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"Independence is still illegal without a change to the Spanish constitution. " And Catalonia would also then be out of the EU and would need to apply independently. | |||
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"Independence is still illegal without a change to the Spanish constitution. And Catalonia would also then be out of the EU and would need to apply independently." Will there be a hard border? | |||
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"Independence is still illegal without a change to the Spanish constitution. And Catalonia would also then be out of the EU and would need to apply independently. Will there be a hard border? " Yes probably - the same as the hard border between Spain & Gibraltar | |||
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"Interesting developments here, the people speak again . Obviously the Spainish goverment need to Start some serious dialogue. Bet the Brussels demigods are choking on their coffee and croisant! What with the thorny Polish issue and Hungary!" The UK obviously doesn't find Poland such a thorny issue, we just signed a new bilateral defence agreement with them. We often hear the shrill shrieks of "EU Army!" yet not a peep out of a single brexiter on here about the UK/Poland deal. Why is that? | |||
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"Interesting developments here, the people speak again . Obviously the Spainish goverment need to Start some serious dialogue. Bet the Brussels demigods are choking on their coffee and croisant! What with the thorny Polish issue and Hungary! The UK obviously doesn't find Poland such a thorny issue, we just signed a new bilateral defence agreement with them. We often hear the shrill shrieks of "EU Army!" yet not a peep out of a single brexiter on here about the UK/Poland deal. Why is that? " OK that's good then, Britain have close ties to Poland, didn't know about that deal but I guess not a bad thing, are Poland in NATO? An EU army well that's a decision the EU need to develop, by all accounts it's happening isn't it, all good there then. I guess the UK won't be signing up for it as won't be in the EU but then again there may be some small print as a supporting role. That's open to negotiation. | |||
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"Interesting developments here, the people speak again . Obviously the Spainish goverment need to Start some serious dialogue. Bet the Brussels demigods are choking on their coffee and croisant! What with the thorny Polish issue and Hungary! The UK obviously doesn't find Poland such a thorny issue, we just signed a new bilateral defence agreement with them. We often hear the shrill shrieks of "EU Army!" yet not a peep out of a single brexiter on here about the UK/Poland deal. Why is that? " Probably because it's two entirely different issues not remotely on the same level of discussion - I can see that and I'm a Brexit neutral | |||
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"Simple really now a legally binding referendum on independence must take place or allow Catalonia to break free from Spain All the pro indy majority have to do is go into parliament in Catalonia and call for a binding referendum and vote it through and it would be very unwise for Rajoy minority government to ignore the people since that fanny called for the election Yes i know unionists got the popular vote but here is the thing they cant form a coalition government well the could but they have to hope one or two pro indy parties dont form a coalition So it will be interesting to see if Rajoy resigns or try to ignore the election that he called for therefore being anti democratic but hey we all know how it works what dictators they want to hold on to power to screw the people" There wasn't a majority though...they just got more seat when all the parties are put together...the Pro Spain group won the popular vote  | |||
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"Simple really now a legally binding referendum on independence must take place or allow Catalonia to break free from Spain All the pro indy majority have to do is go into parliament in Catalonia and call for a binding referendum and vote it through and it would be very unwise for Rajoy minority government to ignore the people since that fanny called for the election Yes i know unionists got the popular vote but here is the thing they cant form a coalition government well the could but they have to hope one or two pro indy parties dont form a coalition So it will be interesting to see if Rajoy resigns or try to ignore the election that he called for therefore being anti democratic but hey we all know how it works what dictators they want to hold on to power to screw the people There wasn't a majority though...they just got more seat when all the parties are put together...the Pro Spain group won the popular vote "Ok lets try this then In the Catalan parliament if there was a vote to have a legally binding referendum and all the pro indy bloc vote Yes can the unionists stop that vote from being passed ? Am curious how would you solve this ? I've named two ways i think either Rajoy resigns for his fuck up or he allows a binding referendum on Catalan independence to go ahead He would be a fucking joke to ignore the election he called for just cause he didnt like that way it went Like i said yes unionists may have got the popular vote but if the Pro indy bloc of parites form a coalition government they unionists cant do fuck all about it Am enjoying seeing Rajoy fuck up the more mistakes he makes the more it will help Catalonia be free of Spains dictatorship in Madrid | |||
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"Simple really now a legally binding referendum on independence must take place or allow Catalonia to break free from Spain All the pro indy majority have to do is go into parliament in Catalonia and call for a binding referendum and vote it through and it would be very unwise for Rajoy minority government to ignore the people since that fanny called for the election Yes i know unionists got the popular vote but here is the thing they cant form a coalition government well the could but they have to hope one or two pro indy parties dont form a coalition So it will be interesting to see if Rajoy resigns or try to ignore the election that he called for therefore being anti democratic but hey we all know how it works what dictators they want to hold on to power to screw the people There wasn't a majority though...they just got more seat when all the parties are put together...the Pro Spain group won the popular vote
Ok lets try this then
In the Catalan parliament if there was a vote to have a legally binding referendum and all the pro indy bloc vote Yes can the unionists stop that vote from being passed ?
Am curious how would you solve this ?
I've named two ways i think either Rajoy resigns for his fuck up or he allows a binding referendum on Catalan independence to go ahead
He would be a fucking joke to ignore the election he called for just cause he didnt like that way it went
Like i said yes unionists may have got the popular vote but if the Pro indy bloc of parites form a coalition government they unionists cant do fuck all about it
Am enjoying seeing Rajoy fuck up the more mistakes he makes the more it will help Catalonia be free of Spains dictatorship in Madrid "Its the same way as your arguing that the conservatives aren't...if you accept the Catalonia vote...then YOU must accept the UK vote...can you see how twisted your theory is | |||
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"Simple really now a legally binding referendum on independence must take place or allow Catalonia to break free from Spain All the pro indy majority have to do is go into parliament in Catalonia and call for a binding referendum and vote it through and it would be very unwise for Rajoy minority government to ignore the people since that fanny called for the election Yes i know unionists got the popular vote but here is the thing they cant form a coalition government well the could but they have to hope one or two pro indy parties dont form a coalition So it will be interesting to see if Rajoy resigns or try to ignore the election that he called for therefore being anti democratic but hey we all know how it works what dictators they want to hold on to power to screw the people There wasn't a majority though...they just got more seat when all the parties are put together...the Pro Spain group won the popular vote
Ok lets try this then
In the Catalan parliament if there was a vote to have a legally binding referendum and all the pro indy bloc vote Yes can the unionists stop that vote from being passed ?
Am curious how would you solve this ?
