FabSwingers.com forum: Should Overseas Aid be Stopped

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Should the £14 Billion per year spent on Over Seas Aid be temporarily stopped, and spent on Health Service as well as other services which are in financial difficulty right now

Get the UK back up and running, sort out poverty, homeless, illness & the NHS, once all is fixed, go back to contributing into the corruption of overseas aid.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would scrap it full stop fourth with pronto and not temporarily either

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

People with one-dimensional thought processes would, of course, think that way.

Personally, I am happy that Aid is being used as the first line of defence in stopping far-off problems coming much closer to home.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"People with one-dimensional thought processes would, of course, think that way.

Personally, I am happy that Aid is being used as the first line of defence in stopping far-off problems coming much closer to home."

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"People with one-dimensional thought processes would, of course, think that way.

Personally, I am happy that Aid is being used as the first line of defence in stopping far-off problems coming much closer to home."

This and its always been the case that some Aid is 'granted' to countries we are also in the process of sorting trade deals with..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd give it to all those kids living in poverty on council estates in the form of a trust fund for further education and training.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Should the £14 Billion per year spent on Over Seas Aid be temporarily stopped, and spent on Health Service as well as other services which are in financial difficulty right now

Get the UK back up and running, sort out poverty, homeless, illness & the NHS, once all is fixed, go back to contributing into the corruption of overseas aid."

Not scrap all of it as there are some deserving cases but some of it certainly needs to be stopped. Donald Trump has just stopped sending American aid to Palestine and Pakistan. Why should the US pour hundreds of millions of dollars into failed states which are either terrorist by nature or actively harbour terrorists?....and at the same time loathe and hate everything about the USA and other western countries who are very generous in giving them aid. We should follow Donald Trump's lead and stop giving aid to terrorist harbouring countries until they clean up their act. The softly, softly approach of the past few decades has clearly not worked, it's time to take more hard line measures now.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"This and its always been the case that some Aid is 'granted' to countries we are also in the process of sorting trade deals with.."

To be honest I would stop all the 'aid' payments that are really bribes to corrupt government officials and politicians to secure trade (mainly arms sales) deals. Bu I would not cut that from the budget but use it to fund direct aid to populations in need.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Interesting comments, do you consider overseas aid more important than looking after the elderly people of UK, looking after the homeless, UK residents with ill health, ones unable to get operations due to lack of NHS cash, people in work but wholly reliant of food banks, unable to heat homes and the vast growing poverty through out the UK at this moment in time?

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

It is the Hovernments job to make long term planning forecasts to ensure that all of the things you mention are appropriately budgeted for. The fact that they are not adequately funded is a reflection of the piss poor abilities of the incumbents of 10 & 11 Downing Street.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It is the Hovernments job to make long term planning forecasts to ensure that all of the things you mention are appropriately budgeted for. The fact that they are not adequately funded is a reflection of the piss poor abilities of the incumbents of 10 & 11 Downing Street."

Indeed but at the same time piling £14 billion per year into overseas aid along with other countries doing the same for decade after decade, you would think you would see some change

is throwing cash at the problem the answer and does the cash get to the people in need

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Let's be honest overseas aid is another word for bribery.The government expects something back.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"Let's be honest overseas aid is another word for bribery.The government expects something back.

Not all aid Bob, but I do agree with your general point and think it should stop.

As for the argument that the money would be better spent at home. This is only true when the money is misused to pay bribes to the corrupt. When it is used well to aid those in real need in their own homes then it reduces migration and therefore pressures on border security and thus saves more than it costs downstream.

A £ well spent Africa has the same worth as at least £10 in this country.

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By *oyce69Man
over a year ago

Driffield

"Let's be honest overseas aid is another word for bribery.The government expects something back.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

You are assuming that the government can make accurate forecasts of how many people will be here each year. You can't make accurate forecasts of future populations while you have a policy of open door mass immigration. Tony Blair's Labour party found this out from 2004 onwards when he opened the floodgates to the EU. Blair's Labour party forecast in 2004 that around 60,000 Eastern Europeans would come here then in the real event 4 million of them came. Now Blair is back on the news again today pushing for a 2nd referendum again, the British people have not forgotten his legacy of open door mass immigration and the resulting lack of planning and spending, let alone his lies about Iraq. He still hasn't got the message that he is now utterly despised by the British people. Only when you control immigration properly can you forecast more accurately for future spending and we will control immigration better after Brexit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Should the £14 Billion per year spent on Over Seas Aid be temporarily stopped, and spent on Health Service as well as other services which are in financial difficulty right now

Get the UK back up and running, sort out poverty, homeless, illness & the NHS, once all is fixed, go back to contributing into the corruption of overseas aid."

Yes fucking yes Pakistan received 300 million of aid and it has nuclear weapon. India receive aid and has a space program. Ffs.

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By *inkywife1981Couple
over a year ago

A town near you

I always find it peculiar when countries that have space programs and money to spend developing nuclear weapons should receive aid from any country.

Also the stories you read of corrupt officials and governments siphoning the aid for themselves are another reason peeps feel foreign aid should be scrapped.

Surely governments should do more follow ups or forensic accountancy to see how and where the aid is being spent

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

Yes stop it nowwwww

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I guess I would be mighty pissed off if I was working my ass off, paying my taxes but also in desperate need of a HIP replacement and the government tells me "Sorry, you cannot get your hip operation, its been cancelled, however, we will use the tax you pay, to continue overseas aid

yep, I think if I was in that situation I would be mighty pissed off

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By *inkywife1981Couple
over a year ago

A town near you

Forgive my ignorance, but what was the original reason/purpose of foreign aid and how was the amount given to individual countries calculated and are these considerations reviewed periodically

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People with one-dimensional thought processes would, of course, think that way.

Personally, I am happy that Aid is being used as the first line of defence in stopping far-off problems coming much closer to home."

It needs to be directed to the right people/ places though.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"I guess I would be mighty pissed off if I was working my ass off, paying my taxes but also in desperate need of a HIP replacement and the government tells me "Sorry, you cannot get your hip operation, its been cancelled, however, we will use the tax you pay, to continue overseas aid

yep, I think if I was in that situation I would be mighty pissed off"

Why is it the foreign aid contribution that gets singled out?

We spend (and waste) money on all kinds of things that we might personally consider less important than a hip replacement.

Obsessing about foreign aid just sounds like xenophobia to me.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

yep, I think if I was in that situation I would be mighty pissed off

Why is it the foreign aid contribution that gets singled out?

We spend (and waste) money on all kinds of things that we might personally consider less important than a hip replacement.

Obsessing about foreign aid just sounds like xenophobia to me. "

Pssssst; because its the topic of this thread,

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By *igsteve43Man
over a year ago

derby

"This and its always been the case that some Aid is 'granted' to countries we are also in the process of sorting trade deals with..

And our populations not in need?

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

all foreign aid is a very interest phrase...

remember all those hurricanes that ripped up a ton of british overseas territories during the summer....

would have denied those people help?

would you deny those people help it that or any other massive natural diaster happened next week?

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By *ud and BryanCouple
over a year ago

Boston, Lincolnshire

We've been saying for years that Britain should end all overseas aid.

There'll always be people who give money to overseas charities, and that's great, but it should be a CHOICE, we should not have our hard earned money sent abroad when it could help so many more people at home.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Interesting comments, do you consider overseas aid more important than looking after the elderly people of UK, looking after the homeless, UK residents with ill health, ones unable to get operations due to lack of NHS cash, people in work but wholly reliant of food banks, unable to heat homes and the vast growing poverty through out the UK at this moment in time? "

Why not scrap the Barnett Formula instead? That £57bn for Scotland alone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When you ask if over seas aid should be stopped ,

Dose that include northern Ireland ????

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Should the government spend £10m a year on football?

£14m a year is spent on making Wales bilingual, is that a good use of tax payer money?

HS2 is going to be what, £50bn? Is that a good use?

Why do people always seem to single out the foreign aid budget?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People with one-dimensional thought processes would, of course, think that way.

Personally, I am happy that Aid is being used as the first line of defence in stopping far-off problems coming much closer to home."

Agree. Plus not getting dragged into American led wars.

The tories are setting up the nhs to fail, so they can use that as an excuse to privatise the nhs, tbeir weapon of choice being PFIs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Should the government spend £10m a year on football?

£14m a year is spent on making Wales bilingual, is that a good use of tax payer money?

HS2 is going to be what, £50bn? Is that a good use?

Why do people always seem to single out the foreign aid budget?"

True _lcc, plus, instead of selling cluster bombs to the Saudis to bomb Yemeni civilians, we should be sending aid there,

Instead of helping Israel opress Palestinians, we should be sanctioning isreal, not helping them.

Double standards is the hallmark of this fucking country!!

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

Foreign Aid is a fixed % of GDP as far as I recall?? Not sure if the exact number but the amount is going to vary according to performance.

It is incredibly shallow minded to think that by stopping all foreign aid the country will suddenly be able to afford other things instead. For example - what night the ultimate cost be of stopping all foreign Aid to the refugee camps in Jordan and Turkey? The problems in Jordan and Turkey will in the fullness of time arrive on our doorstep and goat ten times as much.

