FabSwingers.com forum: The Dangerous Lefty Progressives Thread

By *agermeister OP Man
over a year ago

Leeds

Hi and welcome. I've noticed that many Fabbers seem to be conservative with a small 'c', which is fine but it's not me.

Thought I'd create this space for Lefty/Feminist/Progressive types to discuss our brand of politics and talk general filth

A polite request - if you have opposing political views then please don't post looking for a fight, this isn't what this thread is about.

To get the ball rolling, let me ask, do your political beliefs directly influence your sexual behaviour?

Personally, I see Fabbing as anti establishment (sticking it to the Man, or in my case, the woman) and a way to self actualisation (no God's, no Masters etc)

Look forward to hearing from Fab Comrade's

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By *rsTrellisWoman
over a year ago

Cambridge

Hey fellow lefty.

I'm a liberal, tree-hugger, veggie, feminist, remainer, etc, etc.

If someone had massively opposing politics (and I knew about it) that might put me off. I feel very strongly about equality and, someone expressing misogynistic, racist of homophobic views, wouldn't be someone I'd want to fuck.

Of course my definition of prejudice might be different from someone else's. I accept it's subjective (but the sooner everyone accepts I'm right, the better!)

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

OP; I Think you'll find it pretty lonely in here TBH. I always thought of myself as being well to the right of centre politically but, after seeing the views of many on this site, I now feel only just right of Corbyn.

Good luck!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fellow lefty here but get ready for some silly responses

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm outing myself as a Guardian Reading left leaning liberal media type. Recently discovered some of my sexual tastes are far from right on tho. No hamsters were hurt though.

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By *agermeister OP Man
over a year ago

Leeds

Another question, do you actively try to discover someone's political views when starting to chat or do you just stick to filth? Would you still meet if they had opposing views?

I've never knowingly fucked a Tory. But I haven't been with a T-Girl either. Does that mean I won't? Who knows

Perhaps I could spread Socialism one fuck at a time? Like a virilant STD?

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By *rsTrellisWoman
over a year ago

Cambridge

"I'm outing myself as a Guardian Reading left leaning liberal media type. Recently discovered some of my sexual tastes are far from right on tho. No hamsters were hurt though."

Ha ha ha. I try not to over-analyse what I like in bed for fear of what it would reveal!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The pool of left leaning, single articulate male fabbers who like chubby middle aged women is vanishingly small. I have to be realistic or give up on a sex life.

I think I've collected the full set of Yorkshire based opera going fabsters though. I feel I should get a certificate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm outing myself as a Guardian Reading left leaning liberal media type. Recently discovered some of my sexual tastes are far from right on tho. No hamsters were hurt though.

Ha ha ha. I try not to over-analyse what I like in bed for fear of what it would reveal!"

Haha yes. Although being vehemently anti-racist whilst having a recently developed predilection for sex with black guys is, umm, a dichotomy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Probably fairly centreist politically....dull I know. But that in no-way reflects or influences my sexual habits or tastes.

Unless someone was far right(or left) in their politics AND tried to ram it down my throat...then it wouldn’t bother me either way.

Probably be a bit different with an FB or FWB type thing tho.... thankfully both current encumbered of that position present no such problem.

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By *rsTrellisWoman
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Another question, do you actively try to discover someone's political views when starting to chat or do you just stick to filth? Would you still meet if they had opposing views?

I've never knowingly fucked a Tory. But I haven't been with a T-Girl either. Does that mean I won't? Who knows

Perhaps I could spread Socialism one fuck at a time? Like a virilant STD?

I think that, through chatting and laughing through messages you find common ground. There have been two occasions when I've agreed with someone that we'll not talk about something (in one case politics and in another shooting) but neither of these guys was extreme - and both were hot so... y'know...

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By *rsTrellisWoman
over a year ago

Cambridge

"The pool of left leaning, single articulate male fabbers who like chubby middle aged women is vanishingly small. I have to be realistic or give up on a sex life.

I think I've collected the full set of Yorkshire based opera going fabsters though. I feel I should get a certificate."

I know one if you'd like a recommendation! Maybe that should be another thread - "recommend a fuck" - we discuss our criteria and send recommendations by PM!

