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"Yes, I still think people are confusing the term Europe with European Union- and now shows it’s true colours. It’ll be painful to leave but my take on it after genuinely researching it - not from celebrity sound bytes- is it’s just a layer of unnecessary government removed. Now't wrong with partnerships with European countries. It is the European Union we need to be rid of... " | |||
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There should be a second referendum on the deal and whether we should leave or not. Brexit is a total fail, the worst decision of the last 100 years at least. | |||
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"Yes - welcome to the politics region.
There should be a second referendum on the deal and whether we should leave or not. Brexit is a total fail, the worst decision of the last 100 years at least."We have already had a referendum, second, third or fourth is not needed, we are heading OUT.... | |||
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"Exactly- rename EU say the Union of socialist republics or USSR, and you’re nearly there" Provided there "the dumbest thing you could say" then yes, I'd agree with you. | |||
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"Yes - welcome to the politics region.
There should be a second referendum on the deal and whether we should leave or not. Brexit is a total fail, the worst decision of the last 100 years at least." think ppl will only realise how bad a decision it is when the tories bankrupt the country,i think there will be riots on the streets within a cpl yrs | |||
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"Yes - welcome to the politics region.
There should be a second referendum on the deal and whether we should leave or not. Brexit is a total fail, the worst decision of the last 100 years at least.
think ppl will only realise how bad a decision it is when the tories bankrupt the country,i think there will be riots on the streets within a cpl yrs "Really, why??? We have the Police who will keep order... | |||
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"Yes - welcome to the politics region.
There should be a second referendum on the deal and whether we should leave or not. Brexit is a total fail, the worst decision of the last 100 years at least.
think ppl will only realise how bad a decision it is when the tories bankrupt the country,i think there will be riots on the streets within a cpl yrs "i think people will find another fall guy. Human nature doesn’t tend to lend itself to owning mistakes. | |||
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"This country will develop when we have shaken off the shackles of the European Union..." which shackles in particular ? | |||
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"This country will develop when we have shaken off the shackles of the European Union...which shackles in particular ?" The "European Union" rules that prevent our country from making it's own treaties...as a start. | |||
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"This country will develop when we have shaken off the shackles of the European Union...which shackles in particular ? The "European Union" rules that prevent our country from making it's own treaties...as a start. " it will be interesting to see if the treaties we make offset those we lose from being part of a greater negotiating group ... especially as our negotiating teams appear less than stellar ... | |||
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"This country will develop when we have shaken off the shackles of the European Union...which shackles in particular ? The "European Union" rules that prevent our country from making it's own treaties...as a start. it will be interesting to see if the treaties we make offset those we lose from being part of a greater negotiating group ... especially as our negotiating teams appear less than stellar ..." We are bound to do better when we outwith the European Union. It is a dead weight..... | |||
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"Yes - welcome to the politics region.
There should be a second referendum on the deal and whether we should leave or not. Brexit is a total fail, the worst decision of the last 100 years at least.
think ppl will only realise how bad a decision it is when the tories bankrupt the country,i think there will be riots on the streets within a cpl yrs
Really, why??? We have the Police who will keep order..."The answer is in my post thousands of jobs will be lost because they wont get the trade deals they want they will bankrupt the country,hey but they will be ok with all their money stuck away in tax havens it will be me and you the normal guys working class who will suffer | |||
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"This country will develop when we have shaken off the shackles of the European Union...which shackles in particular ? The "European Union" rules that prevent our country from making it's own treaties...as a start. it will be interesting to see if the treaties we make offset those we lose from being part of a greater negotiating group ... especially as our negotiating teams appear less than stellar ... We are bound to do better when we outwith the European Union. It is a dead weight....." im not sure which treaties you see as being so adversely stacked that will we do better on. And how that will weigh up with losing out on the freedoms of the Eu market. It all feels like the apprentice episodes where they spend too much time negotiating a 50p discount on a small item at the expense of securing the big item. | |||
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"Yes - welcome to the politics region.
There should be a second referendum on the deal and whether we should leave or not. Brexit is a total fail, the worst decision of the last 100 years at least.
think ppl will only realise how bad a decision it is when the tories bankrupt the country,i think there will be riots on the streets within a cpl yrs
Really, why??? We have the Police who will keep order...
