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"Return of pounds and ounces? Britain might allow firms to use imperial measures after Brexit Talks have started again perhaps imperialism has never went away in the first place" We could also go back to using £SD (Pound, shillings and pence). But then we could always have done any of these if the government had wanted at anytime whether in the EU or not. | |||
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"Return of pounds and ounces? Britain might allow firms to use imperial measures after Brexit Talks have started again perhaps imperialism has never went away in the first place We could also go back to using £SD (Pound, shillings and pence). But then we could always have done any of these if the government had wanted at anytime whether in the EU or not." Thankfully we still use miles, could do with going back to good old Gallons of fuel too and ofcourse some on here still get mixed up with inches and centimeters, many saying they have a big nine inch cock when of course they mean centimeters 
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"Great idea... And lets bring back the old pounds shillings and pence too, nothing quite like have 12 pennies in a shilling and 20 shillings in a pound. While we are at it lets bring back cubits, return to a yard being a measure of the distance from the Kings nose to the tip of his finger (and don't forget we need the barleycorn) and a acre being the amount of land an Ox can plough in a day. What a ridiculously stupid idea!" stupid Idea!!!! we still use the term acre, I still have the same 3 acres of ground I purchased with my home 10 years ago | |||
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"stupid Idea!!!! we still use the term acre, I still have the same 3 acres of ground I purchased with my home 10 years ago" So without looking it up just tell me how big an acre is... Fact is the metric system is the best system there is. It is the natural system mathematics in the same way as binary is the natural system for computing and returning to a non-unified system would be disastrous for the UK. | |||
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"stupid Idea!!!! we still use the term acre, I still have the same 3 acres of ground I purchased with my home 10 years ago So without looking it up just tell me how big an acre is... Fact is the metric system is the best system there is. It is the natural system mathematics in the same way as binary is the natural system for computing and returning to a non-unified system would be disastrous for the UK." an acre compared with what??? I grew up on farms, always talked acres, same with forestry I then got into engineering, again imperial, do you still use miles for road distance or kilometres? do you use MPH for speed or Kilometres? when you purchase trousers are you a 32" waist or some strange metric measurement when you go to your local to meet friends (if you have any) do you ask for a "Pint of beer" or some weird metric measurement . you can keep your pathetic metric system, I will happily stay with the yanks and the "old team Brits" | |||
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"stupid Idea!!!! we still use the term acre, I still have the same 3 acres of ground I purchased with my home 10 years ago So without looking it up just tell me how big an acre is... Fact is the metric system is the best system there is. It is the natural system mathematics in the same way as binary is the natural system for computing and returning to a non-unified system would be disastrous for the UK. an acre compared with what??? I grew up on farms, always talked acres, same with forestry I then got into engineering, again imperial, do you still use miles for road distance or kilometres? do you use MPH for speed or Kilometres? when you purchase trousers are you a 32" waist or some strange metric measurement when you go to your local to meet friends (if you have any) do you ask for a "Pint of beer" or some weird metric measurement . you can keep your pathetic metric system, I will happily stay with the yanks and the "old team Brits"" 
When you buy shoe sizes here the shoe size system is also different to the EU measure. A British size 9 shoe would be a size 43 in the EU.
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"Imperial measurements are fucking garbage." Like most of your posts then. | |||
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"Imperial measurements are fucking garbage. Like most of your posts then. " Been working on that one for a bit, have we? Imperial is an objectively shit measurement system, with varying base values and multiple conversion rules for orders of magnitude (all of which have different base values! Wheeee). Metric, by contrast is always base ten, and can be converted into orders of magnitude with one rule. The only reason people use it is cultural inertia, and the only reason they pretend to like it is because they're that fucking insecure that they've adopted a suboptimal measurement system as part of their identity. | |||
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"Imperial measurements are fucking garbage. Like most of your posts then. Been working on that one for a bit, have we? Imperial is an objectively shit measurement system, with varying base values and multiple conversion rules for orders of magnitude (all of which have different base values! Wheeee). Metric, by contrast is always base ten, and can be converted into orders of magnitude with one rule. The only reason people use it is cultural inertia, and the only reason they pretend to like it is because they're that fucking insecure that they've adopted a suboptimal measurement system as part of their identity. " lol, if you copy parts of your quote and stick into google, you can find exactly where you got your info word for word. . take a step back from this, you are far too young to understand, just a young kid in nappies  | |||
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"an acre compared with what??? I grew up on farms, always talked acres, same with forestry I then got into engineering, again imperial, do you still use miles for road distance or kilometres? do you use MPH for speed or Kilometres? when you purchase trousers are you a 32" waist or some strange metric measurement when you go to your local to meet friends (if you have any) do you ask for a "Pint of beer" or some weird metric measurement . you can keep your pathetic metric system, I will happily stay with the yanks and the "old team Brits"" You make me laugh at times... An acre compared to what... An acre is a measurement of area equivalent to a furlong by a chain or 220 yards x 22 yards. Funny how the dope on a rope non engineer (with PCN MPI and Eddy Current qualifications from BINDT) knows what an acre is but the farm labourers engineer son does not even know it is a measurement of area.but then I am not an artificer (that is how you described yourself a long time ago). No doubt you cant wait to get back to imperial engineering measurements. The question is will those be BSF, BSC, AF or whitworth? | |||
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"Imperial measurements are fucking garbage. Like most of your posts then. Been working on that one for a bit, have we? Imperial is an objectively shit measurement system, with varying base values and multiple conversion rules for orders of magnitude (all of which have different base values! Wheeee). Metric, by contrast is always base ten, and can be converted into orders of magnitude with one rule. The only reason people use it is cultural inertia, and the only reason they pretend to like it is because they're that fucking insecure that they've adopted a suboptimal measurement system as part of their identity. lol, if you copy parts of your quote and stick into google, you can find exactly where you got your info word for word. . take a step back from this, you are far too young to understand, just a young kid in nappies ""If I take subsets of a piece of text and put it into Google I might get some hits!" Riveting insight, thank you for sharing. | |||
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"stupid Idea!!!! we still use the term acre, I still have the same 3 acres of ground I purchased with my home 10 years ago So without looking it up just tell me how big an acre is... Fact is the metric system is the best system there is. It is the natural system mathematics in the same way as binary is the natural system for computing and returning to a non-unified system would be disastrous for the UK." Without checking, I think it's a furlong by a chain. Now I'll go and check. | |||
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"stupid Idea!!!! we still use the term acre, I still have the same 3 acres of ground I purchased with my home 10 years ago So without looking it up just tell me how big an acre is... Fact is the metric system is the best system there is. It is the natural system mathematics in the same way as binary is the natural system for computing and returning to a non-unified system would be disastrous for the UK." Without checking, I think it's a furlong by a chain. Now I'll go and check. I was correct. 
