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"I have been thinking about it and my position has very much changed. I still think the decision made (in the Brexit referendum) will be the dumbest act of self-harm that any group of people have ever chosen to subject themselves to and as a country. That said, I think that the referendum was so divisive and so full of hatred and anger that another round of lies, anger and probable violence will split this country so far apart that it will take generations to recover. The divisions are so bad already because of the first ill thought out and badly formed referendum that the thought of another one - to me - is abhorrent. The question is then?..... If there is not to be a second referendum, how do those of us who want to avoid the folly of Brexit work to stop it?" bloody hell you were one of the worst offender on here when it came to hatred and name calling was you who called brexitiers traitors and racists you need to give your head a shake mate iv pulled you in this a number of times wtf lol | |||
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"I have been thinking about it and my position has very much changed. I still think the decision made (in the Brexit referendum) will be the dumbest act of self-harm that any group of people have ever chosen to subject themselves to and as a country. That said, I think that the referendum was so divisive and so full of hatred and anger that another round of lies, anger and probable violence will split this country so far apart that it will take generations to recover. The divisions are so bad already because of the first ill thought out and badly formed referendum that the thought of another one - to me - is abhorrent. The question is then?..... If there is not to be a second referendum, how do those of us who want to avoid the folly of Brexit work to stop it? bloody hell you were one of the worst offender on here when it came to hatred and name calling was you who called brexitiers traitors and racists you need to give your head a shake mate iv pulled you in this a number of times wtf lol" ...Spot on. | |||
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"I agree. I was upset by the outcome but accept it is going to happen. The only question on the ballot paper was whether to stay or leave the EU. The country was hopelessly split. Probably even more so now. The problem is how it's being interpreted as a winner-takes-all outcome. Except the winner can't even agree what that looks like. A wiser political leadership would have sought a more consensual exit in the national interest, rather than the current shambles (which, I suspect, is caused by conflating the interests of the Tory Party with the interests of the country). Norway had a referendum on joining the EU. The split was very similar, a small majority against. The consensual outcome was to join the single market as a non-member. I've seen no evidence here of any leader trying to heal the wounds and reconcile the split in the country. It's desperately needed. " I don't think reconciliation will ever happen if brexit doesn't deliver what was promised. I fear the riots of the 70's will return. However if it's a success, a quick success then it will get better. Which option will prevail? | |||
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"I have been thinking about it and my position has very much changed. I still think the decision made (in the Brexit referendum) will be the dumbest act of self-harm that any group of people have ever chosen to subject themselves to and as a country. That said, I think that the referendum was so divisive and so full of hatred and anger that another round of lies, anger and probable violence will split this country so far apart that it will take generations to recover. The divisions are so bad already because of the first ill thought out and badly formed referendum that the thought of another one - to me - is abhorrent. The question is then?..... If there is not to be a second referendum, how do those of us who want to avoid the folly of Brexit work to stop it?" I agree with you. In fact I reached your conclusion long before we even had the opportunity to vote in a referendum. That is why I voted out, and why I keep pointing out how much we are about to be fucked! Of course it is also why the real brexiteers ignore the fact that I continually point out I voted out because we are toxic to the EU and the truth of that can be seen in how meany brexiteers do not just want to withdraw from the EU but want and are actively seeking its total destruction. My only real concern is that the government of the day will mortgage our grandchildren's and great-grandchildren's futures in order to slow down the consequences of brexit so they can abrogate their responsibility and then blame their successors, and that most brexiteers will believe them. In fact I can see this whole process degenerating into a civil war that could well further degenerate into another pan-European conflict. | |||
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" bloody hell you were one of the worst offender on here when it came to hatred and name calling was you who called brexitiers traitors and racists you need to give your head a shake mate iv pulled you in this a number of times wtf lol" How is calling people who are traitors, traitors and people who are racists, racists in any way hateful? There is nothing hateful about reminding people that the referendum was mainly decided on the immigration question and that anyone who is wantonly planning the economic destruction of their country is a traitor. It is not my fault if that cap fits many Brexiters. | |||
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"I agree. I was upset by the outcome but accept it is going to happen. The only question on the ballot paper was whether to stay or leave the EU. The country was hopelessly split. Probably even more so now. The problem is how it's being interpreted as a winner-takes-all outcome. Except the winner can't even agree what that looks like. A wiser political leadership would have sought a more consensual exit in the national interest, rather than the current shambles (which, I suspect, is caused by conflating the interests of the Tory Party with the interests of the country). Norway had a referendum on joining the EU. The split was very similar, a small majority against. The consensual outcome was to join the single market as a non-member. I've seen no evidence here of any leader trying to heal the wounds and reconcile the split in the country. It's desperately needed. " norways referendum had clear outcomes which ever way they voted. Brexit was a case of asking *do you want McDonald’s for tea, or not* rather than *maccy ds or KFC’s*. Where i suspect we get to is all those who wanted a pub lunch. Or a home cooked meal. Or fish n chips. Or all the other options they decided they were voting for, will feel more disillusioned than they already are. | |||
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"I have been thinking about it and my position has very much changed. I still think the decision made (in the Brexit referendum) will be the dumbest act of self-harm that any group of people have ever chosen to subject themselves to and as a country. That said, I think that the referendum was so divisive and so full of hatred and anger that another round of lies, anger and probable violence will split this country so far apart that it will take generations to recover. The divisions are so bad already because of the first ill thought out and badly formed referendum that the thought of another one - to me - is abhorrent. The question is then?..... If there is not to be a second referendum, how do those of us who want to avoid the folly of Brexit work to stop it? bloody hell you were one of the worst offender on here when it came to hatred and name calling was you who called brexitiers traitors and racists you need to give your head a shake mate iv pulled you in this a number of times wtf lol" I think the OP's default position is just to automatically disagree with anything Nigel Farage says. Farage says he's open to the idea of another referendum, the OP automatically thinks i must disagree. | |||
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"I have a cunning plan...Suicide bombs. . . I think you should all head off somewhere very quiet, say the new Forrest or the isle of Wight and blow yourselves up!!!. The rest of the country will hopefully feel so bad they'll rethink and rejoin the EU "You first. | |||
