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"Who has the legal power to call a referendum on independence? " CLCC thats piss poor even for you You should know fine well anyone can call a referendum Did you not witness the UK government calling an advisory EU referendum and then thinking its ok for them to dictate that they are taking the whole UK out of the EU This is why it wont be smart for the UK government to refuse a sectio9n 30 order when its handed in from the Scottish government So while you can gloat about who have power over the section 30 order being granted there is fuck all stopping Scotland having an adivsory referendum and if a yes vote comes through and the Uk government do a Madrid and the Scottish government could take it to the international courts So CLCC is it wise to ignore a mandate from the people and Scottish parilament or grant the section 30 order which passed through Holyrood btw and yes its still to be handed over to the UK government but the mandate is there i dare the UK government to block it i would love to see them try They wont hold Scotland people to ransom the more they push against the more people they will lose support for their union | |||
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"Who has the legal power to call a referendum on independence? CLCC thats piss poor even for you You should know fine well anyone can call a referendum Did you not witness the UK government calling an advisory EU referendum and then thinking its ok for them to dictate that they are taking the whole UK out of the EU This is why it wont be smart for the UK government to refuse a sectio9n 30 order when its handed in from the Scottish government So while you can gloat about who have power over the section 30 order being granted there is fuck all stopping Scotland having an adivsory referendum and if a yes vote comes through and the Uk government do a Madrid and the Scottish government could take it to the international courts So CLCC is it wise to ignore a mandate from the people and Scottish parilament or grant the section 30 order which passed through Holyrood btw and yes its still to be handed over to the UK government but the mandate is there i dare the UK government to block it i would love to see them try They wont hold Scotland people to ransom the more they push against the more people they will lose support for their union" Nope, only Westminster can. You know that kinky. We have been over this many many times. | |||
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"Who has the legal power to call a referendum on independence? CLCC thats piss poor even for you You should know fine well anyone can call a referendum Did you not witness the UK government calling an advisory EU referendum and then thinking its ok for them to dictate that they are taking the whole UK out of the EU This is why it wont be smart for the UK government to refuse a sectio9n 30 order when its handed in from the Scottish government So while you can gloat about who have power over the section 30 order being granted there is fuck all stopping Scotland having an adivsory referendum and if a yes vote comes through and the Uk government do a Madrid and the Scottish government could take it to the international courts So CLCC is it wise to ignore a mandate from the people and Scottish parilament or grant the section 30 order which passed through Holyrood btw and yes its still to be handed over to the UK government but the mandate is there i dare the UK government to block it i would love to see them try They wont hold Scotland people to ransom the more they push against the more people they will lose support for their union Nope, only Westminster can. You know that kinky. We have been over this many many times." You confused again ? Right lets try this one at a time CLCC to confirm are you saying to everyone on here that the UK government have power to stop a referendum ? Lmao thats me laughing at you btw You clearly dont know the different Want me to spell it out The UK government have the power to refuse a section 30 order which would grant a legally binding referendum The UK government have NO power to stop an advisory independence referendum Got it yet ? | |||
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"Laugh away. Westminister Parliament is sovereign, and the only body that can grant an indepence referendum. " Yeah i will lol Again ANYONe call hold a referendum the UK have no power to stop a referendum The UK government only have power to refuse a section 30 order which at this point has not be handed over from the Scottish government so there is nothing to refuse at this moment Out of interest are you one of those people in England that believes that the UK government should decide whether there should be a new Scottish independence referendum ? So you think 52% of people in Scotland are wrong that it should be upto the Scottish government ? Thats as close as you can get to being a dictatorship where another countries government think they know best for the Scottish people who are sovereign Did you forget we elect MP's and MSP's they work for us not the other way round | |||
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"I understand that constitution. Parliament is the sovereign body which can grant a legally binding referendum. No one else " Right you catching on yet The UK government cannot stop an advisory Scottish independence referendum correct ? The UK government only have power to refuse a section 30 order which would grant a legal binding referendum on independence correct ? So CLCC in your opinion are you one of those people in England that think the UK government should get to decide whether Scotland can have a new Scottish independence referendum ? Or should it be upto the Scottish government to decide if Scotland should have a new independence referendum ? Am just trying to work out if it really is people outside of Scotland thats trying to deny us the right to decide when we the people in Scotland can hold our own binding referendum ? | |||
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"My opinion makes no difference, it's the constitutional arrangements of this country that make the difference. In our system, parliament is supreme, and only parliament can grant a legally binding referendum. " Ok will you at least agree with me there is nothing stopping Scotland having an advisory independence referendum ? Again the only power the Uk government have is to refuse a section 30 order | |||
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"Oh ps aagain this is my opinion why is would be utterly foolish for the UK government to refuse a section 30 order Because the EU referendum was only an advisory referendum non binding but the UK seem to be hell bent on pressing ahead with taking the whole of the UK out of the EU So as i explained there is nothing wrong with Scotland then having their own advisory referendum and if its a yes vote then by the UK government logic of taking the whole of the UK out of the EU on an advisory referendum then they cant pick and choice what other advisory referendums have a yes vote So it would be in their interest to grant that section 30 order and then they can campaign to keep Scotland in the UK They keep on telling us Scotland doesnt want independence well then it shouldnt be hard to win another no vote then unless they are shit scared that people will vote for independence " So instead of a legally binding referendum in which the people of Scotland decide, you want a non-binding referendum in which MPs from all over the UK get to decide on Scotland's fate.  | |||
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"Oh ps aagain this is my opinion why is would be utterly foolish for the UK government to refuse a section 30 order Because the EU referendum was only an advisory referendum non binding but the UK seem to be hell bent on pressing ahead with taking the whole of the UK out of the EU So as i explained there is nothing wrong with Scotland then having their own advisory referendum and if its a yes vote then by the UK government logic of taking the whole of the UK out of the EU on an advisory referendum then they cant pick and choice what other advisory referendums have a yes vote So it would be in their interest to grant that section 30 order and then they can campaign to keep Scotland in the UK They keep on telling us Scotland doesnt want independence well then it shouldnt be hard to win another no vote then unless they are shit scared that people will vote for independence So instead of a legally binding referendum in which the people of Scotland decide, you want a non-binding referendum in which MPs from all over the UK get to decide on Scotland's fate. "Oh my god man lol Right in an advisory referendum on Scottish independence it again would only be for people living in Scotland that get to vote how bloody hard is that to understand lol Now i would prefer the UK government grant that section 30 order to have a legally binding independence referendum But if they refused which i think they would be mad to refuse that section order then there is nothing and i mean nothing the UK government can do to stop an advisory independence referendum and if a yes vote was to come back then how fucking stupid will that make the UK government look ? I mean think of it really think about it the UK government are trying to take the whole of the UK out on an advisory EU referendum then willing to ignore an advisory Scottish independence referendum yes vote It would be far more better and it would be in their interest just to grant the section 30 order and allow a legally binding independence referendum and campaign to keep Scotland in the UK if they believe Scotland doesnt want independence then it shouldnt be hard to win with a binding referendum on Scottish independence Not a smart move | |||
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"So the Scottish Parliament have a non-binding referendum, which says Scotland will leave the UK. Then what happens? What's the next step? Do Parliament in Westminster vote on it?" lol Let's just say Scotland has a non-binding advisory independence referendum right and the vote comes in saying a YES majority vote Am sure as hell the Scottish government would then take that result to the UK government and ask them to respect that vote if the UK government say they dont respect the vote as it was non-binding it would make the UK government look like as fucking joke Again the EU referendum was non binding but the UK government think they can take the whole of the UK out of the EU on that non-binding referendum do you not see how fucking stupid and dumb that would make the UK government look Also the Scottish government are well within their rights to then take that to international courts for them to decide | |||
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"So the Scottish Parliament have a non-binding referendum, which says Scotland will leave the UK. Then what happens? What's the next step? Do Parliament in Westminster vote on it? lol Let's just say Scotland has a non-binding advisory independence referendum right and the vote comes in saying a YES majority vote Am sure as hell the Scottish government would then take that result to the UK government and ask them to respect that vote if the UK government say they dont respect the vote as it was non-binding it would make the UK government look like as fucking joke Again the EU referendum was non binding but the UK government think they can take the whole of the UK out of the EU on that non-binding referendum do you not see how fucking stupid and dumb that would make the UK government look Also the Scottish government are well within their rights to then take that to international courts for them to decide " Parliament voted on the EU referendum. Which international court would Scotland take it to? | |||
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"So the Scottish Parliament have a non-binding referendum, which says Scotland will leave the UK. Then what happens? What's the next step? Do Parliament in Westminster vote on it? lol Let's just say Scotland has a non-binding advisory independence referendum right and the vote comes in saying a YES majority vote Am sure as hell the Scottish government would then take that result to the UK government and ask them to respect that vote if the UK government say they dont respect the vote as it was non-binding it would make the UK government look like as fucking joke Again the EU referendum was non binding but the UK government think they can take the whole of the UK out of the EU on that non-binding referendum do you not see how fucking stupid and dumb that would make the UK government look Also the Scottish government are well within their rights to then take that to international courts for them to decide Parliament voted on the EU referendum. Which international court would Scotland take it to? " Wow just wow You seem very hell bend on being anti democracy and no want Scotland's people to decide when and if we shall have an independence referendum its the way t comes across Again the EU referendum was a non binding referendum yet the UK government think they can take the whole of the UK out of the EU Scotland elected a party into the Scottish parilament on a manifesto policy to hold a referendum thats the first part of the mandate then the next part of that mandate came when in Holyrood their was a debate on a section 30 order and it democratically passed 69-59 thats the mandate from the Scottish parliament to given permission for the Scottish government to hand over a section 30 order document to the Uk government now your right when you say the UK government have the power to refuse the section 30 order and am telling you why that is foolish and plays into the pro independence side hands go please tell your PM do refuse it go on lol But May has ZERO legal means for her to stop a a non binding referendum They can go to any international court they want | |||
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"So the Scottish Parliament have a non-binding referendum, which says Scotland will leave the UK. Then what happens? What's the next step? Do Parliament in Westminster vote on it? lol Let's just say Scotland has a non-binding advisory independence referendum right and the vote comes in saying a YES majority vote Am sure as hell the Scottish government would then take that result to the UK government and ask them to respect that vote if the UK government say they dont respect the vote as it was non-binding it would make the UK government look like as fucking joke Again the EU referendum was non binding but the UK government think they can take the whole of the UK out of the EU on that non-binding referendum do you not see how fucking stupid and dumb that would make the UK government look Also the Scottish government are well within their rights to then take that to international courts for them to decide Parliament voted on the EU referendum. Which international court would Scotland take it to? Wow just wow You seem very hell bend on being anti democracy and no want Scotland's people to decide when and if we shall have an independence referendum its the way t comes across Again the EU referendum was a non binding referendum yet the UK government think they can take the whole of the UK out of the EU Scotland elected a party into the Scottish parilament on a manifesto policy to hold a referendum thats the first part of the mandate then the next part of that mandate came when in Holyrood their was a debate on a section 30 order and it democratically passed 69-59 thats the mandate from the Scottish parliament to given permission for the Scottish government to hand over a section 30 order document to the Uk government now your right when you say the UK government have the power to refuse the section 30 order and am telling you why that is foolish and plays into the pro independence side hands go please tell your PM do refuse it go on lol But May has ZERO legal means for her to stop a a non binding referendum They can go to any international court they want " Name one. | |||