Here’s a thought... Let’s look at the whole issue imaginatively and apply some logic and reasoning. It may well be possible to tweak and amend the overseas aid budget to a degree and maybe even lower the % of gdp - these are reasoned and logical discussions to be had.

What is not reasonable is to regard foreign aid as a black and white, on or off issue. This again is about people trying to apply simple solutions to complex issues because really thinking it through is too much like hard work.

Most of us on this forum experienced a fortunate miracle at birth and happened to be born in a country that is developed and advanced. Millions of kids today regard clean drinking water as a true luxury. Stopping aid to supply food and water to those who are in need because they were unfortunate enough to be born in a drought stricken region or a country torn apart by conflict is really fucking sick.

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By *robertsCouple
over a year ago

Leicestershire

Its a huge YES . It's a question that I all honesty shouldn't need answering if you look at the current state of our NHS when it's on its knees and in huge need of investment . You wouldn't believe that we have intelligent people at the helm and can't see that we need to cut off one supply to fuel another but then again it would take a brace politician to make the judgement.

Same old UK help everyone else in the world and leave your own to rot !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Forgive my ignorance, but what was the original reason/purpose of foreign aid and how was the amount given to individual countries calculated and are these considerations reviewed periodically "
Roughly 40% goes to the UN and other agencies for disaster relief and 60% goes directly to countries.At the moment Pakistan and Afghanistan get the biggest hand out.Most of the aid goes to Africa.We give aid to some of the most corrupt countries and even dictators.

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By *Cocksucker84Man
over a year ago

glasgow

The NHS is not on its knees because of foreign aid though. I'd understand this point if this government wasn't constantly making cuts to public services. There is always money there to keep PMs in power and for maintenance work on royal buildings. While we have the government we have we'll always be told there isn't enough money to help people over here or the elderly when in fact there would be if it was put to use properly. We could stop foreign aid and we'd still be told there wasn't enough money to fund the NHs.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

I want to highlight one recipient of UK AID in the past. The Thai Border Consortium (TBC), they received funds to support food and shelter for 90,000+ Burmese refugees in Thailand. Some of these refugees have been living in bamboo huts in the Thai mountains for 30+ years now. Included in these refugees are WWII veterans who fought with the British during WWII. Do you think those veterans are not worthy, or in need of support from the UK?

Would you want to be the one personally to tell them that food will no longer be provided to them?

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Forgive my ignorance, but what was the original reason/purpose of foreign aid and how was the amount given to individual countries calculated and are these considerations reviewed periodically Roughly 40% goes to the UN and other agencies for disaster relief and 60% goes directly to countries.At the moment Pakistan and Afghanistan get the biggest hand out.Most of the aid goes to Africa.We give aid to some of the most corrupt countries and even dictators."

No bob, it doesn't go directly to countries (national givernments), it goes to organisations working in those countries.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Forgive my ignorance, but what was the original reason/purpose of foreign aid and how was the amount given to individual countries calculated and are these considerations reviewed periodically Roughly 40% goes to the UN and other agencies for disaster relief and 60% goes directly to countries.At the moment Pakistan and Afghanistan get the biggest hand out.Most of the aid goes to Africa.We give aid to some of the most corrupt countries and even dictators.

No bob, it doesn't go directly to countries (national givernments), it goes to organisations working in those countries. "
and it gets siphoned off by corrupt regimes and people like you look the other way.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"I want to highlight one recipient of UK AID in the past. The Thai Border Consortium (TBC), they received funds to support food and shelter for 90,000+ Burmese refugees in Thailand. Some of these refugees have been living in bamboo huts in the Thai mountains for 30+ years now. Included in these refugees are WWII veterans who fought with the British during WWII. Do you think those veterans are not worthy, or in need of support from the UK?

Would you want to be the one personally to tell them that food will no longer be provided to them? "

That maybe a worthy cause so I'll highlight another recipient of UK aid in the past. UK taxpayers money was given to Ethiopia to form an Ethiopian version of the Spice Girls. Do you think this is good use of UK aid money? There are many other completely bonkers examples of UK aid being spent on equally ridiculous things besides Ethiopian Girl bands.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Forgive my ignorance, but what was the original reason/purpose of foreign aid and how was the amount given to individual countries calculated and are these considerations reviewed periodically Roughly 40% goes to the UN and other agencies for disaster relief and 60% goes directly to countries.At the moment Pakistan and Afghanistan get the biggest hand out.Most of the aid goes to Africa.We give aid to some of the most corrupt countries and even dictators.

No bob, it doesn't go directly to countries (national givernments), it goes to organisations working in those countries. and it gets siphoned off by corrupt regimes and people like you look the other way.

So you think there is no oversight of the funds?

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Would you want to be the one personally to tell them that food will no longer be provided to them?

Did you look at the whole project, the rationale and aims, or just the headlines?

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Would you want to be the one personally to tell them that food will no longer be provided to them?

Did you look at the whole project, the rationale and aims, or just the headlines? "

This is the project in question.

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65% of all listeners say the radio show has made them think differently about girls

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Should the £14 Billion per year spent on Over Seas Aid be temporarily stopped, and spent on Health Service as well as other services which are in financial difficulty right now

Get the UK back up and running, sort out poverty, homeless, illness & the NHS, once all is fixed, go back to contributing into the corruption of overseas aid."

The tories want the nhs to fail, so it can be privatised. No amount of diverting of money will help because the tories are deliberately killing off the nhs

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Would you want to be the one personally to tell them that food will no longer be provided to them?

Did you look at the whole project, the rationale and aims, or just the headlines?

This is the project in question.

Yegna: Ethiopia's sound of change

Rooted in Ethiopian culture, Yegna (yen-ya) is a multi-platform culture brand inspiring positive behaviour change for girls in Ethiopia.

Since launching in 2013, Yegna has reached millions of people and is provoking conversations about the positive role girls can play in Ethiopian society.

Find out more about Yegna's impact here.

84% of girl listeners say Yegna has helped them become more confident

76% of girl listeners say Yegna has inspired them to continue their education

65% of all listeners say the radio show has made them think differently about girls

Nothing you've said there has convinced me it was a wise use of UK aid, ridiculous waste of UK taxpayers money in my opinion. I'd much rather that money was spent on disaster relief such as earthquake zones or on digging new Wells for areas in drought. Money spent on Ethiopian girl bands is a frivolous waste of UK money that we can ill afford.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Foreign Aid is a fixed % of GDP as far as I recall?? Not sure if the exact number but the amount is going to vary according to performance.

well said..

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

As long as 84% feel more confident then wtf

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Would you want to be the one personally to tell them that food will no longer be provided to them?

Did you look at the whole project, the rationale and aims, or just the headlines?

This is the project in question.

Yegna: Ethiopia's sound of change

Rooted in Ethiopian culture, Yegna (yen-ya) is a multi-platform culture brand inspiring positive behaviour change for girls in Ethiopia.

Since launching in 2013, Yegna has reached millions of people and is provoking conversations about the positive role girls can play in Ethiopian society.

Find out more about Yegna's impact here.

84% of girl listeners say Yegna has helped them become more confident

76% of girl listeners say Yegna has inspired them to continue their education

65% of all listeners say the radio show has made them think differently about girls

No? 76% of girls increasing their education in a country with massive gender inequality isn't a good outcome?

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

Didn't know it was education aid asif we don't have kids with poor education here

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Didn't know it was education aid asif we don't have kids with poor education here "

Yes, education is a key platform of development aid. What did you think it was spent on

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

Would you want to be the one personally to tell them that food will no longer be provided to them?

Did you look at the whole project, the rationale and aims, or just the headlines?

This is the project in question.

Yegna: Ethiopia's sound of change

Rooted in Ethiopian culture, Yegna (yen-ya) is a multi-platform culture brand inspiring positive behaviour change for girls in Ethiopia.

Since launching in 2013, Yegna has reached millions of people and is provoking conversations about the positive role girls can play in Ethiopian society.

Find out more about Yegna's impact here.

84% of girl listeners say Yegna has helped them become more confident

76% of girl listeners say Yegna has inspired them to continue their education

65% of all listeners say the radio show has made them think differently about girls

Interesting to see the full facts as opposed to the one Line sound byte designed purely to shock.

In a former life I spent years at sea and visited many an shithole and thanked my lucky stars (as well as wondered how) I was lucky enough not to have been born in such places.

I would like foreign aid to be better audited and more effectively spent but I don’t begrudge a single penny going to those who are truly in need purely because of an accident of birth place.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

I would stop most of it probsbly at leat 80% maybe,and help for floods natural disasters etc.

The money would then go to the NHS,police,and the fight against terrorism

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"I would stop most of it probsbly at leat 80% maybe,and help for floods natural disasters etc.

The money would then go to the NHS,police,and the fight against terrorism"

So would you tell the WWII veterans that they can't have anymore food or shelter?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Forgive my ignorance, but what was the original reason/purpose of foreign aid and how was the amount given to individual countries calculated and are these considerations reviewed periodically Roughly 40% goes to the UN and other agencies for disaster relief and 60% goes directly to countries.At the moment Pakistan and Afghanistan get the biggest hand out.Most of the aid goes to Africa.We give aid to some of the most corrupt countries and even dictators.

