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"The environment secretary Michael Gove announced today that the UK will be Greener after Brexit. Subsidies payments currently paid to uk farmers by the EU will be changed after Brexit and will instead be paid to farmers by the UK government. Michael Gove said that farmers will be given extra incentives to incorporate Greener farming methods which include maintenance of wild flower fields and meadows and to improve flood defences in the green belt so yet more examples of how the UK will benefit and be better after exiting the EU. " And you do realise the EU was not preventing any environmental protections I own land and there is a vast amount of cross compliance paperwork which in my opinion is right and proper I'm most happy that the Brexit voting farmers will have even more convoluted and strict compliance and their prices will rise .fortunately due to no trade tariff I shall be able to buy good value and quality produce from the EU x | |||
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"The environment secretary Michael Gove announced today that the UK will be Greener after Brexit. Subsidies payments currently paid to uk farmers by the EU will be changed after Brexit and will instead be paid to farmers by the UK government. Michael Gove said that farmers will be given extra incentives to incorporate Greener farming methods which include maintenance of wild flower fields and meadows and to improve flood defences in the green belt so yet more examples of how the UK will benefit and be better after exiting the EU. And you do realise the EU was not preventing any environmental protections I own land and there is a vast amount of cross compliance paperwork which in my opinion is right and proper I'm most happy that the Brexit voting farmers will have even more convoluted and strict compliance and their prices will rise .fortunately due to no trade tariff I shall be able to buy good value and quality produce from the EU x" What would have been the extra incentives for farmers to be greener had we remained in the EU then? Now we are leaving the EU and farmers subsidies will be paid by the UK government instead of Brussels extra money and bonuses will be given to farmers who use greener farming methods as outlined by Michael Gove today. You say farmers prices will rise (even though phase 2 trade talks with the EU are not started yet let alone concluded) but if farmers will be given extra money and bonuses for being greener this can only benefit the UK and will make UK food produce more attractive in a global market where people are increasingly wanting to buy Green and environmentally friendly products. | |||
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"Farming directly contributes to climate change.This must be a comedy post . Git orf my planet "Do you think all farming should stop and everyone can just starve to death then? Yeah that will save the planet  | |||
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"The environment secretary Michael Gove announced today that the UK will be Greener after Brexit. Subsidies payments currently paid to uk farmers by the EU will be changed after Brexit and will instead be paid to farmers by the UK government. Michael Gove said that farmers will be given extra incentives to incorporate Greener farming methods which include maintenance of wild flower fields and meadows and to improve flood defences in the green belt so yet more examples of how the UK will benefit and be better after exiting the EU. And you do realise the EU was not preventing any environmental protections I own land and there is a vast amount of cross compliance paperwork which in my opinion is right and proper I'm most happy that the Brexit voting farmers will have even more convoluted and strict compliance and their prices will rise .fortunately due to no trade tariff I shall be able to buy good value and quality produce from the EU x What would have been the extra incentives for farmers to be greener had we remained in the EU then? Now we are leaving the EU and farmers subsidies will be paid by the UK government instead of Brussels extra money and bonuses will be given to farmers who use greener farming methods as outlined by Michael Gove today. You say farmers prices will rise (even though phase 2 trade talks with the EU are not started yet let alone concluded) but if farmers will be given extra money and bonuses for being greener this can only benefit the UK and will make UK food produce more attractive in a global market where people are increasingly wanting to buy Green and environmentally friendly products. " Ok not sure you understand but the gist is that farmers will only receive subsidies IF the meet certain criteria and by not doing so finances will be reduced The same would have been achieved with a fine for non compliance me UK extra rules They are the same exactly Secondly by default price will increase because compliant farms will have extra costs but only receive the same subsidy as now and non compliance will have lower cost but less subsidy thus increased cost to the consumer The point being The idea of the Eu was level playing field for all Eu countries , whether the rules were perfect or not the field tried to be level However the UK will either reduce standards and be cheaper this is how it was sold to farmers lol and why the 50 I know voted out , to rid themselves of the Eu red tape that put up their costs Or increase its standards , quality and environmental which will make UK produce more expensive than it's Eu rivals Now I don't mind paying for the environment , but I think we will find a majority of Lidl. Aldi Tesco asda shoppers are a tad more price fixed | |||
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"The environment secretary Michael Gove announced today that the UK will be Greener after Brexit. Subsidies payments currently paid to uk farmers by the EU will be changed after Brexit and will instead be paid to farmers by the UK government. Michael Gove said that farmers will be given extra incentives to incorporate Greener farming methods which include maintenance of wild flower fields and meadows and to improve flood defences in the green belt so yet more examples of how the UK will benefit and be better after exiting the EU. And you do realise the EU was not preventing any environmental protections I own land and there is a vast amount of cross compliance paperwork which in my opinion is right and proper I'm most happy that the Brexit voting farmers will have even more convoluted and strict compliance and their prices will rise .fortunately due to no trade tariff I shall be able to buy good value and quality produce from the EU x What would have been the extra incentives for farmers to be greener had we remained in the EU then? Now we are leaving the EU and farmers subsidies will be paid by the UK government instead of Brussels extra money and bonuses will be given to farmers who use greener farming methods as outlined by Michael Gove today. You say farmers prices will rise (even though phase 2 trade talks with the EU are not started yet let alone concluded) but if farmers will be given extra money and bonuses for being greener this can only benefit the UK and will make UK food produce more attractive in a global market where people are increasingly wanting to buy Green and environmentally friendly products. " I thought that money was going to be used for the NHS, rather than keeping on with farming subsidies? | |||
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"The environment secretary Michael Gove announced today that the UK will be Greener after Brexit. Subsidies payments currently paid to uk farmers by the EU will be changed after Brexit and will instead be paid to farmers by the UK government. Michael Gove said that farmers will be given extra incentives to incorporate Greener farming methods which include maintenance of wild flower fields and meadows and to improve flood defences in the green belt so yet more examples of how the UK will benefit and be better after exiting the EU. " ..... but I thought all of the 350 million per week savings you were making by not being in the EU was going to the NHS instead
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"So all our farmers are going to end up fucking off crops and tend wild flower fields instead Cool "That will help with our food security  | |||
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"sound bite with no evidence of costings would be more accurate.. Gove is a cunt, ask anyone who works in Education from his time there.. more 'not quite true information' from him.." . ...
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"Just wait until the chlorinated chicken & hormone induced beef arrives " It already has at some Tesco stores, well turkey anyway apparently and the EU is supposed to be preventing it  | |||
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"Just wait until the chlorinated chicken & hormone induced beef arrives It already has at some Tesco stores, well turkey anyway apparently and the EU is supposed to be preventing it "Where did you hear that? | |||
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"Just wait until the chlorinated chicken & hormone induced beef arrives It already has at some Tesco stores, well turkey anyway apparently and the EU is supposed to be preventing it "You do realise that its up to British customs agents to stop non compliant goods entering the UK. The EU passes the law preventing their importation, its the UK that are supposed to prevent it from actually happening. | |||
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"The environment secretary Michael Gove announced today that the UK will be Greener after Brexit. Subsidies payments currently paid to uk farmers by the EU will be changed after Brexit and will instead be paid to farmers by the UK government. Michael Gove said that farmers will be given extra incentives to incorporate Greener farming methods which include maintenance of wild flower fields and meadows and to improve flood defences in the green belt so yet more examples of how the UK will benefit and be better after exiting the EU. " He also said incentives would be given to encourage farm land to be more accessible and open to the public, has to be a good thing | |||
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"The environment secretary Michael Gove announced today that the UK will be Greener after Brexit. Subsidies payments currently paid to uk farmers by the EU will be changed after Brexit and will instead be paid to farmers by the UK government. Michael Gove said that farmers will be given extra incentives to incorporate Greener farming methods which include maintenance of wild flower fields and meadows and to improve flood defences in the green belt so yet more examples of how the UK will benefit and be better after exiting the EU. " Sounds great. Only.... The point of wild flower meadows is they are not maintained, they are at the most lightly grazed for a part of the year. So in one sentence Gove put the lie to his whole green agenda. Never mind I am sure there will be lots who will soak it up and regurgitate it as though It was the word of god. | |||
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"According to a senior UN Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) official, if current rates of soul degradation continue all of the world's top soil could be gone within 60 years. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/only-60-years-of-farming-left-if-soil-degradation-continues/ We may as well subsidise the custodians of the countryside whilst we can! " We'll all be dead by then anyway .These farmers know what's best for us and them they're not interested in people who do sciencey stuff. Landrovers aren't cheap you know and are environmentally .So keep up the subsidies and git orf my land you townie bastard's cause you don't understand the cuntryside | |||
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"The environment secretary Michael Gove announced today that the UK will be Greener after Brexit. Subsidies payments currently paid to uk farmers by the EU will be changed after Brexit and will instead be paid to farmers by the UK government. Michael Gove said that farmers will be given extra incentives to incorporate Greener farming methods which include maintenance of wild flower fields and meadows and to improve flood defences in the green belt so yet more examples of how the UK will benefit and be better after exiting the EU. ..... but I thought all of the 350 million per week savings you were making by not being in the EU was going to the NHS instead
Wasn’t that what people were being told....