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"So the Scottish Parliament have a non-binding referendum, which says Scotland will leave the UK. Then what happens? What's the next step? Do Parliament in Westminster vote on it? lol Let's just say Scotland has a non-binding advisory independence referendum right and the vote comes in saying a YES majority vote Am sure as hell the Scottish government would then take that result to the UK government and ask them to respect that vote if the UK government say they dont respect the vote as it was non-binding it would make the UK government look like as fucking joke Again the EU referendum was non binding but the UK government think they can take the whole of the UK out of the EU on that non-binding referendum do you not see how fucking stupid and dumb that would make the UK government look Also the Scottish government are well within their rights to then take that to international courts for them to decide Parliament voted on the EU referendum. Which international court would Scotland take it to? Wow just wow You seem very hell bend on being anti democracy and no want Scotland's people to decide when and if we shall have an independence referendum its the way t comes across Again the EU referendum was a non binding referendum yet the UK government think they can take the whole of the UK out of the EU Scotland elected a party into the Scottish parilament on a manifesto policy to hold a referendum thats the first part of the mandate then the next part of that mandate came when in Holyrood their was a debate on a section 30 order and it democratically passed 69-59 thats the mandate from the Scottish parliament to given permission for the Scottish government to hand over a section 30 order document to the Uk government now your right when you say the UK government have the power to refuse the section 30 order and am telling you why that is foolish and plays into the pro independence side hands go please tell your PM do refuse it go on lol But May has ZERO legal means for her to stop a a non binding referendum They can go to any international court they want Name one. " You want me to name one even though no referendum has taken place ? Hold on to that thought when and if we go down that road then you can ask me ok I cant go telling you who the Scottish government would go to they may not but you know fine well they can So which part of what i have said do you think i am wrong on ? That Scotland could have a non bnding referendum ? That Scottish government have a mandate from the people and the Scottish parliament ? Unionists may have you believe Nicola has handed in the section 30 order document but they would be wrong its still there ready and waiting to be send to the UK government So at this time the UK government has refused bugger all because the Scottish government still have that section order document And if the Scottish government choose to enact that section 30 order and sent it to Downing St and they refuse it again they Scotland could then hold an non binding referendum | |||
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"So you cant name which court would rule in such a case? Yet you still believe that's what would happen in the situation described in which Scotland voted to leave and Parliament voted against it. Ok, well can you name any countries which have been to any court to resolve a similar issue?" How can i if there has been no referendum for the Scottish government to go to any courts As for your other question just because there has not been any to my knowledge doesnt mean it cannot happen Question for you If Scotland voted to leave the UK in a non binding referendum are you saying that Scotland cannot go to international courts to get them to decide on the ruling ? | |||
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"So you cant name which court would rule in such a case? Yet you still believe that's what would happen in the situation described in which Scotland voted to leave and Parliament voted against it. Ok, well can you name any countries which have been to any court to resolve a similar issue? How can i if there has been no referendum for the Scottish government to go to any courts As for your other question just because there has not been any to my knowledge doesnt mean it cannot happen Question for you If Scotland voted to leave the UK in a non binding referendum are you saying that Scotland cannot go to international courts to get them to decide on the ruling ? " So you believe there is an international court, somewhere in the world, that you can't name, that has never ruled on a case, that would decide if Scotland could leave the UK without permission from the UK government? What is your source for believing this? | |||
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"So you cant name which court would rule in such a case? Yet you still believe that's what would happen in the situation described in which Scotland voted to leave and Parliament voted against it. Ok, well can you name any countries which have been to any court to resolve a similar issue? How can i if there has been no referendum for the Scottish government to go to any courts As for your other question just because there has not been any to my knowledge doesnt mean it cannot happen Question for you If Scotland voted to leave the UK in a non binding referendum are you saying that Scotland cannot go to international courts to get them to decide on the ruling ? So you believe there is an international court, somewhere in the world, that you can't name, that has never ruled on a case, that would decide if Scotland could leave the UK without permission from the UK government? What is your source for believing this? " Your doing it again not answering my questions | |||
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"So you cant name which court would rule in such a case? Yet you still believe that's what would happen in the situation described in which Scotland voted to leave and Parliament voted against it. Ok, well can you name any countries which have been to any court to resolve a similar issue? How can i if there has been no referendum for the Scottish government to go to any courts As for your other question just because there has not been any to my knowledge doesnt mean it cannot happen Question for you If Scotland voted to leave the UK in a non binding referendum are you saying that Scotland cannot go to international courts to get them to decide on the ruling ? So you believe there is an international court, somewhere in the world, that you can't name, that has never ruled on a case, that would decide if Scotland could leave the UK without permission from the UK government? What is your source for believing this? Your doing it again not answering my questions " I certainly don't know of any such court, that's why I'm asking you about it. So far we have the UK Parliament, and this as yet un-named court are the only bodies that can legally grant independence to Scotland. Is that right? | |||
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"He lives in fantasy land....thread after thread on Scottish independence....id call it wishful thinking...they guy will neither take advice or listen to others points...waste of time responding "Fantasy eh ? Ok what am i wrong about then ? Lol And its you lot that keep posting on the thread if Scottish independence wasnt a big deal then why is it we have alot of people post on these threads Surely with the UK safe you wouldnt need to defend it lol | |||
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"So OP, have we determined that the only 2 bodies capable of granting Scotland legal independence are the UK Parliament and is un-named court that has never made a ruling? Is that right? " Yeah i know this and dont know how many times this has to be explained to you Yes i know the UK government have power to grant or refuse a section 30 order however the UK government have no legal power to stop a non binding referendum on Scottish independence Again it wouldnt be wise for the UK government to refuse that section 30 order hell am even telling get your PM to block it she knows it would be daft to do it So CLCC going back are you one of the people in England that believe it should be the UK government deciding if Scotland can have a new independence referendum ? As clearly people in Scotland think our Scottish government should be the ones deciding if Scotland can hold a new independence referndum ? This should tell us what people in England will do to try and stop the Scottish people deciding our own future where the power should lie with the Scottish people not to a government we didnt vote for | |||
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"He lives in fantasy land....thread after thread on Scottish independence....id call it wishful thinking...they guy will neither take advice or listen to others points...waste of time responding "Exactly, even the SNP's deputy leader at Westminster admit's most people don't care about indy Blackman says she is not in Westminster to pressure the government for a referendum. “I don’t think most folk in their daily lives give two hoots about whether Scotland is a member of the union. The constitutional issues are not the biggest concern for an awful lot of people and, in fact, I very rarely talk about Scottish independence in the chamber, because I talk about things that matter to the people of Aberdeen.” https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/02/kirsty-blackman-excuse-me-id-rather-shake-hands-snp-deputy-leader-westminster | |||
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"So OP, have we determined that the only 2 bodies capable of granting Scotland legal independence are the UK Parliament and is un-named court that has never made a ruling? Is that right? Yeah i know this and dont know how many times this has to be explained to you Yes i know the UK government have power to grant or refuse a section 30 order however the UK government have no legal power to stop a non binding referendum on Scottish independence Again it wouldnt be wise for the UK government to refuse that section 30 order hell am even telling get your PM to block it she knows it would be daft to do it So CLCC going back are you one of the people in England that believe it should be the UK government deciding if Scotland can have a new independence referendum ? As clearly people in Scotland think our Scottish government should be the ones deciding if Scotland can hold a new independence referndum ? This should tell us what people in England will do to try and stop the Scottish people deciding our own future where the power should lie with the Scottish people not to a government we didnt vote for " So you agree that Parliament is the only body in the UK capable of granting a legally binding referendum. Great. I'm glad we got this sorted.  | |||
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"He lives in fantasy land....thread after thread on Scottish independence....id call it wishful thinking...they guy will neither take advice or listen to others points...waste of time responding
Exactly, even the SNP's deputy leader at Westminster admit's most people don't care about indy
Blackman says she is not in Westminster to pressure the government for a referendum. “I don’t think most folk in their daily lives give two hoots about whether Scotland is a member of the union. The constitutional issues are not the biggest concern for an awful lot of people and, in fact, I very rarely talk about Scottish independence in the chamber, because I talk about things that matter to the people of Aberdeen.”
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/02/kirsty-blackman-excuse-me-id-rather-shake-hands-snp-deputy-leader-westminster"Oh wait i didnt know that pro indy supporters had to agree with everything the SNP members say lol Oh wait unionists think its a cult lol If its true that most people that dont care about independence there is a wee problem with that as you would think the UK government would then jump at the chance to allow a binding referendum to take place and kill off independence Also the fact remains you cant change it no matter how much you want to the Scottish government have been given a mandate from the people of Scotland and yes even in Holyrood the parliament gave the Scottish government a mandate and permission to go to Westminster when they choose to with that section 30 order its there if need be thats democracy for you lol | |||
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"So OP, have we determined that the only 2 bodies capable of granting Scotland legal independence are the UK Parliament and is un-named court that has never made a ruling? Is that right? Yeah i know this and dont know how many times this has to be explained to you Yes i know the UK government have power to grant or refuse a section 30 order however the UK government have no legal power to stop a non binding referendum on Scottish independence Again it wouldnt be wise for the UK government to refuse that section 30 order hell am even telling get your PM to block it she knows it would be daft to do it So CLCC going back are you one of the people in England that believe it should be the UK government deciding if Scotland can have a new independence referendum ? As clearly people in Scotland think our Scottish government should be the ones deciding if Scotland can hold a new independence referndum ? This should tell us what people in England will do to try and stop the Scottish people deciding our own future where the power should lie with the Scottish people not to a government we didnt vote for So you agree that Parliament is the only body in the UK capable of granting a legally binding referendum. Great. I'm glad we got this sorted. "Care to now answer my questions | |||
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"Ask away" Look above see where the question marks is there are my questions to you that you serm to be ignoring lol | |||
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"He lives in fantasy land....thread after thread on Scottish independence....id call it wishful thinking...they guy will neither take advice or listen to others points...waste of time responding
Exactly, even the SNP's deputy leader at Westminster admit's most people don't care about indy
Blackman says she is not in Westminster to pressure the government for a referendum. “I don’t think most folk in their daily lives give two hoots about whether Scotland is a member of the union. The constitutional issues are not the biggest concern for an awful lot of people and, in fact, I very rarely talk about Scottish independence in the chamber, because I talk about things that matter to the people of Aberdeen.”