So you think there is no oversight of the funds?"
Multilateral aid is that given to organisations such as the United Nations which then determine how it will be spent. Not us!

Bilateral aid is money allocated to a specific country or programme either directly or through a multilateral organisations. The donor country decides how this money is spent!.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Forgive my ignorance, but what was the original reason/purpose of foreign aid and how was the amount given to individual countries calculated and are these considerations reviewed periodically Roughly 40% goes to the UN and other agencies for disaster relief and 60% goes directly to countries.At the moment Pakistan and Afghanistan get the biggest hand out.Most of the aid goes to Africa.We give aid to some of the most corrupt countries and even dictators.

So you think there is no oversight of the funds? Multilateral aid is that given to organisations such as the United Nations which then determine how it will be spent. Not us!

Bilateral aid is money allocated to a specific country or programme either directly or through a multilateral organisations. The donor country decides how this money is spent!.

You honestly believe DfID doesn't chose the projects it funds?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Forgive my ignorance, but what was the original reason/purpose of foreign aid and how was the amount given to individual countries calculated and are these considerations reviewed periodically Roughly 40% goes to the UN and other agencies for disaster relief and 60% goes directly to countries.At the moment Pakistan and Afghanistan get the biggest hand out.Most of the aid goes to Africa.We give aid to some of the most corrupt countries and even dictators.

So you think there is no oversight of the funds? Multilateral aid is that given to organisations such as the United Nations which then determine how it will be spent. Not us!

Bilateral aid is money allocated to a specific country or programme either directly or through a multilateral organisations. The donor country decides how this money is spent!.

You honestly believe DfID doesn't chose the projects it funds?

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DfID has little say over how that money is distributed. Boris pointed this out a few days ago and said."Brexit will allow us to distribute money in line with British foreign policy in a sensible way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I would stop most of it probsbly at leat 80% maybe,and help for floods natural disasters etc.

The money would then go to the NHS,police,and the fight against terrorism

So would you tell the WWII veterans that they can't have anymore food or shelter? "
You need to put the violin down ...

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Forgive my ignorance, but what was the original reason/purpose of foreign aid and how was the amount given to individual countries calculated and are these considerations reviewed periodically Roughly 40% goes to the UN and other agencies for disaster relief and 60% goes directly to countries.At the moment Pakistan and Afghanistan get the biggest hand out.Most of the aid goes to Africa.We give aid to some of the most corrupt countries and even dictators.

So you think there is no oversight of the funds? Multilateral aid is that given to organisations such as the United Nations which then determine how it will be spent. Not us!

Bilateral aid is money allocated to a specific country or programme either directly or through a multilateral organisations. The donor country decides how this money is spent!.

You honestly believe DfID doesn't chose the projects it funds?

DfID has little say over how that money is distributed. Boris pointed this out a few days ago and said."Brexit will allow us to distribute money in line with British foreign policy in a sensible way.

You are very very uninformed on this subject.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Forgive my ignorance, but what was the original reason/purpose of foreign aid and how was the amount given to individual countries calculated and are these considerations reviewed periodically Roughly 40% goes to the UN and other agencies for disaster relief and 60% goes directly to countries.At the moment Pakistan and Afghanistan get the biggest hand out.Most of the aid goes to Africa.We give aid to some of the most corrupt countries and even dictators.

So you think there is no oversight of the funds? Multilateral aid is that given to organisations such as the United Nations which then determine how it will be spent. Not us!

Bilateral aid is money allocated to a specific country or programme either directly or through a multilateral organisations. The donor country decides how this money is spent!.

You honestly believe DfID doesn't chose the projects it funds?

DfID has little say over how that money is distributed. Boris pointed this out a few days ago and said."Brexit will allow us to distribute money in line with British foreign policy in a sensible way.

You are very very uninformed on this subject.

This is what makes me despair, those who know the least about how our foreign aid system works are the most vocal about scrapping it. We already can, and do distribute aid in line with British foreign policy. "
Dam your hubris knows no limits.I can see your knowledge of foreign aid is equal to your biblical knowledge.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"I would stop most of it probsbly at leat 80% maybe,and help for floods natural disasters etc.

The money would then go to the NHS,police,and the fight against terrorism

So would you tell the WWII veterans that they can't have anymore food or shelter? You need to put the violin down ...

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Forgive my ignorance, but what was the original reason/purpose of foreign aid and how was the amount given to individual countries calculated and are these considerations reviewed periodically Roughly 40% goes to the UN and other agencies for disaster relief and 60% goes directly to countries.At the moment Pakistan and Afghanistan get the biggest hand out.Most of the aid goes to Africa.We give aid to some of the most corrupt countries and even dictators.

So you think there is no oversight of the funds? Multilateral aid is that given to organisations such as the United Nations which then determine how it will be spent. Not us!

Bilateral aid is money allocated to a specific country or programme either directly or through a multilateral organisations. The donor country decides how this money is spent!.

You honestly believe DfID doesn't chose the projects it funds?

DfID has little say over how that money is distributed. Boris pointed this out a few days ago and said."Brexit will allow us to distribute money in line with British foreign policy in a sensible way.

You are very very uninformed on this subject.

This is what makes me despair, those who know the least about how our foreign aid system works are the most vocal about scrapping it. We already can, and do distribute aid in line with British foreign policy. Dam your hubris knows no limits.I can see your knowledge of foreign aid is equal to your biblical knowledge."

*Damn

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Should the £14 Billion per year spent on Over Seas Aid be temporarily stopped, and spent on Health Service as well as other services which are in financial difficulty right now

Get the UK back up and running, sort out poverty, homeless, illness & the NHS, once all is fixed, go back to contributing into the corruption of overseas aid."
It seems a very practical solution to an extremely difficult task which any future government will face re long term funding of the health service .

Overseas aid should be on a voluntary basis by individuals and not as a fixed percentage of government expenditure. I prefer to choose those charities to which I donate money ..

Anyone wishing to help those overseas has a variety of charities to which they can donate such as Christian Aid and Oxfam. The government will even top up your donation if it is done by convenant.

Where countries are deemed to be worthy of assistance publicity campaigns should be launched in the UK to encourage donations on a voluntary basis .

Under the current system most of us do not even know where our foreign aid budget goes .

Think how much better the system would be if all foreign aid was scrapped and we concentrated on raising funds on a voluntary basis . Each individual would then decide which foreign aid charities that they wished to support and more to the point we would have accountability as to where the money went .

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By *igersfan74Man
over a year ago

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By *igersfan74Man
over a year ago

All over

No!!!. Reparations for British colonialism in the past.

Its the least that can be done for the long long-lasting damage done by the British empire..

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over a year ago

As a "rich" nation in comparison to many, surely we have a moral duty to help others not so well off?

Having said that, there should be checks and balanced in place to ensure value for money is achieved. Corruption etc needs to be reduced considerably and more transparent.

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over a year ago

"Should the £14 Billion per year spent on Over Seas Aid be temporarily stopped, and spent on Health Service as well as other services which are in financial difficulty right now

Get the UK back up and running, sort out poverty, homeless, illness & the NHS, once all is fixed, go back to contributing into the corruption of overseas aid."

But were going to get and extra 350 million per week when we leave the EU right for the NHS

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"all foreign aid is a very interest phrase...

remember all those hurricanes that ripped up a ton of british overseas territories during the summer....

would have denied those people help?

would you deny those people help it that or any other massive natural diaster happened next week?"

You will also remember that the EU turned down helping these same overseas territories

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over a year ago

"As a "rich" nation in comparison to many, surely we have a moral duty to help others not so well off?

Having said that, there should be checks and balanced in place to ensure value for money is achieved. Corruption etc needs to be reduced considerably and more transparent. "

If we are such a rich nation why has "England" stopped all non essential operations, why are there so many homeless of the streets, why are there so many foodbanks for working people, why is the NHS in ruin

perhaps charity should begin at home because no other country in the World is going to help us or help the NHS, but still people come from overseas to use our NHS

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over a year ago

"As a "rich" nation in comparison to many, surely we have a moral duty to help others not so well off?

Having said that, there should be checks and balanced in place to ensure value for money is achieved. Corruption etc needs to be reduced considerably and more transparent.

perhaps charity should begin at home because no other country in the World is going to help us or help the NHS, but still people come from overseas to use our NHS"

Well how am I not suprised at your response!

We only have ourselves to blame because of our "I'm all right" attitude. If everyone paid their fair share of tax etc ( including the likes of Amazon etc) there would be enough in the pot to ensure the UK doesn't have the NHS crisis, food banks people sleeping rough. Government's of every colour have just not done enough for the last 40 years - that's where your problems are.

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over a year ago

"all foreign aid is a very interest phrase...

remember all those hurricanes that ripped up a ton of british overseas territories during the summer....

would have denied those people help?

would you deny those people help it that or any other massive natural diaster happened next week?