The answer is in my post thousands of jobs will be lost because they wont get the trade deals they want they will bankrupt the country,hey but they will be ok with all their money stuck away in tax havens it will be me and you the normal guys working class who will suffer "I'm slightly hoping that Brexit will be the poisoned chalice that will damage the Tories for a long time to come. If we are out of the EU, then renationalisation can happen. | |||
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"Of course we will have trade deals...... If people want to trade they will. We do not need European beaurocrats to tell us we can trade..." who has claimed that ? There’s the WTO as a fall back. It’s the benefits of the bespoke negotiated deals we have a difference in opinion on. | |||
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"Of course we will have trade deals...... " But will the be equal or superior to the deals the UK would have had access to as an EU member state? No. The answer is no. | |||
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"Of course we will have trade deals...... But will the be equal or superior to the deals the UK would have had access to as an EU member state? No. The answer is no." They will be much superior.... | |||
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"Of course we will have trade deals...... But will the be equal or superior to the deals the UK would have had access to as an EU member state? No. The answer is no. They will be much superior...." No they won't. Plus ca change, plus c'est le meme chose. I have a feeling that Brexit in and of itself will make no difference to the average wage-slave. | |||
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"Of course we will have trade deals...... But will the be equal or superior to the deals the UK would have had access to as an EU member state? No. The answer is no. They will be much superior...." better than free ! | |||
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"Of course we will have trade deals...... If people want to trade they will. We do not need European beaurocrats to tell us we can trade..." You are the very caricature of Mr Brexit. | |||
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"Of course we will have trade deals...... But will the be equal or superior to the deals the UK would have had access to as an EU member state? No. The answer is no. They will be much superior...." You might want to explain that one. | |||
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"I voted remain ...but now I would vote leave .....leave the rest to fight each other and break up the eu asap" serious question. Why did you vote remain in the first place, what has created the swing in the other direction, and why do you think the rest are going to fight ? | |||
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"I voted remain ...but now I would vote leave .....leave the rest to fight each other and break up the eu asapserious question. Why did you vote remain in the first place, what has created the swing in the other direction, and why do you think the rest are going to fight ?" I can't speak for them, but I'm the same - I voted remain as I'm anti EU because I'm left wing and European Federalism is something, therefore I'm opposed to. I voted remain because I was terrified of what would happen if we let the tories get their hands on the country, unfettered by the EU. I now think Brexit will knock the Tories back for a long time, and would allow subsequent Labour governments to renationalise, unhindered by the EU. | |||
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"Of course we will have trade deals...... But will the be equal or superior to the deals the UK would have had access to as an EU member state? No. The answer is no. They will be much superior.... You might want to explain that one." This will be interesting | |||
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"Yes - welcome to the politics region.
There should be a second referendum on the deal and whether we should leave or not. Brexit is a total fail, the worst decision of the last 100 years at least."Yes let’s vote again because you lot all lost. It’s a joke take it like a man and accept it | |||
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"Of course we will have trade deals...... If people want to trade they will. We do not need European beaurocrats to tell us we can trade..." All that will happen is a 3 to 5% duty on imports and we will do the same back | |||
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"Yes - welcome to the politics region.
There should be a second referendum on the deal and whether we should leave or not. Brexit is a total fail, the worst decision of the last 100 years at least.
Yes let’s vote again because you lot all lost. It’s a joke take it like a man and accept it"If you can't see why losing a vote 49-51% will cause lasting arguments, then you are a moron. Some Brexiteers seem to talk about the result like it was a massive landslide, when it was the tiniest of victories.... | |||
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"A lot of people seem to conflate the Tories with Brexit and leaving. Seem to forget the official Tory/coalition line leading up to the referendum was to remain! Cameron, Clegg, Osbourne, May....all remainers. It was the people...the electorate who (rightly or wrongly) voted to leave. In the 2017 election NOTH of the main parties campaigned on the promise of “carrying out the will of the people” and, therefore brexiting! Only the Lib Dems and SNP campaigned to remain. Labour and Tories BOTH increased their total vote...Lib Dems and SNP both lost significant votes and seats. I agree that the Tiries are a total shower....I also see labour are equally confused/split and possibly even worse option. To blame one or the other or both for Brexit is just plain dumb. Whoever was/is/will be in power the result (good or bad) is/will be the same!" I agree that both the main parties are split on Brexit. It'll tear the party in charge when it happens apart - in fact, it already is doing. Happy days.  | |||
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"A lot of people seem to conflate the Tories with Brexit and leaving. Seem to forget the official Tory/coalition line leading up to the referendum was to remain! Cameron, Clegg, Osbourne, May....all remainers. It was the people...the electorate who (rightly or wrongly) voted to leave. In the 2017 election NOTH of the main parties campaigned on the promise of “carrying out the will of the people” and, therefore brexiting! Only the Lib Dems and SNP campaigned to remain. Labour and Tories BOTH increased their total vote...Lib Dems and SNP both lost significant votes and seats. I agree that the Tiries are a total shower....I also see labour are equally confused/split and possibly even worse option. To blame one or the other or both for Brexit is just plain dumb. Whoever was/is/will be in power the result (good or bad) is/will be the same! I agree that both the main parties are split on Brexit. It'll tear the party in charge when it happens apart - in fact, it already is doing. Happy days. "Athough, were Brexit not the poisoned chalice I think it is, I'd probably rather Kier Starmer than David Davis. | |||
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"Would u still vote brexit if u could and would you vote brexit if you didnt I still would" Voted Leave last time and would do so again if there was another referendum. There won't be another referendum though, it's just delusional wishful thinking from remainers. | |||
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"Of course we will have trade deals...... If people want to trade they will. We do not need European beaurocrats to tell us we can trade... All that will happen is a 3 to 5% duty on imports and we will do the same back" Indeed, a duty that is so trivial, you'd wonder why nations even bother with trade deals and trading blocs. Such a mystery... | |||
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"Of course we will have trade deals...... But will the be equal or superior to the deals the UK would have had access to as an EU member state? No. The answer is no. They will be much superior...." Now we know why the brexit vote won | |||
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"Would u still vote brexit if u could and would you vote brexit if you didnt I still would" | |||
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"Yes - welcome to the politics region.
There should be a second referendum on the deal and whether we should leave or not. Brexit is a total fail, the worst decision of the last 100 years at least.
