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"Was on Sky News this morning Eight prototypes for Donald Trump's controversial wall between the US and Mexico have been installed along the border for testing Six construction companies bidding for the contract to build the wall have submitted their designs - all of them between 18 and 30 feet high. and also to a depth under to prevent tunnelling so? will this happen? " Trump has delivered on at least 5 or 6 of his promises so far so every reason to believe he will deliver on the wall too. | |||
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"It might......who cares one way or another?" I am sure the construction company employees care a hell of a lot, long duration of employment for one. | |||
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"Was on Sky News this morning Eight prototypes for Donald Trump's controversial wall between the US and Mexico have been installed along the border for testing Six construction companies bidding for the contract to build the wall have submitted their designs - all of them between 18 and 30 feet high. and also to a depth under to prevent tunnelling so? will this happen? " Are Mexico still paying for it? | |||
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"It might......who cares one way or another? I am sure the construction company employees care a hell of a lot, long duration of employment for one." I wonder what the wage differential will be between the north and south of the border? How long do you think the construction companies will hold out before they start employing non-US citizens to build it? Trump has already made it clear he plans to tax US citizens to pay for it. -Matt | |||
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"Was on Sky News this morning Eight prototypes for Donald Trump's controversial wall between the US and Mexico have been installed along the border for testing Six construction companies bidding for the contract to build the wall have submitted their designs - all of them between 18 and 30 feet high. and also to a depth under to prevent tunnelling so? will this happen? Trump has delivered on at least 5 or 6 of his promises so far so every reason to believe he will deliver on the wall too. " How much are they paying? | |||
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"Was on Sky News this morning Eight prototypes for Donald Trump's controversial wall between the US and Mexico have been installed along the border for testing Six construction companies bidding for the contract to build the wall have submitted their designs - all of them between 18 and 30 feet high. and also to a depth under to prevent tunnelling so? will this happen? Trump has delivered on at least 5 or 6 of his promises so far so every reason to believe he will deliver on the wall too. " I'm calling bullshit on this. Trump has failed on all of his set piece promises bar slashing corporate taxes. He couldn't deliver a fucking pizza. | |||
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"Is he hoping to keep the Mexicans out,or the yanks in ?" Neither. He is hoping to keep enough stupid people duped to try and get his abysmal ratings up high enough to think he has a chance of surviving reelection. And to distract from the investigations going on about him. He doesn't give a shit about mexicans or yanks. Hence why he is happy to employ mexicans on his project as they are cheaper, and happy to outsource his production to other countries as it is cheaper. People will just sail around the wall, or fly over it and outstay their vacations like any person with more than half a brain cell and wanting to get into a country would do. You know, like all those EU nationals over here that we are meant to despise because they are supposedly using up our services and resources to the detriment of our patriotic blue-passport-waving-we-hate-the-liberal-elites-ooooh-look-a-new-royal-isn't-her-dress-lovely nationals. -Matt | |||
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"Was on Sky News this morning Eight prototypes for Donald Trump's controversial wall between the US and Mexico have been installed along the border for testing Six construction companies bidding for the contract to build the wall have submitted their designs - all of them between 18 and 30 feet high. and also to a depth under to prevent tunnelling so? will this happen? " Maybe. Is this good for you if it does? Who will pay? How much will it cost to build? How much will it cost to man and maintain? How much will it save? Will the cost of food and other goods increase for Americans as a consequence? By how much? Is that good? Will the wall be a continuous wall or will there just be a few bits for the publicity? Will you try to address any of these questions or like your chum Centaur will you avoid answering anything that requires some data and balancing of pros and cons?  | |||
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"Was on Sky News this morning Eight prototypes for Donald Trump's controversial wall between the US and Mexico have been installed along the border for testing Six construction companies bidding for the contract to build the wall have submitted their designs - all of them between 18 and 30 feet high. and also to a depth under to prevent tunnelling so? will this happen? Trump has delivered on at least 5 or 6 of his promises so far so every reason to believe he will deliver on the wall too. " Is Trump always right? Is everything that he says good for America? Is it good for you? Is it good for the world? Still trying to work out what makes someone a sycophant so your answers would be useful  | |||
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"It might......who cares one way or another? I am sure the construction company employees care a hell of a lot, long duration of employment for one." I meant who cares this side of the pond? I for one couldn’t give a stuff what the doofus does next. Perhaps this thread should be in the USA forum? | |||
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"Was on Sky News this morning Eight prototypes for Donald Trump's controversial wall between the US and Mexico have been installed along the border for testing Six construction companies bidding for the contract to build the wall have submitted their designs - all of them between 18 and 30 feet high. and also to a depth under to prevent tunnelling so? will this happen? Maybe. Is this good for you if it does? Who will pay? How much will it cost to build? How much will it cost to man and maintain? How much will it save? Will the cost of food and other goods increase for Americans as a consequence? By how much? Is that good? Will the wall be a continuous wall or will there just be a few bits for the publicity? Will you try to address any of these questions or like your chum Centaur will you avoid answering anything that requires some data and balancing of pros and cons? "Are any of your questions relevant? The only relevant question here is....Did the American people elect Trump on the promise of him building a wall? The answer is YES they did! Its just like honouring a manifesto promise here. Trump intends to deliver on his promises I see nothing wrong with that. | |||
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"Was on Sky News this morning Eight prototypes for Donald Trump's controversial wall between the US and Mexico have been installed along the border for testing Six construction companies bidding for the contract to build the wall have submitted their designs - all of them between 18 and 30 feet high. and also to a depth under to prevent tunnelling so? will this happen? Trump has delivered on at least 5 or 6 of his promises so far so every reason to believe he will deliver on the wall too. Is Trump always right? Is everything that he says good for America? Is it good for you? Is it good for the world? Still trying to work out what makes someone a sycophant so your answers would be useful "It's not a matter of him being right or wrong. It's a matter of Trump delivering the promises on which he was elected by the American people. | |||
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"Was on Sky News this morning Eight prototypes for Donald Trump's controversial wall between the US and Mexico have been installed along the border for testing Six construction companies bidding for the contract to build the wall have submitted their designs - all of them between 18 and 30 feet high. and also to a depth under to prevent tunnelling so? will this happen? Trump has delivered on at least 5 or 6 of his promises so far so every reason to believe he will deliver on the wall too. Is Trump always right? Is everything that he says good for America? Is it good for you? Is it good for the world? Still trying to work out what makes someone a sycophant so your answers would be useful
