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"Sufficient progress has been made in Brexit talks, European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker has said; paving the way for talks on the future UK-EU relationship. Very refreshing breaking news broadcast on all stations this morning, suggest you listen to it fully before commenting stings starting to progress well for UK" "Giant steps are what we take, walking on the moon" Ooopps...not that Sting. | |||
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"So it is going to all be about the U.K. maintaining regulatory alignment with the EU Customs Union. Presumably then we agree with EU trade laws about origination and quality but have no say in those laws? Sounds like staying in the Customs Union to me but in the way that this Govt is so fond of - calling it something else. " If the UK has put a condition in the agreement that we must be free to make our own trade deals with other countries then that means we are not in the customs union. You can't make trade deals with other countries if you are in the customs union. | |||
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"So it is going to all be about the U.K. maintaining regulatory alignment with the EU Customs Union. Presumably then we agree with EU trade laws about origination and quality but have no say in those laws? Sounds like staying in the Customs Union to me but in the way that this Govt is so fond of - calling it something else. If the UK has put a condition in the agreement that we must be free to make our own trade deals with other countries then that means we are not in the customs union. You can't make trade deals with other countries if you are in the customs union. " But if all laws and regulations have to be aligned... then basically you are staying in the single market/ customs union in all but name This just basically killed your hard brexit... | |||
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"So it is going to all be about the U.K. maintaining regulatory alignment with the EU Customs Union. Presumably then we agree with EU trade laws about origination and quality but have no say in those laws? Sounds like staying in the Customs Union to me but in the way that this Govt is so fond of - calling it something else. If the UK has put a condition in the agreement that we must be free to make our own trade deals with other countries then that means we are not in the customs union. You can't make trade deals with other countries if you are in the customs union. But if all laws and regulations have to be aligned... then basically you are staying in the single market/ customs union in all but name This just basically killed your hard brexit..." Are you sure about that Fabio? Only Theresa May just made a statement saying the UK has reached an agreement with the EU that all the UK including Northern Ireland is leaving both the single market and the customs union. I wanted to leave the customs union so we'd be free to make our own trade deals with other countries and it looks like Theresa May has secured that agreement. | |||
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all in all, it was a surprise announcement today and good for both sides, things will progress and things will get better
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"So it is going to all be about the U.K. maintaining regulatory alignment with the EU Customs Union. Presumably then we agree with EU trade laws about origination and quality but have no say in those laws? Sounds like staying in the Customs Union to me but in the way that this Govt is so fond of - calling it something else. If the UK has put a condition in the agreement that we must be free to make our own trade deals with other countries then that means we are not in the customs union. You can't make trade deals with other countries if you are in the customs union. But if all laws and regulations have to be aligned... then basically you are staying in the single market/ customs union in all but name This just basically killed your hard brexit... Are you sure about that Fabio? Only Theresa May just made a statement saying the UK has reached an agreement with the EU that all the UK including Northern Ireland is leaving both the single market and the customs union. I wanted to leave the customs union so we'd be free to make our own trade deals with other countries and it looks like Theresa May has secured that agreement. " You can make your own deals.... so long as it doesn’t diverge from the policy of the eu of which the UK have just committed.... So for example you could have that trade deal with the us that you crave... but for example food standards which the us wanted to be part of any deal is now off the table and that’s going to make trump mad.... So you can do your own deals... as long as they comply with all eu rules and regs... | |||
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"No hard borders; So if Scotland go for a 2nd Independence referendum that is one thing that will be eliminated from the argument
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all in all, it was a surprise announcement today and good for both sides, things will progress and things will get better
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and of course more money for schools, homes and NHS
you heard her say it"Brexit supporting Labour MP John Mann said this morning "All the doom mongers said a deal couldn't be done, looks like they have been proved wrong this morning". | |||