You will also remember that the EU turned down helping these same overseas territories

"
Apparently those Carribbean islands devastated aren't poor enough.So we couldn't use any of £13 billion in the pot.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"Should the £14 Billion per year spent on Over Seas Aid be temporarily stopped, and spent on Health Service as well as other services which are in financial difficulty right now

Get the UK back up and running, sort out poverty, homeless, illness & the NHS, once all is fixed, go back to contributing into the corruption of overseas aid.

But were going to get and extra 350 million per week when we leave the EU right for the NHS

"
wow you never go a day with out bringing up the 350 million change the fucking record ffs

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"all foreign aid is a very interest phrase...

remember all those hurricanes that ripped up a ton of british overseas territories during the summer....

would have denied those people help?

would you deny those people help it that or any other massive natural diaster happened next week?

You will also remember that the EU turned down helping these same overseas territories

Apparently those Carribbean islands devastated aren't poor enough.So we couldn't use any of £13 billion in the pot."

You think we didn't help? We had over 2,000 military personnel deployed, the largest deployment anywhere in the world, our largest ship, the RN flagship, HMS Ocean deployed, so did RFA Mounts Bay, more than £60m was spent by DfID, DfID deployed personnel as well, as did the FCO, more than 135 tonnes of aid delivered, 15 helicopters, strategic airlift capability etc etc. And you think we didn't help?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"all foreign aid is a very interest phrase...

remember all those hurricanes that ripped up a ton of british overseas territories during the summer....

would have denied those people help?

would you deny those people help it that or any other massive natural diaster happened next week?

You will also remember that the EU turned down helping these same overseas territories

Apparently those Carribbean islands devastated aren't poor enough.So we couldn't use any of £13 billion in the pot.

"
Don't be daft of course we helped we just couldn't use the overseas aid money for disaster relief.Your comprehension is as bad as my spelling and grammar.

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over a year ago

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"all foreign aid is a very interest phrase...

remember all those hurricanes that ripped up a ton of british overseas territories during the summer....

would have denied those people help?

would you deny those people help it that or any other massive natural diaster happened next week?

You will also remember that the EU turned down helping these same overseas territories

Apparently those Carribbean islands devastated aren't poor enough.So we couldn't use any of £13 billion in the pot.

Don't be daft of course we helped we just couldn't use the overseas aid money for disaster relief.Your comprehension is as bad as my spelling and grammar.

They got £60m from DfID, disaster relief is not the save as development, maybe thats where your confusion is coming from?

So if we sent 2,000 personnel, at least 2 ships, 15 helicopters, 1 strategic airlift, 135 tonnes of aid, personnel from FCO & DfID, and £60m and you think that wasn’t enough, what do you think we should have sent & spent? What resources did your strategic needs assessment suggest was needed?

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over a year ago

"all foreign aid is a very interest phrase...

remember all those hurricanes that ripped up a ton of british overseas territories during the summer....

would have denied those people help?

would you deny those people help it that or any other massive natural diaster happened next week?

You will also remember that the EU turned down helping these same overseas territories

Apparently those Carribbean islands devastated aren't poor enough.So we couldn't use any of £13 billion in the pot.

Don't be daft of course we helped we just couldn't use the overseas aid money for disaster relief.Your comprehension is as bad as my spelling and grammar.

They got £60m from DfID, disaster relief is not the save as development, maybe thats where your confusion is coming from?

We couldn't use the 13 billion for our own overseas territories,it's that simple.Now we are off on another tangent of endless rhetorical questions.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"all foreign aid is a very interest phrase...

remember all those hurricanes that ripped up a ton of british overseas territories during the summer....

would have denied those people help?

would you deny those people help it that or any other massive natural diaster happened next week?

You will also remember that the EU turned down helping these same overseas territories

Apparently those Carribbean islands devastated aren't poor enough.So we couldn't use any of £13 billion in the pot.

Don't be daft of course we helped we just couldn't use the overseas aid money for disaster relief.Your comprehension is as bad as my spelling and grammar.

They got £60m from DfID, disaster relief is not the save as development, maybe thats where your confusion is coming from?

We couldn't use the 13 billion for our own overseas territories,it's that simple.Now we are off on another tangent of endless rhetorical questions.

What about the £60m from DfID then? Doesn't that count?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Should the £14 Billion per year spent on Over Seas Aid be temporarily stopped, and spent on Health Service as well as other services which are in financial difficulty right now

Get the UK back up and running, sort out poverty, homeless, illness & the NHS, once all is fixed, go back to contributing into the corruption of overseas aid.

But were going to get and extra 350 million per week when we leave the EU right for the NHS

wow you never go a day with out bringing up the 350 million change the fucking record ffs "

Im taking it your one of the fools to be taken in by it....but we do have a spare 350 il after we leave right ?

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

I love it when I see people itemising costs and adding the cost of any military deployment to that figure (as with the princes using a navigation training flight to go visit family years ago). I always wonder what drives these people, do they think that if the troops are not deployed suddenly we stop paying them? Or maybe they think that the ships engines only burn fuel when being used for something they object to? Or in the case of the princes helicopter trip that somehow it is cheaper for a helicopter to fly a pointless made up navigation route of say 200 miles landing at some unfamiliar point and return to base than to fly some 200 miles to a specific destination land in a place never used for landing before spend a few hours (or weekend) with family and then fly back to base...

Seems to me that too many people spend too much time demanding that stuff be taken away from others because it is too expensive. Of course the truth is those that demand cuts have been getting what they want for 40 years now, and every time they demand cuts the reason is the same, there is not enough to supply their needs, and every time there are cuts there is less to fund our needs so the same lot are out demanding even more cuts! Because the way to improve things is to cut...

Anyone else spot false logic at work here? Anyone else notice that demanding cuts to deploying military on grounds of expense is in reality demanding cuts to the military. After all the only way to save the cost of 2000 troops and 2 ships being used for disaster aid is to sack 2000 troops and scrap 2 ships.

So next time you are bitching about the cost of deploying troops and ships remember what you are really bitching about is having those troops and ships!

In fact everyone, do me a favour, stop using the military to prove points. And stop using 'notional' costs to back up those points. All you do is give the cutters more cutting targets, and they don't need help finding things to cut!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Go away and read dead aid by dambiso moyo!. It's a very enlightening read

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over a year ago

Or keep pretending your above others with 1 dimensional enlightenment

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over a year ago

"Should the £14 Billion per year spent on Over Seas Aid be temporarily stopped, and spent on Health Service as well as other services which are in financial difficulty right now

Get the UK back up and running, sort out poverty, homeless, illness & the NHS, once all is fixed, go back to contributing into the corruption of overseas aid."

No.

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over a year ago

"Should the £14 Billion per year spent on Over Seas Aid be temporarily stopped, and spent on Health Service as well as other services which are in financial difficulty right now

Get the UK back up and running, sort out poverty, homeless, illness & the NHS, once all is fixed, go back to contributing into the corruption of overseas aid.

Donald Trump is a halfwit that doesn't understand the first fucking thing about anything beyond grifting and failing at business.

Citing him as an example is folly.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"Donald Trump is a halfwit that doesn't understand the first fucking thing about anything beyond grifting and failing at business.

Citing him as an example is folly."

The only halfwits are those who think Trump is dumb.

A man who has managed to spend 45 years openly laundering money for both the US and Russian mafia, boasts that he never settles law suits, boasts that he can sexually assault any women that enter his sphere of influence, could shoot someone dead outside trump tower and get away with it, has bankrupted 6 corporations destroying some 200000 american jobs to turn himself from a millionaire to a billionaire, has been convicted of corporate money laundering and defaulted on multiple bank loans over decades, and not only has never been jailed but managed to get himself elected to the most powerful office in the US is not dumb. However he is very good at pretending to be dumb, that is not the same as being dumb.

Also remember that it has taken him less than a year to get Congress to give him and his mates some $2 trillion over the next 10 years.

The man is a master crook and confidence trickster, mot a buffoon and halfwit.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

What as trump got to do with our overseas aid tho it's not about trump ?

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over a year ago

"Donald Trump is a halfwit that doesn't understand the first fucking thing about anything beyond grifting and failing at business.

Citing him as an example is folly.

The only halfwits are those who think Trump is dumb.

Also remember that it has taken him less than a year to get Congress to give him and his mates some $2 trillion over the next 10 years.

The man is a master crook and confidence trickster, mot a buffoon and halfwit."

No, he's an idiot. There's a reason that there's a constant stream of reports about people who are supposed to be his allies calling him exactly that.

That he's leveraged his insane amount of privilege to avoid the consequences of his stupid actions doesn't make him smart. That republicans have used their majorities in both houses to finally pass *something* doesn't make him smart either (Trump didn't write a single word of that abortion of a tax plan)

I can understand wanting to believe that this halfwit is actually playing 4D chess, but all evidence points to the more sobering conclusion. The yanks elected an honest to god moron in a fit of pique, and he's criminally ill equipped for the role he's found himself in.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"No, he's an idiot. There's a reason that there's a constant stream of reports about people who are supposed to be his allies calling him exactly that.

"
So lets see if I have this right...

He is an idiot...

The proof he is an idiot is:

He has used his position to make himself a billionaire...

And he has not written a single word of the tax bill that gives him and his family hundreds of millions if not billions...