It's not a matter of him being right or wrong. It's a matter of Trump delivering the promises on which he was elected by the American people. "Except he hasn't You are aware of this I assume? | |||
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"Was on Sky News this morning Eight prototypes for Donald Trump's controversial wall between the US and Mexico have been installed along the border for testing Six construction companies bidding for the contract to build the wall have submitted their designs - all of them between 18 and 30 feet high. and also to a depth under to prevent tunnelling so? will this happen? Trump has delivered on at least 5 or 6 of his promises so far so every reason to believe he will deliver on the wall too. I'm calling bullshit on this. Trump has failed on all of his set piece promises bar slashing corporate taxes. He couldn't deliver a fucking pizza." 1. Implement his tax reforms - delivered. 2. Withdraw the USA from the Trans Pacific Partnership trade agreement - delivered. 3. Withdraw USA from the Paris Climate accord - delivered. 4. Name Jerusalem as the Capital of Israel - delivered. 5. Start work on the new oil pipeline in the north creating thousands of new jobs - delivered 6. Travel ban which is partly in effect since the Appeals court ruling on it - partly delivered. So as I said Trump has delivered on 5 or 6 of his promises so far which the American people elected him to deliver on. | |||
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"Was on Sky News this morning Eight prototypes for Donald Trump's controversial wall between the US and Mexico have been installed along the border for testing Six construction companies bidding for the contract to build the wall have submitted their designs - all of them between 18 and 30 feet high. and also to a depth under to prevent tunnelling so? will this happen? Maybe. Is this good for you if it does? Who will pay? How much will it cost to build? How much will it cost to man and maintain? How much will it save? Will the cost of food and other goods increase for Americans as a consequence? By how much? Is that good? Will the wall be a continuous wall or will there just be a few bits for the publicity? Will you try to address any of these questions or like your chum Centaur will you avoid answering anything that requires some data and balancing of pros and cons?
Are any of your questions relevant? The only relevant question here is....Did the American people elect Trump on the promise of him building a wall? The answer is YES they did!
Its just like honouring a manifesto promise here. Trump intends to deliver on his promises I see nothing wrong with that. "Yes old chum. Especially as you just ably demonstrated the last one
Did you actually read the words that I wrote or did you reboot because house have to consider other options?
We can start with the fact that more Americans voted against Trump than for him. He is the legitimate President, but most Americans, it seems, don't want a wall to be built. Should he take heed of the , vocal, majority or ignore them?
When people do vote for a political party or individual do they support every promise they make or balance some against others?
The questions all lead to analysing what the promise was. He was going to build a walk to keep Mexicans out; “They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”
Are they? If not then what will be achieved by keeping his promise if it impoverishes his people more than it benefits them?
If it is an incomplete wall will he have kept his promise?
Is it better to keep a promise that is counterproductive once the actuators and benefits have been worked out or is it better to do it anyway? | |||
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"Trump would not deliver your pizza...The fat fool would eat it and state it was the biggest greatest pizza the world has ever known..... "No, no, he'd deliver you a lasagne, but tell you he'd delivered you a pizza. Then if you called him out of in he'd yell 'fake news!' and tell you that there is a costal liberal anti-pizza conspiracy that was started by the Lasagne cartels. He'd then spend ages saying Hilary needs investigation because she likes pineapple on her pizza and that is a crime. Despite the fact half his party and most of his family love hawaiian pizzas and were eating them last week. At a fund-raiser by Putin. -Matt | |||
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"Was on Sky News this morning Eight prototypes for Donald Trump's controversial wall between the US and Mexico have been installed along the border for testing Six construction companies bidding for the contract to build the wall have submitted their designs - all of them between 18 and 30 feet high. and also to a depth under to prevent tunnelling so? will this happen? Maybe. Is this good for you if it does? Who will pay? How much will it cost to build? How much will it cost to man and maintain? How much will it save? Will the cost of food and other goods increase for Americans as a consequence? By how much? Is that good? Will the wall be a continuous wall or will there just be a few bits for the publicity? Will you try to address any of these questions or like your chum Centaur will you avoid answering anything that requires some data and balancing of pros and cons?
Are any of your questions relevant? The only relevant question here is....Did the American people elect Trump on the promise of him building a wall? The answer is YES they did!
Its just like honouring a manifesto promise here. Trump intends to deliver on his promises I see nothing wrong with that. "More bullshit from the kipper Never answers a question properly lies and lies and lies and lies oh yes forgot to say lies and more lies | |||
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"To re-post a quip made by a Ukip supporter: "The US should save it's money and not build the wall. We've got a fucking moat and that doesn't work" Made me chuckle ". Which is a bit exactly!. Just give companies very large fines for employing illegals, no wall or hard border needed, it will all go away tomorrow  | |||
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"Was on Sky News this morning Eight prototypes for Donald Trump's controversial wall between the US and Mexico have been installed along the border for testing Six construction companies bidding for the contract to build the wall have submitted their designs - all of them between 18 and 30 feet high. and also to a depth under to prevent tunnelling so? will this happen? Are Mexico still paying for it? " No, we should make Scotland pay for it  | |||
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"Was on Sky News this morning Eight prototypes for Donald Trump's controversial wall between the US and Mexico have been installed along the border for testing Six construction companies bidding for the contract to build the wall have submitted their designs - all of them between 18 and 30 feet high. and also to a depth under to prevent tunnelling so? will this happen? Trump has delivered on at least 5 or 6 of his promises so far so every reason to believe he will deliver on the wall too. I'm calling bullshit on this. Trump has failed on all of his set piece promises bar slashing corporate taxes. He couldn't deliver a fucking pizza. 1. Implement his tax reforms - delivered. 2. Withdraw the USA from the Trans Pacific Partnership trade agreement - delivered. 3. Withdraw USA from the Paris Climate accord - delivered. 4. Name Jerusalem as the Capital of Israel - delivered. 5. Start work on the new oil pipeline in the north creating thousands of new jobs - delivered 6. Travel ban which is partly in effect since the Appeals court ruling on it - partly delivered. So as I said Trump has delivered on 5 or 6 of his promises so far which the American people elected him to deliver on. " So was it an election promise to decide where the Capital of Israel is ??? | |||
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"It might......who cares one way or another? I am sure the construction company employees care a hell of a lot, long duration of employment for one. I meant who cares this side of the pond? I for one couldn’t give a stuff what the doofus does next. Perhaps this thread should be in the USA forum?" You obviously do care as you are so keen to comment 
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"To re-post a quip made by a Ukip supporter: "The US should save it's money and not build the wall. We've got a fucking moat and that doesn't work" Made me chuckle .