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"So it is going to all be about the U.K. maintaining regulatory alignment with the EU Customs Union. Presumably then we agree with EU trade laws about origination and quality but have no say in those laws? Sounds like staying in the Customs Union to me but in the way that this Govt is so fond of - calling it something else. If the UK has put a condition in the agreement that we must be free to make our own trade deals with other countries then that means we are not in the customs union. You can't make trade deals with other countries if you are in the customs union. But if all laws and regulations have to be aligned... then basically you are staying in the single market/ customs union in all but name This just basically killed your hard brexit... Are you sure about that Fabio? Only Theresa May just made a statement saying the UK has reached an agreement with the EU that all the UK including Northern Ireland is leaving both the single market and the customs union. I wanted to leave the customs union so we'd be free to make our own trade deals with other countries and it looks like Theresa May has secured that agreement. You can make your own deals.... so long as it doesn’t diverge from the policy of the eu of which the UK have just committed.... So for example you could have that trade deal with the us that you crave... but for example food standards which the us wanted to be part of any deal is now off the table and that’s going to make trump mad.... So you can do your own deals... as long as they comply with all eu rules and regs..." You seem to be mistaken. As the reports of the agreement show regulatory alignment will only come into force when other solutions cannot be found. The UK can put forward others solutions first before agreeing to regulatory alignment. Looks like the agreement can also divide up different sectors where some sectors may be susceptible to regulatory alignment other sectors will be completely free from it. Oh and after all that we're still free to make our own trade deals. You CAN'T be in the customs union and make your own trade deals. | |||
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"They havent got a deal, it means they can continue to negotiate lol." They have got a deal on the divorce bill, citizens rights and the Irish border. | |||
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"My understanding of the divorce bill is that we have possibly agreed a sum in the region of 40 billion sterling. This is paid over several tens of years and is reviewed on a yearly basis in line with our present monetary commitments. So while a massive amount of money at least we don't have to pay it all up front, and the yearly payments will be significantly lower than to 8 to 10 billion we are paying now." If that's right then that looks like a good outcome on the divorce bill. Some on here kept insisting we'd pay more than £50 billion. I said the UK would end up paying less than £50 billion. £40 Billion seems like a bargain considering the EU started off with a figure of £100 billion. | |||
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"They havent got a deal, it means they can continue to negotiate lol. They have got a deal on the divorce bill, citizens rights and the Irish border. " That is good for the irish. although, there is rumors she cant guarantee it, what about scotland? | |||
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"So it is going to all be about the U.K. maintaining regulatory alignment with the EU Customs Union. Presumably then we agree with EU trade laws about origination and quality but have no say in those laws? Sounds like staying in the Customs Union to me but in the way that this Govt is so fond of - calling it something else. " If it looks like s duck, sounds like a duck and walks like a duck it's probably a duck! For all intent and purpose this "Regularity Alignment" means we're staying in the EU's customs union. Seems like "take back control" actually means "do as you're told, when you're told: Oh, and by the way, you have no say in this any more". I didn't see that written on any read bus last year. | |||
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"So it is going to all be about the U.K. maintaining regulatory alignment with the EU Customs Union. Presumably then we agree with EU trade laws about origination and quality but have no say in those laws? Sounds like staying in the Customs Union to me but in the way that this Govt is so fond of - calling it something else. If it looks like s duck, sounds like a duck and walks like a duck it's probably a duck! For all intent and purpose this "Regularity Alignment" means we're staying in the EU's customs union. Seems like "take back control" actually means "do as you're told, when you're told: Oh, and by the way, you have no say in this any more". I didn't see that written on any read bus last year." It doesn't look like a duck, walk like a duck or talk like a duck though. The EU have made it very clear in the past you can't be in the customs union and make your own trade deals. We will now be able to make our own trade deals this means we must be outside of the customs union. Theresa May said in her statement this morning "We are leaving the customs union and the single market". | |||