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Oh wait i didnt know that pro indy supporters had to agree with everything the SNP members say lol
Oh wait unionists think its a cult lol
If its true that most people that dont care about independence there is a wee problem with that as you would think the UK government would then jump at the chance to allow a binding referendum to take place and kill off independence
Also the fact remains you cant change it no matter how much you want to the Scottish government have been given a mandate from the people of Scotland and yes even in Holyrood the parliament gave the Scottish government a mandate and permission to go to Westminster when they choose to with that section 30 order its there if need be thats democracy for you lol
"You do though, we've seen you try to defend every single thing the SNP do. You'll never criticise a decision they make. It's not about whether you agree with them or not anyway, it's the fact one of the senior party members is speaking the truth by saying most people don't give two hoots about it. And while you sit on a swingers website all day (by the looks of it) ranting about indy, you have an SNP MP saying she barely mentions it. She also has a bit of a not very well disguised dig at Mhairi Black in the article as well  | |||
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"Ask away Look above see where the question marks is there are my questions to you that you serm to be ignoring lol " It's up to parliament to grant independence. We have established this. You even agreed! | |||
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"Ask away Look above see where the question marks is there are my questions to you that you serm to be ignoring lol It's up to parliament to grant independence. We have established this. You even agreed! " Again look above you have missed out answering question you accuse me of not answering question yet you do and other people have noticed it lol | |||
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"Ask away Look above see where the question marks is there are my questions to you that you serm to be ignoring lol It's up to parliament to grant independence. We have established this. You even agreed! Again look above you have missed out answering question you accuse me of not answering question yet you do and other people have noticed it lol " I answered the question above, like I said, ask a question and I'll answer it. | |||
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"No you did not Show your answer to these questions 1 So CLCC going back are you one of the people in England that believe it should be the UK government deciding if Scotland can have a new independence referendum ? 2. people in Scotland think our Scottish government should be the ones deciding if Scotland can hold a new independence referndum correct? " 1. We have already established that Parliament, not the UK government, is the only body that can grant an indepence referendum. 2. They are incorrect, that is not a devolved power. | |||
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"No you did not Show your answer to these questions 1 So CLCC going back are you one of the people in England that believe it should be the UK government deciding if Scotland can have a new independence referendum ? 2. people in Scotland think our Scottish government should be the ones deciding if Scotland can hold a new independence referndum correct? " matters not what they think, the reality is different.. is that so difficult to understand? | |||
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"No you did not Show your answer to these questions 1 So CLCC going back are you one of the people in England that believe it should be the UK government deciding if Scotland can have a new independence referendum ? 2. people in Scotland think our Scottish government should be the ones deciding if Scotland can hold a new independence referndum correct? 1. We have already established that Parliament, not the UK government, is the only body that can grant an indepence referendum. 2. They are incorrect, that is not a devolved power. " Jesus christ how hard is it Ok lets make it more simple for you just answer this one then 1 So CLCC in your opinion are you one of the people in England that believe it should be the UK government deciding if Scotland can have a new independence referendum YES or NO ? i dont wanna hear this pish about the Uk government have the power to grant or refuse a section 30 order i know this already that is not the question i am asking you | |||
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"No you did not Show your answer to these questions 1 So CLCC going back are you one of the people in England that believe it should be the UK government deciding if Scotland can have a new independence referendum ? 2. people in Scotland think our Scottish government should be the ones deciding if Scotland can hold a new independence referndum correct? 1. We have already established that Parliament, not the UK government, is the only body that can grant an indepence referendum. 2. They are incorrect, that is not a devolved power. Jesus christ how hard is it Ok lets make it more simple for you just answer this one then 1 So CLCC in your opinion are you one of the people in England that believe it should be the UK government deciding if Scotland can have a new independence referendum YES or NO ? i dont wanna hear this pish about the Uk government have the power to grant or refuse a section 30 order i know this already that is not the question i am asking you " I don't believe there should be constitutional change on this issue. Parliament is the sovereign body, and I think it should stay that way. | |||
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"No you did not Show your answer to these questions 1 So CLCC going back are you one of the people in England that believe it should be the UK government deciding if Scotland can have a new independence referendum ? 2. people in Scotland think our Scottish government should be the ones deciding if Scotland can hold a new independence referndum correct? 1. We have already established that Parliament, not the UK government, is the only body that can grant an indepence referendum. 2. They are incorrect, that is not a devolved power. Jesus christ how hard is it Ok lets make it more simple for you just answer this one then 1 So CLCC in your opinion are you one of the people in England that believe it should be the UK government deciding if Scotland can have a new independence referendum YES or NO ? i dont wanna hear this pish about the Uk government have the power to grant or refuse a section 30 order i know this already that is not the question i am asking you I don't believe there should be constitutional change on this issue. Parliament is the sovereign body, and I think it should stay that way. " But thats not for you or anyone living in England to decide that Thats madness and borderline dictatorship Whats is so wrong about the people living in Scotland deciding if we want an independence referendum and the Scottish government acting on the will 0f the Scottish people ? | |||
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"No you did not Show your answer to these questions 1 So CLCC going back are you one of the people in England that believe it should be the UK government deciding if Scotland can have a new independence referendum ? 2. people in Scotland think our Scottish government should be the ones deciding if Scotland can hold a new independence referndum correct? 1. We have already established that Parliament, not the UK government, is the only body that can grant an indepence referendum. 2. They are incorrect, that is not a devolved power. Jesus christ how hard is it Ok lets make it more simple for you just answer this one then 1 So CLCC in your opinion are you one of the people in England that believe it should be the UK government deciding if Scotland can have a new independence referendum YES or NO ? i dont wanna hear this pish about the Uk government have the power to grant or refuse a section 30 order i know this already that is not the question i am asking you I don't believe there should be constitutional change on this issue. Parliament is the sovereign body, and I think it should stay that way. But thats not for you or anyone living in England to decide that Thats madness and borderline dictatorship Whats is so wrong about the people living in Scotland deciding if we want an independence referendum and the Scottish government acting on the will 0f the Scottish people ?" Because parliament is sovereign. Parliament created the Scottish Parliament, and decided what powers it had and didn't have. Parliament decided that the Scottish Parliament didn't have the power to decide independence, or have a referendum on independence. That's the system we have. If the UK population want constitutional change on this issue, then they need to elect a party into government with that in their manifesto. | |||
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"No you did not Show your answer to these questions 1 So CLCC going back are you one of the people in England that believe it should be the UK government deciding if Scotland can have a new independence referendum ? 2. people in Scotland think our Scottish government should be the ones deciding if Scotland can hold a new independence referndum correct? matters not what they think, the reality is different.. is that so difficult to understand? Wow smacks of fuck you Scotland we will decide for you when you can have an independence referendum Stuff shit if the Scottish people want the Scottish government to decide when and if we can have a new independence referendum eh And then you wonder why people want to break away from the UK lol " stop it with the 'they all hate us bollocks'.. nothing i posted clearly says fuck anyone, its simplistically wrote because in a nutshell its just that..a very simple situation.. its not me nor anyone else on this forum who have a say in the issue, its the elected member's of Parliament initially.. and that is that for now, no matter what you want.. | |||
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"No you did not Show your answer to these questions 1 So CLCC going back are you one of the people in England that believe it should be the UK government deciding if Scotland can have a new independence referendum ? 2. people in Scotland think our Scottish government should be the ones deciding if Scotland can hold a new independence referndum correct? matters not what they think, the reality is different.. is that so difficult to understand? Wow smacks of fuck you Scotland we will decide for you when you can have an independence referendum Stuff shit if the Scottish people want the Scottish government to decide when and if we can have a new independence referendum eh And then you wonder why people want to break away from the UK lol stop it with the 'they all hate us bollocks'.. nothing i posted clearly says fuck anyone, its simplistically wrote because in a nutshell its just that..a very simple situation.. its not me nor anyone else on this forum who have a say in the issue, its the elected member's of Parliament initially.. and that is that for now, no matter what you want.. " Have i accused anyone on here of that nope but none the less the poll i quoted at the very top tells you England people in the majorty seem to think its fine for the UK government to dictate terms to when Scotland should have a new independence referendum Something very wrong about that | |||
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"Erm duh the SNP were elected into government on their manifesto policy to hold a referendum so is that not to be respected now ? Your words'' they need to elect a party into government with that in their manifesto So does that not apply all because the SNP put in their manifesto to have the right to hold an independence referendum and people elected them as the majority in Westminster oh before you think got him no no again the SNP are the majority in Scotland with 35 Scottish seats out of 59 Wrong parliament. What are you saying ? You know fine well the SNP will never be elected to be the UK government But you also know fine well in Westminster the people voted and elected 35 SNP mp's to Westminster which is the majority as you should well there is 59 Scottish seats in Westminster do your math and you will find out 35 is the majority out of 59 lol Even a wean can work that shit out lol Constitutional change isn't decided by devolved administrations, only by parliament. Like I said, if the people of the UK want constitutional change, that's where they elect a party. " Fucking hell kill me now lol your lack of knowledge is borderline worrying lol Again to quote you '' If the UK population want constitutional change on this issue, then they need to elect a party into government with that in their manifesto'' Right so how does that happen if Scotland sends a majority of SNP mps to Westminster ? As you know fine well like i said SNP cant be elected into the UK government? Unless your trying to say the people of Scotland should give up voting SNP just to get change on the Constitution which makes fuck all sense to vote for useless unionist branch office that do fuck all for Scotland | |||
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"Erm duh the SNP were elected into government on their manifesto policy to hold a referendum so is that not to be respected now ? Your words'' they need to elect a party into government with that in their manifesto So does that not apply all because the SNP put in their manifesto to have the right to hold an independence referendum and people elected them as the majority in Westminster oh before you think got him no no again the SNP are the majority in Scotland with 35 Scottish seats out of 59 Wrong parliament. What are you saying ? You know fine well the SNP will never be elected to be the UK government But you also know fine well in Westminster the people voted and elected 35 SNP mp's to Westminster which is the majority as you should well there is 59 Scottish seats in Westminster do your math and you will find out 35 is the majority out of 59 lol Even a wean can work that shit out lol Constitutional change isn't decided by devolved administrations, only by parliament. Like I said, if the people of the UK want constitutional change, that's where they elect a party. Fucking hell kill me now lol your lack of knowledge is borderline worrying lol Again to quote you '' If the UK population want constitutional change on this issue, then they need to elect a party into government with that in their manifesto'' Right so how does that happen if Scotland sends a majority of SNP mps to Westminster ? As you know fine well like i said SNP cant be elected into the UK government? Unless your trying to say the people of Scotland should give up voting SNP just to get change on the Constitution which makes fuck all sense to vote for useless unionist branch office that do fuck all for Scotland" Unless the SNP start standing in other seats, they can never get a majority in Westminster. The SNP cannot affect constituional change. If that is your primary concern, then you shouldn't vote for them. My knowledge of politics and the constitutional arrangements of the UK is far far superior to yours. I am qualified to speak on this issue, are you? | |||
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"Fomr posts in here you would think the British empire was still alive and well No surrender and Rule Britannia and all that shite" and here we have it in a nutshell.... just because you have an ignorance of how the law works with regards to referendum, you throw the toys out the pram!!! at the moment you are just screaming because you don't like the law... and when people tell you what the legal process actually is you act petulant and don't listen... so what i would actually say at this point is this... since it is plainly clear that you don't really want any discussion, and you aren't evening bothering to listen.... and clearly just like the sound of your own voice at this point whats the point??????  | |||
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"Erm duh the SNP were elected into government on their manifesto policy to hold a referendum so is that not to be respected now ? Your words'' they need to elect a party into government with that in their manifesto So does that not apply all because the SNP put in their manifesto to have the right to hold an independence referendum and people elected them as the majority in Westminster oh before you think got him no no again the SNP are the majority in Scotland with 35 Scottish seats out of 59 Wrong parliament. What are you saying ? You know fine well the SNP will never be elected to be the UK government But you also know fine well in Westminster the people voted and elected 35 SNP mp's to Westminster which is the majority as you should well there is 59 Scottish seats in Westminster do your math and you will find out 35 is the majority out of 59 lol Even a wean can work that shit out lol Constitutional change isn't decided by devolved administrations, only by parliament. Like I said, if the people of the UK want constitutional change, that's where they elect a party. Fucking hell kill me now lol your lack of knowledge is borderline worrying lol Again to quote you '' If the UK population want constitutional change on this issue, then they need to elect a party into government with that in their manifesto'' Right so how does that happen if Scotland sends a majority of SNP mps to Westminster ? As you know fine well like i said SNP cant be elected into the UK government? Unless your trying to say the people of Scotland should give up voting SNP just to get change on the Constitution which makes fuck all sense to vote for useless unionist branch office that do fuck all for Scotland Unless the SNP start standing in other seats, they can never get a majority in Westminster. The SNP cannot affect constituional change. If that is your primary concern, then you shouldn't vote for them. My knowledge of politics and the constitutional arrangements of the UK is far far superior to yours. I am qualified to speak on this issue, are you? " Wow again this is worrying the lack of knowledge from you you sure you know how this all works ? lol First off the SNP will never stand in English seats why you ask erm well duh the big clue is in the Scottish National Party lol 2nd the SNP have a majority of Scottish seats how many more time does that need explained to you the SNP have 35 SNP mp's OUT OF 59 Scottish seats which is the majority duh!!! lol Right so what your saying is people have to give up voting for SNP if they want constituional change how fucking convenientis that lol Wow childish eh my dick is big than your dick lol Ah right so now am not qualified lol | |||