I've named two ways i think either Rajoy resigns for his fuck up or he allows a binding referendum on Catalan independence to go ahead
He would be a fucking joke to ignore the election he called for just cause he didnt like that way it went
Like i said yes unionists may have got the popular vote but if the Pro indy bloc of parites form a coalition government they unionists cant do fuck all about it
Am enjoying seeing Rajoy fuck up the more mistakes he makes the more it will help Catalonia be free of Spains dictatorship in Madrid
Its the same way as your arguing that the conservatives aren't...if you accept the Catalonia vote...then YOU must accept the UK vote...can you see how twisted your theory is "Am curious how would you solve this ? | |||
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"Simple really now a legally binding referendum on independence must take place or allow Catalonia to break free from Spain All the pro indy majority have to do is go into parliament in Catalonia and call for a binding referendum and vote it through and it would be very unwise for Rajoy minority government to ignore the people since that fanny called for the election Yes i know unionists got the popular vote but here is the thing they cant form a coalition government well the could but they have to hope one or two pro indy parties dont form a coalition So it will be interesting to see if Rajoy resigns or try to ignore the election that he called for therefore being anti democratic but hey we all know how it works what dictators they want to hold on to power to screw the people" That's against the Spanish constitution. Did you learn nothing from the last referendum?  | |||
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"Interesting developments here, the people speak again . Obviously the Spainish goverment need to Start some serious dialogue. Bet the Brussels demigods are choking on their coffee and croisant! What with the thorny Polish issue and Hungary! The UK obviously doesn't find Poland such a thorny issue, we just signed a new bilateral defence agreement with them. We often hear the shrill shrieks of "EU Army!" yet not a peep out of a single brexiter on here about the UK/Poland deal. Why is that? Probably because it's two entirely different issues not remotely on the same level of discussion - I can see that and I'm a Brexit neutral " What are 2 entirely different issues? | |||
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"Simple really now a legally binding referendum on independence must take place or allow Catalonia to break free from Spain All the pro indy majority have to do is go into parliament in Catalonia and call for a binding referendum and vote it through and it would be very unwise for Rajoy minority government to ignore the people since that fanny called for the election Yes i know unionists got the popular vote but here is the thing they cant form a coalition government well the could but they have to hope one or two pro indy parties dont form a coalition So it will be interesting to see if Rajoy resigns or try to ignore the election that he called for therefore being anti democratic but hey we all know how it works what dictators they want to hold on to power to screw the people That's against the Spanish constitution. Did you learn nothing from the last referendum? "Ok CLCC how would you like to see this solved then ? | |||
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"Interesting developments here, the people speak again . Obviously the Spainish goverment need to Start some serious dialogue. Bet the Brussels demigods are choking on their coffee and croisant! What with the thorny Polish issue and Hungary! The UK obviously doesn't find Poland such a thorny issue, we just signed a new bilateral defence agreement with them. We often hear the shrill shrieks of "EU Army!" yet not a peep out of a single brexiter on here about the UK/Poland deal. Why is that? Probably because it's two entirely different issues not remotely on the same level of discussion - I can see that and I'm a Brexit neutral What are 2 entirely different issues?" The 2 issues you are trying to compare | |||
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"Simple really now a legally binding referendum on independence must take place or allow Catalonia to break free from Spain All the pro indy majority have to do is go into parliament in Catalonia and call for a binding referendum and vote it through and it would be very unwise for Rajoy minority government to ignore the people since that fanny called for the election Yes i know unionists got the popular vote but here is the thing they cant form a coalition government well the could but they have to hope one or two pro indy parties dont form a coalition So it will be interesting to see if Rajoy resigns or try to ignore the election that he called for therefore being anti democratic but hey we all know how it works what dictators they want to hold on to power to screw the people That's against the Spanish constitution. Did you learn nothing from the last referendum?
Ok CLCC how would you like to see this solved then ?
"can i answer that question... they can go thru the proper legal process..... so can i ask you a question... would it be wise for pro-seperatist parties to go down that route as pro-unity parties won the actual popular vote | |||
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"Simple really now a legally binding referendum on independence must take place or allow Catalonia to break free from Spain All the pro indy majority have to do is go into parliament in Catalonia and call for a binding referendum and vote it through and it would be very unwise for Rajoy minority government to ignore the people since that fanny called for the election Yes i know unionists got the popular vote but here is the thing they cant form a coalition government well the could but they have to hope one or two pro indy parties dont form a coalition So it will be interesting to see if Rajoy resigns or try to ignore the election that he called for therefore being anti democratic but hey we all know how it works what dictators they want to hold on to power to screw the people There wasn't a majority though...they just got more seat when all the parties are put together...the Pro Spain group won the popular vote
Ok lets try this then
In the Catalan parliament if there was a vote to have a legally binding referendum and all the pro indy bloc vote Yes can the unionists stop that vote from being passed ?
Am curious how would you solve this ?
I've named two ways i think either Rajoy resigns for his fuck up or he allows a binding referendum on Catalan independence to go ahead
He would be a fucking joke to ignore the election he called for just cause he didnt like that way it went
Like i said yes unionists may have got the popular vote but if the Pro indy bloc of parites form a coalition government they unionists cant do fuck all about it
Am enjoying seeing Rajoy fuck up the more mistakes he makes the more it will help Catalonia be free of Spains dictatorship in Madrid
Its the same way as your arguing that the conservatives aren't...if you accept the Catalonia vote...then YOU must accept the UK vote...can you see how twisted your theory is
Am curious how would you solve this ?"Like another poster just said go down the legal route as Scotland did....and see what happens....i don't think they will though...as the MAJORITY in Catalonia voted pro unity . Now lets hear how you would solve it | |||
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"Simple really now a legally binding referendum on independence must take place or allow Catalonia to break free from Spain All the pro indy majority have to do is go into parliament in Catalonia and call for a binding referendum and vote it through and it would be very unwise for Rajoy minority government to ignore the people since that fanny called for the election Yes i know unionists got the popular vote but here is the thing they cant form a coalition government well the could but they have to hope one or two pro indy parties dont form a coalition So it will be interesting to see if Rajoy resigns or try to ignore the election that he called for therefore being anti democratic but hey we all know how it works what dictators they want to hold on to power to screw the people That's against the Spanish constitution. Did you learn nothing from the last referendum?
Ok CLCC how would you like to see this solved then ?
"There are 2 options, either maintain the status quo, or try to change the Spanish constitution. That will involve working with the national parties to allow the change in the national legislature. However, there hasn't been an overwhelming support for the independence movement, so it could be said that the need for constitutional reform has not yet been demonstrated. | |||
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"Interesting developments here, the people speak again . Obviously the Spainish goverment need to Start some serious dialogue. Bet the Brussels demigods are choking on their coffee and croisant! What with the thorny Polish issue and Hungary! The UK obviously doesn't find Poland such a thorny issue, we just signed a new bilateral defence agreement with them. We often hear the shrill shrieks of "EU Army!" yet not a peep out of a single brexiter on here about the UK/Poland deal. Why is that? Probably because it's two entirely different issues not remotely on the same level of discussion - I can see that and I'm a Brexit neutral What are 2 entirely different issues? The 2 issues you are trying to compare " What? The EU Army and bilateral/multilateral defence agreements? | |||
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"Interesting developments here, the people speak again . Obviously the Spainish goverment need to Start some serious dialogue. Bet the Brussels demigods are choking on their coffee and croisant! What with the thorny Polish issue and Hungary! The UK obviously doesn't find Poland such a thorny issue, we just signed a new bilateral defence agreement with them. We often hear the shrill shrieks of "EU Army!" yet not a peep out of a single brexiter on here about the UK/Poland deal. Why is that? Probably because it's two entirely different issues not remotely on the same level of discussion - I can see that and I'm a Brexit neutral What are 2 entirely different issues? The 2 issues you are trying to compare What? The EU Army and bilateral/multilateral defence agreements? " The EU's issues with Poland and Hungary have no relationship with the UK and an EU army | |||