Which is a bit exactly!.
Just give companies very large fines for employing illegals, no wall or hard border needed, it will all go away tomorrow "Firm’s like Trump’s you mean? Do you not see a flaw in that plan? -Matt | |||
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"All legitimate Americans want a wall built between the US and Mexico. It will not inconvenience anyone who legally wishes to travel across the southern border. I for one don't need Mexico to pay for it, and as one of the few on this forum who pay US taxes, I don't think anyone who needs an airplane or boat to travel to the US should be passionate about it either way. The President is doing right by the American people, and I applaud the fact that despite being demonized for doing right for us, he doesn't buckle or waiver so that his ratings are good with Hollywood! Illegitimate, often criminally motivated non citizens continue to cross into and reside in the US with no respect for the law, or rules that Americans are safely governed by. Those of us who care about the future of our country would like this to end ASAP. " So the people who disagree with you are "illegitimate" Americans then? What should happen to them? | |||
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"All legitimate Americans want a wall built between the US and Mexico. It will not inconvenience anyone who legally wishes to travel across the southern border. I for one don't need Mexico to pay for it, and as one of the few on this forum who pay US taxes, I don't think anyone who needs an airplane or boat to travel to the US should be passionate about it either way. The President is doing right by the American people, and I applaud the fact that despite being demonized for doing right for us, he doesn't buckle or waiver so that his ratings are good with Hollywood! Illegitimate, often criminally motivated non citizens continue to cross into and reside in the US with no respect for the law, or rules that Americans are safely governed by. Those of us who care about the future of our country would like this to end ASAP. " ALL (like 100%) of my work and business from colleagues from Boca, Miami, New Jersey and Cleveland regard themselves as legitimate Americans and ALL think that “the wall” is a waste of time, money and effort designed only to appeal to knuckle dragging white people who are fighting their last breaths of white entitlement. The future is bridges and not walls and most sensible, forward thinking people can see through the knee jerk reactions otherwise known as Trump and Brexit. | |||
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"And in the event there is confusion, this wall will have border crossings so that properly documented travelers can come and go with little inconvenience. It seems that the interpretation sometimes is that were talking about an impenetrable border, which it is not. " Of course it is not impenetrable. Aeroplanes fly over it, boats sail around it and people pass through it. It is purely symbolic and hence a total waste of time, money and effort just to say - we white guys are better than you stupid dago’s; so here is a fence to keep you out. | |||
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"All legitimate Americans want a wall built between the US and Mexico. It will not inconvenience anyone who legally wishes to travel across the southern border. I for one don't need Mexico to pay for it, and as one of the few on this forum who pay US taxes, I don't think anyone who needs an airplane or boat to travel to the US should be passionate about it either way. The President is doing right by the American people, and I applaud the fact that despite being demonized for doing right for us, he doesn't buckle or waiver so that his ratings are good with Hollywood! Illegitimate, often criminally motivated non citizens continue to cross into and reside in the US with no respect for the law, or rules that Americans are safely governed by. Those of us who care about the future of our country would like this to end ASAP. ALL (like 100%) of my work and business from colleagues from Boca, Miami, New Jersey and Cleveland regard themselves as legitimate Americans and ALL think that “the wall” is a waste of time, money and effort designed only to appeal to knuckle dragging white people who are fighting their last breaths of white entitlement. The future is bridges and not walls and most sensible, forward thinking people can see through the knee jerk reactions otherwise known as Trump and Brexit." All the Americans I know are against it too | |||
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"All legitimate Americans want a wall built between the US and Mexico. It will not inconvenience anyone who legally wishes to travel across the southern border. I for one don't need Mexico to pay for it, and as one of the few on this forum who pay US taxes, I don't think anyone who needs an airplane or boat to travel to the US should be passionate about it either way. The President is doing right by the American people, and I applaud the fact that despite being demonized for doing right for us, he doesn't buckle or waiver so that his ratings are good with Hollywood! Illegitimate, often criminally motivated non citizens continue to cross into and reside in the US with no respect for the law, or rules that Americans are safely governed by. Those of us who care about the future of our country would like this to end ASAP. "
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"All legitimate Americans want a wall built between the US and Mexico. It will not inconvenience anyone who legally wishes to travel across the southern border. I for one don't need Mexico to pay for it, and as one of the few on this forum who pay US taxes, I don't think anyone who needs an airplane or boat to travel to the US should be passionate about it either way. The President is doing right by the American people, and I applaud the fact that despite being demonized for doing right for us, he doesn't buckle or waiver so that his ratings are good with Hollywood! Illegitimate, often criminally motivated non citizens continue to cross into and reside in the US with no respect for the law, or rules that Americans are safely governed by. Those of us who care about the future of our country would like this to end ASAP. ALL (like 100%) of my work and business from colleagues from Boca, Miami, New Jersey and Cleveland regard themselves as legitimate Americans and ALL think that “the wall” is a waste of time, money and effort designed only to appeal to knuckle dragging white people who are fighting their last breaths of white entitlement. The future is bridges and not walls and most sensible, forward thinking people can see through the knee jerk reactions otherwise known as Trump and Brexit. All the Americans I know are against it too" Well Trump won the Presidency and the wall was probably the most well known policy during his election campaign. It's what Trump supporters voted for in their millions. | |||
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"All legitimate Americans want a wall built between the US and Mexico. It will not inconvenience anyone who legally wishes to travel across the southern border. I for one don't need Mexico to pay for it, and as one of the few on this forum who pay US taxes, I don't think anyone who needs an airplane or boat to travel to the US should be passionate about it either way. The President is doing right by the American people, and I applaud the fact that despite being demonized for doing right for us, he doesn't buckle or waiver so that his ratings are good with Hollywood! Illegitimate, often criminally motivated non citizens continue to cross into and reside in the US with no respect for the law, or rules that Americans are safely governed by. Those of us who care about the future of our country would like this to end ASAP.