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"The capitulation. The collapse. The hilarity. Centaur is spinning so fast and hard that if you hooked him up to a generator he could power the whole of the EU. Divorce payment: £50 billion as reported by the Guardian, The Times, the Independent, The Sun, The Telegraph, The BBC, RTE, ITV, Channel 4, Financial Times, The Daily Mail, The Express and more. £45bn to £55bn was the initial leak. Its £50bn. May concedes, Centaur wrong. There was never £100bn request from the EU. That was the Financial Times own estimate. The final bill was just over £80bn but the EU owed the UK money too and it quite rightly had no problem paying it. The Divorce Bill is also heavily weighted towards the next 3 years with the UK paying their contribution for 2019 and 2020. The deal means that the UK will remain under EU trading rules and have to follow directives. It can apply for some changes but the EU can reject them. Viva le self determination. Stormount can also veto any changes that Westminster wishes to make to regulations. The UK has its sovreignty back...as long as the EU and Northern Ireland both say its ok. In the absence of a deal at the end of this the UK will remain in full regulatory alignment with the EU. Some things are agreed before everything is agreed. And if a deal fails the UK stays in the customs union so wheres the leverage for the UK in upcoming negotiations? Give us what we want or we'll do what you tell us to anyway?? But Ill leave the final words here to Centaurs idol, Mr. Nigel Farage: "Frankly, there have been no negotiations. We've waited months and months and we've agreed to all the things that the EU insisted on". And that is a good thing because it means Brexit does not mean Brexit and that Britain has a better future for staying as close as possible to the EU." Hark, I think I can hear Brexiteers calling 'victory' in the face of defeat. Hilarious! | |||
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"The capitulation. The collapse. The hilarity. Centaur is spinning so fast and hard that if you hooked him up to a generator he could power the whole of the EU. Divorce payment: £50 billion as reported by the Guardian, The Times, the Independent, The Sun, The Telegraph, The BBC, RTE, ITV, Channel 4, Financial Times, The Daily Mail, The Express and more. £45bn to £55bn was the initial leak. Its £50bn. May concedes, Centaur wrong. There was never £100bn request from the EU. That was the Financial Times own estimate. The final bill was just over £80bn but the EU owed the UK money too and it quite rightly had no problem paying it. The Divorce Bill is also heavily weighted towards the next 3 years with the UK paying their contribution for 2019 and 2020. The deal means that the UK will remain under EU trading rules and have to follow directives. It can apply for some changes but the EU can reject them. Viva le self determination. Stormount can also veto any changes that Westminster wishes to make to regulations. The UK has its sovreignty back...as long as the EU and Northern Ireland both say its ok. In the absence of a deal at the end of this the UK will remain in full regulatory alignment with the EU. Some things are agreed before everything is agreed. And if a deal fails the UK stays in the customs union so wheres the leverage for the UK in upcoming negotiations? Give us what we want or we'll do what you tell us to anyway?? But Ill leave the final words here to Centaurs idol, Mr. Nigel Farage: "Frankly, there have been no negotiations. We've waited months and months and we've agreed to all the things that the EU insisted on". And that is a good thing because it means Brexit does not mean Brexit and that Britain has a better future for staying as close as possible to the EU. Hark, I think I can hear Brexiteers calling 'victory' in the face of defeat. Hilarious! "Obviously another remainiac | |||
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"So it is going to all be about the U.K. maintaining regulatory alignment with the EU Customs Union. Presumably then we agree with EU trade laws about origination and quality but have no say in those laws? Sounds like staying in the Customs Union to me but in the way that this Govt is so fond of - calling it something else. If it looks like s duck, sounds like a duck and walks like a duck it's probably a duck! For all intent and purpose this "Regularity Alignment" means we're staying in the EU's customs union. Seems like "take back control" actually means "do as you're told, when you're told: Oh, and by the way, you have no say in this any more". I didn't see that written on any read bus last year. It doesn't look like a duck, walk like a duck or talk like a duck though. The EU have made it very clear in the past you can't be in the customs union and make your own trade deals. We will now be able to make our own trade deals this means we must be outside of the customs union. Theresa May said in her statement this morning "We are leaving the customs union and the single market". " You're right it looks more like a poodle to me. It never said on the red bus that that the leavers were going to make Britain Europe's poodle either. | |||