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By *rsTrellisWoman
over a year ago

Cambridge

"I'm outing myself as a Guardian Reading left leaning liberal media type. Recently discovered some of my sexual tastes are far from right on tho. No hamsters were hurt though.

Ha ha ha. I try not to over-analyse what I like in bed for fear of what it would reveal!

Haha yes. Although being vehemently anti-racist whilst having a recently developed predilection for sex with black guys is, umm, a dichotomy.

I'm scared I'll get thrown out of the feminists for the stuff I like...

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By *ustJ0dieTV/TS
over a year ago

Burton on Trent

I'd never chat politics with a potential fuck. Quickest way to cock block.

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By *rsTrellisWoman
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Probably fairly centreist politically....dull I know. But that in no-way reflects or influences my sexual habits or tastes.

Unless someone was far right(or left) in their politics AND tried to ram it down my throat...then it wouldn’t bother me either way.

Probably be a bit different with an FB or FWB type thing tho.... thankfully both current encumbered of that position present no such problem."

Yes - it's preferable to avoid having anything forced down your throat...

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Those lefties are dangerous!

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By *agermeister OP Man
over a year ago

Leeds

"Those lefties are dangerous! "

My middle name is 'danger'

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By *organ and rob zombieCouple
over a year ago

bradford

Lefties here, veggies, remainers, dreadlocks, dreams of living in a remote off the grid gaf musician types

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Fellow lefty here but get ready for some silly responses "

Same here

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"Another question, do you actively try to discover someone's political views when starting to chat or do you just stick to filth? Would you still meet if they had opposing views?

I've never knowingly fucked a Tory. But I haven't been with a T-Girl either. Does that mean I won't? Who knows

Perhaps I could spread Socialism one fuck at a time? Like a virilant STD?

Bit of an enigma here, I am definitely deep in the socialist camp when it comes to economic, environmental and social issues but on defence, law and education my views are more aligned with those on the right, which can lead to some very interesting conversations with sexual partners.

I do not think I would ever knowingly bed a Nazi however if said hypothetical potential partner was Miss World or Mister Universe with Russell Howard's sense of humour and brand of silly or Ian Hislop's cutting satirical wit then I will admit I am definitely shallow enough to park my ideals and jump into bed with them...

The same is true if they possessed the talents or voice of my musical heroes both male and female...

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"The pool of left leaning, single articulate male fabbers who like chubby middle aged women is vanishingly small. I have to be realistic or give up on a sex life.

I think I've collected the full set of Yorkshire based opera going fabsters though. I feel I should get a certificate."
Extend your age limit, hop on the M62 cross the Pennines to Manchester and you can have me!

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

i lay in the land of the centre-left...... not right enough to be with may, not left enough to be corbyn.... although closer to corbyn than may!

i read the guardian, i own a prius...

think that makes me "tree hugging hippy" than commie!!!!

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

*Insert "fuck your thread" Anarchist post here*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I once had on my profile that I wouldn't fuck a tory. It made no difference to the number messages I got. It stayed at zero.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Meat eating libertarian.

Freedom of personal choice in all matters

Pro equality therefore anti-feminist

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Green but not liberal and not left.

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By *rsTrellisWoman
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Meat eating libertarian.

Freedom of personal choice in all matters

Pro equality therefore anti-feminist

I’m not sure how pro-equality = anti-feminist.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"Meat eating libertarian.

Freedom of personal choice in all matters

Pro equality therefore anti-feminist

This topic was started by the OP for 'lefty/progressive/feminist types'.

How about respecting that and not trying to take it off topic?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Meat eating libertarian.

Freedom of personal choice in all matters

Pro equality therefore anti-feminist

I’m not sure how pro-equality = anti-feminist. "

It makes a perverse kind of sense if you define feminism as being about women "getting one over" on men.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"Another question, do you actively try to discover someone's political views when starting to chat or do you just stick to filth? Would you still meet if they had opposing views?

I've never knowingly fucked a Tory. But I haven't been with a T-Girl either. Does that mean I won't? Who knows

Perhaps I could spread Socialism one fuck at a time? Like a virilant STD?

