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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

Does anyone have a clue on Labour if they are for IN or OUT the single market?

Labour are saying they accept the referendum result and want a truly meaningful vote on the final deal Unless you can reject a damaging deal by "not leaving", the vote is not truly meaningful.

They are all over the place

And Corbyn has lost his fucking marbles and thinks if your a non EU member you can't be in the single market go fucking figure

It's true then Corbyn is all for a hard brexit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Labour has been consistent throughout...it has always argued what is best for the country....they even stood on that platform at the GE....and very nearly won....JC WILL be prime minster soon and not before time....this country needs a revolutionary change the Tories ain't going to deliver that....all we are going to get is more austerity

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

So if the accept the result in the non binding EU referendum and dont want a rerun of it and they want a meaningful vite on the final deal

If they cant agree on the final deal and dont vote for it by Labour logic then that is them saying they wont accept the result of the non binding EU referendum

Still they sit on the fence hoping people will not notice and happy to play games

This is not a fucking game this will ruin peolles lives

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

We voted to leave the EU. We all know and accept that. However we did not vote to commit suicide, nor did we vote to strip all power from parliament and make whoever holds the office of PM a de facto dictator for the purposes of brexit.

Therefore it must be parliament that makes the final decision, and for that to happen there must be a meaningful and BINDING parliamentary vote on the final brexit agreement that can stop or reverse brexit BEFORE it is implemented.

This is not about being a 'swivel eyed brexiteer' or a 'bitter remoaner', this is about the Sovereignty of Parliament and forcing the Government of The Day to acknowledge this.

As for the Labour position, it is simple and has been stated over and over again. Labour will not oppose the will of the people and will not support a second referendum unless there is overwhelming evidence that the deal struck will be disastrous for the UK, but that Parliament must make the final decision.

I find nothing wrong with this nuanced position, in fact I find it quite refreshing. After all Labour are saying the decision should be made by the body we all employ to make these decisions for us.

I would further say I find it strange how many are all for parliamentary democracy when parliament is voting they way they want and totally against it when not. To be honest that smacks to me of people who really want a dictatorship.

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

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Problem is you have Corbyn saying you cant be out the EU and be in the Single fucking liar

Then you have Chuka Umanna say yes you can be a non EU member and be in the single which is true look at Norway

The Labour leader is lying to the people

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"Problem is you have Corbyn saying you cant be out the EU and be in the Single fucking liar

Then you have Chuka Umanna say yes you can be a non EU member and be in the single which is true look at Norway

The Labour leader is lying to the people "

I think JC is being realistic while many on both sides are still in denial and have to face the reality of our position. Further I think this also extends to many in the EU too who are looking for a miracle solution that will give everyone what they need. (It does not exist.)

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

How can the Messiah big JC be realistic when he doesn't seem to know you can be outside the EU and still be in the single market?

Who the hell is advising him ? We don't the know this ?

Again this is no game it will ruin peoples lives

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"How can the Messiah big JC be realistic when he doesn't seem to know you can be outside the EU and still be in the single market?

Who the hell is advising him ? We don't the know this ?

Again this is no game it will ruin peoples lives

"

Because people voted to leave....and that position hasn't changed....although it might do if its a shit deal for the country...hes been saying that from day one....as i said he even stood at the GE saying it

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond


"How can the Messiah big JC be realistic when he doesn't seem to know you can be outside the EU and still be in the single market?

Who the hell is advising him ? We don't the know this ?

Again this is no game it will ruin peoples lives

Because people voted to leave....and that position hasn't changed....although it might do if its a shit deal for the country...hes been saying that from day one....as i said he even stood at the GE saying it "

Right so Labour claim to respect the result to leave the EU and want a meaningful vote on the final brexit deal so if they vote it down that's then not respecting the result lol

They are all over the place trying to play both sides and they be punished on it if they keep this shit up

They need to take a stance on where they stand on brexit and the single market

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"How can the Messiah big JC be realistic when he doesn't seem to know you can be outside the EU and still be in the single market?

Who the hell is advising him ? We don't the know this ?

Again this is no game it will ruin peoples lives

Because people voted to leave....and that position hasn't changed....although it might do if its a shit deal for the country...hes been saying that from day one....as i said he even stood at the GE saying it

Right so Labour claim to respect the result to leave the EU and want a meaningful vote on the final brexit deal so if they vote it down that's then not respecting the result lol

They are all over the place trying to play both sides and they be punished on it if they keep this shit up

They need to take a stance on where they stand on brexit and the single market

"

You do realise theres more appetite for that sort of resolution than against it....me i think its reasonable to take that stance

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond


"How can the Messiah big JC be realistic when he doesn't seem to know you can be outside the EU and still be in the single market?

Who the hell is advising him ? We don't the know this ?