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"Fomr posts in here you would think the British empire was still alive and well No surrender and Rule Britannia and all that shite and here we have it in a nutshell.... just because you have an ignorance of how the law works with regards to referendum, you throw the toys out the pram!!! at the moment you are just screaming because you don't like the law... and when people tell you what the legal process actually is you act petulant and don't listen... so what i would actually say at this point is this... since it is plainly clear that you don't really want any discussion, and you aren't evening bothering to listen.... and clearly just like the sound of your own voice at this point whats the point?????? "What the point ? You tell me at what point am i forcing people to post ? Lol | |||
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"Put this way i wouldnt dream of telling people in England no you cant have an independence referendum if thats what you vote for Again the way it comes across is some in England are feart to lose Scotland's money and resources " From one Scot to another ... please bloody give it a rest
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"Erm duh the SNP were elected into government on their manifesto policy to hold a referendum so is that not to be respected now ? Your words'' they need to elect a party into government with that in their manifesto So does that not apply all because the SNP put in their manifesto to have the right to hold an independence referendum and people elected them as the majority in Westminster oh before you think got him no no again the SNP are the majority in Scotland with 35 Scottish seats out of 59 Wrong parliament. What are you saying ? You know fine well the SNP will never be elected to be the UK government But you also know fine well in Westminster the people voted and elected 35 SNP mp's to Westminster which is the majority as you should well there is 59 Scottish seats in Westminster do your math and you will find out 35 is the majority out of 59 lol Even a wean can work that shit out lol Constitutional change isn't decided by devolved administrations, only by parliament. Like I said, if the people of the UK want constitutional change, that's where they elect a party. Fucking hell kill me now lol your lack of knowledge is borderline worrying lol Again to quote you '' If the UK population want constitutional change on this issue, then they need to elect a party into government with that in their manifesto'' Right so how does that happen if Scotland sends a majority of SNP mps to Westminster ? As you know fine well like i said SNP cant be elected into the UK government? Unless your trying to say the people of Scotland should give up voting SNP just to get change on the Constitution which makes fuck all sense to vote for useless unionist branch office that do fuck all for Scotland Unless the SNP start standing in other seats, they can never get a majority in Westminster. The SNP cannot affect constituional change. If that is your primary concern, then you shouldn't vote for them. My knowledge of politics and the constitutional arrangements of the UK is far far superior to yours. I am qualified to speak on this issue, are you? Wow again this is worrying the lack of knowledge from you you sure you know how this all works ? lol First off the SNP will never stand in English seats why you ask erm well duh the big clue is in the Scottish National Party lol 2nd the SNP have a majority of Scottish seats how many more time does that need explained to you the SNP have 35 SNP mp's OUT OF 59 Scottish seats which is the majority duh!!! lol Right so what your saying is people have to give up voting for SNP if they want constituional change how fucking convenientis that lol Wow childish eh my dick is big than your dick lol Ah right so now am not qualified lol " Yeah, so you don't have the qualifications, or the knowledge, or the understanding of what's going on. I know the SNP won't stand in other parts of the UK, so that's why they will never be able to achieve a majority of seats in a 700 seat parliament, if they only stand for 60 seats. It's not rocket science. But you don't seem to be able to grasp this. So either the SNP needs to hope for a coalition (rare in our system), or if you want constitutional change, then you need to vote for a different party. How many parties have been in government in the UK in the last 50 years? The conservatives, Labour and the lib dems (in coalition). That's it. If you want constitional change, they are the only parties who can deliver it. | |||
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"Put this way i wouldnt dream of telling people in England no you cant have an independence referendum if thats what you vote for Again the way it comes across is some in England are feart to lose Scotland's money and resources From one Scot to another ... please bloody give it a rest
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You literally dont have a clue and just repeat the same bs over and over with some insults thrown in
And you were the one that mentioned cult ... but yea that is exactly what you sound like you are part of "Oh wait that seriously sounds like i have to be gagged on my own thread let me think abiut that....... Ok no thank you your more than welcome to stop posting anytime you like lol | |||
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"Erm duh the SNP were elected into government on their manifesto policy to hold a referendum so is that not to be respected now ? Your words'' they need to elect a party into government with that in their manifesto So does that not apply all because the SNP put in their manifesto to have the right to hold an independence referendum and people elected them as the majority in Westminster oh before you think got him no no again the SNP are the majority in Scotland with 35 Scottish seats out of 59 Wrong parliament. What are you saying ? You know fine well the SNP will never be elected to be the UK government But you also know fine well in Westminster the people voted and elected 35 SNP mp's to Westminster which is the majority as you should well there is 59 Scottish seats in Westminster do your math and you will find out 35 is the majority out of 59 lol Even a wean can work that shit out lol Constitutional change isn't decided by devolved administrations, only by parliament. Like I said, if the people of the UK want constitutional change, that's where they elect a party. Fucking hell kill me now lol your lack of knowledge is borderline worrying lol Again to quote you '' If the UK population want constitutional change on this issue, then they need to elect a party into government with that in their manifesto'' Right so how does that happen if Scotland sends a majority of SNP mps to Westminster ? As you know fine well like i said SNP cant be elected into the UK government? Unless your trying to say the people of Scotland should give up voting SNP just to get change on the Constitution which makes fuck all sense to vote for useless unionist branch office that do fuck all for Scotland Unless the SNP start standing in other seats, they can never get a majority in Westminster. The SNP cannot affect constituional change. If that is your primary concern, then you shouldn't vote for them. My knowledge of politics and the constitutional arrangements of the UK is far far superior to yours. I am qualified to speak on this issue, are you? Wow again this is worrying the lack of knowledge from you you sure you know how this all works ? lol First off the SNP will never stand in English seats why you ask erm well duh the big clue is in the Scottish National Party lol 2nd the SNP have a majority of Scottish seats how many more time does that need explained to you the SNP have 35 SNP mp's OUT OF 59 Scottish seats which is the majority duh!!! lol Right so what your saying is people have to give up voting for SNP if they want constituional change how fucking convenientis that lol Wow childish eh my dick is big than your dick lol Ah right so now am not qualified lol Yeah, so you don't have the qualifications, or the knowledge, or the understanding of what's going on. I know the SNP won't stand in other parts of the UK, so that's why they will never be able to achieve a majority of seats in a 700 seat parliament, if they only stand for 60 seats. It's not rocket science. But you don't seem to be able to grasp this. So either the SNP needs to hope for a coalition (rare in our system), or if you want constitutional change, then you need to vote for a different party. How many parties have been in government in the UK in the last 50 years? The conservatives, Labour and the lib dems (in coalition). That's it. If you want constitional change, they are the only parties who can deliver it. " Funny that you know nothing about me CLCC but here you are saying have no qualifications Condescending much ? Is it that my dick is bigger than your dick again ? Lol | |||
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"Erm duh the SNP were elected into government on their manifesto policy to hold a referendum so is that not to be respected now ? Your words'' they need to elect a party into government with that in their manifesto So does that not apply all because the SNP put in their manifesto to have the right to hold an independence referendum and people elected them as the majority in Westminster oh before you think got him no no again the SNP are the majority in Scotland with 35 Scottish seats out of 59 Wrong parliament. What are you saying ? You know fine well the SNP will never be elected to be the UK government But you also know fine well in Westminster the people voted and elected 35 SNP mp's to Westminster which is the majority as you should well there is 59 Scottish seats in Westminster do your math and you will find out 35 is the majority out of 59 lol Even a wean can work that shit out lol Constitutional change isn't decided by devolved administrations, only by parliament. Like I said, if the people of the UK want constitutional change, that's where they elect a party. Fucking hell kill me now lol your lack of knowledge is borderline worrying lol Again to quote you '' If the UK population want constitutional change on this issue, then they need to elect a party into government with that in their manifesto'' Right so how does that happen if Scotland sends a majority of SNP mps to Westminster ? As you know fine well like i said SNP cant be elected into the UK government? Unless your trying to say the people of Scotland should give up voting SNP just to get change on the Constitution which makes fuck all sense to vote for useless unionist branch office that do fuck all for Scotland Unless the SNP start standing in other seats, they can never get a majority in Westminster. The SNP cannot affect constituional change. If that is your primary concern, then you shouldn't vote for them. My knowledge of politics and the constitutional arrangements of the UK is far far superior to yours. I am qualified to speak on this issue, are you? Wow again this is worrying the lack of knowledge from you you sure you know how this all works ? lol First off the SNP will never stand in English seats why you ask erm well duh the big clue is in the Scottish National Party lol 2nd the SNP have a majority of Scottish seats how many more time does that need explained to you the SNP have 35 SNP mp's OUT OF 59 Scottish seats which is the majority duh!!! lol Right so what your saying is people have to give up voting for SNP if they want constituional change how fucking convenientis that lol Wow childish eh my dick is big than your dick lol Ah right so now am not qualified lol Yeah, so you don't have the qualifications, or the knowledge, or the understanding of what's going on. I know the SNP won't stand in other parts of the UK, so that's why they will never be able to achieve a majority of seats in a 700 seat parliament, if they only stand for 60 seats. It's not rocket science. But you don't seem to be able to grasp this. So either the SNP needs to hope for a coalition (rare in our system), or if you want constitutional change, then you need to vote for a different party. How many parties have been in government in the UK in the last 50 years? The conservatives, Labour and the lib dems (in coalition). That's it. If you want constitional change, they are the only parties who can deliver it. Funny that you know nothing about me CLCC but here you are saying have no qualifications Condescending much ? Is it that my dick is bigger than your dick again ? Lol" You said you're not qualified! | |||
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"Ps CLCC i told you Labour Tory and Lib Dems can go suck my nuts i will never vote unionist branch offices in Scotland " They are the parties who gave you the referendum asking if you wanted a devolved administration, who created the Scottish Parliament, who increased the power of the SP, who granted a legally binding independence referendum for Scotland, and you tell them to go and suck your nuts? Not one of those things did the SNP deliver. | |||
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"Ps CLCC i told you Labour Tory and Lib Dems can go suck my nuts i will never vote unionist branch offices in Scotland They are the parties who gave you the referendum asking if you wanted a devolved administration, who created the Scottish Parliament, who increased the power of the SP, who granted a legally binding independence referendum for Scotland, and you tell them to go and suck your nuts? Not one of those things did the SNP deliver. " Yeah again they can suck my nuts lol Why do you think Scotland booted the unionists branch offices out on their arses in Holyrood ? Hehe Ps get it right please Labour only gave Scotland a parilament to try and kill off independence didnt work lol Also i pointed out to you when some daft fuck ie Tony Blair gave Scotland a parilament he breached the act of the union which was signed to united both kingdoms of Scotland and England and that there would be one parilament lol this is the people you want defending the union christ lol | |||
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"Ps CLCC i told you Labour Tory and Lib Dems can go suck my nuts i will never vote unionist branch offices in Scotland They are the parties who gave you the referendum asking if you wanted a devolved administration, who created the Scottish Parliament, who increased the power of the SP, who granted a legally binding independence referendum for Scotland, and you tell them to go and suck your nuts? Not one of those things did the SNP deliver. Yeah again they can suck my nuts lol Why do you think Scotland booted the unionists branch offices out on their arses in Holyrood ? Hehe Ps get it right please Labour only gave Scotland a parilament to try and kill off independence didnt work lol Also i pointed out to you when some daft fuck ie Tony Blair gave Scotland a parilament he breached the act of the union which was signed to united both kingdoms of Scotland and England and that there would be one parilament lol this is the people you want defending the union christ lol " Keep voting SNP then for all I care! It hurts your cause, not mine | |||
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"Ps CLCC i told you Labour Tory and Lib Dems can go suck my nuts i will never vote unionist branch offices in Scotland They are the parties who gave you the referendum asking if you wanted a devolved administration, who created the Scottish Parliament, who increased the power of the SP, who granted a legally binding independence referendum for Scotland, and you tell them to go and suck your nuts? Not one of those things did the SNP deliver. Yeah again they can suck my nuts lol Why do you think Scotland booted the unionists branch offices out on their arses in Holyrood ? Hehe Ps get it right please Labour only gave Scotland a parilament to try and kill off independence didnt work lol Also i pointed out to you when some daft fuck ie Tony Blair gave Scotland a parilament he breached the act of the union which was signed to united both kingdoms of Scotland and England and that there would be one parilament lol this is the people you want defending the union christ lol Keep voting SNP then for all I care! It hurts your cause, not mine Thanks i will do as they have the best interests of Scotland at heart and the people of Scotland that elect them into government agree with me there has never been an SNP government in Westminster and never will be, that's why its a waste of time voting for them. So what you asking is for me to give up voting SNP when i believe the SNP have the best interests at heart for Scotland to then go and vote dor a unionist branch office that couldnt give a damn about me yeah right ok like said the unionists branch offices can suck my nuts You dont quite it do you? When i vote in an election i aint voting for the UK Labour party or the UK Tory party or the UK Lib Dem party I would be voting for there Scottish branch offices Can you imagine it me voting for the Scottish Labour branch office giving Richard Leonard power in Holyrood or giving his Scottish Labour Mps power lmao dont make me laugh The guy is just as bad as Kezia Dugdale if not worse and god knows i wouldnt want Ruth Davidson anywhere near power and Wullie Rennie the less said about him the better " Who would be in No 10 if the people who voted SNP had voted Labour? | |||
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Maybe if some of the other anti-unionists actually explained the constitutional arrangements to kinky, then they might listen.