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"The capitulation. The collapse. The hilarity. Centaur is spinning so fast and hard that if you hooked him up to a generator he could power the whole of the EU. Divorce payment: £50 billion as reported by the Guardian, The Times, the Independent, The Sun, The Telegraph, The BBC, RTE, ITV, Channel 4, Financial Times, The Daily Mail, The Express and more. £45bn to £55bn was the initial leak. Its £50bn. May concedes, Centaur wrong. There was never £100bn request from the EU. That was the Financial Times own estimate. The final bill was just over £80bn but the EU owed the UK money too and it quite rightly had no problem paying it. The Divorce Bill is also heavily weighted towards the next 3 years with the UK paying their contribution for 2019 and 2020. The deal means that the UK will remain under EU trading rules and have to follow directives. It can apply for some changes but the EU can reject them. Viva le self determination. Stormount can also veto any changes that Westminster wishes to make to regulations. The UK has its sovreignty back...as long as the EU and Northern Ireland both say its ok. In the absence of a deal at the end of this the UK will remain in full regulatory alignment with the EU. Some things are agreed before everything is agreed. And if a deal fails the UK stays in the customs union so wheres the leverage for the UK in upcoming negotiations? Give us what we want or we'll do what you tell us to anyway?? But Ill leave the final words here to Centaurs idol, Mr. Nigel Farage: "Frankly, there have been no negotiations. We've waited months and months and we've agreed to all the things that the EU insisted on". And that is a good thing because it means Brexit does not mean Brexit and that Britain has a better future for staying as close as possible to the EU. Hark, I think I can hear Brexiteers calling 'victory' in the face of defeat. Hilarious! Obviously another remainiac "You mean another person who's not convinced by simplistic populist solutions to complex problems? | |||
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"So it is going to all be about the U.K. maintaining regulatory alignment with the EU Customs Union. Presumably then we agree with EU trade laws about origination and quality but have no say in those laws? Sounds like staying in the Customs Union to me but in the way that this Govt is so fond of - calling it something else. If the UK has put a condition in the agreement that we must be free to make our own trade deals with other countries then that means we are not in the customs union. You can't make trade deals with other countries if you are in the customs union. " Actually that's not true. Turkey is in a customs union with the EU but is free to do trade deals with other countries, as long as those trade deals don't conflict with the EU's rules. For example importing cheap substandard food from Africa or the US. So we'll be able to do trade deals but they'll have be cleared by the EU first before we can actually implement them. Well done BREXITers, you've just negotiated a deal that puts Britain's trading future firmly into the hands of the EU and taken away our ability to have any influence over it. Never new that that's what "take back control" meant. | |||
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"Poor old Nige is having a meltdown bless him...well he got what hes always wanted "a pathetic legacy for a pathetic idiot and his pathetic followers | |||
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"So then the remainers must be overjoyed with the deal well it's a win win we can all reunite and stop slagging eachother off now happy days lol" Overjoyed with it...and proven right all along....im just waiting to see the reaction from people like you and a few more on here | |||
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"Poor old Nige is having a meltdown bless him...well he got what hes always wanted
a pathetic legacy for a pathetic idiot and his pathetic followers"Pathetic? He is the most successful politician and led the most successful political party in British history! They only campaigned on 2 issues, and for virtually all of their existence had no MP's and then only 1 defector in the House of Commons. They campaigned originally to save the £, and we never adopted the Euro. Luckily. They then campaigned to leave the European Union. So scared was Cameron of losing votes to UKIP, he allowed the referendum, and we voted to leave the EU. UKIP has a 100% success record. No other political party can boast that! | |||
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"UKIP leader Henry Bolton wasn't very happy at lunchtime either. It seems Mrs May has preferred the path of soft Brexit, and will now have to take on the hard Brexit supporters in the Conservative Party. Whilst the likes of UKIP may well now be an irrelevance, the likes of Jacob Rees Mogg and Owen Paterson may well be a tougher nut to crack." Tbh a hard brexit was suicide for the country...Ireland and the DUP my have just saved the UK | |||
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"Poor old Nige is having a meltdown bless him...well he got what hes always wanted
a pathetic legacy for a pathetic idiot and his pathetic followers
Pathetic?
He is the most successful politician and led the most successful political party in British history!
They only campaigned on 2 issues, and for virtually all of their existence had no MP's and then only 1 defector in the House of Commons.
They campaigned originally to save the £, and we never adopted the Euro. Luckily.
They then campaigned to leave the European Union. So scared was Cameron of losing votes to UKIP, he allowed the referendum, and we voted to leave the EU.
UKIP has a 100% success record. No other political party can boast that!
