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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Reading online about this debacle. Lady wrote to M&S pointing out that Scottish whisky was branded by them as British but they were selling English Whisky. Apart from Scottish whisky being a recognised title eorld-wide, she thought it was insulting.

The reply from Marks and Spencers? "You've had your referendum and you're part of England now" . I think their sales may reduce somewhat in certain parts of 'England'.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"Reading online about this debacle. Lady wrote to M&S pointing out that Scottish whisky was branded by them as British but they were selling English Whisky. Apart from Scottish whisky being a recognised title eorld-wide, she thought it was insulting.

The reply from Marks and Spencers? "You've had your referendum and you're part of England now" . I think their sales may reduce somewhat in certain parts of 'England'."

Sounds like a storm in a teacup to me.

Or, at best, a storm in a whisky glass.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Reading online about this debacle. Lady wrote to M&S pointing out that Scottish whisky was branded by them as British but they were selling English Whisky. Apart from Scottish whisky being a recognised title eorld-wide, she thought it was insulting.

The reply from Marks and Spencers? "You've had your referendum and you're part of England now" . I think their sales may reduce somewhat in certain parts of 'England'."

I think M&S are breaking the law

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Sounds like a prank by someone about to leave, M n S are usually quite good customer service wise..

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

A disgruntled employee maybe for the reply but 'British'whiskey and 'English' whisky?

They are indeed breaking the law and frankly, it's not on.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

English Whisky has and does again exist.

English whisky is whisky produced in England. There are currently at least six distilleries producing English whisky. Though England is not very well known for making whisky there were distillers previously operating in London, Liverpool and Bristol until the late 19th century, after which production of English single malt whisky ceased until 2003.

A British Whisky would be a blended whisky that contained whisky from more than one region of the British Isles.

Nothing illegal or underhand about any of it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Selling Scottish whisky as British is. It's against the law, blended or not.

I see it's off their website now......

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"Selling Scottish whisky as British is. It's against the law, blended or not.

I see it's off their website now......"

If its blended with English Whisky it would be illegal to sell it as Scottish Whisky because it wouldn't actually be Scottish Whisky. However I can't see how calling it what it is, a blend of whiskies from around the British Isles aka British Whisky, would or could be illegal.

Try googling The British Whisky Exchange.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don’t forget Penderyn a very fine Welsh whisky.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Scottish whisky is a protected term. It can't be called anything else.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I think it was the category Scottish whisky was listed under- 'British whisky' - but the sole English whisky was listed under the header 'English'.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"Scottish whisky is a protected term. It can't be called anything else."

If its protected, that means that you can't make it somewhere else, and call it Scottish whisky. You can however make whisky in Scotland and call it any other non-protected title, such as British whisky, or European whisky, or Earth whisky, as all are true.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

No, you can't. It is a protective title. It is set in law. Any whisky made in Scotland has to be labeled such.

As I said, it was the category that was the issue anyway, not a blend.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"No, you can't. It is a protective title. It is set in law. Any whisky made in Scotland has to be labeled such.

As I said, it was the category that was the issue anyway, not a blend."

Nah, it doesn't, you've got it backwards. The protective status means that if its not made in Scotland, that it can't be sold as "Scottish"

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

"It is an offence to promote a Scotch Whisky as belonging to a category to which it does not belong" pretty well covers it. As I said, written in law. Much the same as Cheddar and Champagne.

And it's not about blended whisky, it's about advertising it in the wrong get category. Please read it properly.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


""It is an offence to promote a Scotch Whisky as belonging to a category to which it does not belong" pretty well covers it. As I said, written in law. Much the same as Cheddar and Champagne.

And it's not about blended whisky, it's about advertising it in the wrong get category. Please read it properly.

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Sorry, I thought you were taking about an actual law, as in against an act of parliament. You were instead obviously talking about a bylaw of the Scottish Whisky Association. Are Marks & Spencer a member of the Scottish Whisky Association? If they're not, then they can't be expected to comply to the rules of an association to which they are not a member.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


""It is an offence to promote a Scotch Whisky as belonging to a category to which it does not belong" pretty well covers it. As I said, written in law. Much the same as Cheddar and Champagne.

And it's not about blended whisky, it's about advertising it in the wrong get category. Please read it properly.

"

So what should we call a whisky that is a blend of English and Scottish Whiskey.

