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"Yes ,however this is inevitable, you guys had the chance to break away. You chose not to . Suck it up " Things have changed massively since then though. | |||
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"Agreed things have changed, It can not be taken lightly the referendum for independence said stay. This has to be respected through the good the bad , the highs the lows, The Scots have to suck it up n get on with it. Another referendum so soon would be whimsical. Time will tell. I for one don't envisage it happening anytime soon." Can i ask you in what way has the 2014 independence referendum not been respected ? Is Scotland independent right now ? | |||
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"Agreed things have changed, It can not be taken lightly the referendum for independence said stay. This has to be respected through the good the bad , the highs the lows, The Scots have to suck it up n get on with it. Another referendum so soon would be whimsical. Time will tell. I for one don't envisage it happening anytime soon. Can i ask you in what way has the 2014 independence referendum not been respected ? Is Scotland independent right now ? " It was in reply to the message above I didn't attach it, yes it has n as I've said it will for what I think is a while to come. | |||
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"Wasn't one of the key points though being "Vote to stay in the UK was to stay in the EU" ? Now that's fucked up I think it gives the right for a 2nd ref just on that point alone. " No, things don't stand still you can't cherry pick as the months go by. The vote at time was to stay, so that is lock stock n barrel. | |||
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"Now lets get back to clause 11 eh I have given you good reasons as to why people in Scotland are worried about Westminster stripping powers away from Holyrood as its happened before in 2013 read above in my first comment And its interesting when i have raised it in here no one call name a single power Westminster will 100% return to Holyrood and there is no time limit to when they will return powers Also on non devolved powers none of you cam tell me what powers in the great powers bonazana Fluffy Mundell is on about As usual you all seem to trust the Tories word which means fuck all to me they are lying scumbags " Don't know anything about clause whatever.. Santa claus maybe but... I don't trust any Government to any degree what so ever either. | |||
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"Now lets get back to clause 11 eh I have given you good reasons as to why people in Scotland are worried about Westminster stripping powers away from Holyrood as its happened before in 2013 read above in my first comment And its interesting when i have raised it in here no one call name a single power Westminster will 100% return to Holyrood and there is no time limit to when they will return powers Also on non devolved powers none of you cam tell me what powers in the great powers bonazana Fluffy Mundell is on about As usual you all seem to trust the Tories word which means fuck all to me they are lying scumbags " Not a be liver in Tories at all, they are in power n with power they will take as much as they can, governments in power are looking future than next elections, they shift power, borders down here being realigned, So don't think it's just the Scots being had over | |||
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"Wasn't one of the key points though being "Vote to stay in the UK was to stay in the EU" ? Now that's fucked up I think it gives the right for a 2nd ref just on that point alone. No, things don't stand still you can't cherry pick as the months go by. The vote at time was to stay, so that is lock stock n barrel. " Ah right so you think you voted no and you have no right to changed you mind then | |||
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"1. How many ships are being built on the Clyde for the RN? 2. Does Yes Scotland owe £500,000? 3. Would you vote for independence if it would cost Scotland £40bn? 4. Would islanders have an equal voice as mainlanders in an independent Scotland? " Take your owm advice CLCC stick to what the thread is about is that not what you said to me ? Pot and kettle | |||
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"Wasn't one of the key points though being "Vote to stay in the UK was to stay in the EU" ? Now that's fucked up I think it gives the right for a 2nd ref just on that point alone. No, things don't stand still you can't cherry pick as the months go by. The vote at time was to stay, so that is lock stock n barrel. Ah right so you think you voted no and you have no right to changed you mind then " Not at all, not after 5 minutes though. Just because on a whim some don't like the political lads Cape which is constantly on the move. The country would be in n even bigger mess with this fickle outlook you seem to be condoning | |||
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"1. How many ships are being built on the Clyde for the RN? 2. Does Yes Scotland owe £500,000? 3. Would you vote for independence if it would cost Scotland £40bn? 4. Would islanders have an equal voice as mainlanders in an independent Scotland? Take your owm advice CLCC stick to what the thread is about is that not what you said to me ? Pot and kettle " Come on, 4 simple questions | |||
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"1. How many ships are being built on the Clyde for the RN? 2. Does Yes Scotland owe £500,000? 3. Would you vote for independence if it would cost Scotland £40bn? 4. Would islanders have an equal voice as mainlanders in an independent Scotland? Take your owm advice CLCC stick to what the thread is about is that not what you said to me ? Pot and kettle Come on, 4 simple questions " Double standards with you You told me in another thread to to stick what the thread is about now you dont want make your mind up lol So stick to the thread CLCC nothing to say about clause 11 and stripping powers away and that it has been done before ? | |||
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"1. How many ships are being built on the Clyde for the RN? 2. Does Yes Scotland owe £500,000? 3. Would you vote for independence if it would cost Scotland £40bn? 4. Would islanders have an equal voice as mainlanders in an independent Scotland? Take your owm advice CLCC stick to what the thread is about is that not what you said to me ? Pot and kettle Come on, 4 simple questions Double standards with you You told me in another thread to to stick what the thread is about now you dont want make your mind up lol So stick to the thread CLCC nothing to say about clause 11 and stripping powers away and that it has been done before ? " I asked all those questions on the relevant thread, but yiu were too scared to answer | |||
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"With Clause 11 of the EU Withdrawal Bill has gone to the House of Lords unamended is proof enough of that. This is the legislation which enables the very erosion and stripping away of powers from the Scottish Parliament – if there is nothing to prevent it, In 2013 the Scottish Parliament was stripped of a key energy power after a House of Lords amendment was backed by Unionist MPs The Lords amendment to the Energy bill Amendment 54 which removed the Scottish parliament’s powers of renewables obligation in Scotland and there you have it is an unionist parties ganging up to remove powers from the Scottish parliament. Worse still they did so by introducing last min amendments in the unelected Lords rather than having the baws to debate it on the floor of the House of Commons So these are real worrys for Scotland now i dont expect any of you outside of Scotland to understand or care as it wont affect you but believe me people are worried in Scotland that this is a power grab and to strip powers away from Holyrood because well they think anything that the Scottish government are doing well with in Scotland cant be seen to be good and out perform the UK government thats not allowed or it builds the case for independence Also as i said last night to try and make you understand its not always about money with independence its about the right to self govern and have FULL control over all affairs and we in Scotland can hold our elected government to account " Let me guess... you got that from wings, but I am guessing you have absolutely no clue as to what any of this means... I finish work in an hour and I’ll explain why they have done this now... and that it actually isn’t a power grab in the way you are trying to points score | |||
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"With Clause 11 of the EU Withdrawal Bill has gone to the House of Lords unamended is proof enough of that. This is the legislation which enables the very erosion and stripping away of powers from the Scottish Parliament – if there is nothing to prevent it, In 2013 the Scottish Parliament was stripped of a key energy power after a House of Lords amendment was backed by Unionist MPs The Lords amendment to the Energy bill Amendment 54 which removed the Scottish parliament’s powers of renewables obligation in Scotland and there you have it is an unionist parties ganging up to remove powers from the Scottish parliament. Worse still they did so by introducing last min amendments in the unelected Lords rather than having the baws to debate it on the floor of the House of Commons So these are real worrys for Scotland now i dont expect any of you outside of Scotland to understand or care as it wont affect you but believe me people are worried in Scotland that this is a power grab and to strip powers away from Holyrood because well they think anything that the Scottish government are doing well with in Scotland cant be seen to be good and out perform the UK government thats not allowed or it builds the case for independence Also as i said last night to try and make you understand its not always about money with independence its about the right to self govern and have FULL control over all affairs and we in Scotland can hold our elected government to account Let me guess... you got that from wings, but I am guessing you have absolutely no clue as to what any of this means... I finish work in an hour and I’ll explain why they have done this now... and that it actually isn’t a power grab in the way you are trying to points score" Fuck me Hello!!!!!!!! Not everything is to do with Wings over Scotland there is plenty pro indy sites Lmao didnt know Stu i was that good at getting unionists knickers in a twist lol | |||
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"Wasn't one of the key points though being "Vote to stay in the UK was to stay in the EU" ? Now that's fucked up I think it gives the right for a 2nd ref just on that point alone. No, things don't stand still you can't cherry pick as the months go by. The vote at time was to stay, so that is lock stock n barrel. Ah right so you think you voted no and you have no right to changed you mind then Not at all, not after 5 minutes though. Just because on a whim some don't like the political lads Cape which is constantly on the move. The country would be in n even bigger mess with this fickle outlook you seem to be condoning " Which country ? The UK is not a country is a union of countries Just like the EU lol If your gonna defend the UK at least get it right lol | |||
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"Wasn't one of the key points though being "Vote to stay in the UK was to stay in the EU" ? Now that's fucked up I think it gives the right for a 2nd ref just on that point alone. " If Scotland had voted for independence they would still be waiting to join the EU because of the deficit and lack of a national bank. | |||
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"Wasn't one of the key points though being "Vote to stay in the UK was to stay in the EU" ? Now that's fucked up I think it gives the right for a 2nd ref just on that point alone. If Scotland had voted for independence they would still be waiting to join the EU because of the deficit and lack of a national bank." And you know this how ? Were you involved in those talks ? Oh wait there was no talks so you could never know that That is only your opinion | |||
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" Which country ? The UK is not a country is a union of countries Just like the EU lol If your gonna defend the UK at least get it right lol " "Although the United Kingdom, as a sovereign state, is a country, England, Scotland, Wales and, to a lesser degree, Northern Ireland, are also regarded as countries, though they are not sovereign states. Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have devolved self-government." The UK is classed as a Country, one head of state, one Government. England does not have a Head Of State Wales does not have a Head Of State or Government Northern Ireland does not have a Head Of State or Government Scotland does not have a Head Of State or Government All together combined we do have 1 head of state and one Government for the UK, ONE COUNTRY, made up of lesser "countries, which used to be Kingdoms", NOTHING that can be compared to the European Union. | |||
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"Wasn't one of the key points though being "Vote to stay in the UK was to stay in the EU" ? Now that's fucked up I think it gives the right for a 2nd ref just on that point alone. No, things don't stand still you can't cherry pick as the months go by. The vote at time was to stay, so that is lock stock n barrel. Ah right so you think you voted no and you have no right to changed you mind then Not at all, not after 5 minutes though. Just because on a whim some don't like the political lads Cape which is constantly on the move. The country would be in n even bigger mess with this fickle outlook you seem to be condoning Which country ? The UK is not a country is a union of countries Just like the EU lol If your gonna defend the UK at least get it right lol " Now you're splitting hairs , yes the UK. | |||
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"Wasn't one of the key points though being "Vote to stay in the UK was to stay in the EU" ? Now that's fucked up I think it gives the right for a 2nd ref just on that point alone. No, things don't stand still you can't cherry pick as the months go by. The vote at time was to stay, so that is lock stock n barrel. Ah right so you think you voted no and you have no right to changed you mind then Not at all, not after 5 minutes though. Just because on a whim some don't like the political lads Cape which is constantly on the move. The country would be in n even bigger mess with this fickle outlook you seem to be condoning Which country ? The UK is not a country is a union of countries Just like the EU lol If your gonna defend the UK at least get it right lol Now you're splitting hairs , yes the UK." He's splitting no hairs, he's just down right wrong about the UK not being a Country lol | |||
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"Again the UK is only a union of 4 nations thats it its not a damn country. God i never known so many people outside of Scotland so ashamed to call the country they live in a country lol wrap yourself in the union jack all you like but its not a country Scotland is not a region of England " Not at all , a proud Englishman here that lives in the UK. Not consumed by nationalism. | |||
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"Again the UK is only a union of 4 nations thats it its not a damn country. God i never known so many people outside of Scotland so ashamed to call the country they live in a country lol wrap yourself in the union jack all you like but its not a country Scotland is not a region of England " For fucks sake do yourself a favour and read what you type before clicking post... No one said Scotland is a region of England - Nill points there The UK is a Country - Nil points to you again there too The UK is a unique collection of smaller "lesser Countries" joined together to create a larger body that is the UK and the UK is a Country. Did you not attend school ???? or maybe you we're taught by someone blinded with hatred to England so much nothing else is a Country other than Scotland  , lol, Lmfao at you Kinky  | |||
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"Again the UK is only a union of 4 nations thats it its not a damn country. God i never known so many people outside of Scotland so ashamed to call the country they live in a country lol wrap yourself in the union jack all you like but its not a country Scotland is not a region of England For fucks sake do yourself a favour and read what you type before clicking post... No one said Scotland is a region of England - Nill points there The UK is a Country - Nil points to you again there too The UK is a unique collection of smaller "lesser Countries" joined together to create a larger body that is the UK and the UK is a Country. Did you not attend school ???? or maybe you we're taught by someone blinded with hatred to England so much nothing else is a Country other than Scotland , lol, Lmfao at you Kinky "Right do you call England a country or a region ? If you say region are you that ashamed to call England a country ? | |||
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"Again the UK is only a union of 4 nations thats it its not a damn country. God i never known so many people outside of Scotland so ashamed to call the country they live in a country lol wrap yourself in the union jack all you like but its not a country Scotland is not a region of England For fucks sake do yourself a favour and read what you type before clicking post... No one said Scotland is a region of England - Nill points there The UK is a Country - Nil points to you again there too The UK is a unique collection of smaller "lesser Countries" joined together to create a larger body that is the UK and the UK is a Country. Did you not attend school ???? or maybe you we're taught by someone blinded with hatred to England so much nothing else is a Country other than Scotland , lol, Lmfao at you Kinky
Right do you call England a country or a region ? If you say region are you that ashamed to call England a country ? "I've explained this already, do you not read ? Just for you again then. England, Scotland & Wales are Countries to a lesser degree, together they create the Country called The United Kingdom I honestly cannot believe this needs to be explained to an adult  | |||
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"Again the UK is only a union of 4 nations thats it its not a damn country. God i never known so many people outside of Scotland so ashamed to call the country they live in a country lol wrap yourself in the union jack all you like but its not a country Scotland is not a region of England For fucks sake do yourself a favour and read what you type before clicking post... No one said Scotland is a region of England - Nill points there The UK is a Country - Nil points to you again there too The UK is a unique collection of smaller "lesser Countries" joined together to create a larger body that is the UK and the UK is a Country. Did you not attend school ???? or maybe you we're taught by someone blinded with hatred to England so much nothing else is a Country other than Scotland , lol, Lmfao at you Kinky
Right do you call England a country or a region ? If you say region are you that ashamed to call England a country ?
