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"It should come as no surprise to anyone that people vote tactically at elections. There will be many people in Scotland who previously have voted SNP in order to keep either the Tories or Labour out but who now see independence as a bigger threat than either of them. You may think that another Tory government is the worst thing that could happen to Scotland but clearly quite a few think that independence would be worse." What it tells you is what we have known all along that that Labour are Red Tories and couldnt care less about Scotland hell they even voted against all powers being devolved to Scotland in the Smith commission If anyone would like to challenge that and claim i am lying the floor is yours to debunk me lol | |||
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" What it tells you is what we have known all along that that Labour are Red Tories and couldnt care less about Scotland hell they even voted against all powers being devolved to Scotland in the Smith commission If anyone would like to challenge that and claim i am lying the floor is yours to debunk me lol " which vote was that? and if it is the vote that i think it was (the one in the EU withdrawal bill) why are you trying to pedal a falsehood yet again that was explained to you at the time.... | |||
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"Labour is a Unionist party. The choice for a Labour supporter, if the thinks the Labour candidate can not win, is whether a Tory government or independence is worse for Scotland. A similar decision also exists for a Conservative supporters if they think the Conservative candidate can not win. Ditto for LibDems. The really interesting question is who would an SNP supporter vote for if they knew the SNP candidate could not win? Or would they/you vote SNP regardless, knowing that do that would lead to a government that you believe would actually be harmful to Scotland?" Not a shocker that Labour are Red Tories The band is still together from 2014 Imagine that eh Labour viters wilking to screw Scotland over and vote Tory Like they didnt know if a independence referendum took place they can still vote no to it But Labour voters actually ok to see a Tory government says it all | |||
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" What it tells you is what we have known all along that that Labour are Red Tories and couldnt care less about Scotland hell they even voted against all powers being devolved to Scotland in the Smith commission If anyone would like to challenge that and claim i am lying the floor is yours to debunk me lol which vote was that? and if it is the vote that i think it was (the one in the EU withdrawal bill) why are you trying to pedal a falsehood yet again that was explained to you at the time...." Nope Fabio proves you have no clue about Scotland In 2014 Scottish independence referendum the Better Together mob offered Scotland extra powers , devo max , Home Rule Which was coined as " The Vow" So the Smith commission aka the Scotland Bill Labour voted against devolving all those powers to Scotland bot a single power Labour wanted to devolve Scotland even though Gordon Brown stood there and told Labour supporters that Labour were putting forward Home Rule for Scotland and Scotland would be a near federial state within the UK Go on i challenge you to name one single power Labour wanted to devolve to Scotland in the Smith Commission ? This will show you how much Labour are against Scotland | |||
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"Labour is a Unionist party. The choice for a Labour supporter, if the thinks the Labour candidate can not win, is whether a Tory government or independence is worse for Scotland. A similar decision also exists for a Conservative supporters if they think the Conservative candidate can not win. Ditto for LibDems. The really interesting question is who would an SNP supporter vote for if they knew the SNP candidate could not win? Or would they/you vote SNP regardless, knowing that do that would lead to a government that you believe would actually be harmful to Scotland? Not a shocker that Labour are Red Tories The band is still together from 2014 Imagine that eh Labour viters wilking to screw Scotland over and vote Tory Like they didnt know if a independence referendum took place they can still vote no to it But Labour voters actually ok to see a Tory government says it all " But if all SNP voters voted Labour (and I personally hope they don't) there would be a much better chance of not having a Tory Government next time. I really think this whole thread is very much a case of the pot calling the kettle black. I also notice that you didn't answer my direct question to you about how you would vote. | |||
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" What it tells you is what we have known all along that that Labour are Red Tories and couldnt care less about Scotland hell they even voted against all powers being devolved to Scotland in the Smith commission If anyone would like to challenge that and claim i am lying the floor is yours to debunk me lol which vote was that? and if it is the vote that i think it was (the one in the EU withdrawal bill) why are you trying to pedal a falsehood yet again that was explained to you at the time.... Nope Fabio proves you have no clue about Scotland In 2014 Scottish independence referendum the Better Together mob offered Scotland extra powers , devo max , Home Rule Which was coined as " The Vow" So the Smith commission aka the Scotland Bill Labour voted against devolving all those powers to Scotland bot a single power Labour wanted to devolve Scotland even though Gordon Brown stood there and told Labour supporters that Labour were putting forward Home Rule for Scotland and Scotland would be a near federial state within the UK Go on i challenge you to name one single power Labour wanted to devolve to Scotland in the Smith Commission ? This will show you how much Labour are against Scotland " You keep using the phrase "home rule" yet couldn't quote any unionist politician who had uses that phrase. I highly doubt they promised a federial [sic] state either. | |||
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" What it tells you is what we have known all along that that Labour are Red Tories and couldnt care less about Scotland hell they even voted against all powers being devolved to Scotland in the Smith commission If anyone would like to challenge that and claim i am lying the floor is yours to debunk me lol which vote was that? and if it is the vote that i think it was (the one in the EU withdrawal bill) why are you trying to pedal a falsehood yet again that was explained to you at the time.... Nope Fabio proves you have no clue about Scotland In 2014 Scottish independence referendum the Better Together mob offered Scotland extra powers , devo max , Home Rule Which was coined as " The Vow" So the Smith commission aka the Scotland Bill Labour voted against devolving all those powers to Scotland bot a single power Labour wanted to devolve Scotland even though Gordon Brown stood there and told Labour supporters that Labour were putting forward Home Rule for Scotland and Scotland would be a near federial state within the UK Go on i challenge you to name one single power Labour wanted to devolve to Scotland in the Smith Commission ? This will show you how much Labour are against Scotland " okay... since we are talking about the vow..... what powers are in "the vow" recommendation report have not been acted upon that are not devolved to you at this present time? (bearing in mind that all the welfare aspects will be fulfilled in april, and were only delayed implementing before at the request of the scottish govenrment) the only part i can see is voting for 16-17 yr olds in scottish elections... which may supprise you becaue i think all 16-17 yr olds should have the right to all in all uk elections | |||
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"Labour is a Unionist party. The choice for a Labour supporter, if the thinks the Labour candidate can not win, is whether a Tory government or independence is worse for Scotland. A similar decision also exists for a Conservative supporters if they think the Conservative candidate can not win. Ditto for LibDems. The really interesting question is who would an SNP supporter vote for if they knew the SNP candidate could not win? Or would they/you vote SNP regardless, knowing that do that would lead to a government that you believe would actually be harmful to Scotland? Not a shocker that Labour are Red Tories The band is still together from 2014 Imagine that eh Labour viters wilking to screw Scotland over and vote Tory Like they didnt know if a independence referendum took place they can still vote no to it But Labour voters actually ok to see a Tory government says it all But if all SNP voters voted Labour (and I personally hope they don't) there would be a much better chance of not having a Tory Government next time. I really think this whole thread is very much a case of the pot calling the kettle black. I also notice that you didn't answer my direct question to you about how you would vote." So whats your excuse for a Tory government in 2015 ? Swap all 56 SNP mps with Scottish Labour branch mps and you would still ended up with a Tory government How would i vote ? Always SNP they hqve the best interests of Scotland at heart Tell me who do you think has Scotlands best interests at heart ? | |||
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" What it tells you is what we have known all along that that Labour are Red Tories and couldnt care less about Scotland hell they even voted against all powers being devolved to Scotland in the Smith commission If anyone would like to challenge that and claim i am lying the floor is yours to debunk me lol which vote was that? and if it is the vote that i think it was (the one in the EU withdrawal bill) why are you trying to pedal a falsehood yet again that was explained to you at the time.... Nope Fabio proves you have no clue about Scotland In 2014 Scottish independence referendum the Better Together mob offered Scotland extra powers , devo max , Home Rule Which was coined as " The Vow" So the Smith commission aka the Scotland Bill Labour voted against devolving all those powers to Scotland bot a single power Labour wanted to devolve Scotland even though Gordon Brown stood there and told Labour supporters that Labour were putting forward Home Rule for Scotland and Scotland would be a near federial state within the UK Go on i challenge you to name one single power Labour wanted to devolve to Scotland in the Smith Commission ? This will show you how much Labour are against Scotland okay... since we are talking about the vow..... what powers are in "the vow" recommendation report have not been acted upon that are not devolved to you at this present time? (bearing in mind that all the welfare aspects will be fulfilled in april, and were only delayed implementing before at the request of the scottish govenrment) the only part i can see is voting for 16-17 yr olds in scottish elections... which may supprise you becaue i think all 16-17 yr olds should have the right to all in all uk elections" Wow you really asked me a question without answering my question to you Try and answer this name one single power Labour wanted to devolve to Scotland in the Smith Commission ? Them we will talk | |||
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"Labour is a Unionist party. The choice for a Labour supporter, if the thinks the Labour candidate can not win, is whether a Tory government or independence is worse for Scotland. A similar decision also exists for a Conservative supporters if they think the Conservative candidate can not win. Ditto for LibDems. The really interesting question is who would an SNP supporter vote for if they knew the SNP candidate could not win? Or would they/you vote SNP regardless, knowing that do that would lead to a government that you believe would actually be harmful to Scotland? Not a shocker that Labour are Red Tories The band is still together from 2014 Imagine that eh Labour viters wilking to screw Scotland over and vote Tory Like they didnt know if a independence referendum took place they can still vote no to it But Labour voters actually ok to see a Tory government says it all But if all SNP voters voted Labour (and I personally hope they don't) there would be a much better chance of not having a Tory Government next time. I really think this whole thread is very much a case of the pot calling the kettle black. I also notice that you didn't answer my direct question to you about how you would vote. So whats your excuse for a Tory government in 2015 ? Swap all 56 SNP mps with Scottish Labour branch mps and you would still ended up with a Tory government How would i vote ? Always SNP they hqve the best interests of Scotland at heart Tell me who do you think has Scotlands best interests at heart ?" I wouldn't vote positively for any party that only had the best interests of Scotland, or any other single part of the UK, at heart. I'm a committed Unionist. I would however consider voting for any party, even if I didn't agree with everything it stood for, if I thought it would help stop something that I believed would be detrimental to the UK. As I believe that the two things most likely to damage the UK, in order of danger, are break up of the UK and BREXIT my vote would go firstly to any Unionist candidate most likely to defeat an SNP candidate but with regard to which of those Unionist candidates is most likely to either reverse BREXIT or support a sensible BREXIT (if such a thing actually exists). So, in order of preference, if I lived in Scotland, I would vote LibDem, Labour or Conservative. As I don't actually live in Scotland my decision is much simpler and based soley on BREXIT and would be LibDem. | |||
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"Labour is a Unionist party. The choice for a Labour supporter, if the thinks the Labour candidate can not win, is whether a Tory government or independence is worse for Scotland. A similar decision also exists for a Conservative supporters if they think the Conservative candidate can not win. Ditto for LibDems. The really interesting question is who would an SNP supporter vote for if they knew the SNP candidate could not win? Or would they/you vote SNP regardless, knowing that do that would lead to a government that you believe would actually be harmful to Scotland? Not a shocker that Labour are Red Tories The band is still together from 2014 Imagine that eh Labour viters wilking to screw Scotland over and vote Tory Like they didnt know if a independence referendum took place they can still vote no to it But Labour voters actually ok to see a Tory government says it all But if all SNP voters voted Labour (and I personally hope they don't) there would be a much better chance of not having a Tory Government next time. I really think this whole thread is very much a case of the pot calling the kettle black. I also notice that you didn't answer my direct question to you about how you would vote. So whats your excuse for a Tory government in 2015 ? Swap all 56 SNP mps with Scottish Labour branch mps and you would still ended up with a Tory government How would i vote ? Always SNP they hqve the best interests of Scotland at heart Tell me who do you think has Scotlands best interests at heart ? I wouldn't vote positively for any party that only had the best interests of Scotland, or any other single part of the UK, at heart. I'm a committed Unionist. I would however consider voting for any party, even if I didn't agree with everything it stood for, if I thought it would help stop something that I believed would be detrimental to the UK. As I believe that the two things most likely to damage the UK, in order of danger, are break up of the UK and BREXIT my vote would go firstly to any Unionist candidate most likely to defeat an SNP candidate but with regard to which of those Unionist candidates is most likely to either reverse BREXIT or support a sensible BREXIT (if such a thing actually exists). So, in order of preference, if I lived in Scotland, I would vote LibDem, Labour or Conservative. As I don't actually live in Scotland my decision is much simpler and based soley on BREXIT and would be LibDem." So rather than work with the SNP to get the Tories out of government you would happy see Labour join up and tactical vote for each other to make sure SNP didnt win ? What was it Milliband said he would rather nit form a government than work with the SNP and others to lock the Tories out Yup no wonder Labour are called Red Tories And i think you will find Labour and the Tories are the ones fucking up the UK but people are too blind tol see it There are more parties out there than Labour and Tory England are stuck in there old ways of thinking there are only two choices wrong!!!!! | |||
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"Fabio how about answering my question to you Name a single power Labour were wanting devolved to Scotland in the Smith Commission ? " well since the vow was signed by ALL the parties on the no side of the arguement.... and it all signed into law in the 2016 scotland act... I have absolutely no idea of what point you are trying to make?  | |||
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"Fabio answer the question Can you name a single power Labour wanted to devolve to Scotland in the Smith commission ? Its is really that hard to answer Each party put forward what they were happy to devolve to Scotland i am asking you to name what powers was it Labour wanted to devolve ? For example did Labour want income tax devolved in the smith commission ? " your last question... is actually... YES!!!  bet you were not expecting that answer since you posed it to me.... 