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What as sex got to do with politics,I might not marry someone with totally opposite views but do not discuss politics when meeting here

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"Meat eating libertarian.

Freedom of personal choice in all matters

Pro equality therefore anti-feminist

I am with you on this. There is no such thing as positive discrimination, be it on sex, religion or ethnic background, as soon as you discriminate regardless of the justification you exclude some of society and that is just wrong.

I would like to live in a meritocracy with ethical socialism at its core.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Meat eating libertarian.

Freedom of personal choice in all matters

Pro equality therefore anti-feminist

This topic was started by the OP for 'lefty/progressive/feminist types'.

How about respecting that and not trying to take it off topic?

"
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Yes don't derail our little club of bullshit?.

The problem with being left wing, and I mean left wing, not Tony Blair, is that the very few start out with great intentions and this "belief" that everybody wants what they want and when this fails, which it always does because everybodys different,a whole new progressive bunch lurking behind the lines moves in, and there the type who quite frankly you read on here alot, there my way or the highway type, quite willing to hack down and kill everybody who disagrees with them, it's historically proven that if you really really wanna butcher as many people as possible, left wing politics is for you!.

And what's more, they always deny it was their intentions from the outset.

I am left wing and I'm not hypocritical, there's many I would kill for the greater good

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"it's historically proven that if you really really wanna butcher as many people as possible, left wing politics is for you!.

And what's more, they always deny it was their intentions from the outset.

I am left wing and I'm not hypocritical, there's many I would kill for the greater good

That is not true, in fact that could not be further from the truth. Autocratic dictatorships (that includes absolute monarchies and theocracies) are the biggest killers probably followed by unregulated capitalism (but it would not surprise me to find that unregulated capitalism has or will shortly overtake dictatorships as the biggest killer. In fact I would go as far as to say that for the most part socialism and ethical socialism in particular (which is what the green movement is based on) is the only political force for good in the world.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am left wing and I'm not hypocritical, there's many I would kill for the greater good

Honestly, I doubt the second half of that sentence has anything to do with the first.

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By *rsTrellisWoman
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Meat eating libertarian.

Freedom of personal choice in all matters

Pro equality therefore anti-feminist

I’m not sure how pro-equality = anti-feminist.

It makes a perverse kind of sense if you define feminism as being about women "getting one over" on men."

Yes that’s true. If you wrongly-define feminism it makes complete sense.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Meat eating libertarian.

Freedom of personal choice in all matters

Pro equality therefore anti-feminist

I’m not sure how pro-equality = anti-feminist.

It makes a perverse kind of sense if you define feminism as being about women "getting one over" on men."

That's a tiny part of it but its too complicated to go into here in the spirit of not derrailing. My reasons are mostly hypocrisy, confusion within the movement and the iatogenics of genderwarfare. Be a lover not a fighter (whacktivist). Inclusive not divisive.

I'm left leaning (but free thinking) and entitled to my nuanced opinion, right?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Meat eating libertarian.

Freedom of personal choice in all matters

Pro equality therefore anti-feminist

I’m not sure how pro-equality = anti-feminist.

It makes a perverse kind of sense if you define feminism as being about women "getting one over" on men.

Yes that’s true. If you wrongly-define feminism it makes complete sense.

I think its the token followers that buy the misdefinitions.

Clever marketing of apparently good intentions.

There are at least a few feminists who have suddenly softened their misandrist overtones to make themselves more mainsteam and PC with rising media exposure.

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By *rsTrellisWoman
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Meat eating libertarian.

Freedom of personal choice in all matters

Pro equality therefore anti-feminist

I’m not sure how pro-equality = anti-feminist.

It makes a perverse kind of sense if you define feminism as being about women "getting one over" on men.

Yes that’s true. If you wrongly-define feminism it makes complete sense.

I think its the token followers that buy the misdefinitions.

Clever marketing of apparently good intentions.

There are at least a few feminists who have suddenly softened their misandrist overtones to make themselves more mainsteam and PC with rising media exposure.

To judge a movement on its extremists is a way of justifying throwing the baby out with the bathwater surely.