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" bloody hell you were one of the worst offender on here when it came to hatred and name calling was you who called brexitiers traitors and racists you need to give your head a shake mate iv pulled you in this a number of times wtf lol How is calling people who are traitors, traitors and people who are racists, racists in any way hateful? There is nothing hateful about reminding people that the referendum was mainly decided on the immigration question and that anyone who is wantonly planning the economic destruction of their country is a traitor. It is not my fault if that cap fits many Brexiters." wanting control over your borders is racist is that realy what you are saying ? You actually called me a traitor and racist If you think any one who voted out are traitors and racists well then you are calling over 17 million of your fellow country men and you need to get a grip of yrself | |||
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"I have been thinking about it and my position has very much changed. I still think the decision made (in the Brexit referendum) will be the dumbest act of self-harm that any group of people have ever chosen to subject themselves to and as a country. That said, I think that the referendum was so divisive and so full of hatred and anger that another round of lies, anger and probable violence will split this country so far apart that it will take generations to recover. The divisions are so bad already because of the first ill thought out and badly formed referendum that the thought of another one - to me - is abhorrent. The question is then?..... If there is not to be a second referendum, how do those of us who want to avoid the folly of Brexit work to stop it? I agree with you. In fact I reached your conclusion long before we even had the opportunity to vote in a referendum. That is why I voted out, and why I keep pointing out how much we are about to be fucked! Of course it is also why the real brexiteers ignore the fact that I continually point out I voted out because we are toxic to the EU and the truth of that can be seen in how meany brexiteers do not just want to withdraw from the EU but want and are actively seeking its total destruction. My only real concern is that the government of the day will mortgage our grandchildren's and great-grandchildren's futures in order to slow down the consequences of brexit so they can abrogate their responsibility and then blame their successors, and that most brexiteers will believe them. In fact I can see this whole process degenerating into a civil war that could well further degenerate into another pan-European conflict. " That isn't what you said 4 days ago on the 'Farage' thread. Just 4 days ago on the 'Farage' thread you were saying you agreed with Nigel Farage that there should be a 2nd referendum, and that in your words, "I think Farage is right in his thinking and for the sake of democracy his words should be heeded and acted upon". Here is the link to your post on the other thread just 4 days ago... www.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/717340#message_15401197 So just 4 days ago you were agreeing with Nigel Farage that there should be a 2nd referendum and now you are agreeing with the OP, that there shouldn't be a 2nd referendum? You also want to remain in the EU, yet you voted Leave, seems like you are a very confused person who changes your mind like the direction of the wind. | |||
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"I have been thinking about it and my position has very much changed. I still think the decision made (in the Brexit referendum) will be the dumbest act of self-harm that any group of people have ever chosen to subject themselves to and as a country. That said, I think that the referendum was so divisive and so full of hatred and anger that another round of lies, anger and probable violence will split this country so far apart that it will take generations to recover. The divisions are so bad already because of the first ill thought out and badly formed referendum that the thought of another one - to me - is abhorrent. The question is then?..... If there is not to be a second referendum, how do those of us who want to avoid the folly of Brexit work to stop it? I agree with you. In fact I reached your conclusion long before we even had the opportunity to vote in a referendum. That is why I voted out, and why I keep pointing out how much we are about to be fucked! Of course it is also why the real brexiteers ignore the fact that I continually point out I voted out because we are toxic to the EU and the truth of that can be seen in how meany brexiteers do not just want to withdraw from the EU but want and are actively seeking its total destruction. My only real concern is that the government of the day will mortgage our grandchildren's and great-grandchildren's futures in order to slow down the consequences of brexit so they can abrogate their responsibility and then blame their successors, and that most brexiteers will believe them. In fact I can see this whole process degenerating into a civil war that could well further degenerate into another pan-European conflict. That isn't what you said 4 days ago on the 'Farage' thread. Just 4 days ago on the 'Farage' thread you were saying you agreed with Nigel Farage that there should be a 2nd referendum, and that in your words, "I think Farage is right in his thinking and for the sake of democracy his words should be heeded and acted upon". Here is the link to your post on the other thread just 4 days ago... www.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/717340#message_15401197 So just 4 days ago you were agreeing with Nigel Farage that there should be a 2nd referendum and now you are agreeing with the OP, that there shouldn't be a 2nd referendum? You also want to remain in the EU, yet you voted Leave, seems like you are a very confused person who changes your mind like the direction of the wind. " Oh my the voice of reason strikes again  | |||
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""Wanting control over our borders" has always been a dog whistle for racists. Because nobody worries about the Irish, French, or Italian immigrants but simply something has to be done to stop those Indian, Nigerian, Polish, and Pakistani immigrants. And it's even more obvious when you look at that numbers and the biggest migrant groups are from outside the EU, where you already had "control over your borders". " You can try to frame the referendum all about immigration if you want, but the truth is people voted Leave for a variety of reasons. Some people think we pay too much to the EU in membership fees, and its simply not worth the extortionate amounts we pay for membership, so want to take back control of our money. Some people think that EU laws being supreme over uk laws is not acceptable and voted leave to take back control over our own laws (which is what will happen now the phase 1 agreement says the ECJ will be ended in Britain after Brexit). So your attempts (and other remainers) to frame the leave vote all about immigration is wrong, false and disingenuous. | |||
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""Wanting control over our borders" has always been a dog whistle for racists. Because nobody worries about the Irish, French, or Italian immigrants but simply something has to be done to stop those Indian, Nigerian, Polish, and Pakistani immigrants. And it's even more obvious when you look at that numbers and the biggest migrant groups are from outside the EU, where you already had "control over your borders". " I don't care were they are from I just think the numbers were out of control and would prefer a points based system pls how is that racist for gods sakes I think most ppl think the numbers coming in was to much | |||
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""Wanting control over our borders" has always been a dog whistle for racists. Because nobody worries about the Irish, French, or Italian immigrants but simply something has to be done to stop those Indian, Nigerian, Polish, and Pakistani immigrants. And it's even more obvious when you look at that numbers and the biggest migrant groups are from outside the EU, where you already had "control over your borders". You can try to frame the referendum all about immigration if you want, but the truth is people voted Leave for a variety of reasons. Some people think we pay too much to the EU in membership fees, and its simply not worth the extortionate amounts we pay for membership, so want to take back control of our money. Some people think that EU laws being supreme over uk laws is not acceptable and voted leave to take back control over our own laws (which is what will happen now the phase 1 agreement says the ECJ will be ended in Britain after Brexit). So your attempts (and other remainers) to frame the leave vote all about immigration is wrong, false and disingenuous. " I seem to have heard theese quotes from you about 50 times over the last 18 months It’s so boring and tedious | |||