We have already had a referendum, second, third or fourth is not needed, we are heading OUT...."We don't know the deal yet. It would be stupid to continue if the terms are worse than staying. | |||
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"Of course we will have trade deals...... If people want to trade they will. We do not need European beaurocrats to tell us we can trade... All that will happen is a 3 to 5% duty on imports and we will do the same back" You should make yourself available to the Japanese and Canadian Governments. They have spent years negotiating an FTA with the EU that is not even half as good as the single market but they believed 4-5 years negotiation for a simple FTA was worth it. You seem to be a groundbreaker - you could be earning £millions. What a guy ! | |||
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"Would u still vote brexit if u could and would you vote brexit if you didnt I still would Voted Leave last time and would do so again if there was another referendum. There won't be another referendum though, it's just delusional wishful thinking from remainers. " Did you read in the telegraph the new cabinet office minister saying we might rejoin again in 10 years?  | |||
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"Would u still vote brexit if u could and would you vote brexit if you didnt I still would Voted Leave last time and would do so again if there was another referendum. There won't be another referendum though, it's just delusional wishful thinking from remainers. Did you read in the telegraph the new cabinet office minister saying we might rejoin again in 10 years? "Yes I saw that story, it was David Liddington made the comment. Prime Minister Theresa May has since rejected Liddington's comments though, and said the decision to Leave the EU will be a once in a generation decision. David Liddington can consider himself well and truly slapped down by the Prime Minister. | |||
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"Would u still vote brexit if u could and would you vote brexit if you didnt I still would Voted Leave last time and would do so again if there was another referendum. There won't be another referendum though, it's just delusional wishful thinking from remainers. Did you read in the telegraph the new cabinet office minister saying we might rejoin again in 10 years?
Yes I saw that story, it was David Liddington made the comment. Prime Minister Theresa May has since rejected Liddington's comments though, and said the decision to Leave the EU will be a once in a generation decision. David Liddington can consider himself well and truly slapped down by the Prime Minister. "How long is a generation? The SNP think it's about 4 years! It seems as though you, and the PM don't grasp parliamentary sovereignty. There is nothing to stop parliament taking us back into the EU. In fact Justine Greening was saying exactly the same earlier in the week. | |||
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"Would u still vote brexit if u could and would you vote brexit if you didnt I still would Voted Leave last time and would do so again if there was another referendum. There won't be another referendum though, it's just delusional wishful thinking from remainers. " See that is exactly the point, remainers live in lala land, they still think and hope they will get another referendum sad life the lead | |||
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"This country will develop when we have shaken off the shackles of the European Union...which shackles in particular ? The "European Union" rules that prevent our country from making it's own treaties...as a start. " Can you provide any rules that inhibit your freedom on a daily basis? | |||
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"Would u still vote brexit if u could and would you vote brexit if you didnt I still would Voted Leave last time and would do so again if there was another referendum. There won't be another referendum though, it's just delusional wishful thinking from remainers. See that is exactly the point, remainers live in lala land, they still think and hope they will get another referendum sad life the lead" Think the SSD bit is believing we will get a better deal out than in, and believing that free individual unicorns are going to happen. | |||
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"Would u still vote brexit if u could and would you vote brexit if you didnt I still would Voted Leave last time and would do so again if there was another referendum. There won't be another referendum though, it's just delusional wishful thinking from remainers. See that is exactly the point, remainers live in lala land, they still think and hope they will get another referendum sad life the lead" So Brexiters weren't living in lala land wishing for this referendum? Or seeing as you are an anti-unionist, Scotland breaking away from the rest of the UK? | |||
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"Would u still vote brexit if u could and would you vote brexit if you didnt I still would Voted Leave last time and would do so again if there was another referendum. There won't be another referendum though, it's just delusional wishful thinking from remainers. Did you read in the telegraph the new cabinet office minister saying we might rejoin again in 10 years?
Yes I saw that story, it was David Liddington made the comment. Prime Minister Theresa May has since rejected Liddington's comments though, and said the decision to Leave the EU will be a once in a generation decision. David Liddington can consider himself well and truly slapped down by the Prime Minister.
How long is a generation? The SNP think it's about 4 years!