I've explained this already, do you not read ?
Just for you again then.
England, Scotland & Wales are Countries to a lesser degree, together they create the Country called The United Kingdom
I honestly cannot believe this needs to be explained to an adult "Ah right so now your saying they are countries but not countries lmao Wow people on here really are confused about Ruk LOL Speak to CLCC as he thinks England , Scotland , Wales and NI are just regions of the UK do you agree with him ? Also was the UK formed to create one parliament ? | |||
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"Wasn't one of the key points though being "Vote to stay in the UK was to stay in the EU" ? Now that's fucked up I think it gives the right for a 2nd ref just on that point alone. If Scotland had voted for independence they would still be waiting to join the EU because of the deficit and lack of a national bank. And you know this how ? Were you involved in those talks ? Oh wait there was no talks so you could never know that That is only your opinion " The EU rule state there facts !!! No country walks into the EU they must satisfy certain conditions. Unfortunately a blind eye was turned to Greece's lies about their economy so I can only speculate any country being admitted in future will have the full scrutiny applied to them. Scotland would qualify on most parts but still have to have a deficit less than four per cent. Have a central bank. And must join the Euro within a certain time. The UK and countries like Denmark were already members so had an opt out of joining the Euro. Not my rules but the EU s !! | |||
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"Wasn't one of the key points though being "Vote to stay in the UK was to stay in the EU" ? Now that's fucked up I think it gives the right for a 2nd ref just on that point alone. If Scotland had voted for independence they would still be waiting to join the EU because of the deficit and lack of a national bank. And you know this how ? Were you involved in those talks ? Oh wait there was no talks so you could never know that That is only your opinion The EU rule state there facts !!! No country walks into the EU they must satisfy certain conditions. Unfortunately a blind eye was turned to Greece's lies about their economy so I can only speculate any country being admitted in future will have the full scrutiny applied to them. Scotland would qualify on most parts but still have to have a deficit less than four per cent. Have a central bank. And must join the Euro within a certain time. The UK and countries like Denmark were already members so had an opt out of joining the Euro. Not my rules but the EU s !!" Do you understand if there had a been a Yes vote to independence there would have been 2 years of talks before Scotland official became independent ? Do you know how those talks would have went ? | |||
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"Wasn't one of the key points though being "Vote to stay in the UK was to stay in the EU" ? Now that's fucked up I think it gives the right for a 2nd ref just on that point alone. If Scotland had voted for independence they would still be waiting to join the EU because of the deficit and lack of a national bank. And you know this how ? Were you involved in those talks ? Oh wait there was no talks so you could never know that That is only your opinion The EU rule state there facts !!! No country walks into the EU they must satisfy certain conditions. Unfortunately a blind eye was turned to Greece's lies about their economy so I can only speculate any country being admitted in future will have the full scrutiny applied to them. Scotland would qualify on most parts but still have to have a deficit less than four per cent. Have a central bank. And must join the Euro within a certain time. The UK and countries like Denmark were already members so had an opt out of joining the Euro. Not my rules but the EU s !! Do you understand if there had a been a Yes vote to independence there would have been 2 years of talks before Scotland official became independent ? Do you know how those talks would have went ?" Ahem , there wasn't a yes vote. All immaterial. Your going off on a tangent from your post. | |||
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"Wasn't one of the key points though being "Vote to stay in the UK was to stay in the EU" ? Now that's fucked up I think it gives the right for a 2nd ref just on that point alone. If Scotland had voted for independence they would still be waiting to join the EU because of the deficit and lack of a national bank. And you know this how ? Were you involved in those talks ? Oh wait there was no talks so you could never know that That is only your opinion The EU rule state there facts !!! No country walks into the EU they must satisfy certain conditions. Unfortunately a blind eye was turned to Greece's lies about their economy so I can only speculate any country being admitted in future will have the full scrutiny applied to them. Scotland would qualify on most parts but still have to have a deficit less than four per cent. Have a central bank. And must join the Euro within a certain time. The UK and countries like Denmark were already members so had an opt out of joining the Euro. Not my rules but the EU s !! Do you understand if there had a been a Yes vote to independence there would have been 2 years of talks before Scotland official became independent ? Do you know how those talks would have went ? Ahem , there wasn't a yes vote. All immaterial. Your going off on a tangent from your post. " Read above i didnt say this did i ? ''If Scotland had voted for independence'' so i am only answering what he said pay attention | |||
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"Wasn't one of the key points though being "Vote to stay in the UK was to stay in the EU" ? Now that's fucked up I think it gives the right for a 2nd ref just on that point alone. If Scotland had voted for independence they would still be waiting to join the EU because of the deficit and lack of a national bank. And you know this how ? Were you involved in those talks ? Oh wait there was no talks so you could never know that That is only your opinion The EU rule state there facts !!! No country walks into the EU they must satisfy certain conditions. Unfortunately a blind eye was turned to Greece's lies about their economy so I can only speculate any country being admitted in future will have the full scrutiny applied to them. Scotland would qualify on most parts but still have to have a deficit less than four per cent. Have a central bank. And must join the Euro within a certain time. The UK and countries like Denmark were already members so had an opt out of joining the Euro. Not my rules but the EU s !! Do you understand if there had a been a Yes vote to independence there would have been 2 years of talks before Scotland official became independent ? Do you know how those talks would have went ? Ahem , there wasn't a yes vote. All immaterial. Your going off on a tangent from your post. Read above i didnt say this did i ? ''If Scotland had voted for independence'' so i am only answering what he said pay attention " Yes I'm on about the thread. Your opening paragraph. | |||
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"Again the UK is only a union of 4 nations thats it its not a damn country. God i never known so many people outside of Scotland so ashamed to call the country they live in a country lol wrap yourself in the union jack all you like but its not a country Scotland is not a region of England " And the United States is a union of states. The United Kingdom is one, single, united, kingdom! Its one country. We have gone over this before, we have gone over the Montevideo Convention and the definition of what is and isn't a country. But please kinky, do offer us your own, personal definition of what a country is, and we will test it out. This is of course an impossible challenge for kinky, I may as well have asked them to jump over the moon!  | |||
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"Wasn't one of the key points though being "Vote to stay in the UK was to stay in the EU" ? Now that's fucked up I think it gives the right for a 2nd ref just on that point alone. If Scotland had voted for independence they would still be waiting to join the EU because of the deficit and lack of a national bank. And you know this how ? Were you involved in those talks ? Oh wait there was no talks so you could never know that That is only your opinion The EU rule state there facts !!! No country walks into the EU they must satisfy certain conditions. Unfortunately a blind eye was turned to Greece's lies about their economy so I can only speculate any country being admitted in future will have the full scrutiny applied to them. Scotland would qualify on most parts but still have to have a deficit less than four per cent. Have a central bank. And must join the Euro within a certain time. The UK and countries like Denmark were already members so had an opt out of joining the Euro. Not my rules but the EU s !! Do you understand if there had a been a Yes vote to independence there would have been 2 years of talks before Scotland official became independent ? Do you know how those talks would have went ? Ahem , there wasn't a yes vote. All immaterial. Your going off on a tangent from your post. Read above i didnt say this did i ? ''If Scotland had voted for independence'' so i am only answering what he said pay attention Yes I'm on about the thread. Your opening paragraph. " My thread i can talk about what i want. If you would like to start your own threat and talk about what you want your more than welcome but no i wont be gagged on my own thread lol | |||
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"Wasn't one of the key points though being "Vote to stay in the UK was to stay in the EU" ? Now that's fucked up I think it gives the right for a 2nd ref just on that point alone. If Scotland had voted for independence they would still be waiting to join the EU because of the deficit and lack of a national bank. And you know this how ? Were you involved in those talks ? Oh wait there was no talks so you could never know that That is only your opinion The EU rule state there facts !!! No country walks into the EU they must satisfy certain conditions. Unfortunately a blind eye was turned to Greece's lies about their economy so I can only speculate any country being admitted in future will have the full scrutiny applied to them. Scotland would qualify on most parts but still have to have a deficit less than four per cent. Have a central bank. And must join the Euro within a certain time. The UK and countries like Denmark were already members so had an opt out of joining the Euro. Not my rules but the EU s !! Do you understand if there had a been a Yes vote to independence there would have been 2 years of talks before Scotland official became independent ? Do you know how those talks would have went ? Ahem , there wasn't a yes vote. All immaterial. Your going off on a tangent from your post. Read above i didnt say this did i ? ''If Scotland had voted for independence'' so i am only answering what he said pay attention " The only talks that could have been held would have been to separate from the UK. No talks would have been allowed with the EU in the way the UK cannot conduct trade talks with other countries until the separation is agreed. Then Scotland would still have to negotiate enrty into the EU and all the qualifying parts as I listed above would need to be addressed. So if we had left the UK the most likely situation would be Scotland outside the EU. Please remember the snp campaigned not to join the eu when the UK applyed for membership  | |||
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"Again the UK is only a union of 4 nations thats it its not a damn country. God i never known so many people outside of Scotland so ashamed to call the country they live in a country lol wrap yourself in the union jack all you like but its not a country Scotland is not a region of England For fucks sake do yourself a favour and read what you type before clicking post... No one said Scotland is a region of England - Nill points there The UK is a Country - Nil points to you again there too The UK is a unique collection of smaller "lesser Countries" joined together to create a larger body that is the UK and the UK is a Country. Did you not attend school ???? or maybe you we're taught by someone blinded with hatred to England so much nothing else is a Country other than Scotland , lol, Lmfao at you Kinky
Right do you call England a country or a region ? If you say region are you that ashamed to call England a country ?
I've explained this already, do you not read ?
Just for you again then.
England, Scotland & Wales are Countries to a lesser degree, together they create the Country called The United Kingdom
I honestly cannot believe this needs to be explained to an adult
Ah right so now your saying they are countries but not countries lmao
Wow people on here really are confused about Ruk LOL
Speak to CLCC as he thinks England , Scotland , Wales and NI are just regions of the UK do you agree with him ?
Also was the UK formed to create one parliament ? "You LAMO a lot don't you Kinky, is that to try and hide the fact you know NO FACTS about what you're talking about ? Never have I said England, Scotland etc were not any form of Countries so stop lying out of your arse and making bullshit up like you normally do. And you have the face to say "others are confused" It's such basic Geography and basic general knowledge on how the "KingdomS" became one over all Country called The United Kingdom while still being classed as a collection of "Lesser Countries" England, Scotland & Wales There..... DO YOU NEED IT SAYING A G A I N You are either acting bloody stupid or ..... | |||
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"Again the UK is only a union of 4 nations thats it its not a damn country. God i never known so many people outside of Scotland so ashamed to call the country they live in a country lol wrap yourself in the union jack all you like but its not a country Scotland is not a region of England And the United States is a union of states. The United Kingdom is one, single, united, kingdom! Its one country. We have gone over this before, we have gone over the Montevideo Convention and the definition of what is and isn't a country. But please kinky, do offer us your own, personal definition of what a country is, and we will test it out. This is of course an impossible challenge for kinky, I may as well have asked them to jump over the moon! "Ah good , good your hear So do you agree with Andy ? He thinks that Scotland , England , Wales and NI are smaller lesser countries in the UK ? But that cant be CLCC you called them regions which is it ? Lmao | |||
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"Wasn't one of the key points though being "Vote to stay in the UK was to stay in the EU" ? Now that's fucked up I think it gives the right for a 2nd ref just on that point alone. If Scotland had voted for independence they would still be waiting to join the EU because of the deficit and lack of a national bank. And you know this how ? Were you involved in those talks ? Oh wait there was no talks so you could never know that That is only your opinion The EU rule state there facts !!! No country walks into the EU they must satisfy certain conditions. Unfortunately a blind eye was turned to Greece's lies about their economy so I can only speculate any country being admitted in future will have the full scrutiny applied to them. Scotland would qualify on most parts but still have to have a deficit less than four per cent. Have a central bank. And must join the Euro within a certain time. The UK and countries like Denmark were already members so had an opt out of joining the Euro. Not my rules but the EU s !!" Yes those are the EU's rules but even if Scotland met all of the EU's criteria for joining (which they don't) then they would get blocked from joining by Spain using its veto. Spain doesn't want an independent Scotland joining the EU because it would send the wrong message to Catalonia as they see it. Spain would do everything in its power to stop Scotland joining the EU and Spain is already on public record saying they would use their Veto to block Scotland joining the EU (a high ranking Spanish government minister said it on BBC Newsnight during the Scots indy ref in 2014). | |||
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" So do you agree with Andy ? He thinks that Scotland , England , Wales and NI are smaller lesser countries in the UK ? But that cant be CLCC you called them regions which is it ? Lmao" It's down to terminology and how it's being applied at that time. So yes, you could easily and correctly state "England is a region of The United Kingdom" Shite... that;ll get your brain melting now won't it | |||
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"Oh the unionoists are very mixed up today on what do they call the UK lol " Only you Kinky... only you, and you have demonstrated that fact time after time. | |||
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" So do you agree with Andy ? He thinks that Scotland , England , Wales and NI are smaller lesser countries in the UK ? But that cant be CLCC you called them regions which is it ? Lmao It's down to terminology and how it's being applied at that time. So yes, you could easily and correctly state "England is a region of The United Kingdom" Shite... that;ll get your brain melting now won't it "Ok then you wanna go that way what do you class say Cambridgeshire ? EAST Anglia ? They are regions of what country ? | |||
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" So do you agree with Andy ? He thinks that Scotland , England , Wales and NI are smaller lesser countries in the UK ? But that cant be CLCC you called them regions which is it ? Lmao It's down to terminology and how it's being applied at that time. So yes, you could easily and correctly state "England is a region of The United Kingdom" Shite... that;ll get your brain melting now won't it
Ok then you wanna go that way what do you class say Cambridgeshire ? EAST Anglia ?