Again this is no game it will ruin peoples lives

Because people voted to leave....and that position hasn't changed....although it might do if its a shit deal for the country...hes been saying that from day one....as i said he even stood at the GE saying it

Right so Labour claim to respect the result to leave the EU and want a meaningful vote on the final brexit deal so if they vote it down that's then not respecting the result lol

They are all over the place trying to play both sides and they be punished on it if they keep this shit up

They need to take a stance on where they stand on brexit and the single market

You do realise theres more appetite for that sort of resolution than against it....me i think its reasonable to take that stance "

Somehow I don't think leave voters will agree with that and any leave voters that are Labour members may end up stooping their membership

Me I want Labour to be 100% clear and say they are all for staying in the single market full membership of the single market

The SNP made it clear they will respect the UK leaving the EU but have full membership of the single market failure on that and a hard brexit well the outcome will be a new Independence referendum

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"How can the Messiah big JC be realistic when he doesn't seem to know you can be outside the EU and still be in the single market?

Who the hell is advising him ? We don't the know this ?

Again this is no game it will ruin peoples lives

Because people voted to leave....and that position hasn't changed....although it might do if its a shit deal for the country...hes been saying that from day one....as i said he even stood at the GE saying it

Right so Labour claim to respect the result to leave the EU and want a meaningful vote on the final brexit deal so if they vote it down that's then not respecting the result lol

They are all over the place trying to play both sides and they be punished on it if they keep this shit up

They need to take a stance on where they stand on brexit and the single market

You do realise theres more appetite for that sort of resolution than against it....me i think its reasonable to take that stance

Somehow I don't think leave voters will agree with that and any leave voters that are Labour members may end up stooping their membership

Me I want Labour to be 100% clear and say they are all for staying in the single market full membership of the single market

The SNP made it clear they will respect the UK leaving the EU but have full membership of the single market failure on that and a hard brexit well the outcome will be a new Independence referendum"

I personally think your wrong....look at the demographics and voters....JC actually increased his majority on that stance....its not the Labour voters like me that need appeasing ...its the Tories

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"Somehow I don't think leave voters will agree with that and any leave voters that are Labour members may end up stooping their membership

Me I want Labour to be 100% clear and say they are all for staying in the single market full membership of the single market

The SNP made it clear they will respect the UK leaving the EU but have full membership of the single market failure on that and a hard brexit well the outcome will be a new Independence referendum"

You may be right about some of the leave voters. But I think many leave votes were cast on the grounds that the voter had been shafted by the elite for decades and suddenly they were given an opportunity to do the same to the elite and jumped at it.

As for the SNP's position, ti is perfectly reasonable regardless of how you look at it. The SNP represent the majority of the Scottish people, and some 60 odd% of the Scottish people voted to remain in the EU. To be honest the SNP are the only party in the UK that can legitimately claim to represent and reflect the aspirations of the majority of their population.

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

Ok let me ask you this is Labour for full single market membership?

Corbyn is saying one thing and Chuka Umunna is saying another

Who should people trust ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ok let me ask you this is Labour for full single market membership?

Corbyn is saying one thing and Chuka Umunna is saying another

Who should people trust ?"

They are for the best deal they can get for the country....if that means remaining in the single market they will do....they will NOT cut our noses off to spite our faces unlike brexiters and a lot of tories

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond


"Ok let me ask you this is Labour for full single market membership?

Corbyn is saying one thing and Chuka Umunna is saying another

Who should people trust ?

They are for the best deal they can get for the country....if that means remaining in the single market they will do....they will NOT cut our noses off to spite our faces unlike brexiters and a lot of tories "

So what your saying they are sitting in the fence

So they dont know if they want full membership of the single market ? Do they get this is not game ?

You must know how important the single market is ?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"So what your saying they are sitting in the fence

So they dont know if they want full membership of the single market ? Do they get this is not game ?

You must know how important the single market is ?

"

They are not sitting on the fence, they are looking to limit the damage done to this country as much as possible. While, in my opinion, May and DD are grandstanding to the brexit lobby in the hope that by doing that they will be able to remain in power.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Ok let me ask you this is Labour for full single market membership?

Corbyn is saying one thing and Chuka Umunna is saying another

Who should people trust ?"

Labour cannot be trusted on Brexit, one way or the other and I said that they couldn't be trusted on Brexit during the general election campaign. Labour's policy on Brexit resembles the hokey y depending on which Labour MP you talk to, one foot in, one foot out, you do the hokey y and you shake it all about. Corbyn is a Brexiter and always has been but he is being held hostage by the bulk of the Labour Parliamentary party on Brexit who wants to keep the UK in (Chukka Ummuna is the voice of the PLP who want to keep us in the EU). Labour say they respect the result of the referendum then you have shadow Brexit secretary Kier Starmer saying we'll end free movement of people from the EU but we'll have Easy movement of people instead (nothing but a sell out). Labours Brexit policy is a complete joke and the public are wising up to the fact that Labour and neither here nor there on Brexit.

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond


"Ok let me ask you this is Labour for full single market membership?

Corbyn is saying one thing and Chuka Umunna is saying another

Who should people trust ?

