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"Yawn. More Tory bashing." I suppose you believe Harry Potter is real then  | |||
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"Yawn. More Tory bashing." To be fair, they do give us plenty of ammunition. | |||
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"Yawn. More Tory bashing." No. I just don’t appreciate any supposedly well educated person trying to convince me how good their imaginary friend has been for this country. More so if that person holds a position of very high authority in society. | |||
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"Yawn. More Tory bashing. No. I just don’t appreciate any supposedly well educated person trying to convince me how good their imaginary friend has been for this country. More so if that person holds a position of very high authority in society." I agree | |||
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"Yawn. More Tory bashing." Really? The most divisive Tory (arguably) in history decided to wrap herself in Christmas and make that Tory too and your bored by others outrage... That says more about you than others... Have a very tory chrismas, you deserve it. | |||
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"So says Theresa May. Well actually I prefer to celebrate Yuletide because Yule is a truly meaningful celebration that is not dependant in the belief of imaginary friends and some guys from (what was then) Syria who we quite incredibly for that region apparently were named Jesus, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. ." Names mutate as the cross languages Arabic: Isa or Yassou Hebrew: Yeshua or Y'shua English: Jesus Arabic: Matta Hebrew: Matatyahu English: Matthew Arabic: Mirkous English: Mark Arabic: Looqa Hebrew: luqa English: Luke Arabic: Yahya/Jahja or Youhanna Hebrew :Yô?annan English: John | |||
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"Yawn. More Tory bashing." Do you still believe in Father Christmas | |||
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"Yawn. More Tory bashing." The OP is a Tory, or at least he was a lover of David Cameron's pro EU Tory party. Funny how the OP never took issue with David Cameron saying Britain is a Christian country though, lol. Although I'm not a particularly religious person I think Theresa May should be congratulated on her Christmas message. The last census showed Christianity is the majority religion in this country and seeing as Christmas is a Christian festival surely it's only right that the Prime Minister makes reference to Christianity. It's about time our political leaders and the political elite started to listen to and take notice of silent majorities rather than pandering to small but vocal minority groups which we've seen all too much of in recent years. | |||
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"Yawn. More Tory bashing. The OP is a Tory, or at least he was a lover of David Cameron's pro EU Tory party. Funny how the OP never took issue with David Cameron saying Britain is a Christian country though, lol. Although I'm not a particularly religious person I think Theresa May should be congratulated on her Christmas message. The last census showed Christianity is the majority religion in this country and seeing as Christmas is a Christian festival surely it's only right that the Prime Minister makes reference to Christianity. It's about time our political leaders and the political elite started to listen to and take notice of silent majorities rather than pandering to small but vocal minority groups which we've seen all too much of in recent years. " No marches today are they having a day off  | |||
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"I consider myself a Christian (although probably not always a particularly good one) and have no problem with Teresa given a Christian message at the time of one of the most important Christian festivals of the year. I also have no problem with people who want to have a happy Yuletide, Merrmas, Hanukkah or anything else at about the same time. Whatever you believe this is the season of peace and goodwill to all. To me all means all, including May, Corbyn, Christians, Muslims, Jews, Tories, socialists, liberals and even Centaur. Stop fighting for one day, put are differences aside and just have a happy day. " | |||
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"Yawn. More Tory bashing. No. I just don’t appreciate any supposedly well educated person trying to convince me how good their imaginary friend has been for this country. More so if that person holds a position of very high authority in society." wow what a barrell of laughs u guys sound must be great fun diwn yr local wtf | |||
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"Yippee us Pastafarians are rejoicing as Xmas is just one of our holy days. In fact here is our agenda for the rest of the year. Dec 25th 1st Day of Noodlemas Dec 26th Cardbard Box Appreciation Day Dec 27th 3rd Day of Noodlemas Dec 28th Only 4 Pasta-eating Days Left This Year Day Dec 29th Yad sdrawckab Dec 30th Get D*unk Early for Hogmanay Dec 31st Hogmanay Dec 32nd You’re D*unk!" Its about time that you Pastafarians join with us Baconologists for a joint eccumenical celebration. Praise the Lard. | |||
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"Christianity has played a formative hand in the creation of this country as we see it today. Nothing wrong with saying so." Grrr | |||
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"Christianity has played a formative hand in the creation of this country as we see it today. Nothing wrong with saying so." Objectively yes, that said as of the 17th century Britain alongside most of Western Europe began gutting and marginalising Christianity and its institutions. And this is a good thing. Even the act of Charity in the Christian faiths have a social contract. To say modern Britain - collectively, should take 'pride in our Christisn Heritage' ( you know Jew burning, religious persicution, entrenching gender and class division) is quite frankly as disgusting as submitting your free will to any faith. Mrs Spinner should keep her nab shut when her and several Tories have a conservative social structure bias. | |||
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"Christianity has played a formative hand in the creation of this country as we see it today. Nothing wrong with saying so. Objectively yes, that said as of the 17th century Britain alongside most of Western Europe began gutting and marginalising Christianity and its institutions. And this is a good thing. Even the act of Charity in the Christian faiths have a social contract. To say modern Britain - collectively, should take 'pride in our Christisn Heritage' ( you know Jew burning, religious persicution, entrenching gender and class division) is quite frankly as disgusting as submitting your free will to any faith. Mrs Spinner should keep her nab shut when her and several Tories have a conservative social structure bias." I'm a Christian, but I've never burnt a Jew. I'm an Englishman, but never owned a slave, a European, but have never been on a Crusade, a man, but have never r@ped or assaulted a woman. Any person from anywhere in the world can be blamed for something their ancestors did, but why do that when they played no part. For me, being a Christian makes me a better human. I see that as a good thing. Some people however find that religion makes them a worse human, that is bad, and is missing the point of religion, which is to make life better. | |||
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"Christianity has played a formative hand in the creation of this country as we see it today. Nothing wrong with saying so. Objectively yes, that said as of the 17th century Britain alongside most of Western Europe began gutting and marginalising Christianity and its institutions. And this is a good thing. Even the act of Charity in the Christian faiths have a social contract. To say modern Britain - collectively, should take 'pride in our Christisn Heritage' ( you know Jew burning, religious persicution, entrenching gender and class division) is quite frankly as disgusting as submitting your free will to any faith. Mrs Spinner should keep her nab shut when her and several Tories have a conservative social structure bias. I'm a Christian, but I've never burnt a Jew. I'm an Englishman, but never owned a slave, a European, but have never been on a Crusade, a man, but have never r@ped or assaulted a woman. Any person from anywhere in the world can be blamed for something their ancestors did, but why do that when they played no part. For me, being a Christian makes me a better human. I see that as a good thing. Some people however find that religion makes them a worse human, that is bad, and is missing the point of religion, which is to make life better. " The problem I have with those of any faith is that there's always a confirmation bias against or for something. As for those the list you gave, thats all fine and dandy but she is asking us to collectively take pride in a heritage which has, in my opion done more harm than good. Whether it be entrenching social class, burning a Jew in Clifford tower, burning a Catholic or a protestant, or going on a crusade | |||
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"Christianity has played a formative hand in the creation of this country as we see it today. Nothing wrong with saying so. Objectively yes, that said as of the 17th century Britain alongside most of Western Europe began gutting and marginalising Christianity and its institutions. And this is a good thing. Even the act of Charity in the Christian faiths have a social contract. To say modern Britain - collectively, should take 'pride in our Christisn Heritage' ( you know Jew burning, religious persicution, entrenching gender and class division) is quite frankly as disgusting as submitting your free will to any faith. Mrs Spinner should keep her nab shut when her and several Tories have a conservative social structure bias. I'm a Christian, but I've never burnt a Jew. I'm an Englishman, but never owned a slave, a European, but have never been on a Crusade, a man, but have never r@ped or assaulted a woman. Any person from anywhere in the world can be blamed for something their ancestors did, but why do that when they played no part. For me, being a Christian makes me a better human. I see that as a good thing. Some people however find that religion makes them a worse human, that is bad, and is missing the point of religion, which is to make life better. " Genuinely it isn't , religion has nothing to do with living life better it can't Believing in a myth has no intrinsic make life better attribute that that is all Christianity is beyond my philosophy yet your philosophy tells you can never on this earth be good enough , that is an intrinsic negative I do not have Beyond that a convoluted and illogical story about an ETERNAL creature dying is rather a poor reason to do the things in life towards fellow humans animals and the planet than a rather rudimentary understanding and empathy me our naturally induced plight x | |||
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"Christianity has played a formative hand in the creation of this country as we see it today. Nothing wrong with saying so. Objectively yes, that said as of the 17th century Britain alongside most of Western Europe began gutting and marginalising Christianity and its institutions. And this is a good thing. Even the act of Charity in the Christian faiths have a social contract. To say modern Britain - collectively, should take 'pride in our Christisn Heritage' ( you know Jew burning, religious persicution, entrenching gender and class division) is quite frankly as disgusting as submitting your free will to any faith. Mrs Spinner should keep her nab shut when her and several Tories have a conservative social structure bias. I'm a Christian, but I've never burnt a Jew. I'm an Englishman, but never owned a slave, a European, but have never been on a Crusade, a man, but have never r@ped or assaulted a woman. Any person from anywhere in the world can be blamed for something their ancestors did, but why do that when they played no part. For me, being a Christian makes me a better human. I see that as a good thing. Some people however find that religion makes them a worse human, that is bad, and is missing the point of religion, which is to make life better. " | |||
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"Christianity has played a formative hand in the creation of this country as we see it today. Nothing wrong with saying so. Objectively yes, that said as of the 17th century Britain alongside most of Western Europe began gutting and marginalising Christianity and its institutions. And this is a good thing. Even the act of Charity in the Christian faiths have a social contract. To say modern Britain - collectively, should take 'pride in our Christisn Heritage' ( you know Jew burning, religious persicution, entrenching gender and class division) is quite frankly as disgusting as submitting your free will to any faith. Mrs Spinner should keep her nab shut when her and several Tories have a conservative social structure bias. I'm a Christian, but I've never burnt a Jew. I'm an Englishman, but never owned a slave, a European, but have never been on a Crusade, a man, but have never r@ped or assaulted a woman. Any person from anywhere in the world can be blamed for something their ancestors did, but why do that when they played no part. For me, being a Christian makes me a better human. I see that as a good thing. Some people however find that religion makes them a worse human, that is bad, and is missing the point of religion, which is to make life better. "So objectively How does a Christian select which parts of the bible to ignore and which bits to follow ? Bearing in mind even the new testament gospels have contradictory accounts The new testament does not give any real help upon dismissing its precursor book yet quite rightly but to differing degrees Christians agree that the old t should mostly be ignored and that Christianity is JUST Believe humans are bad Believe there is a creature that designed them to be bad Believe this creature divided itself and persuaded bad humans to attempt to kill an immortal Believe that the creature knew this act would not prevent humans from killing themselves but knew it would divide and kill more Believe this creature promotes love and peace The concept is a nonsensical sham x | |||
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" Genuinely it isn't , religion has nothing to do with living life better it can't " Why can't it? I've told you that it helps make me a better human being, so there is no reason to think it doesn't also help others. In many places around the world there is no requirement to practice a religion, yet many people continue to do so. They would only do so if they thought there was some benefit to it. | |||
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"It is also somewhat hypocritical to be a Swinger and a Christian and so I’m surprised at the “support” being offered towards the Prime Ministers utterances which incidentally, when viewed on TV and spoken by her today - sounded hollow and looked insincere. She actually looked 10 years older than she did this time last year. " I haven't seen what the PM said, personally I don't find it hypocritical to be a swinging Christian, and I have swung with other Christians, Buddhists and Muslims. | |||
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"It is also somewhat hypocritical to be a Swinger and a Christian and so I’m surprised at the “support” being offered towards the Prime Ministers utterances which incidentally, when viewed on TV and spoken by her today - sounded hollow and looked insincere. She actually looked 10 years older than she did this time last year. I haven't seen what the PM said, personally I don't find it hypocritical to be a swinging Christian, and I have swung with other Christians, Buddhists and Muslims. " You must be very selectively religious and only choose to accept the part Christian beliefs that suit you. To be honest, you surprise me. I find it difficult to understand how seemingly intelligent people can believe in a thoroughly debunked fairy tale. | |||
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"It is also somewhat hypocritical to be a Swinger and a Christian and so I’m surprised at the “support” being offered towards the Prime Ministers utterances which incidentally, when viewed on TV and spoken by her today - sounded hollow and looked insincere. She actually looked 10 years older than she did this time last year. I haven't seen what the PM said, personally I don't find it hypocritical to be a swinging Christian, and I have swung with other Christians, Buddhists and Muslims. You must be very selectively religious and only choose to accept the part Christian beliefs that suit you. To be honest, you surprise me. I find it difficult to understand how seemingly intelligent people can believe in a thoroughly debunked fairy tale." Some would call me a pick-n-mix Christian, be in reality we all are. There is a interesting TED talk from a guy who tried to follow all the rules in the bible, but it is virtually impossible. | |||
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" Genuinely it isn't , religion has nothing to do with living life better it can't Why can't it? I've told you that it helps make me a better human being, so there is no reason to think it doesn't also help others. In many places around the world there is no requirement to practice a religion, yet many people continue to do so. They would only do so if they thought there was some benefit to it. " Yes but can you articulate why it makes you better as eloquently as you dismiss brexit ? You have already openly admitted the full doctrine is an impossible doctrine which then by default means your picking and mixing means your evolved and learned humanity has made you the better person and not the doctrine xxx | |||
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" Genuinely it isn't , religion has nothing to do with living life better it can't Why can't it? I've told you that it helps make me a better human being, so there is no reason to think it doesn't also help others. In many places around the world there is no requirement to practice a religion, yet many people continue to do so. They would only do so if they thought there was some benefit to it. Yes but can you articulate why it makes you better as eloquently as you dismiss brexit ? You have already openly admitted the full doctrine is an impossible doctrine which then by default means your picking and mixing means your evolved and learned humanity has made you the better person and not the doctrine xxx " It keeps me honest knowing that someone is always watching, from little things such as when I accidentally stole a bulb of garlic from the supermarket and had to go back and pay for it, to much larger things like swinging instead of cheating. It has helped me to chose my career, and how I have dedicated my life to helping others. | |||