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Scotland should have the power to raise 40% of its budget, through increasing the tax-varying powers to become available through the Scotland Act, from 10p to 15p - potentially raising an extra £2bn
Three-quarters of basic rate income tax would be under the control of the Scottish Parliament, which would also have the power to raise higher rates of tax
VAT, national insurance contributions, corporation tax, capital gains tax, fuel duty, air passenger duty and inheritance tax should remain reserved to Westminster
The Barnett formula for distributing public spending around the nations of the UK should continue | |||
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"FFS Fabio ok lets try this list the number of powers of what Labour wanted to devolve to Scotland in the Smith Commssion? Its as if your afriad to say lol Here let me help you out tell the truth eh lets go through the list and i will leave it blank and all you have to do Fabio is say YES or NO beside each power of what Labour wanted to devolved mind now tell the truth Income tax ? - Inheritance tax ? - Capital gains ?- National insurance contributions ? - Air passenger duty ? - Corporation tax ? - Value added tax ? - Wealth tax? - Business rate ? - Excise duties ? - Aggregates levy ? - Lets see if you bold of to put a yes or no next to each one that Labour wanted devolved eh " see... i am really struggling to work out the point you are to push... because you mentioned the vow and the recommendations made by the smith commission, and then the recommendations that were then enacted into law into the scotland act.... so unless you point scoring for the point of who suggested what that went in the end lets look at that list of yours and see what you ACTUALLY got..... Inheritance tax , Capital gains, National insurance contributions, Value added tax, Wealth tax, Excise duties and Aggregates levy ? NO PARTY (not even the SNP) asked for any of those.. and all of those are deal with at UK level Business rate ? - actually these are dealt with at local council level.... air passenger duty... devolved income tax.... devolved corperation tax......devolved from the ifs..... The Holyrood government has always had control over much of public spending in Scotland. From next spring, it will have control over taxes, including most of income tax, which raises 40 per cent of the revenues required to cover devolved spending. From 2019, half of the VAT raised there will also be assigned. Half of Scottish spending will then be paid for by taxes devolved or assigned to Scotland. That is a remarkable change. Scotland will have far more control than now over its tax affairs and over the size of its budget. | |||
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"Point Scoring? I believe i challenged people on this thread to name a single power Labour wanted to devolve to Scotland in Smith commission i have yet to hear anyone name a single power You cant even name one can you go prove me wrong ? There is your classic bait and switch Fabio that you love talking about Again i am not talking about what is or not devolved am asking you to name a single power Labour wanted devolved to Scotland in the Smith commission care to answer you accuse me of not answering and baiting and switching so take your own advice and tey answering my question lol" I gave you about 5! | |||
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"Point Scoring? I believe i challenged people on this thread to name a single power Labour wanted to devolve to Scotland in Smith commission i have yet to hear anyone name a single power You cant even name one can you go prove me wrong ? There is your classic bait and switch Fabio that you love talking about Again i am not talking about what is or not devolved am asking you to name a single power Labour wanted devolved to Scotland in the Smith commission care to answer you accuse me of not answering and baiting and switching so take your own advice and tey answering my question lol I gave you about 5!" No you didnt Ok i will give you chance name all 5 then ? | |||
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"Seems the media in Scotland love to quote FOI as now research lmao yeah i really did say that lol So Scottish Labour branch office tell the media that 1,000 patients died waiting to leave Scottish hospitals due to delayed discharge. Now anybody with logic in their heeds would look at at that and ask why in the fuck would you discharge someone near death ? Also side now i can tell you now on Monday 8th Jan 2018 the Scottish media will print this - more than one in ten Scottish children from familes on the financial edge the media print anythin Scottish Labour branch say as gospel without checking in the back pocket as tgey say Now moving on the the new poll in Scotland Question which do you think would be the best outcome in a UK election for Scotland ? A Labour minority government dependent on votes from the SNP mps 19% of Labour voters in Scotland said they would agree with that and interesting that is almost half of Labour voters in Scotland saying that lol But more interesting 7% of Tory voters in Scotland in last years UK election said they thought some form of a Labour government would be the best possible outcome for an election in Scotland while at the same time 7% of Labour voters in Scotland said Scotland would be better off under a Tory government but still voted Labour anyway Make of that what you will but stinks of tactical voting by unionists just to harm Scotland and get SNP out no matter how much damage it will do they dont care " As this thread started on tactical voting care to explain my stat that almost the same percentage of people who voted snp would expect a Tory government to do a better job(5%) as did the 7% of labour voters you quote. Do people vote for snp as a tactical vote to get labour out ? | |||
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"Seems the media in Scotland love to quote FOI as now research lmao yeah i really did say that lol So Scottish Labour branch office tell the media that 1,000 patients died waiting to leave Scottish hospitals due to delayed discharge. Now anybody with logic in their heeds would look at at that and ask why in the fuck would you discharge someone near death ? Also side now i can tell you now on Monday 8th Jan 2018 the Scottish media will print this - more than one in ten Scottish children from familes on the financial edge the media print anythin Scottish Labour branch say as gospel without checking in the back pocket as tgey say Now moving on the the new poll in Scotland Question which do you think would be the best outcome in a UK election for Scotland ? A Labour minority government dependent on votes from the SNP mps 19% of Labour voters in Scotland said they would agree with that and interesting that is almost half of Labour voters in Scotland saying that lol But more interesting 7% of Tory voters in Scotland in last years UK election said they thought some form of a Labour government would be the best possible outcome for an election in Scotland while at the same time 7% of Labour voters in Scotland said Scotland would be better off under a Tory government but still voted Labour anyway Make of that what you will but stinks of tactical voting by unionists just to harm Scotland and get SNP out no matter how much damage it will do they dont care As this thread started on tactical voting care to explain my stat that almost the same percentage of people who voted snp would expect a Tory government to do a better job(5%) as did the 7% of labour voters you quote. Do people vote for snp as a tactical vote to get labour out ? " Kinky thinks 19% is nearly half according to the opening post  | |||
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"Point Scoring? I believe i challenged people on this thread to name a single power Labour wanted to devolve to Scotland in Smith commission i have yet to hear anyone name a single power You cant even name one can you go prove me wrong ? There is your classic bait and switch Fabio that you love talking about Again i am not talking about what is or not devolved am asking you to name a single power Labour wanted devolved to Scotland in the Smith commission care to answer you accuse me of not answering and baiting and switching so take your own advice and tey answering my question lol I gave you about 5! No you didnt Ok i will give you chance name all 5 then ?" Didn't I? | |||
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"Seems the media in Scotland love to quote FOI as now research lmao yeah i really did say that lol So Scottish Labour branch office tell the media that 1,000 patients died waiting to leave Scottish hospitals due to delayed discharge. Now anybody with logic in their heeds would look at at that and ask why in the fuck would you discharge someone near death ? Also side now i can tell you now on Monday 8th Jan 2018 the Scottish media will print this - more than one in ten Scottish children from familes on the financial edge the media print anythin Scottish Labour branch say as gospel without checking in the back pocket as tgey say Now moving on the the new poll in Scotland Question which do you think would be the best outcome in a UK election for Scotland ? A Labour minority government dependent on votes from the SNP mps 19% of Labour voters in Scotland said they would agree with that and interesting that is almost half of Labour voters in Scotland saying that lol But more interesting 7% of Tory voters in Scotland in last years UK election said they thought some form of a Labour government would be the best possible outcome for an election in Scotland while at the same time 7% of Labour voters in Scotland said Scotland would be better off under a Tory government but still voted Labour anyway Make of that what you will but stinks of tactical voting by unionists just to harm Scotland and get SNP out no matter how much damage it will do they dont care As this thread started on tactical voting care to explain my stat that almost the same percentage of people who voted snp would expect a Tory government to do a better job(5%) as did the 7% of labour voters you quote. Do people vote for snp as a tactical vote to get labour out ? Kinky thinks 19% is nearly half according to the opening post "Lol wow 19% of Labour votes in Scotland Stop baiting and switching And tell me that 5 powers you think Labour wanted to devolve to Scotland in the Smith comission ? | |||
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"Seems the media in Scotland love to quote FOI as now research lmao yeah i really did say that lol So Scottish Labour branch office tell the media that 1,000 patients died waiting to leave Scottish hospitals due to delayed discharge. Now anybody with logic in their heeds would look at at that and ask why in the fuck would you discharge someone near death ? Also side now i can tell you now on Monday 8th Jan 2018 the Scottish media will print this - more than one in ten Scottish children from familes on the financial edge the media print anythin Scottish Labour branch say as gospel without checking in the back pocket as tgey say Now moving on the the new poll in Scotland Question which do you think would be the best outcome in a UK election for Scotland ? A Labour minority government dependent on votes from the SNP mps 19% of Labour voters in Scotland said they would agree with that and interesting that is almost half of Labour voters in Scotland saying that lol But more interesting 7% of Tory voters in Scotland in last years UK election said they thought some form of a Labour government would be the best possible outcome for an election in Scotland while at the same time 7% of Labour voters in Scotland said Scotland would be better off under a Tory government but still voted Labour anyway Make of that what you will but stinks of tactical voting by unionists just to harm Scotland and get SNP out no matter how much damage it will do they dont care As this thread started on tactical voting care to explain my stat that almost the same percentage of people who voted snp would expect a Tory government to do a better job(5%) as did the 7% of labour voters you quote. Do people vote for snp as a tactical vote to get labour out ? Kinky thinks 19% is nearly half according to the opening post
Lol wow
19% of Labour votes in Scotland
Stop baiting and switching
And tell me that 5 powers you think Labour wanted to devolve to Scotland in the Smith comission ?"You said "19% of Labour voters in Scotland said they would agree with that and interesting that is almost half of Labour voters in Scotland saying that lol" How in the fuck is 19% of Labour voters in Scotland nearly 50% of Labour voters in Scotland? | |||
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"Seems the media in Scotland love to quote FOI as now research lmao yeah i really did say that lol So Scottish Labour branch office tell the media that 1,000 patients died waiting to leave Scottish hospitals due to delayed discharge. Now anybody with logic in their heeds would look at at that and ask why in the fuck would you discharge someone near death ? Also side now i can tell you now on Monday 8th Jan 2018 the Scottish media will print this - more than one in ten Scottish children from familes on the financial edge the media print anythin Scottish Labour branch say as gospel without checking in the back pocket as tgey say Now moving on the the new poll in Scotland Question which do you think would be the best outcome in a UK election for Scotland ? A Labour minority government dependent on votes from the SNP mps 19% of Labour voters in Scotland said they would agree with that and interesting that is almost half of Labour voters in Scotland saying that lol But more interesting 7% of Tory voters in Scotland in last years UK election said they thought some form of a Labour government would be the best possible outcome for an election in Scotland while at the same time 7% of Labour voters in Scotland said Scotland would be better off under a Tory government but still voted Labour anyway Make of that what you will but stinks of tactical voting by unionists just to harm Scotland and get SNP out no matter how much damage it will do they dont care As this thread started on tactical voting care to explain my stat that almost the same percentage of people who voted snp would expect a Tory government to do a better job(5%) as did the 7% of labour voters you quote. Do people vote for snp as a tactical vote to get labour out ? Kinky thinks 19% is nearly half according to the opening post
Lol wow
19% of Labour votes in Scotland
Stop baiting and switching
And tell me that 5 powers you think Labour wanted to devolve to Scotland in the Smith comission ?"going back to the original post and original premise is switching ? (Awaits “my thread” reply) | |||
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"Seems the media in Scotland love to quote FOI as now research lmao yeah i really did say that lol So Scottish Labour branch office tell the media that 1,000 patients died waiting to leave Scottish hospitals due to delayed discharge. Now anybody with logic in their heeds would look at at that and ask why in the fuck would you discharge someone near death ? Also side now i can tell you now on Monday 8th Jan 2018 the Scottish media will print this - more than one in ten Scottish children from familes on the financial edge the media print anythin Scottish Labour branch say as gospel without checking in the back pocket as tgey say Now moving on the the new poll in Scotland Question which do you think would be the best outcome in a UK election for Scotland ? A Labour minority government dependent on votes from the SNP mps 19% of Labour voters in Scotland said they would agree with that and interesting that is almost half of Labour voters in Scotland saying that lol But more interesting 7% of Tory voters in Scotland in last years UK election said they thought some form of a Labour government would be the best possible outcome for an election in Scotland while at the same time 7% of Labour voters in Scotland said Scotland would be better off under a Tory government but still voted Labour anyway Make of that what you will but stinks of tactical voting by unionists just to harm Scotland and get SNP out no matter how much damage it will do they dont care As this thread started on tactical voting care to explain my stat that almost the same percentage of people who voted snp would expect a Tory government to do a better job(5%) as did the 7% of labour voters you quote. Do people vote for snp as a tactical vote to get labour out ? Kinky thinks 19% is nearly half according to the opening post
Lol wow
19% of Labour votes in Scotland
Stop baiting and switching
And tell me that 5 powers you think Labour wanted to devolve to Scotland in the Smith comission ?going back to the original post and original premise is switching ?