Labour cannot be trusted on Brexit, one way or the other and I said that they couldn't be trusted on Brexit during the general election campaign. Labour's policy on Brexit resembles the hokey y depending on which Labour MP you talk to, one foot in, one foot out, you do the hokey y and you shake it all about. Corbyn is a Brexiter and always has been but he is being held hostage by the bulk of the Labour Parliamentary party on Brexit who wants to keep the UK in (Chukka Ummuna is the voice of the PLP who want to keep us in the EU). Labour say they respect the result of the referendum then you have shadow Brexit secretary Kier Starmer saying we'll end free movement of people from the EU but we'll have Easy movement of people instead (nothing but a sell out). Labours Brexit policy is a complete joke and the public are wising up to the fact that Labour and neither here nor there on Brexit. "

I dont know why your grinning like a chesire cat for the Tories cant be trusted either

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

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"So what your saying they are sitting in the fence

So they dont know if they want full membership of the single market ? Do they get this is not game ?

You must know how important the single market is ?

They are not sitting on the fence, they are looking to limit the damage done to this country as much as possible. While, in my opinion, May and DD are grandstanding to the brexit lobby in the hope that by doing that they will be able to remain in power."

Yet nobody knows if Labour are for full membership of the single market or not

If they want to limit the damage then time for them to tell us all they are for keeping the UK in the single market

This aint no game this shit is serious

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Looks like Labour are doing the hokey c0key on Brexit and membership of the single market/customs union again on BBC Question Time tonight. The Labour lady on the panel is all over the shop on Labour's Brexit policy.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Ok let me ask you this is Labour for full single market membership?

Corbyn is saying one thing and Chuka Umunna is saying another

Who should people trust ?

Labour cannot be trusted on Brexit, one way or the other and I said that they couldn't be trusted on Brexit during the general election campaign. Labour's policy on Brexit resembles the hokey y depending on which Labour MP you talk to, one foot in, one foot out, you do the hokey y and you shake it all about. Corbyn is a Brexiter and always has been but he is being held hostage by the bulk of the Labour Parliamentary party on Brexit who wants to keep the UK in (Chukka Ummuna is the voice of the PLP who want to keep us in the EU). Labour say they respect the result of the referendum then you have shadow Brexit secretary Kier Starmer saying we'll end free movement of people from the EU but we'll have Easy movement of people instead (nothing but a sell out). Labours Brexit policy is a complete joke and the public are wising up to the fact that Labour and neither here nor there on Brexit.

I dont know why your grinning like a chesire cat for the Tories cant be trusted either

"

The Tory position on Brexit is very clear, and it's leave the EU, leave the single market and leave the customs union. This was also put into the text of the phase 1 agreement with the EU. The UK and the EU are now in the process of making it legally binding before phase 2 starts. It's also in the EU withdrawal bill which just past 2nd reading in the House of Commons that we will leave the single market and the customs union.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"How can the Messiah big JC be realistic when he doesn't seem to know you can be outside the EU and still be in the single market?

Who the hell is advising him ? We don't the know this ?

Again this is no game it will ruin peoples lives

Because people voted to leave....and that position hasn't changed....although it might do if its a shit deal for the country...hes been saying that from day one....as i said he even stood at the GE saying it

Right so Labour claim to respect the result to leave the EU and want a meaningful vote on the final brexit deal so if they vote it down that's then not respecting the result lol

They are all over the place trying to play both sides and they be punished on it if they keep this shit up

They need to take a stance on where they stand on brexit and the single market

You do realise theres more appetite for that sort of resolution than against it....me i think its reasonable to take that stance

Somehow I don't think leave voters will agree with that and any leave voters that are Labour members may end up stooping their membership

Me I want Labour to be 100% clear and say they are all for staying in the single market full membership of the single market

The SNP made it clear they will respect the UK leaving the EU but have full membership of the single market failure on that and a hard brexit well the outcome will be a new Independence referendum

I personally think your wrong....look at the demographics and voters....JC actually increased his majority on that stance....its not the Labour voters like me that need appeasing ...its the Tories "

I've been reluctant to comment on this thread because I'm finding I agree with a lot of what you and KinkyH are saying but also disagree with a lot of what both of you are saying too. However, on having to appease Tories or Labour voters I think your analysis is wrong. It's true that about 25% to 30% of Labour voters actually support BREXIT but a lot of that is concentrated in pretty strong Labour seats which, even with a large swing to the Conservatives as seen in the last GE, isn't enough to loose those seats. However, whilst about 25% to 30% of Conservatives supported remain and there was a smaller swing in not so safe Conservative remain seats to Labour, that swing was enough to cause enough of those seats to be lost. We don't need to appease BREXITers in either the Conservative or Labour party, we need to take them on head-on and defeat them in both. If that leaves either or both parties weaker as a result then so be it. We all have to start putting country before party if we want to stand any reasonable chance of stopping BREXIT.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"Ok let me ask you this is Labour for full single market membership?

Corbyn is saying one thing and Chuka Umunna is saying another

Who should people trust ?"

I trust Chuka but believe Corbyn. Chuka is correct, we can be in the Single Market but not in the EU. Corbyn has always been a BREXITer and will happily take Britain out of the EU, Single Market and Customs Union.

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over a year ago


"Ok let me ask you this is Labour for full single market membership?

Corbyn is saying one thing and Chuka Umunna is saying another

Who should people trust ?