They are regions of what country ? "It's not a case of "going that way", it's a case of that is how it is, nothing more, nothing less. It's a region of the UK in England. The point you are missing is England, Scotland, Wales do not have world wide recognition as Countries, where as The United Kingdom does | |||
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"Wasn't one of the key points though being "Vote to stay in the UK was to stay in the EU" ? Now that's fucked up I think it gives the right for a 2nd ref just on that point alone. If Scotland had voted for independence they would still be waiting to join the EU because of the deficit and lack of a national bank. And you know this how ? Were you involved in those talks ? Oh wait there was no talks so you could never know that That is only your opinion The EU rule state there facts !!! No country walks into the EU they must satisfy certain conditions. Unfortunately a blind eye was turned to Greece's lies about their economy so I can only speculate any country being admitted in future will have the full scrutiny applied to them. Scotland would qualify on most parts but still have to have a deficit less than four per cent. Have a central bank. And must join the Euro within a certain time. The UK and countries like Denmark were already members so had an opt out of joining the Euro. Not my rules but the EU s !! Do you understand if there had a been a Yes vote to independence there would have been 2 years of talks before Scotland official became independent ? Do you know how those talks would have went ? Ahem , there wasn't a yes vote. All immaterial. Your going off on a tangent from your post. Read above i didnt say this did i ? ''If Scotland had voted for independence'' so i am only answering what he said pay attention The only talks that could have been held would have been to separate from the UK. No talks would have been allowed with the EU in the way the UK cannot conduct trade talks with other countries until the separation is agreed. Then Scotland would still have to negotiate enrty into the EU and all the qualifying parts as I listed above would need to be addressed. So if we had left the UK the most likely situation would be Scotland outside the EU. Please remember the snp campaigned not to join the eu when the UK applyed for membership "Indeed the former SNP deputy leader Jim Sillars campaigned for Brexit during the EU referendum and Jim Sillars joined in campaigning for the Scotland Leave group. Not all the SNP want to remain in the EU no matter how much the OP protests. When you break down the voting patterns in Scotland during the EU referendum it shows many SNP supporters/voter's voted to Leave the EU. | |||
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"Think about it now The two i listed there Cambridgeshire and EAST Anglia are regions of what country ? You claimed the UK is one country yet strange as Cambridgeshire and EAST Anglia are NOT in Scotland lol" No shit Sherlock that's the only thing you've said that's correct. As I said, buy a geography book and knock yourself out, this conversation has stooped to the most stupid uneducated mess I've ever had with someone. | |||
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"I mean come on thats like saying Lanarkshire , Stirlingshire , Aberdeenshire are all regions of England lmao Which there not btw incase anyone gets confused they are regions in the country Scotland " It's only you saying dumb retarded statements Kinky, not me | |||
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"Again the UK is only a union of 4 nations thats it its not a damn country. God i never known so many people outside of Scotland so ashamed to call the country they live in a country lol wrap yourself in the union jack all you like but its not a country Scotland is not a region of England And the United States is a union of states. The United Kingdom is one, single, united, kingdom! Its one country. We have gone over this before, we have gone over the Montevideo Convention and the definition of what is and isn't a country. But please kinky, do offer us your own, personal definition of what a country is, and we will test it out. This is of course an impossible challenge for kinky, I may as well have asked them to jump over the moon!
Ah good , good your hear
So do you agree with Andy ? He thinks that Scotland , England , Wales and NI are smaller lesser countries in the UK ? But that cant be CLCC you called them regions which is it ? Lmao"See, I told you it was impossible for Kinky to give their definition of a country! Hahaha! This is fucking hilarious! | |||
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"Wasn't one of the key points though being "Vote to stay in the UK was to stay in the EU" ? Now that's fucked up I think it gives the right for a 2nd ref just on that point alone. If Scotland had voted for independence they would still be waiting to join the EU because of the deficit and lack of a national bank. And you know this how ? Were you involved in those talks ? Oh wait there was no talks so you could never know that That is only your opinion The EU rule state there facts !!! No country walks into the EU they must satisfy certain conditions. Unfortunately a blind eye was turned to Greece's lies about their economy so I can only speculate any country being admitted in future will have the full scrutiny applied to them. Scotland would qualify on most parts but still have to have a deficit less than four per cent. Have a central bank. And must join the Euro within a certain time. The UK and countries like Denmark were already members so had an opt out of joining the Euro. Not my rules but the EU s !! Do you understand if there had a been a Yes vote to independence there would have been 2 years of talks before Scotland official became independent ? Do you know how those talks would have went ? Ahem , there wasn't a yes vote. All immaterial. Your going off on a tangent from your post. Read above i didnt say this did i ? ''If Scotland had voted for independence'' so i am only answering what he said pay attention The only talks that could have been held would have been to separate from the UK. No talks would have been allowed with the EU in the way the UK cannot conduct trade talks with other countries until the separation is agreed. Then Scotland would still have to negotiate enrty into the EU and all the qualifying parts as I listed above would need to be addressed. So if we had left the UK the most likely situation would be Scotland outside the EU. Please remember the snp campaigned not to join the eu when the UK applyed for membership
Indeed the former SNP deputy leader Jim Sillars campaigned for Brexit during the EU referendum and Jim Sillars joined in campaigning for the Scotland Leave group. Not all the SNP want to remain in the EU no matter how much the OP protests. When you break down the voting patterns in Scotland during the EU referendum it shows many SNP supporters/voter's voted to Leave the EU. "Love how you go after the SNP but fail to then people that Labour branch , Lib Dem branch and Scottish scumbag branch had people too that want to remain in the EU and some in those branches voted leave too but no no do the unionist think just name the SNP only thats the problem with unionists cant see past the hatred of the SNP | |||
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"Oh the unionoists are very mixed up today on what do they call the UK lol Ones says Scotland , England , Wales and NI are smaller lesser countries in the UK The other says n no they are only regions not countries lmao Make your mind up Where as i am not ashamed to call the country i live in a country and proud of my country thats Scotland btw " No matter how you break it down Scotland has its current membership of the EU through the body of the UK. Scotland is not and never has been a member of the EU on its own. This was also reinforced by the UK Supreme court in the Gina Miller case on a point of law. Therefore when the UK leaves the EU it means Scotland also leaves the EU. If Scotland had voted Yes to independence in 2014 you would also have left the UK and the EU together at the same time because Scotland has its membership of the EU through the body of the UK. | |||
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"With Clause 11 of the EU Withdrawal Bill has gone to the House of Lords unamended is proof enough of that. This is the legislation which enables the very erosion and stripping away of powers from the Scottish Parliament – if there is nothing to prevent it, In 2013 the Scottish Parliament was stripped of a key energy power after a House of Lords amendment was backed by Unionist MPs The Lords amendment to the Energy bill Amendment 54 which removed the Scottish parliament’s powers of renewables obligation in Scotland and there you have it is an unionist parties ganging up to remove powers from the Scottish parliament. Worse still they did so by introducing last min amendments in the unelected Lords rather than having the baws to debate it on the floor of the House of Commons So these are real worrys for Scotland now i dont expect any of you outside of Scotland to understand or care as it wont affect you but believe me people are worried in Scotland that this is a power grab and to strip powers away from Holyrood because well they think anything that the Scottish government are doing well with in Scotland cant be seen to be good and out perform the UK government thats not allowed or it builds the case for independence Also as i said last night to try and make you understand its not always about money with independence its about the right to self govern and have FULL control over all affairs and we in Scotland can hold our elected government to account " right..... back to this post...... and why i know that kinky has absolutely no idea of what they are talking about (not for the first time....) Currently, the UK is obliged to meet European Union targets on energy efficiency, renewable energy and climate change but after Brexit it will be up to Westminster to set any targets on the first two. A new set of targets will have to be agreed with the UN on climate change. In its bid to boost the renewables sector the Scottish Government has set higher energy targets than both those set in Brussels and London. they can do this, nothing stopping them, but for the purposes of international agreements their internal targets are non-binding The Government, in contrast, has adopted an energy policy based on promoting fracking and nuclear power and had slashed subsidies for renewables. (remember they were talking about "green energy" being subsidised basically putting up electricity prices when every we complaining last winter about fuel prices.... this is partly the cause) A UK Government spokesman said: “no decisions currently taken by the devolved administrations will be removed from them and we will use the opportunity of bringing decision making back to the UK to ensure that more decisions are devolved." | |||
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"I mean come on thats like saying Lanarkshire , Stirlingshire , Aberdeenshire are all regions of England lmao Which there not btw incase anyone gets confused they are regions in the country Scotland It's only you saying dumb retarded statements Kinky, not me Right come on this Cambridgeshire and East Anglia are regions of what country ? " The UK. Come on kinky, which would be easier, jumping over the moon or answering a question? What's your definition of a country? Will you admit you are unable to answer that question? | |||
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"Right come on Cambridgeshire and East Anglia are regions of what country ? " The UK. Come on kinky, which would be easier, jumping over the moon or answering a question? What's your definition of a country? Will you admit you are unable to answer that question? | |||
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"I mean come on thats like saying Lanarkshire , Stirlingshire , Aberdeenshire are all regions of England lmao Which there not btw incase anyone gets confused they are regions in the country Scotland It's only you saying dumb retarded statements Kinky, not me Right come on this Cambridgeshire and East Anglia are regions of what country ? The UK. Come on kinky, which would be easier, jumping over the moon or answering a question? What's your definition of a country? Will you admit you are unable to answer that question?" I am embarrassed for you You just wrote that seriously just wrote that Ok so you think Cambridgeshire and East Anglia are regions of the UK ? Really are Cambridgeshire and East Anglia in Scotland or Wales or NI now ? Or you saying Cambridgeshire and East Anglia are regions of the region called England ? Lmao | |||
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"I mean come on thats like saying Lanarkshire , Stirlingshire , Aberdeenshire are all regions of England lmao Which there not btw incase anyone gets confused they are regions in the country Scotland It's only you saying dumb retarded statements Kinky, not me Right come on this Cambridgeshire and East Anglia are regions of what country ? The UK. Come on kinky, which would be easier, jumping over the moon or answering a question? What's your definition of a country? Will you admit you are unable to answer that question? I am embarrassed for you You just wrote that seriously just wrote that Ok so you think Cambridgeshire and East Anglia are regions of the UK ? Really are Cambridgeshire and East Anglia in Scotland or Wales or NI now ? Or you saying Cambridgeshire and East Anglia are regions of the region called England ? Lmao " You are saying that Cambridgeshire and East Anglia are NOT in the UK! Hahahahahaha Do you know who else thought that East Anglia wasn't in the UK? https://youtu.be/qUrE0w1r_og HaHaHaHa. I fucking love your threads kinky! | |||
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"Wasn't one of the key points though being "Vote to stay in the UK was to stay in the EU" ? Now that's fucked up I think it gives the right for a 2nd ref just on that point alone. If Scotland had voted for independence they would still be waiting to join the EU because of the deficit and lack of a national bank. And you know this how ? Were you involved in those talks ? Oh wait there was no talks so you could never know that That is only your opinion The EU rule state there facts !!! No country walks into the EU they must satisfy certain conditions. Unfortunately a blind eye was turned to Greece's lies about their economy so I can only speculate any country being admitted in future will have the full scrutiny applied to them. Scotland would qualify on most parts but still have to have a deficit less than four per cent. Have a central bank. And must join the Euro within a certain time. The UK and countries like Denmark were already members so had an opt out of joining the Euro. Not my rules but the EU s !! Do you understand if there had a been a Yes vote to independence there would have been 2 years of talks before Scotland official became independent ? Do you know how those talks would have went ? Ahem , there wasn't a yes vote. All immaterial. Your going off on a tangent from your post. Read above i didnt say this did i ? ''If Scotland had voted for independence'' so i am only answering what he said pay attention The only talks that could have been held would have been to separate from the UK. No talks would have been allowed with the EU in the way the UK cannot conduct trade talks with other countries until the separation is agreed. Then Scotland would still have to negotiate enrty into the EU and all the qualifying parts as I listed above would need to be addressed. So if we had left the UK the most likely situation would be Scotland outside the EU. Please remember the snp campaigned not to join the eu when the UK applyed for membership
Indeed the former SNP deputy leader Jim Sillars campaigned for Brexit during the EU referendum and Jim Sillars joined in campaigning for the Scotland Leave group. Not all the SNP want to remain in the EU no matter how much the OP protests. When you break down the voting patterns in Scotland during the EU referendum it shows many SNP supporters/voter's voted to Leave the EU.
Love how you go after the SNP but fail to then people that Labour branch , Lib Dem branch and Scottish scumbag branch had people too that want to remain in the EU and some in those branches voted leave too
but no no do the unionist think just name the SNP only
thats the problem with unionists cant see past the hatred of the SNP "Wtf are you jabbering on about? It's common knowledge that both the Leave and Remain campaigns were both multi party campaigns. Remain had Labour, Conservative, Lib dem, SNP and Green party backers (among others) Leave had Labour, Conservative, Ukip, SNP, Green, DUP and RESPECT party backers (among others). Both campaigns were multi party campaigns and the SNP had people on each side as did many other parties. | |||
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"I mean come on thats like saying Lanarkshire , Stirlingshire , Aberdeenshire are all regions of England lmao Which there not btw incase anyone gets confused they are regions in the country Scotland It's only you saying dumb retarded statements Kinky, not me Right come on this Cambridgeshire and East Anglia are regions of what country ? The UK. Come on kinky, which would be easier, jumping over the moon or answering a question? What's your definition of a country? Will you admit you are unable to answer that question? I am embarrassed for you You just wrote that seriously just wrote that Ok so you think Cambridgeshire and East Anglia are regions of the UK ? Really are Cambridgeshire and East Anglia in Scotland or Wales or NI now ? Or you saying Cambridgeshire and East Anglia are regions of the region called England ? Lmao You are saying that Cambridgeshire and East Anglia are NOT in the UK! Hahahahahaha Do you know who else thought that East Anglia wasn't in the UK? https://youtu.be/qUrE0w1r_og HaHaHaHa. I fucking love your threads kinky! "Jesus christ Right is Cambridgeshire and East Anglia are regions in the country Scotland ? | |||
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"I mean come on thats like saying Lanarkshire , Stirlingshire , Aberdeenshire are all regions of England lmao Which there not btw incase anyone gets confused they are regions in the country Scotland It's only you saying dumb retarded statements Kinky, not me Right come on this Cambridgeshire and East Anglia are regions of what country ? The UK. Come on kinky, which would be easier, jumping over the moon or answering a question? What's your definition of a country? Will you admit you are unable to answer that question? I am embarrassed for you You just wrote that seriously just wrote that Ok so you think Cambridgeshire and East Anglia are regions of the UK ? Really are Cambridgeshire and East Anglia in Scotland or Wales or NI now ? Or you saying Cambridgeshire and East Anglia are regions of the region called England ? Lmao You are saying that Cambridgeshire and East Anglia are NOT in the UK! Hahahahahaha Do you know who else thought that East Anglia wasn't in the UK? https://youtu.be/qUrE0w1r_og HaHaHaHa. I fucking love your threads kinky!