Good to hear from an American citizen with real experience of what is happening there on the ground. "What's happening on the ground? Tampa is 1333 miles away from the Mexican border! | |||
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"Thank you for helping me clarify. Yes, airplanes and boats will navigate said wall in their own way, and continue to use travel documents and diplomatic clearances to get into the country as they always have. The existing border control points will also continue the process that has worked in the past utilizing internationally recognized travel documents. The much needed change for us white assholes is that now there will not be hundreds of miles of non controlled crossing points, and we can minimize those who wish to come into the country illegally, and encourage them to travel legally as I'm sure you do. " You know that more than 50% of illegal immigrants in the US are people who overstay their visas right? So they are all using the "internationally recognized travel documents" you mention. | |||
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"All legitimate Americans want a wall built between the US and Mexico. It will not inconvenience anyone who legally wishes to travel across the southern border. I for one don't need Mexico to pay for it, and as one of the few on this forum who pay US taxes, I don't think anyone who needs an airplane or boat to travel to the US should be passionate about it either way. The President is doing right by the American people, and I applaud the fact that despite being demonized for doing right for us, he doesn't buckle or waiver so that his ratings are good with Hollywood! Illegitimate, often criminally motivated non citizens continue to cross into and reside in the US with no respect for the law, or rules that Americans are safely governed by. Those of us who care about the future of our country would like this to end ASAP. ALL (like 100%) of my work and business from colleagues from Boca, Miami, New Jersey and Cleveland regard themselves as legitimate Americans and ALL think that “the wall” is a waste of time, money and effort designed only to appeal to knuckle dragging white people who are fighting their last breaths of white entitlement. The future is bridges and not walls and most sensible, forward thinking people can see through the knee jerk reactions otherwise known as Trump and Brexit. All the Americans I know are against it too Well Trump won the Presidency and the wall was probably the most well known policy during his election campaign. It's what Trump supporters voted for in their millions. " Just checking. Did more US citizens vote for or against Trump. I'm not questioning his legitimacy as President, just the implication that more Americans support the wall than reject it. I just asked for a fact check Centaur. Can you find it for us? | |||
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"All legitimate Americans want a wall built between the US and Mexico. It will not inconvenience anyone who legally wishes to travel across the southern border. I for one don't need Mexico to pay for it, and as one of the few on this forum who pay US taxes, I don't think anyone who needs an airplane or boat to travel to the US should be passionate about it either way. The President is doing right by the American people, and I applaud the fact that despite being demonized for doing right for us, he doesn't buckle or waiver so that his ratings are good with Hollywood! Illegitimate, often criminally motivated non citizens continue to cross into and reside in the US with no respect for the law, or rules that Americans are safely governed by. Those of us who care about the future of our country would like this to end ASAP. ALL (like 100%) of my work and business from colleagues from Boca, Miami, New Jersey and Cleveland regard themselves as legitimate Americans and ALL think that “the wall” is a waste of time, money and effort designed only to appeal to knuckle dragging white people who are fighting their last breaths of white entitlement. The future is bridges and not walls and most sensible, forward thinking people can see through the knee jerk reactions otherwise known as Trump and Brexit. All the Americans I know are against it too Well Trump won the Presidency and the wall was probably the most well known policy during his election campaign. It's what Trump supporters voted for in their millions. Just checking. Did more US citizens vote for or against Trump. I'm not questioning his legitimacy as President, just the implication that more Americans support the wall than reject it. I just asked for a fact check Centaur. Can you find it for us? "I said millions of US citizens voted for Trump (and the wall). What do you consider to be false about that statement? If you're going to start the old 'But Clinton won the popular vote' argument then why do you have such a problem with Brexit winning the popular vote here in the UK? You can't have it both ways. All elections have rules and both sides know the rules to begin with. Remain knew they had to win the popular vote to win the EU referendum - Remain lost the popular vote. Clinton knew she had to win the Electoral college to win the Presidency - Clinton lost the Electoral college. It's no good complaining about the rules after the event, it just makes you look like an incredibly bad sore loser. | |||
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"All legitimate Americans want a wall built between the US and Mexico. It will not inconvenience anyone who legally wishes to travel across the southern border. I for one don't need Mexico to pay for it, and as one of the few on this forum who pay US taxes, I don't think anyone who needs an airplane or boat to travel to the US should be passionate about it either way. The President is doing right by the American people, and I applaud the fact that despite being demonized for doing right for us, he doesn't buckle or waiver so that his ratings are good with Hollywood! Illegitimate, often criminally motivated non citizens continue to cross into and reside in the US with no respect for the law, or rules that Americans are safely governed by. Those of us who care about the future of our country would like this to end ASAP. ALL (like 100%) of my work and business from colleagues from Boca, Miami, New Jersey and Cleveland regard themselves as legitimate Americans and ALL think that “the wall” is a waste of time, money and effort designed only to appeal to knuckle dragging white people who are fighting their last breaths of white entitlement. The future is bridges and not walls and most sensible, forward thinking people can see through the knee jerk reactions otherwise known as Trump and Brexit. All the Americans I know are against it too Well Trump won the Presidency and the wall was probably the most well known policy during his election campaign. It's what Trump supporters voted for in their millions. Just checking. Did more US citizens vote for or against Trump. I'm not questioning his legitimacy as President, just the implication that more Americans support the wall than reject it. I just asked for a fact check Centaur. Can you find it for us?