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"Interesting developments here, the people speak again . Obviously the Spainish goverment need to Start some serious dialogue. Bet the Brussels demigods are choking on their coffee and croisant! What with the thorny Polish issue and Hungary! The UK obviously doesn't find Poland such a thorny issue, we just signed a new bilateral defence agreement with them. We often hear the shrill shrieks of "EU Army!" yet not a peep out of a single brexiter on here about the UK/Poland deal. Why is that? Probably because it's two entirely different issues not remotely on the same level of discussion - I can see that and I'm a Brexit neutral What are 2 entirely different issues? The 2 issues you are trying to compare What? The EU Army and bilateral/multilateral defence agreements? The EU's issues with Poland and Hungary have no relationship with the UK and an EU army" Well, we are still part of the EU. The EU is concerned about a decline of democracy in Poland and a rising autocracy. I'm saying that the UK is ignoring those issues and creating a closer relationship between our 2 countries. | |||
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"Interesting developments here, the people speak again . Obviously the Spainish goverment need to Start some serious dialogue. Bet the Brussels demigods are choking on their coffee and croisant! What with the thorny Polish issue and Hungary! The UK obviously doesn't find Poland such a thorny issue, we just signed a new bilateral defence agreement with them. We often hear the shrill shrieks of "EU Army!" yet not a peep out of a single brexiter on here about the UK/Poland deal. Why is that? Probably because it's two entirely different issues not remotely on the same level of discussion - I can see that and I'm a Brexit neutral What are 2 entirely different issues? The 2 issues you are trying to compare What? The EU Army and bilateral/multilateral defence agreements? The EU's issues with Poland and Hungary have no relationship with the UK and an EU army Well, we are still part of the EU. The EU is concerned about a decline of democracy in Poland and a rising autocracy. I'm saying that the UK is ignoring those issues and creating a closer relationship between our 2 countries. " Surely making a bilateral agreement with a country of your choice is not the same a 27 state EU army, or has any relevance with issues with Hungary or Poland? | |||
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"Interesting developments here, the people speak again . Obviously the Spainish goverment need to Start some serious dialogue. Bet the Brussels demigods are choking on their coffee and croisant! What with the thorny Polish issue and Hungary! The UK obviously doesn't find Poland such a thorny issue, we just signed a new bilateral defence agreement with them. We often hear the shrill shrieks of "EU Army!" yet not a peep out of a single brexiter on here about the UK/Poland deal. Why is that? Probably because it's two entirely different issues not remotely on the same level of discussion - I can see that and I'm a Brexit neutral What are 2 entirely different issues? The 2 issues you are trying to compare What? The EU Army and bilateral/multilateral defence agreements? The EU's issues with Poland and Hungary have no relationship with the UK and an EU army Well, we are still part of the EU. The EU is concerned about a decline of democracy in Poland and a rising autocracy. I'm saying that the UK is ignoring those issues and creating a closer relationship between our 2 countries. Surely making a bilateral agreement with a country of your choice is not the same a 27 state EU army, or has any relevance with issues with Hungary or Poland? " Of course it is relevant that on the one hand a country is being censured for a lack of democracy on the same day that the UK signs a defence agreement with them. | |||
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"Simple really now a legally binding referendum on independence must take place or allow Catalonia to break free from Spain All the pro indy majority have to do is go into parliament in Catalonia and call for a binding referendum and vote it through and it would be very unwise for Rajoy minority government to ignore the people since that fanny called for the election Yes i know unionists got the popular vote but here is the thing they cant form a coalition government well the could but they have to hope one or two pro indy parties dont form a coalition So it will be interesting to see if Rajoy resigns or try to ignore the election that he called for therefore being anti democratic but hey we all know how it works what dictators they want to hold on to power to screw the people There wasn't a majority though...they just got more seat when all the parties are put together...the Pro Spain group won the popular vote
Ok lets try this then
In the Catalan parliament if there was a vote to have a legally binding referendum and all the pro indy bloc vote Yes can the unionists stop that vote from being passed ?
Am curious how would you solve this ?
I've named two ways i think either Rajoy resigns for his fuck up or he allows a binding referendum on Catalan independence to go ahead
He would be a fucking joke to ignore the election he called for just cause he didnt like that way it went
Like i said yes unionists may have got the popular vote but if the Pro indy bloc of parites form a coalition government they unionists cant do fuck all about it
Am enjoying seeing Rajoy fuck up the more mistakes he makes the more it will help Catalonia be free of Spains dictatorship in Madrid "It's inevitable now that the pro Independence parties will form a majority coalition in the Catalan Parliament. The make up of seats after yesterday's election is as follows.... Pro independence seats = 70 Pro unionist seats = 65 | |||
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"Simple really now a legally binding referendum on independence must take place or allow Catalonia to break free from Spain All the pro indy majority have to do is go into parliament in Catalonia and call for a binding referendum and vote it through and it would be very unwise for Rajoy minority government to ignore the people since that fanny called for the election Yes i know unionists got the popular vote but here is the thing they cant form a coalition government well the could but they have to hope one or two pro indy parties dont form a coalition So it will be interesting to see if Rajoy resigns or try to ignore the election that he called for therefore being anti democratic but hey we all know how it works what dictators they want to hold on to power to screw the people There wasn't a majority though...they just got more seat when all the parties are put together...the Pro Spain group won the popular vote
Ok lets try this then
In the Catalan parliament if there was a vote to have a legally binding referendum and all the pro indy bloc vote Yes can the unionists stop that vote from being passed ?
Am curious how would you solve this ?
I've named two ways i think either Rajoy resigns for his fuck up or he allows a binding referendum on Catalan independence to go ahead
He would be a fucking joke to ignore the election he called for just cause he didnt like that way it went
Like i said yes unionists may have got the popular vote but if the Pro indy bloc of parites form a coalition government they unionists cant do fuck all about it
Am enjoying seeing Rajoy fuck up the more mistakes he makes the more it will help Catalonia be free of Spains dictatorship in Madrid
It's inevitable now that the pro Independence parties will form a majority coalition in the Catalan Parliament. The make up of seats after yesterday's election is as follows....
Pro independence seats = 70
Pro unionist seats = 65
"Pro Unionists 52% of the vote...remind you of anything....or dosent it fit your agenda yet again  | |||
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"Simple really now a legally binding referendum on independence must take place or allow Catalonia to break free from Spain All the pro indy majority have to do is go into parliament in Catalonia and call for a binding referendum and vote it through and it would be very unwise for Rajoy minority government to ignore the people since that fanny called for the election Yes i know unionists got the popular vote but here is the thing they cant form a coalition government well the could but they have to hope one or two pro indy parties dont form a coalition So it will be interesting to see if Rajoy resigns or try to ignore the election that he called for therefore being anti democratic but hey we all know how it works what dictators they want to hold on to power to screw the people There wasn't a majority though...they just got more seat when all the parties are put together...the Pro Spain group won the popular vote
Ok lets try this then
In the Catalan parliament if there was a vote to have a legally binding referendum and all the pro indy bloc vote Yes can the unionists stop that vote from being passed ?
Am curious how would you solve this ?
I've named two ways i think either Rajoy resigns for his fuck up or he allows a binding referendum on Catalan independence to go ahead
He would be a fucking joke to ignore the election he called for just cause he didnt like that way it went
Like i said yes unionists may have got the popular vote but if the Pro indy bloc of parites form a coalition government they unionists cant do fuck all about it
Am enjoying seeing Rajoy fuck up the more mistakes he makes the more it will help Catalonia be free of Spains dictatorship in Madrid
It's inevitable now that the pro Independence parties will form a majority coalition in the Catalan Parliament. The make up of seats after yesterday's election is as follows....
Pro independence seats = 70
Pro unionist seats = 65
Pro Unionists 52% of the vote...remind you of anything....or dosent it fit your agenda yet again "Yesterday's vote wasn't a referendum. Yesterday's vote was to determine the make up of the Catalan Parliament in which Pro independence parties won the majority number of seats. | |||
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"Simple really now a legally binding referendum on independence must take place or allow Catalonia to break free from Spain All the pro indy majority have to do is go into parliament in Catalonia and call for a binding referendum and vote it through and it would be very unwise for Rajoy minority government to ignore the people since that fanny called for the election Yes i know unionists got the popular vote but here is the thing they cant form a coalition government well the could but they have to hope one or two pro indy parties dont form a coalition So it will be interesting to see if Rajoy resigns or try to ignore the election that he called for therefore being anti democratic but hey we all know how it works what dictators they want to hold on to power to screw the people There wasn't a majority though...they just got more seat when all the parties are put together...the Pro Spain group won the popular vote
Ok lets try this then
In the Catalan parliament if there was a vote to have a legally binding referendum and all the pro indy bloc vote Yes can the unionists stop that vote from being passed ?