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" Genuinely it isn't , religion has nothing to do with living life better it can't Why can't it? I've told you that it helps make me a better human being, so there is no reason to think it doesn't also help others. In many places around the world there is no requirement to practice a religion, yet many people continue to do so. They would only do so if they thought there was some benefit to it. Yes but can you articulate why it makes you better as eloquently as you dismiss brexit ? You have already openly admitted the full doctrine is an impossible doctrine which then by default means your picking and mixing means your evolved and learned humanity has made you the better person and not the doctrine xxx It keeps me honest knowing that someone is always watching, from little things such as when I accidentally stole a bulb of garlic from the supermarket and had to go back and pay for it, to much larger things like swinging instead of cheating. It has helped me to chose my career, and how I have dedicated my life to helping others. " So your faith is more about a set of moral guidelines because you feel as though you are not strong enough in your own self agency? More philosophy with imaginative black mail then. Because lets face it, one of the main principles of being a practicing member of sny abrahamic faith is that 'insert deity' made you to act in their will, or that they have your path in life mapped out - which is jmpossible as we have free will, thus breaking the whole 'all powerful' and being a 'servant of 'x'' point. | |||
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" Genuinely it isn't , religion has nothing to do with living life better it can't Why can't it? I've told you that it helps make me a better human being, so there is no reason to think it doesn't also help others. In many places around the world there is no requirement to practice a religion, yet many people continue to do so. They would only do so if they thought there was some benefit to it. Yes but can you articulate why it makes you better as eloquently as you dismiss brexit ? You have already openly admitted the full doctrine is an impossible doctrine which then by default means your picking and mixing means your evolved and learned humanity has made you the better person and not the doctrine xxx It keeps me honest knowing that someone is always watching, from little things such as when I accidentally stole a bulb of garlic from the supermarket and had to go back and pay for it, to much larger things like swinging instead of cheating. It has helped me to chose my career, and how I have dedicated my life to helping others. So your faith is more about a set of moral guidelines because you feel as though you are not strong enough in your own self agency? More philosophy with imaginative black mail then. Because lets face it, one of the main principles of being a practicing member of sny abrahamic faith is that 'insert deity' made you to act in their will, or that they have your path in life mapped out - which is jmpossible as we have free will, thus breaking the whole 'all powerful' and being a 'servant of 'x'' point." That's not how I feel at all. | |||
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" Genuinely it isn't , religion has nothing to do with living life better it can't Why can't it? I've told you that it helps make me a better human being, so there is no reason to think it doesn't also help others. In many places around the world there is no requirement to practice a religion, yet many people continue to do so. They would only do so if they thought there was some benefit to it. Yes but can you articulate why it makes you better as eloquently as you dismiss brexit ? You have already openly admitted the full doctrine is an impossible doctrine which then by default means your picking and mixing means your evolved and learned humanity has made you the better person and not the doctrine xxx It keeps me honest knowing that someone is always watching, from little things such as when I accidentally stole a bulb of garlic from the supermarket and had to go back and pay for it, to much larger things like swinging instead of cheating. It has helped me to chose my career, and how I have dedicated my life to helping others. So your faith is more about a set of moral guidelines because you feel as though you are not strong enough in your own self agency? More philosophy with imaginative black mail then. Because lets face it, one of the main principles of being a practicing member of sny abrahamic faith is that 'insert deity' made you to act in their will, or that they have your path in life mapped out - which is jmpossible as we have free will, thus breaking the whole 'all powerful' and being a 'servant of 'x'' point. That's not how I feel at all. " How do you know there is a God? | |||
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" Genuinely it isn't , religion has nothing to do with living life better it can't Why can't it? I've told you that it helps make me a better human being, so there is no reason to think it doesn't also help others. In many places around the world there is no requirement to practice a religion, yet many people continue to do so. They would only do so if they thought there was some benefit to it. Yes but can you articulate why it makes you better as eloquently as you dismiss brexit ? You have already openly admitted the full doctrine is an impossible doctrine which then by default means your picking and mixing means your evolved and learned humanity has made you the better person and not the doctrine xxx It keeps me honest knowing that someone is always watching, from little things such as when I accidentally stole a bulb of garlic from the supermarket and had to go back and pay for it, to much larger things like swinging instead of cheating. It has helped me to chose my career, and how I have dedicated my life to helping others. " Again I think you are being disingenuous , very much a centor brexit approach Christianity is NOT about helping people , that is a human trait available from many differing philosophies I don't steal because erm , does it really need explaining why ? But one of a number of reasons is because I know how much it hurts to be stolen from and my parents taught me well ? Cheating Swinging ?, again erm ? You are aware that in the same set of rules that told you not to steal it told you not to covet another's wife? How have you reasoned to not take a bulb of garlic yet swinging is ok , sounds like centor pick and mix Then again back to brexit , you suggest a creature is watching you yet there is zero data to collaborate and volumes that nudge the statistical possibility of a biblical god existing to nigh on zero I don't doubt that the placebo effect has a degree of positive upon you just like if a person is given a tic tac if they are convinced it will relieve pain it may appear to do so | |||
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" Genuinely it isn't , religion has nothing to do with living life better it can't Why can't it? I've told you that it helps make me a better human being, so there is no reason to think it doesn't also help others. In many places around the world there is no requirement to practice a religion, yet many people continue to do so. They would only do so if they thought there was some benefit to it. Yes but can you articulate why it makes you better as eloquently as you dismiss brexit ? You have already openly admitted the full doctrine is an impossible doctrine which then by default means your picking and mixing means your evolved and learned humanity has made you the better person and not the doctrine xxx It keeps me honest knowing that someone is always watching, from little things such as when I accidentally stole a bulb of garlic from the supermarket and had to go back and pay for it, to much larger things like swinging instead of cheating. It has helped me to chose my career, and how I have dedicated my life to helping others. So your faith is more about a set of moral guidelines because you feel as though you are not strong enough in your own self agency? More philosophy with imaginative black mail then. Because lets face it, one of the main principles of being a practicing member of sny abrahamic faith is that 'insert deity' made you to act in their will, or that they have your path in life mapped out - which is jmpossible as we have free will, thus breaking the whole 'all powerful' and being a 'servant of 'x'' point. That's not how I feel at all. How do you know there is a God?" The whole point about belief and faith is that you don't actually know. If you knew you wouldn't have to believe and know faith would be required. So no, I don't know there is a God, I simply have faith and choose to believe there is one. | |||
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" Genuinely it isn't , religion has nothing to do with living life better it can't Why can't it? I've told you that it helps make me a better human being, so there is no reason to think it doesn't also help others. In many places around the world there is no requirement to practice a religion, yet many people continue to do so. They would only do so if they thought there was some benefit to it. Yes but can you articulate why it makes you better as eloquently as you dismiss brexit ? You have already openly admitted the full doctrine is an impossible doctrine which then by default means your picking and mixing means your evolved and learned humanity has made you the better person and not the doctrine xxx It keeps me honest knowing that someone is always watching, from little things such as when I accidentally stole a bulb of garlic from the supermarket and had to go back and pay for it, to much larger things like swinging instead of cheating. It has helped me to chose my career, and how I have dedicated my life to helping others. So your faith is more about a set of moral guidelines because you feel as though you are not strong enough in your own self agency? More philosophy with imaginative black mail then. Because lets face it, one of the main principles of being a practicing member of sny abrahamic faith is that 'insert deity' made you to act in their will, or that they have your path in life mapped out - which is jmpossible as we have free will, thus breaking the whole 'all powerful' and being a 'servant of 'x'' point. That's not how I feel at all. How do you know there is a God?" I don't, I have faith. | |||
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" Genuinely it isn't , religion has nothing to do with living life better it can't Why can't it? I've told you that it helps make me a better human being, so there is no reason to think it doesn't also help others. In many places around the world there is no requirement to practice a religion, yet many people continue to do so. They would only do so if they thought there was some benefit to it. Yes but can you articulate why it makes you better as eloquently as you dismiss brexit ? You have already openly admitted the full doctrine is an impossible doctrine which then by default means your picking and mixing means your evolved and learned humanity has made you the better person and not the doctrine xxx It keeps me honest knowing that someone is always watching, from little things such as when I accidentally stole a bulb of garlic from the supermarket and had to go back and pay for it, to much larger things like swinging instead of cheating. It has helped me to chose my career, and how I have dedicated my life to helping others. Again I think you are being disingenuous , very much a centor brexit approach Christianity is NOT about helping people , that is a human trait available from many differing philosophies I don't steal because erm , does it really need explaining why ? But one of a number of reasons is because I know how much it hurts to be stolen from and my parents taught me well ? Cheating Swinging ?, again erm ? You are aware that in the same set of rules that told you not to steal it told you not to covet another's wife? How have you reasoned to not take a bulb of garlic yet swinging is ok , sounds like centor pick and mix Then again back to brexit , you suggest a creature is watching you yet there is zero data to collaborate and volumes that nudge the statistical possibility of a biblical god existing to nigh on zero I don't doubt that the placebo effect has a degree of positive upon you just like if a person is given a tic tac if they are convinced it will relieve pain it may appear to do so " I'm not being disingenuous, far from it. I am telling you genuinely how Christianity has made me life better. You may not believe in God/Christianity, thats fine, I'm not trying to convince you otherwise, however please don't try to say that I am lying about my personal motivations of how I live my life. | |||
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"All Christians are self righteous .More so at Christmas.They can't help it. "I would say those attacking others personal beliefs are the self righteous ones, wouldn't you? | |||
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"Wonder if the same ppl would say the same about Other religions ? Why is _lcc getting shit for being Christian he lives in a Christian country should you guys say the same to a Muslim in a Muslim country?" It always amazes me how people, who call themselves liberal minded, are so illiberal when it comes to religion. | |||
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"All Christians are self righteous .More so at Christmas.They can't help it.
I would say those attacking others personal beliefs are the self righteous ones, wouldn't you?"One recurring theme I've noticed over the many years I've been using fabs forums is that's it's usually those who 'claim' to be the most liberal who are the most rabid at attacking others personal beliefs. | |||
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"Wonder if the same ppl would say the same about Other religions ? Why is _lcc getting shit for being Christian he lives in a Christian country should you guys say the same to a Muslim in a Muslim country? It always amazes me how people, who call themselves liberal minded, are so illiberal when it comes to religion." . I bet you still laugh at Mormons yourself?  | |||
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"Wonder if the same ppl would say the same about Other religions ? Why is _lcc getting shit for being Christian he lives in a Christian country should you guys say the same to a Muslim in a Muslim country?" Moslambs are even more self righteous they've had to up their game as they came late to the monotheistic party. | |||
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"All Christians are self righteous .More so at Christmas.They can't help it.
I would say those attacking others personal beliefs are the self righteous ones, wouldn't you?"As you relentlessly attack all those who believe in Brexit? | |||
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"All Christians are self righteous .More so at Christmas.They can't help it.
I would say those attacking others personal beliefs are the self righteous ones, wouldn't you?
As you relentlessly attack all those who believe in Brexit?"Self righteousness is about being morally superior, do you think Brexit is a moral issue? | |||
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"All Christians are self righteous .More so at Christmas.They can't help it.
I would say those attacking others personal beliefs are the self righteous ones, wouldn't you?
As you relentlessly attack all those who believe in Brexit?
Self righteousness is about being morally superior, do you think Brexit is a moral issue? "Do you think you're morally superior? | |||
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"All Christians are self righteous .More so at Christmas.They can't help it.
I would say those attacking others personal beliefs are the self righteous ones, wouldn't you?
As you relentlessly attack all those who believe in Brexit?
Self righteousness is about being morally superior, do you think Brexit is a moral issue?
Do you think you're morally superior?"I don't really think of Brexit as a predominantly moral issue. | |||
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"This seems as good a thread to ask as any, but can anyone point me in the direction for a book etc on the evolutionary need for religion. As it seems so deep routed and widespread that it has such a root. " This is definitely quite a well known idea - vaarious parts of Richard Dawkin's books for example - although he is a bit too anti-religious for some people. Apparently a part of peoples brains also fires up when shown religious symbols though I don't know if it works cross-culturally so perhaps it is a learned response. | |||
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"The polish new pm is taking it one step further, his dream is to re-christianise europe, the gospel will conquer ". The EU is hitting them with article 7.... The last bastion of democratic hope is now Eastern Europe, who'd have thunked it | |||
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"This seems as good a thread to ask as any, but can anyone point me in the direction for a book etc on the evolutionary need for religion. As it seems so deep routed and widespread that it has such a root. This is definitely quite a well known idea - vaarious parts of Richard Dawkin's books for example - although he is a bit too anti-religious for some people. Apparently a part of peoples brains also fires up when shown religious symbols though I don't know if it works cross-culturally so perhaps it is a learned response." Dawkins would be my choice . From what I've read we hard wired for religion. | |||
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"Yawn. More Tory bashing." Everything the Tory cunts do deserves to be bashed. | |||
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"This seems as good a thread to ask as any, but can anyone point me in the direction for a book etc on the evolutionary need for religion. As it seems so deep routed and widespread that it has such a root. " . I think it stems from about 12,000 years ago when that comet almost wiped us all out!! | |||
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"This seems as good a thread to ask as any, but can anyone point me in the direction for a book etc on the evolutionary need for religion. As it seems so deep routed and widespread that it has such a root. This is definitely quite a well known idea - vaarious parts of Richard Dawkin's books for example - although he is a bit too anti-religious for some people. Apparently a part of peoples brains also fires up when shown religious symbols though I don't know if it works cross-culturally so perhaps it is a learned response. Dawkins would be my choice . From what I've read we hard wired for religion. "I’ve tried Dawkins. God delusion was an interesting read from an oratory perspective but weak in scientific reasoning iirc. To the extent it was a little self contradictory. I’ve not noticed him approach religio from an evolutionary rationale tho ... any specific books I’ve missed ? | |||
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"This seems as good a thread to ask as any, but can anyone point me in the direction for a book etc on the evolutionary need for religion. As it seems so deep routed and widespread that it has such a root. This is definitely quite a well known idea - vaarious parts of Richard Dawkin's books for example - although he is a bit too anti-religious for some people. Apparently a part of peoples brains also fires up when shown religious symbols though I don't know if it works cross-culturally so perhaps it is a learned response. Dawkins would be my choice . From what I've read we hard wired for religion.
I’ve tried Dawkins. God delusion was an interesting read from an oratory perspective but weak in scientific reasoning iirc. To the extent it was a little self contradictory. I’ve not noticed him approach religio from an evolutionary rationale tho ... any specific books I’ve missed ?"The Magic of Reality and The Selfish Gene have a little more specific Evolotionary Biology mentioned in them. Depends on your science education levels though for whats layman or not. | |||
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"The polish new pm is taking it one step further, his dream is to re-christianise europe, the gospel will conquer .