And, for those that might be interested, a furlong is 10 chains and chain is 22 yards (which also is the length between stumps on a cricket square and where the now 25 meter line used to be on a rugby pitch before rugby went metric) | |||
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"stupid Idea!!!! we still use the term acre, I still have the same 3 acres of ground I purchased with my home 10 years ago So without looking it up just tell me how big an acre is... Fact is the metric system is the best system there is. It is the natural system mathematics in the same way as binary is the natural system for computing and returning to a non-unified system would be disastrous for the UK. an acre compared with what??? I grew up on farms, always talked acres, same with forestry I then got into engineering, again imperial, do you still use miles for road distance or kilometres? do you use MPH for speed or Kilometres? when you purchase trousers are you a 32" waist or some strange metric measurement when you go to your local to meet friends (if you have any) do you ask for a "Pint of beer" or some weird metric measurement . you can keep your pathetic metric system, I will happily stay with the yanks and the "old team Brits"" If your trying to sell anything in US gallons, quarts or pints then you're swindling your customers. On the other hand, if your selling things in US fluid ounces you're actually giving them too much. Also the US yard is slightly bigger than the UK yard and, consequently all US distance measures are slightly larger than their UK equivalent. So you can't stick with both the UK imperial system and the similar, but different, US Customary system because they are --- DIFFERENT. | |||
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"Imperial measurements are fucking garbage. Like most of your posts then. Been working on that one for a bit, have we? Imperial is an objectively shit measurement system, with varying base values and multiple conversion rules for orders of magnitude (all of which have different base values! Wheeee). Metric, by contrast is always base ten, and can be converted into orders of magnitude with one rule. The only reason people use it is cultural inertia, and the only reason they pretend to like it is because they're that fucking insecure that they've adopted a suboptimal measurement system as part of their identity. " I'm not sure that that's completely true. Mathematically speaking a system based on 12 (easily divisible by 2, 3, 4 and 6) or 16 (easily divisible by 2, 4 and 8) is far superior to a system based on 10 (easily divisible by 2 and 5). A system based solely on bases and multiples of 12 would actually be the most mathematically advantages. | |||
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"Imperial measurements are fucking garbage. Like most of your posts then. Been working on that one for a bit, have we? Imperial is an objectively shit measurement system, with varying base values and multiple conversion rules for orders of magnitude (all of which have different base values! Wheeee). Metric, by contrast is always base ten, and can be converted into orders of magnitude with one rule. The only reason people use it is cultural inertia, and the only reason they pretend to like it is because they're that fucking insecure that they've adopted a suboptimal measurement system as part of their identity. I'm not sure that that's completely true. Mathematically speaking a system based on 12 (easily divisible by 2, 3, 4 and 6) or 16 (easily divisible by 2, 4 and 8) is far superior to a system based on 10 (easily divisible by 2 and 5). A system based solely on bases and multiples of 12 would actually be the most mathematically advantages." No. There's a reason our number system is base 10 and it's at the end of your arms. That's the better system for people to use, not base 12 or 16. | |||
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"an acre compared with what??? I grew up on farms, always talked acres, same with forestry I then got into engineering, again imperial, do you still use miles for road distance or kilometres? do you use MPH for speed or Kilometres? when you purchase trousers are you a 32" waist or some strange metric measurement when you go to your local to meet friends (if you have any) do you ask for a "Pint of beer" or some weird metric measurement . you can keep your pathetic metric system, I will happily stay with the yanks and the "old team Brits" You make me laugh at times... An acre compared to what... An acre is a measurement of area equivalent to a furlong by a chain or 220 yards x 22 yards. Funny how the dope on a rope non engineer (with PCN MPI and Eddy Current qualifications from BINDT) knows what an acre is but the farm labourers engineer son does not even know it is a measurement of area.but then I am not an artificer (that is how you described yourself a long time ago). No doubt you cant wait to get back to imperial engineering measurements. The question is will those be BSF, BSC, AF or whitworth? " always AF | |||
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"If your trying to sell anything in US gallons, quarts or pints then you're swindling your customers. On the other hand, if your selling things in US fluid ounces you're actually giving them too much. Also the US yard is slightly bigger than the UK yard and, consequently all US distance measures are slightly larger than their UK equivalent. So you can't stick with both the UK imperial system and the similar, but different, US Customary system because they are --- DIFFERENT." Shush now. You will be upsetting the imperial engineer... | |||
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"Imperial measurements are fucking garbage. Like most of your posts then. Been working on that one for a bit, have we? Imperial is an objectively shit measurement system, with varying base values and multiple conversion rules for orders of magnitude (all of which have different base values! Wheeee). Metric, by contrast is always base ten, and can be converted into orders of magnitude with one rule. The only reason people use it is cultural inertia, and the only reason they pretend to like it is because they're that fucking insecure that they've adopted a suboptimal measurement system as part of their identity. I'm not sure that that's completely true. Mathematically speaking a system based on 12 (easily divisible by 2, 3, 4 and 6) or 16 (easily divisible by 2, 4 and 8) is far superior to a system based on 10 (easily divisible by 2 and 5). A system based solely on bases and multiples of 12 would actually be the most mathematically advantages. No. There's a reason our number system is base 10 and it's at the end of your arms. That's the better system for people to use, not base 12 or 16. " An accident of evolution has lead us to perceive that a sub optimal system is actually better. Try writing out your tables using base 12 (A,B - 11,12) and see for yourself how many number in that system would have easy short cuts similar to 5, 9 and 11 in the system based on 10. | |||
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"If your trying to sell anything in US gallons, quarts or pints then you're swindling your customers. On the other hand, if your selling things in US fluid ounces you're actually giving them too much. Also the US yard is slightly bigger than the UK yard and, consequently all US distance measures are slightly larger than their UK equivalent. So you can't stick with both the UK imperial system and the similar, but different, US Customary system because they are --- DIFFERENT. Shush now. You will be upsetting the imperial engineer..." I think after working 30 years with Occidental, Chevron and Mobil I am fairly up to speed with US & UK measurements, but there is always a smart arse trying to raise points . how many on here measure their speed as km/h (truthfully) do you consider yourself a 32" waist when buying jeans / trousers or 81cm perhaps those who prefer metric only use metric when it suites them, do you measure your height in feet & inches? road distances in yards oh and as for imperial engineer, hope that wasn't directed at me, I am now happily unemployed (retired) | |||
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"If your trying to sell anything in US gallons, quarts or pints then you're swindling your customers. On the other hand, if your selling things in US fluid ounces you're actually giving them too much. Also the US yard is slightly bigger than the UK yard and, consequently all US distance measures are slightly larger than their UK equivalent. So you can't stick with both the UK imperial system and the similar, but different, US Customary system because they are --- DIFFERENT. Shush now. You will be upsetting the imperial engineer... I think after working 30 years with Occidental, Chevron and Mobil I am fairly up to speed with US & UK measurements, but there is always a smart arse trying to raise points . how many on here measure their speed as km/h (truthfully) do you consider yourself a 32" waist when buying jeans / trousers or 81cm perhaps those who prefer metric only use metric when it suites them, do you measure your height in feet & inches? road distances in yards oh and as for imperial engineer, hope that wasn't directed at me, I am now happily unemployed (retired)" Personally I care only slightly more about what system of weights and measures we use than I do about the colour of our passports. My points are are that we can, and always could use whatever system we choose to use, whether in the EU or not but that using a system that is unique to the UK (Imperial is not used in the US or even most, if any, of the commonwealth) is not going to be an advantage. | |||
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"Imperial measurements are fucking garbage. Like most of your posts then. Been working on that one for a bit, have we? Imperial is an objectively shit measurement system, with varying base values and multiple conversion rules for orders of magnitude (all of which have different base values! Wheeee). Metric, by contrast is always base ten, and can be converted into orders of magnitude with one rule. The only reason people use it is cultural inertia, and the only reason they pretend to like it is because they're that fucking insecure that they've adopted a suboptimal measurement system as part of their identity. I'm not sure that that's completely true. Mathematically speaking a system based on 12 (easily divisible by 2, 3, 4 and 6) or 16 (easily divisible by 2, 4 and 8) is far superior to a system based on 10 (easily divisible by 2 and 5). A system based solely on bases and multiples of 12 would actually be the most mathematically advantages. No. There's a reason our number system is base 10 and it's at the end of your arms. That's the better system for people to use, not base 12 or 16. An accident of evolution has lead us to perceive that a sub optimal system is actually better. Try writing out your tables using base 12 (A,B - 11,12) and see for yourself how many number in that system would have easy short cuts similar to 5, 9 and 11 in the system based on 10." Nope, sorry. We're talking about the best system for people to use, not what you consider to be the best for spurious reasons. In that case base ten by virtue of that accident of evolution is the best one. | |||