I said millions of US citizens voted for Trump (and the wall). What do you consider to be false about that statement?
If you're going to start the old 'But Clinton won the popular vote' argument then why do you have such a problem with Brexit winning the popular vote here in the UK?
You can't have it both ways.
All elections have rules and both sides know the rules to begin with.
Remain knew they had to win the popular vote to win the EU referendum - Remain lost the popular vote.
Clinton knew she had to win the Electoral college to win the Presidency - Clinton lost the Electoral college.
It's no good complaining about the rules after the event, it just makes you look like an incredibly bad sore loser. "What are you upset about now? You are so very fragile. So sorry. I've never doubted that more people voted to leave the EU than to remain. I very much doubt that it will prove to be a good decision, but that's my opinion. I didn't question Trump's legitimacy. I didn't deny that millions of people voted for him did I? I merely said that more people voted against Trump and his wall and asked you to confirm that to be true. Can you confirm that to be true Centaur? Just asking | |||
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"And I'm not sure what's "knee jerk" about an election process that covers more than a year, but our country did require a reactive change. I can't speak on Brexit, and frankly don't feel entitled to as it has nothing really to do with me, and I can't affect it." Could you confirm if more US citizens voted for the building of the wall or against it by dint of their vote for or against Donald Trump? If more people voted against Trump and therefore the wall are more Americans illegitimate than legitimate? It's quite confusing  | |||
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"I just googled how long is the US Mexican border... Its: 3.13983 million miles long... Guess Trump intends to give the Mexicans a lot of US Real Estate in order to reduce the border to a nice strait 2000 mile wall as I am sure that the Mexicans will not be handing any territory to Trump. " So you do still measure distance in Miles after all you said on the Imperial/Metric thread then. | |||
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"I just googled how long is the US Mexican border... Its: 3.13983 million miles long... Guess Trump intends to give the Mexicans a lot of US Real Estate in order to reduce the border to a nice strait 2000 mile wall as I am sure that the Mexicans will not be handing any territory to Trump. " That's meters Will, not miles! | |||
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"I just googled how long is the US Mexican border... Its: 3.13983 million miles long... Guess Trump intends to give the Mexicans a lot of US Real Estate in order to reduce the border to a nice strait 2000 mile wall as I am sure that the Mexicans will not be handing any territory to Trump. That's meters Will, not miles!" I was hoping trump was going to build a ladder to the moon after he’s finished the wall! What’s 225,000 miles when you’ve built 3.1million miles of wall | |||
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"What are you drinking? I think Easyuk is drinking sour grapes juice by the sound of it. " Why doe me asking if more Americans voted against Trump than for him imply that I've been drinking? Are you a child to take that as a line of argument? Do you know how many million more Americans do not want a wall than do want a wall? Can you tell us?
Do you and your new American friend know how much it will cost?
Will the Mexicans pay for it?
Will labour costs and food costs rise as a consequence? Will US products start to become uncompetitive as a consequence?
How much will it cost to maintain annually compared to the "cost" of illegal immigration?
Would they make more money by policing the existing law such that it became too expensive and risky for big companies (like the ones Trump owns) to employ them?
Do you think that the balancing of these calculations make slogans rather more complicated in there delivery than their promise?
Is this too complicated? Is your head hurting because it means thinking about lots of different aspects?
Is your continued inability to assess your own cognitive bias still making you angry and stroppy?
Centaur, if you just believe something out of blind faith then say it. It's a position, like religion, which you can take. I would applaud you for it.
However, pretending that there are logical arguments to support your assertions only works if you can back them up with some facts, can respond directly to a few reasonable questions and can accept that there's another opposing viewpoint to yours which is also valid.
A vote for or against something does not make it the right thing to do nor the logical thing to do. It just means that people do or do not want something to happen because of or despite the facts.
We could vote in a government tomorrow that did not believe that vaccination worked because they read an outdated newspaper article once. All vaccinations would stop and plagues would ravage the country. That would be democratic. That would be legal. That would be stupid.
That's why politicians and governments have to assess the easy promises they made before election and if the facts dictate it, change their mind 
That's the same as "breaking a promise".
Oh no, a DIFFICULT decision.