How are they spending the same money twice?"It's not spending the same money twice. If you look at the fullfact website the UK sends around £13 billion a year to the EU (with the rebate included total is around £17 billion a year). Out of the £13 billion the UK gets around £4 billion back from the EU, farming subsidies in the EU Common Agricultural Policy (CAP) are included in that £4 billion coming back to us each year. The extra money for the NHS would be coming from the remaining £9 billion we pay to the EU in annual Membership fees. | |||
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"The environment secretary Michael Gove announced today that the UK will be Greener after Brexit. Subsidies payments currently paid to uk farmers by the EU will be changed after Brexit and will instead be paid to farmers by the UK government. Michael Gove said that farmers will be given extra incentives to incorporate Greener farming methods which include maintenance of wild flower fields and meadows and to improve flood defences in the green belt so yet more examples of how the UK will benefit and be better after exiting the EU. Sounds great. Only.... The point of wild flower meadows is they are not maintained, they are at the most lightly grazed for a part of the year. So in one sentence Gove put the lie to his whole green agenda. Never mind I am sure there will be lots who will soak it up and regurgitate it as though It was the word of god." The EU Common Agricultural Policy activity encourages the destruction of the natural environment in the countryside. Farmers are encouraged to destroy natural habitat such as wild flower meadows and woodland, just bulldoze it and turn it into farmland. Now we are leaving the EU we can put an end to this madness. Instead of being encouraged to destroy the environment and natural habit like the EU CAP currently does, UK farmers will instead be encouraged to preserve and maintain the natural environment as best as possible and will be rewarded for doing so, that is the difference. | |||
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"The environment secretary Michael Gove announced today that the UK will be Greener after Brexit. Subsidies payments currently paid to uk farmers by the EU will be changed after Brexit and will instead be paid to farmers by the UK government. Michael Gove said that farmers will be given extra incentives to incorporate Greener farming methods which include maintenance of wild flower fields and meadows and to improve flood defences in the green belt so yet more examples of how the UK will benefit and be better after exiting the EU. Sounds great. Only.... The point of wild flower meadows is they are not maintained, they are at the most lightly grazed for a part of the year. So in one sentence Gove put the lie to his whole green agenda. Never mind I am sure there will be lots who will soak it up and regurgitate it as though It was the word of god. The EU Common Agricultural Policy activity encourages the destruction of the natural environment in the countryside. Farmers are encouraged to destroy natural habitat such as wild flower meadows and woodland, just bulldoze it and turn it into farmland. Now we are leaving the EU we can put an end to this madness. Instead of being encouraged to destroy the environment and natural habit like the EU CAP currently does, UK farmers will instead be encouraged to preserve and maintain the natural environment as best as possible and will be rewarded for doing so, that is the difference. " What a load of bollocks do you believe everything politicians media Santa Claus bugs bunny etc etc say if so well words fucking fail me | |||
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" The EU Common Agricultural Policy activity encourages the destruction of the natural environment in the countryside. Farmers are encouraged to destroy natural habitat such as wild flower meadows and woodland, just bulldoze it and turn it into farmland. Now we are leaving the EU we can put an end to this madness. Instead of being encouraged to destroy the environment and natural habit like the EU CAP currently does, UK farmers will instead be encouraged to preserve and maintain the natural environment as best as possible and will be rewarded for doing so, that is the difference. " You call trying to feed our nation "madness" You really want food shortages & soaring imported food costs so farmers can be paid to grow s ? Is that really your vision of Britain after Brexit ? | |||
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"The environment secretary Michael Gove announced today that the UK will be Greener after Brexit. Subsidies payments currently paid to uk farmers by the EU will be changed after Brexit and will instead be paid to farmers by the UK government. Michael Gove said that farmers will be given extra incentives to incorporate Greener farming methods which include maintenance of wild flower fields and meadows and to improve flood defences in the green belt so yet more examples of how the UK will benefit and be better after exiting the EU. Sounds great. Only.... The point of wild flower meadows is they are not maintained, they are at the most lightly grazed for a part of the year. So in one sentence Gove put the lie to his whole green agenda. Never mind I am sure there will be lots who will soak it up and regurgitate it as though It was the word of god. The EU Common Agricultural Policy activity encourages the destruction of the natural environment in the countryside. Farmers are encouraged to destroy natural habitat such as wild flower meadows and woodland, just bulldoze it and turn it into farmland. Now we are leaving the EU we can put an end to this madness. Instead of being encouraged to destroy the environment and natural habit like the EU CAP currently does, UK farmers will instead be encouraged to preserve and maintain the natural environment as best as possible and will be rewarded for doing so, that is the difference. " what utter shite!!! wasn't your glorious vision of brexit one where we could supposedly be more self sufficient? not be beholden to europe and half the rest of our world? because lunatic, empty policies like this are going to achieve the exact opposite! | |||
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" ..... but I thought all of the 350 million per week savings you were making by not being in the EU was going to the NHS instead
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It's not spending the same money twice. If you look at the fullfact website the UK sends around £13 billion a year to the EU (with the rebate included total is around £17 billion a year). Out of the £13 billion the UK gets around £4 billion back from the EU, farming subsidies in the EU Common Agricultural Policy (CAP) are included in that £4 billion coming back to us each year. The extra money for the NHS would be coming from the remaining £9 billion we pay to the EU in annual Membership fees. "sorry to catch you out of on a blatant lie centy.... but it is a blatant lie and spin... because the infamous "350 million per week" that was on the side of that bus and the one that kept on being quoted throughout the referendum is based on the 17 billion figure.... which people on the remain side kept trying to point out you never ever gave in the 1st place.... and THEN you talk about money like the CAP... so are you going to the money to the farmers.... what about the fishermen? are you going to honour all the money they get as well? you are spending the same money twice or you are not giving the NHS anywhere near the 350 million... so... which is it? | |||
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"The EU Common Agricultural Policy activity encourages the destruction of the natural environment in the countryside. Farmers are encouraged to destroy natural habitat such as wild flower meadows and woodland, just bulldoze it and turn it into farmland. Now we are leaving the EU we can put an end to this madness. Instead of being encouraged to destroy the environment and natural habit like the EU CAP currently does, UK farmers will instead be encouraged to preserve and maintain the natural environment as best as possible and will be rewarded for doing so, that is the difference. " Bullshit! In fact your bullshit here can be proven in one word... Set-aside! Actually the EU are responsible for stopping UK farmers ripping up hedge rows to increase field sizes. | |||
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"The environment secretary Michael Gove announced today that the UK will be Greener after Brexit. Subsidies payments currently paid to uk farmers by the EU will be changed after Brexit and will instead be paid to farmers by the UK government. Michael Gove said that farmers will be given extra incentives to incorporate Greener farming methods which include maintenance of wild flower fields and meadows and to improve flood defences in the green belt so yet more examples of how the UK will benefit and be better after exiting the EU. Sounds great. Only.... The point of wild flower meadows is they are not maintained, they are at the most lightly grazed for a part of the year. So in one sentence Gove put the lie to his whole green agenda. Never mind I am sure there will be lots who will soak it up and regurgitate it as though It was the word of god. The EU Common Agricultural Policy activity encourages the destruction of the natural environment in the countryside. Farmers are encouraged to destroy natural habitat such as wild flower meadows and woodland, just bulldoze it and turn it into farmland. Now we are leaving the EU we can put an end to this madness. Instead of being encouraged to destroy the environment and natural habit like the EU CAP currently does, UK farmers will instead be encouraged to preserve and maintain the natural environment as best as possible and will be rewarded for doing so, that is the difference. " You post a lot of bullshit, but this has to be one of your finer moments. The EU subs do the opposite. Never heard of the stewardship schemes? Set-aside? Payments for not damaging SSSIs and other designated sites? Do you know what a Nitrate Vulnerable Zone is and how it might affect your subsidies? Even SFP has some environmental constraints.... | |||
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"Fabio pls not the 350 million on the bus again I can't imagine a single person believed that shit anyway same as they didn't believe Osborn and Cameron there was shite on both sides I'm suprised yr still harping on about the fucking bus it's older than water that story ffs " They can't let it go though, they are like a dog with a bone.....maybe a very bitter, sour grapes tasting bone. | |||
