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"Lord Heseltine says that brexit will be more damaging to the UK than a Corbyn government and that if it is a choice between party and country country comes first every time. Now setting aside the brexit issue my question is considering that the conservative party sells itself as being the true blue one nation option, how can any Tory not be 110% behind Lord Heseltine? Further, have the Tories morphed into Stalin's Communist Party? After all not even Moe placed party above state, that dubious accolade was reserved for Uncle Joe." Heseltine's conundrum is one faced by many traditional Conservative voters. Which is the least worse option, the economic disaster that BREXIT will bring or the economic disaster that a high tax, high spend, high debt Corbyn Labour government would bring. Heseltine's argument that we've had Labour governments in the past and always been able to have the Conservative's come in after and sort out the mess whereas BREXIT, once done, is an act of self harm that will harm the nation for generations, definitely resonates with me. | |||
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"Heseltine's conundrum is one faced by many traditional Conservative voters. Which is the least worse option, the economic disaster that BREXIT will bring or the economic disaster that a high tax, high spend, high debt Corbyn Labour government would bring. Heseltine's argument that we've had Labour governments in the past and always been able to have the Conservative's come in after and sort out the mess whereas BREXIT, once done, is an act of self harm that will harm the nation for generations, definitely resonates with me. " My question is not about the specifics of Heseltines dilemma regarding brexit, that die is cast, the Maybot and dickless Davies have plotted the course and will not deviate regardless of consequences. My question goes to principle. With the growing clamour for the removal of Tarzan (remember when he made an equally vain but principled stand against Thatcher over Westland in the 80's and a victorious stand against her over inner city deprivation leading to the first garden festival in Liverpool (1982)), regardless of our politics should we registering our support for him? Or do we not live in a country where party comes before country on every issue. I fear that in today's conservative party, party comes first and last regardless of the issue and this is a very dangerous president that leads directly to dictatorship. | |||
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"Heseltine, wrongly saw it as an option. Corbyn OR Brexit. Today Corbyn has “reclarified” labours position on Brexit. He says we WILL leave single market and customs union....but wants best access to EU (exactly same as what May says). He has also said Labour would not have or support a second referendum (same as May). So the options are.... Tories and Brexit. Or Corbyn and Brexit. Other than marginal differences in negotiations there is no real choice or difference. Sad to so poor old Michael is severely deluded and or puddled."  Agree, Hestletine the senile old bat has completely lost the plot, voting for a Labour Corbyn government would still result in Brexit! He's just trying to provoke Theresa May and the government, it's best that he should be ignored, he'll soon be in an old people's home anyway. | |||
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"But his option ISN'T an option! Corbyn also means Brexit. He would have to advocate a Lib Dem vote in England. And SNP in Scotland." Agree again. Heseltine is kicking up a fuss and trying to grab some headlines, it smacks of sour grapes since Theresa May sacked him as a government advisor a few months ago. He's best ignored. | |||
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"Agree again. Heseltine is kicking up a fuss and trying to grab some headlines, it smacks of sour grapes since Theresa May sacked him as a government advisor a few months ago. He's best ignored. " That is what was said about him in the 80's, he was proven right then and I expect he may well be proven right now. However that is not the issue. The issue is should party come before country and it seems as though Centaur for one believes it should. Which leads me on to my next question. Should self come before all? Or are their issues that are bigger than self-interest? | |||
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"The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of one or the few - Mr Spock." Seems the Tories place party above country in everything... Now lets see in the last 12 months... Snap election... £1.5 BILLION to the DUP to keep them in office... Defending sexual predators and a man who collected porn on his work computer because they were Tories. Now demands to expel Lord Hesletine for not toeing the party line. Uncle Joe would be so proud! | |||
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"The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of one or the few - Mr Spock." Agree absolutely. So dump the Brexit stupidity and sign up as Full EU members and strive for the One State ideal  | |||
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"The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of one or the few - Mr Spock." The needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many. Capt. Kirk. I my opinion both apply in different circumstances. On the issue of nation before party I would think that, regardless of what side of any issue you are, most would agree with this. However most would also believe that the side of any issue that they are on is the side that is actually also in the national interest and so therefore are actually putting the nation first, in their opinion. Whilst I fully understand Heseltine's conundrum he is getting dangerously close to saying that people should vote for a party other than the one he is actually a member of. I'm not sure if he's gone far enough to merit removal of the party whip (most of those calling for it seem to the rabid brextremists who think anyone who doesn't fully back their version of BREXIT is some sort of pinkoe liberal traitor to the people) but if he was to go any further and actually advocate voting Labour then I think his position in the Consecutive Party would be untenable; just as it would be if a member of the Labour Party publicly advocated voting Conservative. | |||