I think there are a lot of idiots here, but I an certain Teflon Donny is not one of them...

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over a year ago

"No, he's an idiot. There's a reason that there's a constant stream of reports about people who are supposed to be his allies calling him exactly that.

So lets see if I have this right...

He is an idiot...

The proof he is an idiot is:

He has used his position to make himself a billionaire...

And he has not written a single word of the tax bill that gives him and his family hundreds of millions if not billions...

I think there are a lot of idiots here, but I an certain Teflon Donny is not one of them..."

Seeing as was given millions to begin with from his father, and would have been better off just leaving them in a bank, given his performance in the world of business, and certainly isn't a billionaire by any reckoning other than his own

And that republicans have created and passed a tax bill that fellates the rich is something that they would and have done without Trump. They've been doing it for decades. Assigning credit to Trump for that is, however, classic Trump. Take someone else's work and slap his name all over it.

And, apparently, it still works on some people.

He's an idiot who would be homeless if it wasn't for the circumstances of his birth.

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over a year ago

We can afford to help others and to help those in this country to.

This place is turning into a third world country..You all wanted your shares in gas/water/the banks etc etc etc..even though we all have ended up with sky high bills!

You all wanted to buy your council houses for far below the going rate and leave the next generation with hardly any low cost housing!

You all get in line to buy your new phones, your coffee, buy your goods from that well know site even though you know they dont pay there taxes.

But who fucking cares so long as YOU get it and fuck the next generation!

We all can see who does not pay there far share of taxes, but nothing is ever done!

Sure you put your hands in the air and shout how this is not right..the next day your off buying the latest phone while sipping your coffee and waiting for those goods to arrive you ordered that is on its way to your council house you got for next to nothing!!!

Look inwards all you people that own second homes and charge sky high rent to the less well off in our land!

WE CAN AFFORD TO LOOK AFTER OTHERS AS WELL AS OUR SELFS!

If your rich pay your taxes..If Captains of industry can afford to pay more tax charge them more!

But quess what who cares about others..i got my new phone my cheap house my shares my fucking coffee..who cares!

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

It is strange...

Regardless of the subject, or a persons position on that subject, it seems to me that the vast majority of people can ignore documented fact or find ways to explain away anything that does not fit with their views and conceptions and preconceptions.

Me I like to accept the evidence rather than the rhetoric that is produced to distract from that evidence.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

We can afford to help others and to help those in this country to.

This place is turning into a third world country..You all wanted your shares in gas/water/the banks etc etc etc..even though we all have ended up with sky high bills!

You all wanted to buy your council houses for far below the going rate and leave the next generation with hardly any low cost housing!

You all get in line to buy your new phones, your coffee, buy your goods from that well know site even though you know they dont pay there taxes.

But who fucking cares so long as YOU get it and fuck the next generation!

We all can see who does not pay there far share of taxes, but nothing is ever done!

Look inwards all you people that own second homes and charge sky high rent to the less well off in our land!

WE CAN AFFORD TO LOOK AFTER OTHERS AS WELL AS OUR SELFS!

If your rich pay your taxes..If Captains of industry can afford to pay more tax charge them more!

But quess what who cares about others..i got my new phone my cheap house my shares my fucking coffee..who cares!"

Someone gets it!

most are so busy grubbing around for pennies that they fail to notice that the top 1% of 1% are stealing billions every year...

But I must have Starbucks latte and fuck the fact they actually charge the taxman (thats us) to move millions or is it billions in profits out of this country without paying a penny in tax. But the corporate world needs its double irish with a dutch sandwich.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"all foreign aid is a very interest phrase...

remember all those hurricanes that ripped up a ton of british overseas territories during the summer....

would have denied those people help?

would you deny those people help it that or any other massive natural diaster happened next week?

You will also remember that the EU turned down helping these same overseas territories

Apparently those Carribbean islands devastated aren't poor enough.So we couldn't use any of £13 billion in the pot.

Don't be daft of course we helped we just couldn't use the overseas aid money for disaster relief.Your comprehension is as bad as my spelling and grammar.

They got £60m from DfID, disaster relief is not the save as development, maybe thats where your confusion is coming from?

We couldn't use the 13 billion for our own overseas territories,it's that simple.Now we are off on another tangent of endless rhetorical questions.

Give UP Bob, CLCC has buried her head again (in sand)

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Donald Trump is a halfwit that doesn't understand the first fucking thing about anything beyond grifting and failing at business.

Citing him as an example is folly.

The only halfwits are those who think Trump is dumb.

Also remember that it has taken him less than a year to get Congress to give him and his mates some $2 trillion over the next 10 years.

The man is a master crook and confidence trickster, mot a buffoon and halfwit."

But, but, Will

all the press and news reporters tell us he IS a halfwit and buffoon

should we all not be like Demon John and believe what the papers and reporters are saying

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We can afford to help others and to help those in this country to.

This place is turning into a third world country..You all wanted your shares in gas/water/the banks etc etc etc..even though we all have ended up with sky high bills!

You all wanted to buy your council houses for far below the going rate and leave the next generation with hardly any low cost housing!

You all get in line to buy your new phones, your coffee, buy your goods from that well know site even though you know they dont pay there taxes.

But who fucking cares so long as YOU get it and fuck the next generation!

We all can see who does not pay there far share of taxes, but nothing is ever done!

Look inwards all you people that own second homes and charge sky high rent to the less well off in our land!

WE CAN AFFORD TO LOOK AFTER OTHERS AS WELL AS OUR SELFS!

If your rich pay your taxes..If Captains of industry can afford to pay more tax charge them more!

But quess what who cares about others..i got my new phone my cheap house my shares my fucking coffee..who cares!

Someone gets it!

most are so busy grubbing around for pennies that they fail to notice that the top 1% of 1% are stealing billions every year...

If you like Starbucks you literally deserve every bit of this wretched darkest timeline.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

If you like Starbucks you literally deserve every bit of this wretched darkest timeline."

I avoid all multinational brands wherever possible and never buy coffee or anything else from corporate outlets (starbucks or otherwise).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Instead of getting angry over us helping the worlds poorest, why don't we get angry that the super rich are fucking us more than anyone on here and literally sucking the life out of the world and hiding it in their off shore accounts. Seems that's the main reason we're facing so many problems, not us helping those who need it.

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By *uxinteriorMan
over a year ago

south west , continental

World poverty can be cured overnight. There's a few billionaires out there that can do it in an instant.

The reason they don't is the billionaires are already involved in the equation by running the companies that the aid money buys to improve the poverty stricken sesspits. It's all a game, we have all been swindled.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We can afford to help others and to help those in this country to.

This place is turning into a third world country..You all wanted your shares in gas/water/the banks etc etc etc..even though we all have ended up with sky high bills!

You all wanted to buy your council houses for far below the going rate and leave the next generation with hardly any low cost housing!

You all get in line to buy your new phones, your coffee, buy your goods from that well know site even though you know they dont pay there taxes.

But who fucking cares so long as YOU get it and fuck the next generation!

We all can see who does not pay there far share of taxes, but nothing is ever done!

Look inwards all you people that own second homes and charge sky high rent to the less well off in our land!

WE CAN AFFORD TO LOOK AFTER OTHERS AS WELL AS OUR SELFS!

If your rich pay your taxes..If Captains of industry can afford to pay more tax charge them more!

But quess what who cares about others..i got my new phone my cheap house my shares my fucking coffee..who cares!

Someone gets it!

most are so busy grubbing around for pennies that they fail to notice that the top 1% of 1% are stealing billions every year...

If you like Starbucks you literally deserve every bit of this wretched darkest timeline."
We all turn a blind eye to it.We buy primark.We are all happy to buy cheap knowing 8 year olds slave away in factories out of sight.Or down mines for rare earth minerals our phones require. .Not one person in the West is absolved of crimes against the slaves that prop you up.Suck it up it's whats required for you be on top.The billionaires facilitate your needs and desires and wants . Fuck blaming them blame us.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

We can afford to help others and to help those in this country to.

This place is turning into a third world country..You all wanted your shares in gas/water/the banks etc etc etc..even though we all have ended up with sky high bills!

You all wanted to buy your council houses for far below the going rate and leave the next generation with hardly any low cost housing!

You all get in line to buy your new phones, your coffee, buy your goods from that well know site even though you know they dont pay there taxes.

But who fucking cares so long as YOU get it and fuck the next generation!

We all can see who does not pay there far share of taxes, but nothing is ever done!

Look inwards all you people that own second homes and charge sky high rent to the less well off in our land!

WE CAN AFFORD TO LOOK AFTER OTHERS AS WELL AS OUR SELFS!

If your rich pay your taxes..If Captains of industry can afford to pay more tax charge them more!

But quess what who cares about others..i got my new phone my cheap house my shares my fucking coffee..who cares!

Someone gets it!

most are so busy grubbing around for pennies that they fail to notice that the top 1% of 1% are stealing billions every year...