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"Nah stop the bait and switch you made a claim CLCC that you naned 5 powers Labour wanted to devolve to Scotland in the Smith commission name them please ? " Read the posts above! I gave you the dates of the votes and everything. | |||
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"Nah stop the bait and switch you made a claim CLCC that you naned 5 powers Labour wanted to devolve to Scotland in the Smith commission name them please ? Read the posts above! I gave you the dates of the votes and everything. " Bullshit you did lol Out of these powers CLCC what did Labour want to devolve to Scotland in the Smith commission ? Income tax ? - Inheritance tax ? - Capital gains ?- National insurance contributions ? - Air passenger duty ? - Corporation tax ? - Value added tax ? - Wealth tax? - Business rate ? - Excise duties ? - Aggregates levy ? - | |||
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"Again i wont move on till this is answered so... Out of all these powers which did Labour want to devolve to Scotland in the Smith commission stop fannying about and answer please Income tax ? - Inheritance tax ? - Capital gains ?- National insurance contributions ? - Air passenger duty ? - Corporation tax ? - Value added tax ? - Wealth tax? - Business rate ? - Excise duties ? - Aggregates levy ? -" Can you not even read the posts in your own thread?  | |||
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"Again i wont move on till this is answered so... Out of all these powers which did Labour want to devolve to Scotland in the Smith commission stop fannying about and answer please Income tax ? - Inheritance tax ? - Capital gains ?- National insurance contributions ? - Air passenger duty ? - Corporation tax ? - Value added tax ? - Wealth tax? - Business rate ? - Excise duties ? - Aggregates levy ? - Can you not even read the posts in your own thread? "Can you ? Yet to see you name any of the powers i have mentioned So care you answer which power you think Labour wanted to devolve in the Smith commission Here is the list again Income tax ? - Inheritance tax ? - Capital gains ?- National insurance contributions ? - Air passenger duty ? - Corporation tax ? - Value added tax ? - Wealth tax? - Business rate ? - Excise duties ? - Aggregates levy ? - | |||
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"As I said above. What does it matter or show ? I’m really lost on what your point is. I’m also struggling to find out SNPs submission to the smith enquiry as the only thing I can seem to find is “all taxes unless they are shown to be for reserved purposes” which is a) opaque and b) unworkable. " The point is Labour claim to be the party of devolution So if that is true please name a power they want to devolve to Scotland in the Smith commission ? You wanna move then simple someone answer it then | |||
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"Nah stop the bait and switch you made a claim CLCC that you naned 5 powers Labour wanted to devolve to Scotland in the Smith commission name them please ? Read the posts above! I gave you the dates of the votes and everything. Bullshit you did lol Out of these powers CLCC what did Labour want to devolve to Scotland in the Smith commission ? Income tax ? - Inheritance tax ? - Capital gains ?- National insurance contributions ? - Air passenger duty ? - Corporation tax ? - Value added tax ? - Wealth tax? - Business rate ? - Excise duties ? - Aggregates levy ? - " again... let see if this goes into the brain on kinky this time... Inheritance tax , Capital gains, National insurance contributions, Value added tax, Wealth tax, Excise duties and Aggregates levy ? NO PARTY (not even the SNP) asked for any of those.. and all of those are deal with at UK level | |||
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"Nah stop the bait and switch you made a claim CLCC that you naned 5 powers Labour wanted to devolve to Scotland in the Smith commission name them please ? Read the posts above! I gave you the dates of the votes and everything. Bullshit you did lol Out of these powers CLCC what did Labour want to devolve to Scotland in the Smith commission ? Income tax ? - Inheritance tax ? - Capital gains ?- National insurance contributions ? - Air passenger duty ? - Corporation tax ? - Value added tax ? - Wealth tax? - Business rate ? - Excise duties ? - Aggregates levy ? - again... let see if this goes into the brain on kinky this time... Inheritance tax , Capital gains, National insurance contributions, Value added tax, Wealth tax, Excise duties and Aggregates levy ? NO PARTY (not even the SNP) asked for any of those.. and all of those are deal with at UK level" Lies the SNP asked for all those to be devolved in the Smith commission Thats a new low having to lie like that Fabio Now care to answer what did Labour want devolved in the Smith commisson ? | |||
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"As I said above. What does it matter or show ? I’m really lost on what your point is. I’m also struggling to find out SNPs submission to the smith enquiry as the only thing I can seem to find is “all taxes unless they are shown to be for reserved purposes” which is a) opaque and b) unworkable. The point is Labour claim to be the party of devolution So if that is true please name a power they want to devolve to Scotland in the Smith commission ? You wanna move then simple someone answer it then " i haven’t seen this claim in this thread I also think, based on what I have read in the last hour or so, SNPs proposals were headline grabbers without an implematational framework to support it. It assumes a given tax is earmarked for a single piece of spend. Now while the new sources may have simplified this, I can’t find their submission. Indeed while targeting google for the snp submission I found the greens first ! | |||
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"Nah stop the bait and switch you made a claim CLCC that you naned 5 powers Labour wanted to devolve to Scotland in the Smith commission name them please ? Read the posts above! I gave you the dates of the votes and everything. Bullshit you did lol Out of these powers CLCC what did Labour want to devolve to Scotland in the Smith commission ? Income tax ? - Inheritance tax ? - Capital gains ?- National insurance contributions ? - Air passenger duty ? - Corporation tax ? - Value added tax ? - Wealth tax? - Business rate ? - Excise duties ? - Aggregates levy ? - again... let see if this goes into the brain on kinky this time... Inheritance tax , Capital gains, National insurance contributions, Value added tax, Wealth tax, Excise duties and Aggregates levy ? NO PARTY (not even the SNP) asked for any of those.. and all of those are deal with at UK level Lies the SNP asked for all those to be devolved in the Smith commission Thats a new low having to lie like that Fabio Now care to answer what did Labour want devolved in the Smith commisson ? " Link (or google search terms needed) to get to the submission. And saying everything unless we can’t really isn’t saying much. So in fact they never specifically recommended these are to be devolved. It’s like asking for all of toys r us for Christmas. Unless it’s too expensive. | |||
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"30th June 2015, Labour voted for giving Scotland the power to create new benefits. Voted to devolved Housing Benefit to Scotland 15 June Voted to require consent of the scottish parliament before it could be dissolved. Voted for SP to have power over HRA 4 December voted for SP to have power to ammend EU legislation. Etc. Etc. Etc.!" Plus voted for Scottish Parliament to have powers regarding rent and benefits Voted to allow powers to be devolved regarding gender balance | |||
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"5% of SNP voters believe a Tory government would be best (even if it was propped up by the Scottish cons) and better than SNP having a say via a labour minority. Stats are fun. What this all suggests to me is c 5 to 10 % of voters swing (and not in a fab sense). " The best stats are the OPs assertion that 19% of Scottish labour voters are “nearly half” of Scottish labour voters..... last time I checked 19% was just under 1/5th ..... nearly half? But par for the course I think? | |||
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"No one with baws care to tell me what powers Labour wanted to devolve in the Smith commission ? Lol Fabio has already quoted it verbatim if anyone cares to look above!.... all now fulfilled!" What Fabio quoted was almost him admitting Labour didnt want a damn thing devolved to Scotland you all know it and afraid to say it So much for Labour being the party of devolution eh | |||
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"No one with baws care to tell me what powers Labour wanted to devolve in the Smith commission ? Lol Fabio has already quoted it verbatim if anyone cares to look above!.... all now fulfilled! What Fabio quoted was almost him admitting Labour didnt want a damn thing devolved to Scotland you all know it and afraid to say it So much for Labour being the party of devolution eh " Are we allowed to move on ? What specific reasons would the SNP have accepted as being a reason not for devolving a tax ? | |||
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"No one with baws care to tell me what powers Labour wanted to devolve in the Smith commission ? Lol Fabio has already quoted it verbatim if anyone cares to look above!.... all now fulfilled! What Fabio quoted was almost him admitting Labour didnt want a damn thing devolved to Scotland you all know it and afraid to say it So much for Labour being the party of devolution eh Are we allowed to move on ? What specific reasons would the SNP have accepted as being a reason not for devolving a tax ? " Not till someone actually admits it I wanna see someone actually put Labour didnt want to devolve any powers to Scotland in the Smith commission therefore when Labour claim they are the party of devolution they are telling lies | |||
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"No one with baws care to tell me what powers Labour wanted to devolve in the Smith commission ? Lol Fabio has already quoted it verbatim if anyone cares to look above!.... all now fulfilled! What Fabio quoted was almost him admitting Labour didnt want a damn thing devolved to Scotland you all know it and afraid to say it So much for Labour being the party of devolution eh Are we allowed to move on ? What specific reasons would the SNP have accepted as being a reason not for devolving a tax ? Not till someone actually admits it I wanna see someone actually put Labour didnt want to devolve any powers to Scotland in the Smith commission therefore when Labour claim they are the party of devolution they are telling lies " Apart from the ones I have listed that they voted for! | |||
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"No one with baws care to tell me what powers Labour wanted to devolve in the Smith commission ? Lol Fabio has already quoted it verbatim if anyone cares to look above!.... all now fulfilled! What Fabio quoted was almost him admitting Labour didnt want a damn thing devolved to Scotland you all know it and afraid to say it So much for Labour being the party of devolution eh Are we allowed to move on ? What specific reasons would the SNP have accepted as being a reason not for devolving a tax ? Not till someone actually admits it I wanna see someone actually put Labour didnt want to devolve any powers to Scotland in the Smith commission therefore when Labour claim they are the party of devolution they are telling lies Apart from the ones I have listed that they voted for! "No you didnt Again out of these powers listed name one Labour wanted devolved ? Income tax ? - Inheritance tax ? - Capital gains ?- National insurance contributions ? - Air passenger duty ? - Corporation tax ? - Value added tax ? - Wealth tax? - Business rate ? - Excise duties ? - Aggregates levy ? - | |||
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"No one with baws care to tell me what powers Labour wanted to devolve in the Smith commission ? Lol Fabio has already quoted it verbatim if anyone cares to look above!.... all now fulfilled! What Fabio quoted was almost him admitting Labour didnt want a damn thing devolved to Scotland you all know it and afraid to say it So much for Labour being the party of devolution eh Are we allowed to move on ? What specific reasons would the SNP have accepted as being a reason not for devolving a tax ? Not till someone actually admits it I wanna see someone actually put Labour didnt want to devolve any powers to Scotland in the Smith commission therefore when Labour claim they are the party of devolution they are telling lies Apart from the ones I have listed that they voted for!
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"No one with baws care to tell me what powers Labour wanted to devolve in the Smith commission ? Lol Fabio has already quoted it verbatim if anyone cares to look above!.... all now fulfilled! What Fabio quoted was almost him admitting Labour didnt want a damn thing devolved to Scotland you all know it and afraid to say it So much for Labour being the party of devolution eh Are we allowed to move on ? What specific reasons would the SNP have accepted as being a reason not for devolving a tax ? Not till someone actually admits it I wanna see someone actually put Labour didnt want to devolve any powers to Scotland in the Smith commission therefore when Labour claim they are the party of devolution they are telling lies Apart from the ones I have listed that they voted for!
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"Still waiting Out of these again THESE powers listed Name what Labour wanted devolved in the Smith Commission ? Income tax ? - Inheritance tax ? - Capital gains ?- National insurance contributions ? - Air passenger duty ? - Corporation tax ? - Value added tax ? - Wealth tax? - Business rate ? - Excise duties ? - Aggregates levy ? - Its ok to tell the truth and say the answer is none just waiting to see who is gonna be the first to actually said it Its like your all afraid to admit it out of shame that Labour screwd Scotland over " Are they the only recommendations of the commission? | |||
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"I will even help you out then copy me by telling me what Labour wanted devolved ok So out of the powers listed the SNP wanted these devolved to Scotland in the Smith commission Income tax ? - YES Inheritance tax ? - YES Capital gains ?- YES National insurance contributions ? - YES Air passenger duty ? - YES Corporation tax ? - YES Value added tax ? - PARTIAL CAVEATS Wealth tax? - YES Business rate ? - YES Excise duties ? - PARTIAL CAVEATS Aggregates levy ? -YES How bloody hard is that to do now do the same and now tell me what Labour wanted devolved " source ? | |||
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"I will even help you out then copy me by telling me what Labour wanted devolved ok So out of the powers listed the SNP wanted these devolved to Scotland in the Smith commission Income tax ? - YES Inheritance tax ? - YES Capital gains ?- YES National insurance contributions ? - YES Air passenger duty ? - YES Corporation tax ? - YES Value added tax ? - PARTIAL CAVEATS Wealth tax? - YES Business rate ? - YES Excise duties ? - PARTIAL CAVEATS Aggregates levy ? -YES How bloody hard is that to do now do the same and now tell me what Labour wanted devolved source ?" Source ? Check the smith commission and what each party wanted devolved Am not here to do your homework educate yourself and learn these things yourself i didnt it Thats why i think so many on here seem shit scared to admit Labour didnt want anything devolved in the Smith commission because if i was wrong then you would be quick off the mark to say Labour wanted this and that devolved its a telling sign when its checkmate | |||
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"So how is 19% nearly 50%? "Excuse you really asking me a question stop with the bait and switch CLCC We are not moving on till you can name a power from the list i gave you that Labour wanted to devolve if your getting bored then answer it and we shall move on So here is the list again Income tax ? - Inheritance tax ? - Capital gains ?- National insurance contributions ? - Air passenger duty ? - Corporation tax ? - Value added tax ? - Wealth tax? - Business rate ? - Excise duties ? - Aggregates levy ? - | |||
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"I will even help you out then copy me by telling me what Labour wanted devolved ok So out of the powers listed the SNP wanted these devolved to Scotland in the Smith commission Income tax ? - YES Inheritance tax ? - YES Capital gains ?- YES National insurance contributions ? - YES Air passenger duty ? - YES Corporation tax ? - YES Value added tax ? - PARTIAL CAVEATS Wealth tax? - YES Business rate ? - YES Excise duties ? - PARTIAL CAVEATS Aggregates levy ? -YES How bloody hard is that to do now do the same and now tell me what Labour wanted devolved source ? Source ? Check the smith commission and what each party wanted devolved Am not here to do your homework educate yourself and learn these things yourself i didnt it Thats why i think so many on here seem shit scared to admit Labour didnt want anything devolved in the Smith commission because if i was wrong then you would be quick off the mark to say Labour wanted this and that devolved its a telling sign when its checkmate " Well, apart from the things I have listed multiple times, right? | |||
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"Maybe it’s my phone but the commission has been archieved and I can only see the first page. I have tried. I also expecting to see a copy on the snp website. But no luck. The same way I went to look at the wings blog for the poll to ask you my original question on the original topic. You see I try and do my homework and get the facts from the original source. I never take a forumers word as fact. Some are a bit biased you know ... Bed time. I will see if the report downloads at work. " Ok well goodnight and have a great day tomorrow and watch out for the ice its slippy tonight | |||
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"All agreed...all devolved as far as possible (since VAT is partly an EU thing etc) OP has had question fully answered. Now back to the very first post made by the OP. How is 19% nearly half?" No no lets not I challenged people name a single power Labour wanted devolved in the Smith commission fo far no one is bold enough to say what powers Labour wanted devolved I aint letting this go i can see what your all doing feart to say Labour didnt offer a damn thing of these powers to be devolved once one of you admit that then we shall move on ok lol So here is the list of powers Income tax ? - Inheritance tax ? - Capital gains ?- National insurance contributions ? - Air passenger duty ? - Corporation tax ? - Value added tax ? - Wealth tax? - Business rate ? - Excise duties ? - Aggregates levy ? - | |||
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"Kinky's threads are always a bag of laughs! Always at kinky's expense! "Yeah its a good laugh watching you lot accuse me of not answering questions and bait and switch when you do that very thing you accuse me of So any forward yet ? Which of these powers did Labour want devolved in the Smith Commission ? I named what SNP wanted devolved why wont you do the same ? Income tax ? Inheritance tax ? Capital gains ? National insurance contributions ? Air passenger duty ? Corporation tax ? Value added tax ? Wealth tax? Business rate ? Excise duties ? Aggregates levy ? Its very simple name which one of these powers Labour wanted devolved in the smith commission then we shall move on failure to do so then i wont move on Its time you started telling the truth but then againsts unionists are not ashamed to lie of covers up facts | |||
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"Kinky's threads are always a bag of laughs! Always at kinky's expense!