The EU is hitting them with article 7.... The last bastion of democratic hope is now Eastern Europe, who'd have thunked it "
Who'd have thunked it that anyone would argue that closing down independent news papers, removing the independence of the judiciary and putting judges under the control of the executive/government (which is what is actually happening right now in Poland) somehow makes Poland or Easton Europe the last bastion of democratic hope. Strange times we live in. | |||
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"I wonder if all those supporting Theresa May’s message also support the Christmas messages of the Pope and the Archbishop of Canterbury?" They are snowflake liberals though. They're all about being nice to each other regardless of religion and they're even throwing in something about dictators being a bad thing. Even the archbishop of Jerusalem seems to think some things are quite complicated. That's not proper Christianity. All nonsense. "We" are always right and "they" are always wrong. Obvious if you only think about it  | |||
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"I wonder if all those supporting Theresa May’s message also support the Christmas messages of the Pope and the Archbishop of Canterbury? They are snowflake liberals though. They're all about being nice to each other regardless of religion and they're even throwing in something about dictators being a bad thing. Even the archbishop of Jerusalem seems to think some things are quite complicated. That's not proper Christianity. All nonsense. "We" are always right and "they" are always wrong. Obvious if you only think about it "The Pope and the Archbishop of Canterbury aren't proper Christians?  | |||
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" Genuinely it isn't , religion has nothing to do with living life better it can't Why can't it? I've told you that it helps make me a better human being, so there is no reason to think it doesn't also help others. In many places around the world there is no requirement to practice a religion, yet many people continue to do so. They would only do so if they thought there was some benefit to it. Yes but can you articulate why it makes you better as eloquently as you dismiss brexit ? You have already openly admitted the full doctrine is an impossible doctrine which then by default means your picking and mixing means your evolved and learned humanity has made you the better person and not the doctrine xxx It keeps me honest knowing that someone is always watching, from little things such as when I accidentally stole a bulb of garlic from the supermarket and had to go back and pay for it, to much larger things like swinging instead of cheating. It has helped me to chose my career, and how I have dedicated my life to helping others. " Where does the bible encourage swinging? Does it say anywhere that having sex with someone else is ok as long as you have your partner's permission? That that is not adultery? | |||
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"I wonder if all those supporting Theresa May’s message also support the Christmas messages of the Pope and the Archbishop of Canterbury? They are snowflake liberals though. They're all about being nice to each other regardless of religion and they're even throwing in something about dictators being a bad thing. Even the archbishop of Jerusalem seems to think some things are quite complicated. That's not proper Christianity. All nonsense. "We" are always right and "they" are always wrong. Obvious if you only think about it
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"The polish new pm is taking it one step further, his dream is to re-christianise europe, the gospel will conquer .
The EU is hitting them with article 7.... The last bastion of democratic hope is now Eastern Europe, who'd have thunked it
Who'd have thunked it that anyone would argue that closing down independent news papers, removing the independence of the judiciary and putting judges under the control of the executive/government (which is what is actually happening right now in Poland) somehow makes Poland or Easton Europe the last bastion of democratic hope. Strange times we live in.". Yet we hear the call of closing down the daily mail on here constantly | |||
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"The polish new pm is taking it one step further, his dream is to re-christianise europe, the gospel will conquer .
The EU is hitting them with article 7.... The last bastion of democratic hope is now Eastern Europe, who'd have thunked it
Who'd have thunked it that anyone would argue that closing down independent news papers, removing the independence of the judiciary and putting judges under the control of the executive/government (which is what is actually happening right now in Poland) somehow makes Poland or Easton Europe the last bastion of democratic hope. Strange times we live in..
Yet we hear the call of closing down the daily mail on here constantly "Not from me you don't. | |||
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"The polish new pm is taking it one step further, his dream is to re-christianise europe, the gospel will conquer .
The EU is hitting them with article 7.... The last bastion of democratic hope is now Eastern Europe, who'd have thunked it
Who'd have thunked it that anyone would argue that closing down independent news papers, removing the independence of the judiciary and putting judges under the control of the executive/government (which is what is actually happening right now in Poland) somehow makes Poland or Easton Europe the last bastion of democratic hope. Strange times we live in..
Yet we hear the call of closing down the daily mail on here constantly "Nope. My vote is to prosecute. | |||
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"The polish new pm is taking it one step further, his dream is to re-christianise europe, the gospel will conquer .
The EU is hitting them with article 7.... The last bastion of democratic hope is now Eastern Europe, who'd have thunked it
Who'd have thunked it that anyone would argue that closing down independent news papers, removing the independence of the judiciary and putting judges under the control of the executive/government (which is what is actually happening right now in Poland) somehow makes Poland or Easton Europe the last bastion of democratic hope. Strange times we live in..
Yet we hear the call of closing down the daily mail on here constantly "I think that you will find the call is for more responsibility. If that includes sanctions and/or prosecution as a result of irresponsibility - so be it. | |||
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"The polish new pm is taking it one step further, his dream is to re-christianise europe, the gospel will conquer .
The EU is hitting them with article 7.... The last bastion of democratic hope is now Eastern Europe, who'd have thunked it
Who'd have thunked it that anyone would argue that closing down independent news papers, removing the independence of the judiciary and putting judges under the control of the executive/government (which is what is actually happening right now in Poland) somehow makes Poland or Easton Europe the last bastion of democratic hope. Strange times we live in..
Yet we hear the call of closing down the daily mail on here constantly "Dam right motherfucker any paper that wants my mixed race kids sent to Bongo bongo land or murdered needs to be burned in the streets.Hopfully with editor on top.. I'll help I like fire  | |||
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"I wonder if all those supporting Theresa May’s message also support the Christmas messages of the Pope and the Archbishop of Canterbury? They are snowflake liberals though. They're all about being nice to each other regardless of religion and they're even throwing in something about dictators being a bad thing. Even the archbishop of Jerusalem seems to think some things are quite complicated. That's not proper Christianity. All nonsense. "We" are always right and "they" are always wrong. Obvious if you only think about it
The Pope and the Archbishop of Canterbury aren't proper Christians? "I'm not sure that I could have been any more generous with the irony and sarcasm in that post. Admittedly on this forum that can be difficult to assess | |||
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" Genuinely it isn't , religion has nothing to do with living life better it can't Why can't it? I've told you that it helps make me a better human being, so there is no reason to think it doesn't also help others. In many places around the world there is no requirement to practice a religion, yet many people continue to do so. They would only do so if they thought there was some benefit to it. Yes but can you articulate why it makes you better as eloquently as you dismiss brexit ? You have already openly admitted the full doctrine is an impossible doctrine which then by default means your picking and mixing means your evolved and learned humanity has made you the better person and not the doctrine xxx It keeps me honest knowing that someone is always watching, from little things such as when I accidentally stole a bulb of garlic from the supermarket and had to go back and pay for it, to much larger things like swinging instead of cheating. It has helped me to chose my career, and how I have dedicated my life to helping others. Where does the bible encourage swinging? Does it say anywhere that having sex with someone else is ok as long as you have your partner's permission? That that is not adultery?" What is your intention with this post? Are you trying to make me lose my faith? If so, why? | |||
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"The polish new pm is taking it one step further, his dream is to re-christianise europe, the gospel will conquer .
The EU is hitting them with article 7.... The last bastion of democratic hope is now Eastern Europe, who'd have thunked it "Well either you're a theocratic collectivist, really, really anti-EU, or, you're really misunderstanding how authoritarian Poland is going. | |||
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"Yawn. More Tory bashing. The OP is a Tory, or at least he was a lover of David Cameron's pro EU Tory party. Funny how the OP never took issue with David Cameron saying Britain is a Christian country though, lol. Although I'm not a particularly religious person I think Theresa May should be congratulated on her Christmas message. The last census showed Christianity is the majority religion in this country and seeing as Christmas is a Christian festival surely it's only right that the Prime Minister makes reference to Christianity. It's about time our political leaders and the political elite started to listen to and take notice of silent majorities rather than pandering to small but vocal minority groups which we've seen all too much of in recent years. " Are you a Christian? Were you at midnight mass? How many people were? Is Christmas more important a Christian festival than Easter? Did you attend church then? How many people did? Of those who attend church regularly how many are immigrants? Have you given up any of your time or money to help anybody less fortunate than yourself recently? Should government be standing up for minorities too? | |||
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"Wonder if the same ppl would say the same about Other religions ? Why is _lcc getting shit for being Christian he lives in a Christian country should you guys say the same to a Muslim in a Muslim country? It always amazes me how people, who call themselves liberal minded, are so illiberal when it comes to religion." It reminds me of some of the lyrics from the Henry Rollins / William Shatner collaboration 'Can't get behind that': BILL: I can't get behind the Gods, who are more vengeful, angry, and dangerous if you don't believe in them! ROLLINS: Why can't all these Gods just get along? I mean, they're omnipotent and omnipresent, what's the problem? BILL: What's the problem? BILL: What about the men who say 'Do as I do. Believe in what I say, for your own good, or I'll kill you!' I can't get behind that! -Matt | |||
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"It's about time our political leaders and the political elite started to listen to and take notice of silent majorities rather than pandering to small but vocal minority groups which we've seen all too much of in recent years. " Centaur, I actually totally agree with you on this point. If the government didn't pander to the small but vocal minority of UKIP then we wouldn't be in this Brexit mess. As shown by the referendum though, sometimes it is not enough to be a silent majority. A silent majority didn't give a rats arse whether we left the EU or not and didn't vote. So, question is, how do you accurately gauge the desires of the 'silent majority'? The silent majority have no problem with immigrants in this country for example. The silent majority have no problem with faiths besides Christian, yet we have a vocal majority demonising them. -Matt | |||
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" Genuinely it isn't , religion has nothing to do with living life better it can't Why can't it? I've told you that it helps make me a better human being, so there is no reason to think it doesn't also help others. In many places around the world there is no requirement to practice a religion, yet many people continue to do so. They would only do so if they thought there was some benefit to it. Yes but can you articulate why it makes you better as eloquently as you dismiss brexit ? You have already openly admitted the full doctrine is an impossible doctrine which then by default means your picking and mixing means your evolved and learned humanity has made you the better person and not the doctrine xxx It keeps me honest knowing that someone is always watching, from little things such as when I accidentally stole a bulb of garlic from the supermarket and had to go back and pay for it, to much larger things like swinging instead of cheating. It has helped me to chose my career, and how I have dedicated my life to helping others. Where does the bible encourage swinging? Does it say anywhere that having sex with someone else is ok as long as you have your partner's permission? That that is not adultery? What is your intention with this post? Are you trying to make me lose my faith? If so, why? " I am in no way trying to make you lose your faith. Just interested in what the bible says that regards swinging as not cheating. You've said that knowing that someone is always watching keeps you honest, and allows swinging instead of cheating. Where does it say in the bible that having sex with someone other than your wife / husband / partner is not cheating or adultery? | |||
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"Yawn. More Tory bashing. The OP is a Tory, or at least he was a lover of David Cameron's pro EU Tory party. Funny how the OP never took issue with David Cameron saying Britain is a Christian country though, lol. Although I'm not a particularly religious person I think Theresa May should be congratulated on her Christmas message. The last census showed Christianity is the majority religion in this country and seeing as Christmas is a Christian festival surely it's only right that the Prime Minister makes reference to Christianity. It's about time our political leaders and the political elite started to listen to and take notice of silent majorities rather than pandering to small but vocal minority groups which we've seen all too much of in recent years. " I can't answer for anyone else but I can answer for myself. Are you a Christian? Yes Were you at midnight mass? No, but I went to the Christmas Eve service which fulfilled my Christmas obligations. How many people were? About 250 but I didn't actually count them. Is Christmas more important a Christian festival than Easter? No Did you attend church then? Not last Easter but normally I do. How many people did? The last time I went at Easter the church was full. Of those who attend church regularly how many are immigrants? At the church I attended most regularly only 1 person that I know of is definitely an immigrant but there maybe others. Have you given up any of your time or money to help anybody less fortunate than yourself recently? Not this year but I have done in past. Should government be standing up for minorities too? Absolutely it should be. | |||
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"Wonder if the same ppl would say the same about Other religions ? Why is _lcc getting shit for being Christian he lives in a Christian country should you guys say the same to a Muslim in a Muslim country? It always amazes me how people, who call themselves liberal minded, are so illiberal when it comes to religion. It reminds me of some of the lyrics from the Henry Rollins / William Shatner collaboration 'Can't get behind that': BILL: I can't get behind the Gods, who are more vengeful, angry, and dangerous if you don't believe in them! ROLLINS: Why can't all these Gods just get along? I mean, they're omnipotent and omnipresent, what's the problem? BILL: What's the problem? BILL: What about the men who say 'Do as I do. Believe in what I say, for your own good, or I'll kill you!' I can't get behind that! -Matt" That's not the message I receive. | |||
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" Genuinely it isn't , religion has nothing to do with living life better it can't Why can't it? I've told you that it helps make me a better human being, so there is no reason to think it doesn't also help others. In many places around the world there is no requirement to practice a religion, yet many people continue to do so. They would only do so if they thought there was some benefit to it. Yes but can you articulate why it makes you better as eloquently as you dismiss brexit ? You have already openly admitted the full doctrine is an impossible doctrine which then by default means your picking and mixing means your evolved and learned humanity has made you the better person and not the doctrine xxx It keeps me honest knowing that someone is always watching, from little things such as when I accidentally stole a bulb of garlic from the supermarket and had to go back and pay for it, to much larger things like swinging instead of cheating. It has helped me to chose my career, and how I have dedicated my life to helping others. Where does the bible encourage swinging? Does it say anywhere that having sex with someone else is ok as long as you have your partner's permission? That that is not adultery? What is your intention with this post? Are you trying to make me lose my faith? If so, why? I am in no way trying to make you lose your faith. Just interested in what the bible says that regards swinging as not cheating. You've said that knowing that someone is always watching keeps you honest, and allows swinging instead of cheating. Where does it say in the bible that having sex with someone other than your wife / husband / partner is not cheating or adultery? " Where does it say in the New Testament that any of my actions or beliefs will lead to my salvation other than the belief that I can be saved through Christ and the grace of God? I get that you don't believe that and I often have doubts myself but that's what the good book actually says. | |||
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"The polish new pm is taking it one step further, his dream is to re-christianise europe, the gospel will conquer .
The EU is hitting them with article 7.... The last bastion of democratic hope is now Eastern Europe, who'd have thunked it
Who'd have thunked it that anyone would argue that closing down independent news papers, removing the independence of the judiciary and putting judges under the control of the executive/government (which is what is actually happening right now in Poland) somehow makes Poland or Easton Europe the last bastion of democratic hope. Strange times we live in..