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""Wanting control over our borders" has always been a dog whistle for racists. Because nobody worries about the Irish, French, or Italian immigrants but simply something has to be done to stop those Indian, Nigerian, Polish, and Pakistani immigrants. And it's even more obvious when you look at that numbers and the biggest migrant groups are from outside the EU, where you already had "control over your borders". You can try to frame the referendum all about immigration if you want, but the truth is people voted Leave for a variety of reasons. Some people think we pay too much to the EU in membership fees, and its simply not worth the extortionate amounts we pay for membership, so want to take back control of our money. Some people think that EU laws being supreme over uk laws is not acceptable and voted leave to take back control over our own laws (which is what will happen now the phase 1 agreement says the ECJ will be ended in Britain after Brexit). So your attempts (and other remainers) to frame the leave vote all about immigration is wrong, false and disingenuous. I seem to have heard theese quotes from you about 50 times over the last 18 months It’s so boring and tedious " Seeing as the phase 1 agreement was only reached in December 2017 (just 1 month ago) and my post talked about what was agreed in phase 1, how on earth do you conclude that i have talked about it 50 times over for the last 18 months?????? Its an impossibility to have talked about the phase 1 agreement for the last 18 months when the phase 1 agreement was only reached 1 month ago. | |||
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""Wanting control over our borders" has always been a dog whistle for racists. Because nobody worries about the Irish, French, or Italian immigrants but simply something has to be done to stop those Indian, Nigerian, Polish, and Pakistani immigrants. And it's even more obvious when you look at that numbers and the biggest migrant groups are from outside the EU, where you already had "control over your borders". You can try to frame the referendum all about immigration if you want, but the truth is people voted Leave for a variety of reasons. Some people think we pay too much to the EU in membership fees, and its simply not worth the extortionate amounts we pay for membership, so want to take back control of our money. Some people think that EU laws being supreme over uk laws is not acceptable and voted leave to take back control over our own laws (which is what will happen now the phase 1 agreement says the ECJ will be ended in Britain after Brexit). So your attempts (and other remainers) to frame the leave vote all about immigration is wrong, false and disingenuous. I seem to have heard theese quotes from you about 50 times over the last 18 months It’s so boring and tedious Seeing as the phase 1 agreement was only reached in December 2017 (just 1 month ago) and my post talked about what was agreed in phase 1, how on earth do you conclude that i have talked about it 50 times over for the last 18 months?????? Its an impossibility to have talked about the phase 1 agreement for the last 18 months when the phase 1 agreement was only reached 1 month ago. " Give me some if what your on Your posts are all the same I’m not talking about 1 month ago with phase bloody 1 I’m talking about the last 18 months can’t you read | |||
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""Wanting control over our borders" has always been a dog whistle for racists. Because nobody worries about the Irish, French, or Italian immigrants but simply something has to be done to stop those Indian, Nigerian, Polish, and Pakistani immigrants. And it's even more obvious when you look at that numbers and the biggest migrant groups are from outside the EU, where you already had "control over your borders". I don't care were they are from I just think the numbers were out of control and would prefer a points based system pls how is that racist for gods sakes I think most ppl think the numbers coming in was to much " People, yourself included, have no clue what the numbers actually are, but they're completely certain that "the numbers were out of control". I can't imagine why that is... | |||
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"And some people voted to leave because they didn't think their vote would matter. So, by the same token, the idea that brexit voters gave any thought at all to what they were doing is wrong, false, and disingenuous." some ppl how many was some you got the numbers how would anyone know that lol | |||
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""Wanting control over our borders" has always been a dog whistle for racists. Because nobody worries about the Irish, French, or Italian immigrants but simply something has to be done to stop those Indian, Nigerian, Polish, and Pakistani immigrants. And it's even more obvious when you look at that numbers and the biggest migrant groups are from outside the EU, where you already had "control over your borders". You can try to frame the referendum all about immigration if you want, but the truth is people voted Leave for a variety of reasons. Some people think we pay too much to the EU in membership fees, and its simply not worth the extortionate amounts we pay for membership, so want to take back control of our money. Some people think that EU laws being supreme over uk laws is not acceptable and voted leave to take back control over our own laws (which is what will happen now the phase 1 agreement says the ECJ will be ended in Britain after Brexit). So your attempts (and other remainers) to frame the leave vote all about immigration is wrong, false and disingenuous. I seem to have heard theese quotes from you about 50 times over the last 18 months It’s so boring and tedious Seeing as the phase 1 agreement was only reached in December 2017 (just 1 month ago) and my post talked about what was agreed in phase 1, how on earth do you conclude that i have talked about it 50 times over for the last 18 months?????? Its an impossibility to have talked about the phase 1 agreement for the last 18 months when the phase 1 agreement was only reached 1 month ago. Give me some if what your on Your posts are all the same I’m not talking about 1 month ago with phase bloody 1 I’m talking about the last 18 months can’t you read " Yes i can read, are you able to follow simple timeline of events? You said i had made the same quotes 50 times over for the last 18 months, which i point out to you is an impossibility seeing as the post you referred to mentioned the phase 1 agreement which was only reached 1 month ago. | |||
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" bloody hell you were one of the worst offender on here when it came to hatred and name calling was you who called brexitiers traitors and racists you need to give your head a shake mate iv pulled you in this a number of times wtf lol How is calling people who are traitors, traitors and people who are racists, racists in any way hateful? There is nothing hateful about reminding people that the referendum was mainly decided on the immigration question and that anyone who is wantonly planning the economic destruction of their country is a traitor. It is not my fault if that cap fits many Brexiters. wanting control over your borders is racist is that realy what you are saying ? You actually called me a traitor and racist If you think any one who voted out are traitors and racists well then you are calling over 17 million of your fellow country men and you need to get a grip of yrself " This is why it is so hard to have a logical discussion with a typical Brexiter, one dimensional thought processes preclude informed debate. As you very well know, the U.K. has always had control over its borders and always had the ability to both control non EU migrant numbers and also to adopt the 3 month checks that other EU nations adopt easily. Successive Governments failed on both counts for years despite all of the controls and checks being available to use. The U.K. is not in the Shengen arrangement and therefore categorically HAS control over its borders. If 17 million people didn’t know that the U.K. has always had control over its borders and they were still afraid of fireigners then they are not just racist - they are stupid and racist. | |||