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"Imperial measurements are fucking garbage. Like most of your posts then. Been working on that one for a bit, have we? Imperial is an objectively shit measurement system, with varying base values and multiple conversion rules for orders of magnitude (all of which have different base values! Wheeee). Metric, by contrast is always base ten, and can be converted into orders of magnitude with one rule. The only reason people use it is cultural inertia, and the only reason they pretend to like it is because they're that fucking insecure that they've adopted a suboptimal measurement system as part of their identity. I'm not sure that that's completely true. Mathematically speaking a system based on 12 (easily divisible by 2, 3, 4 and 6) or 16 (easily divisible by 2, 4 and 8) is far superior to a system based on 10 (easily divisible by 2 and 5). A system based solely on bases and multiples of 12 would actually be the most mathematically advantages. No. There's a reason our number system is base 10 and it's at the end of your arms. That's the better system for people to use, not base 12 or 16. An accident of evolution has lead us to perceive that a sub optimal system is actually better. Try writing out your tables using base 12 (A,B - 11,12) and see for yourself how many number in that system would have easy short cuts similar to 5, 9 and 11 in the system based on 10. Nope, sorry. We're talking about the best system for people to use, not what you consider to be the best for spurious reasons. In that case base ten by virtue of that accident of evolution is the best one." If you really feel that strongly about it who am I to disagree. | |||
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"how many on here measure their speed as km/h (truthfully)" Every person who drives a large commercial vehicle, commercial plant, or a public service vehicle on UK public highways. Plus every train driver on our national railway network... | |||
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"how many on here measure their speed as km/h (truthfully) Every person who drives a large commercial vehicle, commercial plant, or a public service vehicle on UK public highways. Plus every train driver on our national railway network... " But we still measure track length in chains. Just saying | |||
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"Return of pounds and ounces? Britain might allow firms to use imperial measures after Brexit Talks have started again perhaps imperialism has never went away in the first place" it's not April 01st is it? Why the fuck would anyone want to go back to an archaic weighing system? However, as the OP is a Trump sycophant and self-proclaimed Brexiter, it probably does not surprise me. Most Trump/Brexit concepts involve going backwards. | |||
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"The UK started using the Metric system in 1965. Before its involvement with the old EEC. Quite why we would want to regress 50 years just keep a bunch of out if touch 'it was all better in the old days' numpties happy is beyond me. Anybody who went to school in the eighties or later have all been taught in metric. Dump all the nostalgia crap and embrace the modern progressive world. " I’ll give you a giggle from the late 1970s....when I was a youngster and my dad was working as a joiner on a rather posh house conversion. The heating was being done in microbore piping (6mm). However there was not enough....so more was brought in from France. But it lead to leaking joints etc.... The problem was it didn’t quite fit....why? . . Because they didn’t use 6mm pipe in France.....they used 1/4”. Go figure! | |||
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"Hands up...be honest. If you are asked your height...what units of measurement do you use? How heavy are you? Do you use stones or kg? If a lady wants WE or VWE. Does she ask for 8”/10” or does she look for 20.32/25.4cm?" 1.7 metres and 70kg. As confirmed by my last medical check up | |||
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"Switching from pounds to kilos or vice versa, could result in mass confusion "Not really. There won't be a point in time 'switch today' moment. The old fashioned imperial stuff will just fade away as us oldies pass on. | |||
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"Switching from pounds to kilos or vice versa, could result in mass confusion
Not really. There won't be a point in time 'switch today' moment. The old fashioned imperial stuff will just fade away as us oldies pass on. "Whooooossssshhhh !! That was the sound of the joke going right over your head | |||
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"Switching from pounds to kilos or vice versa, could result in mass confusion
Not really. There won't be a point in time 'switch today' moment. The old fashioned imperial stuff will just fade away as us oldies pass on.
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. Let's just go for a barter system...no, wait, then the bullies would win | |||
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"Return of pounds and ounces? Britain might allow firms to use imperial measures after Brexit Talks have started again perhaps imperialism has never went away in the first place" Do explain why the Imperial measurement system is "superior" to the metric one. In simple terms. Could you also explain what prevents anyone from using the Imperial system now. Dig out the nasty EU directive for me like a good chap | |||
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"Return of pounds and ounces? Britain might allow firms to use imperial measures after Brexit Talks have started again perhaps imperialism has never went away in the first place Do explain why the Imperial measurement system is "superior" to the metric one. In simple terms. Could you also explain what prevents anyone from using the Imperial system now. Dig out the nasty EU directive for me like a good chap "I guess this falls to me, which is a little ironical as I personally prefer the metric system. The imperial system was based on measures that people commonly used which was standardised whereas the metric system was standardised and then made to fit its use. This leads the imperial system to have the advantage that the unit of measure for a particular use tends to be a sensible number in the range of 1 to 20. For example I'm 6 foot and 14 stone rather than 182 cm and 88904.11g (88.9 Kilo) | |||
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"Return of pounds and ounces? Britain might allow firms to use imperial measures after Brexit Talks have started again perhaps imperialism has never went away in the first place Do explain why the Imperial measurement system is "superior" to the metric one. In simple terms. Could you also explain what prevents anyone from using the Imperial system now. Dig out the nasty EU directive for me like a good chap
I guess this falls to me, which is a little ironical as I personally prefer the metric system.
The imperial system was based on measures that people commonly used which was standardised whereas the metric system was standardised and then made to fit its use. This leads the imperial system to have the advantage that the unit of measure for a particular use tends to be a sensible number in the range of 1 to 20. For example I'm 6 foot and 14 stone rather than 182 cm and 88904.11g (88.9 Kilo)
"Not quite - you are 1.8m, which is quite logical (metres came first and were then subdivided into centimetres). 90KG seems pretty logical too - I wouldn't say I was 12stone 5and two thirds would I? | |||
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"To be fair - we are in a typically British fence sitting situation. Metric measurements are so much more inherently sensible and yet we hang on to “old” measurements for what???? I think we just need to bite the bullet and get rid of miles and yards in the same way we got rid of gallons. " and how many £billion will it cost to replace all road signs? you know, the ones that display "Miles"; "Yards" etc | |||
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"This is being argued the wrong way around. Decide what a good way to measure (excuse the pun) how good a measure is and the assess the options against it. For example, I would say I’d like a simple and consistent way of stepping up from small distances (say between atoms) and large distances (say between stars) without having to think about what the scaling factor is And I’d want a system that can measure all those things. And a system I can do simple maths with easily. So something easily divisible/multiplicative so when I’m cooking I can change the serving amounts. And easy to add quantities together. None of these feel too controversial if I were starting with a blank piece of paper. (Don’t get me started on what size !!)" Ah you're talking about that unit of interstellar travel - the cup. | |||
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" I think after working 30 years with Occidental, Chevron and Mobil I am fairly up to speed with US & UK measurements, but there is always a smart arse trying to raise points . how many on here measure their speed as km/h (truthfully) do you consider yourself a 32" waist when buying jeans / trousers or 81cm perhaps those who prefer metric only use metric when it suites them, do you measure your height in feet & inches? road distances in yards oh and as for imperial engineer, hope that wasn't directed at me, I am now happily unemployed (retired)" Did you work on the Mars Climate Orbiter? | |||
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" I think after working 30 years with Occidental, Chevron and Mobil I am fairly up to speed with US & UK measurements, but there is always a smart arse trying to raise points . how many on here measure their speed as km/h (truthfully) do you consider yourself a 32" waist when buying jeans / trousers or 81cm perhaps those who prefer metric only use metric when it suites them, do you measure your height in feet & inches? road distances in yards oh and as for imperial engineer, hope that wasn't directed at me, I am now happily unemployed (retired) Did you work on the Mars Climate Orbiter?" NO; But I did regularly work on Mars 100 Generator Sets as well as John Brown's, Rolls Royce Avons, RB211's, and various others | |||
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" I think after working 30 years with Occidental, Chevron and Mobil I am fairly up to speed with US & UK measurements, but there is always a smart arse trying to raise points . how many on here measure their speed as km/h (truthfully) do you consider yourself a 32" waist when buying jeans / trousers or 81cm perhaps those who prefer metric only use metric when it suites them, do you measure your height in feet & inches? road distances in yards oh and as for imperial engineer, hope that wasn't directed at me, I am now happily unemployed (retired) Did you work on the Mars Climate Orbiter? NO; But I did regularly work on Mars 100 Generator Sets as well as John Brown's, Rolls Royce Avons, RB211's, and various others" Then you can provide some specific benefits over the use of the Imperial system of units over the metric system then. How about for calculating area in yards feet and inches compared to metres? What's easier in a computer program say, let alone on paper? | |||
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"stupid Idea!!!! we still use the term acre, I still have the same 3 acres of ground I purchased with my home 10 years ago So without looking it up just tell me how big an acre is... Fact is the metric system is the best system there is. It is the natural system mathematics in the same way as binary is the natural system for computing and returning to a non-unified system would be disastrous for the UK. Without checking, I think it's a furlong by a chain. Now I'll go and check. I was correct.