Also Scotch Whiskey is not just whiskey made in Scotland it also has to be made following quite strict rules. I'm not sure that a whiskey made in Scotland (Scottish Whisky) would have to follow the same rules as Scotch Whisky but maybe you could clarify that to.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Not sure which bit about 'law' you don't understand? It's not about the Scotch Whisky Association. It's about legislation. SURELY you know Scotch Whisky is a protected product in the same way champagne is? Or is this another example of arguing for the sake of it?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"So what should we call a whisky that is a blend of English and Scottish Whiskey.

Also Scotch Whiskey is not just whiskey made in Scotland it also has to be made following quite strict rules. I'm not sure that a whiskey made in Scotland (Scottish Whisky) would have to follow the same rules as Scotch Whisky but maybe you could clarify that to."

It's not about a blended whisky. It's about selling Scotch under the category as British, and English whisky under the category of English rather than all under UK. Scottish and Scotch are the same. Was probably my mistake using one instead of the other

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"So what should we call a whisky that is a blend of English and Scottish Whiskey.

Also Scotch Whiskey is not just whiskey made in Scotland it also has to be made following quite strict rules. I'm not sure that a whiskey made in Scotland (Scottish Whisky) would have to follow the same rules as Scotch Whisky but maybe you could clarify that to.

It's not about a blended whisky. It's about selling Scotch under the category as British, and English whisky under the category of English rather than all under UK. Scottish and Scotch are the same. Was probably my mistake using one instead of the other"

Ok, I get that but I'd still like to know what would be the correct labeling or category for a bottle of whiskey that contained a blend of Scottish and English whisky.

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By *ilent.KnightMan
over a year ago

Swindon

The time line feels very muddled

Man writes to m&s gets a response but no action.

Man goes to the national. National get a change. Eventually.

Women writes to m&s in November (after the change) to complain (because she is offended)

M&S (now ex) responds. Possibly as they are on the way out.

Month or so later national drags story back up.

Fab goes mad about a story 3 months old.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Take a a while to get to the other side of the world.

I'm not so concerned about a time line. Doesn't change the facts.

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By *ilent.KnightMan
over a year ago

Swindon


"Take a a while to get to the other side of the world.

I'm not so concerned about a time line. Doesn't change the facts. "
other than the story in your OP isn’t the fact. She didn’t point it out. It had been managed by M&S by then. Albeit badly. Therefore it wasn’t a helpful email she sent but a general rant.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"Not sure which bit about 'law' you don't understand? It's not about the Scotch Whisky Association. It's about legislation. SURELY you know Scotch Whisky is a protected product in the same way champagne is? Or is this another example of arguing for the sake of it?"

The bit about "law" that I'm struggling with is that you didn't state the act of Parliament, but your quote was part of the Scottish Whisky Association Regulations 2009. So which is it? An industry body regulation, or against an act of Parliament?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not sure which bit about 'law' you don't understand? It's not about the Scotch Whisky Association. It's about legislation. SURELY you know Scotch Whisky is a protected product in the same way champagne is? Or is this another example of arguing for the sake of it?

The bit about "law" that I'm struggling with is that you didn't state the act of Parliament, but your quote was part of the Scottish Whisky Association Regulations 2009. So which is it? An industry body regulation, or against an act of Parliament? "

Isn't it a EU regulation like Cornish pasties ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Of course it is. Some people just like to argue black is white )))))))

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"Not sure which bit about 'law' you don't understand? It's not about the Scotch Whisky Association. It's about legislation. SURELY you know Scotch Whisky is a protected product in the same way champagne is? Or is this another example of arguing for the sake of it?

The bit about "law" that I'm struggling with is that you didn't state the act of Parliament, but your quote was part of the Scottish Whisky Association Regulations 2009. So which is it? An industry body regulation, or against an act of Parliament?

Isn't it a EU regulation like Cornish pasties ?"

Cornish pasty is a fantastic example. You can't make a "Cornish" pasty in Cambridge and call it a "Cornish pasty", but let's say you make a cheese and onion pasty, in Cornwall, you are not legally obligated to call that a Cornish pasty. In exactly the same way as if you make Whisky in Scotland, you don't have to call it Scottish whisky.

The OP has been unable to name either the EU regulation, nor the act of UK Parliament to support their assumption that M&S broke the law. I have looked at the media reports for this story, and it originated in The National, yet that paper doesn't say that M&S broke the law, just that someone complained about it. Wouldn't 'M&S breaks law' make a much better story than 'bloke compains about M&S website'? In fact it would seem down right negligent on the part of the National not to mention this illegality, or the criminal or civil proceedings against M&S.