It seems as though you, and the PM don't grasp parliamentary sovereignty. There is nothing to stop parliament taking us back into the EU. In fact Justine Greening was saying exactly the same earlier in the week. "Justine Greening who just got the sack as Education secretary in the cabinet reshuffle! What a joke. Her comments Smacks of sour grapes to me. | |||
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"I voted Leave in the referendum. Now I would prefer us to be in the forefront of an EU that is determined on reform and change." The EU is changing but in completely the opposite direction to what the UK wanted. The EU has made its intentions clear to be more Federalist, more centralisation of power, with more countries joining and the beginning of an EU army. | |||
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"I voted Leave in the referendum. Now I would prefer us to be in the forefront of an EU that is determined on reform and change. The EU is changing but in completely the opposite direction to what the UK wanted. The EU has made its intentions clear to be more Federalist, more centralisation of power, with more countries joining and the beginning of an EU army. " That's not what Macron and Merkel are thinking! | |||
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"I voted Leave in the referendum. Now I would prefer us to be in the forefront of an EU that is determined on reform and change. The EU is changing but in completely the opposite direction to what the UK wanted. The EU has made its intentions clear to be more Federalist, more centralisation of power, with more countries joining and the beginning of an EU army. " Being a major part of an EU Army would have done wonders for our Country and Armed forces. | |||
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"I voted Leave in the referendum. Now I would prefer us to be in the forefront of an EU that is determined on reform and change." To much money at stake for them wanting to change. Look at the pay structure and tax for the Eurocrats and this tells you | |||
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"I voted Leave in the referendum. Now I would prefer us to be in the forefront of an EU that is determined on reform and change. To much money at stake for them wanting to change. Look at the pay structure and tax for the Eurocrats and this tells you" which bits are *too* much ? | |||
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"I voted Leave in the referendum. Now I would prefer us to be in the forefront of an EU that is determined on reform and change. To much money at stake for them wanting to change. Look at the pay structure and tax for the Eurocrats and this tells youwhich bits are *too* much ?" The bits that the Daily Fail tell him | |||
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"I voted Leave in the referendum. Now I would prefer us to be in the forefront of an EU that is determined on reform and change. The EU is changing but in completely the opposite direction to what the UK wanted. The EU has made its intentions clear to be more Federalist, more centralisation of power, with more countries joining and the beginning of an EU army. Being a major part of an EU Army would have done wonders for our Country and Armed forces." I don't think so an EU army will just be a poor man's NATO. For military cooperation NATO is the organisation to be a part of. I really wouldn't want our armed forces to be at the beck and call of clowns like Juncker and Tusk. | |||
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"Of course we will have trade deals...... If people want to trade they will. We do not need European beaurocrats to tell us we can trade... All that will happen is a 3 to 5% duty on imports and we will do the same back" Great. So our exports to our biggest trading partner will become 3-5% more expensive to them and less competitive. And the surplus of goods that we import from the EU will be 3-5% more expensive for us to buy. Result! Good grief. -Matt | |||
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"Would u still vote brexit if u could and would you vote brexit if you didnt I still would Voted Leave last time and would do so again if there was another referendum. There won't be another referendum though, it's just delusional wishful thinking from remainers. Did you read in the telegraph the new cabinet office minister saying we might rejoin again in 10 years?
Yes I saw that story, it was David Liddington made the comment. Prime Minister Theresa May has since rejected Liddington's comments though, and said the decision to Leave the EU will be a once in a generation decision. David Liddington can consider himself well and truly slapped down by the Prime Minister.
How long is a generation? The SNP think it's about 4 years!
It seems as though you, and the PM don't grasp parliamentary sovereignty. There is nothing to stop parliament taking us back into the EU. In fact Justine Greening was saying exactly the same earlier in the week.
Justine Greening who just got the sack as Education secretary in the cabinet reshuffle! What a joke. Her comments Smacks of sour grapes to me. "It was reported that she was offered the DWP, but turned it down. Maybe she felt that she couldn't speak freely within the cabinet and wanted to leave to say how shit Brexit is. | |||
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"I voted Leave in the referendum. Now I would prefer us to be in the forefront of an EU that is determined on reform and change. The EU is changing but in completely the opposite direction to what the UK wanted. The EU has made its intentions clear to be more Federalist, more centralisation of power, with more countries joining and the beginning of an EU army. Being a major part of an EU Army would have done wonders for our Country and Armed forces. I don't think so an EU army will just be a poor man's NATO. For military cooperation NATO is the organisation to be a part of. I really wouldn't want our armed forces to be at the beck and call of clowns like Juncker and Tusk. " Oh god, you're not still banging on about this phantom EU army are you? Why do you never say you are scared of NATO, VHRJTF, CJEF or JEF, but are always shitting your pants about an EU Army? | |||
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".... Being a major part of an EU Army would have done wonders for our Country and Armed forces." With Donald Trump being an unreliable partner, the EU “Army” will provide European security irrespective of the drifting and musings of the US Commander-In-Chief. He himself has questioned NATO and so it is hardly surprising that European countries would want to make contingencies. | |||
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"Of course we will have trade deals...... If people want to trade they will. We do not need European beaurocrats to tell us we can trade... All that will happen is a 3 to 5% duty on imports and we will do the same back Great. So our exports to our biggest trading partner will become 3-5% more expensive to them and less competitive. And the surplus of goods that we import from the EU will be 3-5% more expensive for us to buy. Result! Good grief. -Matt" Not 3 to 5% more expensive to them as the drop in the value of the pound has already cancelled out the tariff increase. Our exports have already become much more competitive as a direct result of Brexit. So when you say "Result!" yes it really is a great "Result!" with non of the intended sarcasm linked to your post. | |||