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"The environment secretary Michael Gove announced today that the UK will be Greener after Brexit. Subsidies payments currently paid to uk farmers by the EU will be changed after Brexit and will instead be paid to farmers by the UK government. Michael Gove said that farmers will be given extra incentives to incorporate Greener farming methods which include maintenance of wild flower fields and meadows and to improve flood defences in the green belt so yet more examples of how the UK will benefit and be better after exiting the EU. Sounds great. Only.... The point of wild flower meadows is they are not maintained, they are at the most lightly grazed for a part of the year. So in one sentence Gove put the lie to his whole green agenda. Never mind I am sure there will be lots who will soak it up and regurgitate it as though It was the word of god. The EU Common Agricultural Policy activity encourages the destruction of the natural environment in the countryside. Farmers are encouraged to destroy natural habitat such as wild flower meadows and woodland, just bulldoze it and turn it into farmland. Now we are leaving the EU we can put an end to this madness. Instead of being encouraged to destroy the environment and natural habit like the EU CAP currently does, UK farmers will instead be encouraged to preserve and maintain the natural environment as best as possible and will be rewarded for doing so, that is the difference. You post a lot of bullshit, but this has to be one of your finer moments. The EU subs do the opposite. Never heard of the stewardship schemes? Set-aside? Payments for not damaging SSSIs and other designated sites? Do you know what a Nitrate Vulnerable Zone is and how it might affect your subsidies? Even SFP has some environmental constraints...." Maybe you should talk to some environmentalists then. One was on sky news just yesterday outlining how the EU CAP does exactly what I described in that post. | |||
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"Fabio pls not the 350 million on the bus again I can't imagine a single person believed that shit anyway same as they didn't believe Osborn and Cameron there was shite on both sides I'm suprised yr still harping on about the fucking bus it's older than water that story ffs " | |||
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"Fabio pls not the 350 million on the bus again I can't imagine a single person believed that shit anyway same as they didn't believe Osborn and Cameron there was shite on both sides I'm suprised yr still harping on about the fucking bus it's older than water that story ffs " .. | |||
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"Nobody even brexiters will ever believe anything written by a Brexiter again on a bus or not ..Well played " | |||
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"Bob no one believed it same as the letter Cameron sent to every letterbox there was bullshit on both sides it's time to talk about something else the fucking bus is old news been done to death on here there realy is nothing more to say about the bus it's back in service iv seen it on oxford street lol" Difference is some where taken in by it...and some did research into everything that was saied...or should i say the brighter ones among us did | |||
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"Bob no one believed it same as the letter Cameron sent to every letterbox there was bullshit on both sides it's time to talk about something else the fucking bus is old news been done to death on here there realy is nothing more to say about the bus it's back in service iv seen it on oxford street lol" Nobody believes anything anymore.Its a post truth age.I don't believe anything the brexiters say who are in government .Do you foxy? Which person stood in front that bus do you believe tells the truth today.? It's like they say. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. | |||
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"Bob no one believed it same as the letter Cameron sent to every letterbox there was bullshit on both sides it's time to talk about something else the fucking bus is old news been done to death on here there realy is nothing more to say about the bus it's back in service iv seen it on oxford street lol Difference is some where taken in by it...and some did research into everything that was saied...or should i say the brighter ones among us did "yes yr right the brexitiers r all dumb but you remainers are all very bright well said ffs | |||
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"Bob no one believed it same as the letter Cameron sent to every letterbox there was bullshit on both sides it's time to talk about something else the fucking bus is old news been done to death on here there realy is nothing more to say about the bus it's back in service iv seen it on oxford street lol Difference is some where taken in by it...and some did research into everything that was saied...or should i say the brighter ones among us did yes yr right the brexitiers r all dumb but you remainers are all very bright well said ffs "Nah there just lying cunts tbh | |||
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"The environment secretary Michael Gove announced today that the UK will be Greener after Brexit. Subsidies payments currently paid to uk farmers by the EU will be changed after Brexit and will instead be paid to farmers by the UK government. Michael Gove said that farmers will be given extra incentives to incorporate Greener farming methods which include maintenance of wild flower fields and meadows and to improve flood defences in the green belt so yet more examples of how the UK will benefit and be better after exiting the EU. Sounds great. Only.... The point of wild flower meadows is they are not maintained, they are at the most lightly grazed for a part of the year. So in one sentence Gove put the lie to his whole green agenda. Never mind I am sure there will be lots who will soak it up and regurgitate it as though It was the word of god. The EU Common Agricultural Policy activity encourages the destruction of the natural environment in the countryside. Farmers are encouraged to destroy natural habitat such as wild flower meadows and woodland, just bulldoze it and turn it into farmland. Now we are leaving the EU we can put an end to this madness. Instead of being encouraged to destroy the environment and natural habit like the EU CAP currently does, UK farmers will instead be encouraged to preserve and maintain the natural environment as best as possible and will be rewarded for doing so, that is the difference. You post a lot of bullshit, but this has to be one of your finer moments. The EU subs do the opposite. Never heard of the stewardship schemes? Set-aside? Payments for not damaging SSSIs and other designated sites? Do you know what a Nitrate Vulnerable Zone is and how it might affect your subsidies? Even SFP has some environmental constraints.... Maybe you should talk to some environmentalists then. One was on sky news just yesterday outlining how the EU CAP does exactly what I described in that post. " How about I remain a farmer and know what is going on in my own industry? CAP doesn't go far enough for some environmentalists, but the "efficiency" Gove is talking about isn't going to be paying farmers to farm even less than they currently do. It's much more likely to be business efficiency, ie exposure to market forces by removing subsidy, as in New Zealand in the 1960s. There is a strong argument for the removal of subsidies in Agriculture, but to assume this will somehow benefit the environment is naeive in the extreme. | |||
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"Just wait until the chlorinated chicken & hormone induced beef arrives " Well you've had horsemeat labelled as beef and eggs contaminated with pesticides in the EU so I'm sure you'll be fine. | |||
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"Just wait until the chlorinated chicken & hormone induced beef arrives Well you've had horsemeat labelled as beef and eggs contaminated with pesticides in the EU so I'm sure you'll be fine. " You still can't tell the difference between legal and illegal activity can you? | |||
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"Just wait until the chlorinated chicken & hormone induced beef arrives Well you've had horsemeat labelled as beef and eggs contaminated with pesticides in the EU so I'm sure you'll be fine. You still can't tell the difference between legal and illegal activity can you? " Despite the rules and a mountain of EU regulations it still happened though didn't it. | |||
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"Just wait until the chlorinated chicken & hormone induced beef arrives Well you've had horsemeat labelled as beef and eggs contaminated with pesticides in the EU so I'm sure you'll be fine. You still can't tell the difference between legal and illegal activity can you? Despite the rules and a mountain of EU regulations it still happened though didn't it. " And? | |||
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"Just wait until the chlorinated chicken & hormone induced beef arrives Well you've had horsemeat labelled as beef and eggs contaminated with pesticides in the EU so I'm sure you'll be fine. You still can't tell the difference between legal and illegal activity can you? Despite the rules and a mountain of EU regulations it still happened though didn't it. " Yeah, and I got burgled whilst we have been in the EU, that doesn't mean that it was legal, approved or sanctioned by the EU. Chlorinated chicken and meat filled with growth hormone could become legal on British supermarket shelves, in restaurants, in school meals, in hospitals and care homes. That is the difference. | |||
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"Well you've had horsemeat labelled as beef and eggs contaminated with pesticides in the EU so I'm sure you'll be fine. " And of course we got new variant CJD totally legally from the US Agrichem giant Monsanto... But hey, your right Centy we are much better off being dependant on US corporations, they have such a great record worldwide I cant understand why every country is not rushing to their doors begging them to move in... | |||
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"The environment secretary Michael Gove announced today that the UK will be Greener after Brexit. Subsidies payments currently paid to uk farmers by the EU will be changed after Brexit and will instead be paid to farmers by the UK government. Michael Gove said that farmers will be given extra incentives to incorporate Greener farming methods which include maintenance of wild flower fields and meadows and to improve flood defences in the green belt so yet more examples of how the UK will benefit and be better after exiting the EU. ..... but I thought all of the 350 million per week savings you were making by not being in the EU was going to the NHS instead
Wasn’t that what people were being told....
How are they spending the same money twice?