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"That isn't what you said 4 days ago on the 'Farage' thread. Just 4 days ago on the 'Farage' thread you were saying you agreed with Nigel Farage that there should be a 2nd referendum, and that in your words, "I think Farage is right in his thinking and for the sake of democracy his words should be heeded and acted upon". Here is the link to your post on the other thread just 4 days ago... www.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/717340#message_15401197 So just 4 days ago you were agreeing with Nigel Farage that there should be a 2nd referendum and now you are agreeing with the OP, that there shouldn't be a 2nd referendum? You also want to remain in the EU, yet you voted Leave, seems like you are a very confused person who changes your mind like the direction of the wind. " No it is not. Because Farage did not say there should be a second referendum. I know I listened to what he said (on LBC)... He said that the leave campaign should be preparing for a second referendum and demanding that the country rather than parliament make the final decision. It is not a question of what I think is right but if I agreed with what Farage said, and what Farage said was from the point of view of the euroskeptic and pro-brexit lobby. Just because you are unable to look at things from the point of view of those you are ideologically opposed to does not mean I have the same problem. Centy, please refrain from projecting your bigotry and prejudice on to me. | |||
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" bloody hell you were one of the worst offender on here when it came to hatred and name calling was you who called brexitiers traitors and racists you need to give your head a shake mate iv pulled you in this a number of times wtf lol How is calling people who are traitors, traitors and people who are racists, racists in any way hateful? There is nothing hateful about reminding people that the referendum was mainly decided on the immigration question and that anyone who is wantonly planning the economic destruction of their country is a traitor. It is not my fault if that cap fits many Brexiters. wanting control over your borders is racist is that realy what you are saying ? You actually called me a traitor and racist If you think any one who voted out are traitors and racists well then you are calling over 17 million of your fellow country men and you need to get a grip of yrself This is why it is so hard to have a logical discussion with a typical Brexiter, one dimensional thought processes preclude informed debate. As you very well know, the U.K. has always had control over its borders and always had the ability to both control non EU migrant numbers and also to adopt the 3 month checks that other EU nations adopt easily. Successive Governments failed on both counts for years despite all of the controls and checks being available to use. The U.K. is not in the Shengen arrangement and therefore categorically HAS control over its borders. If 17 million people didn’t know that the U.K. has always had control over its borders and they were still afraid of fireigners then they are not just racist - they are stupid and racist." The brexit vote WAS everything to do with immigration...if people say it wasnt there lying....and most people believed everything the read in the Daily Fail....you only have to look at our most ardent brexiter on here that tells you everything there is to know | |||
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"I give up its like talking to a plank of wood Mind you there’s probbally more sense in s plank of wood " I think the planks got more sense | |||
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"And some people voted to leave because they didn't think their vote would matter. So, by the same token, the idea that brexit voters gave any thought at all to what they were doing is wrong, false, and disingenuous. some ppl how many was some you got the numbers how would anyone know that lol" We also have no numbers for people who apparently voted for brexit for the more palatable reasons being put forward, and indeed one might ask "how would anyone know that?" So, if you have no issue with the more palatable reasons, then you ought to have no issue with things like "thought their vote wouldn't matter". | |||
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"I have a cunning plan...Suicide bombs. . . I think you should all head off somewhere very quiet, say the new Forrest or the isle of Wight and blow yourselves up!!!. The rest of the country will hopefully feel so bad they'll rethink and rejoin the EU
You first.". I couldn't give a shit either way.... As far as I'm concerned we're all doomed in 15 years anyway from our folly with c02. Probably all those flights back and too from Canada to Ireland don't help hey?  | |||
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"I have been thinking about it and my position has very much changed. I still think the decision made (in the Brexit referendum) will be the dumbest act of self-harm that any group of people have ever chosen to subject themselves to and as a country. That said, I think that the referendum was so divisive and so full of hatred and anger that another round of lies, anger and probable violence will split this country so far apart that it will take generations to recover. The divisions are so bad already because of the first ill thought out and badly formed referendum that the thought of another one - to me - is abhorrent. The question is then?..... If there is not to be a second referendum, how do those of us who want to avoid the folly of Brexit work to stop it? I agree with you. In fact I reached your conclusion long before we even had the opportunity to vote in a referendum. That is why I voted out, and why I keep pointing out how much we are about to be fucked! Of course it is also why the real brexiteers ignore the fact that I continually point out I voted out because we are toxic to the EU and the truth of that can be seen in how meany brexiteers do not just want to withdraw from the EU but want and are actively seeking its total destruction. My only real concern is that the government of the day will mortgage our grandchildren's and great-grandchildren's futures in order to slow down the consequences of brexit so they can abrogate their responsibility and then blame their successors, and that most brexiteers will believe them. In fact I can see this whole process degenerating into a civil war that could well further degenerate into another pan-European conflict. That isn't what you said 4 days ago on the 'Farage' thread. Just 4 days ago on the 'Farage' thread you were saying you agreed with Nigel Farage that there should be a 2nd referendum, and that in your words, "I think Farage is right in his thinking and for the sake of democracy his words should be heeded and acted upon". Here is the link to your post on the other thread just 4 days ago... www.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/717340#message_15401197 So just 4 days ago you were agreeing with Nigel Farage that there should be a 2nd referendum and now you are agreeing with the OP, that there shouldn't be a 2nd referendum? You also want to remain in the EU, yet you voted Leave, seems like you are a very confused person who changes your mind like the direction of the wind. Oh my the voice of reason strikes again "But this time....unusually correct! | |||
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""Wanting control over our borders" has always been a dog whistle for racists. Because nobody worries about the Irish, French, or Italian immigrants but simply something has to be done to stop those Indian, Nigerian, Polish, and Pakistani immigrants. And it's even more obvious when you look at that numbers and the biggest migrant groups are from outside the EU, where you already had "control over your borders". " . That's not true.... Your Irish and I definitely would like to keep you out  | |||
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"I have a cunning plan...Suicide bombs. . . I think you should all head off somewhere very quiet, say the new Forrest or the isle of Wight and blow yourselves up!!!. The rest of the country will hopefully feel so bad they'll rethink and rejoin the EU
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"I have a cunning plan...Suicide bombs. . . I think you should all head off somewhere very quiet, say the new Forrest or the isle of Wight and blow yourselves up!!!. The rest of the country will hopefully feel so bad they'll rethink and rejoin the EU
You first..