They are for the best deal they can get for the country....if that means remaining in the single market they will do....they will NOT cut our noses off to spite our faces unlike brexiters and a lot of tories

So what your saying they are sitting in the fence

So they dont know if they want full membership of the single market ? Do they get this is not game ?

You must know how important the single market is ?

"

They are not sitting on the fence. The Tories are trying to sort a deal out .Of which any leave, stay or any right minded person will want the beat deal possible.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"Ok let me ask you this is Labour for full single market membership?

Corbyn is saying one thing and Chuka Umunna is saying another

Who should people trust ?

They are for the best deal they can get for the country....if that means remaining in the single market they will do....they will NOT cut our noses off to spite our faces unlike brexiters and a lot of tories

So what your saying they are sitting in the fence

So they dont know if they want full membership of the single market ? Do they get this is not game ?

You must know how important the single market is ?

They are not sitting on the fence. The Tories are trying to sort a deal out .Of which any leave, stay or any right minded person will want the beat deal possible. "

We already have the best deal possible.

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over a year ago


"Ok let me ask you this is Labour for full single market membership?

Corbyn is saying one thing and Chuka Umunna is saying another

Who should people trust ?

They are for the best deal they can get for the country....if that means remaining in the single market they will do....they will NOT cut our noses off to spite our faces unlike brexiters and a lot of tories

So what your saying they are sitting in the fence

So they dont know if they want full membership of the single market ? Do they get this is not game ?

You must know how important the single market is ?

They are not sitting on the fence. The Tories are trying to sort a deal out .Of which any leave, stay or any right minded person will want the beat deal possible.

We already have the best deal possible."

Explain?

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By *utandbigMan
over a year ago

Bournemouth


"Ok let me ask you this is Labour for full single market membership?

Corbyn is saying one thing and Chuka Umunna is saying another

Who should people trust ?

They are for the best deal they can get for the country....if that means remaining in the single market they will do....they will NOT cut our noses off to spite our faces unlike brexiters and a lot of tories

So what your saying they are sitting in the fence

So they dont know if they want full membership of the single market ? Do they get this is not game ?

You must know how important the single market is ?

They are not sitting on the fence. The Tories are trying to sort a deal out .Of which any leave, stay or any right minded person will want the beat deal possible.

We already have the best deal possible. Explain? "

we won’t get any better deal

We’re all in the shit watch this space

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ok let me ask you this is Labour for full single market membership?

Corbyn is saying one thing and Chuka Umunna is saying another

Who should people trust ?

They are for the best deal they can get for the country....if that means remaining in the single market they will do....they will NOT cut our noses off to spite our faces unlike brexiters and a lot of tories

So what your saying they are sitting in the fence

So they dont know if they want full membership of the single market ? Do they get this is not game ?

You must know how important the single market is ?

They are not sitting on the fence. The Tories are trying to sort a deal out .Of which any leave, stay or any right minded person will want the beat deal possible.

We already have the best deal possible. Explain? we won’t get any better deal

We’re all in the shit watch this space "

How can you predict the future. It's happening so there will be an end result. So jump on board

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"Ok let me ask you this is Labour for full single market membership?

Corbyn is saying one thing and Chuka Umunna is saying another

Who should people trust ?

They are for the best deal they can get for the country....if that means remaining in the single market they will do....they will NOT cut our noses off to spite our faces unlike brexiters and a lot of tories

So what your saying they are sitting in the fence

So they dont know if they want full membership of the single market ? Do they get this is not game ?

You must know how important the single market is ?

They are not sitting on the fence. The Tories are trying to sort a deal out .Of which any leave, stay or any right minded person will want the beat deal possible.

We already have the best deal possible. Explain? we won’t get any better deal

We’re all in the shit watch this space How can you predict the future. It's happening so there will be an end result. So jump on board "

Is it? Then maybe you can explain to me how it's actually going to happen but, at the same time, we're going to remain in regularity alignment with the EU. That simple phrase 'regularity alignment' leaves only two possible choices left. A fake BREXIT, where we say we've left, give up out right to influence the rules but still have to follow them all any how, or no BREXIT, where we stay just as we are now. The BREXITers really need to wake up, open their eyes, start smelling the coffee and accept the reality of what is actually happening.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ok let me ask you this is Labour for full single market membership?

Corbyn is saying one thing and Chuka Umunna is saying another

Who should people trust ?

They are for the best deal they can get for the country....if that means remaining in the single market they will do....they will NOT cut our noses off to spite our faces unlike brexiters and a lot of tories

So what your saying they are sitting in the fence

So they dont know if they want full membership of the single market ? Do they get this is not game ?

You must know how important the single market is ?

They are not sitting on the fence. The Tories are trying to sort a deal out .Of which any leave, stay or any right minded person will want the beat deal possible.

We already have the best deal possible. Explain? we won’t get any better deal

We’re all in the shit watch this space How can you predict the future. It's happening so there will be an end result. So jump on board

Is it? Then maybe you can explain to me how it's actually going to happen but, at the same time, we're going to remain in regularity alignment with the EU. That simple phrase 'regularity alignment' leaves only two possible choices left. A fake BREXIT, where we say we've left, give up out right to influence the rules but still have to follow them all any how, or no BREXIT, where we stay just as we are now. The BREXITers really need to wake up, open their eyes, start smelling the coffee and accept the reality of what is actually happening."