And, for those that might be interested, a furlong is 10 chains and chain is 22 yards (which also is the length between stumps on a cricket square and where the now 25 meter line used to be on a rugby pitch before rugby went metric) "Bollocks. The line used to be at 25 yards, it's now 22 metres.... | |||
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"The likes of Johnson Gove and Farage would be happy to see the return of pounds shillings and pence, along with farthings to tip the 4 year olds cleaning their chimneys out." I 'cleaning their chimneys out' a euphemism? | |||
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" Did you work on the Mars Climate Orbiter?" The ideal lesson in why we need to ditch imperial measurements. For the record. Born pre decimalisation. I drink pints, I am feet tall and kilos heavy. I drive mph, sail knots and my areas are acres, football pitches and the size of Wales. I am also a chartered engineer and use metric without fail professionally. It does not have to be one or the other. Reasonable people can handle both without a problem. It's a very British trait. | |||
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" Did you work on the Mars Climate Orbiter? The ideal lesson in why we need to ditch imperial measurements. For the record. Born pre decimalisation. I drink pints, I am feet tall and kilos heavy. I drive mph, sail knots and my areas are acres, football pitches and the size of Wales. I am also a chartered engineer and use metric without fail professionally. It does not have to be one or the other. Reasonable people can handle both without a problem. It's a very British trait." That's the point though isn't it. As ever the portrayal is that we have been forced to do something when we haven't and we are reclaiming something that we already have, all dressed up in a false justification that there is a technical advantage. Then silence when any of this is challenged | |||
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"stupid Idea!!!! we still use the term acre, I still have the same 3 acres of ground I purchased with my home 10 years ago So without looking it up just tell me how big an acre is... Fact is the metric system is the best system there is. It is the natural system mathematics in the same way as binary is the natural system for computing and returning to a non-unified system would be disastrous for the UK. Without checking, I think it's a furlong by a chain. Now I'll go and check. I was correct.
And, for those that might be interested, a furlong is 10 chains and chain is 22 yards (which also is the length between stumps on a cricket square and where the now 25 meter line used to be on a rugby pitch before rugby went metric) Bollocks. The line used to be at 25 yards, it's now 22 metres...."I've never claimed to be infallible. | |||
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"How about radio rentals and tiz woz can we get that back too..." Horse and cart? Carrier pigeons? Cholera and Typhoid? I can hardly wait  | |||
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"I would condone the use of imperial measurements for the older generation displayed alongside the metric. Yje 'metric martyr' from Sunderland did this some years back on his market stall, and had no less than 4 police plus a council jobs worth turn up to confiscate his scales because he dared (shock , horror) to sell goods in lbs and oz. " It's legal as long as the measures are calibrated. | |||
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"I would condone the use of imperial measurements for the older generation displayed alongside the metric. Yje 'metric martyr' from Sunderland did this some years back on his market stall, and had no less than 4 police plus a council jobs worth turn up to confiscate his scales because he dared (shock , horror) to sell goods in lbs and oz. " Not quite. It was perfectly acceptable to sell in pounds and ounces as long as the corresponding metric weights were shown. The metric martyr's issue was that he refused to show metric measurements alongside the imperial after repeated requests to do so. | |||
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"I would condone the use of imperial measurements for the older generation displayed alongside the metric. Yje 'metric martyr' from Sunderland did this some years back on his market stall, and had no less than 4 police plus a council jobs worth turn up to confiscate his scales because he dared (shock , horror) to sell goods in lbs and oz. " Good. | |||
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"I would condone the use of imperial measurements for the older generation displayed alongside the metric. Yje 'metric martyr' from Sunderland did this some years back on his market stall, and had no less than 4 police plus a council jobs worth turn up to confiscate his scales because he dared (shock , horror) to sell goods in lbs and oz. " lol, what about quarter pounders from MacDonald's? and why not Kilometres on road signs next to miles why not meters next to road signs displaying yards so many on here say they prefer the metric system but live daily in the imperial UK | |||
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"I would condone the use of imperial measurements for the older generation displayed alongside the metric. Yje 'metric martyr' from Sunderland did this some years back on his market stall, and had no less than 4 police plus a council jobs worth turn up to confiscate his scales because he dared (shock , horror) to sell goods in lbs and oz. lol, what about quarter pounders from MacDonald's? and why not Kilometres on road signs next to miles why not meters next to road signs displaying yards so many on here say they prefer the metric system but live daily in the imperial UK "The 'Quarter Pounder' is a trade mark. It's actually 113.4 g. (Or thereabouts). We were supposed to move to Km and Meters, but the EU gave us a derogation not to. Prepackaged goods sold by weight have to be sold in metric (EU directive). The UK government extended the law to loose goods so as not to have two systems of measurement for the same items. Loose goods (eg fruit and veg), prices can be shown in lbs and oz, but the metric price must be shown more prominently, and they have to be weighed out in metric. The only things allowed to sell in imperial measures a draught beer and cider, milk in returnable containers, and precious metals. | |||
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"I would condone the use of imperial measurements for the older generation displayed alongside the metric. Yje 'metric martyr' from Sunderland did this some years back on his market stall, and had no less than 4 police plus a council jobs worth turn up to confiscate his scales because he dared (shock , horror) to sell goods in lbs and oz. lol, what about quarter pounders from MacDonald's? and why not Kilometres on road signs next to miles why not meters next to road signs displaying yards so many on here say they prefer the metric system but live daily in the imperial UK "Why not road signs in Latin? Why not shoe sizes in trombones? | |||
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"I would condone the use of imperial measurements for the older generation displayed alongside the metric. Yje 'metric martyr' from Sunderland did this some years back on his market stall, and had no less than 4 police plus a council jobs worth turn up to confiscate his scales because he dared (shock , horror) to sell goods in lbs and oz. lol, what about quarter pounders from MacDonald's? and why not Kilometres on road signs next to miles why not meters next to road signs displaying yards so many on here say they prefer the metric system but live daily in the imperial UK "So how about explaining the advantage of the Imperial system over the metric one for engineering and science? Could you also indicate where you are prevented from using the Imperial system? | |||
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"Return of pounds and ounces? Britain might allow firms to use imperial measures after Brexit Talks have started again perhaps imperialism has never went away in the first place" I work with both imperial and metric. When you're used to both, imperial is easier to use. If I make a mistake, it's normally due to using metric, especially mm's. You sometimes get a mental block and make errors jumping between cm & mm and reading the measure, eg, is it 2.140 or 2.040 m. Sounds daft but it happens. People's weight must be in stone and pounds; kg's and lbs on their own mean nothing. Distance by car has to be miles, furlongs, yards. Working with others, usually measure land in metres. | |||
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"Ive never understood the metric system. .. ive always got what ive asked for using imperial ...." ...because you have never been prevented from using the Imperial system | |||
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"I would condone the use of imperial measurements for the older generation displayed alongside the metric. Yje 'metric martyr' from Sunderland did this some years back on his market stall, and had no less than 4 police plus a council jobs worth turn up to confiscate his scales because he dared (shock , horror) to sell goods in lbs and oz. lol, what about quarter pounders from MacDonald's? and why not Kilometres on road signs next to miles why not meters next to road signs displaying yards so many on here say they prefer the metric system but live daily in the imperial UK
So how about explaining the advantage of the Imperial system over the metric one for engineering and science?