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"The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of one or the few - Mr Spock. Seems the Tories place party above country in everything... Now lets see in the last 12 months... Snap election... £1.5 BILLION to the DUP to keep them in office... Defending sexual predators and a man who collected porn on his work computer because they were Tories. Now demands to expel Lord Hesletine for not toeing the party line. Uncle Joe would be so proud!" Are you not putting party political point scorning above national interest with your statement about sexual predators? Surely the issue of police confidentiality is the important issue here? And there are many Labour MPs who see that. Information illegally leaked from a politically inspired police investigation. Also, on the issue of towing the party line, is not Labour and moment equally as guilty? I think Uncle Joe would be proud of both. | |||
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"Are you not putting party political point scorning above national interest with your statement about sexual predators? Surely the issue of police confidentiality is the important issue here? And there are many Labour MPs who see that. Information illegally leaked from a politically inspired police investigation. Also, on the issue of towing the party line, is not Labour and moment equally as guilty? I think Uncle Joe would be proud of both." As far as I am aware the Labour party are attempting to clean house and are not involved in a cover up (although by the nature of cover ups if they are we would not know it). However it does seem to me that the Tories first instinct is to deflect and attack the whistle-blower when it is one of their own who is discovered doing wrong. In fact the Tory party have quite a history of covering up malfeasance on the part of Tory MP's. In fact it is not so long ago that a Tory minister lied in an attempt to have a number of innocent men sent to prison in order to cover up a Tory government scandal (remember Alan Clark). | |||
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"Are you not putting party political point scorning above national interest with your statement about sexual predators? Surely the issue of police confidentiality is the important issue here? And there are many Labour MPs who see that. Information illegally leaked from a politically inspired police investigation. Also, on the issue of towing the party line, is not Labour and moment equally as guilty? I think Uncle Joe would be proud of both. As far as I am aware the Labour party are attempting to clean house and are not involved in a cover up (although by the nature of cover ups if they are we would not know it). However it does seem to me that the Tories first instinct is to deflect and attack the whistle-blower when it is one of their own who is discovered doing wrong. In fact the Tory party have quite a history of covering up malfeasance on the part of Tory MP's. In fact it is not so long ago that a Tory minister lied in an attempt to have a number of innocent men sent to prison in order to cover up a Tory government scandal (remember Alan Clark). " A political party 'cleaning house' looks to me a lot like a political purge. You've started this thread raising a very good question; is loyalty to your party more important than loyalty to your country. Unfortunately you've turned it into just another Tory bashing thread while ignoring similar problems in other parties, including Labour. | |||
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"I know much better than all you lot about what's best for the country on climate change!... Nobody's going to let me do it though as I'm a lone voice and that's not democracy, so your all willing to ruin this country and more than likely actually kill everybody with your bullshit economics yet here I stand with the solution and nobody wants to know?. It's sad but I don't bang on about it fucking daily "Maybe you should... | |||
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"I know much better than all you lot about what's best for the country on climate change!... Nobody's going to let me do it though as I'm a lone voice and that's not democracy, so your all willing to ruin this country and more than likely actually kill everybody with your bullshit economics yet here I stand with the solution and nobody wants to know?. It's sad but I don't bang on about it fucking daily
Maybe you should...". Ok well, were ruining the environment with the current economic paradigm at such an alarming rate that there'll be no planet left to have any form of economics on in a very very short time!. Based on that value alone I say your all fucking culpable of being deluded by "bullshit" . All your actually arguing about is one person is slightly less insane than the other one | |||
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"I know much better than all you lot about what's best for the country on climate change!... Nobody's going to let me do it though as I'm a lone voice and that's not democracy, so your all willing to ruin this country and more than likely actually kill everybody with your bullshit economics yet here I stand with the solution and nobody wants to know?. It's sad but I don't bang on about it fucking daily
Maybe you should....
Ok well, were ruining the environment with the current economic paradigm at such an alarming rate that there'll be no planet left to have any form of economics on in a very very short time!.
Based on that value alone I say your all fucking culpable of being deluded by "bullshit" .
All your actually arguing about is one person is slightly less insane than the other one "And what did environmental groups say about Brexit? | |||
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"I know much better than all you lot about what's best for the country on climate change!... Nobody's going to let me do it though as I'm a lone voice and that's not democracy, so your all willing to ruin this country and more than likely actually kill everybody with your bullshit economics yet here I stand with the solution and nobody wants to know?. It's sad but I don't bang on about it fucking daily
Maybe you should....
Ok well, were ruining the environment with the current economic paradigm at such an alarming rate that there'll be no planet left to have any form of economics on in a very very short time!.
Based on that value alone I say your all fucking culpable of being deluded by "bullshit" .