It's not spending the same money twice. If you look at the fullfact website the UK sends around £13 billion a year to the EU (with the rebate included total is around £17 billion a year). Out of the £13 billion the UK gets around £4 billion back from the EU, farming subsidies in the EU Common Agricultural Policy (CAP) are included in that £4 billion coming back to us each year. The extra money for the NHS would be coming from the remaining £9 billion we pay to the EU in annual Membership fees. "That's a little more than £175 million a week or about half of the £350 million promised. Are you now going to admit that the promise of £350 million a week for the NHS was actually a lie? | |||
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"The environment secretary Michael Gove announced today that the UK will be Greener after Brexit. Subsidies payments currently paid to uk farmers by the EU will be changed after Brexit and will instead be paid to farmers by the UK government. Michael Gove said that farmers will be given extra incentives to incorporate Greener farming methods which include maintenance of wild flower fields and meadows and to improve flood defences in the green belt so yet more examples of how the UK will benefit and be better after exiting the EU. Sounds great. Only.... The point of wild flower meadows is they are not maintained, they are at the most lightly grazed for a part of the year. So in one sentence Gove put the lie to his whole green agenda. Never mind I am sure there will be lots who will soak it up and regurgitate it as though It was the word of god. The EU Common Agricultural Policy activity encourages the destruction of the natural environment in the countryside. Farmers are encouraged to destroy natural habitat such as wild flower meadows and woodland, just bulldoze it and turn it into farmland. Now we are leaving the EU we can put an end to this madness. Instead of being encouraged to destroy the environment and natural habit like the EU CAP currently does, UK farmers will instead be encouraged to preserve and maintain the natural environment as best as possible and will be rewarded for doing so, that is the difference. " Some examples of how the CAP is doing what you say would be helpful at this point, don't you think? | |||
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"The environment secretary Michael Gove announced today that the UK will be Greener after Brexit. Subsidies payments currently paid to uk farmers by the EU will be changed after Brexit and will instead be paid to farmers by the UK government. Michael Gove said that farmers will be given extra incentives to incorporate Greener farming methods which include maintenance of wild flower fields and meadows and to improve flood defences in the green belt so yet more examples of how the UK will benefit and be better after exiting the EU. Sounds great. Only.... The point of wild flower meadows is they are not maintained, they are at the most lightly grazed for a part of the year. So in one sentence Gove put the lie to his whole green agenda. Never mind I am sure there will be lots who will soak it up and regurgitate it as though It was the word of god. The EU Common Agricultural Policy activity encourages the destruction of the natural environment in the countryside. Farmers are encouraged to destroy natural habitat such as wild flower meadows and woodland, just bulldoze it and turn it into farmland. Now we are leaving the EU we can put an end to this madness. Instead of being encouraged to destroy the environment and natural habit like the EU CAP currently does, UK farmers will instead be encouraged to preserve and maintain the natural environment as best as possible and will be rewarded for doing so, that is the difference. Some examples of how the CAP is doing what you say would be helpful at this point, don't you think?" Well rather than explain myself i'll let Conservative MEP Daniel Hannan do the talking. Here in this clip he explains how the idiocy of the EU CAP has been disasterous for the UK over the years........ www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHLFnFuB7xU | |||
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" Well rather than explain myself i'll let Conservative MEP Daniel Hannan do the talking. " Seeing as Conservative MEP Daniel Hannan isn't posting on here and can't answer the questions this will raise, how about you just stick to trying to explain yourself. | |||
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"Can someon is explain to me how the CAP pushes up food prices and harms uk farmer? I couldn’t quite follow the logic. And then, how the new uk policy won’t ? " It doesn't, it does the opposite. It makes production cheaper by subsidising the farmer. However, the farmers cost of production has little bearing on the retail price- that is down to the middlemen and the retailer. For example - lamb is pretty expensive to buy in the shops, but I would have considered £70 a pretty good price for a finished, 40kg animal, on the hoof. | |||
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"Can someon is explain to me how the CAP pushes up food prices and harms uk farmer? I couldn’t quite follow the logic. And then, how the new uk policy won’t ? It doesn't, it does the opposite. It makes production cheaper by subsidising the farmer. However, the farmers cost of production has little bearing on the retail price- that is down to the middlemen and the retailer. For example - lamb is pretty expensive to buy in the shops, but I would have considered £70 a pretty good price for a finished, 40kg animal, on the hoof." That would have been my guess too. I will await a rebuttal from the anti CAP side ... (Here’s hoping Hamman is a Fabber !£ | |||
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"Well rather than explain myself i'll let Conservative MEP Daniel Hannan do the talking. Here in this clip he explains how the idiocy of the EU CAP has been disasterous for the UK over the years........ www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHLFnFuB7xU Would that be the same Daniel Hannan who is the Secretary-General of the Alliance of European Conservatives and Reformists (AECR), an advocate of Euroscepticism? You know the same man who was a senior member of the leave campaign (the ones with the red bus you refuse to acknowledge played any part in the referendum)?" And your point is? I see you are attacking the man rather than the ball. Did you even bother to watch the link as you don't make any comment on what Hannan had to say about the EU CAP. If you'd bothered to watch it you'd see a representative from the National farmers union was there debating Hannan, although the NFU representative doesn't make a very strong case for it. | |||
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"Well rather than explain myself i'll let Conservative MEP Daniel Hannan do the talking. Here in this clip he explains how the idiocy of the EU CAP has been disasterous for the UK over the years........ www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHLFnFuB7xU Would that be the same Daniel Hannan who is the Secretary-General of the Alliance of European Conservatives and Reformists (AECR), an advocate of Euroscepticism? You know the same man who was a senior member of the leave campaign (the ones with the red bus you refuse to acknowledge played any part in the referendum)? And your point is? I see you are attacking the man rather than the ball. Did you even bother to watch the link as you don't make any comment on what Hannan had to say about the EU CAP. If you'd bothered to watch it you'd see a representative from the National farmers union was there debating Hannan, although the NFU representative doesn't make a very strong case for it. " nor did Hannan. Hence my confusion (please feel free to confirm) The crux of the clip was Hannan makes a statement. NFU man disagreed. On the basis of credibility I would err with the industry. | |||
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"sound bite with no evidence of costings would be more accurate.. Gove is a cunt, ask anyone who works in Education from his time there.. more 'not quite true information' from him.." That's unfair on cunts | |||
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Unleashed Kraken asked for examples so I provided a link. You really seem to have your knickers in a twist about this Jim. Did the link touch a nerve? Maybe you are one of those lazy farmers who likes to sponge off the EU CAP, milking the EU gravy train for all its worth and now you're scared you're going to lose it? It really is ok to admit it if that's how you feel. "What was that about playing the man, not the ball?
I've posted before about farming, and I've made it clear that I neither own land or claim subsidy.
If you've actually bothered to read my posts on this thread, you will see that I'd already written that there is a case for the removal of subsidy altogether.
What I am disputing is the utterly ridiculous assertion that removal of subsidy will be good for the environment and that the CAP has been bad for it - which is why I talked about environmental schemes that fall under it.
You know as well as I do that ideologically pro Brexit, but unlike you I can judge individual arguments on their merits, wheras you jump on any old pro-Brexit bullshit and spout it verbatim without having applied any critical analysis to it and it makes you look like a moron. | |||
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"The environment secretary Michael Gove announced today that the UK will be Greener after Brexit. Subsidies payments currently paid to uk farmers by the EU will be changed after Brexit and will instead be paid to farmers by the UK government. Michael Gove said that farmers will be given extra incentives to incorporate Greener farming methods which include maintenance of wild flower fields and meadows and to improve flood defences in the green belt so yet more examples of how the UK will benefit and be better after exiting the EU. Sounds great. Only.... The point of wild flower meadows is they are not maintained, they are at the most lightly grazed for a part of the year. So in one sentence Gove put the lie to his whole green agenda. Never mind I am sure there will be lots who will soak it up and regurgitate it as though It was the word of god. The EU Common Agricultural Policy activity encourages the destruction of the natural environment in the countryside. Farmers are encouraged to destroy natural habitat such as wild flower meadows and woodland, just bulldoze it and turn it into farmland. Now we are leaving the EU we can put an end to this madness. Instead of being encouraged to destroy the environment and natural habit like the EU CAP currently does, UK farmers will instead be encouraged to preserve and maintain the natural environment as best as possible and will be rewarded for doing so, that is the difference. Some examples of how the CAP is doing what you say would be helpful at this point, don't you think? Well rather than explain myself i'll let Conservative MEP Daniel Hannan do the talking. Here in this clip he explains how the idiocy of the EU CAP has been disasterous for the UK over the years........ www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHLFnFuB7xU This the tithead your on about...hes that passionate he cant even be bothered to turn up for any debates...yet another Tory with his snout in the troff Hannan ranks 743 out of 751 MEPs for his participation in roll call votes in the European Parliament. Twats not even From the UK Hannan was born on 1 September 1971 on his parents' farm near Lima, Peru. His mother was Scottish and his father was of Irish descent, having served in Italy during the Second World War with the North Irish Horse of the British Army. He is also of partial Jewish descent. Yet more xenophobic nonsense from you, the same as last time Daniel Hannan's name came up in a thread. I see you've taken it a step further now though with the anti semitism thrown in, no surprise really though seeing as you are a Corbyn cult member. Just like WillWill you attack the man and not the ball? Don't you have anything to say about Hannan's comments about the EU CAP in the video? " How can he know anything about it... if he dosent attend any meetings....and how hypocritical of him...to deny something he has done...the guys a waste of space....like i said just another Tory pig with his snout well and truly in the troff...as for the quotes they are from off a website you idiot | |||
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"Just like WillWill you attack the man and not the ball? Don't you have anything to say about Hannan's comments about the EU CAP in the video? Although tempted to take a leaf out of your book and now complain to admin because you have attacked me in order to get you banned from the forum for a few days I will rise above that and just point out to you that all that has happened is 2 of us have pointed out exactly who you are quoting as a source, and to be honest I do not bother listening or reading quoted sources when I know them to be extremely biased. Now if you can quote an unbiased source, say a pier reviewed piece of university research I will be more than happy to read it after checking to make sure it is not a piece of 'planted' research reviewed by dodgy sources. (A growing trend that is very disturbing in my view.)" Hes complained a few times Will....one just quite recently or so im informed | |||
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"Well rather than explain myself i'll let Conservative MEP Daniel Hannan do the talking. Here in this clip he explains how the idiocy of the EU CAP has been disasterous for the UK over the years........ www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHLFnFuB7xU Would that be the same Daniel Hannan who is the Secretary-General of the Alliance of European Conservatives and Reformists (AECR), an advocate of Euroscepticism? You know the same man who was a senior member of the leave campaign (the ones with the red bus you refuse to acknowledge played any part in the referendum)? And your point is? I see you are attacking the man rather than the ball. Did you even bother to watch the link as you don't make any comment on what Hannan had to say about the EU CAP. If you'd bothered to watch it you'd see a representative from the National farmers union was there debating Hannan, although the NFU representative doesn't make a very strong case for it. " So in the video he Hannan is claim to know more about farming that the representative from the National Farmers Union?  | |||
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" Hey hey, that man, is a stable genius. " I expect that, although I hate everything he stands for, I have a lot more respect for him than most. I also think that he is a lot more 'switched on' (and therefore dangerous) than the majority of his opponents give him credit for. In fact I think he may well be one of the best actors I have ever seen. | |||
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"Have to say I find a kipper calling me a xenophobe quite funny... I think Centy is taking lessons from his US hero Donny Small Hands... "I think the Kipper was calling me it...and thats coming from the guy who supports pointy hat parties | |||
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"Have to say I find a kipper calling me a xenophobe quite funny... I think Centy is taking lessons from his US hero Donny Small Hands...