Yet we hear the call of closing down the daily mail on here constantly Dam right motherfucker any paper that wants my mixed race kids sent to Bongo bongo land or murdered needs to be burned in the streets.Hopfully with editor on top.. I'll help I like fire " | |||
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" Genuinely it isn't , religion has nothing to do with living life better it can't Why can't it? I've told you that it helps make me a better human being, so there is no reason to think it doesn't also help others. In many places around the world there is no requirement to practice a religion, yet many people continue to do so. They would only do so if they thought there was some benefit to it. Yes but can you articulate why it makes you better as eloquently as you dismiss brexit ? You have already openly admitted the full doctrine is an impossible doctrine which then by default means your picking and mixing means your evolved and learned humanity has made you the better person and not the doctrine xxx It keeps me honest knowing that someone is always watching, from little things such as when I accidentally stole a bulb of garlic from the supermarket and had to go back and pay for it, to much larger things like swinging instead of cheating. It has helped me to chose my career, and how I have dedicated my life to helping others. Where does the bible encourage swinging? Does it say anywhere that having sex with someone else is ok as long as you have your partner's permission? That that is not adultery? What is your intention with this post? Are you trying to make me lose my faith? If so, why? I am in no way trying to make you lose your faith. Just interested in what the bible says that regards swinging as not cheating. You've said that knowing that someone is always watching keeps you honest, and allows swinging instead of cheating. Where does it say in the bible that having sex with someone other than your wife / husband / partner is not cheating or adultery? Where does it say in the New Testament that any of my actions or beliefs will lead to my salvation other than the belief that I can be saved through Christ and the grace of God? I get that you don't believe that and I often have doubts myself but that's what the good book actually says." So you can do anything you want as long as you repent for your sins? | |||
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" Genuinely it isn't , religion has nothing to do with living life better it can't Why can't it? I've told you that it helps make me a better human being, so there is no reason to think it doesn't also help others. In many places around the world there is no requirement to practice a religion, yet many people continue to do so. They would only do so if they thought there was some benefit to it. Yes but can you articulate why it makes you better as eloquently as you dismiss brexit ? You have already openly admitted the full doctrine is an impossible doctrine which then by default means your picking and mixing means your evolved and learned humanity has made you the better person and not the doctrine xxx It keeps me honest knowing that someone is always watching, from little things such as when I accidentally stole a bulb of garlic from the supermarket and had to go back and pay for it, to much larger things like swinging instead of cheating. It has helped me to chose my career, and how I have dedicated my life to helping others. Where does the bible encourage swinging? Does it say anywhere that having sex with someone else is ok as long as you have your partner's permission? That that is not adultery? What is your intention with this post? Are you trying to make me lose my faith? If so, why? I am in no way trying to make you lose your faith. Just interested in what the bible says that regards swinging as not cheating. You've said that knowing that someone is always watching keeps you honest, and allows swinging instead of cheating. Where does it say in the bible that having sex with someone other than your wife / husband / partner is not cheating or adultery? Where does it say in the New Testament that any of my actions or beliefs will lead to my salvation other than the belief that I can be saved through Christ and the grace of God? I get that you don't believe that and I often have doubts myself but that's what the good book actually says. So you can do anything you want as long as you repent for your sins?" . Well he ain't gonna turn the other cheek and give all his money away is he!! | |||
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" Genuinely it isn't , religion has nothing to do with living life better it can't Why can't it? I've told you that it helps make me a better human being, so there is no reason to think it doesn't also help others. In many places around the world there is no requirement to practice a religion, yet many people continue to do so. They would only do so if they thought there was some benefit to it. Yes but can you articulate why it makes you better as eloquently as you dismiss brexit ? You have already openly admitted the full doctrine is an impossible doctrine which then by default means your picking and mixing means your evolved and learned humanity has made you the better person and not the doctrine xxx It keeps me honest knowing that someone is always watching, from little things such as when I accidentally stole a bulb of garlic from the supermarket and had to go back and pay for it, to much larger things like swinging instead of cheating. It has helped me to chose my career, and how I have dedicated my life to helping others. Where does the bible encourage swinging? Does it say anywhere that having sex with someone else is ok as long as you have your partner's permission? That that is not adultery? What is your intention with this post? Are you trying to make me lose my faith? If so, why? I am in no way trying to make you lose your faith. Just interested in what the bible says that regards swinging as not cheating. You've said that knowing that someone is always watching keeps you honest, and allows swinging instead of cheating. Where does it say in the bible that having sex with someone other than your wife / husband / partner is not cheating or adultery? Where does it say in the New Testament that any of my actions or beliefs will lead to my salvation other than the belief that I can be saved through Christ and the grace of God? I get that you don't believe that and I often have doubts myself but that's what the good book actually says. So you can do anything you want as long as you repent for your sins?" Almost unbelievable as it sounds, that is the teaching. But that shouldn't be read as it being OK to do anything you want. | |||
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" Genuinely it isn't , religion has nothing to do with living life better it can't Why can't it? I've told you that it helps make me a better human being, so there is no reason to think it doesn't also help others. In many places around the world there is no requirement to practice a religion, yet many people continue to do so. They would only do so if they thought there was some benefit to it. Yes but can you articulate why it makes you better as eloquently as you dismiss brexit ? You have already openly admitted the full doctrine is an impossible doctrine which then by default means your picking and mixing means your evolved and learned humanity has made you the better person and not the doctrine xxx It keeps me honest knowing that someone is always watching, from little things such as when I accidentally stole a bulb of garlic from the supermarket and had to go back and pay for it, to much larger things like swinging instead of cheating. It has helped me to chose my career, and how I have dedicated my life to helping others. Where does the bible encourage swinging? Does it say anywhere that having sex with someone else is ok as long as you have your partner's permission? That that is not adultery? What is your intention with this post? Are you trying to make me lose my faith? If so, why? I am in no way trying to make you lose your faith. Just interested in what the bible says that regards swinging as not cheating. You've said that knowing that someone is always watching keeps you honest, and allows swinging instead of cheating. Where does it say in the bible that having sex with someone other than your wife / husband / partner is not cheating or adultery? Where does it say in the New Testament that any of my actions or beliefs will lead to my salvation other than the belief that I can be saved through Christ and the grace of God? I get that you don't believe that and I often have doubts myself but that's what the good book actually says. So you can do anything you want as long as you repent for your sins?. Well he ain't gonna turn the other cheek and give all his money away is he!! "You're mostly right on that point to. | |||
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"Yawn. More Tory bashing. The OP is a Tory, or at least he was a lover of David Cameron's pro EU Tory party. Funny how the OP never took issue with David Cameron saying Britain is a Christian country though, lol. Although I'm not a particularly religious person I think Theresa May should be congratulated on her Christmas message. The last census showed Christianity is the majority religion in this country and seeing as Christmas is a Christian festival surely it's only right that the Prime Minister makes reference to Christianity. It's about time our political leaders and the political elite started to listen to and take notice of silent majorities rather than pandering to small but vocal minority groups which we've seen all too much of in recent years. I can't answer for anyone else but I can answer for myself. Are you a Christian? Yes Were you at midnight mass? No, but I went to the Christmas Eve service which fulfilled my Christmas obligations. How many people were? About 250 but I didn't actually count them. Is Christmas more important a Christian festival than Easter? No Did you attend church then? Not last Easter but normally I do. How many people did? The last time I went at Easter the church was full. Of those who attend church regularly how many are immigrants? At the church I attended most regularly only 1 person that I know of is definitely an immigrant but there maybe others. Have you given up any of your time or money to help anybody less fortunate than yourself recently? Not this year but I have done in past. Should government be standing up for minorities too? Absolutely it should be. " I wasn't questioning your particular faith. I am also not questioning that many of the tenants of Christianity are positive. I certainly support the messages of the Archbishop of Canterbury and the Pope. I don't deny the right of any individual or politician to deliver a similarly positive message. However, these messages contradict those of Centaur and many similar small c conservatives who claims to be Christian, to whom I was responding. The majority of the population of the, UK is not actually Christian anymore it seems although the proportion that is growing is Catholic from eastern Europe and Pentecostal, from Africa. Both these groups have a far more conservative interpretation of the creed than widely found in the UK. Complicated. | |||
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" Genuinely it isn't , religion has nothing to do with living life better it can't Why can't it? I've told you that it helps make me a better human being, so there is no reason to think it doesn't also help others. In many places around the world there is no requirement to practice a religion, yet many people continue to do so. They would only do so if they thought there was some benefit to it. Yes but can you articulate why it makes you better as eloquently as you dismiss brexit ? You have already openly admitted the full doctrine is an impossible doctrine which then by default means your picking and mixing means your evolved and learned humanity has made you the better person and not the doctrine xxx It keeps me honest knowing that someone is always watching, from little things such as when I accidentally stole a bulb of garlic from the supermarket and had to go back and pay for it, to much larger things like swinging instead of cheating. It has helped me to chose my career, and how I have dedicated my life to helping others. Where does the bible encourage swinging? Does it say anywhere that having sex with someone else is ok as long as you have your partner's permission? That that is not adultery? What is your intention with this post? Are you trying to make me lose my faith? If so, why? I am in no way trying to make you lose your faith. Just interested in what the bible says that regards swinging as not cheating. You've said that knowing that someone is always watching keeps you honest, and allows swinging instead of cheating. Where does it say in the bible that having sex with someone other than your wife / husband / partner is not cheating or adultery? " It doesnt mention swinging in the bible as you well know. It doesn't mention cars or laptops or planes or the internet etc. either. I never said that the bible says swinging is ok. | |||
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" Genuinely it isn't , religion has nothing to do with living life better it can't Why can't it? I've told you that it helps make me a better human being, so there is no reason to think it doesn't also help others. In many places around the world there is no requirement to practice a religion, yet many people continue to do so. They would only do so if they thought there was some benefit to it. Yes but can you articulate why it makes you better as eloquently as you dismiss brexit ? You have already openly admitted the full doctrine is an impossible doctrine which then by default means your picking and mixing means your evolved and learned humanity has made you the better person and not the doctrine xxx It keeps me honest knowing that someone is always watching, from little things such as when I accidentally stole a bulb of garlic from the supermarket and had to go back and pay for it, to much larger things like swinging instead of cheating. It has helped me to chose my career, and how I have dedicated my life to helping others. Where does the bible encourage swinging? Does it say anywhere that having sex with someone else is ok as long as you have your partner's permission? That that is not adultery? What is your intention with this post? Are you trying to make me lose my faith? If so, why? I am in no way trying to make you lose your faith. Just interested in what the bible says that regards swinging as not cheating. You've said that knowing that someone is always watching keeps you honest, and allows swinging instead of cheating. Where does it say in the bible that having sex with someone other than your wife / husband / partner is not cheating or adultery? It doesnt mention swinging in the bible as you well know. It doesn't mention cars or laptops or planes or the internet etc. either. I never said that the bible says swinging is ok." So Where does it say in the bible that having sex with someone other than your wife / husband / partner is not cheating or adultery? In fact, doesn't it say the opposite? | |||
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" Genuinely it isn't , religion has nothing to do with living life better it can't Why can't it? I've told you that it helps make me a better human being, so there is no reason to think it doesn't also help others. In many places around the world there is no requirement to practice a religion, yet many people continue to do so. They would only do so if they thought there was some benefit to it. Yes but can you articulate why it makes you better as eloquently as you dismiss brexit ? You have already openly admitted the full doctrine is an impossible doctrine which then by default means your picking and mixing means your evolved and learned humanity has made you the better person and not the doctrine xxx It keeps me honest knowing that someone is always watching, from little things such as when I accidentally stole a bulb of garlic from the supermarket and had to go back and pay for it, to much larger things like swinging instead of cheating. It has helped me to chose my career, and how I have dedicated my life to helping others. Where does the bible encourage swinging? Does it say anywhere that having sex with someone else is ok as long as you have your partner's permission? That that is not adultery? What is your intention with this post? Are you trying to make me lose my faith? If so, why? I am in no way trying to make you lose your faith. Just interested in what the bible says that regards swinging as not cheating. You've said that knowing that someone is always watching keeps you honest, and allows swinging instead of cheating. Where does it say in the bible that having sex with someone other than your wife / husband / partner is not cheating or adultery? It doesnt mention swinging in the bible as you well know. It doesn't mention cars or laptops or planes or the internet etc. either. I never said that the bible says swinging is ok. So Where does it say in the bible that having sex with someone other than your wife / husband / partner is not cheating or adultery? In fact, doesn't it say the opposite? " Why do you care? | |||
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" Genuinely it isn't , religion has nothing to do with living life better it can't Why can't it? I've told you that it helps make me a better human being, so there is no reason to think it doesn't also help others. In many places around the world there is no requirement to practice a religion, yet many people continue to do so. They would only do so if they thought there was some benefit to it. Yes but can you articulate why it makes you better as eloquently as you dismiss brexit ? You have already openly admitted the full doctrine is an impossible doctrine which then by default means your picking and mixing means your evolved and learned humanity has made you the better person and not the doctrine xxx It keeps me honest knowing that someone is always watching, from little things such as when I accidentally stole a bulb of garlic from the supermarket and had to go back and pay for it, to much larger things like swinging instead of cheating. It has helped me to chose my career, and how I have dedicated my life to helping others. Where does the bible encourage swinging? Does it say anywhere that having sex with someone else is ok as long as you have your partner's permission? That that is not adultery? What is your intention with this post? Are you trying to make me lose my faith? If so, why? I am in no way trying to make you lose your faith. Just interested in what the bible says that regards swinging as not cheating. You've said that knowing that someone is always watching keeps you honest, and allows swinging instead of cheating. Where does it say in the bible that having sex with someone other than your wife / husband / partner is not cheating or adultery? It doesnt mention swinging in the bible as you well know. It doesn't mention cars or laptops or planes or the internet etc. either. I never said that the bible says swinging is ok. So Where does it say in the bible that having sex with someone other than your wife / husband / partner is not cheating or adultery? In fact, doesn't it say the opposite? Why do you care? " Maybe he wants a ring side seat to watch the bad Christians burn in eternal hellfire. I'm sure it's a popular event in heaven. | |||