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"I voted Leave in the referendum. Now I would prefer us to be in the forefront of an EU that is determined on reform and change. The EU is changing but in completely the opposite direction to what the UK wanted. The EU has made its intentions clear to be more Federalist, more centralisation of power, with more countries joining and the beginning of an EU army. Being a major part of an EU Army would have done wonders for our Country and Armed forces. I don't think so an EU army will just be a poor man's NATO. For military cooperation NATO is the organisation to be a part of. I really wouldn't want our armed forces to be at the beck and call of clowns like Juncker and Tusk. " and who would "pay" for this EU army, majority of the EU countries do not pay their way with NATO, never mind another EU army. | |||
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"I voted Leave in the referendum. Now I would prefer us to be in the forefront of an EU that is determined on reform and change. The EU is changing but in completely the opposite direction to what the UK wanted. The EU has made its intentions clear to be more Federalist, more centralisation of power, with more countries joining and the beginning of an EU army. Being a major part of an EU Army would have done wonders for our Country and Armed forces. I don't think so an EU army will just be a poor man's NATO. For military cooperation NATO is the organisation to be a part of. I really wouldn't want our armed forces to be at the beck and call of clowns like Juncker and Tusk. and who would "pay" for this EU army, majority of the EU countries do not pay their way with NATO, never mind another EU army." So you agree with me that this "EU Army" is nothing more than a myth! | |||
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"I voted Leave in the referendum. Now I would prefer us to be in the forefront of an EU that is determined on reform and change. The EU is changing but in completely the opposite direction to what the UK wanted. The EU has made its intentions clear to be more Federalist, more centralisation of power, with more countries joining and the beginning of an EU army. Being a major part of an EU Army would have done wonders for our Country and Armed forces. I don't think so an EU army will just be a poor man's NATO. For military cooperation NATO is the organisation to be a part of. I really wouldn't want our armed forces to be at the beck and call of clowns like Juncker and Tusk. and who would "pay" for this EU army, majority of the EU countries do not pay their way with NATO, never mind another EU army. So you agree with me that this "EU Army" is nothing more than a myth! "Absolutely not, there have been talks about this, so I would not say myth but at the same time, I very much doubt it will happen, especially without the UK and thankfully we are separating ties as you know, thanks' to the Great British Public | |||
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"Would u still vote brexit if u could and would you vote brexit if you didnt I still would" I'd vote brexit every time | |||
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"I voted Leave in the referendum. Now I would prefer us to be in the forefront of an EU that is determined on reform and change. The EU is changing but in completely the opposite direction to what the UK wanted. The EU has made its intentions clear to be more Federalist, more centralisation of power, with more countries joining and the beginning of an EU army. Being a major part of an EU Army would have done wonders for our Country and Armed forces. I don't think so an EU army will just be a poor man's NATO. For military cooperation NATO is the organisation to be a part of. I really wouldn't want our armed forces to be at the beck and call of clowns like Juncker and Tusk. and who would "pay" for this EU army, majority of the EU countries do not pay their way with NATO, never mind another EU army. So you agree with me that this "EU Army" is nothing more than a myth!
Absolutely not, there have been talks about this, so I would not say myth
but at the same time, I very much doubt it will happen, especially without the UK and thankfully we are separating ties as you know, thanks' to the Great British Public
"But there are other things that are very real, and happening, like the JEF and CJEF that never get a mention on here. Why is that? | |||
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"I voted Leave in the referendum. Now I would prefer us to be in the forefront of an EU that is determined on reform and change. The EU is changing but in completely the opposite direction to what the UK wanted. The EU has made its intentions clear to be more Federalist, more centralisation of power, with more countries joining and the beginning of an EU army. Being a major part of an EU Army would have done wonders for our Country and Armed forces. I don't think so an EU army will just be a poor man's NATO. For military cooperation NATO is the organisation to be a part of. I really wouldn't want our armed forces to be at the beck and call of clowns like Juncker and Tusk. and who would "pay" for this EU army, majority of the EU countries do not pay their way with NATO, never mind another EU army. So you agree with me that this "EU Army" is nothing more than a myth!
Absolutely not, there have been talks about this, so I would not say myth
but at the same time, I very much doubt it will happen, especially without the UK and thankfully we are separating ties as you know, thanks' to the Great British Public
But there are other things that are very real, and happening, like the JEF and CJEF that never get a mention on here. Why is that? "If you are talking about a united, federal and democratic Europe, then another good reason we as the UK have decided to leave | |||
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"I voted Leave in the referendum. Now I would prefer us to be in the forefront of an EU that is determined on reform and change. The EU is changing but in completely the opposite direction to what the UK wanted. The EU has made its intentions clear to be more Federalist, more centralisation of power, with more countries joining and the beginning of an EU army. Being a major part of an EU Army would have done wonders for our Country and Armed forces. I don't think so an EU army will just be a poor man's NATO. For military cooperation NATO is the organisation to be a part of. I really wouldn't want our armed forces to be at the beck and call of clowns like Juncker and Tusk. and who would "pay" for this EU army, majority of the EU countries do not pay their way with NATO, never mind another EU army. So you agree with me that this "EU Army" is nothing more than a myth!
Absolutely not, there have been talks about this, so I would not say myth
but at the same time, I very much doubt it will happen, especially without the UK and thankfully we are separating ties as you know, thanks' to the Great British Public
But there are other things that are very real, and happening, like the JEF and CJEF that never get a mention on here. Why is that?
If you are talking about a united, federal and democratic Europe, then another good reason we as the UK have decided to leave"And theres me thinking you like the United States lol...you sound ridiculous haha | |||
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"I voted Leave in the referendum. Now I would prefer us to be in the forefront of an EU that is determined on reform and change. The EU is changing but in completely the opposite direction to what the UK wanted. The EU has made its intentions clear to be more Federalist, more centralisation of power, with more countries joining and the beginning of an EU army. Being a major part of an EU Army would have done wonders for our Country and Armed forces. I don't think so an EU army will just be a poor man's NATO. For military cooperation NATO is the organisation to be a part of. I really wouldn't want our armed forces to be at the beck and call of clowns like Juncker and Tusk. and who would "pay" for this EU army, majority of the EU countries do not pay their way with NATO, never mind another EU army. So you agree with me that this "EU Army" is nothing more than a myth!