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" Jesus christ Right is Cambridgeshire and East Anglia are regions in the country Scotland ?" Your posts Kinky are so factually incorrect it's sometimes difficult to even answer you. | |||
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"Wasn't one of the key points though being "Vote to stay in the UK was to stay in the EU" ? Now that's fucked up I think it gives the right for a 2nd ref just on that point alone. If Scotland had voted for independence they would still be waiting to join the EU because of the deficit and lack of a national bank. And you know this how ? Were you involved in those talks ? Oh wait there was no talks so you could never know that That is only your opinion The EU rule state there facts !!! No country walks into the EU they must satisfy certain conditions. Unfortunately a blind eye was turned to Greece's lies about their economy so I can only speculate any country being admitted in future will have the full scrutiny applied to them. Scotland would qualify on most parts but still have to have a deficit less than four per cent. Have a central bank. And must join the Euro within a certain time. The UK and countries like Denmark were already members so had an opt out of joining the Euro. Not my rules but the EU s !! Do you understand if there had a been a Yes vote to independence there would have been 2 years of talks before Scotland official became independent ? Do you know how those talks would have went ? Ahem , there wasn't a yes vote. All immaterial. Your going off on a tangent from your post. Read above i didnt say this did i ? ''If Scotland had voted for independence'' so i am only answering what he said pay attention The only talks that could have been held would have been to separate from the UK. No talks would have been allowed with the EU in the way the UK cannot conduct trade talks with other countries until the separation is agreed. Then Scotland would still have to negotiate enrty into the EU and all the qualifying parts as I listed above would need to be addressed. So if we had left the UK the most likely situation would be Scotland outside the EU. Please remember the snp campaigned not to join the eu when the UK applyed for membership
Indeed the former SNP deputy leader Jim Sillars campaigned for Brexit during the EU referendum and Jim Sillars joined in campaigning for the Scotland Leave group. Not all the SNP want to remain in the EU no matter how much the OP protests. When you break down the voting patterns in Scotland during the EU referendum it shows many SNP supporters/voter's voted to Leave the EU.
Love how you go after the SNP but fail to then people that Labour branch , Lib Dem branch and Scottish scumbag branch had people too that want to remain in the EU and some in those branches voted leave too
but no no do the unionist think just name the SNP only
thats the problem with unionists cant see past the hatred of the SNP
Wtf are you jabbering on about? It's common knowledge that both the Leave and Remain campaigns were both multi party campaigns.
Remain had Labour, Conservative, Lib dem, SNP and Green party backers (among others)
Leave had Labour, Conservative, Ukip, SNP, Green, DUP and RESPECT party backers (among others).
Both campaigns were multi party campaigns and the SNP had people on each side as did many other parties.
"Right now we have that cleared did the Majority in Scotland thats ALL local areas voted to remain part of the EU by 62% ? Yes i am fully aware that 1 million voted to leave in Scotland which is in the minority and 38% Now its strange how you want the 38% to be listened to but the 45% that said we do not want anything to do with the UK is to just be ignored So you go with the majority and respect their decision and you should respect Scotland decison to remain part of the UK and dont give me the it was a Uk vote need i remind you of the Better Together mob promise that if Scotland votes no its the only way to keep your EU membership by being in the UK is not safe anymore so what you saying to those no voters tough shit i dont care about you now ? Those no voters are allowed to change their minds at any point if they think they have been screwed over by rUK | |||
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"I mean come on thats like saying Lanarkshire , Stirlingshire , Aberdeenshire are all regions of England lmao Which there not btw incase anyone gets confused they are regions in the country Scotland It's only you saying dumb retarded statements Kinky, not me Right come on this Cambridgeshire and East Anglia are regions of what country ? The UK. Come on kinky, which would be easier, jumping over the moon or answering a question? What's your definition of a country? Will you admit you are unable to answer that question? I am embarrassed for you You just wrote that seriously just wrote that Ok so you think Cambridgeshire and East Anglia are regions of the UK ? Really are Cambridgeshire and East Anglia in Scotland or Wales or NI now ? Or you saying Cambridgeshire and East Anglia are regions of the region called England ? Lmao You are saying that Cambridgeshire and East Anglia are NOT in the UK! Hahahahahaha Do you know who else thought that East Anglia wasn't in the UK? https://youtu.be/qUrE0w1r_og HaHaHaHa. I fucking love your threads kinky!
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Right is Cambridgeshire and East Anglia are regions in the country Scotland ?
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"fucking embarrassing now wonder the UK is fucked So to clear this up some on here think Cambridgeshire and East Anglia are regions of the region called England lmao!!!!!!!!!!!!! That ashamed to call the England a country and Cambridgeshire and East Anglia are regions of the country England No wonder when you go to London all you see is the union jack and not many English St George flag by god people by proud of your country England dont be that ashamed that you have to call it a region " You can't teach stupid, it's a born trait | |||
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"Scotland, England, Wales & NI All voted together as The United Kingdom because for now that's how The United Kingdom is made up, unfortunately the vote majority was to leave. " Ok now in the country Scotland what was the vote ? | |||
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"Scotland, England, Wales & NI All voted together as The United Kingdom because for now that's how The United Kingdom is made up, unfortunately the vote majority was to leave. Ok now in the country Scotland what was the vote ? Scotland's not a country "In your opinion humor me what was the vote in the EU referendum in Scotland ? Just called only i know yous dont like it but start being honest with yourself | |||
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"Scotland, England, Wales & NI All voted together as The United Kingdom because for now that's how The United Kingdom is made up, unfortunately the vote majority was to leave. Ok now in the country Scotland what was the vote ? Scotland's not a country
In your opinion humor me
what was the vote in the EU referendum in Scotland ? Just called only i know yous dont like it but start being honest with yourself"Sure Jade, just as soon as you humour me with youe definition of a country | |||
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"Scotland, England, Wales & NI All voted together as The United Kingdom because for now that's how The United Kingdom is made up, unfortunately the vote majority was to leave. Ok now in the country Scotland what was the vote ? Scotland's not a country
In your opinion humor me
what was the vote in the EU referendum in Scotland ? Just called only i know yous dont like it but start being honest with yourself
Sure Jade, just as soon as you humour me with youe definition of a country "Ah right now afraid to say ALL Scotland's local areas voted to remain by the majority you know how unionists love to remind us how we should respect the majority vote | |||
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"Scotland, England, Wales & NI All voted together as The United Kingdom because for now that's how The United Kingdom is made up, unfortunately the vote majority was to leave. Ok now in the country Scotland what was the vote ? Scotland's not a country
In your opinion humor me
what was the vote in the EU referendum in Scotland ? Just called only i know yous dont like it but start being honest with yourself
Sure Jade, just as soon as you humour me with youe definition of a country
Ah right now afraid to say ALL Scotland's local areas voted to remain by the majority you know how unionists love to remind us how we should respect the majority vote "I didn't say I was afraid, I just wanted you to give your definition of country first. I mean you say that you want Scotland to be an "independent country" but you dont even know what that word means! | |||
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"Scotland, England, Wales & NI All voted together as The United Kingdom because for now that's how The United Kingdom is made up, unfortunately the vote majority was to leave. Ok now in the country Scotland what was the vote ? Scotland's not a country
In your opinion humor me
what was the vote in the EU referendum in Scotland ? Just called only i know yous dont like it but start being honest with yourself"It's an irrelevant question because it wasn't a devolved vote. It was a UK wide vote because the UK as a whole has membership of the EU. The UK as a whole voted to leave the EU. | |||
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"Scotland, England, Wales & NI All voted together as The United Kingdom because for now that's how The United Kingdom is made up, unfortunately the vote majority was to leave. Ok now in the country Scotland what was the vote ? Scotland's not a country
In your opinion humor me
what was the vote in the EU referendum in Scotland ? Just called only i know yous dont like it but start being honest with yourself
Sure Jade, just as soon as you humour me with youe definition of a country
Ah right now afraid to say ALL Scotland's local areas voted to remain by the majority you know how unionists love to remind us how we should respect the majority vote
I didn't say I was afraid, I just wanted you to give your definition of country first. I mean you say that you want Scotland to be an "independent country" but you dont even know what that word means! "Ah right so your not afraid to answer it good , good ok then what was the vote in the EU referendum in Scotland ? | |||
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"Btw i have noticed when i put a thread up about Scotland how much people outside of Scotland seem to think they know what best for Scotland and we in Scotland dont know whats best for our own country You just stick to your own problems ie in the English and Welsh NHS and get them sorted and we in Scotland we get on with making sure we have better and fairer changes England and Wales and NI need to catch up wouldnt want little old poor Scotl;and to keep showing the rest of the UK how its done cant have that now proving Scotland can like any country can be independent and not be tied down to London master they can shove their shit hole in Westmnster" Latest Scottish A and E performance figures anyone? | |||
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"Btw i have noticed when i put a thread up about Scotland how much people outside of Scotland seem to think they know what best for Scotland and we in Scotland dont know whats best for our own country " What I've noticed is that when ever you put a thread up people from Scotland post to challenge you. People from Scotland who want to remain part of the UK and know what's best for their own country. | |||
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"Scotland, England, Wales & NI All voted together as The United Kingdom because for now that's how The United Kingdom is made up, unfortunately the vote majority was to leave. Ok now in the country Scotland what was the vote ? Scotland's not a country
In your opinion humor me
what was the vote in the EU referendum in Scotland ? Just called only i know yous dont like it but start being honest with yourself
Sure Jade, just as soon as you humour me with youe definition of a country
Ah right now afraid to say ALL Scotland's local areas voted to remain by the majority you know how unionists love to remind us how we should respect the majority vote
I didn't say I was afraid, I just wanted you to give your definition of country first. I mean you say that you want Scotland to be an "independent country" but you dont even know what that word means!
Ah right so your not afraid to answer it good , good ok then what was the vote in the EU referendum in Scotland ?"Does this mean you won't give your definition of a country then? Results in South Cambs: Remain: 56,128 - 60.19% Leave: 37,061 - 39.74% Result in Scotland: Remain 62% Leave 38% Are you now going to call Scotland and South Cambs both countries? | |||
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"Btw i have noticed when i put a thread up about Scotland how much people outside of Scotland seem to think they know what best for Scotland and we in Scotland dont know whats best for our own country You just stick to your own problems ie in the English and Welsh NHS and get them sorted and we in Scotland we get on with making sure we have better and fairer changes England and Wales and NI need to catch up wouldnt want little old poor Scotl;and to keep showing the rest of the UK how its done cant have that now proving Scotland can like any country can be independent and not be tied down to London master they can shove their shit hole in Westmnster" Brings us back to the no vote at referendum . Whether you like it or not Scotlands issues are our issues n vice versa to a degree So debates are going to be Country wide (Uk). | |||
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"Scotland, England, Wales & NI All voted together as The United Kingdom because for now that's how The United Kingdom is made up, unfortunately the vote majority was to leave. Ok now in the country Scotland what was the vote ? Scotland's not a country
In your opinion humor me
what was the vote in the EU referendum in Scotland ? Just called only i know yous dont like it but start being honest with yourself
It's an irrelevant question because it wasn't a devolved vote. It was a UK wide vote because the UK as a whole has membership of the EU. The UK as a whole voted to leave the EU. "irrelevant to you as you dont want to be seen telling people the truth of how Scotland voted in the EU referendum eh ? which was ALL local areas and the majority of Scotland voted remain correct? Look i dont even have a problem saying in England the majority voted to leave the EU what is the matter that you cant admit how Scotland voted in the EU referendum ? Which btw was a non binding referendum just remember that incase your wee PM refuses a section 30 order and Scotland has their own non binding independence referendum and a yes vote comes in because if you said no you dont respect that vote then i call you out and say abit of double standards from you Centaur wanting to take the whole of the UK out on a non bindng referendum then saying you dont respect the wishes of the people in a other non binding referendum Thats how your PM wont be able to stop and refuse a section 30 order keep it in mind your gonna need it in Oct 2018 hehehee | |||
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"Scotland, England, Wales & NI All voted together as The United Kingdom because for now that's how The United Kingdom is made up, unfortunately the vote majority was to leave. Ok now in the country Scotland what was the vote ? Scotland's not a country
In your opinion humor me
what was the vote in the EU referendum in Scotland ? Just called only i know yous dont like it but start being honest with yourself
Sure Jade, just as soon as you humour me with youe definition of a country
Ah right now afraid to say ALL Scotland's local areas voted to remain by the majority you know how unionists love to remind us how we should respect the majority vote
I didn't say I was afraid, I just wanted you to give your definition of country first. I mean you say that you want Scotland to be an "independent country" but you dont even know what that word means!
Ah right so your not afraid to answer it good , good ok then what was the vote in the EU referendum in Scotland ?
Does this mean you won't give your definition of a country then?
Results in South Cambs:
Remain: 56,128 - 60.19%
Leave: 37,061 - 39.74%
Result in Scotland:
Remain 62%
Leave 38%
Are you now going to call Scotland and South Cambs both countries? "Thats sad first off Scotland is a country which regions ALL voted to remain England's regions voted in the majority to leave you have to respect that or hope you can keep enough people to change their minds in England i am proud of my Scotland that voted to remain and i am proud to be a EU citizen and those EU citizens and well as English citizen who have had enough of the Tories are welcome in Scotland even you CLCC get your arse up here lol | |||
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"Scotland, England, Wales & NI All voted together as The United Kingdom because for now that's how The United Kingdom is made up, unfortunately the vote majority was to leave. Ok now in the country Scotland what was the vote ? Scotland's not a country
In your opinion humor me
what was the vote in the EU referendum in Scotland ? Just called only i know yous dont like it but start being honest with yourself
Sure Jade, just as soon as you humour me with youe definition of a country
Ah right now afraid to say ALL Scotland's local areas voted to remain by the majority you know how unionists love to remind us how we should respect the majority vote
I didn't say I was afraid, I just wanted you to give your definition of country first. I mean you say that you want Scotland to be an "independent country" but you dont even know what that word means!