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" Genuinely it isn't , religion has nothing to do with living life better it can't Why can't it? I've told you that it helps make me a better human being, so there is no reason to think it doesn't also help others. In many places around the world there is no requirement to practice a religion, yet many people continue to do so. They would only do so if they thought there was some benefit to it. Yes but can you articulate why it makes you better as eloquently as you dismiss brexit ? You have already openly admitted the full doctrine is an impossible doctrine which then by default means your picking and mixing means your evolved and learned humanity has made you the better person and not the doctrine xxx It keeps me honest knowing that someone is always watching, from little things such as when I accidentally stole a bulb of garlic from the supermarket and had to go back and pay for it, to much larger things like swinging instead of cheating. It has helped me to chose my career, and how I have dedicated my life to helping others. Where does the bible encourage swinging? Does it say anywhere that having sex with someone else is ok as long as you have your partner's permission? That that is not adultery? What is your intention with this post? Are you trying to make me lose my faith? If so, why? I am in no way trying to make you lose your faith. Just interested in what the bible says that regards swinging as not cheating. You've said that knowing that someone is always watching keeps you honest, and allows swinging instead of cheating. Where does it say in the bible that having sex with someone other than your wife / husband / partner is not cheating or adultery? It doesnt mention swinging in the bible as you well know. It doesn't mention cars or laptops or planes or the internet etc. either. I never said that the bible says swinging is ok. So Where does it say in the bible that having sex with someone other than your wife / husband / partner is not cheating or adultery? In fact, doesn't it say the opposite? Why do you care? " I don't care, but I am interested as to whether you live your life how the bible says you should, or if you choose the parts of the bible to suit how you live your life. I guess it's the latter. | |||
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" Genuinely it isn't , religion has nothing to do with living life better it can't Why can't it? I've told you that it helps make me a better human being, so there is no reason to think it doesn't also help others. In many places around the world there is no requirement to practice a religion, yet many people continue to do so. They would only do so if they thought there was some benefit to it. Yes but can you articulate why it makes you better as eloquently as you dismiss brexit ? You have already openly admitted the full doctrine is an impossible doctrine which then by default means your picking and mixing means your evolved and learned humanity has made you the better person and not the doctrine xxx It keeps me honest knowing that someone is always watching, from little things such as when I accidentally stole a bulb of garlic from the supermarket and had to go back and pay for it, to much larger things like swinging instead of cheating. It has helped me to chose my career, and how I have dedicated my life to helping others. Where does the bible encourage swinging? Does it say anywhere that having sex with someone else is ok as long as you have your partner's permission? That that is not adultery? What is your intention with this post? Are you trying to make me lose my faith? If so, why? I am in no way trying to make you lose your faith. Just interested in what the bible says that regards swinging as not cheating. You've said that knowing that someone is always watching keeps you honest, and allows swinging instead of cheating. Where does it say in the bible that having sex with someone other than your wife / husband / partner is not cheating or adultery? It doesnt mention swinging in the bible as you well know. It doesn't mention cars or laptops or planes or the internet etc. either. I never said that the bible says swinging is ok. So Where does it say in the bible that having sex with someone other than your wife / husband / partner is not cheating or adultery? In fact, doesn't it say the opposite? Why do you care? I don't care, but I am interested as to whether you live your life how the bible says you should, or if you choose the parts of the bible to suit how you live your life. I guess it's the latter." Yes, it's the later, same as every other Christian. | |||
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" Genuinely it isn't , religion has nothing to do with living life better it can't Why can't it? I've told you that it helps make me a better human being, so there is no reason to think it doesn't also help others. In many places around the world there is no requirement to practice a religion, yet many people continue to do so. They would only do so if they thought there was some benefit to it. Yes but can you articulate why it makes you better as eloquently as you dismiss brexit ? You have already openly admitted the full doctrine is an impossible doctrine which then by default means your picking and mixing means your evolved and learned humanity has made you the better person and not the doctrine xxx It keeps me honest knowing that someone is always watching, from little things such as when I accidentally stole a bulb of garlic from the supermarket and had to go back and pay for it, to much larger things like swinging instead of cheating. It has helped me to chose my career, and how I have dedicated my life to helping others. Where does the bible encourage swinging? Does it say anywhere that having sex with someone else is ok as long as you have your partner's permission? That that is not adultery? What is your intention with this post? Are you trying to make me lose my faith? If so, why? I am in no way trying to make you lose your faith. Just interested in what the bible says that regards swinging as not cheating. You've said that knowing that someone is always watching keeps you honest, and allows swinging instead of cheating. Where does it say in the bible that having sex with someone other than your wife / husband / partner is not cheating or adultery? It doesnt mention swinging in the bible as you well know. It doesn't mention cars or laptops or planes or the internet etc. either. I never said that the bible says swinging is ok. So Where does it say in the bible that having sex with someone other than your wife / husband / partner is not cheating or adultery? In fact, doesn't it say the opposite? Why do you care? I don't care, but I am interested as to whether you live your life how the bible says you should, or if you choose the parts of the bible to suit how you live your life. I guess it's the latter. Yes, it's the later, same as every other Christian." I'd go so far as to say that's pretty much what most people do, whether Christian or not, isn't it? | |||
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"What have the Christians ever done that we can, collectively be proud of?" . Harvest for the world wasn't too bad | |||
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"What have the Christians ever done that we can, collectively be proud of?" How about world vision or Christian aid? | |||
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"What have the Christians ever done that we can, collectively be proud of? How about world vision or Christian aid?" That's the best you could come up with? Do you suppose it makes up for all of the atrocities they have committed in the name of their sky pixie? | |||
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"What have the Christians ever done that we can, collectively be proud of? How about world vision or Christian aid? That's the best you could come up with? Do you suppose it makes up for all of the atrocities they have committed in the name of their sky pixie?" No, it's not all I could come up with, but it's 2 things to be proud of. That is what you asked for. | |||
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"What have the Christians ever done that we can, collectively be proud of? How about world vision or Christian aid? That's the best you could come up with? Do you suppose it makes up for all of the atrocities they have committed in the name of their sky pixie? No, it's not all I could come up with, but it's 2 things to be proud of. That is what you asked for. " He actually asked for anything Christians have done that we can collectively be proud of. I think the thing that we can all be collectively proud of that Christianity helped to instill in our societies is the concept of equality before God. Christianity teaches that all are equal in Christ and in the site of God. It is this philosophy that directly lead the writers of the US declaration of independence to include the phrase - that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights - This in turn has lead to abolition of slavery, votes for women, civil equally regardless of sexuality and the now widely accepted concept that all are equal under the law. | |||
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"What have the Christians ever done that we can, collectively be proud of? How about world vision or Christian aid? That's the best you could come up with? Do you suppose it makes up for all of the atrocities they have committed in the name of their sky pixie? No, it's not all I could come up with, but it's 2 things to be proud of. That is what you asked for. He actually asked for anything Christians have done that we can collectively be proud of. I think the thing that we can all be collectively proud of that Christianity helped to instill in our societies is the concept of equality before God. Christianity teaches that all are equal in Christ and in the site of God. It is this philosophy that directly lead the writers of the US declaration of independence to include the phrase - that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights - This in turn has lead to abolition of slavery, votes for women, civil equally regardless of sexuality and the now widely accepted concept that all are equal under the law. " . I'm going to have to agree with you on that one, although personally, I'm bloody glad the Quakers didn't get their way with the old demon alcohol | |||
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" Genuinely it isn't , religion has nothing to do with living life better it can't Why can't it? I've told you that it helps make me a better human being, so there is no reason to think it doesn't also help others. In many places around the world there is no requirement to practice a religion, yet many people continue to do so. They would only do so if they thought there was some benefit to it. Yes but can you articulate why it makes you better as eloquently as you dismiss brexit ? You have already openly admitted the full doctrine is an impossible doctrine which then by default means your picking and mixing means your evolved and learned humanity has made you the better person and not the doctrine xxx It keeps me honest knowing that someone is always watching, from little things such as when I accidentally stole a bulb of garlic from the supermarket and had to go back and pay for it, to much larger things like swinging instead of cheating. It has helped me to chose my career, and how I have dedicated my life to helping others. So your faith is more about a set of moral guidelines because you feel as though you are not strong enough in your own self agency? More philosophy with imaginative black mail then. Because lets face it, one of the main principles of being a practicing member of sny abrahamic faith is that 'insert deity' made you to act in their will, or that they have your path in life mapped out - which is jmpossible as we have free will, thus breaking the whole 'all powerful' and being a 'servant of 'x'' point. That's not how I feel at all. How do you know there is a God?" . How do you know there's not! | |||
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" Genuinely it isn't , religion has nothing to do with living life better it can't Why can't it? I've told you that it helps make me a better human being, so there is no reason to think it doesn't also help others. In many places around the world there is no requirement to practice a religion, yet many people continue to do so. They would only do so if they thought there was some benefit to it. Yes but can you articulate why it makes you better as eloquently as you dismiss brexit ? You have already openly admitted the full doctrine is an impossible doctrine which then by default means your picking and mixing means your evolved and learned humanity has made you the better person and not the doctrine xxx It keeps me honest knowing that someone is always watching, from little things such as when I accidentally stole a bulb of garlic from the supermarket and had to go back and pay for it, to much larger things like swinging instead of cheating. It has helped me to chose my career, and how I have dedicated my life to helping others. So your faith is more about a set of moral guidelines because you feel as though you are not strong enough in your own self agency? More philosophy with imaginative black mail then. Because lets face it, one of the main principles of being a practicing member of sny abrahamic faith is that 'insert deity' made you to act in their will, or that they have your path in life mapped out - which is jmpossible as we have free will, thus breaking the whole 'all powerful' and being a 'servant of 'x'' point. That's not how I feel at all. How do you know there is a God? . How do you know there's not! "Which one! | |||
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" Genuinely it isn't , religion has nothing to do with living life better it can't Why can't it? I've told you that it helps make me a better human being, so there is no reason to think it doesn't also help others. In many places around the world there is no requirement to practice a religion, yet many people continue to do so. They would only do so if they thought there was some benefit to it. Yes but can you articulate why it makes you better as eloquently as you dismiss brexit ? You have already openly admitted the full doctrine is an impossible doctrine which then by default means your picking and mixing means your evolved and learned humanity has made you the better person and not the doctrine xxx It keeps me honest knowing that someone is always watching, from little things such as when I accidentally stole a bulb of garlic from the supermarket and had to go back and pay for it, to much larger things like swinging instead of cheating. It has helped me to chose my career, and how I have dedicated my life to helping others. So your faith is more about a set of moral guidelines because you feel as though you are not strong enough in your own self agency? More philosophy with imaginative black mail then. Because lets face it, one of the main principles of being a practicing member of sny abrahamic faith is that 'insert deity' made you to act in their will, or that they have your path in life mapped out - which is jmpossible as we have free will, thus breaking the whole 'all powerful' and being a 'servant of 'x'' point. That's not how I feel at all. How do you know there is a God? . How do you know there's not! "There are unicorns. It's a fact. Brexit will be great. It's a fact. There's a God. It's a fact. There are many gods. It's a fact. There is no God. It's a fact. Prove or disprove any of those statements | |||
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"Yawn. More Tory bashing." Interpret it as you wish - it's one of them but it's about the drivel she's said. Mind you, you knew that from the title, before you decided to open the thread. Christianity took over the pagan festival that ran up to. Christmas. I think its earlier incarnation was better. May is spouting her nonsense as it may appeal to the blue rinse brigade and others whod like the good old days back, as long as it's conservative | |||
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"Just because we have now come to our senses that we are all equal does not equate it's been down to Christianity ffs "But it is mostly in societies with a strong historical tradition of Christianity that the concept of equality under the law is most fully developed. I guess to you that's just an inconvenient coincidence. | |||
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"Just because we have now come to our senses that we are all equal does not equate it's been down to Christianity ffs
But it is mostly in societies with a strong historical tradition of Christianity that the concept of equality under the law is most fully developed. I guess to you that's just an inconvenient coincidence."Unfortunately that's the root of most problems. "My religion is better than yours". That is the basis of religious conflict. Monotheism takes this a step further. Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism and Bahai are very egalitarian but consequently never good at having empires that they could impose their opinions with. Every religion can be interpreted and used in all manner of ways. It's rarely possible to separate it from the culture. Hence intolerance of homosexuality by Christians in much of Africa whilst Turkish women could, until recently, wear what they wished and have any career they chose. | |||
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"Just because we have now come to our senses that we are all equal does not equate it's been down to Christianity ffs
But it is mostly in societies with a strong historical tradition of Christianity that the concept of equality under the law is most fully developed. I guess to you that's just an inconvenient coincidence.
Unfortunately that's the root of most problems.
"My religion is better than yours". That is the basis of religious conflict. Monotheism takes this a step further.
Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism and Bahai are very egalitarian but consequently never good at having empires that they could impose their opinions with.
Every religion can be interpreted and used in all manner of ways. It's rarely possible to separate it from the culture. Hence intolerance of homosexuality by Christians in much of Africa whilst Turkish women could, until recently, wear what they wished and have any career they chose."I would never argue that there has been no negative influence from Christianity on society or that there are not things that have been done in the name of Christianity that we should all be collectively ashamed of. Many verses in both the Old and New Testaments have been used to impose homophobic laws on our societies and some to justify racism (curse of Ham). However what the questioner asked for was something we could be collectively proud of. Equality under the law is, in my humble opinion, one such. | |||
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"Just because we have now come to our senses that we are all equal does not equate it's been down to Christianity ffs
But it is mostly in societies with a strong historical tradition of Christianity that the concept of equality under the law is most fully developed. I guess to you that's just an inconvenient coincidence.
Unfortunately that's the root of most problems.
"My religion is better than yours". That is the basis of religious conflict. Monotheism takes this a step further.
Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism and Bahai are very egalitarian but consequently never good at having empires that they could impose their opinions with.
Every religion can be interpreted and used in all manner of ways. It's rarely possible to separate it from the culture. Hence intolerance of homosexuality by Christians in much of Africa whilst Turkish women could, until recently, wear what they wished and have any career they chose.
I would never argue that there has been no negative influence from Christianity on society or that there are not things that have been done in the name of Christianity that we should all be collectively ashamed of. Many verses in both the Old and New Testaments have been used to impose homophobic laws on our societies and some to justify racism (curse of Ham). However what the questioner asked for was something we could be collectively proud of. Equality under the law is, in my humble opinion, one such."I would say thAt has less owed to the religion and more to the fact that Europe, and specifically England became a secular state with a constitutional monarchy that had already broken the power of the church. Russia was Christian and there was none of this equality nonsense going on. | |||
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"Just because we have now come to our senses that we are all equal does not equate it's been down to Christianity ffs
But it is mostly in societies with a strong historical tradition of Christianity that the concept of equality under the law is most fully developed. I guess to you that's just an inconvenient coincidence.
Unfortunately that's the root of most problems.
"My religion is better than yours". That is the basis of religious conflict. Monotheism takes this a step further.
Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism and Bahai are very egalitarian but consequently never good at having empires that they could impose their opinions with.
Every religion can be interpreted and used in all manner of ways. It's rarely possible to separate it from the culture. Hence intolerance of homosexuality by Christians in much of Africa whilst Turkish women could, until recently, wear what they wished and have any career they chose.". Not all religions are born equal, some start off relatively begin and turn into totalitarianism, some start off bad and turn good. Historically Christianity was bad until the enlightenment , now it's relatively benign from being secularised, the same cannot be said for the others.... Although Buddhism has a better reputation than most from start to finish as it was benign from the start | |||
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"Just because we have now come to our senses that we are all equal does not equate it's been down to Christianity ffs
But it is mostly in societies with a strong historical tradition of Christianity that the concept of equality under the law is most fully developed. I guess to you that's just an inconvenient coincidence.
Unfortunately that's the root of most problems.
"My religion is better than yours". That is the basis of religious conflict. Monotheism takes this a step further.
Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism and Bahai are very egalitarian but consequently never good at having empires that they could impose their opinions with.
Every religion can be interpreted and used in all manner of ways. It's rarely possible to separate it from the culture. Hence intolerance of homosexuality by Christians in much of Africa whilst Turkish women could, until recently, wear what they wished and have any career they chose..
Not all religions are born equal, some start off relatively begin and turn into totalitarianism, some start off bad and turn good.
Historically Christianity was bad until the enlightenment , now it's relatively benign from being secularised, the same cannot be said for the others.... Although Buddhism has a better reputation than most from start to finish as it was benign from the start "Yeah? Like the Buddhist Japanese in WII? The Buddhist who have been fighting against the Christians and Muslims in Burma for 70+ years? How about Sri Lanka's Buddhists and their treatment of the Tamil? | |||
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" Genuinely it isn't , religion has nothing to do with living life better it can't Why can't it? I've told you that it helps make me a better human being, so there is no reason to think it doesn't also help others. In many places around the world there is no requirement to practice a religion, yet many people continue to do so. They would only do so if they thought there was some benefit to it. Yes but can you articulate why it makes you better as eloquently as you dismiss brexit ? You have already openly admitted the full doctrine is an impossible doctrine which then by default means your picking and mixing means your evolved and learned humanity has made you the better person and not the doctrine xxx It keeps me honest knowing that someone is always watching, from little things such as when I accidentally stole a bulb of garlic from the supermarket and had to go back and pay for it, to much larger things like swinging instead of cheating. It has helped me to chose my career, and how I have dedicated my life to helping others. So your faith is more about a set of moral guidelines because you feel as though you are not strong enough in your own self agency? More philosophy with imaginative black mail then. Because lets face it, one of the main principles of being a practicing member of sny abrahamic faith is that 'insert deity' made you to act in their will, or that they have your path in life mapped out - which is jmpossible as we have free will, thus breaking the whole 'all powerful' and being a 'servant of 'x'' point. That's not how I feel at all. How do you know there is a God? . How do you know there's not!
There are unicorns.
It's a fact.
Brexit will be great.
It's a fact.
There's a God.
It's a fact.
There are many gods.
It's a fact.
There is no God.
It's a fact.
Prove or disprove any of those statements "i like dogs.. | |||
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"What have the Christians ever done that we can, collectively be proud of? How about world vision or Christian aid? That's the best you could come up with? Do you suppose it makes up for all of the atrocities they have committed in the name of their sky pixie? No, it's not all I could come up with, but it's 2 things to be proud of. That is what you asked for. He actually asked for anything Christians have done that we can collectively be proud of. I think the thing that we can all be collectively proud of that Christianity helped to instill in our societies is the concept of equality before God. Christianity teaches that all are equal in Christ and in the site of God. It is this philosophy that directly lead the writers of the US declaration of independence to include the phrase - that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights - This in turn has lead to abolition of slavery, votes for women, civil equally regardless of sexuality and the now widely accepted concept that all are equal under the law. " Except some people are more "equal" than others. Since when has Christianity ever demonstrated a commitment to equality (actions, not words)? | |||
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"Just because we have now come to our senses that we are all equal does not equate it's been down to Christianity ffs
But it is mostly in societies with a strong historical tradition of Christianity that the concept of equality under the law is most fully developed. I guess to you that's just an inconvenient coincidence.
Unfortunately that's the root of most problems.
"My religion is better than yours". That is the basis of religious conflict. Monotheism takes this a step further.
Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism and Bahai are very egalitarian but consequently never good at having empires that they could impose their opinions with.
Every religion can be interpreted and used in all manner of ways. It's rarely possible to separate it from the culture. Hence intolerance of homosexuality by Christians in much of Africa whilst Turkish women could, until recently, wear what they wished and have any career they chose..
Not all religions are born equal, some start off relatively begin and turn into totalitarianism, some start off bad and turn good.
Historically Christianity was bad until the enlightenment , now it's relatively benign from being secularised, the same cannot be said for the others.... Although Buddhism has a better reputation than most from start to finish as it was benign from the start
Yeah? Like the Buddhist Japanese in WII? The Buddhist who have been fighting against the Christians and Muslims in Burma for 70+ years? How about Sri Lanka's Buddhists and their treatment of the Tamil? ". The Japanese weren't strictly Buddhist, it was a Shinto form of Buddhism but apart from that I must have missed the bit where I said all Buddhists are peaceful?. A religion is only as stable as the people following it, the most unstable religions are followed be the least stable people, and the least stable people unfortunately follow the least stable religion, it's the recipe for disaster | |||
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"Just because we have now come to our senses that we are all equal does not equate it's been down to Christianity ffs
But it is mostly in societies with a strong historical tradition of Christianity that the concept of equality under the law is most fully developed. I guess to you that's just an inconvenient coincidence.
Unfortunately that's the root of most problems.
"My religion is better than yours". That is the basis of religious conflict. Monotheism takes this a step further.
Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism and Bahai are very egalitarian but consequently never good at having empires that they could impose their opinions with.
Every religion can be interpreted and used in all manner of ways. It's rarely possible to separate it from the culture. Hence intolerance of homosexuality by Christians in much of Africa whilst Turkish women could, until recently, wear what they wished and have any career they chose..
Not all religions are born equal, some start off relatively begin and turn into totalitarianism, some start off bad and turn good.
Historically Christianity was bad until the enlightenment , now it's relatively benign from being secularised, the same cannot be said for the others.... Although Buddhism has a better reputation than most from start to finish as it was benign from the start
Yeah? Like the Buddhist Japanese in WII? The Buddhist who have been fighting against the Christians and Muslims in Burma for 70+ years? How about Sri Lanka's Buddhists and their treatment of the Tamil? "I don't usually use a Wikipedia quote but just for brevity: "During World War II, the government forced every subject to practice State Shinto and admit that the Emperor was divine. Those who opposed the Imperial cult, including Oomoto and Soka Gakkai, were persecuted. Worth noting that most Japanese truly believed the Emperor was divine." You do know that the Tamil Tigers invented the concept of the suicide bomber and used the delightful concept to assassinate both Indian and Sri Lankan heads of state amongst others? However, regardless of that, I'm not attacking Christianity nor am I defending Buddhist who do appealing things. This is not a competition that anyone wins is it? The fact that it's made into a competition is what has caused and still causes much of the planet's problems. | |||
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"Just because we have now come to our senses that we are all equal does not equate it's been down to Christianity ffs
But it is mostly in societies with a strong historical tradition of Christianity that the concept of equality under the law is most fully developed. I guess to you that's just an inconvenient coincidence.
Unfortunately that's the root of most problems.
"My religion is better than yours". That is the basis of religious conflict. Monotheism takes this a step further.
Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism and Bahai are very egalitarian but consequently never good at having empires that they could impose their opinions with.
Every religion can be interpreted and used in all manner of ways. It's rarely possible to separate it from the culture. Hence intolerance of homosexuality by Christians in much of Africa whilst Turkish women could, until recently, wear what they wished and have any career they chose..
Not all religions are born equal, some start off relatively begin and turn into totalitarianism, some start off bad and turn good.
Historically Christianity was bad until the enlightenment , now it's relatively benign from being secularised, the same cannot be said for the others.... Although Buddhism has a better reputation than most from start to finish as it was benign from the start
Yeah? Like the Buddhist Japanese in WII? The Buddhist who have been fighting against the Christians and Muslims in Burma for 70+ years? How about Sri Lanka's Buddhists and their treatment of the Tamil? .
The Japanese weren't strictly Buddhist, it was a Shinto form of Buddhism but apart from that I must have missed the bit where I said all Buddhists are peaceful?.
A religion is only as stable as the people following it, the most unstable religions are followed be the least stable people, and the least stable people unfortunately follow the least stable religion, it's the recipe for disaster "That is what you were implying. Out of the major religions, I think Buddhism is the least positive for society. Most religions have charity as a key part of their faith, Buddhism however doesn't, in fact its the opposite. Buddhist monks don't generally cook for themselves, they mainly rely on food from the community. They also expect the community to fund the temple, provide them with clothes, candles, gold, statues etc. But then give nothing back to the community. Sadly as with most charitable giving, it is usually those with the least, that give the most, and it's sad to see that Buddhism doesn't help those communities. | |||
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"Just because we have now come to our senses that we are all equal does not equate it's been down to Christianity ffs
But it is mostly in societies with a strong historical tradition of Christianity that the concept of equality under the law is most fully developed. I guess to you that's just an inconvenient coincidence.
Unfortunately that's the root of most problems.
"My religion is better than yours". That is the basis of religious conflict. Monotheism takes this a step further.
Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism and Bahai are very egalitarian but consequently never good at having empires that they could impose their opinions with.
Every religion can be interpreted and used in all manner of ways. It's rarely possible to separate it from the culture. Hence intolerance of homosexuality by Christians in much of Africa whilst Turkish women could, until recently, wear what they wished and have any career they chose..
Not all religions are born equal, some start off relatively begin and turn into totalitarianism, some start off bad and turn good.
Historically Christianity was bad until the enlightenment , now it's relatively benign from being secularised, the same cannot be said for the others.... Although Buddhism has a better reputation than most from start to finish as it was benign from the start
Yeah? Like the Buddhist Japanese in WII? The Buddhist who have been fighting against the Christians and Muslims in Burma for 70+ years? How about Sri Lanka's Buddhists and their treatment of the Tamil? .
The Japanese weren't strictly Buddhist, it was a Shinto form of Buddhism but apart from that I must have missed the bit where I said all Buddhists are peaceful?.
A religion is only as stable as the people following it, the most unstable religions are followed be the least stable people, and the least stable people unfortunately follow the least stable religion, it's the recipe for disaster
That is what you were implying.
Out of the major religions, I think Buddhism is the least positive for society. Most religions have charity as a key part of their faith, Buddhism however doesn't, in fact its the opposite. Buddhist monks don't generally cook for themselves, they mainly rely on food from the community. They also expect the community to fund the temple, provide them with clothes, candles, gold, statues etc. But then give nothing back to the community. Sadly as with most charitable giving, it is usually those with the least, that give the most, and it's sad to see that Buddhism doesn't help those communities. "Wow. Interesting perspective. Not sure why such an aggressive response. Perhaps a little more research might prove helpful, but I get the sense that it won't so if you'd like me to state that Christianity is the greatest religion then I can, or do I have to believe as in 1984? | |||
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"What have the Christians ever done that we can, collectively be proud of? How about world vision or Christian aid? That's the best you could come up with? Do you suppose it makes up for all of the atrocities they have committed in the name of their sky pixie? No, it's not all I could come up with, but it's 2 things to be proud of. That is what you asked for. He actually asked for anything Christians have done that we can collectively be proud of. I think the thing that we can all be collectively proud of that Christianity helped to instill in our societies is the concept of equality before God. Christianity teaches that all are equal in Christ and in the site of God. It is this philosophy that directly lead the writers of the US declaration of independence to include the phrase - that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights - This in turn has lead to abolition of slavery, votes for women, civil equally regardless of sexuality and the now widely accepted concept that all are equal under the law. Except some people are more "equal" than others. Since when has Christianity ever demonstrated a commitment to equality (actions, not words)?" Seriously? Let's start with the Levellers after the English Civil war who argued at the Putney Debates in 1647 that all men equally had natural rights that came directly from the law of God expressed in the Bible. This argument was further developed saying that "if all legitimate and legal authority comes from God and all are equal in the sight of God then all legitimate law must see all as equal" It was this same argument that was also expressed in the US declaration of independence, as I mentioned above. If you seriously can not see the connection between the commonly used phrases "All are equal in the sight of God" and "All are equal in the eyes of the law" then I can only assume that you're letting your own preconceived bias blind you to what, once pointed out, should be clear to all. | |||
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"What have the Christians ever done that we can, collectively be proud of? How about world vision or Christian aid? That's the best you could come up with? Do you suppose it makes up for all of the atrocities they have committed in the name of their sky pixie? No, it's not all I could come up with, but it's 2 things to be proud of. That is what you asked for. He actually asked for anything Christians have done that we can collectively be proud of. I think the thing that we can all be collectively proud of that Christianity helped to instill in our societies is the concept of equality before God. Christianity teaches that all are equal in Christ and in the site of God. It is this philosophy that directly lead the writers of the US declaration of independence to include the phrase - that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights - This in turn has lead to abolition of slavery, votes for women, civil equally regardless of sexuality and the now widely accepted concept that all are equal under the law. Except some people are more "equal" than others. Since when has Christianity ever demonstrated a commitment to equality (actions, not words)? Seriously? Let's start with the Levellers after the English Civil war who argued at the Putney Debates in 1647 that all men equally had natural rights that came directly from the law of God expressed in the Bible. This argument was further developed saying that "if all legitimate and legal authority comes from God and all are equal in the sight of God then all legitimate law must see all as equal" It was this same argument that was also expressed in the US declaration of independence, as I mentioned above. If you seriously can not see the connection between the commonly used phrases "All are equal in the sight of God" and "All are equal in the eyes of the law" then I can only assume that you're letting your own preconceived bias blind you to what, once pointed out, should be clear to all." Except that the established church did not countenance this view. Quite the opposite. That's not to deny that their view was not based in their Christian beliefs. However, it was their own interpretation of their faith and how they, personally, acted on it in the face of their fellow Christians that marks them out don't you think? During the same period Cromwell brutalised the Catholics in Ireland. It takes good men, regardless of religion. | |||
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"Just because we have now come to our senses that we are all equal does not equate it's been down to Christianity ffs
But it is mostly in societies with a strong historical tradition of Christianity that the concept of equality under the law is most fully developed. I guess to you that's just an inconvenient coincidence.