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Unleashed Kraken asked for examples so I provided a link. You really seem to have your knickers in a twist about this Jim. Did the link touch a nerve? Maybe you are one of those lazy farmers who likes to sponge off the EU CAP, milking the EU gravy train for all its worth and now you're scared you're going to lose it? It really is ok to admit it if that's how you feel.
What was that about playing the man, not the ball?
I've posted before about farming, and I've made it clear that I neither own land or claim subsidy.
If you've actually bothered to read my posts on this thread, you will see that I'd already written that there is a case for the removal of subsidy altogether.
What I am disputing is the utterly ridiculous assertion that removal of subsidy will be good for the environment and that the CAP has been bad for it - which is why I talked about environmental schemes that fall under it.
You know as well as I do that ideologically pro Brexit, but unlike you I can judge individual arguments on their merits, wheras you jump on any old pro-Brexit bullshit and spout it verbatim without having applied any critical analysis to it and it makes you look like a moron. "Earlier in the thread you said, and I quote you directly.... "How about I remain a farmer and know what is going on in my own industry". So you're a farmer but you don't own any land and you don't claim any subsidy? What exactly do you farm then? Is it a vegetable patch in your back garden? Or maybe you rent an allotment plot? | |||
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Unleashed Kraken asked for examples so I provided a link. You really seem to have your knickers in a twist about this Jim. Did the link touch a nerve? Maybe you are one of those lazy farmers who likes to sponge off the EU CAP, milking the EU gravy train for all its worth and now you're scared you're going to lose it? It really is ok to admit it if that's how you feel.
What was that about playing the man, not the ball?
I've posted before about farming, and I've made it clear that I neither own land or claim subsidy.
If you've actually bothered to read my posts on this thread, you will see that I'd already written that there is a case for the removal of subsidy altogether.
What I am disputing is the utterly ridiculous assertion that removal of subsidy will be good for the environment and that the CAP has been bad for it - which is why I talked about environmental schemes that fall under it.
You know as well as I do that ideologically pro Brexit, but unlike you I can judge individual arguments on their merits, wheras you jump on any old pro-Brexit bullshit and spout it verbatim without having applied any critical analysis to it and it makes you look like a moron.
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"How about I remain a farmer and know what is going on in my own industry".
So you're a farmer but you don't own any land and you don't claim any subsidy? What exactly do you farm then? Is it a vegetable patch in your back garden? Or maybe you rent an allotment plot? "How much land does hannan farm if he claims to know more than the NFU? | |||
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Unleashed Kraken asked for examples so I provided a link. You really seem to have your knickers in a twist about this Jim. Did the link touch a nerve? Maybe you are one of those lazy farmers who likes to sponge off the EU CAP, milking the EU gravy train for all its worth and now you're scared you're going to lose it? It really is ok to admit it if that's how you feel.
What was that about playing the man, not the ball?
I've posted before about farming, and I've made it clear that I neither own land or claim subsidy.
If you've actually bothered to read my posts on this thread, you will see that I'd already written that there is a case for the removal of subsidy altogether.
What I am disputing is the utterly ridiculous assertion that removal of subsidy will be good for the environment and that the CAP has been bad for it - which is why I talked about environmental schemes that fall under it.
You know as well as I do that ideologically pro Brexit, but unlike you I can judge individual arguments on their merits, wheras you jump on any old pro-Brexit bullshit and spout it verbatim without having applied any critical analysis to it and it makes you look like a moron.
Earlier in the thread you said, and I quote you directly....
"How about I remain a farmer and know what is going on in my own industry".
So you're a farmer but you don't own any land and you don't claim any subsidy? What exactly do you farm then? Is it a vegetable patch in your back garden? Or maybe you rent an allotment plot?
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"I didn't call you a xenophobe, that was aimed at oldercannotgetyounger, seeing as he was the one who attacked Daniel Hannan for his place of birth and his religious heritage, maybe if you paid more attention and follow the thread properly you would've realised that. Actually you did, I will magnanimously accept your all be it back handed apology for your unintentional false claim that I had made a xenophobic statement." No I didn't. There is no apology because I have nothing to apologise to you for. I suggest you go back and read the comments again. Even oldercannotgetyounger realised the comment was aimed at him, not you, and pulled you up on it. The only comment I aimed at you was that you're guilty of playing the man rather than the ball, and by your own admission you haven't even bothered to watch the video in the link. | |||
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As for homophobic comments I've seen none on this thread from anyone so no idea what you are jabbering on about there???????????????
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Unleashed Kraken asked for examples so I provided a link. You really seem to have your knickers in a twist about this Jim. Did the link touch a nerve? Maybe you are one of those lazy farmers who likes to sponge off the EU CAP, milking the EU gravy train for all its worth and now you're scared you're going to lose it? It really is ok to admit it if that's how you feel.
What was that about playing the man, not the ball?
I've posted before about farming, and I've made it clear that I neither own land or claim subsidy.
If you've actually bothered to read my posts on this thread, you will see that I'd already written that there is a case for the removal of subsidy altogether.
What I am disputing is the utterly ridiculous assertion that removal of subsidy will be good for the environment and that the CAP has been bad for it - which is why I talked about environmental schemes that fall under it.
You know as well as I do that ideologically pro Brexit, but unlike you I can judge individual arguments on their merits, wheras you jump on any old pro-Brexit bullshit and spout it verbatim without having applied any critical analysis to it and it makes you look like a moron.
Earlier in the thread you said, and I quote you directly....
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So you're a farmer but you don't own any land and you don't claim any subsidy? What exactly do you farm then? Is it a vegetable patch in your back garden? Or maybe you rent an allotment plot? "I rented about 300ac in summer and nigh on 600 in winter...... Sheep, is what I farmed - I had a 400 ewe flock.... | |||
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I pulled no one up...i pointed out ....but reading it back i did thi nk you attacked him....and as for my supposedly homophobic comments.... i was mearly pointing out that this Tory?ukipper asshole aint even from the UK..or was born here...yet he depraves other immigrants the same privilege as to what was afforded him....not thats hypocritical....and he was elect to represent from indise not take the fucking money and not bother...and if you believe hes right to do that then your a hypocrite as well
Homophobic? No-one called you homophobic.
It was xenophobic (the fear and distrust of that which is perceived to be foreign or strange).
And when you use language like 'asshole aint even from the UK..or was born here' it reinforces that!
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Pointed it out/pulled him up, who gives a fuck, pedantic much?
As for homophobic comments I've seen none on this thread from anyone so no idea what you are jabbering on about there???????????????