Yeah its a good laugh watching you lot accuse me of not answering questions and bait and switch when you do that very thing you accuse me of
So any forward yet ?
Which of these powers did Labour want devolved in the Smith Commission ? I named what SNP wanted devolved why wont you do the same ?
Income tax ?
Inheritance tax ?
Capital gains ?
National insurance contributions ?
Air passenger duty ?
Corporation tax ?
Value added tax ?
Wealth tax?
Business rate ?
Excise duties ?
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Its very simple name which one of these powers Labour wanted devolved in the smith commission then we shall move on failure to do so then i wont move on
Its time you started telling the truth but then againsts unionists are not ashamed to lie of covers up facts "We have already told you want they voted for over and over again. You are just a broken record, like that time you made 3 threads of 175 posts refusing to admit that 13 RN ships are being built on the Clyde. Your posts don't even make sense. "which one of these powers Labour wanted devolved in the smith commission" no parties devolved any powers in the Smith commission. They didn't devolve powers IN the commission, or TO the commission or anything even vaguely similar. You are just writing nonsense. Just like your opening post nonsense about freedom of information act, and 19% being nearly 50%. IT MAKES NO SENSE. | |||
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"Come back to me when you feel like answering Infact i will answer it again here is what the SNP wanted devolved in the Smith commission Income tax ? - YES Inheritance tax ? - YES Capital gains ?- YES National insurance contributions ? - YES Air passenger duty ? - YES Corporation tax ? - YES Value added tax ? - PARTIAL CAVEATS Wealth tax? - YES Business rate ? -YES Excise duties ? - PARTIAL CAVEATS Aggregates levy ? YES Now follow my lead and do the same and tell me what did Labour want devolved is it really that hard ? Lol " You still don't get it do you? No, the SNP didn't want anything "devolved in the Smith commission" nor did any other party. Nothing was "devolved in the Smith commission" you don't even know what you are talking about. | |||
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"Come back to me when you feel like answering Infact i will answer it again here is what the SNP wanted devolved in the Smith commission Income tax ? - YES Inheritance tax ? - YES Capital gains ?- YES National insurance contributions ? - YES Air passenger duty ? - YES Corporation tax ? - YES Value added tax ? - PARTIAL CAVEATS Wealth tax? - YES Business rate ? -YES Excise duties ? - PARTIAL CAVEATS Aggregates levy ? YES Now follow my lead and do the same and tell me what did Labour want devolved is it really that hard ? Lol You still don't get it do you? No, the SNP didn't want anything "devolved in the Smith commission" nor did any other party. Nothing was "devolved in the Smith commission" you don't even know what you are talking about. " Wow you really are piss poor at this lol So you now trying to claim that SNP , Greens , Labour , Tory and Lib Dem never said what they wanted devolved in the Smith Comission ? Ok dont say you were not warned oh look whats this link ? Wait a minute could it be surely not lol yes it is its a link to the BBC you know that piece of shite broadcaster that unionists swears down dead tells the gospel tryth and nothibg but the truth Here is the link that the BBC are telling you what 5 of them think should be devolved in the smith commission Go on CLCC now try and deny that eh rhis is what hapoens when you dont tell the truth you get caught out lying and misleading people hehehehe http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29570658 | |||
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"Come back to me when you feel like answering Infact i will answer it again here is what the SNP wanted devolved in the Smith commission Income tax ? - YES Inheritance tax ? - YES Capital gains ?- YES National insurance contributions ? - YES Air passenger duty ? - YES Corporation tax ? - YES Value added tax ? - PARTIAL CAVEATS Wealth tax? - YES Business rate ? -YES Excise duties ? - PARTIAL CAVEATS Aggregates levy ? YES Now follow my lead and do the same and tell me what did Labour want devolved is it really that hard ? Lol You still don't get it do you? No, the SNP didn't want anything "devolved in the Smith commission" nor did any other party. Nothing was "devolved in the Smith commission" you don't even know what you are talking about. Wow you really are piss poor at this lol So you now trying to claim that SNP , Greens , Labour , Tory and Lib Dem never said what they wanted devolved in the Smith Comission ? Ok dont say you were not warned oh look whats this link ? Wait a minute could it be surely not lol yes it is its a link to the BBC you know that piece of shite broadcaster that unionists swears down dead tells the gospel tryth and nothibg but the truth Here is the link that the BBC are telling you what 5 of them think should be devolved in the smith commission Go on CLCC now try and deny that eh rhis is what hapoens when you dont tell the truth you get caught out lying and misleading people hehehehe http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29570658" Try reading it, nothing devolved IN the Smith commission. That's why your question makes no sense. Are you trying to say that the SNP wanted inheritance tax devolved IN to the Smith commission and then the Smith commission would have power over inheritance tax?????? That's what you have written, is that truely what you mean? | |||
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"You try reading it Hint for you the Scottish government is the SNP lol So when it says in that BBC report the Scottish government wanted income tax , national insurance , corporation tax , capital gains , fuel duty , APD, inheritance tax all devolved Now which did Labour want devolved out of all of them ? You were caught out lying lol there is the prove that all 5 said what what they thibk should be devolved unless your about to call the BBC liars ? Lol " You said that want it devolved in the commission. So that either means you think the commission has/had the power to devolve it (which it doesn't), or that you want the power devolved IN to it, so the commission has that power (impossible) so which ever way you cut it, you're wrong, and your question makes NO SENSE! I think what you are trying to say, is what did the parties want the Smith commission to recommend be devolved to the Scottish Parliament. Right? | |||
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"Yet you accuse others of bait and switch?
It's no wonder no one else wants to comment on your threads kinky. I bet they used to write on your school reports "doesn't play well with others"
I'm out. See ya."My thread i can put what i like you dont like make your own up lol I just like keeping people updated to what your not getting told from the media I bet you had no clue about Scotland in the union before i mentioned them ? Is it not important to know if a group is trying to screw people over ? | |||
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"Labour is a Unionist party. The choice for a Labour supporter, if the thinks the Labour candidate can not win, is whether a Tory government or independence is worse for Scotland. A similar decision also exists for a Conservative supporters if they think the Conservative candidate can not win. Ditto for LibDems. The really interesting question is who would an SNP supporter vote for if they knew the SNP candidate could not win? Or would they/you vote SNP regardless, knowing that do that would lead to a government that you believe would actually be harmful to Scotland? Not a shocker that Labour are Red Tories The band is still together from 2014 Imagine that eh Labour viters wilking to screw Scotland over and vote Tory Like they didnt know if a independence referendum took place they can still vote no to it But Labour voters actually ok to see a Tory government says it all But if all SNP voters voted Labour (and I personally hope they don't) there would be a much better chance of not having a Tory Government next time. I really think this whole thread is very much a case of the pot calling the kettle black. I also notice that you didn't answer my direct question to you about how you would vote. So whats your excuse for a Tory government in 2015 ? Swap all 56 SNP mps with Scottish Labour branch mps and you would still ended up with a Tory government How would i vote ? Always SNP they hqve the best interests of Scotland at heart Tell me who do you think has Scotlands best interests at heart ? I wouldn't vote positively for any party that only had the best interests of Scotland, or any other single part of the UK, at heart. I'm a committed Unionist. I would however consider voting for any party, even if I didn't agree with everything it stood for, if I thought it would help stop something that I believed would be detrimental to the UK. As I believe that the two things most likely to damage the UK, in order of danger, are break up of the UK and BREXIT my vote would go firstly to any Unionist candidate most likely to defeat an SNP candidate but with regard to which of those Unionist candidates is most likely to either reverse BREXIT or support a sensible BREXIT (if such a thing actually exists). So, in order of preference, if I lived in Scotland, I would vote LibDem, Labour or Conservative. As I don't actually live in Scotland my decision is much simpler and based soley on BREXIT and would be LibDem. So rather than work with the SNP to get the Tories out of government you would happy see Labour join up and tactical vote for each other to make sure SNP didnt win ? What was it Milliband said he would rather nit form a government than work with the SNP and others to lock the Tories out Yup no wonder Labour are called Red Tories And i think you will find Labour and the Tories are the ones fucking up the UK but people are too blind tol see it There are more parties out there than Labour and Tory England are stuck in there old ways of thinking there are only two choices wrong!!!!!" I would never have voted SNP to keep the Tories out, in fact, prior to 2015, I would only of voted SNP to keep Labour out. However things change and currently I see SNP's moves to destroy the UK and the Tory's move to UKIP light as the biggest dangers to this country, with the SNP being the bigger danger. Not everyone in the UK or Scotland, even with BREXIT, thinks that the most important thing is to stop the Tories, quite a few, in England, will vote tactically to stop Labour and, in Scotland, to stop either Labour or the SNP. | |||
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"Whatever happened to voting for the MP that you thought was likely to do the best job? Incidentally, I don't think any politician goes into Politics with the sole purpose of fucking over a region, country or whatever. Surely they want to make a difference and represent the electorate in their constituency? " I agree. I don't think many, if any, politician goes into politics because they want to fuck over any region, the country or anything else. I assume, unless strong evidence to the contra can be shown, that politicians from all parties are acting in what they believe to be the best interests of their constituents and the country. However, whilst believing that most, possibly even all, act in what they believe to be the best interests of their constituents and the country, I don't always agree with them on what those best interests are. That is why, whilst I will argue against those politicians, their parties and their policies, you'll seldom see me actually questioning the integrity of any. | |||
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"Kinky's threads are always a bag of laughs! Always at kinky's expense!
Yeah its a good laugh watching you lot accuse me of not answering questions and bait and switch when you do that very thing you accuse me of
So any forward yet ?
Which of these powers did Labour want devolved in the Smith Commission ? I named what SNP wanted devolved why wont you do the same ?
Income tax ?
Inheritance tax ?
Capital gains ?
National insurance contributions ?
Air passenger duty ?
Corporation tax ?
Value added tax ?
Wealth tax?
Business rate ?
Excise duties ?
Aggregates levy ?