All your actually arguing about is one person is slightly less insane than the other one
And what did environmental groups say about Brexit?"Some Green party members campaigned for Brexit. Green party peer Baroness Jones appeared on BBC Question Time during the EU referendum campaigning for Leave. | |||
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"Some Green party members campaigned for Brexit. Green party peer Baroness Jones appeared on BBC Question Time during the EU referendum campaigning for Leave. " Many green party members are in favour of brexit as they see the collapse of the world economy as necessary and therefore the collapse UK economy as a good thing. Not all those who voted for brexit think it will be beneficial for the British people. | |||
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"Some Green party members campaigned for Brexit. Green party peer Baroness Jones appeared on BBC Question Time during the EU referendum campaigning for Leave. Many green party members are in favour of brexit as they see the collapse of the world economy as necessary and therefore the collapse UK economy as a good thing. Not all those who voted for brexit think it will be beneficial for the British people." Agreed,just remember that many who voted leave want to 'bring down capitalism' if they see this as a chance you might just want to test the water a bit more | |||
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"I know much better than all you lot about what's best for the country on climate change!... Nobody's going to let me do it though as I'm a lone voice and that's not democracy, so your all willing to ruin this country and more than likely actually kill everybody with your bullshit economics yet here I stand with the solution and nobody wants to know?. It's sad but I don't bang on about it fucking daily
Maybe you should....
Ok well, were ruining the environment with the current economic paradigm at such an alarming rate that there'll be no planet left to have any form of economics on in a very very short time!.
Based on that value alone I say your all fucking culpable of being deluded by "bullshit" .
All your actually arguing about is one person is slightly less insane than the other one
And what did environmental groups say about Brexit?". Who gives a shit, there part of the problem, they have a business model like everybody else, just like all good neo liberals they talk a good talk but very rarely walk it, even when they do they still lie, there's no evidence to suggest slightly cutting back will solve anything, the evidence is 85% reduction in 17 years or kiss your arse goodbye!!. Were all living in our own little bubble of bullshit, you just think your bubble is better than the next persons and so do they and just like them when something comes along that doesn't fit your bubble you'll ignore facts, ignore experts, ignore evidence and stick your fingers in your ears. Don't feel bad, it's a human trait, we all have it | |||
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"Some Green party members campaigned for Brexit. Green party peer Baroness Jones appeared on BBC Question Time during the EU referendum campaigning for Leave. Many green party members are in favour of brexit as they see the collapse of the world economy as necessary and therefore the collapse UK economy as a good thing. Not all those who voted for brexit think it will be beneficial for the British people." That sounds an awful lot like many Labour supporters who are in favour of a Corbyn Labour government as they see the collapse of Capitalism as necessary and therefore they collapse the UK economy as a good thing. Not all those who vote for Corbyn think it will be beneficial for the British people. | |||
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"I know much better than all you lot about what's best for the country on climate change!... Nobody's going to let me do it though as I'm a lone voice and that's not democracy, so your all willing to ruin this country and more than likely actually kill everybody with your bullshit economics yet here I stand with the solution and nobody wants to know?. It's sad but I don't bang on about it fucking daily
Maybe you should....
Ok well, were ruining the environment with the current economic paradigm at such an alarming rate that there'll be no planet left to have any form of economics on in a very very short time!.
Based on that value alone I say your all fucking culpable of being deluded by "bullshit" .
All your actually arguing about is one person is slightly less insane than the other one
And what did environmental groups say about Brexit?.
Who gives a shit, there part of the problem, they have a business model like everybody else, just like all good neo liberals they talk a good talk but very rarely walk it, even when they do they still lie, there's no evidence to suggest slightly cutting back will solve anything, the evidence is 85% reduction in 17 years or kiss your arse goodbye!!.
Were all living in our own little bubble of bullshit, you just think your bubble is better than the next persons and so do they and just like them when something comes along that doesn't fit your bubble you'll ignore facts, ignore experts, ignore evidence and stick your fingers in your ears.
Don't feel bad, it's a human trait, we all have it "The UK is moving in the right direction on green issues. It was on the news yesterday that this year is the first year more energy has been produced in the UK from Nuclear, Wind and solar power combined than fossil fuels, gas and coal combined. | |||
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"I know much better than all you lot about what's best for the country on climate change!... Nobody's going to let me do it though as I'm a lone voice and that's not democracy, so your all willing to ruin this country and more than likely actually kill everybody with your bullshit economics yet here I stand with the solution and nobody wants to know?. It's sad but I don't bang on about it fucking daily
Maybe you should....
Ok well, were ruining the environment with the current economic paradigm at such an alarming rate that there'll be no planet left to have any form of economics on in a very very short time!.
Based on that value alone I say your all fucking culpable of being deluded by "bullshit" .
All your actually arguing about is one person is slightly less insane than the other one
And what did environmental groups say about Brexit?.
Who gives a shit, there part of the problem, they have a business model like everybody else, just like all good neo liberals they talk a good talk but very rarely walk it, even when they do they still lie, there's no evidence to suggest slightly cutting back will solve anything, the evidence is 85% reduction in 17 years or kiss your arse goodbye!!.
Were all living in our own little bubble of bullshit, you just think your bubble is better than the next persons and so do they and just like them when something comes along that doesn't fit your bubble you'll ignore facts, ignore experts, ignore evidence and stick your fingers in your ears.