As I said to you not to predict future I'm not going to am I. Only 29th of March next year we will know what's what and the ramifications. Catch you then. If you can predict a few out comes of the football for my coupon this weekend . I'll be so grateful

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Ok let me ask you this is Labour for full single market membership?

Corbyn is saying one thing and Chuka Umunna is saying another

Who should people trust ?

They are for the best deal they can get for the country....if that means remaining in the single market they will do....they will NOT cut our noses off to spite our faces unlike brexiters and a lot of tories

So what your saying they are sitting in the fence

So they dont know if they want full membership of the single market ? Do they get this is not game ?

You must know how important the single market is ?

They are not sitting on the fence. The Tories are trying to sort a deal out .Of which any leave, stay or any right minded person will want the beat deal possible.

We already have the best deal possible. Explain? we won’t get any better deal

We’re all in the shit watch this space How can you predict the future. It's happening so there will be an end result. So jump on board

Is it? Then maybe you can explain to me how it's actually going to happen but, at the same time, we're going to remain in regularity alignment with the EU. That simple phrase 'regularity alignment' leaves only two possible choices left. A fake BREXIT, where we say we've left, give up out right to influence the rules but still have to follow them all any how, or no BREXIT, where we stay just as we are now. The BREXITers really need to wake up, open their eyes, start smelling the coffee and accept the reality of what is actually happening. As I said to you not to predict future I'm not going to am I. Only 29th of March next year we will know what's what and the ramifications. Catch you then. If you can predict a few out comes of the football for my coupon this weekend . I'll be so grateful "

I wouldn't take any betting tips from Remainers if I were you. Most of them said remain would win the referendum......then they lost. Many of these same people also predicted Hillary Clinton would win the US Presidency.....then she lost. So yeah, taking betting tips from Remainers is almost guaranteed to lose you your money.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ok let me ask you this is Labour for full single market membership?

Corbyn is saying one thing and Chuka Umunna is saying another

Who should people trust ?

They are for the best deal they can get for the country....if that means remaining in the single market they will do....they will NOT cut our noses off to spite our faces unlike brexiters and a lot of tories

So what your saying they are sitting in the fence

So they dont know if they want full membership of the single market ? Do they get this is not game ?

You must know how important the single market is ?

They are not sitting on the fence. The Tories are trying to sort a deal out .Of which any leave, stay or any right minded person will want the beat deal possible.

We already have the best deal possible. Explain? we won’t get any better deal

We’re all in the shit watch this space How can you predict the future. It's happening so there will be an end result. So jump on board

Is it? Then maybe you can explain to me how it's actually going to happen but, at the same time, we're going to remain in regularity alignment with the EU. That simple phrase 'regularity alignment' leaves only two possible choices left. A fake BREXIT, where we say we've left, give up out right to influence the rules but still have to follow them all any how, or no BREXIT, where we stay just as we are now. The BREXITers really need to wake up, open their eyes, start smelling the coffee and accept the reality of what is actually happening. As I said to you not to predict future I'm not going to am I. Only 29th of March next year we will know what's what and the ramifications. Catch you then. If you can predict a few out comes of the football for my coupon this weekend . I'll be so grateful

I wouldn't take any betting tips from Remainers if I were you. Most of them said remain would win the referendum......then they lost. Many of these same people also predicted Hillary Clinton would win the US Presidency.....then she lost. So yeah, taking betting tips from Remainers is almost guaranteed to lose you your money. "

Good point.. pin it is then

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By *athy1Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth


"Ok let me ask you this is Labour for full single market membership?

Corbyn is saying one thing and Chuka Umunna is saying another

Who should people trust ?

They are for the best deal they can get for the country....if that means remaining in the single market they will do....they will NOT cut our noses off to spite our faces unlike brexiters and a lot of tories

So what your saying they are sitting in the fence

So they dont know if they want full membership of the single market ? Do they get this is not game ?

You must know how important the single market is ?

They are not sitting on the fence. The Tories are trying to sort a deal out .Of which any leave, stay or any right minded person will want the beat deal possible.

We already have the best deal possible. Explain? we won’t get any better deal

We’re all in the shit watch this space How can you predict the future. It's happening so there will be an end result. So jump on board

Is it? Then maybe you can explain to me how it's actually going to happen but, at the same time, we're going to remain in regularity alignment with the EU. That simple phrase 'regularity alignment' leaves only two possible choices left. A fake BREXIT, where we say we've left, give up out right to influence the rules but still have to follow them all any how, or no BREXIT, where we stay just as we are now. The BREXITers really need to wake up, open their eyes, start smelling the coffee and accept the reality of what is actually happening. As I said to you not to predict future I'm not going to am I. Only 29th of March next year we will know what's what and the ramifications. Catch you then. If you can predict a few out comes of the football for my coupon this weekend . I'll be so grateful