The OP did however provide a quote "It is an offence to promote a Scotch Whisky as belonging to a category to which it does not belong". This quote however, when put into a search engine, shows that it's not a line from an EU regulation, or from an act of Parliament, its a line from the Scottish Whisky Association Regulations of April 2009.

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By *andACouple
over a year ago

glasgow

In case anyone's wondering what all this is about, basically the more extreme nationalists have been frothing at the mouth for months over any product sold in the shops which is labelled as British rather than Scottish. The National newspaper (a pro indy paper with a circulation of around 7000) has had a campaign urging people to write in exposing such dastardly deeds.

It's why some Nationalists are now claiming to be boycotting Tesco, M&S, Waitrose, Asda, Aldi etc. I honestly don't know how they manage to each given all the stores they're boycotting. Meanwhile they get roundly ridiculed for this from non nationalists and some of the more thinking nationalists are trying to distance themselves from them, realising how mental it all looks.

Here's an article by a pro-indy MSP which kinda explains who these people are. The reference to 'shouting "quisling" at teacakes' is due to some nats boycotting Tunnocks teacakes for the reasons posted above

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15456336.Ross_Greer__Time_to_show_the_door_to_the_lunatic_fringe_killing_the_independence_movement_with_its_bile/

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not sure which bit about 'law' you don't understand? It's not about the Scotch Whisky Association. It's about legislation. SURELY you know Scotch Whisky is a protected product in the same way champagne is? Or is this another example of arguing for the sake of it?

The bit about "law" that I'm struggling with is that you didn't state the act of Parliament, but your quote was part of the Scottish Whisky Association Regulations 2009. So which is it? An industry body regulation, or against an act of Parliament?

Isn't it a EU regulation like Cornish pasties ?

Cornish pasty is a fantastic example. You can't make a "Cornish" pasty in Cambridge and call it a "Cornish pasty", but let's say you make a cheese and onion pasty, in Cornwall, you are not legally obligated to call that a Cornish pasty. In exactly the same way as if you make Whisky in Scotland, you don't have to call it Scottish whisky.

The OP has been unable to name either the EU regulation, nor the act of UK Parliament to support their assumption that M&S broke the law. I have looked at the media reports for this story, and it originated in The National, yet that paper doesn't say that M&S broke the law, just that someone complained about it. Wouldn't 'M&S breaks law' make a much better story than 'bloke compains about M&S website'? In fact it would seem down right negligent on the part of the National not to mention this illegality, or the criminal or civil proceedings against M&S.

The OP did however provide a quote "It is an offence to promote a Scotch Whisky as belonging to a category to which it does not belong". This quote however, when put into a search engine, shows that it's not a line from an EU regulation, or from an act of Parliament, its a line from the Scottish Whisky Association Regulations of April 2009. "

Very nicely explained

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

CLCC- the term 'Scotch Whisky' is a protected brand in law, as you would have found had you actually understood what you'd read and then done some more research. Actually, had you read a bit more through what you'd quoted, you'd have found what you were looking for about it being a law. I'm sure it's hours of endless fun finding the exact EU directive and act of parliament quoted in the regulations, but since you want to read it and it's not actually what the post is about, why dont YOU look for it.

I don't know about a National story since wasn't where I read it but last time I checked, M&S website still listed British and English whisky. I can understand that some English people don't understand why that is seen as offensive but that lack of self awareness fuels nationalism. It's made worse by being righteous in the defence of descriptions of Scottish (or Welsh) products or people as English or British when in the case of Scotch whisky, it's such a world-wide term that being 'British' is commercial stupidity. It's certainly something the rest of the world sees and understands.

M&S got involved with politics, a territory no company, especially one with falling profits, should ever do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cheddar still upsets me.Its Protected Designation of Origin, "West Country Farmhouse Cheddar"

Get to fuck EU You wouldn't do the same with champagne.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

So explain to me what is happening- is the protection not being followed through or is it cheddar being protected that is the problem?

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By *icklybitMan
over a year ago

Ayrshire

A bit boring but this may help.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2009/2890/regulation/3

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"CLCC- the term 'Scotch Whisky' is a protected brand in law, as you would have found had you actually understood what you'd read and then done some more research. Actually, had you read a bit more through what you'd quoted, you'd have found what you were looking for about it being a law. I'm sure it's hours of endless fun finding the exact EU directive and act of parliament quoted in the regulations, but since you want to read it and it's not actually what the post is about, why dont YOU look for it.