You can't teach a lump of coal physics"i like that analogy..... at the end of the day not real point talking to a brick wall, which is why i got out the thread... | |||
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Maybe if some of the other anti-unionists actually explained the constitutional arrangements to kinky, then they might listen.
You can't teach a lump of coal physics
i like that analogy.....
at the end of the day not real point talking to a brick wall, which is why i got out the thread..."I just dont understand why any of the anti-unionists won't tell kinky they are factually incorrect. | |||
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You can't teach a lump of coal physics
i like that analogy.....
at the end of the day not real point talking to a brick wall, which is why i got out the thread...
I just dont understand why any of the anti-unionists won't tell kinky they are factually incorrect. "Anti unionist ? Who is anti unionist ? I get people believe in the uk fair enough but its build on lies Read above on what i said abiut the NHS and on Scottish Labour branch and tell me am wrong ? | |||
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Maybe if some of the other anti-unionists actually explained the constitutional arrangements to kinky, then they might listen.
You can't teach a lump of coal physics
i like that analogy.....
at the end of the day not real point talking to a brick wall, which is why i got out the thread...
I just dont understand why any of the anti-unionists won't tell kinky they are factually incorrect.
Anti unionist ? Who is anti unionist ? I get people believe in the uk fair enough but its build on lies
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Maybe if some of the other anti-unionists actually explained the constitutional arrangements to kinky, then they might listen.
You can't teach a lump of coal physics
i like that analogy.....
at the end of the day not real point talking to a brick wall, which is why i got out the thread...
I just dont understand why any of the anti-unionists won't tell kinky they are factually incorrect.
Anti unionist ? Who is anti unionist ? I get people believe in the uk fair enough but its build on lies
Read above on what i said abiut the NHS and on Scottish Labour branch and tell me am wrong ?
You are anti-unionist."Wrong am pro independence lol So with lack of an answer i will take it you agree with me then CLCC great to have you on board that you think the Scottish NHS has the best record in the UK and you think Scottish Labour branch office are lying to the Scottish people | |||
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Maybe if some of the other anti-unionists actually explained the constitutional arrangements to kinky, then they might listen.
You can't teach a lump of coal physics
i like that analogy.....
at the end of the day not real point talking to a brick wall, which is why i got out the thread...
I just dont understand why any of the anti-unionists won't tell kinky they are factually incorrect.
Anti unionist ? Who is anti unionist ? I get people believe in the uk fair enough but its build on lies
Read above on what i said abiut the NHS and on Scottish Labour branch and tell me am wrong ?
You are anti-unionist.
Wrong am pro independence lol
So with lack of an answer i will take it you agree with me then CLCC great to have you on board that you think the Scottish NHS has the best record in the UK and you think Scottish Labour branch office are lying to the Scottish people "Exactly, you are against the union of the United Kingdom. So you are anti-unionist. I'm not talking about the NHS on a thread about the constitution. If you want to talk about the NHS, start a new thread. | |||
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"Should have called this the Kinky CLCC thread
Maybe if some of the other anti-unionists actually explained the constitutional arrangements to kinky, then they might listen.
You can't teach a lump of coal physics
i like that analogy.....
at the end of the day not real point talking to a brick wall, which is why i got out the thread...
I just dont understand why any of the anti-unionists won't tell kinky they are factually incorrect.
Anti unionist ? Who is anti unionist ? I get people believe in the uk fair enough but its build on lies
Read above on what i said abiut the NHS and on Scottish Labour branch and tell me am wrong ?
You are anti-unionist.
Wrong am pro independence lol
So with lack of an answer i will take it you agree with me then CLCC great to have you on board that you think the Scottish NHS has the best record in the UK and you think Scottish Labour branch office are lying to the Scottish people
Exactly, you are against the union of the United Kingdom. So you are anti-unionist.
I'm not talking about the NHS on a thread about the constitution. If you want to talk about the NHS, start a new thread. "Ooofftt touched a nerve CLCC ? Abit of double standards you dont always stick to what the thread is about I get thought not want to been seen praising the Scottish NHS while the English NHS is in meltdown Also CLCC i get it you dont want seen saying that Scottish Labour branch office are lying to people I know pro unionists too well its all doom and gloom with Scotland | |||
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"Should have called this the Kinky CLCC thread
Maybe if some of the other anti-unionists actually explained the constitutional arrangements to kinky, then they might listen.
You can't teach a lump of coal physics
i like that analogy.....
at the end of the day not real point talking to a brick wall, which is why i got out the thread...
I just dont understand why any of the anti-unionists won't tell kinky they are factually incorrect.
Anti unionist ? Who is anti unionist ? I get people believe in the uk fair enough but its build on lies
Read above on what i said abiut the NHS and on Scottish Labour branch and tell me am wrong ?
You are anti-unionist.
Wrong am pro independence lol
So with lack of an answer i will take it you agree with me then CLCC great to have you on board that you think the Scottish NHS has the best record in the UK and you think Scottish Labour branch office are lying to the Scottish people
Exactly, you are against the union of the United Kingdom. So you are anti-unionist.
I'm not talking about the NHS on a thread about the constitution. If you want to talk about the NHS, start a new thread.
Ooofftt touched a nerve CLCC ?
Abit of double standards you dont always stick to what the thread is about
I get thought not want to been seen praising the Scottish NHS while the English NHS is in meltdown
Also CLCC i get it you dont want seen saying that Scottish Labour branch office are lying to people
I know pro unionists too well its all doom and gloom with Scotland "No, I'm just bored of your bait and switch. You have been proved to be wrong on this thread, so now you want to change the thread entirely. By all means, post what you want on here, post about the NHS if you want, but I won't be talking about the NHS on here. Going back to the OP, the only body in the UK that can grant independence to Scotland is the UK Parliament in Westminster. That's it. You have even admitted as such. So what is the point of the poll? There is none, it's a complete was of time. You claim that there is also a court somewhere. You can't name this court. You can't tell me what rulings it has made. You can't tell me what country it sits in. You can't tell me the nationality of the judges. But you still maintain that there is such a court. Do you see how daft you look? Not one anti-unionist, or even pro unionist can back you up on this. As you know, I am against Brexit, but if I said there was an international court, that I couldn't name, that could overturn the referendum result, there would be plenty of remainers telling me that I was wrong, and that such a court is just a fairy tale. | |||
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"Should have called this the Kinky CLCC thread
Maybe if some of the other anti-unionists actually explained the constitutional arrangements to kinky, then they might listen.
You can't teach a lump of coal physics
i like that analogy.....
at the end of the day not real point talking to a brick wall, which is why i got out the thread...
I just dont understand why any of the anti-unionists won't tell kinky they are factually incorrect.
Anti unionist ? Who is anti unionist ? I get people believe in the uk fair enough but its build on lies
Read above on what i said abiut the NHS and on Scottish Labour branch and tell me am wrong ?
You are anti-unionist.
Wrong am pro independence lol
So with lack of an answer i will take it you agree with me then CLCC great to have you on board that you think the Scottish NHS has the best record in the UK and you think Scottish Labour branch office are lying to the Scottish people
Exactly, you are against the union of the United Kingdom. So you are anti-unionist.
I'm not talking about the NHS on a thread about the constitution. If you want to talk about the NHS, start a new thread.
Ooofftt touched a nerve CLCC ?
Abit of double standards you dont always stick to what the thread is about
I get thought not want to been seen praising the Scottish NHS while the English NHS is in meltdown
Also CLCC i get it you dont want seen saying that Scottish Labour branch office are lying to people
I know pro unionists too well its all doom and gloom with Scotland "Now that is true, Scotland's NHS is in a far better place then the NHS south of the border Many English are moving North for better hospitals, better G.P . surgery's and a better overall living standard | |||
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"Should have called this the Kinky CLCC thread
Maybe if some of the other anti-unionists actually explained the constitutional arrangements to kinky, then they might listen.
You can't teach a lump of coal physics
i like that analogy.....
at the end of the day not real point talking to a brick wall, which is why i got out the thread...
I just dont understand why any of the anti-unionists won't tell kinky they are factually incorrect.
Anti unionist ? Who is anti unionist ? I get people believe in the uk fair enough but its build on lies
Read above on what i said abiut the NHS and on Scottish Labour branch and tell me am wrong ?
You are anti-unionist.
Wrong am pro independence lol
So with lack of an answer i will take it you agree with me then CLCC great to have you on board that you think the Scottish NHS has the best record in the UK and you think Scottish Labour branch office are lying to the Scottish people
Exactly, you are against the union of the United Kingdom. So you are anti-unionist.
I'm not talking about the NHS on a thread about the constitution. If you want to talk about the NHS, start a new thread.
Ooofftt touched a nerve CLCC ?
Abit of double standards you dont always stick to what the thread is about
I get thought not want to been seen praising the Scottish NHS while the English NHS is in meltdown
Also CLCC i get it you dont want seen saying that Scottish Labour branch office are lying to people
I know pro unionists too well its all doom and gloom with Scotland
No, I'm just bored of your bait and switch. You have been proved to be wrong on this thread, so now you want to change the thread entirely. By all means, post what you want on here, post about the NHS if you want, but I won't be talking about the NHS on here.
Going back to the OP, the only body in the UK that can grant independence to Scotland is the UK Parliament in Westminster. That's it. You have even admitted as such. So what is the point of the poll? There is none, it's a complete was of time.
You claim that there is also a court somewhere. You can't name this court. You can't tell me what rulings it has made. You can't tell me what country it sits in. You can't tell me the nationality of the judges. But you still maintain that there is such a court. Do you see how daft you look? Not one anti-unionist, or even pro unionist can back you up on this.