I wouldn't take any betting tips from Remainers if I were you. Most of them said remain would win the referendum......then they lost. Many of these same people also predicted Hillary Clinton would win the US Presidency.....then she lost. So yeah, taking betting tips from Remainers is almost guaranteed to lose you your money. "

I’ve heard that quote from you many times do you like copy and paste

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"[Removed by poster at 12/01/18 16:22:11]"

I saw that post before you deleted it. You keep doing this repeatedly posting the same thing then deleting it, you have been reported to moderators. I think you know you're in the wrong doing what you're doing otherwise you wouldn't keep deleting the same comments. I've seen what your doing though and it hasn't gone unnoticed, let's hope moderators take appropriate action.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Me i did nothing

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Me i did nothing "

We'll let the moderators decide that shall we. You may have deleted the comment but it will still be visible to moderators. You've also done this exact same thing on multiple threads and multiple posts now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *utandbigMan
over a year ago

Bournemouth

I don’t like people that report to moderators

Shows a big sign of weakness

Cyber bullies I call them

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"I don’t like people that report to moderators

Shows a big sign of weakness

Cyber bullies I call them "

Stay within the forum rules then. There is an old saying If you can't do the time don't do the crime.

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By *utandbigMan
over a year ago

Bournemouth

[Removed by poster at 12/01/18 16:58:21]

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By *utandbigMan
over a year ago

Bournemouth


"I don’t like people that report to moderators

Shows a big sign of weakness

Cyber bullies I call them

Stay within the forum rules then. There is an old saying If you can't do the time don't do the crime. "

Ile repeat myself I don’t like people that report people

Shows a sign of a weak person

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"[Removed by poster at 12/01/18 16:58:21]"

It's no good deleting I saw what you said which was exactly the same as your last post.

So in reply I'll repeat what I said.....stay within the forum rules then. There is an old saying if you can't do the time don't do the crime.

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By *athy1Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth


"[Removed by poster at 12/01/18 16:58:21]

It's no good deleting I saw what you said which was exactly the same as your last post.

So in reply I'll repeat what I said.....stay within the forum rules then. There is an old saying if you can't do the time don't do the crime. "

Still awaiting a reply from you as your allways copy and pasting

But you will come up some other quote about some other rubbish

Secrets swingers Party coming up in two weeks you going again

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

And this thread illustrates the problem with having a nuanced view, based around doing what's best in the future depending upon what has happened in the mean time.

People seem to want baseless rhetoric and implode if they don't get it.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"[Removed by poster at 12/01/18 16:58:21]

It's no good deleting I saw what you said which was exactly the same as your last post.

So in reply I'll repeat what I said.....stay within the forum rules then. There is an old saying if you can't do the time don't do the crime.

Still awaiting a reply from you as your allways copy and pasting

But you will come up some other quote about some other rubbish

Secrets swingers Party coming up in two weeks you going again

"

I'll use copy and paste if needed like anyone else. It's a tool to be used just like any other tool, if it's available then make use of it when needed.

As for Secrets swingers club it's for couples and single female's only. Single guys are not allowed at Secrets. I enjoyed the club on my last visit with the lovely Miss Mia Wallace as we attended the club together as a MF couple. I've attended many clubs with Miss Mia Wallace as my verifications prove, not that it's any of your business.

This is the politics forum I suggest if you want to talk about clubs you go to swingers chat forum or swingers clubs and events forum.

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod

over a year ago

O o O oo

Keep the personal comments away from the forum please.

Also, as some people so obviously rub each other up the wrong way maybe it is time to just avoid each others posts altogether

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby


"[Removed by poster at 12/01/18 16:58:21]

It's no good deleting I saw what you said which was exactly the same as your last post.

So in reply I'll repeat what I said.....stay within the forum rules then. There is an old saying if you can't do the time don't do the crime. "

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod

over a year ago

O o O oo


"I don’t like people that report to moderators

Shows a big sign of weakness

Cyber bullies I call them "

Helping the site be a better place is how Admin describe them, please don't attack people for that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"[Removed by poster at 12/01/18 16:58:21]

It's no good deleting I saw what you said which was exactly the same as your last post.

So in reply I'll repeat what I said.....stay within the forum rules then. There is an old saying if you can't do the time don't do the crime. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wha gwaan.?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"Ok let me ask you this is Labour for full single market membership?

Corbyn is saying one thing and Chuka Umunna is saying another

Who should people trust ?

They are for the best deal they can get for the country....if that means remaining in the single market they will do....they will NOT cut our noses off to spite our faces unlike brexiters and a lot of tories

So what your saying they are sitting in the fence

So they dont know if they want full membership of the single market ? Do they get this is not game ?

You must know how important the single market is ?

They are not sitting on the fence. The Tories are trying to sort a deal out .Of which any leave, stay or any right minded person will want the beat deal possible.