I don't know about a National story since wasn't where I read it but last time I checked, M&S website still listed British and English whisky. I can understand that some English people don't understand why that is seen as offensive but that lack of self awareness fuels nationalism. It's made worse by being righteous in the defence of descriptions of Scottish (or Welsh) products or people as English or British when in the case of Scotch whisky, it's such a world-wide term that being 'British' is commercial stupidity. It's certainly something the rest of the world sees and understands.

M&S got involved with politics, a territory no company, especially one with falling profits, should ever do.

"

Why don't you just tell us where you got your quote from?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So explain to me what is happening- is the protection not being followed through or is it cheddar being protected that is the problem?"

The term "Cheddar cheese" is widely used, but has no protected designation of origin within the European Union.Cheddar originated in Somerset. Champagne comes from the champagne region.Double standards.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"So explain to me what is happening- is the protection not being followed through or is it cheddar being protected that is the problem?

The term "Cheddar cheese" is widely used, but has no protected designation of origin within the European Union.Cheddar originated in Somerset. Champagne comes from the champagne region.Double standards."

Just imagine how pissed of the Belgiums must feel about Brussel Sprouts!!

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"A bit boring but this may help.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2009/2890/regulation/3"

I'm still not sure what you'd call a bottle of whisky that contained a blend of Scottish and English Whisky but I'm pretty sure British Whisky would be legal.

I've also searched extensively on the web and can't find anything that says it's illegal to call Scottish Whisky British Whisky.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Reading online about this debacle. Lady wrote to M&S pointing out that Scottish whisky was branded by them as British but they were selling English Whisky. Apart from Scottish whisky being a recognised title eorld-wide, she thought it was insulting.

The reply from Marks and Spencers? "You've had your referendum and you're part of England now" . I think their sales may reduce somewhat in certain parts of 'England'."

This was a story in the independence supporting National so called newspaper in Scotland.

As far as I am aware they did not provide any proof it actually happens.

Just to let you know as the snp are a party of grievances their followers try to find fault in everything.

They are boycotting M & S for amongst other things selling Scottish shortbread in a London bus tin with a union flag on the roof.

Petty I know but everything concerning the union upsets them.

The story about customer service I am sure was fake news to forward the grievance politics !!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Selling Scottish whisky as British is. It's against the law, blended or not.

I see it's off their website now......"

Did you see it before or just does not exist ?

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"A bit boring but this may help.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2009/2890/regulation/3

I'm still not sure what you'd call a bottle of whisky that contained a blend of Scottish and English Whisky but I'm pretty sure British Whisky would be legal.

I've also searched extensively on the web and can't find anything that says it's illegal to call Scottish Whisky British Whisky."

As "British Whisky" isnt protected category, anything can be called British whisky. Even if it was protected, Scotland is in Britain and always has and will be as Britain is a geographical area rather than a political entity, so Scottish whisky can be designated as British.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I'm not sure why this is turning into a pointless argument. The details are online. The term Scotch Whisky is protected under both EU law and UK law. Blending rules are strict - look online- but in any case, why would any producer want to blend English and Scottish whisky? That would hardly appeal to a drinker and wouldn't attract the premium scotch does.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"I'm not sure why this is turning into a pointless argument. The details are online. The term Scotch Whisky is protected under both EU law and UK law. Blending rules are strict - look online- but in any case, why would any producer want to blend English and Scottish whisky? That would hardly appeal to a drinker and wouldn't attract the premium scotch does.

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The argument is you say the M&S broke the law. They didn't, you're lying.

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By *igsteve43Man
over a year ago

derby

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By *ilent.KnightMan
over a year ago

Swindon

The Scotch Whisky Regulations 2009 (Citation 2009, No. 2890) is a Statutory Instrument that regulates the production, labelling, advertising and packaging of Scotch whisky.[1]

Took a while to find this tbf.

From what I can see it only covers the labelling of scotch by the distillery and not the category a shop puts it in. Tho i have only looked at the guidance the scotch whisky association have provided ... and not the regs themselves.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm off for a monkey shoulder

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

I like Bushmills, a great British whisky. I first tried it getting d*unk in NI with an FBI agent!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Selling Scottish whisky as British is. It's against the law, blended or not.

I see it's off their website now......

Did you see it before or just does not exist ?"

There website is just like a normal website for a supermarket selling drink, except they also have a silly brand called "English Whisky" Norfolk distilled and zero age on bottle, some losers will enjoy it,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you want good pizza get an Italian to make it.Not an Iranian who bought a pizza takeaway.If you want good cheddar get it from Somerset not that rubber the Irish and the Scottish make, same for cider the irish make God awful cider.Want good whiskey make sure it's made in Scotland and single malt.