Ah right so your not afraid to answer it good , good ok then what was the vote in the EU referendum in Scotland ?
Does this mean you won't give your definition of a country then?
Results in South Cambs:
Remain: 56,128 - 60.19%
Leave: 37,061 - 39.74%
Result in Scotland:
Remain 62%
Leave 38%
Are you now going to call Scotland and South Cambs both countries?
Thats sad first off Scotland is a country which regions ALL voted to remain
England's regions voted in the majority to leave you have to respect that or hope you can keep enough people to change their minds in England
i am proud of my Scotland that voted to remain and i am proud to be a EU citizen and those EU citizens and well as English citizen who have had enough of the Tories are welcome in Scotland even you CLCC get your arse up here lol "Has wearing a kilt frozen your bollocks off? Why can't you give a definition of a country? You can look it up. | |||
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"Scotland, England, Wales & NI All voted together as The United Kingdom because for now that's how The United Kingdom is made up, unfortunately the vote majority was to leave. Ok now in the country Scotland what was the vote ? Scotland's not a country
In your opinion humor me
what was the vote in the EU referendum in Scotland ? Just called only i know yous dont like it but start being honest with yourself
It's an irrelevant question because it wasn't a devolved vote. It was a UK wide vote because the UK as a whole has membership of the EU. The UK as a whole voted to leave the EU.
irrelevant to you as you dont want to be seen telling people the truth of how Scotland voted in the EU referendum eh ? which was ALL local areas and the majority of Scotland voted remain correct?
Look i dont even have a problem saying in England the majority voted to leave the EU what is the matter that you cant admit how Scotland voted in the EU referendum ? Which btw was a non binding referendum just remember that incase your wee PM refuses a section 30 order and Scotland has their own non binding independence referendum and a yes vote comes in because if you said no you dont respect that vote then i call you out and say abit of double standards from you Centaur wanting to take the whole of the UK out on a non bindng referendum then saying you dont respect the wishes of the people in a other non binding referendum
Thats how your PM wont be able to stop and refuse a section 30 order keep it in mind your gonna need it in Oct 2018 hehehee
"It's irrelevant how England voted because it wasn't a devolved vote. It's irrelevant how Wales voted because it wasn't a devolved vote. It's irrelevant how Northern Ireland voted because it wasn't a devolved vote. It's irrelevant how Scotland voted because it wasn't a devolved vote. It was a UK wide vote because only the UK as a whole has membership of the EU. The whole of the UK voted to leave the EU. | |||
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"Scotland, England, Wales & NI All voted together as The United Kingdom because for now that's how The United Kingdom is made up, unfortunately the vote majority was to leave. Ok now in the country Scotland what was the vote ? Scotland's not a country
In your opinion humor me
what was the vote in the EU referendum in Scotland ? Just called only i know yous dont like it but start being honest with yourself
Sure Jade, just as soon as you humour me with youe definition of a country
Ah right now afraid to say ALL Scotland's local areas voted to remain by the majority you know how unionists love to remind us how we should respect the majority vote
I didn't say I was afraid, I just wanted you to give your definition of country first. I mean you say that you want Scotland to be an "independent country" but you dont even know what that word means!
Ah right so your not afraid to answer it good , good ok then what was the vote in the EU referendum in Scotland ?
Does this mean you won't give your definition of a country then?
Results in South Cambs:
Remain: 56,128 - 60.19%
Leave: 37,061 - 39.74%
Result in Scotland:
Remain 62%
Leave 38%
Are you now going to call Scotland and South Cambs both countries?
Thats sad first off Scotland is a country which regions ALL voted to remain
England's regions voted in the majority to leave you have to respect that or hope you can keep enough people to change their minds in England
i am proud of my Scotland that voted to remain and i am proud to be a EU citizen and those EU citizens and well as English citizen who have had enough of the Tories are welcome in Scotland even you CLCC get your arse up here lol
Has wearing a kilt frozen your bollocks off? Why can't you give a definition of a country? You can look it up. "Your not afraid of abit of cold weather are you CLCC ? And nothing wrong with wearing a kilt even if England tried to ban it | |||
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"Scotland, England, Wales & NI All voted together as The United Kingdom because for now that's how The United Kingdom is made up, unfortunately the vote majority was to leave. Ok now in the country Scotland what was the vote ? Scotland's not a country
In your opinion humor me
what was the vote in the EU referendum in Scotland ? Just called only i know yous dont like it but start being honest with yourself
Sure Jade, just as soon as you humour me with youe definition of a country
Ah right now afraid to say ALL Scotland's local areas voted to remain by the majority you know how unionists love to remind us how we should respect the majority vote
I didn't say I was afraid, I just wanted you to give your definition of country first. I mean you say that you want Scotland to be an "independent country" but you dont even know what that word means!
Ah right so your not afraid to answer it good , good ok then what was the vote in the EU referendum in Scotland ?
Does this mean you won't give your definition of a country then?
Results in South Cambs:
Remain: 56,128 - 60.19%
Leave: 37,061 - 39.74%
Result in Scotland:
Remain 62%
Leave 38%
Are you now going to call Scotland and South Cambs both countries?
Thats sad first off Scotland is a country which regions ALL voted to remain
England's regions voted in the majority to leave you have to respect that or hope you can keep enough people to change their minds in England
i am proud of my Scotland that voted to remain and i am proud to be a EU citizen and those EU citizens and well as English citizen who have had enough of the Tories are welcome in Scotland even you CLCC get your arse up here lol
Has wearing a kilt frozen your bollocks off? Why can't you give a definition of a country? You can look it up.
Your not afraid of abit of cold weather are you CLCC ? And nothing wrong with wearing a kilt even if England tried to ban it
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"Scotland should be given the Indi ref again now In my view becuase Brexit is the biggest cluster fuck of our lifetimes we might as well try and get everything over and done with in one go. The UK as a whole is most probably going to be a lot worse off after Brexit, there is nothing tangible that can suggest otherwise if time is taken to take as much into account as possible. There is nothing what so ever that can suggest Scotland will be any better off leaving the UK, more likely a very large loss of GDP is guarenteed. Add them both together which is what would happen if Scotland voted YES to Inde, leaving the UK and leaving the EU, then if Scotland did choose self termination "my opinion" then they'd get what they voted for, just like Brexit." Amen to that...the sooner they’re gone the better.... | |||
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"Wasn't one of the key points though being "Vote to stay in the UK was to stay in the EU" ? Now that's fucked up I think it gives the right for a 2nd ref just on that point alone. If Scotland had voted for independence they would still be waiting to join the EU because of the deficit and lack of a national bank. And you know this how ? Were you involved in those talks ? Oh wait there was no talks so you could never know that That is only your opinion The EU rule state there facts !!! No country walks into the EU they must satisfy certain conditions. Unfortunately a blind eye was turned to Greece's lies about their economy so I can only speculate any country being admitted in future will have the full scrutiny applied to them. Scotland would qualify on most parts but still have to have a deficit less than four per cent. Have a central bank. And must join the Euro within a certain time. The UK and countries like Denmark were already members so had an opt out of joining the Euro. Not my rules but the EU s !! Do you understand if there had a been a Yes vote to independence there would have been 2 years of talks before Scotland official became independent ? Do you know how those talks would have went ? Ahem , there wasn't a yes vote. All immaterial. Your going off on a tangent from your post. Read above i didnt say this did i ? ''If Scotland had voted for independence'' so i am only answering what he said pay attention The only talks that could have been held would have been to separate from the UK. No talks would have been allowed with the EU in the way the UK cannot conduct trade talks with other countries until the separation is agreed. Then Scotland would still have to negotiate enrty into the EU and all the qualifying parts as I listed above would need to be addressed. So if we had left the UK the most likely situation would be Scotland outside the EU. Please remember the snp campaigned not to join the eu when the UK applyed for membership
Indeed the former SNP deputy leader Jim Sillars campaigned for Brexit during the EU referendum and Jim Sillars joined in campaigning for the Scotland Leave group. Not all the SNP want to remain in the EU no matter how much the OP protests. When you break down the voting patterns in Scotland during the EU referendum it shows many SNP supporters/voter's voted to Leave the EU. "The former snp health minister voted to leave maybe that is why he is no longer a cabinet minister
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"With Clause 11 of the EU Withdrawal Bill has gone to the House of Lords unamended is proof enough of that. This is the legislation which enables the very erosion and stripping away of powers from the Scottish Parliament – if there is nothing to prevent it, In 2013 the Scottish Parliament was stripped of a key energy power after a House of Lords amendment was backed by Unionist MPs The Lords amendment to the Energy bill Amendment 54 which removed the Scottish parliament’s powers of renewables obligation in Scotland and there you have it is an unionist parties ganging up to remove powers from the Scottish parliament. Worse still they did so by introducing last min amendments in the unelected Lords rather than having the baws to debate it on the floor of the House of Commons " I’m afraid KinkyH is at it again with misleading statements and half tuffs. No doubt KinkyH got this from this link:- http://www.scottishenergynews.com/lords-axe-holyroods-power-over-scottish-renewables/ I mean it’s almost a cut and paste of the whole article. But that article doesn’t go into any depth on the issues. There are a number of things that should be pointed out. 1) Amendment 54 has nothing to do with Scotland or Devolution and never mentions either. It talks about payment and deliverables relating to renewable energy 2) Energy supply, and specifically Electrical energy supply, is designated as a reserved power in the 1998 act so Mike Weir was simply wrong to say that any powers were removed from the Scottish Parliament by Amendment 54 as the amendment, and the act itself, related to powers reserved to Westminster at that time. 3) In 2016 authority over renewables was devolved to the Scottish Parliament. Even if Mike Weir had been correct in his statement in 2013 about powers being taken from the Scottish Parliament, which he wasn’t, the matter is now fully devolved to Scotland anyway. Scotland now actually has the very powers that KinkyH incorrectly, because they never actually had then before, claimed were taken away in 2013. " So these are real worrys for Scotland now i dont expect any of you outside of Scotland to understand or care as it wont affect you but believe me people are worried in Scotland that this is a power grab and to strip powers away from Holyrood because well they think anything that the Scottish government are doing well with in Scotland cant be seen to be good and out perform the UK government thats not allowed or it builds the case for independence Also as i said last night to try and make you understand its not always about money with independence its about the right to self govern and have FULL control over all affairs and we in Scotland can hold our elected government to account " KinkyH is correct to be worried about the possibility of a power crap by the executive (government) and the particular method it by which it is trying to control the whole BREXIT process. This method, known as Henry VIII Clauses, allows the executive to repeal or amend a Bill after it has become an Act (become law) without further Parliamentary scrutiny. This is something we should all be concerned about but, while it could be used to change reserved powers, it doesn’t particularly relate to Scotland or devolution exclusively. I also agree with KinkyH that not all issues are about money and the economy. Let’s face it; if they were then neither BREXIT nor Scottish independence would see the light of day. However those supporting either independence or BREXIT should have the courage of their convictions and not try to lie about the likely financial costs of either. There is a cost to Scotland of BREXIT and, in the worst case scenario of a hard BREXIT, that cost is estimated at £12 billion per year. There is also a cost to Scotland for independence and, using very similar assumptions as the analysis for BREXIT, that cost is estimated, in the best case scenario, to be £40 billion per year. If BREXITers and Nationalist were actually being honest with the people I’d have a lot more respect for them both. | |||
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"Interesting to know this How many of you on here think the PM should refuse a section 30 order ? Did you know the UK government have no legal power to stop a non binding referendum on independence ? So since the Tories wanna take the UK out on a non binding referendum if Scotland were to hold their own non binding independence referendum how many think UK should not respect that ? Pot and kettle would come to mind This is why i keep saying its unwise t go down that route of refusing a secton 30 order it plays right into the pro indy sides hands i mean no voters would still be able to vote no to independence in a leglly binding referendum and i keep hearing how Scotland dont want independence then in that case should be easy for the no side to win then unless the UK government chicken shit incase people have had enough and seen through the lies and broken promises lol " Bait and switch! Well done Jade! I'm sure no one noticed | |||
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"Interesting to know this How many of you on here think the PM should refuse a section 30 order ? Did you know the UK government have no legal power to stop a non binding referendum on independence ? So since the Tories wanna take the UK out on a non binding referendum if Scotland were to hold their own non binding independence referendum how many think UK should not respect that ? Pot and kettle would come to mind This is why i keep saying its unwise t go down that route of refusing a secton 30 order it plays right into the pro indy sides hands i mean no voters would still be able to vote no to independence in a leglly binding referendum and i keep hearing how Scotland dont want independence then in that case should be easy for the no side to win then unless the UK government chicken shit incase people have had enough and seen through the lies and broken promises lol Bait and switch! Well done Jade! I'm sure no one noticed "Nope i think you will find its my thread and i wont be gagged you wanna discuss things go right ahead and start your own thread | |||
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"Interesting to know this How many of you on here think the PM should refuse a section 30 order ? Did you know the UK government have no legal power to stop a non binding referendum on independence ? So since the Tories wanna take the UK out on a non binding referendum if Scotland were to hold their own non binding independence referendum how many think UK should not respect that ? Pot and kettle would come to mind This is why i keep saying its unwise t go down that route of refusing a secton 30 order it plays right into the pro indy sides hands i mean no voters would still be able to vote no to independence in a leglly binding referendum and i keep hearing how Scotland dont want independence then in that case should be easy for the no side to win then unless the UK government chicken shit incase people have had enough and seen through the lies and broken promises lol Bait and switch! Well done Jade! I'm sure no one noticed
Nope i think you will find its my thread and i wont be gagged you wanna discuss things go right ahead and start your own thread
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"Interesting to know this How many of you on here think the PM should refuse a section 30 order ? Did you know the UK government have no legal power to stop a non binding referendum on independence ? So since the Tories wanna take the UK out on a non binding referendum if Scotland were to hold their own non binding independence referendum how many think UK should not respect that ? Pot and kettle would come to mind This is why i keep saying its unwise t go down that route of refusing a secton 30 order it plays right into the pro indy sides hands i mean no voters would still be able to vote no to independence in a leglly binding referendum and i keep hearing how Scotland dont want independence then in that case should be easy for the no side to win then unless the UK government chicken shit incase people have had enough and seen through the lies and broken promises lol Bait and switch! Well done Jade! I'm sure no one noticed
Nope i think you will find its my thread and i wont be gagged you wanna discuss things go right ahead and start your own thread
Why start a thread if you are too scared to answer any questions?"Pot and kettle i ddnt see you answer that How many of you on here think the PM should refuse a section 30 order ? | |||
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"Because many Scots may have voted last time for the good of their Country to stay in the bloc ahead of what they want personally, where as now they face being dragged out of the EU anyway so why not go full Indy too." The thing is though, every poll (and there have been a lot) have shown that there hasn't been an increase in support for independence even with Brexit looming. The polls have actually gone the other way. Sturgeon gambled that discontentment with Brexit would lead to an increase un support for indy and was wrong. There has also been a backlash from many who voted remain but are also against indy. They are peeved at their remain votes being used by the SNP as a reason of going for another referendum which they don't support. Here's John Curtice writing last week on the issue after the latest poll results: "Of course, any settlement of these two issues still leaves the central question of whether Scotland should be seeking independence following the divergent Brexit result north and south of the border. To date, the opinion polls have uncovered little consistent evidence of a swing in favour of independence in the wake of the UK-wide vote to leave the EU. Our latest survey confirms that impression, even though, as today’s paper also shows, voters in Scotland are largely critical of how the Brexit process has progressed so far. Indeed, whereas a survey we conducted with our panel at the beginning of 2017 found little evidence of a swing either for or against independence (as compared with how our panel members behaved in 2014), our latest survey records a 5% swing away from independence. If this is the case, the First Minister will soon be looking for yet another reason to keep indyref2 in the long grass in which it currently rests." Curtice tends to be spot on with his analysis. | |||
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"Interesting to know this How many of you on here think the PM should refuse a section 30 order ? Did you know the UK government have no legal power to stop a non binding referendum on independence ? So since the Tories wanna take the UK out on a non binding referendum if Scotland were to hold their own non binding independence referendum how many think UK should not respect that ? Pot and kettle would come to mind This is why i keep saying its unwise t go down that route of refusing a secton 30 order it plays right into the pro indy sides hands i mean no voters would still be able to vote no to independence in a leglly binding referendum and i keep hearing how Scotland dont want independence then in that case should be easy for the no side to win then unless the UK government chicken shit incase people have had enough and seen through the lies and broken promises lol Bait and switch! Well done Jade! I'm sure no one noticed
Nope i think you will find its my thread and i wont be gagged you wanna discuss things go right ahead and start your own thread
Why start a thread if you are too scared to answer any questions?