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"The capitulation. The collapse. The hilarity. Centaur is spinning so fast and hard that if you hooked him up to a generator he could power the whole of the EU. Divorce payment: £50 billion as reported by the Guardian, The Times, the Independent, The Sun, The Telegraph, The BBC, RTE, ITV, Channel 4, Financial Times, The Daily Mail, The Express and more. £45bn to £55bn was the initial leak. Its £50bn. May concedes, Centaur wrong. There was never £100bn request from the EU. That was the Financial Times own estimate. The final bill was just over £80bn but the EU owed the UK money too and it quite rightly had no problem paying it. The Divorce Bill is also heavily weighted towards the next 3 years with the UK paying their contribution for 2019 and 2020. The deal means that the UK will remain under EU trading rules and have to follow directives. It can apply for some changes but the EU can reject them. Viva le self determination. Stormount can also veto any changes that Westminster wishes to make to regulations. The UK has its sovreignty back...as long as the EU and Northern Ireland both say its ok. In the absence of a deal at the end of this the UK will remain in full regulatory alignment with the EU. Some things are agreed before everything is agreed. And if a deal fails the UK stays in the customs union so wheres the leverage for the UK in upcoming negotiations? Give us what we want or we'll do what you tell us to anyway?? But Ill leave the final words here to Centaurs idol, Mr. Nigel Farage: "Frankly, there have been no negotiations. We've waited months and months and we've agreed to all the things that the EU insisted on". And that is a good thing because it means Brexit does not mean Brexit and that Britain has a better future for staying as close as possible to the EU. Hark, I think I can hear Brexiteers calling 'victory' in the face of defeat. Hilarious! Obviously another remainiac "hypocritical much? | |||
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"I'm neither, but those are the facts of UKIP. 2 massive issues. 2 successes." Absolute tosh...all those years campaigning he never once managed to get elected to the UK parliament...in fact they got crushed at every single election apart from the EU's ones....i honestly think people didnt think the EU elections were that important in this country...in fact i know they wasn't by the turnouts...they only got elected on a very low turn out as people couldn't be bothered....but i bet they would be now | |||
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"Poor old Nige is having a meltdown bless him...well he got what hes always wanted
a pathetic legacy for a pathetic idiot and his pathetic followers
Pathetic?
He is the most successful politician and led the most successful political party in British history!
They only campaigned on 2 issues, and for virtually all of their existence had no MP's and then only 1 defector in the House of Commons.
They campaigned originally to save the £, and we never adopted the Euro. Luckily.
They then campaigned to leave the European Union. So scared was Cameron of losing votes to UKIP, he allowed the referendum, and we voted to leave the EU.
UKIP has a 100% success record. No other political party can boast that!
""....the most successful political party...", - I don't recall him being at number 10? And does failing to win his seat mean 100% success for Farage? These Kippers aren't the brightest sparks in the matchbox | |||
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"No hard borders; So if Scotland go for a 2nd Independence referendum that is one thing that will be eliminated from the argument
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all in all, it was a surprise announcement today and good for both sides, things will progress and things will get better
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you heard her say it"If Scotland was independent then it would be up to England if it wants a hard border with Scotland. the soft border in Ireland is what is being agreed to just now so don't count your chickens for the future border with England. | |||
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"I'm neither, but those are the facts of UKIP. 2 massive issues. 2 successes." Such a success that far age is doing his nut..
Massively fudged to keep the EU haters in check and most of those who voted to leave like centaur think they've 'won' so this fudge of a soft brevity will keep them quiet.. | |||
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"Ya would think by the way everyone is going on that it's all grand now , you would even think we know where it's going , We still haven't a clue of what's going on what was done today is only allowing us to start , " Ain't that the truth...and still cow towing to Europe for the foreseeable...lets not break open the prosecco just yet..  | |||
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"I'm neither, but those are the facts of UKIP. 2 massive issues. 2 successes. Absolute tosh...all those years campaigning he never once managed to get elected to the UK parliament...in fact they got crushed at every single election apart from the EU's ones....i honestly think people didnt think the EU elections were that important in this country...in fact i know they wasn't by the turnouts...they only got elected on a very low turn out as people couldn't be bothered....but i bet they would be now "So ukip in your words "Got crushed at every election apart from the EU one's" (which they WON by returning more ukip MEP's than any other party). I suggest you do some research before you spout such nonsense in future, as ukip got 7 elected members to the devolved Welsh assembly in the last elections there....far from being 'crushed' that was a very good result for ukip. | |||
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"I'm neither, but those are the facts of UKIP. 2 massive issues. 2 successes. Absolute tosh...all those years campaigning he never once managed to get elected to the UK parliament...in fact they got crushed at every single election apart from the EU's ones....i honestly think people didnt think the EU elections were that important in this country...in fact i know they wasn't by the turnouts...they only got elected on a very low turn out as people couldn't be bothered....but i bet they would be now