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By *uxinteriorMan
over a year ago

south west , continental

The Irish make some damn fine whiskey too Bob, Bushmills is triple distilled.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If you want good pizza get an Italian to make it.Not an Iranian who bought a pizza takeaway.If you want good cheddar get it from Somerset not that rubber the Irish and the Scottish make, same for cider the irish make God awful cider.Want good whiskey make sure it's made in Scotland and single malt. "

Doesn't have to be single malt Bob, Johnny Walker makes some amazing blends, green, gold and blue label to name 3

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"If you want good pizza get an Italian to make it.Not an Iranian who bought a pizza takeaway.If you want good cheddar get it from Somerset not that rubber the Irish and the Scottish make, same for cider the irish make God awful cider.Want good whiskey make sure it's made in Scotland and single malt.

Doesn't have to be single malt Bob, Johnny Walker makes some amazing blends, green, gold and blue label to name 3"

I suppose it doesn't make much difference when it's been mixed with diet Irn-Bru

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If you want good pizza get an Italian to make it.Not an Iranian who bought a pizza takeaway.If you want good cheddar get it from Somerset not that rubber the Irish and the Scottish make, same for cider the irish make God awful cider.Want good whiskey make sure it's made in Scotland and single malt.

Doesn't have to be single malt Bob, Johnny Walker makes some amazing blends, green, gold and blue label to name 3

I suppose it doesn't make much difference when it's been mixed with diet Irn-Bru"

you only do that with "English Whisky" Norfolk distilled and zero age on bottle

it needs some Scotch Irn Bru for flavour

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think you are all missing the point it was a made up bullshit story published by the national paper in Scotland to keep the grievances going !!!!!!

There was no real evidence the complainer was told anything about the referendum or even if the call was made to m and s !!!

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"I think you are all missing the point it was a made up bullshit story published by the national paper in Scotland to keep the grievances going !!!!!!

There was no real evidence the complainer was told anything about the referendum or even if the call was made to m and s !!!"

No, that hasn't been missed by anyone but the OP.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Missed? My head is spinning with how many different tracks you take.

The report I read said blended Scotch had been sold as British, which is illegal. It also said a complaint had elicited a reply about Scotland being part of England.

Even here on the other side of the world, it's well known Scottish/Scotch whisky is a protected term. That lack of knowledge seems to be the crux of taking umbrage but it's easily sorted by doing some research.

There is no blended Scotch called (ie labelled) British on the site. I presume it's been removed. Scotch is still under British though. Why? Being British doesn't sell it. It weakens the whole brand. It's not the rolling Downs of Hampshire that fuel the image......

Large businesses should never be involved with politics.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"Missed? My head is spinning with how many different tracks you take.

The report I read said blended Scotch had been sold as British, which is illegal. It also said a complaint had elicited a reply about Scotland being part of England.

Even here on the other side of the world, it's well known Scottish/Scotch whisky is a protected term. That lack of knowledge seems to be the crux of taking umbrage but it's easily sorted by doing some research.

There is no blended Scotch called (ie labelled) British on the site. I presume it's been removed. Scotch is still under British though. Why? Being British doesn't sell it. It weakens the whole brand. It's not the rolling Downs of Hampshire that fuel the image......

Large businesses should never be involved with politics."

So give us the link to the report that says its illegal.

If you can....

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

It's been given by several other people already......go look.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"It's been given by several other people already......go look. "

No, they haven't. I cant see any link to any report that says M&S has broken the law.

There seems to be quite a pattern developing with your threads how it's down to 'some email at work' that proves the BBC is censored, yet you can't tell us how. Or you know someone who is 'embedded' with someone or other who has proof that the US are arming ISIS, yet the only people who embed are journalists but the person you know, despite being embedded isn't a journalist. Now the illegality is detailed in some report that you have seen, but refuse to tell us where we can see it. It's all bit childish and silly if I'm honest.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I've never talked about 'an email at work' lol.

The rest of your post is rubbish too.

There are at least two other people on this thread talking about Scotch being a protected item by law and at least one citing the source of the law. Why just not read through what's been read.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

And while you are at it, do yourself a favour and look for the information about the US arming ISIS (as was). It's not hard to do.

The other matter I've already discussed. Be grown up and stop this- an embedded source is never revealed. If you don't accept it, fine. It doesn't make you right. At best, just wait. At some point, it will be reported.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's been given by several other people already......go look.

No, they haven't. I cant see any link to any report that says M&S has broken the law.