As you know, I am against Brexit, but if I said there was an international court, that I couldn't name, that could overturn the referendum result, there would be plenty of remainers telling me that I was wrong, and that such a court is just a fairy tale. "My thread i can post what i want Interesting CLCC so on my Poll about Scotland part 1 and 2 you didnt stick to what the thread was about but now for some reason you only wanna talk about what the thread is about Oh i see someone is afraid to chat about the NHS lol | |||
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"Should have called this the Kinky CLCC thread
Maybe if some of the other anti-unionists actually explained the constitutional arrangements to kinky, then they might listen.
You can't teach a lump of coal physics
i like that analogy.....
at the end of the day not real point talking to a brick wall, which is why i got out the thread...
I just dont understand why any of the anti-unionists won't tell kinky they are factually incorrect.
Anti unionist ? Who is anti unionist ? I get people believe in the uk fair enough but its build on lies
Read above on what i said abiut the NHS and on Scottish Labour branch and tell me am wrong ?
You are anti-unionist.
Wrong am pro independence lol
So with lack of an answer i will take it you agree with me then CLCC great to have you on board that you think the Scottish NHS has the best record in the UK and you think Scottish Labour branch office are lying to the Scottish people
Exactly, you are against the union of the United Kingdom. So you are anti-unionist.
I'm not talking about the NHS on a thread about the constitution. If you want to talk about the NHS, start a new thread.
Ooofftt touched a nerve CLCC ?
Abit of double standards you dont always stick to what the thread is about
I get thought not want to been seen praising the Scottish NHS while the English NHS is in meltdown
Also CLCC i get it you dont want seen saying that Scottish Labour branch office are lying to people
I know pro unionists too well its all doom and gloom with Scotland
Now that is true, Scotland's NHS is in a far better place then the NHS south of the border
Many English are moving North for better hospitals, better G.P . surgery's and a better overall living standard "And the women on average have bigger tits. Fact! I checked. | |||
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"Should have called this the Kinky CLCC thread
Maybe if some of the other anti-unionists actually explained the constitutional arrangements to kinky, then they might listen.
You can't teach a lump of coal physics
i like that analogy.....
at the end of the day not real point talking to a brick wall, which is why i got out the thread...
I just dont understand why any of the anti-unionists won't tell kinky they are factually incorrect.
Anti unionist ? Who is anti unionist ? I get people believe in the uk fair enough but its build on lies
Read above on what i said abiut the NHS and on Scottish Labour branch and tell me am wrong ?
You are anti-unionist.
Wrong am pro independence lol
So with lack of an answer i will take it you agree with me then CLCC great to have you on board that you think the Scottish NHS has the best record in the UK and you think Scottish Labour branch office are lying to the Scottish people
Exactly, you are against the union of the United Kingdom. So you are anti-unionist.
I'm not talking about the NHS on a thread about the constitution. If you want to talk about the NHS, start a new thread.
Ooofftt touched a nerve CLCC ?
Abit of double standards you dont always stick to what the thread is about
I get thought not want to been seen praising the Scottish NHS while the English NHS is in meltdown
Also CLCC i get it you dont want seen saying that Scottish Labour branch office are lying to people
I know pro unionists too well its all doom and gloom with Scotland
Now that is true, Scotland's NHS is in a far better place then the NHS south of the border
Many English are moving North for better hospitals, better G.P . surgery's and a better overall living standard And the women on average have bigger tits. Fact! I checked. "Yeah that is fact lol | |||
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"Should have called this the Kinky CLCC thread
Maybe if some of the other anti-unionists actually explained the constitutional arrangements to kinky, then they might listen.
You can't teach a lump of coal physics
i like that analogy.....
at the end of the day not real point talking to a brick wall, which is why i got out the thread...
I just dont understand why any of the anti-unionists won't tell kinky they are factually incorrect.
Anti unionist ? Who is anti unionist ? I get people believe in the uk fair enough but its build on lies
Read above on what i said abiut the NHS and on Scottish Labour branch and tell me am wrong ?
You are anti-unionist.
Wrong am pro independence lol
So with lack of an answer i will take it you agree with me then CLCC great to have you on board that you think the Scottish NHS has the best record in the UK and you think Scottish Labour branch office are lying to the Scottish people
Exactly, you are against the union of the United Kingdom. So you are anti-unionist.
I'm not talking about the NHS on a thread about the constitution. If you want to talk about the NHS, start a new thread.
Ooofftt touched a nerve CLCC ?
Abit of double standards you dont always stick to what the thread is about
I get thought not want to been seen praising the Scottish NHS while the English NHS is in meltdown
Also CLCC i get it you dont want seen saying that Scottish Labour branch office are lying to people
I know pro unionists too well its all doom and gloom with Scotland
Now that is true, Scotland's NHS is in a far better place then the NHS south of the border
Many English are moving North for better hospitals, better G.P . surgery's and a better overall living standard And the women on average have bigger tits. Fact! I checked.
Yeah that is fact lol "I should apologize for talking about big tits in Scotland and going off topic I don't want to upset anyone | |||
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"Should have called this the Kinky CLCC thread
Maybe if some of the other anti-unionists actually explained the constitutional arrangements to kinky, then they might listen.
You can't teach a lump of coal physics
i like that analogy.....
at the end of the day not real point talking to a brick wall, which is why i got out the thread...
I just dont understand why any of the anti-unionists won't tell kinky they are factually incorrect.
Anti unionist ? Who is anti unionist ? I get people believe in the uk fair enough but its build on lies
Read above on what i said abiut the NHS and on Scottish Labour branch and tell me am wrong ?
You are anti-unionist.
Wrong am pro independence lol
So with lack of an answer i will take it you agree with me then CLCC great to have you on board that you think the Scottish NHS has the best record in the UK and you think Scottish Labour branch office are lying to the Scottish people
Exactly, you are against the union of the United Kingdom. So you are anti-unionist.
I'm not talking about the NHS on a thread about the constitution. If you want to talk about the NHS, start a new thread.
Ooofftt touched a nerve CLCC ?
Abit of double standards you dont always stick to what the thread is about
I get thought not want to been seen praising the Scottish NHS while the English NHS is in meltdown
Also CLCC i get it you dont want seen saying that Scottish Labour branch office are lying to people
I know pro unionists too well its all doom and gloom with Scotland
Now that is true, Scotland's NHS is in a far better place then the NHS south of the border
Many English are moving North for better hospitals, better G.P . surgery's and a better overall living standard And the women on average have bigger tits. Fact! I checked.
Yeah that is fact lol I should apologize for talking about big tits in Scotland and going off topic I don't want to upset anyone "No need lol who doesnt wanna hear abiut big tits heehehe | |||
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"A nation/state is the normal way to be. That's all I want for Scotland - to be just normal. It's the UK that is the aberration/abnormality. As an aside - this will bring light to the darkness that is 'The British State' and that's reason enough to be voting yes. Burn It Down. " Il supply the lighter lol | |||
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"Should have called this the Kinky CLCC thread
Maybe if some of the other anti-unionists actually explained the constitutional arrangements to kinky, then they might listen.
You can't teach a lump of coal physics
i like that analogy.....
at the end of the day not real point talking to a brick wall, which is why i got out the thread...
I just dont understand why any of the anti-unionists won't tell kinky they are factually incorrect.
Anti unionist ? Who is anti unionist ? I get people believe in the uk fair enough but its build on lies
Read above on what i said abiut the NHS and on Scottish Labour branch and tell me am wrong ?
You are anti-unionist.
Wrong am pro independence lol
So with lack of an answer i will take it you agree with me then CLCC great to have you on board that you think the Scottish NHS has the best record in the UK and you think Scottish Labour branch office are lying to the Scottish people
Exactly, you are against the union of the United Kingdom. So you are anti-unionist.
I'm not talking about the NHS on a thread about the constitution. If you want to talk about the NHS, start a new thread.
Ooofftt touched a nerve CLCC ?
Abit of double standards you dont always stick to what the thread is about
I get thought not want to been seen praising the Scottish NHS while the English NHS is in meltdown
Also CLCC i get it you dont want seen saying that Scottish Labour branch office are lying to people
I know pro unionists too well its all doom and gloom with Scotland
Now that is true, Scotland's NHS is in a far better place then the NHS south of the border
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"Just had a look at the Wings poll. There's a straight-forward question on there: "How would you vote in another Scottish Referendum Yes - 392 (57.7%) No - 532 (42.3%)"
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What poll name the date he posted it
I am confused about the % !!"Oops, should be the other way round of course. Main point is that when asked a straightforward question as to how people would vote it's still 'no' by a big margin. Strangely not a single person on the Wings site seems to have picked up on, or reported, that fact. | |||
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"I have a question for unionists on here Do you think a new independence referendum should be refused by the UK government Yes or No ? Also give your reasons too If it were today, I would say it should be refused. The country is fucked at the moment with Brexit and to throw even more division into the country and distraction, would be a bad idea in my opinion. After Brexit, I don't see why it should be refused. However, I would add some caveats. Firstly I think independence should require at least 50%+ of the electorate, rather 50%+ of voters. Also I would keep the voting age as 18 as it is for all other referendums and votes. And thirdly I think it should be specified that there couldn't be another referendum on the issue for at least 10 years. But Scotland is asking for a referendum after the Brexit negotiations, but before the UK leaves. An understandable request. In that situation, I think the UK should only grant a referendum after getting a cast iron decision from the EU about Scotland's future in the EU. Would Scotland automatically remain in the EU, and not leave for even a single day, or would Scotland leave the EU and have to re-apply. That way people would be able to make an informed decision. So there you have it, 3 different scenarios. Scotland is not fucked over brexit did you not see the whole of Scotlands local areas voted remain lol Oooohhh sounds like CLCC you dont agree with democracy so you would put in saying no Scottish referendum can take place for at least 10 years lol So its not upto the people of Scotland to decide then ? What happens if something happens within the 10 years that people want another referendum ? Gonna deny it and be anti democratic tut tut Is that the way you go into elections by saying to the party you vote for to fuck it no point in even trying to win an election ? The people of Scotland will decide Just like if England wanted an indpendence referendum then that would be upto them There is a fixed term parliament act, is that also anti-democratic? How is that any different to putting a time in between referendums? Again if a party puts it in any manifesto and people vote and elect that party into government you have to go with the will of the people after all we elect parties and MPs and MSPs into parilament You may not like it but you have to respect it 16 and 17 year olds should be allowed to vote and as long as the SNP are in government thats tge way it will be Shame the UK government cant do the same fo UK elections and the EU referendum lol Exactly, 16 and 17 year olds can't vote for MPs, so shouldn't be able to have a vote in the referendum. The independence referendum was meant to be once in a generation, you want the gap to be what, 3 years last year, 4 years this year. I don't see a problem with a 10 year gap. It shouldn't be voted on over and over and over again. I highly doubt an independent scotland would consider the idea of a referendum to rejoin the UK ever few years. Oooffft so CLCC your telling 16 and 17 year olds pretty much you couldnt care less about them and their future lol Just as well it wont be upto you and yes in any future referendum on Scottish indpendence 16 and 17 year olds will be able to vote its there future too This shit needs to end with once in a generation of lifetime whatever unionists call it you know fine well democracy is not an event and things can change and people are allowed to change their minds If Scotland gain indpendence and the party elected put in a manifesto to rejoin the UK that a mandate they have for a referendum that how democracy works dont try and step in the way of democracy get with it " Erm, you mean that well known unionist Mr Salmond?  | |||
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"57.7% - No 42.3% - Yes
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Percentage of Scots who want to leave the UK according to wings over Scotland
Id say anyone who beleives that are deluded "You do realise thats directly from Wings? | |||
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Percentage of Scots who want to leave the UK according to wings over Scotland
Id say anyone who beleives that are deluded
You do realise thats directly from Wings?"Can honestly say ive never read anything from wings i prefer to go with real ppl like friends family work colleagues ect and 99% of them support independence and not all are pro snp | |||
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Percentage of Scots who want to leave the UK according to wings over Scotland
Id say anyone who beleives that are deluded
You do realise thats directly from Wings?