Don't feel bad, it's a human trait, we all have it
The UK is moving in the right direction on green issues. It was on the news yesterday that this year is the first year more energy has been produced in the UK from Nuclear, Wind and solar power combined than fossil fuels, gas and coal combined. "We uses to have a department for energy and climate change, but that was scrapped after the referendum  | |||
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"I know much better than all you lot about what's best for the country on climate change!... Nobody's going to let me do it though as I'm a lone voice and that's not democracy, so your all willing to ruin this country and more than likely actually kill everybody with your bullshit economics yet here I stand with the solution and nobody wants to know?. It's sad but I don't bang on about it fucking daily
Maybe you should....
Ok well, were ruining the environment with the current economic paradigm at such an alarming rate that there'll be no planet left to have any form of economics on in a very very short time!.
Based on that value alone I say your all fucking culpable of being deluded by "bullshit" .
All your actually arguing about is one person is slightly less insane than the other one
And what did environmental groups say about Brexit?.
Who gives a shit, there part of the problem, they have a business model like everybody else, just like all good neo liberals they talk a good talk but very rarely walk it, even when they do they still lie, there's no evidence to suggest slightly cutting back will solve anything, the evidence is 85% reduction in 17 years or kiss your arse goodbye!!.
Were all living in our own little bubble of bullshit, you just think your bubble is better than the next persons and so do they and just like them when something comes along that doesn't fit your bubble you'll ignore facts, ignore experts, ignore evidence and stick your fingers in your ears.
Don't feel bad, it's a human trait, we all have it "If by 2034 the world is still here and relatively in tact, will you accept that you were wrong or, a bit like the Jehovah Witnesses, just carry in saying the end of the world is coming in the next 10 to 20 years, regardless? | |||
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"I know much better than all you lot about what's best for the country on climate change!... Nobody's going to let me do it though as I'm a lone voice and that's not democracy, so your all willing to ruin this country and more than likely actually kill everybody with your bullshit economics yet here I stand with the solution and nobody wants to know?. It's sad but I don't bang on about it fucking daily
Maybe you should....
Ok well, were ruining the environment with the current economic paradigm at such an alarming rate that there'll be no planet left to have any form of economics on in a very very short time!.
Based on that value alone I say your all fucking culpable of being deluded by "bullshit" .
All your actually arguing about is one person is slightly less insane than the other one
And what did environmental groups say about Brexit?.
Who gives a shit, there part of the problem, they have a business model like everybody else, just like all good neo liberals they talk a good talk but very rarely walk it, even when they do they still lie, there's no evidence to suggest slightly cutting back will solve anything, the evidence is 85% reduction in 17 years or kiss your arse goodbye!!.
Were all living in our own little bubble of bullshit, you just think your bubble is better than the next persons and so do they and just like them when something comes along that doesn't fit your bubble you'll ignore facts, ignore experts, ignore evidence and stick your fingers in your ears.
Don't feel bad, it's a human trait, we all have it
If by 2034 the world is still here and relatively in tact, will you accept that you were wrong or, a bit like the Jehovah Witnesses, just carry in saying the end of the world is coming in the next 10 to 20 years, regardless?"2040 zero emissions or game over monkeys.  | |||
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"I know much better than all you lot about what's best for the country on climate change!... Nobody's going to let me do it though as I'm a lone voice and that's not democracy, so your all willing to ruin this country and more than likely actually kill everybody with your bullshit economics yet here I stand with the solution and nobody wants to know?. It's sad but I don't bang on about it fucking daily
Maybe you should....
Ok well, were ruining the environment with the current economic paradigm at such an alarming rate that there'll be no planet left to have any form of economics on in a very very short time!.
Based on that value alone I say your all fucking culpable of being deluded by "bullshit" .
All your actually arguing about is one person is slightly less insane than the other one
And what did environmental groups say about Brexit?.
Who gives a shit, there part of the problem, they have a business model like everybody else, just like all good neo liberals they talk a good talk but very rarely walk it, even when they do they still lie, there's no evidence to suggest slightly cutting back will solve anything, the evidence is 85% reduction in 17 years or kiss your arse goodbye!!.
Were all living in our own little bubble of bullshit, you just think your bubble is better than the next persons and so do they and just like them when something comes along that doesn't fit your bubble you'll ignore facts, ignore experts, ignore evidence and stick your fingers in your ears.
Don't feel bad, it's a human trait, we all have it
If by 2034 the world is still here and relatively in tact, will you accept that you were wrong or, a bit like the Jehovah Witnesses, just carry in saying the end of the world is coming in the next 10 to 20 years, regardless? 2040 zero emissions or game over monkeys. "That's 6 years more than the 17 years originally quoted. Seems like the forecast is already being revised. | |||
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"I know much better than all you lot about what's best for the country on climate change!... Nobody's going to let me do it though as I'm a lone voice and that's not democracy, so your all willing to ruin this country and more than likely actually kill everybody with your bullshit economics yet here I stand with the solution and nobody wants to know?. It's sad but I don't bang on about it fucking daily
Maybe you should....
Ok well, were ruining the environment with the current economic paradigm at such an alarming rate that there'll be no planet left to have any form of economics on in a very very short time!.
Based on that value alone I say your all fucking culpable of being deluded by "bullshit" .
All your actually arguing about is one person is slightly less insane than the other one
And what did environmental groups say about Brexit?.