If you like Starbucks you literally deserve every bit of this wretched darkest timeline. We all turn a blind eye to it.We buy primark.We are all happy to buy cheap knowing 8 year olds slave away in factories out of sight.Or down mines for rare earth minerals our phones require. .Not one person in the West is absolved of crimes against the slaves that prop you up.Suck it up it's whats required for you be on top.The billionaires facilitate your needs and desires and wants . Fuck blaming them blame us.

And you still want to make them poorer.

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over a year ago

We can afford to help others and to help those in this country to.

This place is turning into a third world country..You all wanted your shares in gas/water/the banks etc etc etc..even though we all have ended up with sky high bills!

You all wanted to buy your council houses for far below the going rate and leave the next generation with hardly any low cost housing!

You all get in line to buy your new phones, your coffee, buy your goods from that well know site even though you know they dont pay there taxes.

But who fucking cares so long as YOU get it and fuck the next generation!

We all can see who does not pay there far share of taxes, but nothing is ever done!

Look inwards all you people that own second homes and charge sky high rent to the less well off in our land!

WE CAN AFFORD TO LOOK AFTER OTHERS AS WELL AS OUR SELFS!

If your rich pay your taxes..If Captains of industry can afford to pay more tax charge them more!

But quess what who cares about others..i got my new phone my cheap house my shares my fucking coffee..who cares!

Someone gets it!

most are so busy grubbing around for pennies that they fail to notice that the top 1% of 1% are stealing billions every year...

And you still want to make them poorer. "
No you do by funding corrupt governments and propping up dictators and undermining local economies.

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over a year ago

We can afford to help others and to help those in this country to.

This place is turning into a third world country..You all wanted your shares in gas/water/the banks etc etc etc..even though we all have ended up with sky high bills!

You all wanted to buy your council houses for far below the going rate and leave the next generation with hardly any low cost housing!

You all get in line to buy your new phones, your coffee, buy your goods from that well know site even though you know they dont pay there taxes.

But who fucking cares so long as YOU get it and fuck the next generation!

We all can see who does not pay there far share of taxes, but nothing is ever done!

Look inwards all you people that own second homes and charge sky high rent to the less well off in our land!

WE CAN AFFORD TO LOOK AFTER OTHERS AS WELL AS OUR SELFS!

If your rich pay your taxes..If Captains of industry can afford to pay more tax charge them more!

But quess what who cares about others..i got my new phone my cheap house my shares my fucking coffee..who cares!

Someone gets it!

most are so busy grubbing around for pennies that they fail to notice that the top 1% of 1% are stealing billions every year...

I just meant that their coffee is awful, but sure, that too.

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over a year ago

We can afford to help others and to help those in this country to.

This place is turning into a third world country..You all wanted your shares in gas/water/the banks etc etc etc..even though we all have ended up with sky high bills!

You all wanted to buy your council houses for far below the going rate and leave the next generation with hardly any low cost housing!

You all get in line to buy your new phones, your coffee, buy your goods from that well know site even though you know they dont pay there taxes.

But who fucking cares so long as YOU get it and fuck the next generation!

We all can see who does not pay there far share of taxes, but nothing is ever done!

Look inwards all you people that own second homes and charge sky high rent to the less well off in our land!

WE CAN AFFORD TO LOOK AFTER OTHERS AS WELL AS OUR SELFS!

If your rich pay your taxes..If Captains of industry can afford to pay more tax charge them more!

But quess what who cares about others..i got my new phone my cheap house my shares my fucking coffee..who cares!

Someone gets it!

most are so busy grubbing around for pennies that they fail to notice that the top 1% of 1% are stealing billions every year...

I just meant that their coffee is awful, but sure, that too. "

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

We can afford to help others and to help those in this country to.

This place is turning into a third world country..You all wanted your shares in gas/water/the banks etc etc etc..even though we all have ended up with sky high bills!

You all wanted to buy your council houses for far below the going rate and leave the next generation with hardly any low cost housing!

You all get in line to buy your new phones, your coffee, buy your goods from that well know site even though you know they dont pay there taxes.

But who fucking cares so long as YOU get it and fuck the next generation!

We all can see who does not pay there far share of taxes, but nothing is ever done!

Look inwards all you people that own second homes and charge sky high rent to the less well off in our land!

WE CAN AFFORD TO LOOK AFTER OTHERS AS WELL AS OUR SELFS!

If your rich pay your taxes..If Captains of industry can afford to pay more tax charge them more!

But quess what who cares about others..i got my new phone my cheap house my shares my fucking coffee..who cares!

Someone gets it!

most are so busy grubbing around for pennies that they fail to notice that the top 1% of 1% are stealing billions every year...

And you still want to make them poorer. No you do by funding corrupt governments and propping up dictators and undermining local economies.

Bob, look at the website, and who is able to apply for bids. You will see that the aid isn't given to other governments to distrubute.

https://www.gov.uk/international-development-funding?keywords=

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex

"Should the £14 Billion per year spent on Over Seas Aid be temporarily stopped, and spent on Health Service as well as other services which are in financial difficulty right now

Get the UK back up and running, sort out poverty, homeless, illness & the NHS, once all is fixed, go back to contributing into the corruption of overseas aid.

As a sensible rule of thumb, Id suggest that NEVER following anything the orange haired, tiny handed fuckwit Trump does is the way ahead.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"As a sensible rule of thumb, Id suggest that NEVER following anything the orange haired, tiny handed fuckwit Trump does is the way ahead.

Although I understand your disgust for Trump, rejecting all he says and does without critical examination is to do exactly what Trump does and that is not good. After all even a broken clock is right twice a day.

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over a year ago

"As a sensible rule of thumb, Id suggest that NEVER following anything the orange haired, tiny handed fuckwit Trump does is the way ahead.

Well, if he's as rich as he says, he can go get himself 720 clocks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd like to ask the "pro aid" side a question.... What is it you think aid will achieve?.

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

Help alleviate suffering.

And as a bonus, it aggravates awful people with shit opinions.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"I'd like to ask the "pro aid" side a question.... What is it you think aid will achieve?."

That rather depends...

For the most part nothing, because the money is badly spent or is used to subsidise arms sales.

Sometimes, not so much in that although its spending is well intentioned those intentions are misplaced.

But in some cases the money is well spent on positive programs that improve the lives and futures of those receiving the aid and in so doing generate long term good will to us and reduce the number of economic migrants attempting to enter this country.

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By *ilent.KnightMan
over a year ago

Swindon

"I'd like to ask the "pro aid" side a question.... What is it you think aid will achieve?."
replace aid with charity. Or aid with benefits.

In my mind (and I haven’t read this thread) it should be a redistribution of wealth to make the world a better place. It just happens to be the money crosses a legal border, rather than a city border, or a social class border.

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over a year ago

Because since 1970 GDP per capita in Africa has fallen in real terms despite a trillion dollars of aid, life expectancy has fallen despite a trillion dollars in aid, famines have increased despite a trillion dollars in aid.

Whatever you think it's doing, the reality is it's doing the opposite and benefiting the wealthy and corporations the most!

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over a year ago

"I'd like to ask the "pro aid" side a question.... What is it you think aid will achieve?.replace aid with charity. Or aid with benefits.

Redistribution is exactly what aid is! And it doesn't work, not only doesn't it work, it makes the place worse.

No rational person could argue that economically speaking Africa has done anything but decline while recieving massive amounts of aid, every time we increase it, it gets worse and those voices say... Were not giving enough, we need to give more and yet the reality is it declines further!

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over a year ago

Have a good examination of why two halves of the same island like Haiti and the Dominican republic have better standards of life for their citizens.

What separates these two countries despite living on the same island

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By *ilent.KnightMan
over a year ago

Swindon

"Because since 1970 GDP per capita in Africa has fallen in real terms despite a trillion dollars of aid, life expectancy has fallen despite a trillion dollars in aid, famines have increased despite a trillion dollars in aid.

Whatever you think it's doing, the reality is it's doing the opposite and benefiting the wealthy and corporations the most!"
can you source me up on gap falling. ? I went to look and the top website with a graph failed to show this.

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over a year ago

Treating Africa as a homogeneous whole is your first mistake.

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over a year ago

The west's approach of throwing billions yearly to Africa hasn't worked.China however has benefited Africa they've built the infrastructure Africa needs and China needs to extract resources.They don't have the same moral position we have on human rights etc.They have invested in long term projects not short term aid.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"I'd like to ask the "pro aid" side a question.... What is it you think aid will achieve?."

DfID states it's aims with each grant, have you looked at the grants currently available? I posted the link above.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"The west's approach of throwing billions yearly to Africa hasn't worked.China however has benefited Africa they've built the infrastructure Africa needs and China needs to extract resources.They don't have the same moral position we have on human rights etc.They have invested in long term projects not short term aid."

Are you trying to argue that Chinese mineral extraction in Africa is less corrupt than DfID giving money to UK based aid charities working with some of the poorest communities in Africa?

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over a year ago

Whatever you think it's doing, the reality is it's doing the opposite and benefiting the wealthy and corporations the most!can you source me up on gap falling. ? I went to look and the top website with a graph failed to show this. "
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Dead aid by dambisa moyo

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By *ilent.KnightMan
over a year ago

Swindon

Dead aid by dambisa moyo"
thx. Will have to read this. Although an interview suggests it’s the type of aid rather than aid itself ... I can buy this. If true, my view is we need to change our foreign aid policy not reduce it.