“Some feminists hold extreme anti-male views”. Sure. But that doesn’t mean that feminism itself is unfounded or anti-equality. It’s needed as much now as ever.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It always amazes me how quickly those that believe they are on the left and progressive go so far to the right when they type they fall off the edge.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Meat eating libertarian.

Freedom of personal choice in all matters

Pro equality therefore anti-feminist

I’m not sure how pro-equality = anti-feminist.

It makes a perverse kind of sense if you define feminism as being about women "getting one over" on men.

Yes that’s true. If you wrongly-define feminism it makes complete sense.

I think its the token followers that buy the misdefinitions.

Clever marketing of apparently good intentions.

There are at least a few feminists who have suddenly softened their misandrist overtones to make themselves more mainsteam and PC with rising media exposure.

To judge a movement on its extremists is a way of justifying throwing the baby out with the bathwater surely.

“Some feminists hold extreme anti-male views”. Sure. But that doesn’t mean that feminism itself is unfounded or anti-equality. It’s needed as much now as ever. "

Nah not really...they are also the most active, zealous, careerist and sadly influential.

Wholesome things do not have elements of rot at the core.

What is needed is a holistic and realistic approach to equal opportunity for all....it's more about book sales and clever marketing by big brands jumping on the bandwagon these days as it is about creating human progress these days.

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By *rsTrellisWoman
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Meat eating libertarian.

Freedom of personal choice in all matters

Pro equality therefore anti-feminist

I’m not sure how pro-equality = anti-feminist.

It makes a perverse kind of sense if you define feminism as being about women "getting one over" on men.

Yes that’s true. If you wrongly-define feminism it makes complete sense.

I think its the token followers that buy the misdefinitions.

Clever marketing of apparently good intentions.

There are at least a few feminists who have suddenly softened their misandrist overtones to make themselves more mainsteam and PC with rising media exposure.

To judge a movement on its extremists is a way of justifying throwing the baby out with the bathwater surely.

“Some feminists hold extreme anti-male views”. Sure. But that doesn’t mean that feminism itself is unfounded or anti-equality. It’s needed as much now as ever.

Nah not really...they are also the most active, zealous, careerist and sadly influential.

Wholesome things do not have elements of rot at the core.

I wonder which movements or institutions would survive this cull. Can you think of any?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Probably few but movements are generally superflous

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By *rsTrellisWoman
over a year ago

Cambridge

"What is needed is a holistic and realistic approach to equal opportunity for all....

Sounds a bit like a movement... or at least something that would need a movement to get it off the ground.

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By *agermeister OP Man
over a year ago

Leeds

I appreciate we have different, nuanced views guys and girls but can we all keep it calm and respectful?

This is a place to make friends, not a cage fight. So play nice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What is needed is a holistic and realistic approach to equal opportunity for all....

Sounds a bit like a movement... or at least something that would need a movement to get it off the ground.

Its my ambition for feminism part 5 when they disband and rebrand

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Meat eating libertarian.

Freedom of personal choice in all matters

Pro equality therefore anti-feminist

I’m not sure how pro-equality = anti-feminist.

It makes a perverse kind of sense if you define feminism as being about women "getting one over" on men.

I'm left leaning (but free thinking) and entitled to my nuanced opinion, right?"

"All these people from different walks of life the world over are bad because I have decided it is thus" is not a nuanced opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For a liberal kinda guy you seem very uptight John.

Relax

Smile

Breath

Think

Get an opinion of your own

Contribute

Be positive

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For a liberal kinda guy you seem very uptight John.

Relax

Smile

Breath

Think

Get an opinion of your own

Contribute

Be positive "

Have a wee chat with yourself there and ask yourself if this fits in with your earlier claim that you didn't want to derail things.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The only person I see derailing is you John. I gave my opinion and you decided to attack it and not really contribute to the thread. Bitter.

On a more positive note, I've started reading ”the ethical slut” and ”economics for the common good”.

Should be interesting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The only person I see derailing is you John. I gave my opinion and you decided to attack it and not really contribute to the thread. Bitter.