Am curious how would you solve this ?
I've named two ways i think either Rajoy resigns for his fuck up or he allows a binding referendum on Catalan independence to go ahead
He would be a fucking joke to ignore the election he called for just cause he didnt like that way it went
Like i said yes unionists may have got the popular vote but if the Pro indy bloc of parites form a coalition government they unionists cant do fuck all about it
Am enjoying seeing Rajoy fuck up the more mistakes he makes the more it will help Catalonia be free of Spains dictatorship in Madrid
It's inevitable now that the pro Independence parties will form a majority coalition in the Catalan Parliament. The make up of seats after yesterday's election is as follows....
Pro independence seats = 70
Pro unionist seats = 65
Pro Unionists 52% of the vote...remind you of anything....or dosent it fit your agenda yet again "Xavier Cuadras-Morató is an associate professor of economics at Universitat Pompeu Fabra in Barcelona, and writes The three pro-independence parties won 47.5%..... the pro-unionists 43.4%.... Support for a third option— (the non-aligned Catcomu) —7.4%. | |||
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"Interesting developments here, the people speak again . Obviously the Spainish goverment need to Start some serious dialogue. Bet the Brussels demigods are choking on their coffee and croisant! What with the thorny Polish issue and Hungary! The UK obviously doesn't find Poland such a thorny issue, we just signed a new bilateral defence agreement with them. We often hear the shrill shrieks of "EU Army!" yet not a peep out of a single brexiter on here about the UK/Poland deal. Why is that? Probably because it's two entirely different issues not remotely on the same level of discussion - I can see that and I'm a Brexit neutral What are 2 entirely different issues? The 2 issues you are trying to compare What? The EU Army and bilateral/multilateral defence agreements? The EU's issues with Poland and Hungary have no relationship with the UK and an EU army Well, we are still part of the EU. The EU is concerned about a decline of democracy in Poland and a rising autocracy. I'm saying that the UK is ignoring those issues and creating a closer relationship between our 2 countries. Surely making a bilateral agreement with a country of your choice is not the same a 27 state EU army, or has any relevance with issues with Hungary or Poland? Of course it is relevant that on the one hand a country is being censured for a lack of democracy on the same day that the UK signs a defence agreement with them. " So none of this has any connection to the EU army then? | |||
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"Interesting developments here, the people speak again . Obviously the Spainish goverment need to Start some serious dialogue. Bet the Brussels demigods are choking on their coffee and croisant! What with the thorny Polish issue and Hungary! The UK obviously doesn't find Poland such a thorny issue, we just signed a new bilateral defence agreement with them. We often hear the shrill shrieks of "EU Army!" yet not a peep out of a single brexiter on here about the UK/Poland deal. Why is that? Probably because it's two entirely different issues not remotely on the same level of discussion - I can see that and I'm a Brexit neutral What are 2 entirely different issues? The 2 issues you are trying to compare What? The EU Army and bilateral/multilateral defence agreements? The EU's issues with Poland and Hungary have no relationship with the UK and an EU army Well, we are still part of the EU. The EU is concerned about a decline of democracy in Poland and a rising autocracy. I'm saying that the UK is ignoring those issues and creating a closer relationship between our 2 countries. Surely making a bilateral agreement with a country of your choice is not the same a 27 state EU army, or has any relevance with issues with Hungary or Poland? Of course it is relevant that on the one hand a country is being censured for a lack of democracy on the same day that the UK signs a defence agreement with them. So none of this has any connection to the EU army then? " The UK has bilateral and multilateral defence agreements with many countries, including many countries in Europe and the EU. One of these was signed this week with Poland. These are agreements which are already in effect and working. The people who complain about a potential EU Army sometime in the future never seem to mention the defence agreements that are already in place today, often featuring the very same countries. Why are they so scared of potential defence cooperation framework in the future, but completely silent on the ones we already have, such as the one signed this week? | |||
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"Simple really now a legally binding referendum on independence must take place or allow Catalonia to break free from Spain All the pro indy majority have to do is go into parliament in Catalonia and call for a binding referendum and vote it through and it would be very unwise for Rajoy minority government to ignore the people since that fanny called for the election Yes i know unionists got the popular vote but here is the thing they cant form a coalition government well the could but they have to hope one or two pro indy parties dont form a coalition So it will be interesting to see if Rajoy resigns or try to ignore the election that he called for therefore being anti democratic but hey we all know how it works what dictators they want to hold on to power to screw the people There wasn't a majority though...they just got more seat when all the parties are put together...the Pro Spain group won the popular vote
Ok lets try this then
In the Catalan parliament if there was a vote to have a legally binding referendum and all the pro indy bloc vote Yes can the unionists stop that vote from being passed ?
Am curious how would you solve this ?
I've named two ways i think either Rajoy resigns for his fuck up or he allows a binding referendum on Catalan independence to go ahead
He would be a fucking joke to ignore the election he called for just cause he didnt like that way it went
Like i said yes unionists may have got the popular vote but if the Pro indy bloc of parites form a coalition government they unionists cant do fuck all about it
Am enjoying seeing Rajoy fuck up the more mistakes he makes the more it will help Catalonia be free of Spains dictatorship in Madrid
It's inevitable now that the pro Independence parties will form a majority coalition in the Catalan Parliament. The make up of seats after yesterday's election is as follows....
Pro independence seats = 70
Pro unionist seats = 65
Pro Unionists 52% of the vote...remind you of anything....or dosent it fit your agenda yet again
Xavier Cuadras-Morató is an associate professor of economics at Universitat Pompeu Fabra in Barcelona, and writes
The three pro-independence parties won 47.5%.....
the pro-unionists 43.4%....
Support for a third option— (the non-aligned Catcomu) —7.4%."Your figures are wrong..id suggest you look again https://www.politico.eu/article/catalonia-election-results-2017-live-independence-spain/ | |||
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"Simple really now a legally binding referendum on independence must take place or allow Catalonia to break free from Spain All the pro indy majority have to do is go into parliament in Catalonia and call for a binding referendum and vote it through and it would be very unwise for Rajoy minority government to ignore the people since that fanny called for the election Yes i know unionists got the popular vote but here is the thing they cant form a coalition government well the could but they have to hope one or two pro indy parties dont form a coalition So it will be interesting to see if Rajoy resigns or try to ignore the election that he called for therefore being anti democratic but hey we all know how it works what dictators they want to hold on to power to screw the people There wasn't a majority though...they just got more seat when all the parties are put together...the Pro Spain group won the popular vote
Ok lets try this then
In the Catalan parliament if there was a vote to have a legally binding referendum and all the pro indy bloc vote Yes can the unionists stop that vote from being passed ?
Am curious how would you solve this ?
I've named two ways i think either Rajoy resigns for his fuck up or he allows a binding referendum on Catalan independence to go ahead
He would be a fucking joke to ignore the election he called for just cause he didnt like that way it went
Like i said yes unionists may have got the popular vote but if the Pro indy bloc of parites form a coalition government they unionists cant do fuck all about it
Am enjoying seeing Rajoy fuck up the more mistakes he makes the more it will help Catalonia be free of Spains dictatorship in Madrid
It's inevitable now that the pro Independence parties will form a majority coalition in the Catalan Parliament. The make up of seats after yesterday's election is as follows....