Absolutely not, there have been talks about this, so I would not say myth
but at the same time, I very much doubt it will happen, especially without the UK and thankfully we are separating ties as you know, thanks' to the Great British Public
But there are other things that are very real, and happening, like the JEF and CJEF that never get a mention on here. Why is that?
If you are talking about a united, federal and democratic Europe, then another good reason we as the UK have decided to leave
And theres me thinking you like the United States lol...you sound ridiculous haha "The great USA, and shithole EU are two totally different issues, of which I join all Brits in rejoicing that we are getting out | |||
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"I voted Leave in the referendum. Now I would prefer us to be in the forefront of an EU that is determined on reform and change. The EU is changing but in completely the opposite direction to what the UK wanted. The EU has made its intentions clear to be more Federalist, more centralisation of power, with more countries joining and the beginning of an EU army. Being a major part of an EU Army would have done wonders for our Country and Armed forces. I don't think so an EU army will just be a poor man's NATO. For military cooperation NATO is the organisation to be a part of. I really wouldn't want our armed forces to be at the beck and call of clowns like Juncker and Tusk. and who would "pay" for this EU army, majority of the EU countries do not pay their way with NATO, never mind another EU army. So you agree with me that this "EU Army" is nothing more than a myth!
Absolutely not, there have been talks about this, so I would not say myth
but at the same time, I very much doubt it will happen, especially without the UK and thankfully we are separating ties as you know, thanks' to the Great British Public
But there are other things that are very real, and happening, like the JEF and CJEF that never get a mention on here. Why is that?
If you are talking about a united, federal and democratic Europe, then another good reason we as the UK have decided to leave
And theres me thinking you like the United States lol...you sound ridiculous haha
The great USA, and shithole EU are two totally different issues, of which I join all Brits in rejoicing that we are getting out"But the EU is based on the United States model of government lol....how foolish are you | |||
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"We do not need to be in the EU.... OUT, OUT.. !!" So, about why you think that the UK will be capable of negotiating "much superior" trade deal than the one's it would have access to by virtue of being in the EU? Any ideas there, champ? | |||
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"I voted Leave in the referendum. Now I would prefer us to be in the forefront of an EU that is determined on reform and change. The EU is changing but in completely the opposite direction to what the UK wanted. The EU has made its intentions clear to be more Federalist, more centralisation of power, with more countries joining and the beginning of an EU army. Which, of course, it couldn't do without another treaty, the ratification of which needs to be unanimous so the fucking stupid myth you keep peddling about the UK being dragged into a more Federalist EU against its wishes only makes sense if you don't know a thing about the EU." It's no myth, I suggest you go listen to or read Jean Claude Junckers state of the Union address speech last year, the intentions for the future direction of the EU couldn't have been made clearer! | |||
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"I voted Leave in the referendum. Now I would prefer us to be in the forefront of an EU that is determined on reform and change. The EU is changing but in completely the opposite direction to what the UK wanted. The EU has made its intentions clear to be more Federalist, more centralisation of power, with more countries joining and the beginning of an EU army. Which, of course, it couldn't do without another treaty, the ratification of which needs to be unanimous so the fucking stupid myth you keep peddling about the UK being dragged into a more Federalist EU against its wishes only makes sense if you don't know a thing about the EU. It's no myth, I suggest you go listen to or read Jean Claude Junckers state of the Union address speech last year, the intentions for the future direction of the EU couldn't have been made clearer!" i disagree. You’ve taken two lines from the speech and read your own intentions into it. Now I’m not saying it is not his intention. But I would not say it is clear. Tbh having reread the speech I’m struggling to see the complete opposite direction they are going. From selective free trade. To controlling foreign investment in infrastructure. To cyber controls. To fighting terrorism. Indeed if I were to replace EU with UK and posted it here I suspect I’d have a tour of applause and land of hope and glory played ! | |||
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"I voted Leave in the referendum. Now I would prefer us to be in the forefront of an EU that is determined on reform and change. The EU is changing but in completely the opposite direction to what the UK wanted. The EU has made its intentions clear to be more Federalist, more centralisation of power, with more countries joining and the beginning of an EU army. Which, of course, it couldn't do without another treaty, the ratification of which needs to be unanimous so the fucking stupid myth you keep peddling about the UK being dragged into a more Federalist EU against its wishes only makes sense if you don't know a thing about the EU. It's no myth, I suggest you go listen to or read Jean Claude Junckers state of the Union address speech last year, the intentions for the future direction of the EU couldn't have been made clearer!i disagree. You’ve taken two lines from the speech and read your own intentions into it. Now I’m not saying it is not his intention. But I would not say it is clear. Tbh having reread the speech I’m struggling to see the complete opposite direction they are going. From selective free trade. To controlling foreign investment in infrastructure. To cyber controls. To fighting terrorism. Indeed if I were to replace EU with UK and posted it here I suspect I’d have a tour of applause and land of hope and glory played !" He mainly makes quotes fit his agenda | |||
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"I voted Leave in the referendum. Now I would prefer us to be in the forefront of an EU that is determined on reform and change. The EU is changing but in completely the opposite direction to what the UK wanted. The EU has made its intentions clear to be more Federalist, more centralisation of power, with more countries joining and the beginning of an EU army. Being a major part of an EU Army would have done wonders for our Country and Armed forces. I don't think so an EU army will just be a poor man's NATO. For military cooperation NATO is the organisation to be a part of. I really wouldn't want our armed forces to be at the beck and call of clowns like Juncker and Tusk. and who would "pay" for this EU army, majority of the EU countries do not pay their way with NATO, never mind another EU army. So you agree with me that this "EU Army" is nothing more than a myth!