Could you also indicate where you are prevented from using the Imperial system?""Can I have 568ml of your finest ale barman" "Yes certainly, 1 pint coming up" | |||
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"Ive never understood the metric system. .. ive always got what ive asked for using imperial .... ...because you have never been prevented from using the Imperial system "You have to submit plans to the council in metric. I'm prevented from using imperial because they would just be thrown back. | |||
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"You sometimes get a mental block and make errors jumping between cm & mm and reading the measure, eg, is it 2.140 or 2.040 m. Sounds daft but it happens." That's just inability to read a scale regardless of the unit used | |||
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"Ive never understood the metric system. .. ive always got what ive asked for using imperial .... ...because you have never been prevented from using the Imperial system
You have to submit plans to the council in metric. I'm prevented from using imperial because they would just be thrown back."If you submitted both measurements, would they be rejected? | |||
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"Ive never understood the metric system. .. ive always got what ive asked for using imperial ...." Water freezing at 0 and boiling at 100 is SOOOOOOOO complicated! | |||
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"If you submitted both measurements, would they be rejected? " Are you self employed? What on earth is the point of doubling your work load for no reason to get paid the same rate for a set of plans? Why do something completely pointless and that's not needed?? If you worked on the railway, distance is in miles, furlongs and yards. You say to your boss, "Aye, I decided to waste Network Rails time and not only fill the paperwork in in imperial, but I've put the metric distance down as well". If I had an employee that was doing that, I would sack the idiot. I think you've chosen a position on the matter and when people point out different experiences and examples, you're posts are getting daft because you're refusing to take them on board. | |||
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"If you submitted both measurements, would they be rejected? Are you self employed? What on earth is the point of doubling your work load for no reason to get paid the same rate for a set of plans? Why do something completely pointless and that's not needed?? If you worked on the railway, distance is in miles, furlongs and yards. You say to your boss, "Aye, I decided to waste Network Rails time and not only fill the paperwork in in imperial, but I've put the metric distance down as well". If I had an employee that was doing that, I would sack the idiot. I think you've chosen a position on the matter and when people point out different experiences and examples, you're posts are getting daft because you're refusing to take them on board." How is that doubling your work load? How long would it take to multiply your measurement in inches by 2.54? If you want to work in inches, and the council wants it in centimetres, then write both measurements, and everyone is happy. | |||
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"You sometimes get a mental block and make errors jumping between cm & mm and reading the measure, eg, is it 2.140 or 2.040 m. Sounds daft but it happens. That's just inability to read a scale regardless of the unit used" No, you have days where doing the quantity of workload and doing numbers all the time, mistakes happen. On critical jobs, two people measure the same job and then you confirm notes. Any discrepancies are then checked on site to see which one is correct. We would love to employ you, you sound brilliant, know everything and faultless of any human error. The last time we met someone like that, it was our teenage son. He hit and went through that phase as well. | |||
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"You sometimes get a mental block and make errors jumping between cm & mm and reading the measure, eg, is it 2.140 or 2.040 m. Sounds daft but it happens. That's just inability to read a scale regardless of the unit used No, you have days where doing the quantity of workload and doing numbers all the time, mistakes happen. On critical jobs, two people measure the same job and then you confirm notes. Any discrepancies are then checked on site to see which one is correct. We would love to employ you, you sound brilliant, know everything and faultless of any human error. The last time we met someone like that, it was our teenage son. He hit and went through that phase as well." So it's down to human error, and nothing to do with metric/imperial. I'm glad you have clarified that working in metric wouldn't have any impact on your ways of working. | |||
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"How is that doubling your work load? How long would it take to multiply your measurement in inches by 2.54? If you want to work in inches, and the council wants it in centimetres, then write both measurements, and everyone is happy." How many plans do you submit per week? What do you get paid for each set off the client? Who would use the imperial measurements? Say a building is 37 bricks wide, less a 10mm perp. That's 8315 mm or 8.315m. What's that in feet and inches? You set the stop watch and write down the feet, inches and fraction of an inch of 8.315 m. Do that, say, 40 times on different measurements where the council doesn't want them. Explain to your boss what you've done in his time. | |||
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"How is that doubling your work load? How long would it take to multiply your measurement in inches by 2.54? If you want to work in inches, and the council wants it in centimetres, then write both measurements, and everyone is happy. How many plans do you submit per week? What do you get paid for each set off the client? Who would use the imperial measurements? Say a building is 37 bricks wide, less a 10mm perp. That's 8315 mm or 8.315m. What's that in feet and inches? You set the stop watch and write down the feet, inches and fraction of an inch of 8.315 m. Do that, say, 40 times on different measurements where the council doesn't want them. Explain to your boss what you've done in his time. " So you work in metric, and the council works in metric...... so..... what's the problem exactly? | |||
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"So it's down to human error, and nothing to do with metric/imperial. I'm glad you have clarified that working in metric wouldn't have any impact on your ways of working. "You're not very knowledgeable. | |||
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"So it's down to human error, and nothing to do with metric/imperial. I'm glad you have clarified that working in metric wouldn't have any impact on your ways of working.
You're not very knowledgeable."No? Maybe you can help me out, which one of these is a well known saying: 1. Measure twice, cut once. 2. Measure twice, cut once when using metric, but if you use imperial, it will be right the first time, so you can just measure once and cut once. | |||
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"How is that doubling your work load? How long would it take to multiply your measurement in inches by 2.54? If you want to work in inches, and the council wants it in centimetres, then write both measurements, and everyone is happy. How many plans do you submit per week? What do you get paid for each set off the client? Who would use the imperial measurements? Say a building is 37 bricks wide, less a 10mm perp. That's 8315 mm or 8.315m. What's that in feet and inches? You set the stop watch and write down the feet, inches and fraction of an inch of 8.315 m. Do that, say, 40 times on different measurements where the council doesn't want them. Explain to your boss what you've done in his time. So you work in metric, and the council works in metric...... so..... what's the problem exactly? "You're wanting me to do both. I explained a situation where imperial is not needed. You say you're not prohibited from using imperial in that instance. But it makes no sense to use imperial. It just boils down to the fact that you're just being really anal and facetious. | |||
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"How is that doubling your work load? How long would it take to multiply your measurement in inches by 2.54? If you want to work in inches, and the council wants it in centimetres, then write both measurements, and everyone is happy. How many plans do you submit per week? What do you get paid for each set off the client? Who would use the imperial measurements? Say a building is 37 bricks wide, less a 10mm perp. That's 8315 mm or 8.315m. What's that in feet and inches? You set the stop watch and write down the feet, inches and fraction of an inch of 8.315 m. Do that, say, 40 times on different measurements where the council doesn't want them. Explain to your boss what you've done in his time. So you work in metric, and the council works in metric...... so..... what's the problem exactly?
You're wanting me to do both. I explained a situation where imperial is not needed. You say you're not prohibited from using imperial in that instance. But it makes no sense to use imperial.