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"So you do still measure distance in Miles after all you said on the Imperial/Metric thread then. "Not me measuring it, but google and that's a Yank company. Regardless, it does not take away from the fact that to shrink 3.17 million miles to 2000 takes some doing... | |||
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"All legitimate Americans want a wall built between the US and Mexico. It will not inconvenience anyone who legally wishes to travel across the southern border. I for one don't need Mexico to pay for it, and as one of the few on this forum who pay US taxes, I don't think anyone who needs an airplane or boat to travel to the US should be passionate about it either way. The President is doing right by the American people, and I applaud the fact that despite being demonized for doing right for us, he doesn't buckle or waiver so that his ratings are good with Hollywood! Illegitimate, often criminally motivated non citizens continue to cross into and reside in the US with no respect for the law, or rules that Americans are safely governed by. Those of us who care about the future of our country would like this to end ASAP. ALL (like 100%) of my work and business from colleagues from Boca, Miami, New Jersey and Cleveland regard themselves as legitimate Americans and ALL think that “the wall” is a waste of time, money and effort designed only to appeal to knuckle dragging white people who are fighting their last breaths of white entitlement. The future is bridges and not walls and most sensible, forward thinking people can see through the knee jerk reactions otherwise known as Trump and Brexit. All the Americans I know are against it too Well Trump won the Presidency and the wall was probably the most well known policy during his election campaign. It's what Trump supporters voted for in their millions. " I am just back from 4 weeks in USA, the Americans I spoke to on West Coast and the ones I spoke to on vacation in Hawaii all supported the wall Many were also upset and actually "pissed off" with the amount of countries voting against America moving Embassy to Jerusalem, they were fairly fucked off due to the amount of overseas aid they pay these countries and they hope Trump will stop these payments. Guess it depends what side of USA you are on and what state you are in | |||
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" I am just back from 4 weeks in USA, the Americans I spoke to on West Coast and the ones I spoke to on vacation in Hawaii all supported the wall Many were also upset and actually "pissed off" with the amount of countries voting against America moving Embassy to Jerusalem, they were fairly fucked off due to the amount of overseas aid they pay these countries and they hope Trump will stop these payments. Guess it depends what side of USA you are on and what state you are in" Wow. California is the most anti-Trump of all States and the Democrat vote was twice that of the Republican vote last year. It is a FACT that California is overwhelmingly anti-Trump and anti-Trump policies. It is almost statistically impossible for you to have found only supporters of "The Wall" on the West Coast unless you exclusively visited Republican sycophant events and even then it is doubtful you would have found overwhelming support for the Wall. California has a huge Hispanic influence and even amongst Californian Republicans, there is real anxiety about the wall. Geography is a bitch when you want to twist the truth. I call bullshit on your post and it would not have even taken much research before posting the bullshit that you may have been called out. The political demographics of the west coast are more than well known. | |||
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" I am just back from 4 weeks in USA, the Americans I spoke to on West Coast and the ones I spoke to on vacation in Hawaii all supported the wall Many were also upset and actually "pissed off" with the amount of countries voting against America moving Embassy to Jerusalem, they were fairly fucked off due to the amount of overseas aid they pay these countries and they hope Trump will stop these payments. Guess it depends what side of USA you are on and what state you are in Wow. California is the most anti-Trump of all States and the Democrat vote was twice that of the Republican vote last year. It is a FACT that California is overwhelmingly anti-Trump and anti-Trump policies. It is almost statistically impossible for you to have found only supporters of "The Wall" on the West Coast unless you exclusively visited Republican sycophant events and even then it is doubtful you would have found overwhelming support for the Wall. California has a huge Hispanic influence and even amongst Californian Republicans, there is real anxiety about the wall. Geography is a bitch when you want to twist the truth. I call bullshit on your post and it would not have even taken much research before posting the bullshit that you may have been called out. The political demographics of the west coast are more than well known." To be fair, Oregon and Washington are also both on the West Coast and have some pretty strong Trump-supporting counties. Despite California being something like a fifth of the entire US GDP, there are some other places on that side. -Matt | |||
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" I am just back from 4 weeks in USA, the Americans I spoke to on West Coast and the ones I spoke to on vacation in Hawaii all supported the wall Many were also upset and actually "pissed off" with the amount of countries voting against America moving Embassy to Jerusalem, they were fairly fucked off due to the amount of overseas aid they pay these countries and they hope Trump will stop these payments. Guess it depends what side of USA you are on and what state you are in Wow. California is the most anti-Trump of all States and the Democrat vote was twice that of the Republican vote last year. It is a FACT that California is overwhelmingly anti-Trump and anti-Trump policies. It is almost statistically impossible for you to have found only supporters of "The Wall" on the West Coast unless you exclusively visited Republican sycophant events and even then it is doubtful you would have found overwhelming support for the Wall. California has a huge Hispanic influence and even amongst Californian Republicans, there is real anxiety about the wall. Geography is a bitch when you want to twist the truth. I call bullshit on your post and it would not have even taken much research before posting the bullshit that you may have been called out. The political demographics of the west coast are more than well known. To be fair, Oregon and Washington are also both on the West Coast and have some pretty strong Trump-supporting counties. Despite California being something like a fifth of the entire US GDP, there are some other places on that side. -Matt" I don’t doubt it, but the “west coast” is terminology most often used for California. “Pacific coast” would best describe Oregan and Washington - albeit both could equally describe all. I would have thought that a poster so in love with the United States would have known this - but then again??? Who knows what who knows and who is who in the world of Fabswingers.... | |||
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"All legitimate Americans want a wall built between the US and Mexico. It will not inconvenience anyone who legally wishes to travel across the southern border. I for one don't need Mexico to pay for it, and as one of the few on this forum who pay US taxes, I don't think anyone who needs an airplane or boat to travel to the US should be passionate about it either way. The President is doing right by the American people, and I applaud the fact that despite being demonized for doing right for us, he doesn't buckle or waiver so that his ratings are good with Hollywood! Illegitimate, often criminally motivated non citizens continue to cross into and reside in the US with no respect for the law, or rules that Americans are safely governed by. Those of us who care about the future of our country would like this to end ASAP. ALL (like 100%) of my work and business from colleagues from Boca, Miami, New Jersey and Cleveland regard themselves as legitimate Americans and ALL think that “the wall” is a waste of time, money and effort designed only to appeal to knuckle dragging white people who are fighting their last breaths of white entitlement. The future is bridges and not walls and most sensible, forward thinking people can see through the knee jerk reactions otherwise known as Trump and Brexit. All the Americans I know are against it too Well Trump won the Presidency and the wall was probably the most well known policy during his election campaign. It's what Trump supporters voted for in their millions. I am just back from 4 weeks in USA, the Americans I spoke to on West Coast and the ones I spoke to on vacation in Hawaii all supported the wall Many were also upset and actually "pissed off" with the amount of countries voting against America moving Embassy to Jerusalem, they were fairly fucked off due to the amount of overseas aid they pay these countries and they hope Trump will stop these payments. Guess it depends what side of USA you are on and what state you are in" What was their demographic? Do you think that it was a representative cross-section of society? Is it possible that your definition of "the Americans" is limited by where you go and to whom you choose to speak to or chose to speak to you? Just a thought. You don't have to think if it makes you uncomfortable though | |||
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" I am just back from 4 weeks in USA, the Americans I spoke to on West Coast and the ones I spoke to on vacation in Hawaii all supported the wall Many were also upset and actually "pissed off" with the amount of countries voting against America moving Embassy to Jerusalem, they were fairly fucked off due to the amount of overseas aid they pay these countries and they hope Trump will stop these payments. Guess it depends what side of USA you are on and what state you are in Wow. California is the most anti-Trump of all States and the Democrat vote was twice that of the Republican vote last year. It is a FACT that California is overwhelmingly anti-Trump and anti-Trump policies. It is almost statistically impossible for you to have found only supporters of "The Wall" on the West Coast unless you exclusively visited Republican sycophant events and even then it is doubtful you would have found overwhelming support for the Wall. California has a huge Hispanic influence and even amongst Californian Republicans, there is real anxiety about the wall. Geography is a bitch when you want to twist the truth. I call bullshit on your post and it would not have even taken much research before posting the bullshit that you may have been called out. The political demographics of the west coast are more than well known." LOL! Is this like on election night when you said you were sitting in a bar in Cleveland, Ohio, watching the election on a big screen and to quote your exact words you said, ...."There are no Trumpsters in this bar." Then Hey Presto, Ohio went to Trump! Lmao
Before you deny it, i looked up the thread where you made the comment, here it is in all its glory....