Who gives a shit, there part of the problem, they have a business model like everybody else, just like all good neo liberals they talk a good talk but very rarely walk it, even when they do they still lie, there's no evidence to suggest slightly cutting back will solve anything, the evidence is 85% reduction in 17 years or kiss your arse goodbye!!.
Were all living in our own little bubble of bullshit, you just think your bubble is better than the next persons and so do they and just like them when something comes along that doesn't fit your bubble you'll ignore facts, ignore experts, ignore evidence and stick your fingers in your ears.
Don't feel bad, it's a human trait, we all have it
If by 2034 the world is still here and relatively in tact, will you accept that you were wrong or, a bit like the Jehovah Witnesses, just carry in saying the end of the world is coming in the next 10 to 20 years, regardless?". I'm just giving you the best expert's advice, how you choose to act on it is upto you!... Were already seeing the beginning, just look at North America for the last few years, record snow, record cold, record heat, record drought, record rainfall, record breaking Hurricanes. And we've yet to see the lag, were only experiencing 1997 emissions. Personally I don't think there wrong,I think we're all fucked by 2034 I doubt there'll be much of a civilization to worry about but hey some experts think we'll be ok till 2050 so who knows | |||
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"I know much better than all you lot about what's best for the country on climate change!... Nobody's going to let me do it though as I'm a lone voice and that's not democracy, so your all willing to ruin this country and more than likely actually kill everybody with your bullshit economics yet here I stand with the solution and nobody wants to know?. It's sad but I don't bang on about it fucking daily
Maybe you should....
Ok well, were ruining the environment with the current economic paradigm at such an alarming rate that there'll be no planet left to have any form of economics on in a very very short time!.
Based on that value alone I say your all fucking culpable of being deluded by "bullshit" .
All your actually arguing about is one person is slightly less insane than the other one
And what did environmental groups say about Brexit?.
Who gives a shit, there part of the problem, they have a business model like everybody else, just like all good neo liberals they talk a good talk but very rarely walk it, even when they do they still lie, there's no evidence to suggest slightly cutting back will solve anything, the evidence is 85% reduction in 17 years or kiss your arse goodbye!!.
Were all living in our own little bubble of bullshit, you just think your bubble is better than the next persons and so do they and just like them when something comes along that doesn't fit your bubble you'll ignore facts, ignore experts, ignore evidence and stick your fingers in your ears.
Don't feel bad, it's a human trait, we all have it
If by 2034 the world is still here and relatively in tact, will you accept that you were wrong or, a bit like the Jehovah Witnesses, just carry in saying the end of the world is coming in the next 10 to 20 years, regardless?.
I'm just giving you the best expert's advice, how you choose to act on it is upto you!...
Were already seeing the beginning, just look at North America for the last few years, record snow, record cold, record heat, record drought, record rainfall, record breaking Hurricanes.
And we've yet to see the lag, were only experiencing 1997 emissions.
Personally I don't think there wrong,I think we're all fucked by 2034 I doubt there'll be much of a civilization to worry about but hey some experts think we'll be ok till 2050 so who knows"What I choose to do is, and have done in the past, is probably more than most, although what that has to do with the question I actually asked I really can't see. However, in a roundabout way you answered my question. If the world is still here and relatively intact by 2034 you'll simply revise your forecast out to 2050, nicely within the 15 to 20 year range. And you wonder why people are sceptical? | |||
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"I know much better than all you lot about what's best for the country on climate change!... Nobody's going to let me do it though as I'm a lone voice and that's not democracy, so your all willing to ruin this country and more than likely actually kill everybody with your bullshit economics yet here I stand with the solution and nobody wants to know?. It's sad but I don't bang on about it fucking daily
Maybe you should....
Ok well, were ruining the environment with the current economic paradigm at such an alarming rate that there'll be no planet left to have any form of economics on in a very very short time!.
Based on that value alone I say your all fucking culpable of being deluded by "bullshit" .
All your actually arguing about is one person is slightly less insane than the other one
And what did environmental groups say about Brexit?.
Who gives a shit, there part of the problem, they have a business model like everybody else, just like all good neo liberals they talk a good talk but very rarely walk it, even when they do they still lie, there's no evidence to suggest slightly cutting back will solve anything, the evidence is 85% reduction in 17 years or kiss your arse goodbye!!.
Were all living in our own little bubble of bullshit, you just think your bubble is better than the next persons and so do they and just like them when something comes along that doesn't fit your bubble you'll ignore facts, ignore experts, ignore evidence and stick your fingers in your ears.
Don't feel bad, it's a human trait, we all have it
If by 2034 the world is still here and relatively in tact, will you accept that you were wrong or, a bit like the Jehovah Witnesses, just carry in saying the end of the world is coming in the next 10 to 20 years, regardless?.
I'm just giving you the best expert's advice, how you choose to act on it is upto you!...
Were already seeing the beginning, just look at North America for the last few years, record snow, record cold, record heat, record drought, record rainfall, record breaking Hurricanes.