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Percentage of Scots who want to leave the UK according to wings over Scotland
Id say anyone who beleives that are deluded
You do realise thats directly from Wings?
Can honestly say ive never read anything from wings i prefer to go with real ppl like friends family work colleagues ect and 99% of them support independence and not all are pro snp
That doesn't surprise me "What doesnt surprise you ? | |||
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"who gets to decide when a generation is ? Or lifetime ? Is it the people ? Remember who MPs and MSPs work for lol So is a generation 10 year ? 3year 5 year ? 21 year ? 27 year ? 30 year ? 34 year ? Lol So decides ?" The scottish ppl will decide | |||
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"57.7% - No 42.3% - Yes
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Percentage of Scots who want to leave the UK according to wings over Scotland
Id say anyone who beleives that are deluded
You do realise thats directly from Wings?
Can honestly say ive never read anything from wings i prefer to go with real ppl like friends family work colleagues ect and 99% of them support independence and not all are pro snp
That doesn't surprise me
What doesnt surprise you ?"99% of the people you know are pro-indy. SNP supporters are the most likely to live in a political echo chamber, it's something they share with UKIP supporters funnily enough and results in political tunnel vision. It's all pretty weird. https://news.sky.com/story/social-media-echo-chamber-causing-political-tunnel-vision-study-finds-10755219 | |||
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"who gets to decide when a generation is ? Or lifetime ? Is it the people ? Remember who MPs and MSPs work for lol So is a generation 10 year ? 3year 5 year ? 21 year ? 27 year ? 30 year ? 34 year ? Lol So decides ? The scottish ppl will decide " Yup your damn right it is hehe That democracy for you And i think the people of Scotland have spoken and said we want a new independence referendum And hardcore unionists wll still be able to vote no but i get it why unionists are fighting hard to stop democracy and for a new independence referendum to take place afraid that people may actually change their minds and want independence | |||
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"57.7% - No 42.3% - Yes
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Percentage of Scots who want to leave the UK according to wings over Scotland
Id say anyone who beleives that are deluded
You do realise thats directly from Wings?
Can honestly say ive never read anything from wings i prefer to go with real ppl like friends family work colleagues ect and 99% of them support independence and not all are pro snp
That doesn't surprise me
What doesnt surprise you ?
99% of the people you know are pro-indy. SNP supporters are the most likely to live in a political echo chamber, it's something they share with UKIP supporters funnily enough and results in political tunnel vision. It's all pretty weird.
https://news.sky.com/story/social-media-echo-chamber-causing-political-tunnel-vision-study-finds-10755219"You dont know me or anyone i know or anything about any of us so il take anything you say with a pinch of salt oh and i share nothing with ukip pretty sure your more that type of voter but hey each to their own | |||
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Percentage of Scots who want to leave the UK according to wings over Scotland
Id say anyone who beleives that are deluded
You do realise thats directly from Wings?
Can honestly say ive never read anything from wings i prefer to go with real ppl like friends family work colleagues ect and 99% of them support independence and not all are pro snp
That doesn't surprise me
What doesnt surprise you ?
99% of the people you know are pro-indy. SNP supporters are the most likely to live in a political echo chamber, it's something they share with UKIP supporters funnily enough and results in political tunnel vision. It's all pretty weird.
https://news.sky.com/story/social-media-echo-chamber-causing-political-tunnel-vision-study-finds-10755219
You dont know me or anyone i know or anything about any of us so il take anything you say with a pinch of salt oh and i share nothing with ukip pretty sure your more that type of voter but hey each to their own "Oooft I touched a nerve there
I just pointed to a cross party political study. It's not my words...
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"who gets to decide when a generation is ? Or lifetime ? Is it the people ? Remember who MPs and MSPs work for lol So is a generation 10 year ? 3year 5 year ? 21 year ? 27 year ? 30 year ? 34 year ? Lol So decides ? The scottish ppl will decide Yup your damn right it is hehe That democracy for you And i think the people of Scotland have spoken and said we want a new independence referendum And hardcore unionists wll still be able to vote no but i get it why unionists are fighting hard to stop democracy and for a new independence referendum to take place afraid that people may actually change their minds and want independence " You don't really believe that "the people of Scotland" decide do you? It's the politicians that decide. | |||
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"who gets to decide when a generation is ? Or lifetime ? Is it the people ? Remember who MPs and MSPs work for lol So is a generation 10 year ? 3year 5 year ? 21 year ? 27 year ? 30 year ? 34 year ? Lol So decides ? The scottish ppl will decide Yup your damn right it is hehe That democracy for you And i think the people of Scotland have spoken and said we want a new independence referendum And hardcore unionists wll still be able to vote no but i get it why unionists are fighting hard to stop democracy and for a new independence referendum to take place afraid that people may actually change their minds and want independence You don't really believe that "the people of Scotland" decide do you? It's the politicians that decide." Wow lol CLCC who elect parties and MP's? The answer is CLCC the people decide not MP's So the people of Scotland have spoken and either way a referendum will happen if the section 30 order is refused then we shall have a non binding referendum and if a YES vote comes in and the UK government do fuck all then they are the ones that are going to look like utter fannies | |||
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"Is there a post in wings which shows the full poll. Feels odd it’s at q15 (anyone who has seen prime minister would know why) Also feels odd the other two obvious posts are on the Gaelic language. And football. Neither of which prime for nationalism at all ...
And feels odd no other real political analysis.
Thx in advance.
Silent x"Dont forget Irn Bru come this month Barrs can shove their Irn Bru all their arse lol Also if am right its to do with the football act which has the support of Scottish people to keep the ban in place there is no need dor nasty songs to be heard in football grounds where kids go And Gaelic is Scotland national language and unionists are happy to get rid of it anything Scottish in unionists eyes is something to be ashamed of | |||
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"who gets to decide when a generation is ? Or lifetime ? Is it the people ? Remember who MPs and MSPs work for lol So is a generation 10 year ? 3year 5 year ? 21 year ? 27 year ? 30 year ? 34 year ? Lol So decides ? The scottish ppl will decide Yup your damn right it is hehe That democracy for you And i think the people of Scotland have spoken and said we want a new independence referendum And hardcore unionists wll still be able to vote no but i get it why unionists are fighting hard to stop democracy and for a new independence referendum to take place afraid that people may actually change their minds and want independence You don't really believe that "the people of Scotland" decide do you? It's the politicians that decide. Wow lol CLCC who elect parties and MP's? The answer is CLCC the people decide not MP's So the people of Scotland have spoken and either way a referendum will happen if the section 30 order is refused then we shall have a non binding referendum and if a YES vote comes in and the UK government do fuck all then they are the ones that are going to look like utter fannies " So if it's the people who decide, when was the last time they elected a party with a manifesto commitment to have a referendum? | |||
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"Is there a post in wings which shows the full poll. Feels odd it’s at q15 (anyone who has seen prime minister would know why) Also feels odd the other two obvious posts are on the Gaelic language. And football. Neither of which prime for nationalism at all ...
And feels odd no other real political analysis.
Thx in advance.
Silent x
Dont forget Irn Bru come this month Barrs can shove their Irn Bru all their arse lol
Also if am right its to do with the football act which has the support of Scottish people to keep the ban in place there is no need dor nasty songs to be heard in football grounds where kids go
And Gaelic is Scotland national language and unionists are happy to get rid of it anything Scottish in unionists eyes is something to be ashamed of "youve kinda missed my point. Of at least 15 questions, they have only punlished the response to one really political one. And have shown two to be potential emotional subjects to bring up nationalistic tendencies. Google “yes minister poll” to see what I mean. | |||
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"Is there a post in wings which shows the full poll. Feels odd it’s at q15 (anyone who has seen prime minister would know why) Also feels odd the other two obvious posts are on the Gaelic language. And football. Neither of which prime for nationalism at all ...
And feels odd no other real political analysis.
Thx in advance.
Silent x
Dont forget Irn Bru come this month Barrs can shove their Irn Bru all their arse lol
Also if am right its to do with the football act which has the support of Scottish people to keep the ban in place there is no need dor nasty songs to be heard in football grounds where kids go
And Gaelic is Scotland national language and unionists are happy to get rid of it anything Scottish in unionists eyes is something to be ashamed of "There is no 'national language'. Gaelic was brought over from Ireland and was only spoken in certain parts of the country. There are twice as many Polish speakers in Scotland as there are Gaelic. It's pretty damning that road signs have been up with Gaelic translations and it's taken over 7 years for anyone to pick up on the fact they're riddled with errors. | |||
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"Is there a post in wings which shows the full poll. Feels odd it’s at q15 (anyone who has seen prime minister would know why) Also feels odd the other two obvious posts are on the Gaelic language. And football. Neither of which prime for nationalism at all ...
And feels odd no other real political analysis.
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Dont forget Irn Bru come this month Barrs can shove their Irn Bru all their arse lol
Also if am right its to do with the football act which has the support of Scottish people to keep the ban in place there is no need dor nasty songs to be heard in football grounds where kids go
And Gaelic is Scotland national language and unionists are happy to get rid of it anything Scottish in unionists eyes is something to be ashamed of
There is no 'national language'. Gaelic was brought over from Ireland and was only spoken in certain parts of the country. There are twice as many Polish speakers in Scotland as there are Gaelic.
It's pretty damning that road signs have been up with Gaelic translations and it's taken over 7 years for anyone to pick up on the fact they're riddled with errors. "I see someone not happy with Scottish culture I think you would be happy to get rid of anything Scottish and turn Scotland into North Britain get shot of every part of Scottish culture Next you will be telling me Gaelic road signs are a waste of money tell that to people that speak Gaelic Is mise aon de na daoine sin | |||
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" I see someone not happy with Scottish culture I think you would be happy to get rid of anything Scottish and turn Scotland into North Britain get shot of every part of Scottish culture Next you will be telling me Gaelic road signs are a waste of money tell that to people that speak Gaelic Is mise aon de na daoine sin " You need to read up on what actually is Scottish culture. I'm fine with Scottish culture but Gaelic isn't part of the culture where I'm from and yes Gaelic road signs are a waste of money, given 1% of the population speaks the language. And of course given the fact it took 7 years to spot all the spelling mistakes in the signs. Why not have the signs in Scots given many more people speak that language? Gaelic reached it's peak and started declining as a language in Scotland over 900 years ago and prior to Gaelic the language spoken by many was Pictish which was here before Gaelic came over from Ireland. So why not use a traditional Scottish language rather than an imported one? The reality is that Scots is our traditional language and all our great literature is either written in Scots or English (can't think of any written in Gaelic). Scots has also been the official language of government and law for around 700 years. It's interesting to note that even back then Enlgish and Scots speakers referred to their own language as Scottish and Gaelic as Irish. According to the last census the number of people who speak/read and write Gaelic is 32,191. The number who speak/read and write Scots is 1,225,622. So it's clear what it culturally our language | |||
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"You can't debate with the hard core separatists, they are a cult. Logic, facts, reason all go out the window. There's a fringe that's happy with violence, intimidation and threats. The SNP hardly stop this, or issue Luke warm condemnation. Yet if the boot is on the other foot, they scream racism." I know but it's still handy to point out their errors for anyone else who may be looking in, especially where it can be dangerous. A quote I read online applies here "A Some schools of philosophy, such as Marxism and critical theory, have argued that culture is often used politically as a tool of the elites to manipulate the lower classes and create a false consciousness" Throughout history nationalist politicians etc have used culture as a tool to manipulate and the whole Gaelic thing is Scotland is exactly that. 1% of the population speaks the language and everyone who does also speaks English. The Gaelic signs we see everywhere now, road signs, police vehicles, literature from councils etc is all part of this process. As I pointed out above Scots is our true cultural language (the language of law, literature etc) not Gaelic. | |||
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"57.7% - No 42.3% - Yes
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Percentage of Scots who want to leave the UK according to wings over Scotland
Id say anyone who beleives that are deluded
You do realise thats directly from Wings?