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"Why would I listen to a man who has taken money to represent his constituency in the European Parliament and not done so but spent his time doing the same as Farage attempting to destroy the EU from the inside. Because that is what his constituents elected him for and is the very reason why they voted for him. His constituents will be aware he is a Eurosceptic and it's his intention to take the UK out of the EU, that's why they voted for him and is the same reason I would've voted for him if I lived in his constituency. Daniel Hannan has done a great first class job of representing his constituents who want out of the EU. Well that's not really true is it? He stood as a Conservative at the last EU elections and, as the EU elections are held using Propositional Representation based on a party list his own personal views are not relevant, only the Party View, as set out in the manifesto, is what counts and the Conservative Party at the time of the last EU elections was committed to remaining in the EU. It's also incorrect because he is meant to represent all his constituents, both those that wanted to leave the EU and those that wanted to remain and he can only do that by turning up and voting in debates in the way he believes to be in their best interests. By not turning up at all he's not actually representing anyone on anything. Daniel Hannan's Eurosceptic views and opinions have been known by the general public for many years. At least over the last 2 European MEP elections his views have been public knowledge, he's been airing his views on programmes like BBC Question Time for many years dating back over at least 2 European MEP elections. " And, if he'd been standing for the Westminster Parliament, clearly claiming to be a Eurosceptic, you would have a valid point. In fact if he'd stoop for UKIP in the EU elections you'd have a point. But he did neither of those things. What he actually did was stand for a pro EU party with a pro EU manifesto in an election where no one could actually vote for him but could only vote for party. There is absolutely no way he can claim any personal mandate in a PR system based on a party list system. (Which, incidentally, is one of the reasons why I'm so opposed to anything like the system used for the EU elections being used for Westminster or any other elections in the UK and would have liked to see a better system, that does allow for individual candidates' mandates, for the EU elections to.) | |||
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"Bullshit statements get trotted out on this forum daily. "Britain can't feed itself" "we'd all have starved to death during the war if it wasn't for the convoys". Utter utter bollocks. We grow 25 million tonnes of cereals alone in the UK, which equates to 3000 calories per person, which is a 1000 calories more than you should be eating you fat cunts. Goodnight "And how much of it is milling grain? | |||
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"Bullshit statements get trotted out on this forum daily. "Britain can't feed itself" "we'd all have starved to death during the war if it wasn't for the convoys". Utter utter bollocks. We grow 25 million tonnes of cereals alone in the UK, which equates to 3000 calories per person, which is a 1000 calories more than you should be eating you fat cunts. Goodnight "The environmentalist who was on sky news debating ex Lib dem leader Tim Farron a few days ago about the EU CAP said the UK exports around 40% of its food produce to the EU each year. Yes we import a lot of food but we also export a lot of food too. Of course though remainers don't talk about the export figures they only trot out what we import to make out we're dependent on imports. I saw that little exchange you highlighted on the Foreign aid thread and the thread went on to talk about Africa. What no one mentioned there though is how the EU CAP has been an unmitigated disaster for African farmers and Daniel Hannan MEP also touched on this in the youtube video link i provided earlier in the thread (for those who actually bothered to watch it). The EU CAP freezes African farmers out of the EU market (good old EU protectionism at its finest) and this perpetuates poverty in Africa, which makes many parts of Africa dependent on foreign aid and charity. | |||
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"Bullshit statements get trotted out on this forum daily. "Britain can't feed itself" "we'd all have starved to death during the war if it wasn't for the convoys". Utter utter bollocks. We grow 25 million tonnes of cereals alone in the UK, which equates to 3000 calories per person, which is a 1000 calories more than you should be eating you fat cunts. Goodnight
The environmentalist who was on sky news debating ex Lib dem leader Tim Farron a few days ago about the EU CAP said the UK exports around 40% of its food produce to the EU each year. Yes we import a lot of food but we also export a lot of food too. Of course though remainers don't talk about the export figures they only trot out what we import to make out we're dependent on imports. I saw that little exchange you highlighted on the Foreign aid thread and the thread went on to talk about Africa. What no one mentioned there though is how the EU CAP has been an unmitigated disaster for African farmers and Daniel Hannan MEP also touched on this in the youtube video link i provided earlier in the thread (for those who actually bothered to watch it). The EU CAP freezes African farmers out of the EU market (good old EU protectionism at its finest) and this perpetuates poverty in Africa, which makes many parts of Africa dependent on foreign aid and charity. "Centy we export a lot of food but it is high quality high value foodstufs. the fact is we need to import some 45% 50 50 % of our food needs because even if we converted to a 100% veterinarian diet which is the most efficient way to feed our population there would still be a production shortfall of near 30% (and that is supposing all farm land could be converted to arable farming which it can not). Truth is we cannot be self sufficient in food production, it is a simple matter of numbers. I wish it were different, but it is not and to pretend otherwise is to lie to and deceive ourselves. Never a good idea, it always ends in tears. | |||
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"Bullshit statements get trotted out on this forum daily. "Britain can't feed itself" "we'd all have starved to death during the war if it wasn't for the convoys". Utter utter bollocks. We grow 25 million tonnes of cereals alone in the UK, which equates to 3000 calories per person, which is a 1000 calories more than you should be eating you fat cunts. Goodnight
And how much of it is milling grain?
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And how much of it is milling grain?
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And how much of it is milling grain?
And not all cereals are used for human consumption..."That was my point - we are very poor at producing wheat for direct consumption. Traditionally, we imported it from the empire (notably Canada). We grow a lot of fodder crops. We produce a surplus of very little, hence not being self sufficient. | |||
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"Somebody better define "self sufficient". Are we incapable of growing enough food for the population? No, nobody is going to starve in the UK, the ground is fertile and highly productive.... It's nothing like the conversation about aid and Africa, Ethiopias population has gone from about 20 million to 120 million in 60 years while it could sustain 20 million it's never going to sustain 120 million and growing, same with Sudan. The population of the UK has gone from 50 million to 66 million in that same time and pretty much all from immigration and yes it's still possible to self sustain the UK's population. In fact if you ask any medical professional the healthiest any UK citizen has been was during the war and just after due to eating just enough food (rationing) and plenty of physical exercise (you grew your own). So let's get this straight, nobody is going to starve from a lack of food grown here regardless of what happens or not with brexit. Although I'll admit some fancy Dan coffee drinkers might suffer "So after Brexit we can no longer have tea or coffee? No more bananas, no chocloate, no Brazil nuts, no wine, no oranges etc? Why didn't anyone write that on a bus? Fuck it, why not just build a wall around the UK and make the EU pay for it! | |||
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"Somebody better define "self sufficient". Are we incapable of growing enough food for the population? No, nobody is going to starve in the UK, the ground is fertile and highly productive.... It's nothing like the conversation about aid and Africa, Ethiopias population has gone from about 20 million to 120 million in 60 years while it could sustain 20 million it's never going to sustain 120 million and growing, same with Sudan. The population of the UK has gone from 50 million to 66 million in that same time and pretty much all from immigration and yes it's still possible to self sustain the UK's population. In fact if you ask any medical professional the healthiest any UK citizen has been was during the war and just after due to eating just enough food (rationing) and plenty of physical exercise (you grew your own). So let's get this straight, nobody is going to starve from a lack of food grown here regardless of what happens or not with brexit. Although I'll admit some fancy Dan coffee drinkers might suffer
So after Brexit we can no longer have tea or coffee? No more bananas, no chocloate, no Brazil nuts, no wine, no oranges etc? Why didn't anyone write that on a bus? Fuck it, why not just build a wall around the UK and make the EU pay for it! "Just lay Farage and Johnson lies end to end, you'll have a wall 47 foot high and 5000 miles long | |||
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"Just to be clear Centy, this is not a matter of political difference. This is a matter of survival and survival of our nation. A nation I am sworn to protect (and yes I still hold my Oath of Allegiance sacrosanct). Only a fool would risk their country and every one of their country men and women to score a political point and this is why i am so anti UKIP and the current crop of Tories. They both put party and ideology above country. I really hope that if in nothing else I get through to you in this and you understand that above all else I put my country fist." I also put country before party, I've been a ukip supporter since around 2004 but I had to put the country first and voted Conservative in 2017 (even though I would have preferred to vote ukip). Getting Brexit delivered now is in the best long term interest of the UK, before we become swallowed up by a Federal European Superstate and have all of our sovereignty taken away, and make no mistake that is where the EU is heading. By wanting to keep the UK in the EU you are actually advocating the destruction of this country as we know it. As for the hysterical reactions from remainers about food imports, then no one here has suggested or is suggesting all food imports should stop after Brexit, Food will continue to be imported after Brexit along with many other goods from all over the world, not just the EU, just as we will continue to export our own goods all over the world. | |||
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"No positive reply Centaur you disappoint me although I have to admit I am not surprised. Shame really I though you would at least be willing to admit that you share my love for and absolute loyalty to our country. Seems I overestimated you on that. I think our conversions have now reached an end. And to be clear I checked to see when you were last online before posting this." Just because it says I'm online it doesn't necessarily mean I'm active on here. I leave my account logged in even when I'm not using it. Even when I am on here I don't spend every moment looking at the forum either like some appear to, the main reason I'm on this site is to meet other swingers, the forum is just a sideshow. I also love this country and am loyal to it, and I absolutely believe it is in the best interests of the UK to get out of the EU. You have a different opinion and if you want the UK to be swallowed up by a Federal European superstate that's fine, I don't! | |||
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"Somebody better define "self sufficient". Are we incapable of growing enough food for the population? No, nobody is going to starve in the UK, the ground is fertile and highly productive.... It's nothing like the conversation about aid and Africa, Ethiopias population has gone from about 20 million to 120 million in 60 years while it could sustain 20 million it's never going to sustain 120 million and growing, same with Sudan. The population of the UK has gone from 50 million to 66 million in that same time and pretty much all from immigration and yes it's still possible to self sustain the UK's population. In fact if you ask any medical professional the healthiest any UK citizen has been was during the war and just after due to eating just enough food (rationing) and plenty of physical exercise (you grew your own). So let's get this straight, nobody is going to starve from a lack of food grown here regardless of what happens or not with brexit. Although I'll admit some fancy Dan coffee drinkers might suffer
So after Brexit we can no longer have tea or coffee? No more bananas, no chocloate, no Brazil nuts, no wine, no oranges etc? Why didn't anyone write that on a bus? Fuck it, why not just build a wall around the UK and make the EU pay for it!