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over a year ago

Are you trying to argue that Chinese mineral extraction in Africa is less corrupt than DfID giving money to UK based aid charities working with some of the poorest communities in Africa?

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less corrupt yes but more importantly it gives the everyday person something, it gives them a road or electricity or a bridge, something to improve their lifes but more importantly to give them economic prosperity, aid does the opposite, it stops economic activity and promotes dictators and warlords.

Governments need voters taxs when you don't have to worry about getting taxs you can treat the electorate shittly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Dead aid by dambisa moyothx. Will have to read this. Although an interview suggests it’s the type of aid rather than aid itself ... I can buy this. If true, my view is we need to change our foreign aid policy not reduce it. "
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No she's systematically pulls aid apart and why we continue with this failed thinking.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How the West was lost

Winner takes all

Edge of destruction

Read any of her books, there all brilliant

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Are you trying to argue that Chinese mineral extraction in Africa is less corrupt than DfID giving money to UK based aid charities working with some of the poorest communities in Africa?

Governments need voters taxs when you don't have to worry about getting taxs you can treat the electorate shittly"

Even though DfID doesn't give money to national government?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Shhh, he's read a *book* that told him what he wanted to hear.

Ain't nobody gonna compete with that.

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over a year ago

Are you trying to argue that Chinese mineral extraction in Africa is less corrupt than DfID giving money to UK based aid charities working with some of the poorest communities in Africa?

Governments need voters taxs when you don't have to worry about getting taxs you can treat the electorate shittly"
The key difference between the West and China are that the West puts democracy first and human rights and China believes in driving the economic growth of the receiving country through infrastructural development first.

China managed to lift a billion of its citizens out of poverty.They might well do the same in Africa.Of course it's a form of commercial diplomacy.Theyll want to get the resources they need.The West has done the same in the past .

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over a year ago

"Shhh, he's read a *book* that told him what he wanted to hear.

Ain't nobody gonna compete with that."
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I'd rather read a book from a Harvard educated black Zambian woman who actually knows what she's taking about than your infamous #yeahbutnobutyeah routine of utter nonsense

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over a year ago

You wanna try it.... You might actually learn something for once

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"You wanna try it.... You might actually learn something for once

Yet you wont even try looking and the DfID website and seeing they don't fund national governments

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

Whatever you think it's doing, the reality is it's doing the opposite and benefiting the wealthy and corporations the most!"

This is because well meaning but misdirected aid has been used for decades to feed and water unsustainable populations in an effort to appease our survivor guilt generated by sensationalist footage of starving women and children without addressing the issues of overpopulation and the need for population control of some type. As a result the finite food and water resources of the continent and the economy that is built on those resources [All economies ultimate foundation is food and water. For a population to produce anything it must first be able to feed itself.] are spread ever thinner because the unsustainable population growth not only is not controlled by the environment but our intervention actively compounds the problem by increasing the breeding population without controlling reproduction (because some think doing that is wrong).

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over a year ago

"You wanna try it.... You might actually learn something for once

Yet you wont even try looking and the DfID website and seeing they don't fund national governments

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I never said they did!

Like I said, try reading stuff

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

After reading 130 posts, it appears the majority are for stopping or at least cutting back over sea's aid

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"You wanna try it.... You might actually learn something for once

Yet you wont even try looking and the DfID website and seeing they don't fund national governments

I never said they did!

Like I said, try reading stuff

You said that DfID giving money to UK based charities to work in africa is corrupt. In what way is it corrupt?

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over a year ago

"You wanna try it.... You might actually learn something for once

Yet you wont even try looking and the DfID website and seeing they don't fund national governments

I never said they did!

Like I said, try reading stuff

You said that DfID giving money to UK based charities to work in africa is corrupt. In what way is it corrupt? "
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What you mean charities like the white helmets?

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over a year ago

There's a sucker born every minute, 3 in Africa

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"After reading 130 posts, it appears the majority are for stopping or at least cutting back over sea's aid"

I think you are misrepresenting what most think.

The overwhelming message I get from the majority here is that aid needs to be used in a more constructive way than it is now, and that using aid to feed corruption must be halted.

Not quite the same as stopping all aid.

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over a year ago

"After reading 130 posts, it appears the majority are for stopping or at least cutting back over sea's aid

I think you are misrepresenting what most think.

The overwhelming message I get from the majority here is that aid needs to be used in a more constructive way than it is now, and that using aid to feed corruption must be halted.

Not quite the same as stopping all aid."
...Spot on.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

14 Billion, eh?

Thats only 4 billion more than bribing some extremists so you can form a working majority....

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

But why does the uk spend that much we r the second or third biggest spenders on overseas aid but only 6 th richest nation we spend more than most of European countries only Germany I think spend as much it doesn't make sense to me it's much

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over a year ago

"But why does the uk spend that much we r the second or third biggest spenders on overseas aid but only 6 th richest nation we spend more than most of European countries only Germany I think spend as much it doesn't make sense to me it's much "

The Empire...to address the fuck up we made

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

The Empire...to address the fuck up we made "
True we and other European countries focus on giving aid to their former colonies .Not good really.

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By *bandjam91Couple
over a year ago

London

"After reading 130 posts, it appears the majority are for stopping or at least cutting back over sea's aid

I think you are misrepresenting what most think.

The overwhelming message I get from the majority here is that aid needs to be used in a more constructive way than it is now, and that using aid to feed corruption must be halted.

Not quite the same as stopping all aid."

I think the majority of the population would agree with this sentiment, but what some don't understand is this.

DFID funded programmes have massive audit requirements and the chances of money being siphoned off are probably as small as they can be in the aid world.

When it does happen it's much more likely to be during crises like war and disasters, as things are in chaos. Development programmes are also more cost effective than relief operations in general, although often more controversial.

Yes, aid is imperfect, but it's also essential to address suffering and improve security for everyone. This is particularly important if you're concerned about migration of people.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Should the £14 Billion per year spent on Over Seas Aid be temporarily stopped, and spent on Health Service as well as other services which are in financial difficulty right now

Get the UK back up and running, sort out poverty, homeless, illness & the NHS, once all is fixed, go back to contributing into the corruption of overseas aid."

Corruption I agree with

However I don't value a UK human any more or any less than an African one

My tax money goes to worthy and corrupt in the UK and to the worthy and corrupt in Africa

I suggest let's aim to reduce corruption across the world so we can help the needy across the world

Ps I'd actually prefer every one in the world had clean water before our nhs pays for let's say fertility treatment , or a number of other non critical operations or drugs xxx

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

Ah the 'others don't give as much as us, so we should give less' argument. I love the way so many love the race to the bottom. Funny how 40 years of the race to the bottom has resulted in 64 people controlling 50% (that's 3.8 billion people) of the worlds wealth and the top 1% holding more wealth than the poorest 5.5 billion of the world."
ok if that's a poor argument the others don't give as much as us do you want us to give more then say more than the USA say why stop at 14 billion why not 100 billion then ?

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By *bandjam91Couple
over a year ago

London

Internationally agreed targets are to give 0.7% of GDP. The UK is one of six European countries who hit that target.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"I think the majority of the population would agree with this sentiment, but what some don't understand is this.

DFID funded programmes have massive audit requirements and the chances of money being siphoned off are probably as small as they can be in the aid world.

Yes, aid is imperfect, but it's also essential to address suffering and improve security for everyone. This is particularly important if you're concerned about migration of people.

I agree that most of what we see and hear is during crisis's and that is not the best time to judge what happening.

But I do not agree most aid is well directed. I do accept that most aid is well managed and well meaning. But I would say that the cause of most of Africa's problems are population growth driven and this is the one issue that is not addressed and until that changes then there will be no chance of addressing any of Africa's other problems.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"You wanna try it.... You might actually learn something for once

Yet you wont even try looking and the DfID website and seeing they don't fund national governments

I never said they did!

Like I said, try reading stuff

You said that DfID giving money to UK based charities to work in africa is corrupt. In what way is it corrupt? .

What you mean charities like the white helmets?"

DfID doesn't fund the white helmets, as far as I'm aware anyway.

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over a year ago

Internationally agreed targets are to give 0.7% of GDP. The UK is one of six European countries who hit that target."
The USA gives 0.18%.

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By *bandjam91Couple
over a year ago

London

"I think the majority of the population would agree with this sentiment, but what some don't understand is this.

DFID funded programmes have massive audit requirements and the chances of money being siphoned off are probably as small as they can be in the aid world.

Yes, aid is imperfect, but it's also essential to address suffering and improve security for everyone. This is particularly important if you're concerned about migration of people.

I agree that most of what we see and hear is during crisis's and that is not the best time to judge what happening.

I'm not sure that's true on the population front, but even if it is the single biggest way shown to reduce fertility rates is educating and empowering women. So things like schools, and funnily enough positive female role models (Ethiopian girl bands anyone?)

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By *bandjam91Couple
over a year ago

London

Internationally agreed targets are to give 0.7% of GDP. The UK is one of six European countries who hit that target. The USA gives 0.18%."