It just boils down to the fact that you're just being really anal and facetious."The point is, you are not prohibited from using imperial like you said you were. You are perfectly free to work in either system, and submit drawings to the council in metric or both. If you don't want to work in imperial, you don't have to! | |||
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"Have a read on setting out roofs. The vast majority of roofers use imperial, the article tells you why. You might learn something for a change. www.roofconsult.co.uk/articles/tiling/tips17.htm" "While old habits die hard, adopting metric measurement for all construction work, including roofing, is far easier than imperial once learned. It is also more accurate and quicker to undertake than imperial, and will become more so when steel measuring tape manufacturers realise that not everybody is left handed or measures from left to right." You didn't read that article at all, did you. | |||
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"Have a read on setting out roofs. The vast majority of roofers use imperial, the article tells you why. You might learn something for a change. www.roofconsult.co.uk/articles/tiling/tips17.htm "While old habits die hard, adopting metric measurement for all construction work, including roofing, is far easier than imperial once learned. It is also more accurate and quicker to undertake than imperial, and will become more so when steel measuring tape manufacturers realise that not everybody is left handed or measures from left to right." You didn't read that article at all, did you." Haha, what a massive fail! Here are some more quotes from the article from those who didn't look at the link: "Roofers' steel measuring tapes should be metric on both edges with the numbers set so that they can be read easily for both left and right handed use." "Since the whole of the construction industry converted to metric measure in 1974, and all specifications, literature and products are produced in metric, why is imperial measurement on the measuring tape at all?" "Metric being to the power of ten makes multiples or divisions of any given dimension far easier to calculate (especially without a calculator) than imperial measurements and fractions." Did you look at the YouTube video I posted? It's quite illuminating on the shortcomings of imperial measurements. | |||
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"Ive never understood the metric system. .. ive always got what ive asked for using imperial .... ...because you have never been prevented from using the Imperial system
You have to submit plans to the council in metric. I'm prevented from using imperial because they would just be thrown back."That isn't an EU requirement. It's your council's requirement. | |||
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"Did you look at the YouTube video I posted? It's quite illuminating on the shortcomings of imperial measurements. " No, if I or we did that, we would be the laughing stock in the office, pmsfl. | |||
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"Work with a roofer and work on a site, only then you will understand. With the tape measure going left to right, you also need the tape to also go from top to bottom to set the lathes out. When I have to go on site, the roofers check the tile and headlap in inches, they set the lathes out in imperial and that roof is accurately finished before you can fart. In my experience, the vast majority of roofs set out wrong is due to metric and lathes are being pulled off. The content of the article points out the two but imperial is preferred. The conclusion favours metric, the roofers and visual on site experience favours imperial. If you came to re-roof my house using metric, you would be kicked off site. If you came to build a wall in metric or imperial, crack on. There's an article on stonework done by a "long established consultancy" firm, over 30 years. Most of the content is correct and good to give trainees, there are glaring mistakes and errors in the pictures. Everyone is better off sticking to their own job and what they know and be prepared to take on board information about other jobs. My work force are employed because of their behaviours, it's easy to learn product knowledge than behaviours. Our employees thus want to learn, adapt and take on board ideas. We avoid those that have great product knowledge but poor behaviours. That's I can say really, enjoy your day, just avoid most roofers "It is only the existence of an older generation who insist on using Imperial units that new staff have to "adapt" and learn "new" skills. They are probably more likely to make more mistakes converting from metric to Imperial just as you do so the other way around. Whatever regulations are in place have to be adhered to regardless unless there is a technical reason for changing them. Would you say that there is any benefit to using Imperial rather than metric units beyond the fact that you are used to them? The OP has failed to address this so far... | |||
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"Work with a roofer and work on a site, only then you will understand. With the tape measure going left to right, you also need the tape to also go from top to bottom to set the lathes out. When I have to go on site, the roofers check the tile and headlap in inches, they set the lathes out in imperial and that roof is accurately finished before you can fart. In my experience, the vast majority of roofs set out wrong is due to metric and lathes are being pulled off. The content of the article points out the two but imperial is preferred. The conclusion favours metric, the roofers and visual on site experience favours imperial. If you came to re-roof my house using metric, you would be kicked off site. If you came to build a wall in metric or imperial, crack on. There's an article on stonework done by a "long established consultancy" firm, over 30 years. Most of the content is correct and good to give trainees, there are glaring mistakes and errors in the pictures. Everyone is better off sticking to their own job and what they know and be prepared to take on board information about other jobs. My work force are employed because of their behaviours, it's easy to learn product knowledge than behaviours. Our employees thus want to learn, adapt and take on board ideas. We avoid those that have great product knowledge but poor behaviours. That's I can say really, enjoy your day, just avoid most roofers
It is only the existence of an older generation who insist on using Imperial units that new staff have to "adapt" and learn "new" skills. They are probably more likely to make more mistakes converting from metric to Imperial just as you do so the other way around.
Whatever regulations are in place have to be adhered to regardless unless there is a technical reason for changing them.
Would you say that there is any benefit to using Imperial rather than metric units beyond the fact that you are used to them? The OP has failed to address this so far..."Yes, I've explained roofs. Young apprentices that I've seen are doing roofs in imperial. I suppose the lathes are actually 2b1 !! I mentioned circles, I mentioned radians radians, technically a modern version of degrees. Why 360°? | |||
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"Did you look at the YouTube video I posted? It's quite illuminating on the shortcomings of imperial measurements. No, if I or we did that, we would be the laughing stock in the office, pmsfl. " So why not have a look and a good old laugh then. It's only a clip from the TV show American Chopper. | |||
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"That isn't an EU requirement. It's your council's requirement." Hence why we use metric, imperial is deterred and a waste of time, unless we post them to Brussels | |||
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"Ive never understood the metric system. .. ive always got what ive asked for using imperial .... Water freezing at 0 and boiling at 100 is SOOOOOOOO complicated! " I've seen water boil at 25, and water still liquid well below zero. | |||
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"Work with a roofer and work on a site, only then you will understand. With the tape measure going left to right, you also need the tape to also go from top to bottom to set the lathes out. When I have to go on site, the roofers check the tile and headlap in inches, they set the lathes out in imperial and that roof is accurately finished before you can fart. In my experience, the vast majority of roofs set out wrong is due to metric and lathes are being pulled off. The content of the article points out the two but imperial is preferred. The conclusion favours metric, the roofers and visual on site experience favours imperial. If you came to re-roof my house using metric, you would be kicked off site. If you came to build a wall in metric or imperial, crack on. There's an article on stonework done by a "long established consultancy" firm, over 30 years. Most of the content is correct and good to give trainees, there are glaring mistakes and errors in the pictures. Everyone is better off sticking to their own job and what they know and be prepared to take on board information about other jobs. My work force are employed because of their behaviours, it's easy to learn product knowledge than behaviours. Our employees thus want to learn, adapt and take on board ideas. We avoid those that have great product knowledge but poor behaviours. That's I can say really, enjoy your day, just avoid most roofers "And thus we learn, roofers are idiots. Thanks for that. | |||
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"And thus we learn, roofers are idiots. Thanks for that." Apologies, I didn't realise you were a roofer
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"A number of years ago, I briefly tutored at a college over at the North East before funding was pulled due to the banking crisis. Part of the class was for the lads to measure the width and height of a door etc.. Half the lads didn't know what the numbers meant on the tape measure. The non academic kids often took up a trade. We showed them that a door is normally 1981mm in height and can be, for example, 686mm, 762mm and 838mm wide. Then you have to allow for a door casing, plus you might have to half those figures etc.. when doing work. Hinges 150mm down and 225mm up. Or you could have 6'6" door height, 2'3, 2'6" and 2'9" wide with hinges 6" down and 9"up. Question, did they find base 10 or imperial easier to work with? Yup, they remembered the imperial small numbers and could half them etc.. in their heads. But **** it, lets change literature to metric, plans to metric, manufactures spec to metric and find imperial easy to use. And kids get told this from those who know best!!! You can't be stood half your time with a calculator, it's done piece work and not hourly. And if you snap a bolt, 99 times out of a hundred, you used a metric bolt. There are pros and cons to both systems and you Will work more efficiently and accurately with one or the other in different circumstances, but to dictate to people which one to use is very ignorant, hence the EU shite." I'm guessing you still haven't watched the video! Which would they find easier in their head, 1981mm + 20mm for the casing, or 6 7/8 minus 7 1/4? | |||