We already have the best deal possible. Explain? we won’t get any better deal

We’re all in the shit watch this space How can you predict the future. It's happening so there will be an end result. So jump on board

Is it? Then maybe you can explain to me how it's actually going to happen but, at the same time, we're going to remain in regularity alignment with the EU. That simple phrase 'regularity alignment' leaves only two possible choices left. A fake BREXIT, where we say we've left, give up out right to influence the rules but still have to follow them all any how, or no BREXIT, where we stay just as we are now. The BREXITers really need to wake up, open their eyes, start smelling the coffee and accept the reality of what is actually happening. As I said to you not to predict future I'm not going to am I. Only 29th of March next year we will know what's what and the ramifications. Catch you then. If you can predict a few out comes of the football for my coupon this weekend . I'll be so grateful "

I'm not a betting man so can't help you with your coupon. I also don't need to be able to predict the furniture in order to understand what the agreements already made actually mean. If you don't thing that the already agreed Regularity Alignment with the EU means keeping our regulations in alignment with the EU's then please tell me what exactly you think it does mean.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Ok let me ask you this is Labour for full single market membership?

Corbyn is saying one thing and Chuka Umunna is saying another

Who should people trust ?

They are for the best deal they can get for the country....if that means remaining in the single market they will do....they will NOT cut our noses off to spite our faces unlike brexiters and a lot of tories

So what your saying they are sitting in the fence

So they dont know if they want full membership of the single market ? Do they get this is not game ?

You must know how important the single market is ?

They are not sitting on the fence. The Tories are trying to sort a deal out .Of which any leave, stay or any right minded person will want the beat deal possible.

We already have the best deal possible. Explain? we won’t get any better deal

We’re all in the shit watch this space How can you predict the future. It's happening so there will be an end result. So jump on board

Is it? Then maybe you can explain to me how it's actually going to happen but, at the same time, we're going to remain in regularity alignment with the EU. That simple phrase 'regularity alignment' leaves only two possible choices left. A fake BREXIT, where we say we've left, give up out right to influence the rules but still have to follow them all any how, or no BREXIT, where we stay just as we are now. The BREXITers really need to wake up, open their eyes, start smelling the coffee and accept the reality of what is actually happening. As I said to you not to predict future I'm not going to am I. Only 29th of March next year we will know what's what and the ramifications. Catch you then. If you can predict a few out comes of the football for my coupon this weekend . I'll be so grateful

I'm not a betting man so can't help you with your coupon. I also don't need to be able to predict the furniture in order to understand what the agreements already made actually mean. If you don't thing that the already agreed Regularity Alignment with the EU means keeping our regulations in alignment with the EU's then please tell me what exactly you think it does mean. "

The phase 1 agreement text clearly says regulatory alignment will only be applied as a last resort. So everything is up for negotiation in phase 2. Many remainers said before the phase 1 agreement was reached that the EU would never allow the role of the ECJ to be ended in Britain but that is exactly what happened with the phase 1 agreement and is now in the process of being made legally binding.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"Ok let me ask you this is Labour for full single market membership?

Corbyn is saying one thing and Chuka Umunna is saying another

Who should people trust ?

They are for the best deal they can get for the country....if that means remaining in the single market they will do....they will NOT cut our noses off to spite our faces unlike brexiters and a lot of tories

So what your saying they are sitting in the fence

So they dont know if they want full membership of the single market ? Do they get this is not game ?

You must know how important the single market is ?

They are not sitting on the fence. The Tories are trying to sort a deal out .Of which any leave, stay or any right minded person will want the beat deal possible.

We already have the best deal possible. Explain? we won’t get any better deal

We’re all in the shit watch this space How can you predict the future. It's happening so there will be an end result. So jump on board

Is it? Then maybe you can explain to me how it's actually going to happen but, at the same time, we're going to remain in regularity alignment with the EU. That simple phrase 'regularity alignment' leaves only two possible choices left. A fake BREXIT, where we say we've left, give up out right to influence the rules but still have to follow them all any how, or no BREXIT, where we stay just as we are now. The BREXITers really need to wake up, open their eyes, start smelling the coffee and accept the reality of what is actually happening. As I said to you not to predict future I'm not going to am I. Only 29th of March next year we will know what's what and the ramifications. Catch you then. If you can predict a few out comes of the football for my coupon this weekend . I'll be so grateful

I'm not a betting man so can't help you with your coupon. I also don't need to be able to predict the furniture in order to understand what the agreements already made actually mean. If you don't thing that the already agreed Regularity Alignment with the EU means keeping our regulations in alignment with the EU's then please tell me what exactly you think it does mean.

The phase 1 agreement text clearly says regulatory alignment will only be applied as a last resort. So everything is up for negotiation in phase 2. Many remainers said before the phase 1 agreement was reached that the EU would never allow the role of the ECJ to be ended in Britain but that is exactly what happened with the phase 1 agreement and is now in the process of being made legally binding. "

No, everything is not up for negotiation in phase 2. Phase 1 has set regularity alignment between Northern Ireland and the Republic as the minimum fall back position. The Government has ruled out a separate deal for Northern Ireland from the rest of the UK therefore it has ruled in the UK being in regularity alignment with the Irish Republic, which means regularity alignment with the EU as a minimum. The only thing left to negotiate now is how much say we have on what those regulations we're going to be aligned with actually are. Outside the EU little or none and definitely less than the Irish Republic or inside the EU with as much as France, Germany or Italy. I told you back in the referendum campaign that this is exactly where we'd end and even the exact reason why we'd end up here if the leave vote won. The sooner you and the rest of the BREXITers accept the reality of what has actually happened, stop stamping your feet like spoilt children who've just been told you can't have what you asked for, and start working with us towards the best of the two remaining possible outcomes the better for all.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby


"We voted to leave the EU. We all know and accept that.