So ukip in your words "Got crushed at every election apart from the EU one's" (which they WON by returning more ukip MEP's than any other party). I suggest you do some research before you spout such nonsense in future, as ukip got 7 elected members to the devolved Welsh assembly in the last elections there....far from being 'crushed' that was a very good result for ukip. "Yes and now they are obsolete...there irreverent now...just like your thoughts on brexit are...you got sold a pup....did you crack open your champagne yet | |||
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"This is only part 1 - the easy bit - we all wanted citizens rights, Irish border and then the controversial divorce bill sorted satisfactorily." That is right, brexitors thought this is the final deal, there are many parts left. | |||
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"I'm neither, but those are the facts of UKIP. 2 massive issues. 2 successes. Absolute tosh...all those years campaigning he never once managed to get elected to the UK parliament...in fact they got crushed at every single election apart from the EU's ones....i honestly think people didnt think the EU elections were that important in this country...in fact i know they wasn't by the turnouts...they only got elected on a very low turn out as people couldn't be bothered....but i bet they would be now
So ukip in your words "Got crushed at every election apart from the EU one's" (which they WON by returning more ukip MEP's than any other party). I suggest you do some research before you spout such nonsense in future, as ukip got 7 elected members to the devolved Welsh assembly in the last elections there....far from being 'crushed' that was a very good result for ukip. "Yeah, but that is kinda like saying me being able to occasionally pot a coloured ball on snooker is a very good result for me. Well that it might be for me. But it would be a piss-poor performance if I claimed to be a professional snooker player. Or just even a good player. UKIP campaigned on a single issue. They didn't have to bother writing any actual policies or pretending to have any actual answers to the problems. They were just agitators. It is pretty easy to do that. Or put another way, if UKIP have spent the last couple of decades campaigning to leave the EU, then why don't they have a plan for how to leave? Why are all the intricacies of this such a surprise to them? Why aren't they going "OK, Theresa, step aside, we've got this covered. We've got a plan for what we are going, we've been working on it for ages". They aren't because they are charlatans. They are driven by an emotional desire to return the country back to the middle ages, and that is it. They can happily point out all the bits they don't like, but offer no actual solutions to those problems. I could campaign to be mayor of my city. I could say any bullshit I wanted to get elected. Doesn't mean I'd be any good as a politician, or actually help society in any way by doing so. I might even get my deposit back. That would be a very good result for me. Still a shit result. The only reason the referendum happened was Cameron used UKIP to try and bring onside some more of the hardline Tories. Just in the same way May is using the DUP to try and bolster her position after her atrocious election. UKIP aren't clever, or successful... they just happen to be useful saps that can be used as necessary. -Matt | |||
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"Poor old Nige is having a meltdown bless him...well he got what hes always wanted
a pathetic legacy for a pathetic idiot and his pathetic followers
Pathetic?
He is the most successful politician and led the most successful political party in British history!
They only campaigned on 2 issues, and for virtually all of their existence had no MP's and then only 1 defector in the House of Commons.
They campaigned originally to save the £, and we never adopted the Euro. Luckily.
They then campaigned to leave the European Union. So scared was Cameron of losing votes to UKIP, he allowed the referendum, and we voted to leave the EU.
UKIP has a 100% success record. No other political party can boast that!
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"I'm neither, but those are the facts of UKIP. 2 massive issues. 2 successes. Absolute tosh...all those years campaigning he never once managed to get elected to the UK parliament...in fact they got crushed at every single election apart from the EU's ones....i honestly think people didnt think the EU elections were that important in this country...in fact i know they wasn't by the turnouts...they only got elected on a very low turn out as people couldn't be bothered....but i bet they would be now
So ukip in your words "Got crushed at every election apart from the EU one's" (which they WON by returning more ukip MEP's than any other party). I suggest you do some research before you spout such nonsense in future, as ukip got 7 elected members to the devolved Welsh assembly in the last elections there....far from being 'crushed' that was a very good result for ukip.
Yeah, but that is kinda like saying me being able to occasionally pot a coloured ball on snooker is a very good result for me. Well that it might be for me. But it would be a piss-poor performance if I claimed to be a professional snooker player. Or just even a good player.
UKIP campaigned on a single issue. They didn't have to bother writing any actual policies or pretending to have any actual answers to the problems. They were just agitators. It is pretty easy to do that. Or put another way, if UKIP have spent the last couple of decades campaigning to leave the EU, then why don't they have a plan for how to leave? Why are all the intricacies of this such a surprise to them? Why aren't they going "OK, Theresa, step aside, we've got this covered. We've got a plan for what we are going, we've been working on it for ages". They aren't because they are charlatans. They are driven by an emotional desire to return the country back to the middle ages, and that is it. They can happily point out all the bits they don't like, but offer no actual solutions to those problems.