If you didn't want your opinion to be open to criticism, why post it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Constructive vs empty criticism

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Constructive vs empty criticism "

As you should know, you don't get to dictate that the responses you receive are only ones that are palatable to you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'll let you redeem yourself.

Maybe you can take a thought experiment. If a person genuinely interested in promoting equality fell under the influence of a group that do some good but have card carrying misogynists in their ranks...what would you think or do?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'll let you redeem yourself.

I'm not interested.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"I'll let you redeem yourself.

You do seem to pend an awful lot of your time worrying about those women gaining the upper hand on poor, beleagured menfolk.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's more about distraction from other forms of inequality and an overall strain on society through divisive politics

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"It's more about distraction from other forms of inequality and an overall strain on society through divisive politics "

Distraction?

It's possible to hold numerous thoughts in your head at any given moment in time, you know.

I think you are worried that if women do gain an "upper hand", if they do treat men even half as badly was we have treated them over the centuries, we are in trouble....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Divisiveness as a criticism of any civil rights movement is an old trick, MLK correctly identified it his letters from Birmingham jail as someone "who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice".

Plus ça change...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What change? Have you decided what you want?

Global poverty or even class disparity beat an exaggerated pay gap anyday.

At Jim ..it's true that some want retribution for the past. Far removed from ideals of equality!

AC Grayling has a good piece on the problems with that approach that I must dig out.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

It's nice that the wishes of the OP are being ignored in favour of the same old shit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What change? Have you decided what you want?

Global poverty or even class disparity beat an exaggerated pay gap anyday.

At Jim ..it's true that some want retribution for the past. Far removed from ideals of equality!

AC Grayling has a good piece on the problems with that approach that I must dig out. "

If the problem with feminism has no goals,then why would you chide your imagined feminists for having goals that you believe are "Far removed from ideals of equality".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The National Socialist German Workers Party..... sounds like a good idea written down like that?

But check your history books to see what happened to this socialist party.....!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The National Socialist German Workers Party..... sounds like a good idea written down like that?

But check your history books to see what happened to this socialist party.....!"

Is the twist that they weren't socialists at all?

Because that's some J.J Abrams level stuff right there.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"The National Socialist German Workers Party..... sounds like a good idea written down like that?

But check your history books to see what happened to this socialist party.....!"

If you think the Nazis were in any way "socialist" because Hitler deliberately incorporated the term as a ploy to get votes (to replace DAP), then you are an idiot.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"Meat eating libertarian.

Freedom of personal choice in all matters

Pro equality therefore anti-feminist

This topic was started by the OP for 'lefty/progressive/feminist types'.

How about respecting that and not trying to take it off topic?

Yes don't derail our little club of bullshit?.

And what's more, they always deny it was their intentions from the outset.

I am left wing and I'm not hypocritical, there's many I would kill for the greater good

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An honest lefty at least,not many of you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The National Socialist German Workers Party..... sounds like a good idea written down like that?

But check your history books to see what happened to this socialist party.....!

If you think the Nazis were in any way "socialist" because Hitler deliberately incorporated the term as a ploy to get votes (to replace DAP), then you are an idiot. "

Did I say that anywhere? Hitler and the nazis basically hijacked the party. An extremist group took over and twisted the party completely. I was just pointing out that words can often be misleading....particularly if twisted by an extreme group infiltrating a party.....

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"Did I say that anywhere? Hitler and the nazis basically hijacked the party. An extremist group took over and twisted the party completely. I was just pointing out that words can often be misleading....particularly if twisted by an extreme group infiltrating a party....."

Agreed.

Funny thing is (and this is true for all political movements) the smaller the activist core the more radical the movement will be and the more it will alienate and drive out its more moderate elements while embracing more radical and extremist policies.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I'm fairly open minded and lean towards understanding and compassion for others - often traits that are absent in the cons.

Very committed to a green agenda.

I'd struggle with a right wing zealot spouting vile hate on a meet - it would have to mean gimp mask or immediately dispatched.

Would you like extreme political views listed on profiles, such as by color coding?

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By *agermeister OP Man
over a year ago

Leeds

"It's nice that the wishes of the OP are being ignored in favour of the same old shit. "

Yup

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agreed.