I couldn't give a shit either way....
Your behavior says otherwise.
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"But what did it promise? " Absolutely everything Reduced immigration More money for the NHS More jobs Better housing Lower taxation (VAT) Being in the single market Being out the single market Cheaper food More democracy A booming manufacturing sector The return of the steel industry I think it stopped short of unicorns for all but I didn't listen to all of Boris Johnson's speaches. And what you were told varied based on who was saying it and what time of day it was That's for starters. Can any say any party can deliver all that? Any party when faced with the massive challenges involved? Brexit is a pack lies | |||
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"I have been thinking about it and my position has very much changed. I still think the decision made (in the Brexit referendum) will be the dumbest act of self-harm that any group of people have ever chosen to subject themselves to and as a country. That said, I think that the referendum was so divisive and so full of hatred and anger that another round of lies, anger and probable violence will split this country so far apart that it will take generations to recover. The divisions are so bad already because of the first ill thought out and badly formed referendum that the thought of another one - to me - is abhorrent. The question is then?..... If there is not to be a second referendum, how do those of us who want to avoid the folly of Brexit work to stop it?" You can't, you've just got to let what will happen.. happen. | |||
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"I have been thinking about it and my position has very much changed. I still think the decision made (in the Brexit referendum) will be the dumbest act of self-harm that any group of people have ever chosen to subject themselves to and as a country. That said, I think that the referendum was so divisive and so full of hatred and anger that another round of lies, anger and probable violence will split this country so far apart that it will take generations to recover. The divisions are so bad already because of the first ill thought out and badly formed referendum that the thought of another one - to me - is abhorrent. The question is then?..... If there is not to be a second referendum, how do those of us who want to avoid the folly of Brexit work to stop it? bloody hell you were one of the worst offender on here when it came to hatred and name calling was you who called brexitiers traitors and racists you need to give your head a shake mate iv pulled you in this a number of times wtf lol I think the OP's default position is just to automatically disagree with anything Nigel Farage says. Farage says he's open to the idea of another referendum, the OP automatically thinks i must disagree. " Well that's not a bad place to begin is it? Are you going to go the other way and now support another referendum because Nigel says so or stick with your original opposition to another one? | |||
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""Wanting control over our borders" has always been a dog whistle for racists. Because nobody worries about the Irish, French, or Italian immigrants but simply something has to be done to stop those Indian, Nigerian, Polish, and Pakistani immigrants. And it's even more obvious when you look at that numbers and the biggest migrant groups are from outside the EU, where you already had "control over your borders". . That's not true.... Your Irish and I definitely would like to keep you out "Well, unfortunately for you, being in or out of the EU will make no difference to Irish immigration because that is controlled by the common travel area; an agreement between the British and Irish governments that dates back to the 1920s. | |||
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""Wanting control over our borders" has always been a dog whistle for racists. Because nobody worries about the Irish, French, or Italian immigrants but simply something has to be done to stop those Indian, Nigerian, Polish, and Pakistani immigrants. And it's even more obvious when you look at that numbers and the biggest migrant groups are from outside the EU, where you already had "control over your borders". . That's not true.... Your Irish and I definitely would like to keep you out
Well, unfortunately for you, being in or out of the EU will make no difference to Irish immigration because that is controlled by the common travel area; an agreement between the British and Irish governments that dates back to the 1920s."Shhhhhh | |||
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""Wanting control over our borders" has always been a dog whistle for racists. Because nobody worries about the Irish, French, or Italian immigrants but simply something has to be done to stop those Indian, Nigerian, Polish, and Pakistani immigrants. And it's even more obvious when you look at that numbers and the biggest migrant groups are from outside the EU, where you already had "control over your borders". . That's not true.... Your Irish and I definitely would like to keep you out
Well, unfortunately for you, being in or out of the EU will make no difference to Irish immigration because that is controlled by the common travel area; an agreement between the British and Irish governments that dates back to the 1920s.". I know!.....ive got an irish passport...comes with having irish parents | |||
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""Wanting control over our borders" has always been a dog whistle for racists. Because nobody worries about the Irish, French, or Italian immigrants but simply something has to be done to stop those Indian, Nigerian, Polish, and Pakistani immigrants. And it's even more obvious when you look at that numbers and the biggest migrant groups are from outside the EU, where you already had "control over your borders". . That's not true.... Your Irish and I definitely would like to keep you out
Well, unfortunately for you, being in or out of the EU will make no difference to Irish immigration because that is controlled by the common travel area; an agreement between the British and Irish governments that dates back to the 1920s..