"

Heseltine, Clarke, Blair, Adonis,etc, and many on here don't.


"

Therefore it must be parliament that makes the final decision....... this is about the Sovereignty of Parliament.

I would further say I find it strange how many are all for parliamentary democracy when parliament is voting they way they want and totally against it when not. To be honest that smacks to me of people who really want a dictatorship. "

Gina Miller, who went to court to ensure parliamentary sovereignty, on Question Time this week said that she doesn't trust politicians to make the right decisions on Brexit (I.e. how she'd like them to vote), and that there maybe should be a second referendum.

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By *utandbigMan
over a year ago

Bournemouth


"Ok let me ask you this is Labour for full single market membership?

Corbyn is saying one thing and Chuka Umunna is saying another

Who should people trust ?

They are for the best deal they can get for the country....if that means remaining in the single market they will do....they will NOT cut our noses off to spite our faces unlike brexiters and a lot of tories

So what your saying they are sitting in the fence

So they dont know if they want full membership of the single market ? Do they get this is not game ?

You must know how important the single market is ?

They are not sitting on the fence. The Tories are trying to sort a deal out .Of which any leave, stay or any right minded person will want the beat deal possible.

We already have the best deal possible. Explain? we won’t get any better deal

We’re all in the shit watch this space How can you predict the future. It's happening so there will be an end result. So jump on board

Is it? Then maybe you can explain to me how it's actually going to happen but, at the same time, we're going to remain in regularity alignment with the EU. That simple phrase 'regularity alignment' leaves only two possible choices left. A fake BREXIT, where we say we've left, give up out right to influence the rules but still have to follow them all any how, or no BREXIT, where we stay just as we are now. The BREXITers really need to wake up, open their eyes, start smelling the coffee and accept the reality of what is actually happening. As I said to you not to predict future I'm not going to am I. Only 29th of March next year we will know what's what and the ramifications. Catch you then. If you can predict a few out comes of the football for my coupon this weekend . I'll be so grateful

I'm not a betting man so can't help you with your coupon. I also don't need to be able to predict the furniture in order to understand what the agreements already made actually mean. If you don't thing that the already agreed Regularity Alignment with the EU means keeping our regulations in alignment with the EU's then please tell me what exactly you think it does mean.

The phase 1 agreement text clearly says regulatory alignment will only be applied as a last resort. So everything is up for negotiation in phase 2. Many remainers said before the phase 1 agreement was reached that the EU would never allow the role of the ECJ to be ended in Britain but that is exactly what happened with the phase 1 agreement and is now in the process of being made legally binding.

No, everything is not up for negotiation in phase 2. Phase 1 has set regularity alignment between Northern Ireland and the Republic as the minimum fall back position. The Government has ruled out a separate deal for Northern Ireland from the rest of the UK therefore it has ruled in the UK being in regularity alignment with the Irish Republic, which means regularity alignment with the EU as a minimum. The only thing left to negotiate now is how much say we have on what those regulations we're going to be aligned with actually are. Outside the EU little or none and definitely less than the Irish Republic or inside the EU with as much as France, Germany or Italy. I told you back in the referendum campaign that this is exactly where we'd end and even the exact reason why we'd end up here if the leave vote won. The sooner you and the rest of the BREXITers accept the reality of what has actually happened, stop stamping your feet like spoilt children who've just been told you can't have what you asked for, and start working with us towards the best of the two remaining possible outcomes the better for all."

They won’t though they can’t see it through there blinkered eyes ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Labour has been consistent throughout...it has always argued what is best for the country....they even stood on that platform at the GE....and very nearly won....JC WILL be prime minster soon and not before time....this country needs a revolutionary change the Tories ain't going to deliver that....all we are going to get is more austerity "

If you think labour have been consistent then you have been living in a parallel universe.

Corbyn latest statement is simply fact. As re-enforced by Junker and Barnier last week.

We leave the EU in 2019. At that time we leave the single market and customs union. If we are not a member of the EU then we are not a member of anything else.

I’ve watched Andrew Marr and daily politics today. 4 different versions of what labour “will do”... but as they are not in power (they lost the last three elections btw) then it’s not up to them...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We voted to leave the EU. We all know and accept that.

Heseltine, Clarke, Blair, Adonis,etc, and many on here don't.

Therefore it must be parliament that makes the final decision....... this is about the Sovereignty of Parliament.

I would further say I find it strange how many are all for parliamentary democracy when parliament is voting they way they want and totally against it when not. To be honest that smacks to me of people who really want a dictatorship.

Gina Miller, who went to court to ensure parliamentary sovereignty, on Question Time this week said that she doesn't trust politicians to make the right decisions on Brexit (I.e. how she'd like them to vote), and that there maybe should be a second referendum.

"

Gina Miller talk with heap forked tongue!

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