There seems to be quite a pattern developing with your threads how it's down to 'some email at work' that proves the BBC is censored, yet you can't tell us how. Or you know someone who is 'embedded' with someone or other who has proof that the US are arming ISIS, yet the only people who embed are journalists but the person you know, despite being embedded isn't a journalist. Now the illegality is detailed in some report that you have seen, but refuse to tell us where we can see it. It's all bit childish and silly if I'm honest. "

when are you "ever" honest

more like mischievous, cunning & repeatfull

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"I've never talked about 'an email at work' lol.

The rest of your post is rubbish too.

There are at least two other people on this thread talking about Scotch being a protected item by law and at least one citing the source of the law. Why just not read through what's been read. "

No? Never talked about an email at work?

Did you say "The report I read is not available to share as it's internal"

Followed by "I suspect that even if I cut and pasted the original details from the email, you'd still not get the point. Don't let it tax you anymore ))) Lol."

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"And while you are at it, do yourself a favour and look for the information about the US arming ISIS (as was). It's not hard to do.

The other matter I've already discussed. Be grown up and stop this- an embedded source is never revealed. If you don't accept it, fine. It doesn't make you right. At best, just wait. At some point, it will be reported.

"

As was pointed out to you repeatedly, an embed is a term used to refer to journalists being placed with military units. The whole point of journists is to report on news, journalists are of course revealed, as the military wouldn't let someone embed with them with knowing who they were, who they worked for etc.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"I've never talked about 'an email at work' lol.

The rest of your post is rubbish too.

There are at least two other people on this thread talking about Scotch being a protected item by law and at least one citing the source of the law. Why just not read through what's been read. "

You provided a quote, but refused to say where you got it from.

Next you refer to a report and say it was quoted by others (it wasn't) now you are saying it's not a report, but an act of Parliament. Which is it? A report or a law? And where was your quote from?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

1) 'internal' does not mean 'at work'.

2) there's ample referral in the thread to the fact that scotch is a legally defined product. I certainly refuse to do legwork for you that you're way too lazy to do yourself. You've exhausted your case on that.

3) you can bang on all you like about embedded sources based on your results from Google but I can assure you the source is not militarily embedded. Nor journalistic. What the details are, is not your business. I think others would be more concerned about your pedantry and total disregard to the facts of genocide.

4) this is a swinging site. Stop trying to bully, contort and confuscate what's said and go take it out somewhere else.

In short, move on.

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By *ilent.KnightMan
over a year ago

Swindon

Iirc I’m the only poster who has gone and found the SI. And my interpretation was it was directed at the bottlers and distilleries. Not the end seller. I’m happy to be corrected. But I don’t want to be misquoted.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Sorry, wasn't quoting you.

It' s not difficult to find, really. EC. regulation No 110/2008 and Spirit Drinks 2008. I think there might be more but tbh, I'm bored with this

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"Sorry, wasn't quoting you.

It' s not difficult to find, really. EC. regulation No 110/2008 and Spirit Drinks 2008. I think there might be more but tbh, I'm bored with this"

It's funny how quickly you get bored when you have been so thoroughly shown up!

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me what we should call a whisky that is blended from whiskies from around the British Isles whether it contains some whisky from Scotland or not.

I've also not seen anything either here or anywhere that says it illegal to call Scottish Whisky British Whisky. I've only seen rules that say it's illegal to call whisky that is not totally from Scotland and made to certain rules Scotch or Scottish Whisky.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm still waiting for someone to tell me what we should call a whisky that is blended from whiskies from around the British Isles whether it contains some whisky from Scotland or not.

I've also not seen anything either here or anywhere that says it illegal to call Scottish Whisky British Whisky. I've only seen rules that say it's illegal to call whisky that is not totally from Scotland and made to certain rules Scotch or Scottish Whisky."

Can you enlighten us with this brand of whisky

I would be surprised if any Scottish distiller would agree and allow this with their brand, what are the names of these specific blends?

If the distillers agree then there should be no problem, but doubt very much if a distiller would agree to this

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Sorry, wasn't quoting you.

It' s not difficult to find, really. EC. regulation No 110/2008 and Spirit Drinks 2008. I think there might be more but tbh, I'm bored with this

It's funny how quickly you get bored when you have been so thoroughly shown up! "

Is that the best you can do lol.? You were too lazy to go look yourself or maybe, more likely, you found the relevant ruling but you either didn't understand it or it contradicted you're stance. You should be happy now you are enlightened but you are not.That's why I'm bored of it. There's no point wasting time on a discussion with you.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"Sorry, wasn't quoting you.