I'd disagree, a focused core is exactly what you want if you want to achieve anything.

The oft repeated truism that said core becomes "radical" or "extremist" is really just a coded way of saying that it has made that most useless of creatures, the centrist, uncomfortable.

And well, that's usually a good thing.

This doesn't hold universally true, obviously, but it's the case more often than not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A lot of vague generalisations there.

What are we calling a left wing core, Antifa?

I'm a pacifist so I can't get behind that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's nice that the wishes of the OP are being ignored in favour of the same old shit.

Yup

I'm sticking to the program and discussing my brand of leftist politics, an uncommon brand for uncommon thinkers.

I'm a would be feminist who hates the carry-on of modern feminism...consumerist, first world biased , individualistic ,anti-equality for all just for some (e g. protests at male rights talks, tweets about killing men, only cites women as idols...you know the type ).

Our principles may align but we disagree in practice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What are we calling a left wing core, Antifa?

Given that at no point did I make any mention of this being an exclusively left wing phenomenon, why bother even asking that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Because I'm interested in the answer and trying to figure out what you are saying...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can we officially hijack this thread now.The op doesn't seemed bothered about.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Because I'm interested in the answer and trying to figure out what you are saying...

What I've said is plain.

I'm not indulging in your proclivity for rushing to scream antifa at people whose opinions are not aligned with your own.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Now I'm confused. You were saying that Antifa are ”awesome” recently, right?

Is there a strong small core currently? Or how do you envisage it?

I'm trying to have a constructive conversation here btw

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Now I'm confused. You were saying that Antifa are ”awesome” recently, right?

Is there a strong small core currently? Or how do you envisage it?

I'm trying to have a constructive conversation here btw "

No. You're not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Build a bridge man. Let's try find some common ground.

What does everyone else think of Antifa seeing as it is the dangerous lefty thread?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm in the minority no duobt,but anyone who puts an elbow in the face of Nazis gives me a boner.. They're awesome

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm in the minority no duobt,but anyone who puts an elbow in the face of Nazis gives me a boner.. They're awesome

I especially like how they're the newest boogyman for conservatives.

Milk's gone sour - that's Antifa

Sock's gone missing - that's Antifa

Mistaking loss of privilege, in order to create the equality that they claim to want, for oppression - you better believe that's Antifa.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"I'm in the minority no duobt,but anyone who puts an elbow in the face of Nazis gives me a boner.. They're awesome

As one of the previous threads established, you aren't alone in this.

Hating Nazis is only "controversial" for a tiny minority on here....

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"A lot of vague generalisations there.

What are we calling a left wing core, Antifa?

I'm a pacifist so I can't get behind that. "

Either your a Fascist or your an Anti-Fascist, there is no middle ground. As far as Fascists are concerned if you are not with them you are a traitor and the enemy.

Antifa is made up of everyone who is not a fascist regardless of anything else. So when the Trumpster was going on about antifa he was in effect declaring himself to be a fascist, but considering he is on record as saying that the innocent black men falsely convicted of r@pe should never have been released sort of gave away his real race views.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm in the minority no duobt,but anyone who puts an elbow in the face of Nazis gives me a boner.. They're awesome

I especially like how they're the newest boogyman for conservatives.

Milk's gone sour - that's Antifa

Sock's gone missing - that's Antifa

Mistaking loss of privilege, in order to create the equality that they claim to want, for oppression - you better believe that's Antifa.

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Same and old bullshit from the right it was the Communists before hiding under your bed and then it was the hippies and the civil rights movement.Now its antifa.

Kids that want to fuck up white supremacists.I wanna give them all a hug.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A lot of vague generalisations there.

What are we calling a left wing core, Antifa?

I'm a pacifist so I can't get behind that.

Either your a Fascist or your an Anti-Fascist, there is no middle ground. As far as Fascists are concerned if you are not with them you are a traitor and the enemy.

And there was the whole central park five thing (unless that's what you're referring to)

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"And there was the whole central park five thing (unless that's what you're referring to)"

Yep...

Their the guys Trump thinks should never have been let out of prison...