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"And thus we learn, roofers are idiots. Thanks for that. Apologies, I didn't realise you were a roofer
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Seriously, your type of personality should keep clear of a site, or you'll forever be visiting A&E. People skills = zero."I don't think I'd ever need worry about that. I'm far more interested in what other conclusion you'd expect anyone to draw, though. Seeing as in the face of the evidence, supplied by you, that metric is the superior system, what other conclusion could we draw from your insistence that roofers are insistent on using the inferior system? | |||
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"Why are road distances still measured in Miles and Yards and why do the whole of UK still use these measurements including you? "Because all these lies about the EU enforcing the metric system on us are bollocks? | |||
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"Why are road distances still measured in Miles and Yards and why do the whole of UK still use these measurements including you? "Why are tachographs calibrated to km/h? Why does HS1 use km/h speed limits? Why has OS used kilometres in every map I've ever bought? | |||
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"You sometimes get a mental block and make errors jumping between cm & mm and reading the measure, eg, is it 2.140 or 2.040 m. Sounds daft but it happens. That's just inability to read a scale regardless of the unit used No, you have days where doing the quantity of workload and doing numbers all the time, mistakes happen. On critical jobs, two people measure the same job and then you confirm notes. Any discrepancies are then checked on site to see which one is correct. We would love to employ you, you sound brilliant, know everything and faultless of any human error. The last time we met someone like that, it was our teenage son. He hit and went through that phase as well." You couldn't afford me, nor would I work for firm where such an irresponsible attitude to work is dismissed as 'doing numbers all the time, mistakes happen'. | |||
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"I would condone the use of imperial measurements for the older generation displayed alongside the metric. Yje 'metric martyr' from Sunderland did this some years back on his market stall, and had no less than 4 police plus a council jobs worth turn up to confiscate his scales because he dared (shock , horror) to sell goods in lbs and oz. lol, what about quarter pounders from MacDonald's? and why not Kilometres on road signs next to miles why not meters next to road signs displaying yards so many on here say they prefer the metric system but live daily in the imperial UK "Those are callwd big mac's arnt tbey? Or a Royal with cheese from Pulp Fiction | |||
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"I would condone the use of imperial measurements for the older generation displayed alongside the metric. Yje 'metric martyr' from Sunderland did this some years back on his market stall, and had no less than 4 police plus a council jobs worth turn up to confiscate his scales because he dared (shock , horror) to sell goods in lbs and oz. Not quite. It was perfectly acceptable to sell in pounds and ounces as long as the corresponding metric weights were shown. The metric martyr's issue was that he refused to show metric measurements alongside the imperial after repeated requests to do so." Ah right, thought he was displaying both. | |||
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"I would condone the use of imperial measurements for the older generation displayed alongside the metric. Yje 'metric martyr' from Sunderland did this some years back on his market stall, and had no less than 4 police plus a council jobs worth turn up to confiscate his scales because he dared (shock , horror) to sell goods in lbs and oz. Good." You want your 0.4535923kg of flesh dont you | |||
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"You won't have a clue so I will explain. You can divide 360 by 1,2,3,4,5,6,8,9 and get a whole number. You won't find many 7 sided buildings!!!!!! There are 6.28 radians to a circle. Armed with that knowledge, why isn't a joiner diving angles in radians? Why not use a more modern method? Why are wood chop saws in degrees? Why is 22.5° on a chop saw in red? Did you know, you would be better off if you had 12 fingers and worked in base 12 on computers! Like I said, you stick to your job that I don't preach to you about and I'll stick to my job that you feel qualified to preach to me about, lol." Actually there are 2 pi radians in 360deg. From that starting point radians aren't that complicated are they? The inclusion of pi makes any even vaguely complex mathematical calculation including area and volume let alone rotation, passing frequency or planetary orbits much, much simpler. I also don't see how adding a measurement in yards, feet, inches and fractions of inches is easier than adding a decimal measurement in a single unit. Even more so for area or volume. All I can see is that it's "easier" for your generation so any new member of staff is taught to do it your way. Inherently, if planning has to be provided in metric it would be easier to work in metric wouldn't it? Regardless,and I don't think you were disputing this, you can work in any unit that you wish and the EU has not dictated otherwise... | |||
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"Why are road distances still measured in Miles and Yards and why do the whole of UK still use these measurements including you? "Once again, what is the technical benefit of using Imperial units over metric? Is there a benefit to using the metric system for calculations? | |||
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"I wish people could get 'meters' and 'metres' correct. A friend was on holiday for a couple of months and he text me to read his gas and electric 'metres' and text them back. Metre is a unit of length/distance Meter is a device that measures and records the quantity, degree, or rate of something Metric has dumbed down many people's brains and so they're bamboozled with fractions." Damned predictive spelling! | |||
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"Why are road distances still measured in Miles and Yards and why do the whole of UK still use these measurements including you? "Whatever about road signs being wrong, I measure myself in KG and cm. | |||
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"Return of pounds and ounces? Britain might allow firms to use imperial measures after Brexit Talks have started again perhaps imperialism has never went away in the first place Do explain why the Imperial measurement system is "superior" to the metric one. In simple terms. Could you also explain what prevents anyone from using the Imperial system now. Dig out the nasty EU directive for me like a good chap "Makes people thing more and use there brains | |||
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"While we're at it why don't we all switch back to valve based computing and analog TV? " Horse and cart? | |||
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"While we're at it why don't we all switch back to valve based computing and analog TV? Horse and cart? " I think wheels were a foreign invention. Probably best to be patriotic and walk. Hang on, I need to Google "who invented shoes" next. | |||
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"I think I will be sticking to the best method... a mixture of both Imperial & Metric "I agree, but so many on here think imperial is a thing of the past, they do not realise they use imperial every day of their lives (as well as metric of course) | |||
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"I think I will be sticking to the best method... a mixture of both Imperial & Metric
I agree, but so many on here think imperial is a thing of the past, they do not realise they use imperial every day of their lives (as well as metric of course) "I have not objection to anyone personally using any unit they choose to. Still waiting for you to provide some technical advantages of using Imperial over metric though... | |||
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"I think I will be sticking to the best method... a mixture of both Imperial & Metric
I agree, but so many on here think imperial is a thing of the past"That's because it is, or at the very least ought to be. | |||
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"I think I will be sticking to the best method... a mixture of both Imperial & Metric
I agree, but so many on here think imperial is a thing of the past
That's because it is, or at the very least ought to be."Why do you still drive in MPH then John and gauge your distance in miles and yards | |||
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"I think I will be sticking to the best method... a mixture of both Imperial & Metric
I agree, but so many on here think imperial is a thing of the past
That's because it is, or at the very least ought to be.
Why do you still drive in MPH then John and gauge your distance in miles and yards"...because that's what you grow up with and are used to. You are also free to do so. Brexit does make you any more or less free to do so. I assume that you would not contend that someone from France would find it easier to gauge speed in mph or distance in miles and yards than kph and meters would you? Again, I'll ask the same question as to if there is any inherent technical advantage, in using Imperial measures? Are there disadvantages for a scientist, engineer or software programmer? | |||
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"I think I will be sticking to the best method... a mixture of both Imperial & Metric
I agree, but so many on here think imperial is a thing of the past, they do not realise they use imperial every day of their lives (as well as metric of course) "I think pretty much everyone knows where they use metric and where they use imperial. I'm guessing the reason people think in mph is because that's what most Speedos read. Other than that, I think in kilos of produce, my own weight, litres of fuel and milk. I think in meters and kilometres when it comes to sporting events. We've been teaching metric in schools since 1972. Imperial will die out as less and less people use it. The world is getting smaller, brexit or not and the rest of the world (save America) uses metric. If we want to export goods to them or import goods from them, so will we. | |||
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"I think I will be sticking to the best method... a mixture of both Imperial & Metric
I agree, but so many on here think imperial is a thing of the past, they do not realise they use imperial every day of their lives (as well as metric of course)
I think pretty much everyone knows where they use metric and where they use imperial.
I'm guessing the reason people think in mph is because that's what most Speedos read.
Other than that, I think in kilos of produce, my own weight, litres of fuel and milk. I think in meters and kilometres when it comes to sporting events.
We've been teaching metric in schools since 1972. Imperial will die out as less and less people use it.