It' s not difficult to find, really. EC. regulation No 110/2008 and Spirit Drinks 2008. I think there might be more but tbh, I'm bored with this

It's funny how quickly you get bored when you have been so thoroughly shown up!

Is that the best you can do lol.? You were too lazy to go look yourself or maybe, more likely, you found the relevant ruling but you either didn't understand it or it contradicted you're stance. You should be happy now you are enlightened but you are not.That's why I'm bored of it. There's no point wasting time on a discussion with you. "

I'm perfectly happy that your quote came from a trade body's rules. I'm perfectly happy that the law covers whiskey made outside of Scotland not calling it Scottish, but doesn't cover Scottish whiskey describing itself as British. I'm quite happy that you have made yourself look daft again on this thread with your misunderstanding of simple words such aa "embed". I'm quite happy that no newspaper has reported on M&S breaking the law (because they didn't). I'm quite happy watching you squirm trying to say that you didn't get your information from work.

So yeah, pretty happy really

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

You're in your own reality again. Glad you're happy. It's a simple way to be. Stupid, but simple. Now go relieve your frustrations elsewhere.......

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"You're in your own reality again. Glad you're happy. It's a simple way to be. Stupid, but simple. Now go relieve your frustrations elsewhere.......

"

Haha, your are the one so frustrated at a retail website you had to start a thread about it and lie about it being illegal!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Gosh, you're giving yourself so much stress angsting about stuff that's not actually a reality.

Go troll someone else.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Gosh, you're giving yourself so much stress angsting about stuff that's not actually a reality.

Go troll someone else."

Hes got previous for this just ignore

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By *utandbigMan
over a year ago

Bournemouth

I thought it was man

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"Gosh, you're giving yourself so much stress angsting about stuff that's not actually a reality.

Go troll someone else."

Yeah, you are stressing about a supermarket website and pretending they have broken the law! It's not reality you know!

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"Gosh, you're giving yourself so much stress angsting about stuff that's not actually a reality.

Go troll someone else.

Hes got previous for this just ignore "

It's true, I have got form for calling out liars on the forums

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By *utandbigMan
over a year ago

Bournemouth


"Gosh, you're giving yourself so much stress angsting about stuff that's not actually a reality.

Go troll someone else.

Hes got previous for this just ignore

It's true, I have got form for calling out liars on the forums "

Good for you there’s to many brexiteers on who lie

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"Gosh, you're giving yourself so much stress angsting about stuff that's not actually a reality.

Go troll someone else.

Hes got previous for this just ignore

It's true, I have got form for calling out liars on the forums

Good for you there’s to many brexiteers on who lie "

All nationalists lie whether BREXITers or Scot Nats. In just something in their nature that they can't really help.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Gosh, you're giving yourself so much stress angsting about stuff that's not actually a reality.

Go troll someone else.

Hes got previous for this just ignore

It's true, I have got form for calling out liars on the forums

Good for you there’s to many brexiteers on who lie

All nationalists lie whether BREXITers or Scot Nats. In just something in their nature that they can't really help."

now that is such a silly statement "All Nationalists"

It would be like me saying All Remainers are "Executioner's" branding them all together simply because one silly remainer stated this quote below;

.

Farage and his cronies were to blame

People who are raciest need to be put up against the wall and pull the trigger

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"Gosh, you're giving yourself so much stress angsting about stuff that's not actually a reality.

Go troll someone else.

Hes got previous for this just ignore

It's true, I have got form for calling out liars on the forums

Good for you there’s to many brexiteers on who lie

All nationalists lie whether BREXITers or Scot Nats. In just something in their nature that they can't really help.

now that is such a silly statement "All Nationalists"

It would be like me saying All Remainers are "Executioner's" branding them all together simply because one silly remainer stated this quote below;

.

Farage and his cronies were to blame

People who are raciest need to be put up against the wall and pull the trigger "

Add "slowly" to the end of that statement and I really can't see anything wrong with it really.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Gosh, you're giving yourself so much stress angsting about stuff that's not actually a reality.

Go troll someone else.

Hes got previous for this just ignore

It's true, I have got form for calling out liars on the forums

Good for you there’s to many brexiteers on who lie

All nationalists lie whether BREXITers or Scot Nats. In just something in their nature that they can't really help.

now that is such a silly statement "All Nationalists"

It would be like me saying All Remainers are "Executioner's" branding them all together simply because one silly remainer stated this quote below;

.