I know!.....ive got an irish passport...comes with having irish parents "Unfortunately for me my closest Irish ancestor was my Great Grandmother and, because neither my Grandfather or Father took up their opinion to Irish Citizenship before they died, I don't have that option. | |||
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""Wanting control over our borders" has always been a dog whistle for racists. Because nobody worries about the Irish, French, or Italian immigrants but simply something has to be done to stop those Indian, Nigerian, Polish, and Pakistani immigrants. And it's even more obvious when you look at that numbers and the biggest migrant groups are from outside the EU, where you already had "control over your borders". . That's not true.... Your Irish and I definitely would like to keep you out
Well, unfortunately for you, being in or out of the EU will make no difference to Irish immigration because that is controlled by the common travel area; an agreement between the British and Irish governments that dates back to the 1920s..
I know!.....ive got an irish passport...comes with having irish parents
Unfortunately for me my closest Irish ancestor was my Great Grandmother and, because neither my Grandfather or Father took up their opinion to Irish Citizenship before they died, I don't have that option.
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""I Don't Want A Second Referendum..." wtf YOU are not getting one in the first place accept it what is wrong with you people, get it in your head there will be No further referendum on leaving the EU the people of the UK have spoken and we are leaving face it" More silly comments from you...it was a brexiter that has suggested another one  | |||
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""I Don't Want A Second Referendum..." wtf YOU are not getting one in the first place accept it what is wrong with you people, get it in your head there will be No further referendum on leaving the EU the people of the UK have spoken and we are leaving face it" Indeed, it is only right that those who oppose brexit show the same respect for the result of this expression of the will of the people as those who campaigned for brexit have shown for the expression of the will of the people that voted to bring the UK into EU in the first place. | |||
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""I Don't Want A Second Referendum..." wtf YOU are not getting one in the first place accept it what is wrong with you people, get it in your head there will be No further referendum on leaving the EU the people of the UK have spoken and we are leaving face it Indeed, it is only right that those who oppose brexit show the same respect for the result of this expression of the will of the people as those who campaigned for brexit have shown for the expression of the will of the people that voted to bring the UK into EU in the first place." Clear difference between the 2 though is that the first referendum result was respected in the 1970's and was implemented first before people campaigned again to Leave. The 2nd referendum result in 2016 also needs to be respected and now implemented. If people want to campaign to rejoin after we've left I wouldn't have a problem with that but first and foremost democracy and the result needs to be respected and implemented. | |||
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"Clear difference between the 2 though is that the first referendum result was respected in the 1970's and was implemented first before people campaigned again to Leave. " Would it surprise you to learn that's not true? It doesn't surprise me. And regardless, if something is wrong, and this is, and you oppose it then you're under no obligation to wait until an arbitrary amount of time has passed. It not as if it will be any more wrong after the UK is done enacting the strop thrown by it's worst citizens. | |||
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"You are just bitter mate nothing to be proud of it's just more slagging on here as if we don't have enough of that ffs " If that makes you feel better, then by all means believe that. | |||
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""I Don't Want A Second Referendum..." wtf YOU are not getting one in the first place accept it what is wrong with you people, get it in your head there will be No further referendum on leaving the EU the people of the UK have spoken and we are leaving face it Indeed, it is only right that those who oppose brexit show the same respect for the result of this expression of the will of the people as those who campaigned for brexit have shown for the expression of the will of the people that voted to bring the UK into EU in the first place. Clear difference between the 2 though is that the first referendum result was respected in the 1970's and was implemented first before people campaigned again to Leave. The 2nd referendum result in 2016 also needs to be respected and now implemented. If people want to campaign to rejoin after we've left I wouldn't have a problem with that but first and foremost democracy and the result needs to be respected and implemented." It was implemented BEFORE the first (1970s) referendum...we joined before the people were asked to endorse it. However we joined the EEC (or common market as it was termed by most). We did not join a European Union. The EU was brought about by a series of treaties agreed (one could argue on our behalf) by our governments and ministers. Particularly the Maastricht and More so the Lisbon treaties which gave away huge areas of our own control to the commissioners of tge European state. How democratic you think that transfer of power was is your own opinion. We were, however promised a referendum by Gordon Brownnose before he would agree to any further treaties.....but he lied. Had we had that opportunity to truly influence the direction of Europe we might not have been in our current predicament..... | |||
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""I Don't Want A Second Referendum..." wtf YOU are not getting one in the first place accept it what is wrong with you people, get it in your head there will be No further referendum on leaving the EU the people of the UK have spoken and we are leaving face it Indeed, it is only right that those who oppose brexit show the same respect for the result of this expression of the will of the people as those who campaigned for brexit have shown for the expression of the will of the people that voted to bring the UK into EU in the first place. Clear difference between the 2 though is that the first referendum result was respected in the 1970's and was implemented first before people campaigned again to Leave. The 2nd referendum result in 2016 also needs to be respected and now implemented. If people want to campaign to rejoin after we've left I wouldn't have a problem with that but first and foremost democracy and the result needs to be respected and implemented. It was implemented BEFORE the first (1970s) referendum...we joined before the people were asked to endorse it. However we joined the EEC (or common market as it was termed by most). We did not join a European Union. The EU was brought about by a series of treaties agreed (one could argue on our behalf) by our governments and ministers. Particularly the Maastricht and More so the Lisbon treaties which gave away huge areas of our own control to the commissioners of tge European state. How democratic you think that transfer of power was is your own opinion. We were, however promised a referendum by Gordon Brownnose before he would agree to any further treaties.....but he lied. Had we had that opportunity to truly influence the direction of Europe we might not have been in our current predicament....." That treaty...actually gave the ordinary working people of this country a whole lot more protection...which will be taken away once these greedy fucking Tories repeal it | |||
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"All you remainers can run off and live in Europe and we leavers will enjoy the long term prosperity it will bring" Walk us through how having just under half the population leave is gonna make that happen. Protip: it won't. | |||