Absolutely not, there have been talks about this, so I would not say myth
but at the same time, I very much doubt it will happen, especially without the UK and thankfully we are separating ties as you know, thanks' to the Great British Public
But there are other things that are very real, and happening, like the JEF and CJEF that never get a mention on here. Why is that?
If you are talking about a united, federal and democratic Europe, then another good reason we as the UK have decided to leave"No, I'm not talking about that at all. I'm talking about military alliances. | |||
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"I voted Leave in the referendum. Now I would prefer us to be in the forefront of an EU that is determined on reform and change. The EU is changing but in completely the opposite direction to what the UK wanted. The EU has made its intentions clear to be more Federalist, more centralisation of power, with more countries joining and the beginning of an EU army. Which, of course, it couldn't do without another treaty, the ratification of which needs to be unanimous so the fucking stupid myth you keep peddling about the UK being dragged into a more Federalist EU against its wishes only makes sense if you don't know a thing about the EU. It's no myth, I suggest you go listen to or read Jean Claude Junckers state of the Union address speech last year, the intentions for the future direction of the EU couldn't have been made clearer!" And given that moving to an ever closer Union would require another treaty, the ratification of which needs to be unanimous, how would the UK be dragged into this more Federalist EU against its wishes? | |||
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"I voted Leave in the referendum. Now I would prefer us to be in the forefront of an EU that is determined on reform and change. The EU is changing but in completely the opposite direction to what the UK wanted. The EU has made its intentions clear to be more Federalist, more centralisation of power, with more countries joining and the beginning of an EU army. Which, of course, it couldn't do without another treaty, the ratification of which needs to be unanimous so the fucking stupid myth you keep peddling about the UK being dragged into a more Federalist EU against its wishes only makes sense if you don't know a thing about the EU. It's no myth, I suggest you go listen to or read Jean Claude Junckers state of the Union address speech last year, the intentions for the future direction of the EU couldn't have been made clearer! And given that moving to an ever closer Union would require another treaty, the ratification of which needs to be unanimous, how would the UK be dragged into this more Federalist EU against its wishes?" The UK won't be dragged into it because thankfully we are now well into the process of leaving. Once the UK leaves though then that is where the EU is headed. | |||
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"I voted Leave in the referendum. Now I would prefer us to be in the forefront of an EU that is determined on reform and change. The EU is changing but in completely the opposite direction to what the UK wanted. The EU has made its intentions clear to be more Federalist, more centralisation of power, with more countries joining and the beginning of an EU army. Which, of course, it couldn't do without another treaty, the ratification of which needs to be unanimous so the fucking stupid myth you keep peddling about the UK being dragged into a more Federalist EU against its wishes only makes sense if you don't know a thing about the EU. It's no myth, I suggest you go listen to or read Jean Claude Junckers state of the Union address speech last year, the intentions for the future direction of the EU couldn't have been made clearer! And given that moving to an ever closer Union would require another treaty, the ratification of which needs to be unanimous, how would the UK be dragged into this more Federalist EU against its wishes? The UK won't be dragged into it because thankfully we are now well into the process of leaving. Once the UK leaves though then that is where the EU is headed." Not the question you were asked. How would the UK be dragged into this more Federalist EU against its wishes. | |||
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"Yes - welcome to the politics region.
There should be a second referendum on the deal and whether we should leave or not. Brexit is a total fail, the worst decision of the last 100 years at least.
We have already had a referendum, second, third or fourth is not needed, we are heading OUT...."Mr Farage likes the idea..... ;) Sure you'll win again? Or is the majority the leave vote had so small just like your bollocks, that you dont have the nerve to risk it? | |||
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"I voted Leave in the referendum. Now I would prefer us to be in the forefront of an EU that is determined on reform and change. The EU is changing but in completely the opposite direction to what the UK wanted. The EU has made its intentions clear to be more Federalist, more centralisation of power, with more countries joining and the beginning of an EU army. Which, of course, it couldn't do without another treaty, the ratification of which needs to be unanimous so the fucking stupid myth you keep peddling about the UK being dragged into a more Federalist EU against its wishes only makes sense if you don't know a thing about the EU. It's no myth, I suggest you go listen to or read Jean Claude Junckers state of the Union address speech last year, the intentions for the future direction of the EU couldn't have been made clearer!" Mr Junker isnt the EU though. One member state votes against his agenda and that ship is sunk. | |||
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"I voted Leave in the referendum. Now I would prefer us to be in the forefront of an EU that is determined on reform and change. The EU is changing but in completely the opposite direction to what the UK wanted. The EU has made its intentions clear to be more Federalist, more centralisation of power, with more countries joining and the beginning of an EU army. " No junker and his 'wing' of the EU have pitched that idea, most national leaders arent going to say yes to that without treaties and legislation being proposed to examine. Stop making people out to be as foolhearty as you wish them to be? | |||