Can honestly say ive never read anything from wings i prefer to go with real ppl like friends family work colleagues ect and 99% of them support independence and not all are pro snp
That doesn't surprise me
What doesnt surprise you ?
99% of the people you know are pro-indy. SNP supporters are the most likely to live in a political echo chamber, it's something they share with UKIP supporters funnily enough and results in political tunnel vision. It's all pretty weird.
https://news.sky.com/story/social-media-echo-chamber-causing-political-tunnel-vision-study-finds-10755219
You dont know me or anyone i know or anything about any of us so il take anything you say with a pinch of salt oh and i share nothing with ukip pretty sure your more that type of voter but hey each to their own
Oooft I touched a nerve there
I just pointed to a cross party political study. It's not my words...
I don't know a single person who only knows/socialises/works with and is related to people who share their political allegiences. You're the first I've heard of. I do agree with the study though such things aren't healthy."If you go back just a few yrs youl find that whole communities supported one party and that was labour and was very common all over scotland so it is no surprise to see these same ppl and communities now supporting snp ,seems no one bothered when it was labour but now its snp they are doing studies on it lol it shows how afraid they are with the rise in support for snp | |||
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"57.7% - No 42.3% - Yes
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Percentage of Scots who want to leave the UK according to wings over Scotland
Id say anyone who beleives that are deluded
You do realise thats directly from Wings?
Can honestly say ive never read anything from wings i prefer to go with real ppl like friends family work colleagues ect and 99% of them support independence and not all are pro snp
That doesn't surprise me
What doesnt surprise you ?
99% of the people you know are pro-indy. SNP supporters are the most likely to live in a political echo chamber, it's something they share with UKIP supporters funnily enough and results in political tunnel vision. It's all pretty weird.
https://news.sky.com/story/social-media-echo-chamber-causing-political-tunnel-vision-study-finds-10755219
You dont know me or anyone i know or anything about any of us so il take anything you say with a pinch of salt oh and i share nothing with ukip pretty sure your more that type of voter but hey each to their own
Oooft I touched a nerve there
I just pointed to a cross party political study. It's not my words...
I don't know a single person who only knows/socialises/works with and is related to people who share their political allegiences. You're the first I've heard of. I do agree with the study though such things aren't healthy.
If you go back just a few yrs youl find that whole communities supported one party and that was labour and was very common all over scotland so it is no surprise to see these same ppl and communities now supporting snp ,seems no one bothered when it was labour but now its snp they are doing studies on it lol it shows how afraid they are with the rise in support for snp "Inverclyde results don't seem to show a 100% vote for the SNP. Looking at all those entitled to vote only 25% did. This just confirms the point I made. The study wasn't about the SNP (I know you are rather paranoid about things) it was about all political parties it just so happened SNP supporters and UKIP supporters are outliers in the study in terms of living within the echo chamber. In saying that, as seperatist parties both the SNP and UKIP do share a fair bit in common http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/david-knowles/ukip-snp_b_6258374.html | |||
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"As an outside observer, both sides seem to be very partisan and dog whistle to extremists. And some of the *debate* on here reinforces this. (I’m not saying there’s anything extreme here!) The fact this thread could turn into a “the other side has worse bad guys” isn’t going to help !" It's definitely partisan. If you think brexit is divisive then this is a good bit worse and unfortunately it means politically things aren't moving on. We're stuck in a perpetual constitutional debate that won't really go away till the next Scottish parliament elections. With reagards to the debate on here it has been a bit feisty at times but over all these threads I think it's clear that one side has continually brought facts to the table in terms of finances, the outcome of policies etc whereas the other just dimisses them without offering evidence to the contrary or completely ignores them and tries to move on to something different. We can see it again on here, the thread was started about a poll supposedly showing 49% of people wanting independence (using a very specific wording) and yet when it was pointed out the poll shows it's less then 43% when a straightforward question is asked it has been completely ignored. | |||
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"I get it unionists in Scotland would be happy to see every bit of Scottish culture end they hate it and hate being reminded Scotland is a country with it's own culture we are not north Britain Scottish Gaelic is our language our culture and unionists would happy see it die off try learning it it's a beautiful language I see the crap is out again if your pro Indy you must be SNP lol that's sad Fact is and I dare any unionists to say the Scottish government don't have a mandate from the people of Scotland and from Holyrood " Gaelic is NOT the language of Scot land !!!! It belongs to the Gaels !!! The Scottish kings made war against the Lord of the Isles and the Gaels even granting licenses to go and plunder the islands. Gaelic was never spoken thoughout Scotland !!! Please read some Scottish history books !!!! | |||
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"I have a question for unionists on here Do you think a new independence referendum should be refused by the UK government Yes or No ? Also give your reasons too If it were today, I would say it should be refused. The country is fucked at the moment with Brexit and to throw even more division into the country and distraction, would be a bad idea in my opinion. After Brexit, I don't see why it should be refused. However, I would add some caveats. Firstly I think independence should require at least 50%+ of the electorate, rather 50%+ of voters. Also I would keep the voting age as 18 as it is for all other referendums and votes. And thirdly I think it should be specified that there couldn't be another referendum on the issue for at least 10 years. But Scotland is asking for a referendum after the Brexit negotiations, but before the UK leaves. An understandable request. In that situation, I think the UK should only grant a referendum after getting a cast iron decision from the EU about Scotland's future in the EU. Would Scotland automatically remain in the EU, and not leave for even a single day, or would Scotland leave the EU and have to re-apply. That way people would be able to make an informed decision. So there you have it, 3 different scenarios. Scotland is not fucked over brexit did you not see the whole of Scotlands local areas voted remain lol Oooohhh sounds like CLCC you dont agree with democracy so you would put in saying no Scottish referendum can take place for at least 10 years lol So its not upto the people of Scotland to decide then ? What happens if something happens within the 10 years that people want another referendum ? Gonna deny it and be anti democratic tut tut Is that the way you go into elections by saying to the party you vote for to fuck it no point in even trying to win an election ? The people of Scotland will decide Just like if England wanted an indpendence referendum then that would be upto them There is a fixed term parliament act, is that also anti-democratic? How is that any different to putting a time in between referendums? Again if a party puts it in any manifesto and people vote and elect that party into government you have to go with the will of the people after all we elect parties and MPs and MSPs into parilament You may not like it but you have to respect it 16 and 17 year olds should be allowed to vote and as long as the SNP are in government thats tge way it will be Shame the UK government cant do the same fo UK elections and the EU referendum lol The snp have had many things in their manifesto like small class sizes and doing away with the council tax and not raising the basic rate of tax in Scotland so how about keeping those manifesto promises before they work on Indy ref 2 !!!!" How about you go blame your unionists branches for voting against scrapping the council tax Did you forget that Scottish Labour branch and Scottish Tory branch voted against scrapping the council tax No no we couldn't have unionists actually have a go at their wee branch offices voting against scrapping the very thing they don't like | |||
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"There are people here who push an agenda of monoculture.Its a misguided view that if we are all the same there is less division.Scotland should celebrate and define it's own identity just like the Welsh do and the Irish and the Cornish.The English divide themselves as northern southern,Scouse, Geordie, Yorkshire etc etc." That's nationalism for you. | |||
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"You can't debate with the hard core separatists, they are a cult. Logic, facts, reason all go out the window. There's a fringe that's happy with violence, intimidation and threats. The SNP hardly stop this, or issue Luke warm condemnation. Yet if the boot is on the other foot, they scream racism. Pls let us know when you were threatened with violence and intimidation from snp ? Anyone in scotland will tell you that the ones who are threatening and intimidating ppl are the unionists who thanks to ruth davidson have made scottish politics all about religion and bigotry " I was threatened several times on Facebook because I questioned SNP logic, this includes "we'll find where you live" There have been incidents where non SNP councillors have had cars burned out. There's plenty of evidence out there. | |||
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"You can't debate with the hard core separatists, they are a cult. Logic, facts, reason all go out the window. There's a fringe that's happy with violence, intimidation and threats. The SNP hardly stop this, or issue Luke warm condemnation. Yet if the boot is on the other foot, they scream racism. Pls let us know when you were threatened with violence and intimidation from snp ? Anyone in scotland will tell you that the ones who are threatening and intimidating ppl are the unionists who thanks to ruth davidson have made scottish politics all about religion and bigotry I was threatened several times on Facebook because I questioned SNP logic, this includes "we'll find where you live" There have been incidents where non SNP councillors have had cars burned out. There's plenty of evidence out there." And what unionists are angels ? Let's just agree there can be dicks on both sides | |||
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"I have a question for unionists on here Do you think a new independence referendum should be refused by the UK government Yes or No ? Also give your reasons too If it were today, I would say it should be refused. The country is fucked at the moment with Brexit and to throw even more division into the country and distraction, would be a bad idea in my opinion. After Brexit, I don't see why it should be refused. However, I would add some caveats. Firstly I think independence should require at least 50%+ of the electorate, rather 50%+ of voters. Also I would keep the voting age as 18 as it is for all other referendums and votes. And thirdly I think it should be specified that there couldn't be another referendum on the issue for at least 10 years. But Scotland is asking for a referendum after the Brexit negotiations, but before the UK leaves. An understandable request. In that situation, I think the UK should only grant a referendum after getting a cast iron decision from the EU about Scotland's future in the EU. Would Scotland automatically remain in the EU, and not leave for even a single day, or would Scotland leave the EU and have to re-apply. That way people would be able to make an informed decision. So there you have it, 3 different scenarios. Scotland is not fucked over brexit did you not see the whole of Scotlands local areas voted remain lol Oooohhh sounds like CLCC you dont agree with democracy so you would put in saying no Scottish referendum can take place for at least 10 years lol So its not upto the people of Scotland to decide then ? What happens if something happens within the 10 years that people want another referendum ? Gonna deny it and be anti democratic tut tut Is that the way you go into elections by saying to the party you vote for to fuck it no point in even trying to win an election ? The people of Scotland will decide Just like if England wanted an indpendence referendum then that would be upto them There is a fixed term parliament act, is that also anti-democratic? How is that any different to putting a time in between referendums? Again if a party puts it in any manifesto and people vote and elect that party into government you have to go with the will of the people after all we elect parties and MPs and MSPs into parilament You may not like it but you have to respect it 16 and 17 year olds should be allowed to vote and as long as the SNP are in government thats tge way it will be Shame the UK government cant do the same fo UK elections and the EU referendum lol The snp have had many things in their manifesto like small class sizes and doing away with the council tax and not raising the basic rate of tax in Scotland so how about keeping those manifesto promises before they work on Indy ref 2 !!!! How about you go blame your unionists branches for voting against scrapping the council tax Did you forget that Scottish Labour branch and Scottish Tory branch voted against scrapping the council tax No no we couldn't have unionists actually have a go at their wee branch offices voting against scrapping the very thing they don't like " You want to scrap council tax? How are you going to pay for housing, education, social care, fire, police etc.? | |||
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