Its very simple name which one of these powers Labour wanted devolved in the smith commission then we shall move on failure to do so then i wont move on
Its time you started telling the truth but then againsts unionists are not ashamed to lie of covers up facts "Thanks for the link to the BBC story. It's made answering your question a lot more easy and saved me having to wade through the whole of the Labour Party's submission to the Smith Commission. In answer to your question:- Income tax ? YES, with caveats Inheritance tax ? No Capital gains ? No National insurance contributions ? No Air passenger duty ? No Corporation tax ? No Value added tax ? No Wealth tax? N/A, no such tax currently exists Business rate ? N/A, the rate of this tax is already devolved to local councils Excise duties ? N/A, the article does not mention this tax Aggregates levy ? N/A, the article does not mention this tax I've based my answers on the BBC article you posted. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29570658 | |||
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"Ah right so i suppose the Tories are cutting welfare for the best interests for the while of the UK eh ? Is that not screwing over people not fit work We all know the Tories put party first " If you want to believe that Tory policy on welfare reform is there because they have some demonic desire to screw people over and make their lives worse that's your choice; I'm sure a lot of other people on this site will agree with you. Whilst not always agreeing with the specific policies, I personally believe that their motivation is for the reasons they say, which is to encourage people off benefits and into work. I also find it's far better to argue with people on the specific policies and the outcomes of those policies rather trying to tell them what their motivations actually are as I'm sure they know better than I what actually motivates them. | |||
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"Ah right so i suppose the Tories are cutting welfare for the best interests for the while of the UK eh ? Is that not screwing over people not fit work We all know the Tories put party first If you want to believe that Tory policy on welfare reform is there because they have some demonic desire to screw people over and make their lives worse that's your choice; I'm sure a lot of other people on this site will agree with you. Whilst not always agreeing with the specific policies, I personally believe that their motivation is for the reasons they say, which is to encourage people off benefits and into work. I also find it's far better to argue with people on the specific policies and the outcomes of those policies rather trying to tell them what their motivations actually are as I'm sure they know better than I what actually motivates them. " Out of interest the Tory welfare cuts in your opinion how is that helping people that are not fit to work and on ESA or PIP losing there money and getting told no your fit to work ? There have been plenty of cases where people have cancer that are dying being told their fit to work so how the Tory welfare cuts helping them ? Plus i dont believe your that blind not to see when they get someone off benefits they dont give a damn if your not fit to work its all about making their record for getting people into work look good thats it | |||
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"So the Labour party the oarty of devolution is aload of shite And the Labour party the party of Home Rule aload of shite Remember Keir Hardie ? What he wanted for Scotland 100+ years and Scotland still waiting On Home Rule Anyone still wondering why Labour are not to be trusted in Scotland " I'm not going to spend any more time than this post defending The Labour Party. It may have escaped your notice but I'm not a natural Labour Party supporter. The fact that the Labour Party is not willing to devolve to Scotland all the powers that you want does not mean its not in favour of devolution or even more devolution. Labour says it's the party of devolution, not independence. If all those powers that you listed were devolved to the Scotland then Scotland would be, in all but name, independent not devolved. I understand that (as a strong SNP supporter) that independence is what you want but it's not the policy of the Labour Party and so why should they agree to giving powers that, in all but name, would actually deliver that result? I answered your question because you said if your question was answered you'd move on and answer the questions other people on here have asked you to answer. Don't you think you should stick to your word now do that? | |||
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"Ah right so i suppose the Tories are cutting welfare for the best interests for the while of the UK eh ? Is that not screwing over people not fit work We all know the Tories put party first If you want to believe that Tory policy on welfare reform is there because they have some demonic desire to screw people over and make their lives worse that's your choice; I'm sure a lot of other people on this site will agree with you. Whilst not always agreeing with the specific policies, I personally believe that their motivation is for the reasons they say, which is to encourage people off benefits and into work. I also find it's far better to argue with people on the specific policies and the outcomes of those policies rather trying to tell them what their motivations actually are as I'm sure they know better than I what actually motivates them. Out of interest the Tory welfare cuts in your opinion how is that helping people that are not fit to work and on ESA or PIP losing there money and getting told no your fit to work ? There have been plenty of cases where people have cancer that are dying being told their fit to work so how the Tory welfare cuts helping them ? Plus i dont believe your that blind not to see when they get someone off benefits they dont give a damn if your not fit to work its all about making their record for getting people into work look good thats it " I'm not interested in defending Tory cuts at this time. However I stand by my statement that they know their motivations for their actions better than you or I and that trying to tell them what their motivation actually is, when they already know, is simply a waist of time. | |||
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"So the Labour party the oarty of devolution is aload of shite And the Labour party the party of Home Rule aload of shite Remember Keir Hardie ? What he wanted for Scotland 100+ years and Scotland still waiting On Home Rule Anyone still wondering why Labour are not to be trusted in Scotland I'm not going to spend any more time than this post defending The Labour Party. It may have escaped your notice but I'm not a natural Labour Party supporter. The fact that the Labour Party is not willing to devolve to Scotland all the powers that you want does not mean its not in favour of devolution or even more devolution. Labour says it's the party of devolution, not independence. If all those powers that you listed were devolved to the Scotland then Scotland would be, in all but name, independent not devolved. I understand that (as a strong SNP supporter) that independence is what you want but it's not the policy of the Labour Party and so why should they agree to giving powers that, in all but name, would actually deliver that result? I answered your question because you said if your question was answered you'd move on and answer the questions other people on here have asked you to answer. Don't you think you should stick to your word now do that?" Again out of interest what do you believe Home Rule for Scotland means ? | |||
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"So the Labour party the oarty of devolution is aload of shite And the Labour party the party of Home Rule aload of shite Remember Keir Hardie ? What he wanted for Scotland 100+ years and Scotland still waiting On Home Rule Anyone still wondering why Labour are not to be trusted in Scotland I'm not going to spend any more time than this post defending The Labour Party. It may have escaped your notice but I'm not a natural Labour Party supporter. The fact that the Labour Party is not willing to devolve to Scotland all the powers that you want does not mean its not in favour of devolution or even more devolution. Labour says it's the party of devolution, not independence. If all those powers that you listed were devolved to the Scotland then Scotland would be, in all but name, independent not devolved. I understand that (as a strong SNP supporter) that independence is what you want but it's not the policy of the Labour Party and so why should they agree to giving powers that, in all but name, would actually deliver that result? I answered your question because you said if your question was answered you'd move on and answer the questions other people on here have asked you to answer. Don't you think you should stick to your word now do that? Again out of interest what do you believe Home Rule for Scotland means ? " Home Rule, whether for Scotland or anywhere else, means whatever the person saying it wants it to mean. That can be anything from less power than the Welsh Assembly currently has to full internal self-government (independence in all but name). So I can't really say what it actually means because it depends who said it and it what context it was said. Maybe you could tell use what you think it means or what you thought it meant. | |||
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"Ah right so i suppose the Tories are cutting welfare for the best interests for the while of the UK eh ? Is that not screwing over people not fit work We all know the Tories put party first " To address your point... The Country is skint. Welfare is there to support the most needy. There is only so much money to go around and unfortunately money has to be cut somewhere. Bringing the axe down will hurt someone along the line. However, you are blinkered or brainwashed to think that the Tories or Labour for that matter want to punish people for being disadvantaged. There are people who genuinely cannot work. There are also people who "cannot work" but manage to get from the bookies to the pub to spend their dole money. I grew up on a council estate rife with crime and drugs. I worked fucking hard to get myself out of there, get qualifications and make a life for myself. My brother walks a different path. He lives on the scrounge, claims all manner of things due to being unable to work. I subsidise his lifestyle through my taxes. He could work. It would be meaningful work. If his bebefits were cut, he would have no choice but to take any job to actually contribute to society, rather than taking. Blaming the Westminster Government achieves nothing. Demonising the Tories and/or Labour when the SNP are hell bent on their agenda of devolution and EU integration speaks volumes. Sorry. Complete tangent. However it frustrates me when people say "I'm never voting Tory because of Thatcher, mine closure, because my Dad is a labour supporter" etc. | |||
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"So the Labour party the oarty of devolution is aload of shite And the Labour party the party of Home Rule aload of shite Remember Keir Hardie ? What he wanted for Scotland 100+ years and Scotland still waiting On Home Rule Anyone still wondering why Labour are not to be trusted in Scotland I'm not going to spend any more time than this post defending The Labour Party. It may have escaped your notice but I'm not a natural Labour Party supporter. The fact that the Labour Party is not willing to devolve to Scotland all the powers that you want does not mean its not in favour of devolution or even more devolution. Labour says it's the party of devolution, not independence. If all those powers that you listed were devolved to the Scotland then Scotland would be, in all but name, independent not devolved. I understand that (as a strong SNP supporter) that independence is what you want but it's not the policy of the Labour Party and so why should they agree to giving powers that, in all but name, would actually deliver that result? I answered your question because you said if your question was answered you'd move on and answer the questions other people on here have asked you to answer. Don't you think you should stick to your word now do that? Again out of interest what do you believe Home Rule for Scotland means ? Home Rule, whether for Scotland or anywhere else, means whatever the person saying it wants it to mean. That can be anything from less power than the Welsh Assembly currently has to full internal self-government (independence in all but name). So I can't really say what it actually means because it depends who said it and it what context it was said. Maybe you could tell use what you think it means or what you thought it meant." Cop out answer In your opinion what do you think Home Rule for Scotland is ? You said if all those powers were devolved it would be independence in all but name So like i asked in your opinion what do you think Home Rule for Scotland is ? Everyone has an opinion Home Rule in my opinion is the right to self govern so with those powers i listed are not devolved then thats not really home rule is it ? Fabio loves going on about welfare powers Scotland is getting but fails to tell people the welfare powers the Scottish government will not have full control over the welfare powers that dont sound like Home Rule The Fluffy Mundell saying Scotland will have the most powerful parilament in the world yeah right pull the other one lol | |||
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"Ah right so i suppose the Tories are cutting welfare for the best interests for the while of the UK eh ? Is that not screwing over people not fit work We all know the Tories put party first To address your point... The Country is skint. Welfare is there to support the most needy. There is only so much money to go around and unfortunately money has to be cut somewhere. Bringing the axe down will hurt someone along the line. However, you are blinkered or brainwashed to think that the Tories or Labour for that matter want to punish people for being disadvantaged. There are people who genuinely cannot work. There are also people who "cannot work" but manage to get from the bookies to the pub to spend their dole money. I grew up on a council estate rife with crime and drugs. I worked fucking hard to get myself out of there, get qualifications and make a life for myself. My brother walks a different path. He lives on the scrounge, claims all manner of things due to being unable to work. I subsidise his lifestyle through my taxes. He could work. It would be meaningful work. If his bebefits were cut, he would have no choice but to take any job to actually contribute to society, rather than taking. Blaming the Westminster Government achieves nothing. Demonising the Tories and/or Labour when the SNP are hell bent on their agenda of devolution and EU integration speaks volumes. Sorry. Complete tangent. However it frustrates me when people say "I'm never voting Tory because of Thatcher, mine closure, because my Dad is a labour supporter" etc. " Ah right so go after the people not fit to work but hey oh lets give the wealthy rich elite safe places to avoid paying tax by putting it into offshore accounts why not go after them ? The Tories put the party and the rich elite first and screw over the poor and you know it | |||
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"So the Labour party the oarty of devolution is aload of shite And the Labour party the party of Home Rule aload of shite Remember Keir Hardie ? What he wanted for Scotland 100+ years and Scotland still waiting On Home Rule Anyone still wondering why Labour are not to be trusted in Scotland I'm not going to spend any more time than this post defending The Labour Party. It may have escaped your notice but I'm not a natural Labour Party supporter. The fact that the Labour Party is not willing to devolve to Scotland all the powers that you want does not mean its not in favour of devolution or even more devolution. Labour says it's the party of devolution, not independence. If all those powers that you listed were devolved to the Scotland then Scotland would be, in all but name, independent not devolved. I understand that (as a strong SNP supporter) that independence is what you want but it's not the policy of the Labour Party and so why should they agree to giving powers that, in all but name, would actually deliver that result? I answered your question because you said if your question was answered you'd move on and answer the questions other people on here have asked you to answer. Don't you think you should stick to your word now do that? Again out of interest what do you believe Home Rule for Scotland means ? Home Rule, whether for Scotland or anywhere else, means whatever the person saying it wants it to mean. That can be anything from less power than the Welsh Assembly currently has to full internal self-government (independence in all but name). So I can't really say what it actually means because it depends who said it and it what context it was said. Maybe you could tell use what you think it means or what you thought it meant. Cop out answer In your opinion what do you think Home Rule for Scotland is ? You said if all those powers were devolved it would be independence in all but name So like i asked in your opinion what do you think Home Rule for Scotland is ? Everyone has an opinion Home Rule in my opinion is the right to self govern so with those powers i listed are not devolved then thats not really home rule is it ? Fabio loves going on about welfare powers Scotland is getting but fails to tell people the welfare powers the Scottish government will not have full control over the welfare powers that dont sound like Home Rule The Fluffy Mundell saying Scotland will have the most powerful parilament in the world yeah right pull the other one lol" I see you're miss quoting Mundell again. He actually said "Scotland will have one of the most powerful devolved parliaments in the world". I stand by my definition that 'Home Rule' means what ever the person saying it wants it to mean. | |||
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"Ah right so i suppose the Tories are cutting welfare for the best interests for the while of the UK eh ? Is that not screwing over people not fit work We all know the Tories put party first To address your point... The Country is skint. Welfare is there to support the most needy. There is only so much money to go around and unfortunately money has to be cut somewhere. Bringing the axe down will hurt someone along the line. However, you are blinkered or brainwashed to think that the Tories or Labour for that matter want to punish people for being disadvantaged. There are people who genuinely cannot work. There are also people who "cannot work" but manage to get from the bookies to the pub to spend their dole money. I grew up on a council estate rife with crime and drugs. I worked fucking hard to get myself out of there, get qualifications and make a life for myself. My brother walks a different path. He lives on the scrounge, claims all manner of things due to being unable to work. I subsidise his lifestyle through my taxes. He could work. It would be meaningful work. If his bebefits were cut, he would have no choice but to take any job to actually contribute to society, rather than taking. Blaming the Westminster Government achieves nothing. Demonising the Tories and/or Labour when the SNP are hell bent on their agenda of devolution and EU integration speaks volumes. Sorry. Complete tangent. However it frustrates me when people say "I'm never voting Tory because of Thatcher, mine closure, because my Dad is a labour supporter" etc. Ah right so go after the people not fit to work but hey oh lets give the wealthy rich elite safe places to avoid paying tax by putting it into offshore accounts why not go after them ? The Tories put the party and the rich elite first and screw over the poor and you know it " Why do constantly think you know what another person knows better than they do themselves? He's clearly said, based on what he knows, what he thinks. Whether you agree with him or not what makes you think you know what he knows better then him? One day you may realise that not everyone sees the world as you do, nut I won't hold my breath waiting. | |||