Farage and his cronies were to blame

People who are raciest need to be put up against the wall and pull the trigger

Add "slowly" to the end of that statement and I really can't see anything wrong with it really.

"

another silly comment, what difference would a slow of quick pull to the trigger make, especially if one has a "lightened trigger"

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"Gosh, you're giving yourself so much stress angsting about stuff that's not actually a reality.

Go troll someone else.

Hes got previous for this just ignore

It's true, I have got form for calling out liars on the forums

Good for you there’s to many brexiteers on who lie

All nationalists lie whether BREXITers or Scot Nats. In just something in their nature that they can't really help.

now that is such a silly statement "All Nationalists"

It would be like me saying All Remainers are "Executioner's" branding them all together simply because one silly remainer stated this quote below;

.

Farage and his cronies were to blame

People who are raciest need to be put up against the wall and pull the trigger

Add "slowly" to the end of that statement and I really can't see anything wrong with it really.

another silly comment, what difference would a slow of quick pull to the trigger make, especially if one has a "lightened trigger""

Really! Wow; I'm such an idiot. I always thought that the more slowly you shot someone the longer and more painfully they died. Are you really telling me that it makes no difference? Yet another new thing I've learnt on this site. Thanks!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Really! Wow; I'm such an idiot. "

Yes, indeed you are, glad you realise it too

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By *athy1Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth


"Gosh, you're giving yourself so much stress angsting about stuff that's not actually a reality.

Go troll someone else.

Hes got previous for this just ignore

It's true, I have got form for calling out liars on the forums

Good for you there’s to many brexiteers on who lie

All nationalists lie whether BREXITers or Scot Nats. In just something in their nature that they can't really help.

now that is such a silly statement "All Nationalists"

It would be like me saying All Remainers are "Executioner's" branding them all together simply because one silly remainer stated this quote below;

.

Farage and his cronies were to blame

People who are raciest need to be put up against the wall and pull the trigger

Add "slowly" to the end of that statement and I really can't see anything wrong with it really.

another silly comment, what difference would a slow of quick pull to the trigger make, especially if one has a "lightened trigger"

Really! Wow; I'm such an idiot. I always thought that the more slowly you shot someone the longer and more painfully they died. Are you really telling me that it makes no difference? Yet another new thing I've learnt on this site. Thanks!"

Couldent agree more

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


""It is an offence to promote a Scotch Whisky as belonging to a category to which it does not belong" pretty well covers it. As I said, written in law. Much the same as Cheddar and Champagne.

And it's not about blended whisky, it's about advertising it in the wrong get category. Please read it properly.

So what should we call a whisky that is a blend of English and Scottish Whiskey.

Also Scotch Whiskey is not just whiskey made in Scotland it also has to be made following quite strict rules. I'm not sure that a whiskey made in Scotland (Scottish Whisky) would have to follow the same rules as Scotch Whisky but maybe you could clarify that to."

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M&S is not the concern or threat

.

THE THREAT COMES FROM DIAGEO

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Scotch whisky is arguably the most tightly regulated spirit category in the world, governed by the Scotch Whisky Regulations 2009 and enshrined in UK and European Union law

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World-leading Scotch whisky producer DIAGEO formed a ‘secret task force’ to explore the possibility of changing Scotch whisky’s strict production regulations

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**the company explored the possible creation of a new category of ‘Scotch whisky infusion’, including flavoured or low-alcohol blends sold under existing brand names.

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**The ideas were part of a move to explore ‘whether potential regulatory, technical, legal or other barriers are constraining’ Scotch, as well as ‘the scope for reform’

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**Both ideas, were rebuffed by the Scotch Whisky Association (SWA), at which point the task force is said to have recommended challenging the SWA

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**Among the moves considered by the company last year, according to ‘highly confidential’ documents seen by The Wall Street Journal (WSJ), was one plan to ‘finish’ Scotch whisky in casks previous used to mature Don Julio Tequila

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Its all about the money, money, profit & growth.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

God forbid anyone creates a new product for consumers to try!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"God forbid anyone creates a new product for consumers to try! "

as long as they abide by the rules of

Scotch Whisky Regulations 2009, enshrined in UK and European Union law

don't you agree

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"God forbid anyone creates a new product for consumers to try!

as long as they abide by the rules of

Scotch Whisky Regulations 2009, enshrined in UK and European Union law

don't you agree"

I don't think they should break the law, but if laws are not fit for purpose, or need amending/updating, then there are legal means of doing that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

exactly, they should not break the law

This was reported on BBC Radio 2 news today.

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