Pro independence seats = 70
Pro unionist seats = 65
Pro Unionists 52% of the vote...remind you of anything....or dosent it fit your agenda yet again
Xavier Cuadras-Morató is an associate professor of economics at Universitat Pompeu Fabra in Barcelona, and writes
The three pro-independence parties won 47.5%.....
the pro-unionists 43.4%....
Support for a third option— (the non-aligned Catcomu) —7.4%.
Your figures are wrong..id suggest you look again
https://www.politico.eu/article/catalonia-election-results-2017-live-independence-spain/ "Yep, on the second chart of the link you quote. Pro independence. 47.5% Against independence. 43.4% Others . The rest. On the link that you quote! | |||
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"Without a change in the constitution, it doesn't matter how many seats the independence movement get. " How many times has this been requested by the pro indy side ? And how many times have the Spanish government said no or ignored it ? I suppose thats the answer for some on here is in Catalonia the people are electing a strong bloc of pro indy parties into government either be a single party or coalition and Spains government ignore it hoping it will all go away nah not this time round They will have to do something Either that dictator Rajoy resigns ir he actually grows a pair and allows a binding referendum in Catalan independence but the unionists cant stick the fingers in the ears hoping it will all go away Rajoy just like May fucked uo and have to respest the election result I mean CLCC the way it comes across when tou say " it doesnt matter how many seats the independence movement get " that you dont care about the fact the people are trying to change things but being ignored but a awful dictatorship that is Rajoys government | |||
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"Without a change in the constitution, it doesn't matter how many seats the independence movement get. How many times has this been requested by the pro indy side ? And how many times have the Spanish government said no or ignored it ? I suppose thats the answer for some on here is in Catalonia the people are electing a strong bloc of pro indy parties into government either be a single party or coalition and Spains government ignore it hoping it will all go away nah not this time round They will have to do something Either that dictator Rajoy resigns ir he actually grows a pair and allows a binding referendum in Catalan independence but the unionists cant stick the fingers in the ears hoping it will all go away Rajoy just like May fucked uo and have to respest the election result I mean CLCC the way it comes across when tou say " it doesnt matter how many seats the independence movement get " that you dont care about the fact the people are trying to change things but being ignored but a awful dictatorship that is Rajoys government " Rajoy can't do anything without changing the constitution either. | |||
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"Without a change in the constitution, it doesn't matter how many seats the independence movement get. How many times has this been requested by the pro indy side ? And how many times have the Spanish government said no or ignored it ? I suppose thats the answer for some on here is in Catalonia the people are electing a strong bloc of pro indy parties into government either be a single party or coalition and Spains government ignore it hoping it will all go away nah not this time round They will have to do something Either that dictator Rajoy resigns ir he actually grows a pair and allows a binding referendum in Catalan independence but the unionists cant stick the fingers in the ears hoping it will all go away Rajoy just like May fucked uo and have to respest the election result I mean CLCC the way it comes across when tou say " it doesnt matter how many seats the independence movement get " that you dont care about the fact the people are trying to change things but being ignored but a awful dictatorship that is Rajoys government Rajoy can't do anything without changing the constitution either. " Ok CLCC so if changing the contitution keeps getting ignored which it has over years you cant deny that so tell me how does one change the contitution if one side are not willing to come to the table and listen ? The people have pretty much told Rajoy they want change and elected a pro indy majority bloc in the Catalan pariament wven you can work out that the unionists parties can not form a coalition government with 65 seats out of 130 and the pro indy side have 70 seats Something has to give and the unionists are going to have to admit defeat and do something yea you may argue all you like the unionists got 52% of the popular vote but they cannot get into government with less seats than all the pro indy side I think everyone can work out a way to solve this is to have a binding referendum and for both yes and no sides to put there points across to break away from Spain or remain part of Spain and then let the people of Catalonia decide their own future | |||
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"Without a change in the constitution, it doesn't matter how many seats the independence movement get. How many times has this been requested by the pro indy side ? And how many times have the Spanish government said no or ignored it ? I suppose thats the answer for some on here is in Catalonia the people are electing a strong bloc of pro indy parties into government either be a single party or coalition and Spains government ignore it hoping it will all go away nah not this time round They will have to do something Either that dictator Rajoy resigns ir he actually grows a pair and allows a binding referendum in Catalan independence but the unionists cant stick the fingers in the ears hoping it will all go away Rajoy just like May fucked uo and have to respest the election result I mean CLCC the way it comes across when tou say " it doesnt matter how many seats the independence movement get " that you dont care about the fact the people are trying to change things but being ignored but a awful dictatorship that is Rajoys government Rajoy can't do anything without changing the constitution either. Ok CLCC so if changing the contitution keeps getting ignored which it has over years you cant deny that so tell me how does one change the contitution if one side are not willing to come to the table and listen ? The people have pretty much told Rajoy they want change and elected a pro indy majority bloc in the Catalan pariament wven you can work out that the unionists parties can not form a coalition government with 65 seats out of 130 and the pro indy side have 70 seats Something has to give and the unionists are going to have to admit defeat and do something yea you may argue all you like the unionists got 52% of the popular vote but they cannot get into government with less seats than all the pro indy side I think everyone can work out a way to solve this is to have a binding referendum and for both yes and no sides to put there points across to break away from Spain or remain part of Spain and then let the people of Catalonia decide their own future " You are getting confused between a regional legislature and the national legislature. Only the national legislature can change the constitution. It's very similar to the UK. | |||
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"(In a David Attenborough whisper) And here we see kinky in their natural environment, carefully stalking the politics forum for any threads they can link to Scottish independence. Kinky has just displayed their classic bait-and-switch behaviour in response to a post they can't answer from another poster. They quickly change the subject an hope the other posters won't notice. The rare Kinky bird is known around the world for their ability to entirely ignore legal facts and constitutional certainties, allowing them to live in and environment of their own cognitive creation. (Merry Christmas Kinky )"That,s the most ironic post coming from someone who hasn’t answered anyone’s questions,all the best  | |||
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"(In a David Attenborough whisper) And here we see kinky in their natural environment, carefully stalking the politics forum for any threads they can link to Scottish independence. Kinky has just displayed their classic bait-and-switch behaviour in response to a post they can't answer from another poster. They quickly change the subject an hope the other posters won't notice. The rare Kinky bird is known around the world for their ability to entirely ignore legal facts and constitutional certainties, allowing them to live in and environment of their own cognitive creation. (Merry Christmas Kinky )That,s the most ironic post coming from someone who hasn’t answered anyone’s questions,all the best "Like when? I do seem to remember you never answering the question about why you never reported a supposedly fake doctor working in a hospital.... | |||
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"(In a David Attenborough whisper) And here we see kinky in their natural environment, carefully stalking the politics forum for any threads they can link to Scottish independence. Kinky has just displayed their classic bait-and-switch behaviour in response to a post they can't answer from another poster. They quickly change the subject an hope the other posters won't notice. The rare Kinky bird is known around the world for their ability to entirely ignore legal facts and constitutional certainties, allowing them to live in and environment of their own cognitive creation. (Merry Christmas Kinky )That,s the most ironic post coming from someone who hasn’t answered anyone’s questions,all the best
Like when? I do seem to remember you never answering the question about why you never reported a supposedly fake doctor working in a hospital.... "Another question from you ha ha | |||