Pot and kettle i ddnt see you answer that
How many of you on here think the PM should refuse a section 30 order ?"I'm not in favour of referendum generally for the reasons I've often stated. However, in view of the SNP manifesto commitment, the material change to Scotland's position in Europe that BREXIT clearly represents and that Scotland didn't actually vote to leaving the EU; I think if Scotland actually wants another Indy ref it would be counterproductive to the Unionist cause not to give one. I also believe that the closer any Indy referendum is to BREXIT, with all the economic uncertainty that would bring, the less likely the Scottish people are actually to vote for it. So if the SNP, any other Scot Nats or other right wing neo-nationalist movement really want more referendum then bring it on, we're ready for you this time. | |||
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"Interesting to know this How many of you on here think the PM should refuse a section 30 order ? Did you know the UK government have no legal power to stop a non binding referendum on independence ? So since the Tories wanna take the UK out on a non binding referendum if Scotland were to hold their own non binding independence referendum how many think UK should not respect that ? Pot and kettle would come to mind This is why i keep saying its unwise t go down that route of refusing a secton 30 order it plays right into the pro indy sides hands i mean no voters would still be able to vote no to independence in a leglly binding referendum and i keep hearing how Scotland dont want independence then in that case should be easy for the no side to win then unless the UK government chicken shit incase people have had enough and seen through the lies and broken promises lol Bait and switch! Well done Jade! I'm sure no one noticed
Nope i think you will find its my thread and i wont be gagged you wanna discuss things go right ahead and start your own thread
Why start a thread if you are too scared to answer any questions?
Pot and kettle i ddnt see you answer that
How many of you on here think the PM should refuse a section 30 order ?"I have answered your inane questions again and again and again, yet as has repeatedly been shown, you are too cowardly to answer other people's questions. You don't have enough conviction of belief, you don't really want independence, you just kinda want it. That's why you can't answer. To answer would shatter your sense of self. As I said at the start, it would be easier to ask you to jump over the moon. | |||
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"Interesting to know this How many of you on here think the PM should refuse a section 30 order ? Did you know the UK government have no legal power to stop a non binding referendum on independence ? So since the Tories wanna take the UK out on a non binding referendum if Scotland were to hold their own non binding independence referendum how many think UK should not respect that ? Pot and kettle would come to mind This is why i keep saying its unwise t go down that route of refusing a secton 30 order it plays right into the pro indy sides hands i mean no voters would still be able to vote no to independence in a leglly binding referendum and i keep hearing how Scotland dont want independence then in that case should be easy for the no side to win then unless the UK government chicken shit incase people have had enough and seen through the lies and broken promises lol Bait and switch! Well done Jade! I'm sure no one noticed
Nope i think you will find its my thread and i wont be gagged you wanna discuss things go right ahead and start your own thread
"No one is gagging you KinkyH, we're just pointing out when you bait and switch when you do. Which, by the way, It's perfectly possible to do, as you constantly show, even on your own thread. In fact we're so much not wanting to gag you that I can say with pretty high confidence that if anyone wanted to organise an official, properly organised, formal debate on Scottish Independence but wanted the Indy side to lose, you would probably be their first choice as lead speaker for the Indy cause. | |||
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"Wasn't one of the key points though being "Vote to stay in the UK was to stay in the EU" ? Now that's fucked up I think it gives the right for a 2nd ref just on that point alone. No, things don't stand still you can't cherry pick as the months go by. The vote at time was to stay, so that is lock stock n barrel. " kind of the same with brexit eh we are leaving, no if or buts | |||
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"Interesting to know this How many of you on here think the PM should refuse a section 30 order ? Did you know the UK government have no legal power to stop a non binding referendum on independence ? So since the Tories wanna take the UK out on a non binding referendum if Scotland were to hold their own non binding independence referendum how many think UK should not respect that ? Pot and kettle would come to mind This is why i keep saying its unwise t go down that route of refusing a secton 30 order it plays right into the pro indy sides hands i mean no voters would still be able to vote no to independence in a leglly binding referendum and i keep hearing how Scotland dont want independence then in that case should be easy for the no side to win then unless the UK government chicken shit incase people have had enough and seen through the lies and broken promises lol Bait and switch! Well done Jade! I'm sure no one noticed
Nope i think you will find its my thread and i wont be gagged you wanna discuss things go right ahead and start your own thread
Why start a thread if you are too scared to answer any questions?
Pot and kettle i ddnt see you answer that
How many of you on here think the PM should refuse a section 30 order ?
I'm not in favour of referendum generally for the reasons I've often stated. However, in view of the SNP manifesto commitment, the material change to Scotland's position in Europe that BREXIT clearly represents and that Scotland didn't actually vote to leaving the EU; I think if Scotland actually wants another Indy ref it would be counterproductive to the Unionist cause not to give one. I also believe that the closer any Indy referendum is to BREXIT, with all the economic uncertainty that would bring, the less likely the Scottish people are actually to vote for it.
So if the SNP, any other Scot Nats or other right wing neo-nationalist movement really want more referendum then bring it on, we're ready for you this time."The SNP didn't have enough votes to get a referendum through the Scottish parliament though, they had to rely on the Greens and the Greens didn't have a manifesto commitment to hold another referendum. | |||
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"Interesting to know this How many of you on here think the PM should refuse a section 30 order ? Did you know the UK government have no legal power to stop a non binding referendum on independence ? So since the Tories wanna take the UK out on a non binding referendum if Scotland were to hold their own non binding independence referendum how many think UK should not respect that ? Pot and kettle would come to mind This is why i keep saying its unwise t go down that route of refusing a secton 30 order it plays right into the pro indy sides hands i mean no voters would still be able to vote no to independence in a leglly binding referendum and i keep hearing how Scotland dont want independence then in that case should be easy for the no side to win then unless the UK government chicken shit incase people have had enough and seen through the lies and broken promises lol Bait and switch! Well done Jade! I'm sure no one noticed
Nope i think you will find its my thread and i wont be gagged you wanna discuss things go right ahead and start your own thread
Why start a thread if you are too scared to answer any questions?
Pot and kettle i ddnt see you answer that
How many of you on here think the PM should refuse a section 30 order ?
I'm not in favour of referendum generally for the reasons I've often stated. However, in view of the SNP manifesto commitment, the material change to Scotland's position in Europe that BREXIT clearly represents and that Scotland didn't actually vote to leaving the EU; I think if Scotland actually wants another Indy ref it would be counterproductive to the Unionist cause not to give one. I also believe that the closer any Indy referendum is to BREXIT, with all the economic uncertainty that would bring, the less likely the Scottish people are actually to vote for it.
So if the SNP, any other Scot Nats or other right wing neo-nationalist movement really want more referendum then bring it on, we're ready for you this time."Jesus you make it sound like is a fucking war its not Scotland vs England you know its about our independence away from the shit hole of Westminster | |||
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"Interesting to know this How many of you on here think the PM should refuse a section 30 order ? Did you know the UK government have no legal power to stop a non binding referendum on independence ? So since the Tories wanna take the UK out on a non binding referendum if Scotland were to hold their own non binding independence referendum how many think UK should not respect that ? Pot and kettle would come to mind This is why i keep saying its unwise t go down that route of refusing a secton 30 order it plays right into the pro indy sides hands i mean no voters would still be able to vote no to independence in a leglly binding referendum and i keep hearing how Scotland dont want independence then in that case should be easy for the no side to win then unless the UK government chicken shit incase people have had enough and seen through the lies and broken promises lol Bait and switch! Well done Jade! I'm sure no one noticed
Nope i think you will find its my thread and i wont be gagged you wanna discuss things go right ahead and start your own thread
Why start a thread if you are too scared to answer any questions?
Pot and kettle i ddnt see you answer that
How many of you on here think the PM should refuse a section 30 order ?
I'm not in favour of referendum generally for the reasons I've often stated. However, in view of the SNP manifesto commitment, the material change to Scotland's position in Europe that BREXIT clearly represents and that Scotland didn't actually vote to leaving the EU; I think if Scotland actually wants another Indy ref it would be counterproductive to the Unionist cause not to give one. I also believe that the closer any Indy referendum is to BREXIT, with all the economic uncertainty that would bring, the less likely the Scottish people are actually to vote for it.
So if the SNP, any other Scot Nats or other right wing neo-nationalist movement really want more referendum then bring it on, we're ready for you this time.
The SNP didn't have enough votes to get a referendum through the Scottish parliament though, they had to rely on the Greens and the Greens didn't have a manifesto commitment to hold another referendum."Look at you making excuses You don’t get a referendum for free, you have to earn it. So if the Greens and the SNP – and the SSP or any of the other parties who’ve declared an interest in independence – get over the line and can make a coalition, make a majority, get the votes in the Parliament, then they’ll vote through a referendum, and that’s what democracy’s all about… it’s perfectly simple” I believe all of what Ruth Davidson said in 2011 has been done SNP declared an interest in having an independence referendum people in Scotland elected them on their manifesto that was the first part of the mandate Then the debate and vote in Holyrood on the section 30 order passed 69-59 thats the mandate given to the Scottish government by parliament democracy’s all about You do understand in a new independence referendum you will be able to vote no again ? What are you afraid of ? | |||
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"Interesting to know this How many of you on here think the PM should refuse a section 30 order ? Did you know the UK government have no legal power to stop a non binding referendum on independence ? So since the Tories wanna take the UK out on a non binding referendum if Scotland were to hold their own non binding independence referendum how many think UK should not respect that ? Pot and kettle would come to mind This is why i keep saying its unwise t go down that route of refusing a secton 30 order it plays right into the pro indy sides hands i mean no voters would still be able to vote no to independence in a leglly binding referendum and i keep hearing how Scotland dont want independence then in that case should be easy for the no side to win then unless the UK government chicken shit incase people have had enough and seen through the lies and broken promises lol Bait and switch! Well done Jade! I'm sure no one noticed
Nope i think you will find its my thread and i wont be gagged you wanna discuss things go right ahead and start your own thread
Why start a thread if you are too scared to answer any questions?
Pot and kettle i ddnt see you answer that
How many of you on here think the PM should refuse a section 30 order ?
I'm not in favour of referendum generally for the reasons I've often stated. However, in view of the SNP manifesto commitment, the material change to Scotland's position in Europe that BREXIT clearly represents and that Scotland didn't actually vote to leaving the EU; I think if Scotland actually wants another Indy ref it would be counterproductive to the Unionist cause not to give one. I also believe that the closer any Indy referendum is to BREXIT, with all the economic uncertainty that would bring, the less likely the Scottish people are actually to vote for it.
So if the SNP, any other Scot Nats or other right wing neo-nationalist movement really want more referendum then bring it on, we're ready for you this time.
The SNP didn't have enough votes to get a referendum through the Scottish parliament though, they had to rely on the Greens and the Greens didn't have a manifesto commitment to hold another referendum.
Look at you making excuses
You don’t get a referendum for free, you have to earn it. So if the Greens and the SNP – and the SSP or any of the other parties who’ve declared an interest in independence – get over the line and can make a coalition, make a majority, get the votes in the Parliament, then they’ll vote through a referendum, and that’s what democracy’s all about… it’s perfectly simple”
I believe all of what Ruth Davidson said in 2011 has been done
SNP declared an interest in having an independence referendum people in Scotland elected them on their manifesto that was the first part of the mandate
Then the debate and vote in Holyrood on the section 30 order passed 69-59 thats the mandate given to the Scottish government by parliament
democracy’s all about
You do understand in a new independence referendum you will be able to vote no again ? What are you afraid of ?"I'll state the fact again. The SNP didn't have enough votes for a referendum, they had to rely on the Greens and the Greens didn't have it in their manifesto. There won't be another referendum and Sturgeon doesn't want one. Everything she's doing now is about keeping the the non-thinking indy supporters onside by pretending a referendum is just around the corner. Notice how the dates keep changing and then get rather vague. | |||
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"It's only a shit hole when you don't get your own way, I'm sure the majority of English voters would love for you and Mrs Krankie to go your way, I have a feeling the majority in Scotland don't want to be independent that is only my humble opinion " Do you think Kinky would be happy with the Tories winning the election in a newly independent Scotland? | |||
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"Interesting to know this How many of you on here think the PM should refuse a section 30 order ? Did you know the UK government have no legal power to stop a non binding referendum on independence ? So since the Tories wanna take the UK out on a non binding referendum if Scotland were to hold their own non binding independence referendum how many think UK should not respect that ? Pot and kettle would come to mind This is why i keep saying its unwise t go down that route of refusing a secton 30 order it plays right into the pro indy sides hands i mean no voters would still be able to vote no to independence in a leglly binding referendum and i keep hearing how Scotland dont want independence then in that case should be easy for the no side to win then unless the UK government chicken shit incase people have had enough and seen through the lies and broken promises lol Bait and switch! Well done Jade! I'm sure no one noticed
Nope i think you will find its my thread and i wont be gagged you wanna discuss things go right ahead and start your own thread
Why start a thread if you are too scared to answer any questions?