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"All you remainers can run off and live in Europe and we leavers will enjoy the long term prosperity it will bring Walk us through how having just under half the population leave is gonna make that happen. Protip: it won't. " Like most remainers you have the sense of humour of a turd lol. The country will after problems for a couple of years will prosper the evidence is there,it is the EU that will collapse.The biggest problem we face is Corbyn not leaving the EU | |||
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"All you remainers can run off and live in Europe and we leavers will enjoy the long term prosperity it will bring Walk us through how having just under half the population leave is gonna make that happen. Protip: it won't. Like most remainers you have the sense of humour of a turd lol. The country will after problems for a couple of years will prosper the evidence is there,it is the EU that will collapse.The biggest problem we face is Corbyn not leaving the EU" Then quote them...just dont spout hotair | |||
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"All you remainers can run off and live in Europe and we leavers will enjoy the long term prosperity it will bring Walk us through how having just under half the population leave is gonna make that happen. Protip: it won't. Like most remainers you have the sense of humour of a turd lol. The country will after problems for a couple of years will prosper the evidence is there,it is the EU that will collapse.The biggest problem we face is Corbyn not leaving the EU" Well, if you're so certain of all that, what point would there be in talking to you. Lol, as you might say. | |||
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"All you remainers can run off and live in Europe and we leavers will enjoy the long term prosperity it will bring Walk us through how having just under half the population leave is gonna make that happen. Protip: it won't. Like most remainers you have the sense of humour of a turd lol. The country will after problems for a couple of years will prosper the evidence is there,it is the EU that will collapse.The biggest problem we face is Corbyn not leaving the EU Then quote them...just dont spout hotair " I never quote others I read all sides and form an opinion,it is what most do not do.All they do is read the opinions that agree with them anyeway as they try to ebforce there own belief in something. It makes me cringe the closed minds of people,but what can I do,sadly you do not have the advantage of being educated in a time of no computers and having to use libraries and do proper research. Please do not take this personally it is just the modern world failing us all | |||
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"All you remainers can run off and live in Europe and we leavers will enjoy the long term prosperity it will bring Walk us through how having just under half the population leave is gonna make that happen. Protip: it won't. Like most remainers you have the sense of humour of a turd lol. The country will after problems for a couple of years will prosper the evidence is there,it is the EU that will collapse.The biggest problem we face is Corbyn not leaving the EU Then quote them...just dont spout hotair I never quote others I read all sides and form an opinion,it is what most do not do.All they do is read the opinions that agree with them anyeway as they try to ebforce there own belief in something. It makes me cringe the closed minds of people,but what can I do,sadly you do not have the advantage of being educated in a time of no computers and having to use libraries and do proper research. Please do not take this personally it is just the modern world failing us all" Yes, because information in books is never incorrect. How astute. | |||
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"All you remainers can run off and live in Europe and we leavers will enjoy the long term prosperity it will bring Walk us through how having just under half the population leave is gonna make that happen. Protip: it won't. Like most remainers you have the sense of humour of a turd lol. The country will after problems for a couple of years will prosper the evidence is there,it is the EU that will collapse.The biggest problem we face is Corbyn not leaving the EU Then quote them...just dont spout hotair I never quote others I read all sides and form an opinion,it is what most do not do.All they do is read the opinions that agree with them anyeway as they try to ebforce there own belief in something. It makes me cringe the closed minds of people,but what can I do,sadly you do not have the advantage of being educated in a time of no computers and having to use libraries and do proper research. Please do not take this personally it is just the modern world failing us all Yes, because information in books is never incorrect. How astute." Sarcasm noted but when reading books you tend to read more and not just edits as you do on the web.It also easier to cross reference in a library because of the way books are set out,whereas the web you only have one google page in front of you.Please go in a good reference library and open your eyes you will love it I am sure. | |||
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"All you remainers can run off and live in Europe and we leavers will enjoy the long term prosperity it will bring Walk us through how having just under half the population leave is gonna make that happen. Protip: it won't. Like most remainers you have the sense of humour of a turd lol. The country will after problems for a couple of years will prosper the evidence is there,it is the EU that will collapse.The biggest problem we face is Corbyn not leaving the EU Then quote them...just dont spout hotair I never quote others I read all sides and form an opinion,it is what most do not do.All they do is read the opinions that agree with them anyeway as they try to ebforce there own belief in something. It makes me cringe the closed minds of people,but what can I do,sadly you do not have the advantage of being educated in a time of no computers and having to use libraries and do proper research. Please do not take this personally it is just the modern world failing us all" But you made an assertion of “long term prosperity” ? You could at least try to justify that claim even if it was from a library book. | |||
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"All you remainers can run off and live in Europe and we leavers will enjoy the long term prosperity it will bring Walk us through how having just under half the population leave is gonna make that happen. Protip: it won't. Like most remainers you have the sense of humour of a turd lol. The country will after problems for a couple of years will prosper the evidence is there,it is the EU that will collapse.The biggest problem we face is Corbyn not leaving the EU Then quote them...just dont spout hotair I never quote others I read all sides and form an opinion,it is what most do not do.All they do is read the opinions that agree with them anyeway as they try to ebforce there own belief in something. It makes me cringe the closed minds of people,but what can I do,sadly you do not have the advantage of being educated in a time of no computers and having to use libraries and do proper research. Please do not take this personally it is just the modern world failing us all But you made an assertion of “long term prosperity” ? You could at least try to justify that claim even if it was from a library book." Not from a library book at all just from reading many papers listening to news and etc. Anyway I am 100% I will be right,and if I am you no doubt will not admit you will dispise me for it maybe. This attitude of fear baffles me. | |||
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"All you remainers can run off and live in Europe and we leavers will enjoy the long term prosperity it will bring Walk us through how having just under half the population leave is gonna make that happen. Protip: it won't. Like most remainers you have the sense of humour of a turd lol. The country will after problems for a couple of years will prosper the evidence is there,it is the EU that will collapse.The biggest problem we face is Corbyn not leaving the EU Then quote them...just dont spout hotair I never quote others I read all sides and form an opinion,it is what most do not do.All they do is read the opinions that agree with them anyeway as they try to ebforce there own belief in something. It makes me cringe the closed minds of people,but what can I do,sadly you do not have the advantage of being educated in a time of no computers and having to use libraries and do proper research. Please do not take this personally it is just the modern world failing us all Yes, because information in books is never incorrect. How astute.Sarcasm noted but when reading books you tend to read more and not just edits as you do on the web.It also easier to cross reference in a library because of the way books are set out,whereas the web you only have one google page in front of you.Please go in a good reference library and open your eyes you will love it I am sure." "web you only have one google page in front of you" Multiple tabs, split screens layout, dual monitors. Just because you can't use a computer properly, don't assume nobody can. | |||