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"So the Labour party the oarty of devolution is aload of shite And the Labour party the party of Home Rule aload of shite Remember Keir Hardie ? What he wanted for Scotland 100+ years and Scotland still waiting On Home Rule Anyone still wondering why Labour are not to be trusted in Scotland I'm not going to spend any more time than this post defending The Labour Party. It may have escaped your notice but I'm not a natural Labour Party supporter. The fact that the Labour Party is not willing to devolve to Scotland all the powers that you want does not mean its not in favour of devolution or even more devolution. Labour says it's the party of devolution, not independence. If all those powers that you listed were devolved to the Scotland then Scotland would be, in all but name, independent not devolved. I understand that (as a strong SNP supporter) that independence is what you want but it's not the policy of the Labour Party and so why should they agree to giving powers that, in all but name, would actually deliver that result? I answered your question because you said if your question was answered you'd move on and answer the questions other people on here have asked you to answer. Don't you think you should stick to your word now do that? Again out of interest what do you believe Home Rule for Scotland means ? Home Rule, whether for Scotland or anywhere else, means whatever the person saying it wants it to mean. That can be anything from less power than the Welsh Assembly currently has to full internal self-government (independence in all but name). So I can't really say what it actually means because it depends who said it and it what context it was said. Maybe you could tell use what you think it means or what you thought it meant. Cop out answer In your opinion what do you think Home Rule for Scotland is ? You said if all those powers were devolved it would be independence in all but name So like i asked in your opinion what do you think Home Rule for Scotland is ? Everyone has an opinion Home Rule in my opinion is the right to self govern so with those powers i listed are not devolved then thats not really home rule is it ? Fabio loves going on about welfare powers Scotland is getting but fails to tell people the welfare powers the Scottish government will not have full control over the welfare powers that dont sound like Home Rule The Fluffy Mundell saying Scotland will have the most powerful parilament in the world yeah right pull the other one lol I see you're miss quoting Mundell again. He actually said "Scotland will have one of the most powerful devolved parliaments in the world". I stand by my definition that 'Home Rule' means what ever the person saying it wants it to mean. " And in your opinion what do you think Home Rule means ? Yet to hear your opinion on what it means So in your opinion do you believe Scotland has the most a powerful devolved parilament ? Remember now of all those powers that are not devolved that i listed on here if it really was a powerful devolved parilament surely we would have all those powers devolved and the power to hold a binding referendum oh wait all those powers lies with Westminster Some powerful devolved parilament if i didnt know any better unionists are shit scared to give real devolved power to Scotland incase it shows Westminster up and that Scotland can go it alone | |||
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"So the Labour party the oarty of devolution is aload of shite And the Labour party the party of Home Rule aload of shite Remember Keir Hardie ? What he wanted for Scotland 100+ years and Scotland still waiting On Home Rule Anyone still wondering why Labour are not to be trusted in Scotland I'm not going to spend any more time than this post defending The Labour Party. It may have escaped your notice but I'm not a natural Labour Party supporter. The fact that the Labour Party is not willing to devolve to Scotland all the powers that you want does not mean its not in favour of devolution or even more devolution. Labour says it's the party of devolution, not independence. If all those powers that you listed were devolved to the Scotland then Scotland would be, in all but name, independent not devolved. I understand that (as a strong SNP supporter) that independence is what you want but it's not the policy of the Labour Party and so why should they agree to giving powers that, in all but name, would actually deliver that result? I answered your question because you said if your question was answered you'd move on and answer the questions other people on here have asked you to answer. Don't you think you should stick to your word now do that? Again out of interest what do you believe Home Rule for Scotland means ? Home Rule, whether for Scotland or anywhere else, means whatever the person saying it wants it to mean. That can be anything from less power than the Welsh Assembly currently has to full internal self-government (independence in all but name). So I can't really say what it actually means because it depends who said it and it what context it was said. Maybe you could tell use what you think it means or what you thought it meant. Cop out answer In your opinion what do you think Home Rule for Scotland is ? You said if all those powers were devolved it would be independence in all but name So like i asked in your opinion what do you think Home Rule for Scotland is ? Everyone has an opinion Home Rule in my opinion is the right to self govern so with those powers i listed are not devolved then thats not really home rule is it ? Fabio loves going on about welfare powers Scotland is getting but fails to tell people the welfare powers the Scottish government will not have full control over the welfare powers that dont sound like Home Rule The Fluffy Mundell saying Scotland will have the most powerful parilament in the world yeah right pull the other one lol I see you're miss quoting Mundell again. He actually said "Scotland will have one of the most powerful devolved parliaments in the world". I stand by my definition that 'Home Rule' means what ever the person saying it wants it to mean. And in your opinion what do you think Home Rule means ? Yet to hear your opinion on what it means " I've answered this twice now and I'll answer it one more time again. Home Rule means what ever the person saying it wants it to mean. If you don't like that answer that tough because it's the only answer you're going to get to that question from me. " So in your opinion do you believe Scotland has the most a powerful devolved parilament ? Remember now of all those powers that are not devolved that i listed on here if it really was a powerful devolved parilament surely we would have all those powers devolved and the power to hold a binding referendum oh wait all those powers lies with Westminster " You never asked me whether I believed Scotland has the most powerful devolved parliament and, on this thread, I've not expressed any opinion on that. What I have done is corrected your miss quote of Mundell " Some powerful devolved parilament if i didnt know any better unionists are shit scared to give real devolved power to Scotland incase it shows Westminster up and that Scotland can go it alone " TBH I don't really care whether you think Unionists are shit scared or not, or even if Unionists are shit cared or not because it's relevant to the argument. Scotland does have a devolved parliament and that parliament has real powers. The fact that you think it should have more powers, and I might agree in some areas, doesn't mean that the current parliament is not a devolved parliament. Just out of interest, since you said you would answer other peoples question if someone answered your question on devolved tax powers, and I have answered that question, are you going to keep to your word and actually answer any of those peoples questions or not? | |||
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"So the Labour party the oarty of devolution is aload of shite And the Labour party the party of Home Rule aload of shite Remember Keir Hardie ? What he wanted for Scotland 100+ years and Scotland still waiting On Home Rule Anyone still wondering why Labour are not to be trusted in Scotland I'm not going to spend any more time than this post defending The Labour Party. It may have escaped your notice but I'm not a natural Labour Party supporter. The fact that the Labour Party is not willing to devolve to Scotland all the powers that you want does not mean its not in favour of devolution or even more devolution. Labour says it's the party of devolution, not independence. If all those powers that you listed were devolved to the Scotland then Scotland would be, in all but name, independent not devolved. I understand that (as a strong SNP supporter) that independence is what you want but it's not the policy of the Labour Party and so why should they agree to giving powers that, in all but name, would actually deliver that result? I answered your question because you said if your question was answered you'd move on and answer the questions other people on here have asked you to answer. Don't you think you should stick to your word now do that? Again out of interest what do you believe Home Rule for Scotland means ? Home Rule, whether for Scotland or anywhere else, means whatever the person saying it wants it to mean. That can be anything from less power than the Welsh Assembly currently has to full internal self-government (independence in all but name). So I can't really say what it actually means because it depends who said it and it what context it was said. Maybe you could tell use what you think it means or what you thought it meant. Cop out answer In your opinion what do you think Home Rule for Scotland is ? You said if all those powers were devolved it would be independence in all but name So like i asked in your opinion what do you think Home Rule for Scotland is ? Everyone has an opinion Home Rule in my opinion is the right to self govern so with those powers i listed are not devolved then thats not really home rule is it ? Fabio loves going on about welfare powers Scotland is getting but fails to tell people the welfare powers the Scottish government will not have full control over the welfare powers that dont sound like Home Rule The Fluffy Mundell saying Scotland will have the most powerful parilament in the world yeah right pull the other one lol I see you're miss quoting Mundell again. He actually said "Scotland will have one of the most powerful devolved parliaments in the world". I stand by my definition that 'Home Rule' means what ever the person saying it wants it to mean. And in your opinion what do you think Home Rule means ? Yet to hear your opinion on what it means I've answered this twice now and I'll answer it one more time again. Home Rule means what ever the person saying it wants it to mean. If you don't like that answer that tough because it's the only answer you're going to get to that question from me. So in your opinion do you believe Scotland has the most a powerful devolved parilament ? Remember now of all those powers that are not devolved that i listed on here if it really was a powerful devolved parilament surely we would have all those powers devolved and the power to hold a binding referendum oh wait all those powers lies with Westminster You never asked me whether I believed Scotland has the most powerful devolved parliament and, on this thread, I've not expressed any opinion on that. What I have done is corrected your miss quote of Mundell Some powerful devolved parilament if i didnt know any better unionists are shit scared to give real devolved power to Scotland incase it shows Westminster up and that Scotland can go it alone TBH I don't really care whether you think Unionists are shit scared or not, or even if Unionists are shit cared or not because it's relevant to the argument. Scotland does have a devolved parliament and that parliament has real powers. The fact that you think it should have more powers, and I might agree in some areas, doesn't mean that the current parliament is not a devolved parliament. Just out of interest, since you said you would answer other peoples question if someone answered your question on devolved tax powers, and I have answered that question, are you going to keep to your word and actually answer any of those peoples questions or not?" Cop out answer In your opinion you must have an opinion on what you think Home Rule means ? Here i will help you in my opinion Home Rule is the right to self govern So what do you think Home Rule means ? Saying uts whatever a person wants it to mean is a cop out You have some baws eh you wont answer me on what you think Home Rule means Then you go and ask me a question lol If you answer mine then i shall answer yours ok | |||
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"Oh and Westminster is really an English parilament in all but name shall we have a look lol The so called UK parilament has 650 seats 533 represent England 59 represent Scotland 40 represent Wales 10 represent NI as Sinn Finn dont send MPs Scotland will always be outvoted on Scottish matters in Westminster Where as EVEL made sure in a UK parilament yes a UK parilament to ban Scottish MPs from voting in things that may effect Scotland Say like the cuts the the English NHS it the effects Scottish NHS with cuts There right there is why the UK is not an equal partnership or family of nations when English Mps think they can dictate what Scotland gets in a set budget to work with abd what powers should or should not be devolved to Scotland Like i said if i didnt know any better sounds like unionists are shit scared to give Scotland real devolved power " The old switch and bate tactic. "I'm not doing so well on my initial argument so I'll bring up another topic to deflect attention away" Unfortunately, on this one, you've got it wrong. All UK MPs, including Scottish MPs, get to vote on UK financial matters including the amount of budget set aside for the NHS. Scottish MP no longer get to vote on how the NHS is actually organised in England because that is a devolved issue. If Scottish MPs want to vote on how the NHS is organised in England then they can ask the Scottish Parliament to a yield back to Westminster the devolved powers to organise the NHS in Scotland and return the organisation of the whole of the NHS in the UK to Westminster. Is that what you want? | |||
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"So the Labour party the oarty of devolution is aload of shite And the Labour party the party of Home Rule aload of shite Remember Keir Hardie ? What he wanted for Scotland 100+ years and Scotland still waiting On Home Rule Anyone still wondering why Labour are not to be trusted in Scotland I'm not going to spend any more time than this post defending The Labour Party. It may have escaped your notice but I'm not a natural Labour Party supporter. The fact that the Labour Party is not willing to devolve to Scotland all the powers that you want does not mean its not in favour of devolution or even more devolution. Labour says it's the party of devolution, not independence. If all those powers that you listed were devolved to the Scotland then Scotland would be, in all but name, independent not devolved. I understand that (as a strong SNP supporter) that independence is what you want but it's not the policy of the Labour Party and so why should they agree to giving powers that, in all but name, would actually deliver that result? I answered your question because you said if your question was answered you'd move on and answer the questions other people on here have asked you to answer. Don't you think you should stick to your word now do that? Again out of interest what do you believe Home Rule for Scotland means ? Home Rule, whether for Scotland or anywhere else, means whatever the person saying it wants it to mean. That can be anything from less power than the Welsh Assembly currently has to full internal self-government (independence in all but name). So I can't really say what it actually means because it depends who said it and it what context it was said. Maybe you could tell use what you think it means or what you thought it meant. Cop out answer In your opinion what do you think Home Rule for Scotland is ? You said if all those powers were devolved it would be independence in all but name So like i asked in your opinion what do you think Home Rule for Scotland is ? Everyone has an opinion Home Rule in my opinion is the right to self govern so with those powers i listed are not devolved then thats not really home rule is it ? Fabio loves going on about welfare powers Scotland is getting but fails to tell people the welfare powers the Scottish government will not have full control over the welfare powers that dont sound like Home Rule The Fluffy Mundell saying Scotland will have the most powerful parilament in the world yeah right pull the other one lol I see you're miss quoting Mundell again. He actually said "Scotland will have one of the most powerful devolved parliaments in the world". I stand by my definition that 'Home Rule' means what ever the person saying it wants it to mean. And in your opinion what do you think Home Rule means ? Yet to hear your opinion on what it means I've answered this twice now and I'll answer it one more time again. Home Rule means what ever the person saying it wants it to mean. If you don't like that answer that tough because it's the only answer you're going to get to that question from me. So in your opinion do you believe Scotland has the most a powerful devolved parilament ? Remember now of all those powers that are not devolved that i listed on here if it really was a powerful devolved parilament surely we would have all those powers devolved and the power to hold a binding referendum oh wait all those powers lies with Westminster You never asked me whether I believed Scotland has the most powerful devolved parliament and, on this thread, I've not expressed any opinion on that. What I have done is corrected your miss quote of Mundell Some powerful devolved parilament if i didnt know any better unionists are shit scared to give real devolved power to Scotland incase it shows Westminster up and that Scotland can go it alone TBH I don't really care whether you think Unionists are shit scared or not, or even if Unionists are shit cared or not because it's relevant to the argument. Scotland does have a devolved parliament and that parliament has real powers. The fact that you think it should have more powers, and I might agree in some areas, doesn't mean that the current parliament is not a devolved parliament. Just out of interest, since you said you would answer other peoples question if someone answered your question on devolved tax powers, and I have answered that question, are you going to keep to your word and actually answer any of those peoples questions or not? Cop out answer In your opinion you must have an opinion on what you think Home Rule means ? Here i will help you in my opinion Home Rule is the right to self govern So what do you think Home Rule means ? Saying uts whatever a person wants it to mean is a cop out You have some baws eh you wont answer me on what you think Home Rule means Then you go and ask me a question lol If you answer mine then i shall answer yours ok " I have answered your question on Home Rule three times, I'm not going to change my answer just because it's not the answer you want to hear. It's my answer, it answers your question completely and succinctly and It's the only answer I'm going to give to that question. You can call it a cop-out if you want but everyone else knows you're just looking for an excuse not to answer the questions you promised to answer if your question on tax powers was answered. I don't know if you're just too scared to answer then, simply don't know the answers to them or know the answers won't help your cause. 