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"(In a David Attenborough whisper) And here we see kinky in their natural environment, carefully stalking the politics forum for any threads they can link to Scottish independence. Kinky has just displayed their classic bait-and-switch behaviour in response to a post they can't answer from another poster. They quickly change the subject an hope the other posters won't notice. The rare Kinky bird is known around the world for their ability to entirely ignore legal facts and constitutional certainties, allowing them to live in and environment of their own cognitive creation. (Merry Christmas Kinky )That,s the most ironic post coming from someone who hasn’t answered anyone’s questions,all the best
Like when? I do seem to remember you never answering the question about why you never reported a supposedly fake doctor working in a hospital.... Another question from you ha ha "You didn't ask a question for me to answer, and you didn't answer my question. | |||
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"(In a David Attenborough whisper) And here we see kinky in their natural environment, carefully stalking the politics forum for any threads they can link to Scottish independence. Kinky has just displayed their classic bait-and-switch behaviour in response to a post they can't answer from another poster. They quickly change the subject an hope the other posters won't notice. The rare Kinky bird is known around the world for their ability to entirely ignore legal facts and constitutional certainties, allowing them to live in and environment of their own cognitive creation. (Merry Christmas Kinky )That,s the most ironic post coming from someone who hasn’t answered anyone’s questions,all the best
Like when? I do seem to remember you never answering the question about why you never reported a supposedly fake doctor working in a hospital.... Another question from you ha ha
You didn't ask a question for me to answer, and you didn't answer my question. ". I,m not asking you a question because i know you won’t answer it,just making a statement  | |||
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"(In a David Attenborough whisper) And here we see kinky in their natural environment, carefully stalking the politics forum for any threads they can link to Scottish independence. Kinky has just displayed their classic bait-and-switch behaviour in response to a post they can't answer from another poster. They quickly change the subject an hope the other posters won't notice. The rare Kinky bird is known around the world for their ability to entirely ignore legal facts and constitutional certainties, allowing them to live in and environment of their own cognitive creation. (Merry Christmas Kinky )That,s the most ironic post coming from someone who hasn’t answered anyone’s questions,all the best
Like when? I do seem to remember you never answering the question about why you never reported a supposedly fake doctor working in a hospital.... Another question from you ha ha
You didn't ask a question for me to answer, and you didn't answer my question. . I,m not asking you a question because i know you won’t answer it,just making a statement "A statement that you couldn't back up, like your lies about a fake doctor | |||
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"(In a David Attenborough whisper) And here we see kinky in their natural environment, carefully stalking the politics forum for any threads they can link to Scottish independence. Kinky has just displayed their classic bait-and-switch behaviour in response to a post they can't answer from another poster. They quickly change the subject an hope the other posters won't notice. The rare Kinky bird is known around the world for their ability to entirely ignore legal facts and constitutional certainties, allowing them to live in and environment of their own cognitive creation. (Merry Christmas Kinky )That,s the most ironic post coming from someone who hasn’t answered anyone’s questions,all the best
Like when? I do seem to remember you never answering the question about why you never reported a supposedly fake doctor working in a hospital.... Another question from you ha ha
You didn't ask a question for me to answer, and you didn't answer my question. . I,m not asking you a question because i know you won’t answer it,just making a statement
A statement that you couldn't back up, like your lies about a fake doctor "Yawn,i have told you my reasons for not reporting him,nearly two years down the line after nine strokes and now being partially sighted,why would i want to upset the people looking after me. | |||
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"(In a David Attenborough whisper) And here we see kinky in their natural environment, carefully stalking the politics forum for any threads they can link to Scottish independence. Kinky has just displayed their classic bait-and-switch behaviour in response to a post they can't answer from another poster. They quickly change the subject an hope the other posters won't notice. The rare Kinky bird is known around the world for their ability to entirely ignore legal facts and constitutional certainties, allowing them to live in and environment of their own cognitive creation. (Merry Christmas Kinky )That,s the most ironic post coming from someone who hasn’t answered anyone’s questions,all the best
Like when? I do seem to remember you never answering the question about why you never reported a supposedly fake doctor working in a hospital.... Another question from you ha ha
You didn't ask a question for me to answer, and you didn't answer my question. . I,m not asking you a question because i know you won’t answer it,just making a statement
A statement that you couldn't back up, like your lies about a fake doctor Yawn,i have told you my reasons for not reporting him,nearly two years down the line after nine strokes and now being partially sighted,why would i want to upset the people looking after me."Yeah, of course, it makes total sense to let someone unqualified practice medicine | |||
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"(In a David Attenborough whisper) And here we see kinky in their natural environment, carefully stalking the politics forum for any threads they can link to Scottish independence. Kinky has just displayed their classic bait-and-switch behaviour in response to a post they can't answer from another poster. They quickly change the subject an hope the other posters won't notice. The rare Kinky bird is known around the world for their ability to entirely ignore legal facts and constitutional certainties, allowing them to live in and environment of their own cognitive creation. (Merry Christmas Kinky )That,s the most ironic post coming from someone who hasn’t answered anyone’s questions,all the best
Like when? I do seem to remember you never answering the question about why you never reported a supposedly fake doctor working in a hospital.... Another question from you ha ha
You didn't ask a question for me to answer, and you didn't answer my question. . I,m not asking you a question because i know you won’t answer it,just making a statement
A statement that you couldn't back up, like your lies about a fake doctor Yawn,i have told you my reasons for not reporting him,nearly two years down the line after nine strokes and now being partially sighted,why would i want to upset the people looking after me.
Yeah, of course, it makes total sense to let someone unqualified practice medicine "My health,my rules.Sorry for hi-jacking your thread OP | |||
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"(In a David Attenborough whisper) And here we see kinky in their natural environment, carefully stalking the politics forum for any threads they can link to Scottish independence. Kinky has just displayed their classic bait-and-switch behaviour in response to a post they can't answer from another poster. They quickly change the subject an hope the other posters won't notice. The rare Kinky bird is known around the world for their ability to entirely ignore legal facts and constitutional certainties, allowing them to live in and environment of their own cognitive creation. (Merry Christmas Kinky )That,s the most ironic post coming from someone who hasn’t answered anyone’s questions,all the best
Like when? I do seem to remember you never answering the question about why you never reported a supposedly fake doctor working in a hospital.... Another question from you ha ha
You didn't ask a question for me to answer, and you didn't answer my question. . I,m not asking you a question because i know you won’t answer it,just making a statement
A statement that you couldn't back up, like your lies about a fake doctor Yawn,i have told you my reasons for not reporting him,nearly two years down the line after nine strokes and now being partially sighted,why would i want to upset the people looking after me.
Yeah, of course, it makes total sense to let someone unqualified practice medicine My health,my rules.Sorry for hi-jacking your thread OP"You let a man, who you believed to be unqualified and falsely claiming to be a doctor, practice medicine on yourself, and other people. I think that's criminally negligent, and that you are at least partially responsible for any harm he did to others. | |||
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"(In a David Attenborough whisper) And here we see kinky in their natural environment, carefully stalking the politics forum for any threads they can link to Scottish independence. Kinky has just displayed their classic bait-and-switch behaviour in response to a post they can't answer from another poster. They quickly change the subject an hope the other posters won't notice. The rare Kinky bird is known around the world for their ability to entirely ignore legal facts and constitutional certainties, allowing them to live in and environment of their own cognitive creation. (Merry Christmas Kinky )That,s the most ironic post coming from someone who hasn’t answered anyone’s questions,all the best
Like when? I do seem to remember you never answering the question about why you never reported a supposedly fake doctor working in a hospital.... Another question from you ha ha
You didn't ask a question for me to answer, and you didn't answer my question. . I,m not asking you a question because i know you won’t answer it,just making a statement
A statement that you couldn't back up, like your lies about a fake doctor Yawn,i have told you my reasons for not reporting him,nearly two years down the line after nine strokes and now being partially sighted,why would i want to upset the people looking after me.