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"Hannan himself said we were a importer of food. I assumed he meant bet but you can never tell with these MPs. How does the new post EU support help Africa ? How does not being in the EU help Africa ? How is the CAP artificially increasing prices yet also under cutting Africa ? " By not being in the EU the UK can strike free trade deals with many parts of Africa and we can import more food from Africa. This will be cheaper than buying food from the EU and will also help African farmers to develop, employ more people, take more people out of poverty in Africa and make them less dependant on foreign aid in the long term. The EU single market/customs union is protectionist in nature and the CAP freezes African farmers out of the EU market place. | |||
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So after Brexit we can no longer have tea or coffee? No more bananas, no chocloate, no Brazil nuts, no wine, no oranges etc? Why didn't anyone write that on a bus? Fuck it, why not just build a wall around the UK and make the EU pay for it!
Just lay Farage and Johnson lies end to end, you'll have a wall 47 foot high and 5000 miles long .....Add Corbyn into the mix and you could build turrets every twenty metres."Don't forget the little red flags on Corbyn's turrets | |||
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So after Brexit we can no longer have tea or coffee? No more bananas, no chocloate, no Brazil nuts, no wine, no oranges etc? Why didn't anyone write that on a bus? Fuck it, why not just build a wall around the UK and make the EU pay for it!
Just lay Farage and Johnson lies end to end, you'll have a wall 47 foot high and 5000 miles long .....Add Corbyn into the mix and you could build turrets every twenty metres.
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It's got nothing to do with Brexit. The UK has not been self sufficient since the mid 19th century.". I'll dig out a book by a Scottish guy I read twenty years ago, the reality is that the UK grew around 14 times the calorific value required by the then population!. Sure if you want a shit load of beef and pork then the rate drops massively as a large part of your produce goes to feeding livestock. Hence why China in the main never did livestock | |||
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It's got nothing to do with Brexit. The UK has not been self sufficient since the mid 19th century..
I'll dig out a book by a Scottish guy I read twenty years ago, the reality is that the UK grew around 14 times the calorific value required by the then population!.
Sure if you want a shit load of beef and pork then the rate drops massively as a large part of your produce goes to feeding livestock.
Hence why China in the main never did livestock "What has that got to do with anything? As has been said - most of the arable we grow is not for human consumption. We are a net importer of pork and beef too. It's not as simple as calculating the caloric values of raw produce. Why do you think rationing only stopped in 1954? | |||
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It's got nothing to do with Brexit. The UK has not been self sufficient since the mid 19th century..
I'll dig out a book by a Scottish guy I read twenty years ago, the reality is that the UK grew around 14 times the calorific value required by the then population!.
Sure if you want a shit load of beef and pork then the rate drops massively as a large part of your produce goes to feeding livestock.
Hence why China in the main never did livestock
What has that got to do with anything? As has been said - most of the arable we grow is not for human consumption. We are a net importer of pork and beef too.
It's not as simple as calculating the caloric values of raw produce.
Why do you think rationing only stopped in 1954?". Because we have a mixed dietary taste, it's got nothing to do with being able to be self sufficient in food. You can just do the maths on hectares of land X yield X population, were easily self sustainable in food production!!. Sure you might not get milk but then you won't have tea to put it in but that's by the by on the argument of not being able to grow enough food | |||
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It's got nothing to do with Brexit. The UK has not been self sufficient since the mid 19th century..
I'll dig out a book by a Scottish guy I read twenty years ago, the reality is that the UK grew around 14 times the calorific value required by the then population!.
Sure if you want a shit load of beef and pork then the rate drops massively as a large part of your produce goes to feeding livestock.
Hence why China in the main never did livestock "magic answer is: insect farming | |||
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It seems you didn't actually read what I wrote. By making African farmers richer through free trade they can develop the land better, invest in better agricultural equipment, employ more people and farm larger areas and as a result produce more food, not only for export but also for themselves. "But they can only make themselves richer by selling us their food, right? Selling food to their existing customers wouldn't make them any richer, would it. Jesus, you really don't think this shit through do you? | |||
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It's got nothing to do with Brexit. The UK has not been self sufficient since the mid 19th century..
I'll dig out a book by a Scottish guy I read twenty years ago, the reality is that the UK grew around 14 times the calorific value required by the then population!.
Sure if you want a shit load of beef and pork then the rate drops massively as a large part of your produce goes to feeding livestock.
Hence why China in the main never did livestock
What has that got to do with anything? As has been said - most of the arable we grow is not for human consumption. We are a net importer of pork and beef too.
It's not as simple as calculating the caloric values of raw produce.
Why do you think rationing only stopped in 1954?.
Because we have a mixed dietary taste, it's got nothing to do with being able to be self sufficient in food.
You can just do the maths on hectares of land X yield X population, were easily self sustainable in food production!!.
Sure you might not get milk but then you won't have tea to put it in but that's by the by on the argument of not being able to grow enough food"The statement wasn't "We can't be self-sufficient"; but "we aren't self-sufficient". I'm sure we could be if people were prepared to eat poor quality bread, not eat many fruits and veg that we now take for granted, ate more offal, grew more food, kept more small livestock. But they aren't, so we aren't self-sufficient. So; a hypothetical isolationist future and large scale return to at least part-time peasantry by many more people aside, we will continue to import stuff post-Brexit whatever happens. | |||
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It's got nothing to do with Brexit. The UK has not been self sufficient since the mid 19th century..
I'll dig out a book by a Scottish guy I read twenty years ago, the reality is that the UK grew around 14 times the calorific value required by the then population!.
Sure if you want a shit load of beef and pork then the rate drops massively as a large part of your produce goes to feeding livestock.
Hence why China in the main never did livestock
What has that got to do with anything? As has been said - most of the arable we grow is not for human consumption. We are a net importer of pork and beef too.
It's not as simple as calculating the caloric values of raw produce.
Why do you think rationing only stopped in 1954?.
Because we have a mixed dietary taste, it's got nothing to do with being able to be self sufficient in food.
You can just do the maths on hectares of land X yield X population, were easily self sustainable in food production!!.
Sure you might not get milk but then you won't have tea to put it in but that's by the by on the argument of not being able to grow enough food
The statement wasn't "We can't be self-sufficient"; but "we aren't self-sufficient".
I'm sure we could be if people were prepared to eat poor quality bread, not eat many fruits and veg that we now take for granted, ate more offal, grew more food, kept more small livestock.
But they aren't, so we aren't self-sufficient.
So; a hypothetical isolationist future and large scale return to at least part-time peasantry by many more people aside, we will continue to import stuff post-Brexit whatever happens. "We cannot sustainably produce enough food to feed the British population. In fact the last time we were self sufficient in 1968 and to do that we had to use intensive farming methods, the ecological done in that era is still having to be addressed as we come to understand ecosystems better. | |||
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That's just a pipe dream mate
I'm a big fan of dreamers like Jeff bezos CEO of Amazon who has just invested a few hundred million in vertical farming. "Maybe I should've put a big LOL on that comment. Either way I think this LED, hydroponics thing is just a massive smoke screen for a joint venture. | |||
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That's just a pipe dream mate
I'm a big fan of dreamers like Jeff bezos CEO of Amazon who has just invested a few hundred million in vertical farming.
Maybe I should've put a big LOL on that comment. Either way I think this LED, hydroponics thing is just a massive smoke screen for a joint venture. "You could be right.As a green voter I'm all for it. | |||
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That's just a pipe dream mate
I'm a big fan of dreamers like Jeff bezos CEO of Amazon who has just invested a few hundred million in vertical farming.