Unfortunately that's the root of most problems.
"My religion is better than yours". That is the basis of religious conflict. Monotheism takes this a step further.
Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism and Bahai are very egalitarian but consequently never good at having empires that they could impose their opinions with.
Every religion can be interpreted and used in all manner of ways. It's rarely possible to separate it from the culture. Hence intolerance of homosexuality by Christians in much of Africa whilst Turkish women could, until recently, wear what they wished and have any career they chose..
Not all religions are born equal, some start off relatively begin and turn into totalitarianism, some start off bad and turn good.
Historically Christianity was bad until the enlightenment , now it's relatively benign from being secularised, the same cannot be said for the others.... Although Buddhism has a better reputation than most from start to finish as it was benign from the start
Yeah? Like the Buddhist Japanese in WII? The Buddhist who have been fighting against the Christians and Muslims in Burma for 70+ years? How about Sri Lanka's Buddhists and their treatment of the Tamil? .
The Japanese weren't strictly Buddhist, it was a Shinto form of Buddhism but apart from that I must have missed the bit where I said all Buddhists are peaceful?.
A religion is only as stable as the people following it, the most unstable religions are followed be the least stable people, and the least stable people unfortunately follow the least stable religion, it's the recipe for disaster
That is what you were implying.
Out of the major religions, I think Buddhism is the least positive for society. Most religions have charity as a key part of their faith, Buddhism however doesn't, in fact its the opposite. Buddhist monks don't generally cook for themselves, they mainly rely on food from the community. They also expect the community to fund the temple, provide them with clothes, candles, gold, statues etc. But then give nothing back to the community. Sadly as with most charitable giving, it is usually those with the least, that give the most, and it's sad to see that Buddhism doesn't help those communities.
Wow. Interesting perspective.
Not sure why such an aggressive response.
Perhaps a little more research might prove helpful, but I get the sense that it won't so if you'd like me to state that Christianity is the greatest religion then I can, or do I have to believe as in 1984?"I didn't intend it to be read in an aggressive way, and I apologise if it came off that way. There are good things and bad in all religions, and I am certainly not anti-Buddhist. I don't mind if you believe in Christianity or not, or any other religion for that matter. I don't push my religion on anyone else. I have said that my religion has helped me, I don't know if it would help you or not. | |||
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"Just because we have now come to our senses that we are all equal does not equate it's been down to Christianity ffs
But it is mostly in societies with a strong historical tradition of Christianity that the concept of equality under the law is most fully developed. I guess to you that's just an inconvenient coincidence.
Unfortunately that's the root of most problems.
"My religion is better than yours". That is the basis of religious conflict. Monotheism takes this a step further.
Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism and Bahai are very egalitarian but consequently never good at having empires that they could impose their opinions with.
Every religion can be interpreted and used in all manner of ways. It's rarely possible to separate it from the culture. Hence intolerance of homosexuality by Christians in much of Africa whilst Turkish women could, until recently, wear what they wished and have any career they chose..
Not all religions are born equal, some start off relatively begin and turn into totalitarianism, some start off bad and turn good.
Historically Christianity was bad until the enlightenment , now it's relatively benign from being secularised, the same cannot be said for the others.... Although Buddhism has a better reputation than most from start to finish as it was benign from the start
Yeah? Like the Buddhist Japanese in WII? The Buddhist who have been fighting against the Christians and Muslims in Burma for 70+ years? How about Sri Lanka's Buddhists and their treatment of the Tamil? .
The Japanese weren't strictly Buddhist, it was a Shinto form of Buddhism but apart from that I must have missed the bit where I said all Buddhists are peaceful?.
A religion is only as stable as the people following it, the most unstable religions are followed be the least stable people, and the least stable people unfortunately follow the least stable religion, it's the recipe for disaster
That is what you were implying.
Out of the major religions, I think Buddhism is the least positive for society. Most religions have charity as a key part of their faith, Buddhism however doesn't, in fact its the opposite. Buddhist monks don't generally cook for themselves, they mainly rely on food from the community. They also expect the community to fund the temple, provide them with clothes, candles, gold, statues etc. But then give nothing back to the community. Sadly as with most charitable giving, it is usually those with the least, that give the most, and it's sad to see that Buddhism doesn't help those communities.
Wow. Interesting perspective.
Not sure why such an aggressive response.
Perhaps a little more research might prove helpful, but I get the sense that it won't so if you'd like me to state that Christianity is the greatest religion then I can, or do I have to believe as in 1984?
I didn't intend it to be read in an aggressive way, and I apologise if it came off that way. There are good things and bad in all religions, and I am certainly not anti-Buddhist. I don't mind if you believe in Christianity or not, or any other religion for that matter. I don't push my religion on anyone else. I have said that my religion has helped me, I don't know if it would help you or not. "Fair enough. Sadly religion raises strong reactions and a cursory knowledge can lead to significant misunderstanding. There's this whole eating the body of Christ and drinking his blood which sounds like a very worrying cannibalistic ritual if you didn't know better
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"Yawn. More Tory bashing. No. I just don’t appreciate any supposedly well educated person trying to convince me how good their imaginary friend has been for this country. More so if that person holds a position of very high authority in society." I'm not religious but it's about controlling the masses and for me I'd rather her chuck out the Christian theme and this is why. Let's not moan about the Islamic militant issue growing in this country and Brits wondering why. Part of the problem is our supposed uk Christian country ain't following it much anymore and it leaves room for other religions which may not be as tolerant as Christianity to move in be more dominant and who knows one day no10 might be asking us to pray to some other religion. I think Christianity hasn't been too bad for this country. I respect the equinox more this time of year to be honest but not for wizardry but because I know nights will start getting shorter and we are looking towards spring and summer. | |||
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" .... doesn't mention cars or laptops or planes or the internet etc. either." The bible is littered with contradictions, false numbers, and inconsistencies. Lucky they didn't have a bus to put it on.... | |||
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"The bible .... .... doesn't mention cars or laptops or planes or the internet etc. either. The bible is littered with contradictions, false numbers, and inconsistencies. Lucky they didn't have a bus to put it on.... " The bible is the word of God.Ask any real Christian.Its not the work of men.An omnipotent omniscient being can't be wrong. | |||
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"The bible .... .... doesn't mention cars or laptops or planes or the internet etc. either. The bible is littered with contradictions, false numbers, and inconsistencies. Lucky they didn't have a bus to put it on.... The bible is the word of God.Ask any real Christian.Its not the work of men.An omnipotent omniscient being can't be wrong. ". This is true which is why we have the man made version called the new testament for the liberals | |||
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"The bible .... .... doesn't mention cars or laptops or planes or the internet etc. either. The bible is littered with contradictions, false numbers, and inconsistencies. Lucky they didn't have a bus to put it on.... The bible is the word of God.Ask any real Christian.Its not the work of men.An omnipotent omniscient being can't be wrong. "Bob, weren't you complaining about Christians being self righteous earlier? How do you think your post comes across? | |||
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"The bible .... .... doesn't mention cars or laptops or planes or the internet etc. either. The bible is littered with contradictions, false numbers, and inconsistencies. Lucky they didn't have a bus to put it on.... The bible is the word of God.Ask any real Christian.Its not the work of men.An omnipotent omniscient being can't be wrong.
Bob, weren't you complaining about Christians being self righteous earlier? How do you think your post comes across? "Is the bible the word of God ?.Or is it the work of man.? | |||
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"The bible .... .... doesn't mention cars or laptops or planes or the internet etc. either. The bible is littered with contradictions, false numbers, and inconsistencies. Lucky they didn't have a bus to put it on.... The bible is the word of God.Ask any real Christian.Its not the work of men.An omnipotent omniscient being can't be wrong.
Bob, weren't you complaining about Christians being self righteous earlier? How do you think your post comes across? Is the bible the word of God ?.Or is it the work of man.?"Its literally divided into chapters named after the men who wrote it. | |||
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"The bible .... .... doesn't mention cars or laptops or planes or the internet etc. either. The bible is littered with contradictions, false numbers, and inconsistencies. Lucky they didn't have a bus to put it on.... The bible is the word of God.Ask any real Christian.Its not the work of men.An omnipotent omniscient being can't be wrong.
Bob, weren't you complaining about Christians being self righteous earlier? How do you think your post comes across? Is the bible the word of God ?.Or is it the work of man.?
Its literally divided into chapters named after the men who wrote it. "I know it's an awkward question for liberal Christians who cherry pick the good book.However it's true that in hundreds of passages, the Bible declares or takes the position explicitly or implicitly that it is nothing less than the very Word of God.In the old an new testament. | |||
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"The bible .... .... doesn't mention cars or laptops or planes or the internet etc. either. The bible is littered with contradictions, false numbers, and inconsistencies. Lucky they didn't have a bus to put it on.... The bible is the word of God.Ask any real Christian.Its not the work of men.An omnipotent omniscient being can't be wrong.
Bob, weren't you complaining about Christians being self righteous earlier? How do you think your post comes across? Is the bible the word of God ?.Or is it the work of man.?
Its literally divided into chapters named after the men who wrote it. I know it's an awkward question for liberal Christians who cherry pick the good book.However it's true that in hundreds of passages, the Bible declares or takes the position explicitly or implicitly that it is nothing less than the very Word of God.In the old an new testament. "Its not an awkward question, I just answered it, and told you, it's divided into chapters named after the men who wrote it. | |||
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"The bible .... .... doesn't mention cars or laptops or planes or the internet etc. either. The bible is littered with contradictions, false numbers, and inconsistencies. Lucky they didn't have a bus to put it on.... The bible is the word of God.Ask any real Christian.Its not the work of men.An omnipotent omniscient being can't be wrong.
Bob, weren't you complaining about Christians being self righteous earlier? How do you think your post comes across? Is the bible the word of God ?.Or is it the work of man.?
Its literally divided into chapters named after the men who wrote it. I know it's an awkward question for liberal Christians who cherry pick the good book.However it's true that in hundreds of passages, the Bible declares or takes the position explicitly or implicitly that it is nothing less than the very Word of God.In the old an new testament.
Its not an awkward question, I just answered it, and told you, it's divided into chapters named after the men who wrote it. "Unfortunately for you Google tells me the good book states it is the word of God 3800 times. So for you it's the work of men not God.? | |||
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"The bible .... .... doesn't mention cars or laptops or planes or the internet etc. either. The bible is littered with contradictions, false numbers, and inconsistencies. Lucky they didn't have a bus to put it on.... The bible is the word of God.Ask any real Christian.Its not the work of men.An omnipotent omniscient being can't be wrong.
Bob, weren't you complaining about Christians being self righteous earlier? How do you think your post comes across? Is the bible the word of God ?.Or is it the work of man.?
Its literally divided into chapters named after the men who wrote it. I know it's an awkward question for liberal Christians who cherry pick the good book.However it's true that in hundreds of passages, the Bible declares or takes the position explicitly or implicitly that it is nothing less than the very Word of God.In the old an new testament.
Its not an awkward question, I just answered it, and told you, it's divided into chapters named after the men who wrote it. Unfortunately for you Google tells me the good book states it is the word of God 3800 times.
So for you it's the work of men not God.?
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"The bible .... .... doesn't mention cars or laptops or planes or the internet etc. either. The bible is littered with contradictions, false numbers, and inconsistencies. Lucky they didn't have a bus to put it on.... The bible is the word of God.Ask any real Christian.Its not the work of men.An omnipotent omniscient being can't be wrong.
Bob, weren't you complaining about Christians being self righteous earlier? How do you think your post comes across? Is the bible the word of God ?.Or is it the work of man.?
Its literally divided into chapters named after the men who wrote it. I know it's an awkward question for liberal Christians who cherry pick the good book.However it's true that in hundreds of passages, the Bible declares or takes the position explicitly or implicitly that it is nothing less than the very Word of God.In the old an new testament.
Its not an awkward question, I just answered it, and told you, it's divided into chapters named after the men who wrote it. Unfortunately for you Google tells me the good book states it is the word of God 3800 times.
So for you it's the work of men not God.?
So who the fuck are Matthew, Mark, Luke and John?"So you're going with the work of men.Not the word of God. | |||
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"The bible .... .... doesn't mention cars or laptops or planes or the internet etc. either. The bible is littered with contradictions, false numbers, and inconsistencies. Lucky they didn't have a bus to put it on.... The bible is the word of God.Ask any real Christian.Its not the work of men.An omnipotent omniscient being can't be wrong.
Bob, weren't you complaining about Christians being self righteous earlier? How do you think your post comes across? Is the bible the word of God ?.Or is it the work of man.?
Its literally divided into chapters named after the men who wrote it. I know it's an awkward question for liberal Christians who cherry pick the good book.However it's true that in hundreds of passages, the Bible declares or takes the position explicitly or implicitly that it is nothing less than the very Word of God.In the old an new testament.
Its not an awkward question, I just answered it, and told you, it's divided into chapters named after the men who wrote it. Unfortunately for you Google tells me the good book states it is the word of God 3800 times.
So for you it's the work of men not God.?
So who the fuck are Matthew, Mark, Luke and John? So you're going with the work of men.Not the word of God. "Who are they Bob? Answer the question | |||
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"The bible .... .... doesn't mention cars or laptops or planes or the internet etc. either. The bible is littered with contradictions, false numbers, and inconsistencies. Lucky they didn't have a bus to put it on.... The bible is the word of God.Ask any real Christian.Its not the work of men.An omnipotent omniscient being can't be wrong.
Bob, weren't you complaining about Christians being self righteous earlier? How do you think your post comes across? Is the bible the word of God ?.Or is it the work of man.?
Its literally divided into chapters named after the men who wrote it. I know it's an awkward question for liberal Christians who cherry pick the good book.However it's true that in hundreds of passages, the Bible declares or takes the position explicitly or implicitly that it is nothing less than the very Word of God.In the old an new testament.
Its not an awkward question, I just answered it, and told you, it's divided into chapters named after the men who wrote it. Unfortunately for you Google tells me the good book states it is the word of God 3800 times.
So for you it's the work of men not God.?
"Or it could be the work of men inspired by God. It's a simple logical argument. If God is all knowing then such a god must also be infallible and not capable of error. If a person is truly inspired by this infallible god then the actions taken, while inspired, must also be inerrant. If God inspired this person to write anything then anything that person wrote, while inspired, must also be inerrant. So, if you believe that God exists, that He is also an all knowing god and that the people who actually wrote the Bible where actually inspired by God then you would also believe that what they wrote must inerrant. Of course if you don't believe any one of those three things then inerrancy doesn't come into the question. | |||
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"The bible .... .... doesn't mention cars or laptops or planes or the internet etc. either. The bible is littered with contradictions, false numbers, and inconsistencies. Lucky they didn't have a bus to put it on.... The bible is the word of God.Ask any real Christian.Its not the work of men.An omnipotent omniscient being can't be wrong.