And we've yet to see the lag, were only experiencing 1997 emissions.
Personally I don't think there wrong,I think we're all fucked by 2034 I doubt there'll be much of a civilization to worry about but hey some experts think we'll be ok till 2050 so who knows
What I choose to do is, and have done in the past, is probably more than most, although what that has to do with the question I actually asked I really can't see.
However, in a roundabout way you answered my question. If the world is still here and relatively intact by 2034 you'll simply revise your forecast out to 2050, nicely within the 15 to 20 year range.
And you wonder why people are sceptical?". So if the UK economy is still here in 2020 will you admit your belief in your expert opinion was rubbish?. See I wouldn't hold that against you, sure economics isn't exactly a science like we're talking but there's facts and then there's best guesses, you've just acted on the facts and best guesses for it, your just unwilling to do the same for climate change, I get that, I don't hold that against you either... Well not anymore, I used to but in the last five years I've mellowed,I know longer see every c02 emitter as a complete selfish cunt killing the entire planet for their own selfish reasons | |||
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"I know much better than all you lot about what's best for the country on climate change!... Nobody's going to let me do it though as I'm a lone voice and that's not democracy, so your all willing to ruin this country and more than likely actually kill everybody with your bullshit economics yet here I stand with the solution and nobody wants to know?. It's sad but I don't bang on about it fucking daily
Maybe you should....
Ok well, were ruining the environment with the current economic paradigm at such an alarming rate that there'll be no planet left to have any form of economics on in a very very short time!.
Based on that value alone I say your all fucking culpable of being deluded by "bullshit" .
All your actually arguing about is one person is slightly less insane than the other one
And what did environmental groups say about Brexit?.
Who gives a shit, there part of the problem, they have a business model like everybody else, just like all good neo liberals they talk a good talk but very rarely walk it, even when they do they still lie, there's no evidence to suggest slightly cutting back will solve anything, the evidence is 85% reduction in 17 years or kiss your arse goodbye!!.
Were all living in our own little bubble of bullshit, you just think your bubble is better than the next persons and so do they and just like them when something comes along that doesn't fit your bubble you'll ignore facts, ignore experts, ignore evidence and stick your fingers in your ears.
Don't feel bad, it's a human trait, we all have it
If by 2034 the world is still here and relatively in tact, will you accept that you were wrong or, a bit like the Jehovah Witnesses, just carry in saying the end of the world is coming in the next 10 to 20 years, regardless?.
I'm just giving you the best expert's advice, how you choose to act on it is upto you!...
Were already seeing the beginning, just look at North America for the last few years, record snow, record cold, record heat, record drought, record rainfall, record breaking Hurricanes.
And we've yet to see the lag, were only experiencing 1997 emissions.
Personally I don't think there wrong,I think we're all fucked by 2034 I doubt there'll be much of a civilization to worry about but hey some experts think we'll be ok till 2050 so who knows
What I choose to do is, and have done in the past, is probably more than most, although what that has to do with the question I actually asked I really can't see.
However, in a roundabout way you answered my question. If the world is still here and relatively intact by 2034 you'll simply revise your forecast out to 2050, nicely within the 15 to 20 year range.
And you wonder why people are sceptical?.
So if the UK economy is still here in 2020 will you admit your belief in your expert opinion was rubbish?.
"I've never said the economy won't be here in 2020 and, as far as I know, neither have any experts. " See I wouldn't hold that against you, sure economics isn't exactly a science like we're talking but there's facts and then there's best guesses, you've just acted on the facts and best guesses for it, your just unwilling to do the same for climate change, I get that, I don't hold that against you either... Well not anymore, I used to but in the last five years I've mellowed,I know longer see every c02 emitter as a complete selfish cunt killing the entire planet for their own selfish reasons "I won't hold it against you either. I'm simply pointing out to you that these forever revised forecast of imminent destruction only add to peoples skepticism. Maybe this time the prediction of imminent destruction will come true but, a bit like Jehovah Witnesses or the guy with the megaphone telling people to repent because the end is nigh, we've heard it before and it hasn't happened yet. | |||
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"I know much better than all you lot about what's best for the country on climate change!... Nobody's going to let me do it though as I'm a lone voice and that's not democracy, so your all willing to ruin this country and more than likely actually kill everybody with your bullshit economics yet here I stand with the solution and nobody wants to know?. It's sad but I don't bang on about it fucking daily
Maybe you should....
Ok well, were ruining the environment with the current economic paradigm at such an alarming rate that there'll be no planet left to have any form of economics on in a very very short time!.
Based on that value alone I say your all fucking culpable of being deluded by "bullshit" .
All your actually arguing about is one person is slightly less insane than the other one
And what did environmental groups say about Brexit?.
Who gives a shit, there part of the problem, they have a business model like everybody else, just like all good neo liberals they talk a good talk but very rarely walk it, even when they do they still lie, there's no evidence to suggest slightly cutting back will solve anything, the evidence is 85% reduction in 17 years or kiss your arse goodbye!!.