Pot and kettle i ddnt see you answer that
How many of you on here think the PM should refuse a section 30 order ?
I'm not in favour of referendum generally for the reasons I've often stated. However, in view of the SNP manifesto commitment, the material change to Scotland's position in Europe that BREXIT clearly represents and that Scotland didn't actually vote to leaving the EU; I think if Scotland actually wants another Indy ref it would be counterproductive to the Unionist cause not to give one. I also believe that the closer any Indy referendum is to BREXIT, with all the economic uncertainty that would bring, the less likely the Scottish people are actually to vote for it.
So if the SNP, any other Scot Nats or other right wing neo-nationalist movement really want more referendum then bring it on, we're ready for you this time.
The SNP didn't have enough votes to get a referendum through the Scottish parliament though, they had to rely on the Greens and the Greens didn't have a manifesto commitment to hold another referendum.
Look at you making excuses
You don’t get a referendum for free, you have to earn it. So if the Greens and the SNP – and the SSP or any of the other parties who’ve declared an interest in independence – get over the line and can make a coalition, make a majority, get the votes in the Parliament, then they’ll vote through a referendum, and that’s what democracy’s all about… it’s perfectly simple”
I believe all of what Ruth Davidson said in 2011 has been done
SNP declared an interest in having an independence referendum people in Scotland elected them on their manifesto that was the first part of the mandate
Then the debate and vote in Holyrood on the section 30 order passed 69-59 thats the mandate given to the Scottish government by parliament
democracy’s all about
You do understand in a new independence referendum you will be able to vote no again ? What are you afraid of ?
I'll state the fact again. The SNP didn't have enough votes for a referendum, they had to rely on the Greens and the Greens didn't have it in their manifesto.
There won't be another referendum and Sturgeon doesn't want one. Everything she's doing now is about keeping the the non-thinking indy supporters onside by pretending a referendum is just around the corner. Notice how the dates keep changing and then get rather vague."You seem afraid to have a referendum on independence lol what are you so afraid of ? So LandA you dont believe the SNP have a mandate from the people of Scotland ? Interesting then tell me in your opinion who does have a mandate in Scotland ? Also in Holyrood the section 30 order was democratically debated and voted on and you may not like it or agree but fact is it passed 69-59 hell all 6 Green msp's could have abstained and the vote would still have passed do your math and all unionist branches put together could only come up with 59 msps So the Scottish government have a mandate from the Scottish parliament on that section 30 order its not been handed in as yet as Nicola is trying to get the best deal and that is for Scotland and the UK to remain in the single market and customs union she never took independence off the table fact!!!!! The section 30 order is still with Nicola and if Scotland faces a hard brexit that legally Nicola has the right to hand that section 30 order to Whitehall and if they refuse it then they are dumb fucks and Scotland could have an independence referendum without the permission of Westminster and if a yes vote came back in the UK government would be in a very sticky ground as they would look stupid that they want to take the whole of the UK out on a non binding EU referendum but refuse to accept a non binding referndum on Scottish independence What next PM gonna send English police to Scotland to beat the shit of Scottish people ? You might as well get on aboard with having an independence referendum and you can vote no if you want if the no side are that cock that Scotland doesn't want independence hey should be an easy win for unionists then lol | |||
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"I'm not afraid, Sturgeon is. The polls show she'll lose and when you lose a referendum the right thing to do is to quit. Sturgeon doesn't want to give up her very highly paid job and all that comes with it. It's all about keeping people like you onside to keep her in power while she keeps putting off a referendum. The SNP are on the gravy train now and don't want to get off. Take Mhairi Black as an example, she complains that she hates going to Westminster, thinks it's useless and probably won't stand again. The Tories call a surprise election, Mhairi's bluff is called and suddenly she's campaigning again to get re-elected. " Right so if you believe Nicola is so afraid she will lose why has she not took it off the table ? Let me guess you shit excuse to keep us happy ? Lol She has been clear from the start the SNP have a mandate from the people and from parilament both were democratic votes Nicola said she wont hand in the section 30 order and will instead fight for Scotland and the UK to stay in the single market and avoid a hard brexit if a hard brexit is the outcome of the final brexit deal then Nicola will hand in the section 30 order and if refused by the UK goverment then legally the UK government have no power to stop a non binding referendum and if a yes vote comes in then it would make the UK government look lije right fannies to refuse to accept that result but think its fine to take the whole UK out of the EU on a non binding referndum good luck with that Thats why i am telling you its in the best interests of the UK government not to refuse that section 30 order and agree to it and state there case to fight for the UK to stay together But hey get the PM to block make her look fanny lol will be good to see hehe | |||
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"It's not difficult and I've already pointed out why she doesn't take it off the table, she has to keep banging on about the possibility of having one at some point down the line to keep people like you voting for her to keep her in power. If she said there won't be a referendum she'll lose the support from the hardcore nationalists. Some already have the knives out for her as they don't trust her on the issue. She's between a rock and a hard place, she has to keep people believing she'll have the referendum to keep them onside but knows that constantly talking about one also hardens opinion against her. It's why her approval ratings are terrible." knew that would be you go to answer lol She made it clear she will try and fight to keep Scotland and the UK in the single market if its a brexit then yes that section 30 order will be handed in Ok lets try this do you believe the PM should refuse and block a section 30 order ? | |||
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"It's not difficult and I've already pointed out why she doesn't take it off the table, she has to keep banging on about the possibility of having one at some point down the line to keep people like you voting for her to keep her in power. If she said there won't be a referendum she'll lose the support from the hardcore nationalists. Some already have the knives out for her as they don't trust her on the issue. She's between a rock and a hard place, she has to keep people believing she'll have the referendum to keep them onside but knows that constantly talking about one also hardens opinion against her. It's why her approval ratings are terrible. knew that would be you go to answer lol She made it clear she will try and fight to keep Scotland and the UK in the single market if its a brexit then yes that section 30 order will be handed in Ok lets try this do you believe the PM should refuse and block a section 30 order ? " So Nicola Sturgeon DOESN'T want full control over the decision made in Scotland, and DOESN'T want full control over taxes raised in Scotland | |||
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"It's funny how kinky says that the "people" decide if Scotland will be independent or not, yet they keep on talking about one politician giving a piece of paper to another politician!
Maybe kinky is finally figuring out how it really works? "The people of Scotland gave the SNP that mandate to have the right to hold an independence referendum then in the Scottish parliament they debated and voted on that section 30 order there is the mandate from the people and parliament We have already decided Scotland wants another independence referendum when the final brexit deal is known Then its upto the people of Scotland to decide if Scotland wants to become independent or not simple And for the love of god stop with the fucking ''They'' My wife is not on this thread i am | |||
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"It's not difficult and I've already pointed out why she doesn't take it off the table, she has to keep banging on about the possibility of having one at some point down the line to keep people like you voting for her to keep her in power. If she said there won't be a referendum she'll lose the support from the hardcore nationalists. Some already have the knives out for her as they don't trust her on the issue. She's between a rock and a hard place, she has to keep people believing she'll have the referendum to keep them onside but knows that constantly talking about one also hardens opinion against her. It's why her approval ratings are terrible. knew that would be you go to answer lol She made it clear she will try and fight to keep Scotland and the UK in the single market if its a brexit then yes that section 30 order will be handed in Ok lets try this do you believe the PM should refuse and block a section 30 order ? So Nicola Sturgeon DOESN'T want full control over the decision made in Scotland, and DOESN'T want full control over taxes raised in Scotland "Ok lets try this do you believe the PM should refuse and block a section 30 order ? Yeah ok whatever you say lol | |||
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"It's not difficult and I've already pointed out why she doesn't take it off the table, she has to keep banging on about the possibility of having one at some point down the line to keep people like you voting for her to keep her in power. If she said there won't be a referendum she'll lose the support from the hardcore nationalists. Some already have the knives out for her as they don't trust her on the issue. She's between a rock and a hard place, she has to keep people believing she'll have the referendum to keep them onside but knows that constantly talking about one also hardens opinion against her. It's why her approval ratings are terrible. knew that would be you go to answer lol She made it clear she will try and fight to keep Scotland and the UK in the single market if its a brexit then yes that section 30 order will be handed in Ok lets try this do you believe the PM should refuse and block a section 30 order ? So Nicola Sturgeon DOESN'T want full control over the decision made in Scotland, and DOESN'T want full control over taxes raised in Scotland
Ok lets try this do you believe the PM should refuse and block a section 30 order ?
Yeah ok whatever you say lol
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"It's not difficult and I've already pointed out why she doesn't take it off the table, she has to keep banging on about the possibility of having one at some point down the line to keep people like you voting for her to keep her in power. If she said there won't be a referendum she'll lose the support from the hardcore nationalists. Some already have the knives out for her as they don't trust her on the issue. She's between a rock and a hard place, she has to keep people believing she'll have the referendum to keep them onside but knows that constantly talking about one also hardens opinion against her. It's why her approval ratings are terrible. knew that would be you go to answer lol She made it clear she will try and fight to keep Scotland and the UK in the single market if its a brexit then yes that section 30 order will be handed in Ok lets try this do you believe the PM should refuse and block a section 30 order ? So Nicola Sturgeon DOESN'T want full control over the decision made in Scotland, and DOESN'T want full control over taxes raised in Scotland
Ok lets try this do you believe the PM should refuse and block a section 30 order ?
Yeah ok whatever you say lol
Staying in the single market requires paying a contribution, and accepting EU rules."Are yiu saying you dont want to stay in the single market ? | |||
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"It's not difficult and I've already pointed out why she doesn't take it off the table, she has to keep banging on about the possibility of having one at some point down the line to keep people like you voting for her to keep her in power. If she said there won't be a referendum she'll lose the support from the hardcore nationalists. Some already have the knives out for her as they don't trust her on the issue. She's between a rock and a hard place, she has to keep people believing she'll have the referendum to keep them onside but knows that constantly talking about one also hardens opinion against her. It's why her approval ratings are terrible. knew that would be you go to answer lol She made it clear she will try and fight to keep Scotland and the UK in the single market if its a brexit then yes that section 30 order will be handed in Ok lets try this do you believe the PM should refuse and block a section 30 order ? So Nicola Sturgeon DOESN'T want full control over the decision made in Scotland, and DOESN'T want full control over taxes raised in Scotland
Ok lets try this do you believe the PM should refuse and block a section 30 order ?
Yeah ok whatever you say lol
Staying in the single market requires paying a contribution, and accepting EU rules.
Are yiu saying you dont want to stay in the single market ? "No, I want to stay in the EU because I believe in pooling sovereignty. You however have said that you don't believe in it. You don't believe in Scotland pooling it with England Wales and NI, so why would you want to pool it with 27 other countries? | |||
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"It's not difficult and I've already pointed out why she doesn't take it off the table, she has to keep banging on about the possibility of having one at some point down the line to keep people like you voting for her to keep her in power. If she said there won't be a referendum she'll lose the support from the hardcore nationalists. Some already have the knives out for her as they don't trust her on the issue. She's between a rock and a hard place, she has to keep people believing she'll have the referendum to keep them onside but knows that constantly talking about one also hardens opinion against her. It's why her approval ratings are terrible. knew that would be you go to answer lol She made it clear she will try and fight to keep Scotland and the UK in the single market if its a brexit then yes that section 30 order will be handed in Ok lets try this do you believe the PM should refuse and block a section 30 order ? " She didn't really make it clear. She's had various positions on Brexit, at one point it changed a few times in the space of a fortnight. Also, people in Scotland want the same deal as the rest of the UK when it comes to Brexit, not a seperate one. | |||
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"It's not difficult and I've already pointed out why she doesn't take it off the table, she has to keep banging on about the possibility of having one at some point down the line to keep people like you voting for her to keep her in power. If she said there won't be a referendum she'll lose the support from the hardcore nationalists. Some already have the knives out for her as they don't trust her on the issue. She's between a rock and a hard place, she has to keep people believing she'll have the referendum to keep them onside but knows that constantly talking about one also hardens opinion against her. It's why her approval ratings are terrible. knew that would be you go to answer lol She made it clear she will try and fight to keep Scotland and the UK in the single market if its a brexit then yes that section 30 order will be handed in Ok lets try this do you believe the PM should refuse and block a section 30 order ? She didn't really make it clear. She's had various positions on Brexit, at one point it changed a few times in the space of a fortnight. Also, people in Scotland want the same deal as the rest of the UK when it comes to Brexit, not a seperate one." No i think you will find Nicola has been the only one thats been clear form the very start Really you honestly believe that if a hard brexit is the outcome for the UK which would then cost Scotland being £12 billion a year worse off and you think people in Scotland want that ? It comes back to unionists have no fucking clue on what solutions there is to make sure Scotland does not suffer that I gave you my solution which is independence i know you dont agree with me on my solution but at least i am giving you one while unionists sit back and willingly would accept £12 billion a year worse off in a hard brexit kinda nuts to accept damage to Scotland's economy just to keep Scotland in the UK So thats the price to keep Scotland in the UK for unionists accept 12 billion a year worse off | |||
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"It's not difficult and I've already pointed out why she doesn't take it off the table, she has to keep banging on about the possibility of having one at some point down the line to keep people like you voting for her to keep her in power. If she said there won't be a referendum she'll lose the support from the hardcore nationalists. Some already have the knives out for her as they don't trust her on the issue. She's between a rock and a hard place, she has to keep people believing she'll have the referendum to keep them onside but knows that constantly talking about one also hardens opinion against her. It's why her approval ratings are terrible. knew that would be you go to answer lol She made it clear she will try and fight to keep Scotland and the UK in the single market if its a brexit then yes that section 30 order will be handed in Ok lets try this do you believe the PM should refuse and block a section 30 order ? So Nicola Sturgeon DOESN'T want full control over the decision made in Scotland, and DOESN'T want full control over taxes raised in Scotland
Ok lets try this do you believe the PM should refuse and block a section 30 order ?