That may be true but they also elected Trump.

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over a year ago

Internationally agreed targets are to give 0.7% of GDP. The UK is one of six European countries who hit that target. The USA gives 0.18%.

That may be true but they also elected Trump."
They also elected Obama.Under the Obama Israel got the biggest slice of aid.Not some piss poor African country.

Foreign aid is a tool it's not all hugs and feeding skinny kids.

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By *heislanderMan
over a year ago

cheshunt

No we can’t stop it, I believe Mozambique’s president is not happy with his private jet and may be looking to upgrade ????

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"I'm not sure that's true on the population front, but even if it is the single biggest way shown to reduce fertility rates is educating and empowering women. So things like schools, and funnily enough positive female role models (Ethiopian girl bands anyone?)"

I agree that female education and empowerment is highly important. However in places where there is an ongoing need for food/water-aid then I believe that to be honest there should be enforced hormonal birth control as a condition of receiving food.

I know that many will find my opinion on this to be objectionable in the extreme, but to be honest if we are going to interfere and to counter environmental population controls then we must find a way to mitigate our intervention and return the environment to balance or we all die.

Unfortunately this malaise has now spread to virtually the whole planet in multiple ways and as a result we are now all heading towards extinction.

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over a year ago

More than half of global population growth between now and 2050 is expected to occur in Africa.Of the additional 2.4 billion people projected to be added to the global population between 2015 and 2050, 1.3 billion will be added in Africa.This is another reason China is investing in Africa .It will provide a young work force.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

You should see USAID regulations relating to anything that could even vaguely be portrayed as family planning, womens health etc.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"You should see USAID regulations relating to anything that could even vaguely be portrayed as family planning, womens health etc.

I know Trump has made them even worse!

I also know that in the US the Christian pro life movement not consider killing doctors or people attending family planning clinics as a sin or an ethical inconsistency.

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By *bandjam91Couple
over a year ago

London

Internationally agreed targets are to give 0.7% of GDP. The UK is one of six European countries who hit that target. The USA gives 0.18%.

That may be true but they also elected Trump. They also elected Obama.Under the Obama Israel got the biggest slice of aid.Not some piss poor African country.

Foreign aid is a tool it's not all hugs and feeding skinny kids."

It's a tool for some countries more than others. UK aid used to be much more conditional than now and guess what, those kind of policies almost always end up causing more damage.

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By *bandjam91Couple
over a year ago

London

Unfortunately this malaise has now spread to virtually the whole planet in multiple ways and as a result we are now all heading towards extinction."

That wouldn't work in practice even if it were desirable. Its not like countries resources are uniformly spread everywhere. Where do you the line? You can't.

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over a year ago

"Shhh, he's read a *book* that told him what he wanted to hear.

Ain't nobody gonna compete with that..

I'd rather read a book from a Harvard educated black Zambian woman who actually knows what she's taking about than your infamous #yeahbutnobutyeah routine of utter nonsense

Remind me, which rereg are you again.

I find you all so interchangeable.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"That wouldn't work in practice even if it were desirable. Its not like countries resources are uniformly spread everywhere. Where do you the line? You can't."

Of course it would. All that is required is that a temporary infertility drug be introduced to the food. And there is the line, if food-aid is required then there should be an absolute requirement that all receiving food-aid be required not to be producing more mouths to feed.

As I said many will find my ideas on this subject objectionable in the extreme.

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over a year ago

"That wouldn't work in practice even if it were desirable. Its not like countries resources are uniformly spread everywhere. Where do you the line? You can't.

As I said many will find my ideas on this subject objectionable in the extreme."

Yes.

Because they're awful ideas.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

Yes.

Because they're awful ideas."

And you think what is happening now is better?

I think that what I think should happen is the least worst option. Because unless you have not noticed Sub-Saharan Saharan and Central Africa is burning and the fire like the population is expanding and migrating. At some point really hard choices have to be made. Every year humanity procrastinates brings us a year closer to extinction.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes.

Because they're awful ideas.

And you think what is happening now is better?

Treating people as little more than animals that have to have their rights removed for their own good by the poor, put upon white man is repugnant.

And if you want to cull the herd so badly, might I suggest you put your money where your mouth is and start with a lot closer to home.

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over a year ago

The best proven way out of poverty and despair is commercial enterprise, aid kills it.

Secondly you need governance that's accountable, aid encourages corruption.

Then you need institutions that are steadfast like law and order and property rights, aid encourages and helps people like Mugabe and the rest of these antifa fuck wits on here kill that philosophy off.

Aid is a curse for everybody who's unfortunately unfortunate that is pervasive and destructive and ruins there lifes but white middle class knobs who know diddly shit can wring their hands because we give aid..... Huzzah

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By *heislanderMan
over a year ago

cheshunt

"The best proven way out of poverty and despair is commercial enterprise, aid kills it.

Secondly you need governance that's accountable, aid encourages corruption.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"Treating people as little more than animals that have to have their rights removed for their own good by the poor, put upon white man is repugnant.

And if you want to cull the herd so badly, might I suggest you put your money where your mouth is and start with a lot closer to home."

Fistly I have not suggested any type cull and find that your equating what I said with some sort of euthanasia scheme extremely offensive.

Further you will probably find it strange that you find your rejection of my solution without offering an alternative my solution repugnant. Now just to put things into perspective as I am sure you have not actually put any logical thought into the consequences of the status quo.

As it is we have what I consider to be the repugnant situation of near starving or vulnerable to starvation females falling pregnant in famine relief camps and then giving birth to babies who are more than likely to die from lack of nutrition or starvation related complications due to lack of nutrition during pregnancy. Of course there are also all the complications and problems caused by giving birth when extremely malnourished.

Now being willing to inflict that sort of suffering on women and new born babies just so you can say like Pilot your hands are clean I find not only repugnant but morally degenerate!

Now if you can tell me of a way to stop that suffering or the risk of that suffering without forced contraception I am more than willing to change my views.

Over to you.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"The best proven way out of poverty and despair is commercial enterprise, aid kills it.

Secondly you need governance that's accountable, aid encourages corruption.

And you neglect the primary requirement because it is so obvious that you fail to notice it...

Before any commercial enterprise can even be considered viable the population must first be able to feed itself. If you can't feed yourself you can't do anything.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

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"The best proven way out of poverty and despair is commercial enterprise, aid kills it.

Secondly you need governance that's accountable, aid encourages corruption.

How does aid encourage corruption? you keep on repeating the same shit over and over again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The best proven way out of poverty and despair is commercial enterprise, aid kills it.

Secondly you need governance that's accountable, aid encourages corruption.

And you neglect the primary requirement because it is so obvious that you fail to notice it...

Before any commercial enterprise can even be considered viable the population must first be able to feed itself. If you can't feed yourself you can't do anything. "
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Africa as a continent exports shit loads of food, it has massive expanses of arable land, it's one of those great deals it could do with countries like China that are short on arable land.

There's obviously problems in failed country's like Sudan and Ethiopia where aid has driven corruption and population expansion beyond its ability to sustain though

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"The best proven way out of poverty and despair is commercial enterprise, aid kills it.

Secondly you need governance that's accountable, aid encourages corruption.

And you neglect the primary requirement because it is so obvious that you fail to notice it...

Before any commercial enterprise can even be considered viable the population must first be able to feed itself. If you can't feed yourself you can't do anything. "

As an aside: Britain hasn't been able to feed itself since the mid 19th century....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The best proven way out of poverty and despair is commercial enterprise, aid kills it.

Secondly you need governance that's accountable, aid encourages corruption.

How does aid encourage corruption? you keep on repeating the same shit over and over again. "
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Let's spin this around!.

You explain to me how Africa suffers from such disproportionate high levels of corruption?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The best proven way out of poverty and despair is commercial enterprise, aid kills it.

Secondly you need governance that's accountable, aid encourages corruption.

And you neglect the primary requirement because it is so obvious that you fail to notice it...

Before any commercial enterprise can even be considered viable the population must first be able to feed itself. If you can't feed yourself you can't do anything.

As an aside: Britain hasn't been able to feed itself since the mid 19th century...."
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That's absolute bullshit.

There's by far and away enough calories grown in the UK to sustain the population that lives here!.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"The best proven way out of poverty and despair is commercial enterprise, aid kills it.

Secondly you need governance that's accountable, aid encourages corruption.

And you neglect the primary requirement because it is so obvious that you fail to notice it...

Before any commercial enterprise can even be considered viable the population must first be able to feed itself. If you can't feed yourself you can't do anything.

As an aside: Britain hasn't been able to feed itself since the mid 19th century.....

That's absolute bullshit.

There's by far and away enough calories grown in the UK to sustain the population that lives here!.

Nope - coincidentally, thats why the convoys were so important in WW2

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"As an aside: Britain hasn't been able to feed itself since the mid 19th century...."

True, as soon as our economy collapses (and at present we are doing everything we can to make that happen), we are looking at a famine that will wipe out between 25 and 40 million between starvation and civil unrest.

The problem with Africa is not universal, however it started in drought regions and has spread to areas with high value raw materials such as raw diamonds, oil, copper and other precious resources.

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