Were all living in our own little bubble of bullshit, you just think your bubble is better than the next persons and so do they and just like them when something comes along that doesn't fit your bubble you'll ignore facts, ignore experts, ignore evidence and stick your fingers in your ears.
Don't feel bad, it's a human trait, we all have it
If by 2034 the world is still here and relatively in tact, will you accept that you were wrong or, a bit like the Jehovah Witnesses, just carry in saying the end of the world is coming in the next 10 to 20 years, regardless?.
I'm just giving you the best expert's advice, how you choose to act on it is upto you!...
Were already seeing the beginning, just look at North America for the last few years, record snow, record cold, record heat, record drought, record rainfall, record breaking Hurricanes.
And we've yet to see the lag, were only experiencing 1997 emissions.
Personally I don't think there wrong,I think we're all fucked by 2034 I doubt there'll be much of a civilization to worry about but hey some experts think we'll be ok till 2050 so who knows
What I choose to do is, and have done in the past, is probably more than most, although what that has to do with the question I actually asked I really can't see.
However, in a roundabout way you answered my question. If the world is still here and relatively intact by 2034 you'll simply revise your forecast out to 2050, nicely within the 15 to 20 year range.
And you wonder why people are sceptical?.
So if the UK economy is still here in 2020 will you admit your belief in your expert opinion was rubbish?.
I've never said the economy won't be here in 2020 and, as far as I know, neither have any experts.
See I wouldn't hold that against you, sure economics isn't exactly a science like we're talking but there's facts and then there's best guesses, you've just acted on the facts and best guesses for it, your just unwilling to do the same for climate change, I get that, I don't hold that against you either... Well not anymore, I used to but in the last five years I've mellowed,I know longer see every c02 emitter as a complete selfish cunt killing the entire planet for their own selfish reasons
I won't hold it against you either. I'm simply pointing out to you that these forever revised forecast of imminent destruction only add to peoples skepticism. Maybe this time the prediction of imminent destruction will come true but, a bit like Jehovah Witnesses or the guy with the megaphone telling people to repent because the end is nigh, we've heard it before and it hasn't happened yet.". Think back about what you've just wrote and apply it to brexit!!. Can you see any similarity?. I'm guessing probably not as your in your own little bubble of bullshit, I don't mean that as a devise slur , were all in it, we just don't realise it | |||
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"Out of my many many years on here there's only one person that's properly got under my skin, and not in a bad way,I can't even describe how clever he is, he's the type of guy you always wanted to be but utterly hate at the same time!. He never brow beat me into submission but lead me to the path where I realised I was wrong by my own accord, it's a skill you can't teach, I wish I had it but I don't, I just come on d*unk and abuse people I disagree with because I'm impatient by nature.... He should have been a teacher because he's got that something, alas he's also a capitalist cunt who loves money so that's a no no "Dude you put to much energy into discussions with climate change deniers there like flat earthers or creationists.If they can't be arsed to look at the data don't waste your time.  | |||
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"Out of my many many years on here there's only one person that's properly got under my skin, and not in a bad way,I can't even describe how clever he is, he's the type of guy you always wanted to be but utterly hate at the same time!. He never brow beat me into submission but lead me to the path where I realised I was wrong by my own accord, it's a skill you can't teach, I wish I had it but I don't, I just come on d*unk and abuse people I disagree with because I'm impatient by nature.... He should have been a teacher because he's got that something, alas he's also a capitalist cunt who loves money so that's a no no Dude you put to much energy into discussions with climate change deniers there like flat earthers or creationists.If they can't be arsed to look at the data don't waste your time. "It's not a case of being in denial or not. It's more a case of trying to point out the folly of making what sounds like over exaggerated claims without providing convincing evidence to substantiate them, even if they maybe true. If the referendum and so called Project Fear has taught us anything it should be that. | |||
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"Out of my many many years on here there's only one person that's properly got under my skin, and not in a bad way,I can't even describe how clever he is, he's the type of guy you always wanted to be but utterly hate at the same time!. He never brow beat me into submission but lead me to the path where I realised I was wrong by my own accord, it's a skill you can't teach, I wish I had it but I don't, I just come on d*unk and abuse people I disagree with because I'm impatient by nature.... He should have been a teacher because he's got that something, alas he's also a capitalist cunt who loves money so that's a no no Dude you put to much energy into discussions with climate change deniers there like flat earthers or creationists.If they can't be arsed to look at the data don't waste your time.