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"Oh and Westminster is really an English parilament in all but name shall we have a look lol The so called UK parilament has 650 seats 533 represent England 59 represent Scotland 40 represent Wales 10 represent NI as Sinn Finn dont send MPs Scotland will always be outvoted on Scottish matters in Westminster Where as EVEL made sure in a UK parilament yes a UK parilament to ban Scottish MPs from voting in things that may effect Scotland Say like the cuts the the English NHS it the effects Scottish NHS with cuts There right there is why the UK is not an equal partnership or family of nations when English Mps think they can dictate what Scotland gets in a set budget to work with abd what powers should or should not be devolved to Scotland Like i said if i didnt know any better sounds like unionists are shit scared to give Scotland real devolved power The old switch and bate tactic. "I'm not doing so well on my initial argument so I'll bring up another topic to deflect attention away" Unfortunately, on this one, you've got it wrong. All UK MPs, including Scottish MPs, get to vote on UK financial matters including the amount of budget set aside for the NHS. Scottish MP no longer get to vote on how the NHS is actually organised in England because that is a devolved issue. If Scottish MPs want to vote on how the NHS is organised in England then they can ask the Scottish Parliament to a yield back to Westminster the devolved powers to organise the NHS in Scotland and return the organisation of the whole of the NHS in the UK to Westminster. Is that what you want? " Wow how can it be bait and switch its my thread i can post what i like unless you think i should be gagged on what i say now ? Your more than welcome to start your own thread and put what you wanna say on it lol Wrong if the English NHS has cuts it then effects the Scottish NHS with cuts money is not devolved Scotland Yes the Scottish NHS is devolved and has the best record in the UK and Nuffield trust think the English NHS could learn from the Scottish NHS So yes the Scotland are incontrol of where the money gets spent in the NHS in Scotland what Scotland has no control over Is what budget we get and if the Tories are cutting the English NHS then yes it then effects Scotlands NHS with cuts I bet alot of people in England wish the SNP could be in charge of the NHS for the whole of the UK since the Scottish NHS is the best in the UK I really hope the NHS in the rest of the UK improves but with the Tories and Labour in charge of England and Wales i very much doubt it | |||
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"So the Labour party the oarty of devolution is aload of shite And the Labour party the party of Home Rule aload of shite Remember Keir Hardie ? What he wanted for Scotland 100+ years and Scotland still waiting On Home Rule Anyone still wondering why Labour are not to be trusted in Scotland I'm not going to spend any more time than this post defending The Labour Party. It may have escaped your notice but I'm not a natural Labour Party supporter. The fact that the Labour Party is not willing to devolve to Scotland all the powers that you want does not mean its not in favour of devolution or even more devolution. Labour says it's the party of devolution, not independence. If all those powers that you listed were devolved to the Scotland then Scotland would be, in all but name, independent not devolved. I understand that (as a strong SNP supporter) that independence is what you want but it's not the policy of the Labour Party and so why should they agree to giving powers that, in all but name, would actually deliver that result? I answered your question because you said if your question was answered you'd move on and answer the questions other people on here have asked you to answer. Don't you think you should stick to your word now do that? Again out of interest what do you believe Home Rule for Scotland means ? Home Rule, whether for Scotland or anywhere else, means whatever the person saying it wants it to mean. That can be anything from less power than the Welsh Assembly currently has to full internal self-government (independence in all but name). So I can't really say what it actually means because it depends who said it and it what context it was said. Maybe you could tell use what you think it means or what you thought it meant. Cop out answer In your opinion what do you think Home Rule for Scotland is ? You said if all those powers were devolved it would be independence in all but name So like i asked in your opinion what do you think Home Rule for Scotland is ? Everyone has an opinion Home Rule in my opinion is the right to self govern so with those powers i listed are not devolved then thats not really home rule is it ? Fabio loves going on about welfare powers Scotland is getting but fails to tell people the welfare powers the Scottish government will not have full control over the welfare powers that dont sound like Home Rule The Fluffy Mundell saying Scotland will have the most powerful parilament in the world yeah right pull the other one lol I see you're miss quoting Mundell again. He actually said "Scotland will have one of the most powerful devolved parliaments in the world". I stand by my definition that 'Home Rule' means what ever the person saying it wants it to mean. And in your opinion what do you think Home Rule means ? Yet to hear your opinion on what it means I've answered this twice now and I'll answer it one more time again. Home Rule means what ever the person saying it wants it to mean. If you don't like that answer that tough because it's the only answer you're going to get to that question from me. So in your opinion do you believe Scotland has the most a powerful devolved parilament ? Remember now of all those powers that are not devolved that i listed on here if it really was a powerful devolved parilament surely we would have all those powers devolved and the power to hold a binding referendum oh wait all those powers lies with Westminster You never asked me whether I believed Scotland has the most powerful devolved parliament and, on this thread, I've not expressed any opinion on that. What I have done is corrected your miss quote of Mundell Some powerful devolved parilament if i didnt know any better unionists are shit scared to give real devolved power to Scotland incase it shows Westminster up and that Scotland can go it alone TBH I don't really care whether you think Unionists are shit scared or not, or even if Unionists are shit cared or not because it's relevant to the argument. Scotland does have a devolved parliament and that parliament has real powers. The fact that you think it should have more powers, and I might agree in some areas, doesn't mean that the current parliament is not a devolved parliament. Just out of interest, since you said you would answer other peoples question if someone answered your question on devolved tax powers, and I have answered that question, are you going to keep to your word and actually answer any of those peoples questions or not? Cop out answer In your opinion you must have an opinion on what you think Home Rule means ? Here i will help you in my opinion Home Rule is the right to self govern So what do you think Home Rule means ? Saying uts whatever a person wants it to mean is a cop out You have some baws eh you wont answer me on what you think Home Rule means Then you go and ask me a question lol If you answer mine then i shall answer yours ok I have answered your question on Home Rule three times, I'm not going to change my answer just because it's not the answer you want to hear. It's my answer, it answers your question completely and succinctly and It's the only answer I'm going to give to that question. You can call it a cop-out if you want but everyone else knows you're just looking for an excuse not to answer the questions you promised to answer if your question on tax powers was answered. I don't know if you're just too scared to answer then, simply don't know the answers to them or know the answers won't help your cause. Why don't you try showing a little integrity by doing what you promised to do and answer them? " Me scared nope just happy to point out that this shit is piss poor how unionists believe i have to answer them all the time but when i ask them questions its either answering with a question or failure to answer my question like say on Home Rule lol So once we start playing fairly then we shall move on Its as if unionists are shit scared to admit something incase it looks bad on their wee UK union lol | |||
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"So the Labour party the oarty of devolution is aload of shite And the Labour party the party of Home Rule aload of shite Remember Keir Hardie ? What he wanted for Scotland 100+ years and Scotland still waiting On Home Rule Anyone still wondering why Labour are not to be trusted in Scotland I'm not going to spend any more time than this post defending The Labour Party. It may have escaped your notice but I'm not a natural Labour Party supporter. The fact that the Labour Party is not willing to devolve to Scotland all the powers that you want does not mean its not in favour of devolution or even more devolution. Labour says it's the party of devolution, not independence. If all those powers that you listed were devolved to the Scotland then Scotland would be, in all but name, independent not devolved. I understand that (as a strong SNP supporter) that independence is what you want but it's not the policy of the Labour Party and so why should they agree to giving powers that, in all but name, would actually deliver that result? I answered your question because you said if your question was answered you'd move on and answer the questions other people on here have asked you to answer. Don't you think you should stick to your word now do that? Again out of interest what do you believe Home Rule for Scotland means ? Home Rule, whether for Scotland or anywhere else, means whatever the person saying it wants it to mean. That can be anything from less power than the Welsh Assembly currently has to full internal self-government (independence in all but name). So I can't really say what it actually means because it depends who said it and it what context it was said. Maybe you could tell use what you think it means or what you thought it meant. Cop out answer In your opinion what do you think Home Rule for Scotland is ? You said if all those powers were devolved it would be independence in all but name So like i asked in your opinion what do you think Home Rule for Scotland is ? Everyone has an opinion Home Rule in my opinion is the right to self govern so with those powers i listed are not devolved then thats not really home rule is it ? Fabio loves going on about welfare powers Scotland is getting but fails to tell people the welfare powers the Scottish government will not have full control over the welfare powers that dont sound like Home Rule The Fluffy Mundell saying Scotland will have the most powerful parilament in the world yeah right pull the other one lol I see you're miss quoting Mundell again. He actually said "Scotland will have one of the most powerful devolved parliaments in the world". I stand by my definition that 'Home Rule' means what ever the person saying it wants it to mean. And in your opinion what do you think Home Rule means ? Yet to hear your opinion on what it means I've answered this twice now and I'll answer it one more time again. Home Rule means what ever the person saying it wants it to mean. If you don't like that answer that tough because it's the only answer you're going to get to that question from me. So in your opinion do you believe Scotland has the most a powerful devolved parilament ? Remember now of all those powers that are not devolved that i listed on here if it really was a powerful devolved parilament surely we would have all those powers devolved and the power to hold a binding referendum oh wait all those powers lies with Westminster You never asked me whether I believed Scotland has the most powerful devolved parliament and, on this thread, I've not expressed any opinion on that. What I have done is corrected your miss quote of Mundell Some powerful devolved parilament if i didnt know any better unionists are shit scared to give real devolved power to Scotland incase it shows Westminster up and that Scotland can go it alone TBH I don't really care whether you think Unionists are shit scared or not, or even if Unionists are shit cared or not because it's relevant to the argument. Scotland does have a devolved parliament and that parliament has real powers. The fact that you think it should have more powers, and I might agree in some areas, doesn't mean that the current parliament is not a devolved parliament. Just out of interest, since you said you would answer other peoples question if someone answered your question on devolved tax powers, and I have answered that question, are you going to keep to your word and actually answer any of those peoples questions or not? Cop out answer In your opinion you must have an opinion on what you think Home Rule means ? Here i will help you in my opinion Home Rule is the right to self govern So what do you think Home Rule means ? Saying uts whatever a person wants it to mean is a cop out You have some baws eh you wont answer me on what you think Home Rule means Then you go and ask me a question lol If you answer mine then i shall answer yours ok I have answered your question on Home Rule three times, I'm not going to change my answer just because it's not the answer you want to hear. It's my answer, it answers your question completely and succinctly and It's the only answer I'm going to give to that question. You can call it a cop-out if you want but everyone else knows you're just looking for an excuse not to answer the questions you promised to answer if your question on tax powers was answered. I don't know if you're just too scared to answer then, simply don't know the answers to them or know the answers won't help your cause. Why don't you try showing a little integrity by doing what you promised to do and answer them? Me scared nope just happy to point out that this shit is piss poor how unionists believe i have to answer them all the time but when i ask them questions its either answering with a question or failure to answer my question like say on Home Rule lol So once we start playing fairly then we shall move on Its as if unionists are shit scared to admit something incase it looks bad on their wee UK union lol " You seem to have a problem understanding that, just because a person doesn't give the answer you want to hear, it doesn't mean they haven't answered your question. I answered your question on Tax Powers, I answered your question on Home Rule (All be it not the answer you wanted to hear). So far you've answered no questions al all, not even a co-out or unsatisfactory answer, just a total refusal to answer any questions at all. 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" What it tells you is what we have known all along that that Labour are Red Tories and couldnt care less about Scotland hell they even voted against all powers being devolved to Scotland in the Smith commission If anyone would like to challenge that and claim i am lying the floor is yours to debunk me lol which vote was that? and if it is the vote that i think it was (the one in the EU withdrawal bill) why are you trying to pedal a falsehood yet again that was explained to you at the time.... Nope Fabio proves you have no clue about Scotland In 2014 Scottish independence referendum the Better Together mob offered Scotland extra powers , devo max , Home Rule Which was coined as " The Vow" So the Smith commission aka the Scotland Bill Labour voted against devolving all those powers to Scotland bot a single power Labour wanted to devolve Scotland even though Gordon Brown stood there and told Labour supporters that Labour were putting forward Home Rule for Scotland and Scotland would be a near federial state within the UK Go on i challenge you to name one single power Labour wanted to devolve to Scotland in the Smith Commission ? This will show you how much Labour are against Scotland okay... since we are talking about the vow..... what powers are in "the vow" recommendation report have not been acted upon that are not devolved to you at this present time? (bearing in mind that all the welfare aspects will be fulfilled in april, and were only delayed implementing before at the request of the scottish govenrment) the only part i can see is voting for 16-17 yr olds in scottish elections... which may supprise you becaue i think all 16-17 yr olds should have the right to all in all uk elections Wow you really asked me a question without answering my question to you Try and answer this name one single power Labour wanted to devolve to Scotland in the Smith Commission ? Them we will talk " Once again you show your ignorance. The Smith Commission was an all party negotiation. The snp did not sit and and ask for powers it was agreed by all party's equally. One thing you don't mention is when swinny was asked if he wanted power over pensions he bolted out the door as he knew how expensive and difficult for Scotland to manage especially with such an ageing population !!! | |||