Yeah, of course, it makes total sense to let someone unqualified practice medicine My health,my rules.Sorry for hi-jacking your thread OP
You let a man, who you believed to be unqualified and falsely claiming to be a doctor, practice medicine on yourself, and other people. I think that's criminally negligent, and that you are at least partially responsible for any harm he did to others. "Who said he caused harm to anybody ? | |||
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"(In a David Attenborough whisper) And here we see kinky in their natural environment, carefully stalking the politics forum for any threads they can link to Scottish independence. Kinky has just displayed their classic bait-and-switch behaviour in response to a post they can't answer from another poster. They quickly change the subject an hope the other posters won't notice. The rare Kinky bird is known around the world for their ability to entirely ignore legal facts and constitutional certainties, allowing them to live in and environment of their own cognitive creation. (Merry Christmas Kinky )That,s the most ironic post coming from someone who hasn’t answered anyone’s questions,all the best
Like when? I do seem to remember you never answering the question about why you never reported a supposedly fake doctor working in a hospital.... Another question from you ha ha
You didn't ask a question for me to answer, and you didn't answer my question. . I,m not asking you a question because i know you won’t answer it,just making a statement
A statement that you couldn't back up, like your lies about a fake doctor Yawn,i have told you my reasons for not reporting him,nearly two years down the line after nine strokes and now being partially sighted,why would i want to upset the people looking after me.
Yeah, of course, it makes total sense to let someone unqualified practice medicine My health,my rules.Sorry for hi-jacking your thread OP
You let a man, who you believed to be unqualified and falsely claiming to be a doctor, practice medicine on yourself, and other people. I think that's criminally negligent, and that you are at least partially responsible for any harm he did to others. Who said he caused harm to anybody ? "You are naive in the extreme if you believe that a unqualified person, falsely claiming to be a qualified doctor, can practice medicine in a hospital without hurting someone. | |||
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"Without a change in the constitution, it doesn't matter how many seats the independence movement get. How many times has this been requested by the pro indy side ? And how many times have the Spanish government said no or ignored it ? I suppose thats the answer for some on here is in Catalonia the people are electing a strong bloc of pro indy parties into government either be a single party or coalition and Spains government ignore it hoping it will all go away nah not this time round They will have to do something Either that dictator Rajoy resigns ir he actually grows a pair and allows a binding referendum in Catalan independence but the unionists cant stick the fingers in the ears hoping it will all go away Rajoy just like May fucked uo and have to respest the election result I mean CLCC the way it comes across when tou say " it doesnt matter how many seats the independence movement get " that you dont care about the fact the people are trying to change things but being ignored but a awful dictatorship that is Rajoys government Rajoy can't do anything without changing the constitution either. Ok CLCC so if changing the contitution keeps getting ignored which it has over years you cant deny that so tell me how does one change the contitution if one side are not willing to come to the table and listen ? The people have pretty much told Rajoy they want change and elected a pro indy majority bloc in the Catalan pariament wven you can work out that the unionists parties can not form a coalition government with 65 seats out of 130 and the pro indy side have 70 seats Something has to give and the unionists are going to have to admit defeat and do something yea you may argue all you like the unionists got 52% of the popular vote but they cannot get into government with less seats than all the pro indy side I think everyone can work out a way to solve this is to have a binding referendum and for both yes and no sides to put there points across to break away from Spain or remain part of Spain and then let the people of Catalonia decide their own future " Regardless of the actual seats gained, there is even less argument for saying a vote in favour of Catalonia seceding from Spain by 48% of those who voted gives a mandate for change or is in anyway a true reflection of the will of the people than there is for the 52% in our EU referendum. | |||
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"Without a change in the constitution, it doesn't matter how many seats the independence movement get. How many times has this been requested by the pro indy side ? And how many times have the Spanish government said no or ignored it ? I suppose thats the answer for some on here is in Catalonia the people are electing a strong bloc of pro indy parties into government either be a single party or coalition and Spains government ignore it hoping it will all go away nah not this time round They will have to do something Either that dictator Rajoy resigns ir he actually grows a pair and allows a binding referendum in Catalan independence but the unionists cant stick the fingers in the ears hoping it will all go away Rajoy just like May fucked uo and have to respest the election result I mean CLCC the way it comes across when tou say " it doesnt matter how many seats the independence movement get " that you dont care about the fact the people are trying to change things but being ignored but a awful dictatorship that is Rajoys government Rajoy can't do anything without changing the constitution either. Ok CLCC so if changing the contitution keeps getting ignored which it has over years you cant deny that so tell me how does one change the contitution if one side are not willing to come to the table and listen ? The people have pretty much told Rajoy they want change and elected a pro indy majority bloc in the Catalan pariament wven you can work out that the unionists parties can not form a coalition government with 65 seats out of 130 and the pro indy side have 70 seats Something has to give and the unionists are going to have to admit defeat and do something yea you may argue all you like the unionists got 52% of the popular vote but they cannot get into government with less seats than all the pro indy side I think everyone can work out a way to solve this is to have a binding referendum and for both yes and no sides to put there points across to break away from Spain or remain part of Spain and then let the people of Catalonia decide their own future Regardless of the actual seats gained, there is even less argument for saying a vote in favour of Catalonia seceding from Spain by 48% of those who voted gives a mandate for change or is in anyway a true reflection of the will of the people than there is for the 52% in our EU referendum." And to show the other side of your argument, Regardless of the actual seats gained, there is even less argument for saying a vote in favour of Catalonia remaining a part of Spain by 43% of those who voted gives a mandate for the status quo or is in anyway a true reflection of the will of the people than there is for the 48% in our EU referendum.  | |||
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"Without a change in the constitution, it doesn't matter how many seats the independence movement get. How many times has this been requested by the pro indy side ? And how many times have the Spanish government said no or ignored it ? I suppose thats the answer for some on here is in Catalonia the people are electing a strong bloc of pro indy parties into government either be a single party or coalition and Spains government ignore it hoping it will all go away nah not this time round They will have to do something Either that dictator Rajoy resigns ir he actually grows a pair and allows a binding referendum in Catalan independence but the unionists cant stick the fingers in the ears hoping it will all go away Rajoy just like May fucked uo and have to respest the election result I mean CLCC the way it comes across when tou say " it doesnt matter how many seats the independence movement get " that you dont care about the fact the people are trying to change things but being ignored but a awful dictatorship that is Rajoys government Rajoy can't do anything without changing the constitution either. Ok CLCC so if changing the contitution keeps getting ignored which it has over years you cant deny that so tell me how does one change the contitution if one side are not willing to come to the table and listen ? The people have pretty much told Rajoy they want change and elected a pro indy majority bloc in the Catalan pariament wven you can work out that the unionists parties can not form a coalition government with 65 seats out of 130 and the pro indy side have 70 seats Something has to give and the unionists are going to have to admit defeat and do something yea you may argue all you like the unionists got 52% of the popular vote but they cannot get into government with less seats than all the pro indy side I think everyone can work out a way to solve this is to have a binding referendum and for both yes and no sides to put there points across to break away from Spain or remain part of Spain and then let the people of Catalonia decide their own future Regardless of the actual seats gained, there is even less argument for saying a vote in favour of Catalonia seceding from Spain by 48% of those who voted gives a mandate for change or is in anyway a true reflection of the will of the people than there is for the 52% in our EU referendum. And to show the other side of your argument, Regardless of the actual seats gained, there is even less argument for saying a vote in favour of Catalonia remaining a part of Spain by 43% of those who voted gives a mandate for the status quo or is in anyway a true reflection of the will of the people than there is for the 48% in our EU referendum. "So im taking it you agree with Kinky ...that Scotland and the SNP has a mandate for Independence...seen as they have more seats in Holyrood ?....and btw 52% of the popular vote went to Pro Unity...no matter how much spin you want to put on it | |||
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"Without a change in the constitution, it doesn't matter how many seats the independence movement get. How many times has this been requested by the pro indy side ? And how many times have the Spanish government said no or ignored it ? I suppose thats the answer for some on here is in Catalonia the people are electing a strong bloc of pro indy parties into government either be a single party or coalition and Spains government ignore it hoping it will all go away nah not this time round They will have to do something Either that dictator Rajoy resigns ir he actually grows a pair and allows a binding referendum in Catalan independence but the unionists cant stick the fingers in the ears hoping it will all go away Rajoy just like May fucked uo and have to respest the election result I mean CLCC the way it comes across when tou say " it doesnt matter how many seats the independence movement get " that you dont care about the fact the people are trying to change things but being ignored but a awful dictatorship that is Rajoys government Rajoy can't do anything without changing the constitution either. Ok CLCC so if changing the contitution keeps getting ignored which it has over years you cant deny that so tell me how does one change the contitution if one side are not willing to come to the table and listen ? The people have pretty much told Rajoy they want change and elected a pro indy majority bloc in the Catalan pariament wven you can work out that the unionists parties can not form a coalition government with 65 seats out of 130 and the pro indy side have 70 seats Something has to give and the unionists are going to have to admit defeat and do something yea you may argue all you like the unionists got 52% of the popular vote but they cannot get into government with less seats than all the pro indy side I think everyone can work out a way to solve this is to have a binding referendum and for both yes and no sides to put there points across to break away from Spain or remain part of Spain and then let the people of Catalonia decide their own future Regardless of the actual seats gained, there is even less argument for saying a vote in favour of Catalonia seceding from Spain by 48% of those who voted gives a mandate for change or is in anyway a true reflection of the will of the people than there is for the 52% in our EU referendum. And to show the other side of your argument, Regardless of the actual seats gained, there is even less argument for saying a vote in favour of Catalonia remaining a part of Spain by 43% of those who voted gives a mandate for the status quo or is in anyway a true reflection of the will of the people than there is for the 48% in our EU referendum.