Maybe I should've put a big LOL on that comment. Either way I think this LED, hydroponics thing is just a massive smoke screen for a joint venture. You could be right.As a green voter I'm all for it. "Well, if it doesn't all go up in smoke we can always use it to make rope. | |||
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"Hannan himself said we were a importer of food. I assumed he meant bet but you can never tell with these MPs. How does the new post EU support help Africa ? How does not being in the EU help Africa ? How is the CAP artificially increasing prices yet also under cutting Africa ? By not being in the EU the UK can strike free trade deals with many parts of Africa and we can import more food from Africa. This will be cheaper than buying food from the EU and will also help African farmers to develop, employ more people, take more people out of poverty in Africa and make them less dependant on foreign aid in the long term. The EU single market/customs union is protectionist in nature and the CAP freezes African farmers out of the EU market place. " How many African countries don’t have free trade deals with the Eu ? (Excluding arms). | |||
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""The UK can be self sufficient, there's enough cereal grown to give everyone 3000 calories a day. QED" It'll be interesting to watch an entire country get scurvy. " The UK produces tonnes of fruit, mainly apples and pears, a lot of this produce goes into the UK Cider making industry though, but if we did need to be self sufficient you may have less cider and more apples and pears. We also produce a lot of strawberries, blackberries and raspberries, just take a look at how many polytunnels you see in the countryside during the summer. The South of England has also seen an increase in vineyards in recent years with increasing temperatures, and grapes grown there go into the UK wine making process. Not only fruit the UK has a very good climate for growing vegetables. We are a chip and crisp loving nation and the vast majority of potatoes for crisps and chips consumed in this country are grown here in the UK. Walkers crisps for instance sources all of its potatoes for its crisps from here in the UK, same for McCain chips. To suggest people would get scurvy is ridiculous in the extreme. | |||
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""The UK can be self sufficient, there's enough cereal grown to give everyone 3000 calories a day. QED" It'll be interesting to watch an entire country get scurvy. The UK produces tonnes of fruit, mainly apples and pears, a lot of this produce goes into the UK Cider making industry though, but if we did need to be self sufficient you may have less cider and more apples and pears. We also produce a lot of strawberries, blackberries and raspberries, just take a look at how many polytunnels you see in the countryside during the summer. The South of England has also seen an increase in vineyards in recent years with increasing temperatures, and grapes grown there go into the UK wine making process. Not only fruit the UK has a very good climate for growing vegetables. We are a chip and crisp loving nation and the vast majority of potatoes for crisps and chips consumed in this country are grown here in the UK. Walkers crisps for instance sources all of its potatoes for its crisps from here in the UK, same for McCain chips. To suggest people would get scurvy is ridiculous in the extreme. " That isn't the answer, but nice try. Townies. | |||
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""The UK can be self sufficient, there's enough cereal grown to give everyone 3000 calories a day. QED" It'll be interesting to watch an entire country get scurvy. The UK produces tonnes of fruit, mainly apples and pears, a lot of this produce goes into the UK Cider making industry though, but if we did need to be self sufficient you may have less cider and more apples and pears. We also produce a lot of strawberries, blackberries and raspberries, just take a look at how many polytunnels you see in the countryside during the summer. The South of England has also seen an increase in vineyards in recent years with increasing temperatures, and grapes grown there go into the UK wine making process. Not only fruit the UK has a very good climate for growing vegetables. We are a chip and crisp loving nation and the vast majority of potatoes for crisps and chips consumed in this country are grown here in the UK. Walkers crisps for instance sources all of its potatoes for its crisps from here in the UK, same for McCain chips. To suggest people would get scurvy is ridiculous in the extreme. " Dreamer | |||
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""The UK can be self sufficient, there's enough cereal grown to give everyone 3000 calories a day. QED" It'll be interesting to watch an entire country get scurvy. The UK produces tonnes of fruit, mainly apples and pears, a lot of this produce goes into the UK Cider making industry though, but if we did need to be self sufficient you may have less cider and more apples and pears. We also produce a lot of strawberries, blackberries and raspberries, just take a look at how many polytunnels you see in the countryside during the summer. The South of England has also seen an increase in vineyards in recent years with increasing temperatures, and grapes grown there go into the UK wine making process. Not only fruit the UK has a very good climate for growing vegetables. We are a chip and crisp loving nation and the vast majority of potatoes for crisps and chips consumed in this country are grown here in the UK. Walkers crisps for instance sources all of its potatoes for its crisps from here in the UK, same for McCain chips. To suggest people would get scurvy is ridiculous in the extreme. " Now, I want you to stay with me as best you can on this, but has it occurred to you that by using a bit of hyperbole to highlight why the simplistic reasoning being used to try and claim the UK could feed itself I wasn't seriously suggesting all of the UK would actually get scurvy. It'd just be the poors, obviously. | |||
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""The UK can be self sufficient, there's enough cereal grown to give everyone 3000 calories a day. QED" It'll be interesting to watch an entire country get scurvy. The UK produces tonnes of fruit, mainly apples and pears, a lot of this produce goes into the UK Cider making industry though, but if we did need to be self sufficient you may have less cider and more apples and pears. We also produce a lot of strawberries, blackberries and raspberries, just take a look at how many polytunnels you see in the countryside during the summer. The South of England has also seen an increase in vineyards in recent years with increasing temperatures, and grapes grown there go into the UK wine making process. Not only fruit the UK has a very good climate for growing vegetables. We are a chip and crisp loving nation and the vast majority of potatoes for crisps and chips consumed in this country are grown here in the UK. Walkers crisps for instance sources all of its potatoes for its crisps from here in the UK, same for McCain chips. To suggest people would get scurvy is ridiculous in the extreme. That isn't the answer, but nice try. Townies. "I don't live in a town. I live on the edge of Cannock Chase forest, but nice try. | |||
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""The UK can be self sufficient, there's enough cereal grown to give everyone 3000 calories a day. QED" It'll be interesting to watch an entire country get scurvy. The UK produces tonnes of fruit, mainly apples and pears, a lot of this produce goes into the UK Cider making industry though, but if we did need to be self sufficient you may have less cider and more apples and pears. We also produce a lot of strawberries, blackberries and raspberries, just take a look at how many polytunnels you see in the countryside during the summer. The South of England has also seen an increase in vineyards in recent years with increasing temperatures, and grapes grown there go into the UK wine making process. Not only fruit the UK has a very good climate for growing vegetables. We are a chip and crisp loving nation and the vast majority of potatoes for crisps and chips consumed in this country are grown here in the UK. Walkers crisps for instance sources all of its potatoes for its crisps from here in the UK, same for McCain chips. To suggest people would get scurvy is ridiculous in the extreme. Now, I want you to stay with me as best you can on this, but has it occurred to you that by using a bit of hyperbole to highlight why the simplistic reasoning being used to try and claim the UK could feed itself I wasn't seriously suggesting all of the UK would actually get scurvy. It'd just be the poors, obviously." None of your posts appear to be serious, stay with me as best you can on this, but I thought I'd humour you and play along. | |||
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"If only apples and pears had comparable vitamin c to an orange ... Just take a multi vitamin tablet, you'll get your vitamin C hit with a lot more benefits besides. "meta analysis suggests there is as much harm as good from popping vitamin pills. Let’s hope the UK export more vitamin pills than they import ... | |||
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""The UK can be self sufficient, there's enough cereal grown to give everyone 3000 calories a day. QED" It'll be interesting to watch an entire country get scurvy. The UK produces tonnes of fruit, mainly apples and pears, a lot of this produce goes into the UK Cider making industry though, but if we did need to be self sufficient you may have less cider and more apples and pears. We also produce a lot of strawberries, blackberries and raspberries, just take a look at how many polytunnels you see in the countryside during the summer. The South of England has also seen an increase in vineyards in recent years with increasing temperatures, and grapes grown there go into the UK wine making process. Not only fruit the UK has a very good climate for growing vegetables. We are a chip and crisp loving nation and the vast majority of potatoes for crisps and chips consumed in this country are grown here in the UK. Walkers crisps for instance sources all of its potatoes for its crisps from here in the UK, same for McCain chips. To suggest people would get scurvy is ridiculous in the extreme. That isn't the answer, but nice try. Townies.
I don't live in a town. I live on the edge of Cannock Chase forest, but nice try. "Not much agriculture around Cannock lol....your a townie | |||
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""The UK can be self sufficient, there's enough cereal grown to give everyone 3000 calories a day. QED" It'll be interesting to watch an entire country get scurvy. The UK produces tonnes of fruit, mainly apples and pears, a lot of this produce goes into the UK Cider making industry though, but if we did need to be self sufficient you may have less cider and more apples and pears. We also produce a lot of strawberries, blackberries and raspberries, just take a look at how many polytunnels you see in the countryside during the summer. The South of England has also seen an increase in vineyards in recent years with increasing temperatures, and grapes grown there go into the UK wine making process. Not only fruit the UK has a very good climate for growing vegetables. We are a chip and crisp loving nation and the vast majority of potatoes for crisps and chips consumed in this country are grown here in the UK. Walkers crisps for instance sources all of its potatoes for its crisps from here in the UK, same for McCain chips. To suggest people would get scurvy is ridiculous in the extreme. That isn't the answer, but nice try. Townies.
I don't live in a town. I live on the edge of Cannock Chase forest, but nice try.
Not much agriculture around Cannock lol....your a townie "There is actually a lot of agriculture around here, there is a farm less than a mile away from where I live. Yet again you prove you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. | |||
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""The UK can be self sufficient, there's enough cereal grown to give everyone 3000 calories a day. QED" It'll be interesting to watch an entire country get scurvy. The UK produces tonnes of fruit, mainly apples and pears, a lot of this produce goes into the UK Cider making industry though, but if we did need to be self sufficient you may have less cider and more apples and pears. We also produce a lot of strawberries, blackberries and raspberries, just take a look at how many polytunnels you see in the countryside during the summer. The South of England has also seen an increase in vineyards in recent years with increasing temperatures, and grapes grown there go into the UK wine making process. Not only fruit the UK has a very good climate for growing vegetables. We are a chip and crisp loving nation and the vast majority of potatoes for crisps and chips consumed in this country are grown here in the UK. Walkers crisps for instance sources all of its potatoes for its crisps from here in the UK, same for McCain chips. To suggest people would get scurvy is ridiculous in the extreme. That isn't the answer, but nice try. Townies.
I don't live in a town. I live on the edge of Cannock Chase forest, but nice try.
Not much agriculture around Cannock lol....your a townie
There is actually a lot of agriculture around here, there is a farm less than a mile away from where I live. Yet again you prove you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. "oh i do know i've been [plenty of times there | |||
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