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"All you remainers can run off and live in Europe and we leavers will enjoy the long term prosperity it will bring Walk us through how having just under half the population leave is gonna make that happen. Protip: it won't. Like most remainers you have the sense of humour of a turd lol. The country will after problems for a couple of years will prosper the evidence is there,it is the EU that will collapse.The biggest problem we face is Corbyn not leaving the EU Then quote them...just dont spout hotair I never quote others I read all sides and form an opinion,it is what most do not do.All they do is read the opinions that agree with them anyeway as they try to ebforce there own belief in something. It makes me cringe the closed minds of people,but what can I do,sadly you do not have the advantage of being educated in a time of no computers and having to use libraries and do proper research. Please do not take this personally it is just the modern world failing us all But you made an assertion of “long term prosperity” ? You could at least try to justify that claim even if it was from a library book.Not from a library book at all just from reading many papers listening to news and etc. Anyway I am 100% I will be right,and if I am you no doubt will not admit you will dispise me for it maybe. This attitude of fear baffles me." No one despises you and there is no attitude of fear. I think people are just trying to understand where you get your opinion of “long term prosperity” from. It is kind of normal to justify a claim or a statement, otherwise it is meaningless. It would be like me saying to you.., “Transexuals will be arrested as a matter of course by 2022.” And not giving you any reason as to why I think that. | |||
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"All you remainers can run off and live in Europe and we leavers will enjoy the long term prosperity it will bring Walk us through how having just under half the population leave is gonna make that happen. Protip: it won't. Like most remainers you have the sense of humour of a turd lol. The country will after problems for a couple of years will prosper the evidence is there,it is the EU that will collapse.The biggest problem we face is Corbyn not leaving the EU Then quote them...just dont spout hotair I never quote others I read all sides and form an opinion,it is what most do not do.All they do is read the opinions that agree with them anyeway as they try to ebforce there own belief in something. It makes me cringe the closed minds of people,but what can I do,sadly you do not have the advantage of being educated in a time of no computers and having to use libraries and do proper research. Please do not take this personally it is just the modern world failing us all But you made an assertion of “long term prosperity” ? You could at least try to justify that claim even if it was from a library book.Not from a library book at all just from reading many papers listening to news and etc. Anyway I am 100% I will be right,and if I am you no doubt will not admit you will dispise me for it maybe. This attitude of fear baffles me. No one despises you and there is no attitude of fear. I think people are just trying to understand where you get your opinion of “long term prosperity” from. It is kind of normal to justify a claim or a statement, otherwise it is meaningless. It would be like me saying to you.., “Transexuals will be arrested as a matter of course by 2022.” And not giving you any reason as to why I think that." Well we all know Reece Moggs thoughts on them so it maybe true | |||
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"Not until the UK leaves the EU and we see how things go will there be any "peace". If there is a second referendum and "remain" win there could be civil unrest. The fact people were lied to, influenced by foreign bots in the first one is by the by now. It's not until life after brexit is a know quantity will we get any closure. If brexit fails to bring the promised land I do fear civil unrest on a scale which we haven't seen since 1970's riots. If it succeeds then it will be the great escape. Only time will tell nobody can see in the future." . Civil unrest!. I doubt it, students usually give up shit as fast as they take it up | |||
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"Not until the UK leaves the EU and we see how things go will there be any "peace". If there is a second referendum and "remain" win there could be civil unrest. The fact people were lied to, influenced by foreign bots in the first one is by the by now. It's not until life after brexit is a know quantity will we get any closure. If brexit fails to bring the promised land I do fear civil unrest on a scale which we haven't seen since 1970's riots. If it succeeds then it will be the great escape. Only time will tell nobody can see in the future." very good comment, and I am sure we will all be better off with brexit | |||
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"Not until the UK leaves the EU and we see how things go will there be any "peace". If there is a second referendum and "remain" win there could be civil unrest. The fact people were lied to, influenced by foreign bots in the first one is by the by now. It's not until life after brexit is a know quantity will we get any closure. If brexit fails to bring the promised land I do fear civil unrest on a scale which we haven't seen since 1970's riots. If it succeeds then it will be the great escape. Only time will tell nobody can see in the future. very good comment, and I am sure we will all be better off with brexit" I very much doubt it We’re all in the shit pal | |||
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"Not until the UK leaves the EU and we see how things go will there be any "peace". If there is a second referendum and "remain" win there could be civil unrest. The fact people were lied to, influenced by foreign bots in the first one is by the by now. It's not until life after brexit is a know quantity will we get any closure. If brexit fails to bring the promised land I do fear civil unrest on a scale which we haven't seen since 1970's riots. If it succeeds then it will be the great escape. Only time will tell nobody can see in the future." If their is second referendum and remain won.Leave voters would breath a collective sigh of relief.They couldn't muster fart let alone violent protests Leave that shit to young dissatisfied youth on team remain | |||
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"Don't worry. When it all goes to shit, and it will, you won't have to endure it for too long.. Nihilism "It's usually considered a good idea to not use words you don't understand. Perhaps you should give it a try. | |||
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"Not until the UK leaves the EU and we see how things go will there be any "peace". If there is a second referendum and "remain" win there could be civil unrest. The fact people were lied to, influenced by foreign bots in the first one is by the by now. It's not until life after brexit is a know quantity will we get any closure. If brexit fails to bring the promised land I do fear civil unrest on a scale which we haven't seen since 1970's riots. If it succeeds then it will be the great escape. Only time will tell nobody can see in the future. very good comment, and I am sure we will all be better off with brexit I very much doubt it We’re all in the shit pal" Where do you get the "Were" from when you say "Were" all in the shit???? I am not in the shit, and wont be in the shit with brexit, I took precautions many years back, nice little safety net, I am sure there are many others who have the ability to look after themselves too
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