It's not a case of being in denial or not. It's more a case of trying to point out the folly of making what sounds like over exaggerated claims without providing convincing evidence to substantiate them, even if they maybe true. If the referendum and so called Project Fear has taught us anything it should be that.". It's the basic premise of the Paris accord!!. Ideally under 1.5 degrees and definitely not to go above 2... To achieve this it will follow the best science available..... Guess what the best science available said????. | |||
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"Half of North America right now is facing record snow and cold. The polar vortex is a bit fucked the high pressure required to keep the cold inside it keeps bursting, the jet stream is wibbly wobbly all over the shop.... The Arctic and Alaska is 10 degrees above normal while it's snowing in Georgia, Texas, Florida, Alabama and the Carolinas, the northern states are seeing -30 degrees and six feet of snow.... While over in California there fighting forest fires on a scale never seen before. Last winter in Manchester we didn't get one morning where you had ice on your windscreen!!. The summers are endlessly over cast and rainy, the insect levels have dropped 75% in 30 years. . No I reckon you'll be just fine by 2035 everything will be just fine, keeping watching you TV, have another beer, watch some failure of a youngster who earns more in a week than you'll earn in a lifetime kick a fucking ball into a net...... EVERYTHING WILL BE JUST DANDY "I never said I thought everything would be fine in 2035, I simple asked you what you would do if it was. I also don't generally drink much and, when I do, it's not normally beer. I seldom watch football, or any sports, either. I think it's probably best, and definitely more convincing, if you keep your personal views on individuals and what they do to people you actually know something about rather than direct them at people who are simply asking you to clarify and explain your comments. I'm not convinced that either the current snowfall in the US or fires in California are necessarily the result of what used to be called Global Warming but is now, conveniently, called Climate Change. I'm also totally convinced that the reported reduction in insect population has nothing to do with climate change and far more likely to be due to intensive farming and inappropriate use of insecticides (in a warming, wetter world one would expect insect populations to increase, not decrease). However I may not have done as much research into this as you so anything you can show me that more clearly establishes links would be received with thanks. All that being said, I do actually accept that, over the last 200 years, global temperature has risen and that climate change is a reality that, whether man made or not, we have to deal with. I also believe using renewable sources of energy, providing that they are affordable for all, which they are now becoming, is both economically and environmentally better for everyone. | |||
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"Half of North America right now is facing record snow and cold. The polar vortex is a bit fucked the high pressure required to keep the cold inside it keeps bursting, the jet stream is wibbly wobbly all over the shop.... The Arctic and Alaska is 10 degrees above normal while it's snowing in Georgia, Texas, Florida, Alabama and the Carolinas, the northern states are seeing -30 degrees and six feet of snow.... While over in California there fighting forest fires on a scale never seen before. Last winter in Manchester we didn't get one morning where you had ice on your windscreen!!. The summers are endlessly over cast and rainy, the insect levels have dropped 75% in 30 years. . No I reckon you'll be just fine by 2035 everything will be just fine, keeping watching you TV, have another beer, watch some failure of a youngster who earns more in a week than you'll earn in a lifetime kick a fucking ball into a net...... EVERYTHING WILL BE JUST DANDY
I never said I thought everything would be fine in 2035, I simple asked you what you would do if it was. I also don't generally drink much and, when I do, it's not normally beer. I seldom watch football, or any sports, either.
I think it's probably best, and definitely more convincing, if you keep your personal views on individuals and what they do to people you actually know something about rather than direct them at people who are simply asking you to clarify and explain your comments.
I'm not convinced that either the current snowfall in the US or fires in California are necessarily the result of what used to be called Global Warming but is now, conveniently, called Climate Change. I'm also totally convinced that the reported reduction in insect population has nothing to do with climate change and far more likely to be due to intensive farming and inappropriate use of insecticides (in a warming, wetter world one would expect insect populations to increase, not decrease). However I may not have done as much research into this as you so anything you can show me that more clearly establishes links would be received with thanks.
All that being said, I do actually accept that, over the last 200 years, global temperature has risen and that climate change is a reality that, whether man made or not, we have to deal with. I also believe using renewable sources of energy, providing that they are affordable for all, which they are now becoming, is both economically and environmentally better for everyone.". You know when my posts are septate and not attached to your posts.... Well that means there not ACTUALLY a post aimed at you alone | |||
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"The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of one or the few - Mr Spock. Seems the Tories place party above country in everything... Now lets see in the last 12 months... Snap election... £1.5 BILLION to the DUP to keep them in office... Defending sexual predators and a man who collected porn on his work computer because they were Tories. Now demands to expel Lord Hesletine for not toeing the party line. Uncle Joe would be so proud!" adds in 1 penny...Mr Brown sale of Gold to keep himself and a Mr Blair in power through wasting the money received for the gold with "presents" to their voters and many promises.... All do Hesletine did it to become PM failed, Brown did it to make certain he became PM after Blair , the list is long... How about less bashing and more ideas how to resolve problems ??? | |||
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"The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of one or the few - Mr Spock. Seems the Tories place party above country in everything... Now lets see in the last 12 months... Snap election... £1.5 BILLION to the DUP to keep them in office... Defending sexual predators and a man who collected porn on his work computer because they were Tories. Now demands to expel Lord Hesletine for not toeing the party line. Uncle Joe would be so proud! adds in 1 penny...Mr Brown sale of Gold to keep himself and a Mr Blair in power through wasting the money received for the gold with "presents" to their voters and many promises.... All do Hesletine did it to become PM failed, Brown did it to make certain he became PM after Blair , the list is long... How about less bashing and more ideas how to resolve problems ???" Well said. | |||
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