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By *agermeister OP Man
over a year ago

Leeds

"Can we officially hijack this thread now.The op doesn't seemed bothered about.

Still here mate

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By *agermeister OP Man
over a year ago

Leeds

So anyway my name is Ryan, I'm a feminist and I like tying women up and fucking them in the ass.

Discuss.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So anyway my name is Ryan, I'm a feminist and I like tying women up and fucking them in the ass.

Discuss.

Exclusively in the ass or.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hey fellow lefty.

I'm a liberal, tree-hugger, veggie, feminist, remainer, etc, etc.

Of course my definition of prejudice might be different from someone else's. I accept it's subjective (but the sooner everyone accepts I'm right, the better!)

I tend to try and judge people as individuals. I'm far more lefty than right wing, but I do also agree with a lot of scholarly views from people like Jordan Peterson.

It just depends on how quickly you consider a difference of opinion to be flat out sexism or racism etc.

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By *agermeister OP Man
over a year ago

Leeds

"So anyway my name is Ryan, I'm a feminist and I like tying women up and fucking them in the ass.

Discuss.

Exclusively in the ass or....."

All depends on them.

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By *rsTrellisWoman
over a year ago

Cambridge

My feminism is rooted in equality. I like men. I want men to be happy. I hate seeing men I love struggle with lack of confidence or with mental illness. I’m raising boys to be the best that they can be. To be kind, strong, compassionate, wonderful men.

And I love women. I want women to be equal. To have the same chances. To be safe. And it’s the safety one that really gets me. I look at my daughter and I know there's one in four chance she’ll be a victim of domestic violence, a high chance she’ll be a victim of sexual violence and, less extremely, she’ll have less chance of holding a high office, be taken less seriously in meetings, have her body and her clothes judged harshly.

I want nothing but good things for my sons and nothing but good things for my daughter. My feminism is about recognising the horrors reserved for women and girls as a problem for all of us to solve. They aren’t the world’s only horrors but that doesn’t invalidate them. My feminism is about refusing to accept these things and about hoping that the good people (men and women) take responsibility for the abuse and marginalisation of women and girls and say “enough”.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"It's nice that the wishes of the OP are being ignored in favour of the same old shit.

Yup

I'm sticking to the program and discussing my brand of leftist politics, an uncommon brand for uncommon thinkers.

Oh dear, check the ego on you. You're not remotely a leftist, and your take on feminism is not remotely uncommon. Poke the average Daily Mail reader and they'd come out with exactly the same stuff.

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By *agermeister OP Man
over a year ago

Leeds

"My feminism is rooted in equality. I like men. I want men to be happy. I hate seeing men I love struggle with lack of confidence or with mental illness. I’m raising boys to be the best that they can be. To be kind, strong, compassionate, wonderful men.

Beautiful post.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Well said..

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By *agermeister OP Man
over a year ago

Leeds

Just thought I'd ask the question, why do you think many Fabbers are towards the right of the political spectrum? I find it difficult to fathom. Free Love or whatever you want to call it, where we aren't constrained by the mores of society and church has always been anti establishment, anarchistic even.

But do Fabbers have a philosophy? Is it just about fun? In which case Fabbing can be seen as a selfish pursuit more in keeping with right wing mindsets, maybe.

Love to know what people think.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At a guess, the age profile on fan trends a little older, with the mean probably somewhere in the late thirties.

Given that, I'd say it's to be expected that their politics would be more to the right as a result.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's institutionalised sexism, your son has a bloody good chance of being a victim of domestic abuse, we rationalise that is less of a problem because he's "male" though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm also sceptical about one in four but that another debate.

Career feminists would work in academia as social ”scientists” are prone to some creative license in their ”research” which is then peer reviewed by a tight group with shared agendas.

I just want fairness for all, and the truth without the spin.

Do we women have less chance or less motivation to hold high office?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Putting quotation marks around words doesn't denigrate the people and the work they do as much as you'd think it does.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"At a guess, the age profile on fan trends a little older, with the mean probably somewhere in the late thirties.

Given that, I'd say it's to be expected that their politics would be more to the right as a result.

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Because the older you get the more bitter you become?.