The world is getting smaller, brexit or not and the rest of the world (save America) uses metric. If we want to export goods to them or import goods from them, so will we."Jimi you can select k/ph on most digital speedo's but you cannot select kilometres on road signs and you cannot select meters on road signs, YOU my son are stuck with miles and yards whether you like it or not | |||
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"I think I will be sticking to the best method... a mixture of both Imperial & Metric
I agree, but so many on here think imperial is a thing of the past, they do not realise they use imperial every day of their lives (as well as metric of course)
I think pretty much everyone knows where they use metric and where they use imperial.
I'm guessing the reason people think in mph is because that's what most Speedos read.
Other than that, I think in kilos of produce, my own weight, litres of fuel and milk. I think in meters and kilometres when it comes to sporting events.
We've been teaching metric in schools since 1972. Imperial will die out as less and less people use it.
The world is getting smaller, brexit or not and the rest of the world (save America) uses metric. If we want to export goods to them or import goods from them, so will we.
Jimi
you can select k/ph on most digital speedo's but you cannot select kilometres on road signs and you cannot select meters on road signs, YOU my son are stuck with miles and yards whether you like it or not "Which means that we have always had them and Brexit makes no difference. Is there is any inherent technical advantage, in using Imperial measures? Are there disadvantages for a scientist, engineer or software programmer? | |||
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"I think I will be sticking to the best method... a mixture of both Imperial & Metric
I agree, but so many on here think imperial is a thing of the past, they do not realise they use imperial every day of their lives (as well as metric of course)
I think pretty much everyone knows where they use metric and where they use imperial.
I'm guessing the reason people think in mph is because that's what most Speedos read.
Other than that, I think in kilos of produce, my own weight, litres of fuel and milk. I think in meters and kilometres when it comes to sporting events.
We've been teaching metric in schools since 1972. Imperial will die out as less and less people use it.
The world is getting smaller, brexit or not and the rest of the world (save America) uses metric. If we want to export goods to them or import goods from them, so will we.
Jimi
you can select k/ph on most digital speedo's but you cannot select kilometres on road signs and you cannot select meters on road signs, YOU my son are stuck with miles and yards whether you like it or not "Road signs can be changed. | |||
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"I think I will be sticking to the best method... a mixture of both Imperial & Metric
I agree, but so many on here think imperial is a thing of the past
That's because it is, or at the very least ought to be.
Why do you still drive in MPH then John and gauge your distance in miles and yards"I don't. | |||
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"I think I will be sticking to the best method... a mixture of both Imperial & Metric
I agree, but so many on here think imperial is a thing of the past
That's because it is, or at the very least ought to be.
Why do you still drive in MPH then John and gauge your distance in miles and yards
I don't."Well the speed limits are in mph so is your speedo ...mot failure if not | |||
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"Why do you still drive in MPH then John and gauge your distance in miles and yards" FWIW, I drive in mph because the country forces me to, however I calculate shorter distances in meters and kilometers. If someone tells me that something is a mile away, I translate that in my head to 'about a kilometer and a half'. Imperial doesn't make any sense to me. It doesn't make sense why a mile is 1609 meters (or 1760 yards). That doesn't work for any form of functional mathematical system. I'm really, really bad at maths so if you asked me to work out how many yards there are in 17 miles I'd need a calculator. But if you ask me to work out how many meters in 17 kilometers, that's easy! Imperial measurements may have made sense once, but then everyone realise that they were a joke and didn't work properly. I have no idea why we didn't transfer to metric for the road system over a period of time, but we should have done. | |||
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"I think I will be sticking to the best method... a mixture of both Imperial & Metric
I agree, but so many on here think imperial is a thing of the past, they do not realise they use imperial every day of their lives (as well as metric of course)
I think pretty much everyone knows where they use metric and where they use imperial.
I'm guessing the reason people think in mph is because that's what most Speedos read.
Other than that, I think in kilos of produce, my own weight, litres of fuel and milk. I think in meters and kilometres when it comes to sporting events.
We've been teaching metric in schools since 1972. Imperial will die out as less and less people use it.
The world is getting smaller, brexit or not and the rest of the world (save America) uses metric. If we want to export goods to them or import goods from them, so will we.
Jimi
you can select k/ph on most digital speedo's but you cannot select kilometres on road signs and you cannot select meters on road signs, YOU my son are stuck with miles and yards whether you like it or not
Road signs can be changed."But they won't be. UK Road sign will stay in miles. | |||
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"I think I will be sticking to the best method... a mixture of both Imperial & Metric
I agree, but so many on here think imperial is a thing of the past, they do not realise they use imperial every day of their lives (as well as metric of course)
I think pretty much everyone knows where they use metric and where they use imperial.
I'm guessing the reason people think in mph is because that's what most Speedos read.
Other than that, I think in kilos of produce, my own weight, litres of fuel and milk. I think in meters and kilometres when it comes to sporting events.
We've been teaching metric in schools since 1972. Imperial will die out as less and less people use it.
The world is getting smaller, brexit or not and the rest of the world (save America) uses metric. If we want to export goods to them or import goods from them, so will we.
Jimi
you can select k/ph on most digital speedo's but you cannot select kilometres on road signs and you cannot select meters on road signs, YOU my son are stuck with miles and yards whether you like it or not
Road signs can be changed.
But they won't be. UK Road sign will stay in miles. "And Yards | |||
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"I think I will be sticking to the best method... a mixture of both Imperial & Metric
I agree, but so many on here think imperial is a thing of the past, they do not realise they use imperial every day of their lives (as well as metric of course)
I think pretty much everyone knows where they use metric and where they use imperial.
I'm guessing the reason people think in mph is because that's what most Speedos read.
Other than that, I think in kilos of produce, my own weight, litres of fuel and milk. I think in meters and kilometres when it comes to sporting events.
We've been teaching metric in schools since 1972. Imperial will die out as less and less people use it.
The world is getting smaller, brexit or not and the rest of the world (save America) uses metric. If we want to export goods to them or import goods from them, so will we.
Jimi
you can select k/ph on most digital speedo's but you cannot select kilometres on road signs and you cannot select meters on road signs, YOU my son are stuck with miles and yards whether you like it or not
Road signs can be changed.
But they won't be. UK Road sign will stay in miles.
And Yards"For now. It'll probably be one of the things we change when we decide we're staying in, or returning, to the EU. | |||
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"I think I will be sticking to the best method... a mixture of both Imperial & Metric
I agree, but so many on here think imperial is a thing of the past, they do not realise they use imperial every day of their lives (as well as metric of course)
I think pretty much everyone knows where they use metric and where they use imperial.
I'm guessing the reason people think in mph is because that's what most Speedos read.
Other than that, I think in kilos of produce, my own weight, litres of fuel and milk. I think in meters and kilometres when it comes to sporting events.
We've been teaching metric in schools since 1972. Imperial will die out as less and less people use it.
The world is getting smaller, brexit or not and the rest of the world (save America) uses metric. If we want to export goods to them or import goods from them, so will we.
Jimi
you can select k/ph on most digital speedo's but you cannot select kilometres on road signs and you cannot select meters on road signs, YOU my son are stuck with miles and yards whether you like it or not
Road signs can be changed.
But they won't be. UK Road sign will stay in miles.
And Yards
For now. It'll probably be one of the things we change when we decide we're staying in, or returning, to the EU."I imagine they will change, not when anything EU related changes, but when they die out. I made a mistake earlier - metric has been taught exclusively in schools since 1976, not 72, so miles are increasingly irrelevant to the population, and will be replaced when they become obsolete (ie nobody has any idea, functionally what a mile is). Nobody thinks in gallons of liquid who is younger than, say 40. Pints may remain longer as they persist culturally, but I'm not sure that the 68ml between a half litre and a pint really matter. I've worked on agriculture (not really known for accepting change fast) and I can't think of anyone who doesn't think in Kilos when it comes to livestock - I can tell you what a 40KG lamb looks like, I can differentiate with some accuracy between that and a 35KG one, for example. I can't even remember a time when animals on the hoof weren't sold in kilos. I've worked in fish farming and could easily tell you a 1-2KG salmon as opposed to 2-3KG one, but couldn't hazard a guess in lbs and Oz. | |||
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