www.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/569475#message_11732325
If any Trump supporters or neutrals are reading this then check out the link and read the whole thread, it is truly hilarious reading, seeing as Christmas is a time of good cheer.  | |||
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" LOL! Is this like on election night when you said you were sitting in a bar in Cleveland, Ohio, watching the election on a big screen and to quote your exact words you said, ...."There are no Trumpsters in this bar." Then Hey Presto, Ohio went to Trump! Lmao
Before you deny it, i looked up the thread where you made the comment, here it is in all its glory....
www.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/569475#message_11732325
If any Trump supporters or neutrals are reading this then check out the link and read the whole thread, it is truly hilarious reading, seeing as Christmas is a time of good cheer. "OK - So I have looked through the thread and can find nothing of such great hilarity. The issue here is that you don't know the difference between urban (Metropolitan) votes and rural votes. I don't know the exact breakdown, because I have never checked but there are hugely different voting patterns between rural voters and those who live in the cities. That said, there are always exceptions like the Attorney who I referred to in that thread who I still associate with because he does work for us. He has changed in the last year and although he says that he still could not vote for a Decocratic he thinks that Trump's days are numbered because of his (Trump's) incompetence in appointing nominee's to key judicial positions. By the way, argumentum ad hominem is the lamest debating tactic known to man and it is generally employed by those unable to engage in a meaningful debate using common reason. At least challenge the message if you want to be taken seriously. | |||
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" LOL! Is this like on election night when you said you were sitting in a bar in Cleveland, Ohio, watching the election on a big screen and to quote your exact words you said, ...."There are no Trumpsters in this bar." Then Hey Presto, Ohio went to Trump! Lmao
Before you deny it, i looked up the thread where you made the comment, here it is in all its glory....
www.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/569475#message_11732325
If any Trump supporters or neutrals are reading this then check out the link and read the whole thread, it is truly hilarious reading, seeing as Christmas is a time of good cheer.
OK - So I have looked through the thread and can find nothing of such great hilarity.
The issue here is that you don't know the difference between urban (Metropolitan) votes and rural votes. I don't know the exact breakdown, because I have never checked but there are hugely different voting patterns between rural voters and those who live in the cities. That said, there are always exceptions like the Attorney who I referred to in that thread who I still associate with because he does work for us. He has changed in the last year and although he says that he still could not vote for a Decocratic he thinks that Trump's days are numbered because of his (Trump's) incompetence in appointing nominee's to key judicial positions.
By the way, argumentum ad hominem is the lamest debating tactic known to man and it is generally employed by those unable to engage in a meaningful debate using common reason. At least challenge the message if you want to be taken seriously."I did say it would be hilarious reading for Trump supporters and neutrals, you are neither, you are clearly a Democrat party Clinton supporter. When someone else said on that thread that Trump had won Ohio you replied with, (and I quote you again here)... "Rubbish". You were still in denial even when the writing was on the wall with the exit polls. You thought because you were in a bar in Cleveland (where apparently there were no Trumpsters) that was a sign Clinton was going to win Ohio. Just how wrong can you be? Maybe it was a sycophantic Democrat bar though and you just didn't bother to tell anyone that little bit of information. As someone else said on that other thread this is what watching too much of the biased brainwashing bullshit on CNN will do to you. | |||
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" LOL! Is this like on election night when you said you were sitting in a bar in Cleveland, Ohio, watching the election on a big screen and to quote your exact words you said, ...."There are no Trumpsters in this bar." Then Hey Presto, Ohio went to Trump! Lmao
Before you deny it, i looked up the thread where you made the comment, here it is in all its glory....
www.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/569475#message_11732325
If any Trump supporters or neutrals are reading this then check out the link and read the whole thread, it is truly hilarious reading, seeing as Christmas is a time of good cheer.
OK - So I have looked through the thread and can find nothing of such great hilarity.
The issue here is that you don't know the difference between urban (Metropolitan) votes and rural votes. I don't know the exact breakdown, because I have never checked but there are hugely different voting patterns between rural voters and those who live in the cities. That said, there are always exceptions like the Attorney who I referred to in that thread who I still associate with because he does work for us. He has changed in the last year and although he says that he still could not vote for a Decocratic he thinks that Trump's days are numbered because of his (Trump's) incompetence in appointing nominee's to key judicial positions.
By the way, argumentum ad hominem is the lamest debating tactic known to man and it is generally employed by those unable to engage in a meaningful debate using common reason. At least challenge the message if you want to be taken seriously.