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"I voted Leave in the referendum. Now I would prefer us to be in the forefront of an EU that is determined on reform and change. The EU is changing but in completely the opposite direction to what the UK wanted. The EU has made its intentions clear to be more Federalist, more centralisation of power, with more countries joining and the beginning of an EU army. Which, of course, it couldn't do without another treaty, the ratification of which needs to be unanimous so the fucking stupid myth you keep peddling about the UK being dragged into a more Federalist EU against its wishes only makes sense if you don't know a thing about the EU. It's no myth, I suggest you go listen to or read Jean Claude Junckers state of the Union address speech last year, the intentions for the future direction of the EU couldn't have been made clearer! Mr Junker isnt the EU though. One member state votes against his agenda and that ship is sunk. " Ok look at Martin Schultz recent comments about a Federal EU/United States of Europe. Martin Schultz the former EU commissioner and now the man Angela Merkel has just done a deal with to form a coalition in Germany. | |||
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"I voted Leave in the referendum. Now I would prefer us to be in the forefront of an EU that is determined on reform and change. The EU is changing but in completely the opposite direction to what the UK wanted. The EU has made its intentions clear to be more Federalist, more centralisation of power, with more countries joining and the beginning of an EU army. Which, of course, it couldn't do without another treaty, the ratification of which needs to be unanimous so the fucking stupid myth you keep peddling about the UK being dragged into a more Federalist EU against its wishes only makes sense if you don't know a thing about the EU. It's no myth, I suggest you go listen to or read Jean Claude Junckers state of the Union address speech last year, the intentions for the future direction of the EU couldn't have been made clearer! Mr Junker isnt the EU though. One member state votes against his agenda and that ship is sunk. Ok look at Martin Schultz recent comments about a Federal EU/United States of Europe. Martin Schultz the former EU commissioner and now the man Angela Merkel has just done a deal with to form a coalition in Germany. " 2 politician's from germany...so one country Try harder I want atleast 10 examples from seperate member states, atleast one third of countries with some politician in power might lend validity to your statement | |||
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"only one country wants to run the eu ...I do believe they have tried to do this a couple of times before...x" cant. Tell. If. Serious. | |||
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"I voted Leave in the referendum. Now I would prefer us to be in the forefront of an EU that is determined on reform and change. The EU is changing but in completely the opposite direction to what the UK wanted. The EU has made its intentions clear to be more Federalist, more centralisation of power, with more countries joining and the beginning of an EU army. Which, of course, it couldn't do without another treaty, the ratification of which needs to be unanimous so the fucking stupid myth you keep peddling about the UK being dragged into a more Federalist EU against its wishes only makes sense if you don't know a thing about the EU. It's no myth, I suggest you go listen to or read Jean Claude Junckers state of the Union address speech last year, the intentions for the future direction of the EU couldn't have been made clearer! And given that moving to an ever closer Union would require another treaty, the ratification of which needs to be unanimous, how would the UK be dragged into this more Federalist EU against its wishes? The UK won't be dragged into it because thankfully we are now well into the process of leaving. Once the UK leaves though then that is where the EU is headed." Unless we leave for 10 years, then rejoin without having had a say in any of the treaties, oh that would rub you up the wrong way! | |||
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"Remember before the referendum on brexit, you all said it would never happen; seems you are all still full of shit today "But is it what we were led to believe it would be? Is it what we voted for? Will the final final outcome be the best for the country? | |||
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"Remember before the referendum on brexit, you all said it would never happen; seems you are all still full of shit today "I think lots of people said that they didn't want it to happen, rather than it wouldn't happen. What do you think of the Scottish government's assessment that Brexit will cost £12bn a year to the people of Scotland? Which comes first for you? Love of Scotland or hatred of the EU? | |||
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"Remember before the referendum on brexit, you all said it would never happen; seems you are all still full of shit today
I think lots of people said that they didn't want it to happen, rather than it wouldn't happen.
What do you think of the Scottish government's assessment that Brexit will cost £12bn a year to the people of Scotland?
Which comes first for you? Love of Scotland or hatred of the EU?"I don't have a hatred for the EU, just some of the people in it snp lost my vote and one of the reasons was their love of the EU, you know the other reasons | |||
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"So the French president has said on the Andrew Marr show he knows the French people would vote to leave the EU thats why he will never ever give them a referendum . thats democracy for you . when people see the light they shut the door." Except he never said that but, hey-ho, what's the truth matter to a BREXITer. | |||
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"Remember before the referendum on brexit, you all said it would never happen; seems you are all still full of shit today "Said it would never happen in the manner some on here were and still are claiming, given how its going I see no reason to doubt that. Big fudge to quell the people.. | |||
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"So the French president has said on the Andrew Marr show he knows the French people would vote to leave the EU thats why he will never ever give them a referendum . thats democracy for you . when people see the light they shut the door." Lol... you have 'won' the referendum, you don't have to keep lying you know. What Macron said when asked if France would have voted to leave the EU was: "Yes. Probably, in a similar context. But our context was very different, so I don’t want to take any bets. I would have definitely fought to win" “But I think it is a mistake to just ask yes or no when you don’t ask people how to improve the situation and to explain how to improve it. You always take a risk when you ask in a referendum yes or no on a very complicated subject.” I'm not sure how that reality relates to the fantasies you have invented in your head. -Matt | |||
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"But he does think the French public would vote to leave tho " Well if that is what he thought then that is what he probably would have said but, as when asked he didn't actually say that, It's not unreasonable to believe that that is not what he actually thinks at all; is it? | |||
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