I dunno myself,I think fab is very left wing or at least the left wing are alot more vocal at least.

I don't like identify politics anyhow so I'd rather not go down the line of clumping folks together who use a website for sex..... Besides if we did you'd probably be our spokesmen coz your loud and gobby and constantly on and that would give everybody else the wrong idea about the community in general

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Because the older you get the more bitter you become?.

No, that's stupid.

Generally speaking people's political leanings get solidified in and around their early to mid 20's, and usually stay there.

But a decade or two later, the overton window will have shifted, so what might have been a fairly liberal person will slowly move to the centre, and then to the right as society moves on without them.

Were they unfortunate enough to start out on the right, well... I guess every family needs a egregiously racist windbag who thinks they're "telling it like it is".

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By *rsTrellisWoman
over a year ago

Cambridge

Being “sceptical” about the one-in-four-women-will-experience-domestic-abuse stat and telling me “men can be victims too” doesn’t change my point.

Women are, disproportionately, massively more likely to be victims of domestic abuse and sexual abuse. This is found over and over again, throughout the world. Two women each week in the UK are killed by a partner or former partner.

This doesn’t mean men can’t be victims. It doesn’t mean it isn’t extremely serious when they are. It just means that they aren’t victims anything like as often. When something massively, disproportionately, affects one group, we have to recognise that and consider why.

Now I love a good debate. But this feels a little more like goading than debate. I’m making points, citing stats, and have relevant personal and extensive professional experience. But the points being made in return include:

- there’s a feminist conspiracy in academia

- people make this stuff up to sell books

- it’s clever marketing

- it’s big brands jumping on the bandwagon

- “motherhood and apple pie” statements without any substance like “I just want fairness for all and the truth without the spin”.

- partial sentences or vague aspirations which aren’t expanded upon:

* “inclusive not divisive”

* “we need a holistic approach to equality for all” (which doesn’t mean anything)

* and, my favourite, “movements are generally superfluous”

The things I’ve said are sound, research-based, and clear and explained. The things coming back are vague, unsubstantiated, and without substance.

I’m happy to engage in a conversation where we discuss feminism, sexism, domestic abuse, sexual abuse etc. I’m happy to discuss men’s roles in these issues as perpetrators and as victims.

But although “superflash”, is posting prolifically against each point I make, this isn’t a conversation and nothing of substance has been said. The points thrown back have been:

Ad hominem - attack the characters not the points (some feminists are bad therefore none of the points stand)

Generalisations - some feminists want to sell books therefore all conspire to create research that will sell books

Composition - where you attribute characteristics of part to the whole. The usual example is “atoms are invisible and the wall is made of atoms so the wall is invisible”. Some feminists are anti men therefore all are anti-male.

“Straw man” - arguing against a point that no one is promoting. “Some want retribution for the past. Far removed from the ideals of equality”.

Non-sequitur - arguments which do not logically follow previous statements.

So if people have questions or comments about anything I’ve said I’ll be happy to have a conversation. I’m interested in other opinions. I’m interested in the role of politics in sex. If we want to move things on to the anal-sex-while-tied-up discussion, I’m in!

But as for responding to any more vacuous, conspiracy theorising, ill-explained, pronouncements. I’m not sure I can be arsed.

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By *rsTrellisWoman
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Because the older you get the more bitter you become?.

No, that's stupid.

Generally speaking people's political leanings get solidified in and around their early to mid 20's, and usually stay there.

Were they unfortunate enough to start out on the right, well... I guess every family needs a egregiously racist windbag who thinks they're "telling it like it is"."

This is interesting.

You’re right that, some of what we perceive as prejudiced and extreme, was widely accepted in previous decades. Like a widely held view in the 1950s that homosexuality was an illness (can’t be bothered to find the source at the mo). From memory, 95% of the population of the UK held that view.

Anti-gay views remain more prevalent in older people and some of the population-wide changing attitudes aren’t due to individual people’s opinions changing, but are due to the generations which hold those views dying.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"Being “sceptical” about the one-in-four-women-will-experience-domestic-abuse stat and telling me “men can be victims too” doesn’t change my point.