So im taking it you agree with Kinky ...that Scotland and the SNP has a mandate for Independence...seen as they have more seats in Holyrood ?....and btw 52% of the popular vote went to Pro Unity...no matter how much spin you want to put on it "I refer you back to the link that YOU quoted.... 43.4% voted for pro-unity parties. The rest either voted for independence (c48%), or for parties that have no policy either way. No matter what way you spin it. You provided the link, and the link that you provided proved you wrong! | |||
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"Without a change in the constitution, it doesn't matter how many seats the independence movement get. How many times has this been requested by the pro indy side ? And how many times have the Spanish government said no or ignored it ? I suppose thats the answer for some on here is in Catalonia the people are electing a strong bloc of pro indy parties into government either be a single party or coalition and Spains government ignore it hoping it will all go away nah not this time round They will have to do something Either that dictator Rajoy resigns ir he actually grows a pair and allows a binding referendum in Catalan independence but the unionists cant stick the fingers in the ears hoping it will all go away Rajoy just like May fucked uo and have to respest the election result I mean CLCC the way it comes across when tou say " it doesnt matter how many seats the independence movement get " that you dont care about the fact the people are trying to change things but being ignored but a awful dictatorship that is Rajoys government Rajoy can't do anything without changing the constitution either. Ok CLCC so if changing the contitution keeps getting ignored which it has over years you cant deny that so tell me how does one change the contitution if one side are not willing to come to the table and listen ? The people have pretty much told Rajoy they want change and elected a pro indy majority bloc in the Catalan pariament wven you can work out that the unionists parties can not form a coalition government with 65 seats out of 130 and the pro indy side have 70 seats Something has to give and the unionists are going to have to admit defeat and do something yea you may argue all you like the unionists got 52% of the popular vote but they cannot get into government with less seats than all the pro indy side I think everyone can work out a way to solve this is to have a binding referendum and for both yes and no sides to put there points across to break away from Spain or remain part of Spain and then let the people of Catalonia decide their own future Regardless of the actual seats gained, there is even less argument for saying a vote in favour of Catalonia seceding from Spain by 48% of those who voted gives a mandate for change or is in anyway a true reflection of the will of the people than there is for the 52% in our EU referendum. And to show the other side of your argument, Regardless of the actual seats gained, there is even less argument for saying a vote in favour of Catalonia remaining a part of Spain by 43% of those who voted gives a mandate for the status quo or is in anyway a true reflection of the will of the people than there is for the 48% in our EU referendum.
So im taking it you agree with Kinky ...that Scotland and the SNP has a mandate for Independence...seen as they have more seats in Holyrood ?....and btw 52% of the popular vote went to Pro Unity...no matter how much spin you want to put on it
I refer you back to the link that YOU quoted....
43.4% voted for pro-unity parties.
The rest either voted for independence (c48%), or for parties that have no policy either way.
No matter what way you spin it.
You provided the link, and the link that you provided proved you wrong!
"My link provided you with the details...of how the % votes were cast..if you would like to do some research rather than just look at the headlines...i along with a lot of commentators say the Pro Unity gained 52% of the vote...spin it how you like | |||
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"Without a change in the constitution, it doesn't matter how many seats the independence movement get. How many times has this been requested by the pro indy side ? And how many times have the Spanish government said no or ignored it ? I suppose thats the answer for some on here is in Catalonia the people are electing a strong bloc of pro indy parties into government either be a single party or coalition and Spains government ignore it hoping it will all go away nah not this time round They will have to do something Either that dictator Rajoy resigns ir he actually grows a pair and allows a binding referendum in Catalan independence but the unionists cant stick the fingers in the ears hoping it will all go away Rajoy just like May fucked uo and have to respest the election result I mean CLCC the way it comes across when tou say " it doesnt matter how many seats the independence movement get " that you dont care about the fact the people are trying to change things but being ignored but a awful dictatorship that is Rajoys government Rajoy can't do anything without changing the constitution either. Ok CLCC so if changing the contitution keeps getting ignored which it has over years you cant deny that so tell me how does one change the contitution if one side are not willing to come to the table and listen ? The people have pretty much told Rajoy they want change and elected a pro indy majority bloc in the Catalan pariament wven you can work out that the unionists parties can not form a coalition government with 65 seats out of 130 and the pro indy side have 70 seats Something has to give and the unionists are going to have to admit defeat and do something yea you may argue all you like the unionists got 52% of the popular vote but they cannot get into government with less seats than all the pro indy side I think everyone can work out a way to solve this is to have a binding referendum and for both yes and no sides to put there points across to break away from Spain or remain part of Spain and then let the people of Catalonia decide their own future Regardless of the actual seats gained, there is even less argument for saying a vote in favour of Catalonia seceding from Spain by 48% of those who voted gives a mandate for change or is in anyway a true reflection of the will of the people than there is for the 52% in our EU referendum. And to show the other side of your argument, Regardless of the actual seats gained, there is even less argument for saying a vote in favour of Catalonia remaining a part of Spain by 43% of those who voted gives a mandate for the status quo or is in anyway a true reflection of the will of the people than there is for the 48% in our EU referendum.
So im taking it you agree with Kinky ...that Scotland and the SNP has a mandate for Independence...seen as they have more seats in Holyrood ?....and btw 52% of the popular vote went to Pro Unity...no matter how much spin you want to put on it
I refer you back to the link that YOU quoted....
43.4% voted for pro-unity parties.
The rest either voted for independence (c48%), or for parties that have no policy either way.
No matter what way you spin it.
You provided the link, and the link that you provided proved you wrong!
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