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"Come back to me when you feel like answering Infact i will answer it again here is what the SNP wanted devolved in the Smith commission Income tax ? - YES Inheritance tax ? - YES Capital gains ?- YES National insurance contributions ? - YES Air passenger duty ? - YES Corporation tax ? - YES Value added tax ? - PARTIAL CAVEATS Wealth tax? - YES Business rate ? -YES Excise duties ? - PARTIAL CAVEATS Aggregates levy ? YES Now follow my lead and do the same and tell me what did Labour want devolved is it really that hard ? Lol You still don't get it do you? No, the SNP didn't want anything "devolved in the Smith commission" nor did any other party. Nothing was "devolved in the Smith commission" you don't even know what you are talking about. Wow you really are piss poor at this lol So you now trying to claim that SNP , Greens , Labour , Tory and Lib Dem never said what they wanted devolved in the Smith Comission ? Ok dont say you were not warned oh look whats this link ? Wait a minute could it be surely not lol yes it is its a link to the BBC you know that piece of shite broadcaster that unionists swears down dead tells the gospel tryth and nothibg but the truth Here is the link that the BBC are telling you what 5 of them think should be devolved in the smith commission Go on CLCC now try and deny that eh rhis is what hapoens when you dont tell the truth you get caught out lying and misleading people hehehehe http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29570658" If you dare put out anything the snats don't agree with you are the enemy !!!! They even matched on the BBC demanding more tartan or some such pish !!!! | |||
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"Oh and Westminster is really an English parilament in all but name shall we have a look lol The so called UK parilament has 650 seats 533 represent England 59 represent Scotland 40 represent Wales 10 represent NI as Sinn Finn dont send MPs Scotland will always be outvoted on Scottish matters in Westminster Where as EVEL made sure in a UK parilament yes a UK parilament to ban Scottish MPs from voting in things that may effect Scotland Say like the cuts the the English NHS it the effects Scottish NHS with cuts There right there is why the UK is not an equal partnership or family of nations when English Mps think they can dictate what Scotland gets in a set budget to work with abd what powers should or should not be devolved to Scotland Like i said if i didnt know any better sounds like unionists are shit scared to give Scotland real devolved power " If you care to work it out, which you wont.... England - 590 MP's representing 53,010,000 people or 99,455 people per MP. Scotland - 59 MP's representing 5,295,000 people or 89,745 people per MP. Wales - 40 MP's representing 3,063,000 people or 76,575 people per MP. NI - 18 MP's representing 1,811,000 people or 100,611 people per MP. So actually NI is hard done to with more people per MP than everyone else. However everywhere bar England does well out of the Barnett Formula. Scotland can't punch above it's weight in Wesminster because of the clear disparity in population. | |||
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"Oh and Westminster is really an English parilament in all but name shall we have a look lol The so called UK parilament has 650 seats 533 represent England 59 represent Scotland 40 represent Wales 10 represent NI as Sinn Finn dont send MPs Scotland will always be outvoted on Scottish matters in Westminster Where as EVEL made sure in a UK parilament yes a UK parilament to ban Scottish MPs from voting in things that may effect Scotland Say like the cuts the the English NHS it the effects Scottish NHS with cuts There right there is why the UK is not an equal partnership or family of nations when English Mps think they can dictate what Scotland gets in a set budget to work with abd what powers should or should not be devolved to Scotland Like i said if i didnt know any better sounds like unionists are shit scared to give Scotland real devolved power If you care to work it out, which you wont.... England - 590 MP's representing 53,010,000 people or 99,455 people per MP. Scotland - 59 MP's representing 5,295,000 people or 89,745 people per MP. Wales - 40 MP's representing 3,063,000 people or 76,575 people per MP. NI - 18 MP's representing 1,811,000 people or 100,611 people per MP. So actually NI is hard done to with more people per MP than everyone else. However everywhere bar England does well out of the Barnett Formula. Scotland can't punch above it's weight in Wesminster because of the clear disparity in population." Ah right so what your saying its on population now lol Again 533 English seats 59 Scottish seats 40 Welsh seats 10 NI seats And people think this really is a UK parilament nope ita an English parilament in all but name Ah the old Scottish people are subsidy junkies well if that were true with a UK government ie Tories hell bent on cutting alot things why then keep Scotland if Scottish people leech of England ? Surely people that believe Scotland get an amazing deal out of the Barnett formula then would be saying no no let Scotland go and we can save all this money that we give iut to Scotland Caught out Westminster knows it needs Scotlands money | |||
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"Oh and Westminster is really an English parilament in all but name shall we have a look lol The so called UK parilament has 650 seats 533 represent England 59 represent Scotland 40 represent Wales 10 represent NI as Sinn Finn dont send MPs Scotland will always be outvoted on Scottish matters in Westminster Where as EVEL made sure in a UK parilament yes a UK parilament to ban Scottish MPs from voting in things that may effect Scotland Say like the cuts the the English NHS it the effects Scottish NHS with cuts There right there is why the UK is not an equal partnership or family of nations when English Mps think they can dictate what Scotland gets in a set budget to work with abd what powers should or should not be devolved to Scotland Like i said if i didnt know any better sounds like unionists are shit scared to give Scotland real devolved power If you care to work it out, which you wont.... England - 590 MP's representing 53,010,000 people or 99,455 people per MP. Scotland - 59 MP's representing 5,295,000 people or 89,745 people per MP. Wales - 40 MP's representing 3,063,000 people or 76,575 people per MP. NI - 18 MP's representing 1,811,000 people or 100,611 people per MP. So actually NI is hard done to with more people per MP than everyone else. However everywhere bar England does well out of the Barnett Formula. Scotland can't punch above it's weight in Wesminster because of the clear disparity in population. Ah right so what your saying its on population now lol Again 533 English seats 59 Scottish seats 40 Welsh seats 10 NI seats And people think this really is a UK parilament nope ita an English parilament in all but name Ah the old Scottish people are subsidy junkies well if that were true with a UK government ie Tories hell bent on cutting alot things why then keep Scotland if Scottish people leech of England ? Surely people that believe Scotland get an amazing deal out of the Barnett formula then would be saying no no let Scotland go and we can save all this money that we give iut to Scotland Caught out Westminster knows it needs Scotlands money " Are you saying the Scotland needs a bigger representation in Scotland? My point is that your representation in Westminster is proportional. | |||
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"Oh and Westminster is really an English parilament in all but name shall we have a look lol The so called UK parilament has 650 seats 533 represent England 59 represent Scotland 40 represent Wales 10 represent NI as Sinn Finn dont send MPs Scotland will always be outvoted on Scottish matters in Westminster Where as EVEL made sure in a UK parilament yes a UK parilament to ban Scottish MPs from voting in things that may effect Scotland Say like the cuts the the English NHS it the effects Scottish NHS with cuts There right there is why the UK is not an equal partnership or family of nations when English Mps think they can dictate what Scotland gets in a set budget to work with abd what powers should or should not be devolved to Scotland Like i said if i didnt know any better sounds like unionists are shit scared to give Scotland real devolved power If you care to work it out, which you wont.... England - 590 MP's representing 53,010,000 people or 99,455 people per MP. Scotland - 59 MP's representing 5,295,000 people or 89,745 people per MP. Wales - 40 MP's representing 3,063,000 people or 76,575 people per MP. NI - 18 MP's representing 1,811,000 people or 100,611 people per MP. So actually NI is hard done to with more people per MP than everyone else. However everywhere bar England does well out of the Barnett Formula. Scotland can't punch above it's weight in Wesminster because of the clear disparity in population. Ah right so what your saying its on population now lol Again 533 English seats 59 Scottish seats 40 Welsh seats 10 NI seats And people think this really is a UK parilament nope ita an English parilament in all but name Ah the old Scottish people are subsidy junkies well if that were true with a UK government ie Tories hell bent on cutting alot things why then keep Scotland if Scottish people leech of England ? Surely people that believe Scotland get an amazing deal out of the Barnett formula then would be saying no no let Scotland go and we can save all this money that we give iut to Scotland Caught out Westminster knows it needs Scotlands money Are you saying the Scotland needs a bigger representation in Scotland? My point is that your representation in Westminster is proportional." Nope want i am saying its very simple Wesminster is an English Parilament in all but name and the UK needs to break up and all four countries go their own way And no its not Scotland vs England we want Englands as neighbours not dictators | |||
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"And how much money does Scotland send south?" By that question are you implying Scotland does not send money thats raised in Scotland to the UK treasury ? Just trying to work out if thats what you are saying | |||
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"And how much money does Scotland send south? By that question are you implying Scotland does not send money thats raised in Scotland to the UK treasury ? Just trying to work out if thats what you are saying " No. By that question I am trying to determine how much money is sent south. Easy question. | |||
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"Roeg lamb trui ad- I lamb na-sindarin " I just thought a real language like Gaelic would be more useful than fictional Sindarin (aka Elvish) but, if it makes life more easy for you, I'll accept your answer to any of the questions raised by others on this thread in English, Scottish Gaelic, Scotch or even Sindarin. | |||
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"Oh and Westminster is really an English parilament in all but name shall we have a look lol The so called UK parilament has 650 seats 533 represent England 59 represent Scotland 40 represent Wales 10 represent NI as Sinn Finn dont send MPs Scotland will always be outvoted on Scottish matters in Westminster Where as EVEL made sure in a UK parilament yes a UK parilament to ban Scottish MPs from voting in things that may effect Scotland Say like the cuts the the English NHS it the effects Scottish NHS with cuts There right there is why the UK is not an equal partnership or family of nations when English Mps think they can dictate what Scotland gets in a set budget to work with abd what powers should or should not be devolved to Scotland Like i said if i didnt know any better sounds like unionists are shit scared to give Scotland real devolved power If you care to work it out, which you wont.... England - 590 MP's representing 53,010,000 people or 99,455 people per MP. Scotland - 59 MP's representing 5,295,000 people or 89,745 people per MP. Wales - 40 MP's representing 3,063,000 people or 76,575 people per MP. NI - 18 MP's representing 1,811,000 people or 100,611 people per MP. So actually NI is hard done to with more people per MP than everyone else. However everywhere bar England does well out of the Barnett Formula. Scotland can't punch above it's weight in Wesminster because of the clear disparity in population. Ah right so what your saying its on population now lol Again 533 English seats 59 Scottish seats 40 Welsh seats 10 NI seats And people think this really is a UK parilament nope ita an English parilament in all but name Ah the old Scottish people are subsidy junkies well if that were true with a UK government ie Tories hell bent on cutting alot things why then keep Scotland if Scottish people leech of England ? Surely people that believe Scotland get an amazing deal out of the Barnett formula then would be saying no no let Scotland go and we can save all this money that we give iut to Scotland Caught out Westminster knows it needs Scotlands money " The parliament has always been set up this way. Your snp mps are up in arms about the boundary changes as they would not be able to represent a larger propotion of the population. Your argument is defeated by your own party !!! | |||
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"I will give you the news yoo wont get from the BBC they will try to mislead on what people So today on Good Mornjng Scotland which is radio in Scotland btw Nicola Sturgeon was on Now the BBC managed to make their own wee spin story so they claim Nicola said sorry for any delays patients had over the winter in the Scottish NHS Now for the real truth and not BBC spin Nicola was saying sorry for any unacceptable delays at any time of the year " Petty very petty | |||
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"I will give you the news yoo wont get from the BBC they will try to mislead on what people So today on Good Mornjng Scotland which is radio in Scotland btw Nicola Sturgeon was on Now the BBC managed to make their own wee spin story so they claim Nicola said sorry for any delays patients had over the winter in the Scottish NHS Now for the real truth and not BBC spin Nicola was saying sorry for any unacceptable delays at any time of the year Petty very petty " Petty ? What did i say that wasnt true ? Do you want the BBC misformating people like that ? | |||
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"I will give you the news yoo wont get from the BBC they will try to mislead on what people So today on Good Mornjng Scotland which is radio in Scotland btw Nicola Sturgeon was on Now the BBC managed to make their own wee spin story so they claim Nicola said sorry for any delays patients had over the winter in the Scottish NHS Now for the real truth and not BBC spin Nicola was saying sorry for any unacceptable delays at any time of the year Petty very petty Petty ? What did i say that wasnt true ? Do you want the BBC misformating people like that ? " Very petty !!! You are splitting hairs on this subject as most people can tell. I would not want to be in charge of health in any country as no party can get it right all of the time. | |||
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"I will give you the news yoo wont get from the BBC they will try to mislead on what people So today on Good Mornjng Scotland which is radio in Scotland btw Nicola Sturgeon was on Now the BBC managed to make their own wee spin story so they claim Nicola said sorry for any delays patients had over the winter in the Scottish NHS Now for the real truth and not BBC spin Nicola was saying sorry for any unacceptable delays at any time of the year Petty very petty Petty ? What did i say that wasnt true ? Do you want the BBC misformating people like that ? Very petty !!! You are splitting hairs on this subject as most people can tell. I would not want to be in charge of health in any country as no party can get it right all of the time." How is it petty ? I am telling you a fact Do you really want the BBC misforming people to what someone actually said ? Did people not learn a thing about the whole Nick Robinson / Alex Salmond with wee Nicky lying telling people Alex never answered when infact he did answer Why do you give the BBC £147 to lie to you like that ? | |||
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"What is the REAL difference between an apology for over the year or just over the winter months ???? Any longer A & E waiting times are not completely the snp fault !!! Most ppl realise it is the most difficult time of the year for the nhs. No one really cares if it is a twelve month or three month appology it is not BBC spin it is poor journalisim not quoting properly !! No big vendetta here !!!!" But it's the other way round. Like you say, everyone expects winter to be hard, but Sturgeon is apologising for the NHS year round. She obviously thinks there are problems 365 days a year. | |||
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"What is the REAL difference between an apology for over the year or just over the winter months ???? Any longer A & E waiting times are not completely the snp fault !!! Most ppl realise it is the most difficult time of the year for the nhs. No one really cares if it is a twelve month or three month appology it is not BBC spin it is poor journalisim not quoting properly !! No big vendetta here !!!! But it's the other way round. Like you say, everyone expects winter to be hard, but Sturgeon is apologising for the NHS year round. She obviously thinks there are problems 365 days a year." I wonder why you choose to comment on this and not the other thread on the Scottish NHS thread lol | |||
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"What a depressing thread. No logic, no point and it took an age to get to the bottom of it. Got to say though, if you could caricature a SNP voter, the OP would be it. " Maybe you shouldn't think in terms of caricatures of SNP voters, they are as varied as voters of any party. | |||
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"What a depressing thread. No logic, no point and it took an age to get to the bottom of it. Got to say though, if you could caricature a SNP voter, the OP would be it. Maybe you shouldn't think in terms of caricatures of SNP voters, they are as varied as voters of any party. "Always good to see a "new" poster in the politics forum. Welcome "Kinky Spice"! | |||
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"What a depressing thread. No logic, no point and it took an age to get to the bottom of it. Got to say though, if you could caricature a SNP voter, the OP would be it. Maybe you shouldn't think in terms of caricatures of SNP voters, they are as varied as voters of any party.
Always good to see a "new" poster in the politics forum. Welcome "Kinky Spice"! "Thanks. I lurk....but sometimes I get riled enough to comment. | |||
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"I'm still waiting for KinkyHnS to answer any of the points raised in this thread or any of the other threads he's either opened or commented on, as he constantly promises to do but never actually does. I don't know if he is a caricature of an SNP voter but he certainly seems to follow the same pattern as most Nationalist, whether Scottish or BREXITers, in not actually addressing or answering any queries or questions and spinning and twisting every piece of information to fit their cause. " You'll be waiting a long time. | |||
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"I'm still waiting for KinkyHnS to answer any of the points raised in this thread or any of the other threads he's either opened or commented on, as he constantly promises to do but never actually does. I don't know if he is a caricature of an SNP voter but he certainly seems to follow the same pattern as most Nationalist, whether Scottish or BREXITers, in not actually addressing or answering any queries or questions and spinning and twisting every piece of information to fit their cause. " the words "don't hold your breath" springs to mind........... | |||
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