Bob, weren't you complaining about Christians being self righteous earlier? How do you think your post comes across? Is the bible the word of God ?.Or is it the work of man.?
Its literally divided into chapters named after the men who wrote it. I know it's an awkward question for liberal Christians who cherry pick the good book.However it's true that in hundreds of passages, the Bible declares or takes the position explicitly or implicitly that it is nothing less than the very Word of God.In the old an new testament.
Its not an awkward question, I just answered it, and told you, it's divided into chapters named after the men who wrote it. Unfortunately for you Google tells me the good book states it is the word of God 3800 times.
So for you it's the work of men not God.?
So who the fuck are Matthew, Mark, Luke and John? So you're going with the work of men.Not the word of God.
Who are they Bob? Answer the question "You know who they are . They gave different accounts of Jesus and his message from God and his life and it's gospel !.Is this why you think God had no hand in the bible and it's the work of men chronicling events and not divine.? Do you think the supreme being would allow fake news in the Bible ? | |||
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"The bible .... .... doesn't mention cars or laptops or planes or the internet etc. either. The bible is littered with contradictions, false numbers, and inconsistencies. Lucky they didn't have a bus to put it on.... The bible is the word of God.Ask any real Christian.Its not the work of men.An omnipotent omniscient being can't be wrong.
Bob, weren't you complaining about Christians being self righteous earlier? How do you think your post comes across? Is the bible the word of God ?.Or is it the work of man.?
Its literally divided into chapters named after the men who wrote it. I know it's an awkward question for liberal Christians who cherry pick the good book.However it's true that in hundreds of passages, the Bible declares or takes the position explicitly or implicitly that it is nothing less than the very Word of God.In the old an new testament.
Its not an awkward question, I just answered it, and told you, it's divided into chapters named after the men who wrote it. Unfortunately for you Google tells me the good book states it is the word of God 3800 times.
So for you it's the work of men not God.?
So who the fuck are Matthew, Mark, Luke and John? So you're going with the work of men.Not the word of God.
Who are they Bob? Answer the question You know who they are . They gave different accounts of Jesus and his message from God and his life and it's gospel !.Is this why you think God had no hand in the bible and it's the work of men chronicling events and not divine.? Do you think the supreme being would allow fake news in the Bible ?
"Yes, I know who they are, they are the guys who wrote the bible. Something you are trying to portray that Christians don't believe in, and then attempting to ridicule them for not believing. All you are doing is making yourself feel foolish. I understand that religion isn't for everyone, and respect people who aren't relgious. However, I don't respect people who try to strip others of religion, and don't understand their motives for trying to take away something that people have said is beneficial for them. | |||
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"The bible .... .... doesn't mention cars or laptops or planes or the internet etc. either. The bible is littered with contradictions, false numbers, and inconsistencies. Lucky they didn't have a bus to put it on.... The bible is the word of God.Ask any real Christian.Its not the work of men.An omnipotent omniscient being can't be wrong.
Bob, weren't you complaining about Christians being self righteous earlier? How do you think your post comes across? Is the bible the word of God ?.Or is it the work of man.?
Its literally divided into chapters named after the men who wrote it. I know it's an awkward question for liberal Christians who cherry pick the good book.However it's true that in hundreds of passages, the Bible declares or takes the position explicitly or implicitly that it is nothing less than the very Word of God.In the old an new testament.
Its not an awkward question, I just answered it, and told you, it's divided into chapters named after the men who wrote it. Unfortunately for you Google tells me the good book states it is the word of God 3800 times.
So for you it's the work of men not God.?
So who the fuck are Matthew, Mark, Luke and John? So you're going with the work of men.Not the word of God.
Who are they Bob? Answer the question You know who they are . They gave different accounts of Jesus and his message from God and his life and it's gospel !.Is this why you think God had no hand in the bible and it's the work of men chronicling events and not divine.? Do you think the supreme being would allow fake news in the Bible ?
Yes, I know who they are, they are the guys who wrote the bible. Something you are trying to portray that Christians don't believe in, and then attempting to ridicule them for not believing. All you are doing is making yourself feel foolish.
I understand that religion isn't for everyone, and respect people who aren't relgious. However, I don't respect people who try to strip others of religion, and don't understand their motives for trying to take away something that people have said is beneficial for them. "I think you'll find God allowed 40 main contributors in the old and new testament and various translations and edits before the word of God was perfect .Not sure why you think Mathew mark Luke and John wrote the bible. | |||
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"What have the Christians ever done that we can, collectively be proud of? How about world vision or Christian aid? That's the best you could come up with? Do you suppose it makes up for all of the atrocities they have committed in the name of their sky pixie? No, it's not all I could come up with, but it's 2 things to be proud of. That is what you asked for. He actually asked for anything Christians have done that we can collectively be proud of. I think the thing that we can all be collectively proud of that Christianity helped to instill in our societies is the concept of equality before God. Christianity teaches that all are equal in Christ and in the site of God. It is this philosophy that directly lead the writers of the US declaration of independence to include the phrase - that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights - This in turn has lead to abolition of slavery, votes for women, civil equally regardless of sexuality and the now widely accepted concept that all are equal under the law. Except some people are more "equal" than others. Since when has Christianity ever demonstrated a commitment to equality (actions, not words)? Seriously? Let's start with the Levellers after the English Civil war who argued at the Putney Debates in 1647 that all men equally had natural rights that came directly from the law of God expressed in the Bible. This argument was further developed saying that "if all legitimate and legal authority comes from God and all are equal in the sight of God then all legitimate law must see all as equal" It was this same argument that was also expressed in the US declaration of independence, as I mentioned above. If you seriously can not see the connection between the commonly used phrases "All are equal in the sight of God" and "All are equal in the eyes of the law" then I can only assume that you're letting your own preconceived bias blind you to what, once pointed out, should be clear to all. Except that the established church did not countenance this view. Quite the opposite. That's not to deny that their view was not based in their Christian beliefs. However, it was their own interpretation of their faith and how they, personally, acted on it in the face of their fellow Christians that marks them out don't you think? During the same period Cromwell brutalised the Catholics in Ireland. It takes good men, regardless of religion." Which was my point - who cares what they say? I'm more concerned with what they do. | |||
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"What have the Christians ever done that we can, collectively be proud of? How about world vision or Christian aid? That's the best you could come up with? Do you suppose it makes up for all of the atrocities they have committed in the name of their sky pixie? No, it's not all I could come up with, but it's 2 things to be proud of. That is what you asked for. He actually asked for anything Christians have done that we can collectively be proud of. I think the thing that we can all be collectively proud of that Christianity helped to instill in our societies is the concept of equality before God. Christianity teaches that all are equal in Christ and in the site of God. It is this philosophy that directly lead the writers of the US declaration of independence to include the phrase - that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights - This in turn has lead to abolition of slavery, votes for women, civil equally regardless of sexuality and the now widely accepted concept that all are equal under the law. Except some people are more "equal" than others. Since when has Christianity ever demonstrated a commitment to equality (actions, not words)? Seriously? Let's start with the Levellers after the English Civil war who argued at the Putney Debates in 1647 that all men equally had natural rights that came directly from the law of God expressed in the Bible. This argument was further developed saying that "if all legitimate and legal authority comes from God and all are equal in the sight of God then all legitimate law must see all as equal" It was this same argument that was also expressed in the US declaration of independence, as I mentioned above. If you seriously can not see the connection between the commonly used phrases "All are equal in the sight of God" and "All are equal in the eyes of the law" then I can only assume that you're letting your own preconceived bias blind you to what, once pointed out, should be clear to all. Except that the established church did not countenance this view. Quite the opposite. That's not to deny that their view was not based in their Christian beliefs. However, it was their own interpretation of their faith and how they, personally, acted on it in the face of their fellow Christians that marks them out don't you think? During the same period Cromwell brutalised the Catholics in Ireland. It takes good men, regardless of religion. Which was my point - who cares what they say? I'm more concerned with what they do. " And that's my point to because not only did they say that because all are equal in the site of God all should be equal in the eyes of the law, they actually took action to create a society where sometimes too slowly but always steadily has been heading more and more in that direction over the last 400 years. | |||
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"What have the Christians ever done that we can, collectively be proud of? How about world vision or Christian aid? That's the best you could come up with? Do you suppose it makes up for all of the atrocities they have committed in the name of their sky pixie? No, it's not all I could come up with, but it's 2 things to be proud of. That is what you asked for. He actually asked for anything Christians have done that we can collectively be proud of. I think the thing that we can all be collectively proud of that Christianity helped to instill in our societies is the concept of equality before God. Christianity teaches that all are equal in Christ and in the site of God. It is this philosophy that directly lead the writers of the US declaration of independence to include the phrase - that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights - This in turn has lead to abolition of slavery, votes for women, civil equally regardless of sexuality and the now widely accepted concept that all are equal under the law. Except some people are more "equal" than others. Since when has Christianity ever demonstrated a commitment to equality (actions, not words)? Seriously? Let's start with the Levellers after the English Civil war who argued at the Putney Debates in 1647 that all men equally had natural rights that came directly from the law of God expressed in the Bible. This argument was further developed saying that "if all legitimate and legal authority comes from God and all are equal in the sight of God then all legitimate law must see all as equal" It was this same argument that was also expressed in the US declaration of independence, as I mentioned above. If you seriously can not see the connection between the commonly used phrases "All are equal in the sight of God" and "All are equal in the eyes of the law" then I can only assume that you're letting your own preconceived bias blind you to what, once pointed out, should be clear to all. Except that the established church did not countenance this view. Quite the opposite. That's not to deny that their view was not based in their Christian beliefs. However, it was their own interpretation of their faith and how they, personally, acted on it in the face of their fellow Christians that marks them out don't you think? During the same period Cromwell brutalised the Catholics in Ireland. It takes good men, regardless of religion. Which was my point - who cares what they say? I'm more concerned with what they do. " And that's my point to because not only did they say that because all are equal in the site of God all should be equal in the eyes of the law, they actually took action to create a society which, sometimes too slowly but always steadily, has been heading more and more in that direction over the last 400 years. | |||
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"Let's not make this a negative thread though. Just please pass on the link to this thread as a challenge when there is a refusal to look at another perspective. That goes for either side of any argument." Try it. https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/706879 | |||
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Easter is a bit more complicated beyond acknowledging the opportunity for rebirth as something better... | |||
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"JimUK Let's not make this a negative thread though. Just please pass on the link to this thread as a challenge when there is a refusal to look at another perspective. That goes for either side of any argument. Try it. https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/706879" You think I haven't looked at life from a pro-Christian Bias? I grew up in this country, went to a church controlled school in this country, attended church, etc etc. It was only when I grew up and started to challenge that I formed my current view on religions. My conclusion remains similar to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ2LehsA1dk | |||
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"There’s now two (or three) debates being had and one doesn’t prove the others 1) does god exist 2) did Jesus preach equality 3) how well did Christians (or more precisely the Christian power eg Church) put this into practice. Even if self proclaimed christians in power failed to apply the teachings this doesn’t really undermine 1 or 2. After all MPs often act in self interests even though though will say they stand by democracy. Doesn’t mean democracy is wrong. Just people, and people in power in particular, often fail to act in the right way ... throw in some of the forums favourite cognitive bias and you suddenly have them acting against their self proclaimed beliefs yet doing so in the name of said belief. " To expand on your points: 1) The burden of proof is on (s)he who makes the assertion, and there is about as much proof of a god as there is of a unicorn that lives at the bottom of my garden called Gerald. This, is why it is called a "leap" of faith. You have to suspend critical thought to get into heaven, dontchaknow. 2)According to the New Testament (King James Edition), sometimes he did, sometimes he didn't ("give unto Caesar what is Caesars" "the poor are always with us" etc). However, it is well known that the KJ translation of the bible is loaded with inaccuracies and misinterpretations, so it is possibly useless as a guide to the word of Jesus. 3)Religions are political organisations - the various christian sects; or "churches" are how they manifest within christianity. Their purpose is the same as any other political organisation, to gain power and influence to impose their worldview. If you go to a particular church, then you are complicit in this, just like if you join a particular political party. | |||
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"Going back to the OP, I think there is a lot to be proud of from the UKs Christian heritage. Also a lot to be ashamed of. With the the religious tensions in the world as they are there would have been no harm in acknowledging that the other faiths and philosophies represented here should also look to their achievements for good whilst meditating on their capacities for bad. So I don't endorse sidelining the Christian heritage. I'd also be inclined to embrace Christmas as a festival that can unite all faiths which without being Christian can understand its celebration of peace and family and accept it as a part of the culture they have joined. I still think that Joseph was the real hero though. There's a story of love and tolerance if ever I heard one
Easter is a bit more complicated beyond acknowledging the opportunity for rebirth as something better..."Your right there about Joseph an a carpenter too big shout out to stepdads that are joiners too | |||
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"My point was more that many attack point 3 believing it answers point 1. The god delusion starts with this line of rhetoric (attacking the charity status of churches iirc). It’s a straw man if your looking to prove or disprove the existence of god. And while I agree some churches are politicised you may have to help me take the leap they all are. And even if they are it doesn’t make christainity bad ... but churches. (For the record I have conflict between my academia leanings as a mathematician and my faith. Unfortunately the more I look at either side the more conflicted I get. There is an element of faith in the scientific community to stand behind science. And the more we know the more we realise we don’t !)" I said the churches are political organs, not "are politicised" - They all serve as a public space where a higher representetive of the organisation (the priest, vicar, preacher, bishop etc) seeks to influence the way that their followers lead their day to day lives. Some choose to get involved with "party" politics, others do not, but they are all political organs because they seek to control. | |||
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"JimUK Let's not make this a negative thread though. Just please pass on the link to this thread as a challenge when there is a refusal to look at another perspective. That goes for either side of any argument. Try it. https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/706879 You think I haven't looked at life from a pro-Christian Bias? I grew up in this country, went to a church controlled school in this country, attended church, etc etc. It was only when I grew up and started to challenge that I formed my current view on religions. My conclusion remains similar to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ2LehsA1dk" The fact that you previously believed something when you were too young to think it through for yourself, then later chose to believe something else does exclude you from the possibility of being biased now. The chances are that if you genuinely can't see any good in something it's probably because you have a strong bias against everything that that things stands for and, as such, are unable to see any good either in it or coming from it. | |||
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