Yeah ok whatever you say lol
Staying in the single market requires paying a contribution, and accepting EU rules.
Are yiu saying you dont want to stay in the single market ?
No, I want to stay in the EU because I believe in pooling sovereignty. You however have said that you don't believe in it. You don't believe in Scotland pooling it with England Wales and NI, so why would you want to pool it with 27 other countries? "I said no such thing if your quote get it right you go find your evidence that i said i dont wanna be in the EU. I dont want Scotland to be part of the UK to get away from that Shite hole scumbag place called Westminster | |||
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"It's not difficult and I've already pointed out why she doesn't take it off the table, she has to keep banging on about the possibility of having one at some point down the line to keep people like you voting for her to keep her in power. If she said there won't be a referendum she'll lose the support from the hardcore nationalists. Some already have the knives out for her as they don't trust her on the issue. She's between a rock and a hard place, she has to keep people believing she'll have the referendum to keep them onside but knows that constantly talking about one also hardens opinion against her. It's why her approval ratings are terrible. knew that would be you go to answer lol She made it clear she will try and fight to keep Scotland and the UK in the single market if its a brexit then yes that section 30 order will be handed in Ok lets try this do you believe the PM should refuse and block a section 30 order ? So Nicola Sturgeon DOESN'T want full control over the decision made in Scotland, and DOESN'T want full control over taxes raised in Scotland
Ok lets try this do you believe the PM should refuse and block a section 30 order ?
Yeah ok whatever you say lol
Staying in the single market requires paying a contribution, and accepting EU rules.
Are yiu saying you dont want to stay in the single market ?
No, I want to stay in the EU because I believe in pooling sovereignty. You however have said that you don't believe in it. You don't believe in Scotland pooling it with England Wales and NI, so why would you want to pool it with 27 other countries?
I said no such thing if your quote get it right you go find your evidence that i said i dont wanna be in the EU.
I dont want Scotland to be part of the UK to get away from that Shite hole scumbag place called Westminster
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"I bet your all happy to see the money be wasted on fixing up Westminster and Buckingham Palace ? The English NHS is going to the shitters but no no fix up Westminster and Buckingham palace and give the mp's bonuses which the SNP have given to charity The NHS is probably going to the shitters to a large degree through gross mismanagement on such a spectacular level it would never been seen in this proportion in the private sector by passed what i said Are you all happy to see the money be wasted on fixing up Westminster and Buckingham Palace ? How much are you personally contributing towards this? No no answer the question" Yes, I'm fine with it. How much are you personally contributing towards this? | |||
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"I bet your all happy to see the money be wasted on fixing up Westminster and Buckingham Palace ? The English NHS is going to the shitters but no no fix up Westminster and Buckingham palace and give the mp's bonuses which the SNP have given to charity The NHS is probably going to the shitters to a large degree through gross mismanagement on such a spectacular level it would never been seen in this proportion in the private sector by passed what i said Are you all happy to see the money be wasted on fixing up Westminster and Buckingham Palace ? How much are you personally contributing towards this? No no answer the question Yes, I'm fine with it. How much are you personally contributing towards this?" Wow your fine to waste money that the tax payer will put into fixing these shit holes up ? Lol So the NHS is on his knees and you wanna hand over money to fix up shit holes lol | |||
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"I bet your all happy to see the money be wasted on fixing up Westminster and Buckingham Palace ? The English NHS is going to the shitters but no no fix up Westminster and Buckingham palace and give the mp's bonuses which the SNP have given to charity The NHS is probably going to the shitters to a large degree through gross mismanagement on such a spectacular level it would never been seen in this proportion in the private sector by passed what i said Are you all happy to see the money be wasted on fixing up Westminster and Buckingham Palace ? How much are you personally contributing towards this? No no answer the question Yes, I'm fine with it. How much are you personally contributing towards this? Wow your fine to waste money that the tax payer will put into fixing these shit holes up ? Lol So the NHS is on his knees and you wanna hand over money to fix up shit holes lol " Shit holes? This really shows you up for the nasty little parochial hate filled views you have. They are historic buildings and should be maintained. Can't think of many countries that would deliberately let such famous buildings fall into ruin. As for the NHS, I'm surprised you're banging on about it today given the SNP have just shut the RAH, despite Sturgeon's comments at the election that there were no plans to close it. In fact the local SNP MP still has an article on his website angrily slamming those who said it would close and accusing them of scaremongering http://www.paisleysmsp.org/bibby-slammed-over-rah-scaremongering/ So Sturgeon lies about it and the local MP's either stay silent (Mhairi Black) or accuse others of scaremongering. You're probably unaware of this as I'm assuming there hasn't been a Wings article on it yet. Also, we know why you won't mention what you're contributing | |||
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"I bet your all happy to see the money be wasted on fixing up Westminster and Buckingham Palace ? The English NHS is going to the shitters but no no fix up Westminster and Buckingham palace and give the mp's bonuses which the SNP have given to charity The NHS is probably going to the shitters to a large degree through gross mismanagement on such a spectacular level it would never been seen in this proportion in the private sector by passed what i said Are you all happy to see the money be wasted on fixing up Westminster and Buckingham Palace ? How much are you personally contributing towards this? No no answer the question Yes, I'm fine with it. How much are you personally contributing towards this? Wow your fine to waste money that the tax payer will put into fixing these shit holes up ? Lol So the NHS is on his knees and you wanna hand over money to fix up shit holes lol Shit holes? This really shows you up for the nasty little parochial hate filled views you have. They are historic buildings and should be maintained. Can't think of many countries that would deliberately let such famous buildings fall into ruin. As for the NHS, I'm surprised you're banging on about it today given the SNP have just shut the RAH, despite Sturgeon's comments at the election that there were no plans to close it. In fact the local SNP MP still has an article on his website angrily slamming those who said it would close and accusing them of scaremongering http://www.paisleysmsp.org/bibby-slammed-over-rah-scaremongering/ So Sturgeon lies about it and the local MP's either stay silent (Mhairi Black) or accuse others of scaremongering. You're probably unaware of this as I'm assuming there hasn't been a Wings article on it yet. Also, we know why you won't mention what you're contributing "Excuse me but thats my opinion Westminster and Buckingham palace are shit holes Yeah that really does show you up You go on about RAH shutting Well the Greater Glasgow and CLyde Hospital opened in 2015 and has a wonderful new Royal Hospital for Children Yet you want kids to stay in a clapped out old ward a few miles away instead of in this. That does say alot of about you I suppose you want kids to stay in old outdated Hospitals and schools ewwwwwww | |||
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"I bet your all happy to see the money be wasted on fixing up Westminster and Buckingham Palace ? The English NHS is going to the shitters but no no fix up Westminster and Buckingham palace and give the mp's bonuses which the SNP have given to charity The NHS is probably going to the shitters to a large degree through gross mismanagement on such a spectacular level it would never been seen in this proportion in the private sector by passed what i said Are you all happy to see the money be wasted on fixing up Westminster and Buckingham Palace ? How much are you personally contributing towards this? No no answer the question Yes, I'm fine with it. How much are you personally contributing towards this? Wow your fine to waste money that the tax payer will put into fixing these shit holes up ? Lol So the NHS is on his knees and you wanna hand over money to fix up shit holes lol Shit holes? This really shows you up for the nasty little parochial hate filled views you have. They are historic buildings and should be maintained. Can't think of many countries that would deliberately let such famous buildings fall into ruin. As for the NHS, I'm surprised you're banging on about it today given the SNP have just shut the RAH, despite Sturgeon's comments at the election that there were no plans to close it. In fact the local SNP MP still has an article on his website angrily slamming those who said it would close and accusing them of scaremongering http://www.paisleysmsp.org/bibby-slammed-over-rah-scaremongering/ So Sturgeon lies about it and the local MP's either stay silent (Mhairi Black) or accuse others of scaremongering. You're probably unaware of this as I'm assuming there hasn't been a Wings article on it yet. Also, we know why you won't mention what you're contributing "The rah hospital has not been closed its the kids ward that is being moved to a bigger and better hospital | |||
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The rah hospital has not been closed its the kids ward that is being moved to a bigger and better hospital "
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Excuse me but thats my opinion Westminster and Buckingham palace are shit holes
Yeah that really does show you up
You go on about RAH shutting
Well the Greater Glasgow and CLyde Hospital opened in 2015 and has a wonderful new Royal Hospital for Children
Yet you want kids to stay in a clapped out old ward a few miles away instead of in this. That does say alot of about you
I suppose you want kids to stay in old outdated Hospitals and schools ewwwwwww"No I want a first minister and local politicans who don't lie through their teeth when trying to get votes at election time. They lied about the closure claiming it wasn't happening. The locals didn't want the place closing and the local MP has been silent on the issue. Why did they lie? | |||
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Excuse me but thats my opinion Westminster and Buckingham palace are shit holes
Yeah that really does show you up
You go on about RAH shutting
Well the Greater Glasgow and CLyde Hospital opened in 2015 and has a wonderful new Royal Hospital for Children
Yet you want kids to stay in a clapped out old ward a few miles away instead of in this. That does say alot of about you
I suppose you want kids to stay in old outdated Hospitals and schools ewwwwwww
No I want a first minister and local politicans who don't lie through their teeth when trying to get votes at election time. They lied about the closure claiming it wasn't happening. The locals didn't want the place closing and the local MP has been silent on the issue.
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"It would appear someone has been listening to fanny baws Blair McDougall on RAH but didnt know it was the ward they moved kids into the new Greater Glasgow and Clyde Hospital How embarrassing lol Now what have we learned dont trust a unionist failed mp couldnt get elected lmao Don't know who Blair McDougall is, the news about this is all over the press. And I did know it's the childrens ward. So why did they lie when asked about it?" Of course you dont we believe you ? lol Ah the unionist press ? So again LandA are you really saying you want kids to be in an old ran down ward than to move them to the Greater Glasgow and Clyde Hospital ? Which is only few miles away ? http://www.nhsggc.org.uk/patients-and-visitors/main-hospital-sites/queen-elizabeth-university-hospital-campus/royal-hospital-for-children/# | |||
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"It would appear someone has been listening to fanny baws Blair McDougall on RAH but didnt know it was the ward they moved kids into the new Greater Glasgow and Clyde Hospital How embarrassing lol Now what have we learned dont trust a unionist failed mp couldnt get elected lmao" So we have the Yorkhill sick kids hospital (266 beds) moving to the New QE2 Childrens Hospital (256 beds) and now the colosure of RAH kids (20 beds). So 266 + 20 = 288 beds. Now 288 - 256 = 32 beds overall loss. 32/288 x 100 = 11.11% loss of beds. | |||
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"Dont believe the unionists on this thread I can 100% say the Royal Alexandra Hospital has not shut down stop fucking lying its now beyond sick that you are doing this to the NHS and kids for fuck sake All that has been done is the kids ward has moved to the New Greater Glasgow and Clyde hospital The Royal Alexandra Hospital ward 15 was not fit for purpose. There is no kids icu so they are not equipped for really sick kids Sotp playing games with this shite" Just because it hasn't got an kids icu doesn't mean its not fit for purpose. Plenty of kids have ill health that requires overnight hospitalization (tonsilectomy, limb injuries, etc) that do not need the facilities of a full icu. If a kid is that unwell then a paramedic triage would bypass RAH admit straight to QE2 kids. | |||
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"Dont believe the unionists on this thread I can 100% say the Royal Alexandra Hospital has not shut down stop fucking lying its now beyond sick that you are doing this to the NHS and kids for fuck sake All that has been done is the kids ward has moved to the New Greater Glasgow and Clyde hospital The Royal Alexandra Hospital ward 15 was not fit for purpose. There is no kids icu so they are not equipped for really sick kids Sotp playing games with this shite Just because it hasn't got an kids icu doesn't mean its not fit for purpose. Plenty of kids have ill health that requires overnight hospitalization (tonsilectomy, limb injuries, etc) that do not need the facilities of a full icu. If a kid is that unwell then a paramedic triage would bypass RAH admit straight to QE2 kids. " Ah right so keep kids in ward 15 in RAH when there is a newly build hospital that has kids ICU for the really sick kids I get it this is a game for unionists to play the SNP bad game even if it involves ill kids this is not game The kids are only being moved and RAH is not i repeat not being shut down the kids are being moved thats it Would you be Labour supporters by any chance ? As how many new hospitals did Labour build in Scotland and schools ? The SNP have put money in to build new ones that is safe and updated for anyones needs | |||
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"Dont believe the unionists on this thread I can 100% say the Royal Alexandra Hospital has not shut down stop fucking lying its now beyond sick that you are doing this to the NHS and kids for fuck sake All that has been done is the kids ward has moved to the New Greater Glasgow and Clyde hospital The Royal Alexandra Hospital ward 15 was not fit for purpose. There is no kids icu so they are not equipped for really sick kids Sotp playing games with this shite Just because it hasn't got an kids icu doesn't mean its not fit for purpose. Plenty of kids have ill health that requires overnight hospitalization (tonsilectomy, limb injuries, etc) that do not need the facilities of a full icu. If a kid is that unwell then a paramedic triage would bypass RAH admit straight to QE2 kids. Ah right so keep kids in ward 15 in RAH when there is a newly build hospital that has kids ICU for the really sick kids I get it this is a game for unionists to play the SNP bad game even if it involves ill kids this is not game The kids are only being moved and RAH is not i repeat not being shut down the kids are being moved thats it Would you be Labour supporters by any chance ? As how many new hospitals did Labour build in Scotland and schools ? The SNP have put money in to build new ones that is safe and updated for anyones needs " Hospitals built/refurbished by the Scottish Office on behalf of the Scottish people since the formation of the NHS until the ascention of your beloved SNP - all of them. There was life before 2007. | |||
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