I did say it would be hilarious reading for Trump supporters and neutrals, you are neither, you are clearly a Democrat party Clinton supporter. When someone else said on that thread that Trump had won Ohio you replied with, (and I quote you again here)... "Rubbish". You were still in denial even when the writing was on the wall with the exit polls. You thought because you were in a bar in Cleveland (where apparently there were no Trumpsters) that was a sign Clinton was going to win Ohio. Just how wrong can you be? Maybe it was a sycophantic Democrat bar though and you just didn't bother to tell anyone that little bit of information. As someone else said on that other thread this is what watching too much of the biased brainwashing bullshit on CNN will do to you. "Take a look at voting demographics and in fact Wikipedia is a good source. Type in (State) voting 2016 presidential election. You will see that in almost every state, urban votes are Democrat and rural votes are Republican. If you want to look at Ohio you will see the three most populous cities are in Counties that voted Democrat and quite significantly so in Cleveland (Cuyahoga County). In the same way, that Republican voices would be in short supply in the city of Cleveland, so would they also be in California. Hence getting back to the point. It would be almost impossible to speak to only Trump supporters on the west coast when every single coastal county was Democratic. At the very least you would get a mixed result. That said, the Hispanic influence in California is a major factor that has made the wall very, very controversial amongst Californian Republicans. If you would do a little research, you might find out that you would understand things a little more than you appear to do. By the way... We (my business partners and I) will benefit massively from Trumps recent tax cuts. This doesn’t mean I am suddenly a Trump supporter and for that matter I never was a Hilary supporter. I thought at the time (and I still do) that Trump will damage America more than he will improve it. Personally I think the US needs a good dose of socialism and Bernie would have been great. But that will never happen. | |||
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" I am just back from 4 weeks in USA, the Americans I spoke to on West Coast and the ones I spoke to on vacation in Hawaii all supported the wall Many were also upset and actually "pissed off" with the amount of countries voting against America moving Embassy to Jerusalem, they were fairly fucked off due to the amount of overseas aid they pay these countries and they hope Trump will stop these payments. Guess it depends what side of USA you are on and what state you are in Wow. California is the most anti-Trump of all States and the Democrat vote was twice that of the Republican vote last year. It is a FACT that California is overwhelmingly anti-Trump and anti-Trump policies. It is almost statistically impossible for you to have found only supporters of "The Wall" on the West Coast unless you exclusively visited Republican sycophant events and even then it is doubtful you would have found overwhelming support for the Wall. California has a huge Hispanic influence and even amongst Californian Republicans, there is real anxiety about the wall. Geography is a bitch when you want to twist the truth. I call bullshit on your post and it would not have even taken much research before posting the bullshit that you may have been called out. The political demographics of the west coast are more than well known." I couldn't give a toss what you call bull shit to, you are never off this forum 24/7 so I do wonder when you have time to actually chat to people in usa or even if you actually do travel west of UK . The people I spoke to were obviously people in bars as well as waiters and people on the beach at pipe masters one other thing I did notice was the amount of signs in fields stating "Farmers for Trump", still plenty support, I did not see one sign of opposition. | |||
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"Building walls is clearly placating retards. How will they keep people out exactly? They don't exactly have a great track record of doing that. People managed to cross the Berlin wall, for example and that was heavily guarded - how will an unmanned wall in the desert stop anybody from doing anything much?" I'd of thought it would keep ppl out the same way prison walls keep ppl in of corse ppl Will get over it but it will slow the flow down. | |||
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"All legitimate Americans want a wall built between the US and Mexico. It will not inconvenience anyone who legally wishes to travel across the southern border. I for one don't need Mexico to pay for it, and as one of the few on this forum who pay US taxes, I don't think anyone who needs an airplane or boat to travel to the US should be passionate about it either way. The President is doing right by the American people, and I applaud the fact that despite being demonized for doing right for us, he doesn't buckle or waiver so that his ratings are good with Hollywood! Illegitimate, often criminally motivated non citizens continue to cross into and reside in the US with no respect for the law, or rules that Americans are safely governed by. Those of us who care about the future of our country would like this to end ASAP. ALL (like 100%) of my work and business from colleagues from Boca, Miami, New Jersey and Cleveland regard themselves as legitimate Americans and ALL think that “the wall” is a waste of time, money and effort designed only to appeal to knuckle dragging white people who are fighting their last breaths of white entitlement. The future is bridges and not walls and most sensible, forward thinking people can see through the knee jerk reactions otherwise known as Trump and Brexit. All the Americans I know are against it too Well Trump won the Presidency and the wall was probably the most well known policy during his election campaign. It's what Trump supporters voted for in their millions. I am just back from 4 weeks in USA, the Americans I spoke to on West Coast and the ones I spoke to on vacation in Hawaii all supported the wall Many were also upset and actually "pissed off" with the amount of countries voting against America moving Embassy to Jerusalem, they were fairly fucked off due to the amount of overseas aid they pay these countries and they hope Trump will stop these payments. Guess it depends what side of USA you are on and what state you are in" So, you managed to find the more reactionary people on your trip, and the ones with limited ability to see the consequences of their actions. You know, they do say that people do tend to gravitate towards those who share similar opinions to themselves, but I'm certain that wasn't the case here. | |||
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"Building walls is clearly placating retards. How will they keep people out exactly? They don't exactly have a great track record of doing that. People managed to cross the Berlin wall, for example and that was heavily guarded - how will an unmanned wall in the desert stop anybody from doing anything much? I'd of thought it would keep ppl out the same way prison walls keep ppl in of corse ppl Will get over it but it will slow the flow down. " Prisons tend to be heavily guarded.... | |||
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"Building walls is clearly placating retards. How will they keep people out exactly? They don't exactly have a great track record of doing that. People managed to cross the Berlin wall, for example and that was heavily guarded - how will an unmanned wall in the desert stop anybody from doing anything much? I'd of thought it would keep ppl out the same way prison walls keep ppl in of corse ppl Will get over it but it will slow the flow down. Prisons tend to be heavily guarded...." "heavily guarded" have you spoken to any prison guards recently | |||
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"Building walls is clearly placating retards. How will they keep people out exactly? They don't exactly have a great track record of doing that. People managed to cross the Berlin wall, for example and that was heavily guarded - how will an unmanned wall in the desert stop anybody from doing anything much? I'd of thought it would keep ppl out the same way prison walls keep ppl in of corse ppl Will get over it but it will slow the flow down. Prisons tend to be heavily guarded...." true but it will slow the flow | |||
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