I could campaign to be mayor of my city. I could say any bullshit I wanted to get elected. Doesn't mean I'd be any good as a politician, or actually help society in any way by doing so. I might even get my deposit back. That would be a very good result for me. Still a shit result.
The only reason the referendum happened was Cameron used UKIP to try and bring onside some more of the hardline Tories. Just in the same way May is using the DUP to try and bolster her position after her atrocious election. UKIP aren't clever, or successful... they just happen to be useful saps that can be used as necessary.
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After all the remain spin, back to reality though,...looks like the official divorce bill is less than £40 billion pounds sterling as the Prime Ministers spokesperson has revealed the UK has agreed a FINAL divorce bill of somewhere between £35 billion and £39 billion pounds sterling. The BBC has also been reporting ALL DAY today that the UK had secured a divorce bill of between £30 and £40 billion. This must come as a huge shock to remainers like _xplicitlyrics on here as he was so cock sure the UK would pay more than £50 billion and he has been saying for months on here the UK would pay an absolute minimum of £50 billion or more. He still seems to be under the illusion that the UK is paying £50 billion or more even though the facts have been reported which prove him wrong. Even if he tries to convert it into Euros € as he did on a previous thread it still only falls between €40 billion Euros and €45 billion Euros, lololololol so still short of his 50 billion in either currency
I understand he may still be in a state of shock though so it may take him some time to come to terms with it.
2nd on citizens rights and the ECJ, the ECJ has no future role in Britain. The agreement that has been reached shows that the UK Supreme court is now the final court in Britain. The UK Supreme court will decide if any cases get referred to the ECJ and then any ECJ rulings will only be advisory to be taken into consideration by the UK Supreme court. Ultimately the UK Supreme court will decide. The ECJ will only be advisory and only available for referral for the next 8 years. After those 8 years are up its bye, bye to the ECJ in the UK for good.
Lastly on the Northern Ireland border the Prime Ministers statement this morning made clear the whole of the UK including Northern Ireland is leaving the EU, the single market and the customs union. On regulatory alignment that Remainers seem to be so overjoyed about the UK is free to put forward solutions to avoid regulatory alignment first. Only when all other avenues have been exhausted will any regulatory alignment be applied. The UK also seems to have negotiated that this can be divided by different sectors. While some sectors may be susceptible to regulatory alignment other sectors may be completely free from it. It's clear we won't be in the customs union as we'll be free to make our own trade deals after Brexit.
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"Lol, just caught up on the thread after being at work all day, and the spinning being done by Remainers here has really given me a good laugh.
After all the remain spin, back to reality though,...looks like the official divorce bill is less than £40 billion pounds sterling as the Prime Ministers spokesperson has revealed the UK has agreed a FINAL divorce bill of somewhere between £35 billion and £39 billion pounds sterling. The BBC has also been reporting ALL DAY today that the UK had secured a divorce bill of between £30 and £40 billion. This must come as a huge shock to remainers like _xplicitlyrics on here as he was so cock sure the UK would pay more than £50 billion and he has been saying for months on here the UK would pay an absolute minimum of £50 billion or more. He still seems to be under the illusion that the UK is paying £50 billion or more even though the facts have been reported which prove him wrong. Even if he tries to convert it into Euros € as he did on a previous thread it still only falls between €40 billion Euros and €45 billion Euros, lololololol so still short of his 50 billion in either currency
I understand he may still be in a state of shock though so it may take him some time to come to terms with it.
2nd on citizens rights and the ECJ, the ECJ has no future role in Britain. The agreement that has been reached shows that the UK Supreme court is now the final court in Britain. The UK Supreme court will decide if any cases get referred to the ECJ and then any ECJ rulings will only be advisory to be taken into consideration by the UK Supreme court. Ultimately the UK Supreme court will decide. The ECJ will only be advisory and only available for referral for the next 8 years. After those 8 years are up its bye, bye to the ECJ in the UK for good.
Lastly on the Northern Ireland border the Prime Ministers statement this morning made clear the whole of the UK including Northern Ireland is leaving the EU, the single market and the customs union. On regulatory alignment that Remainers seem to be so overjoyed about the UK is free to put forward solutions to avoid regulatory alignment first. Only when all other avenues have been exhausted will any regulatory alignment be applied. The UK also seems to have negotiated that this can be divided by different sectors. While some sectors may be susceptible to regulatory alignment other sectors may be completely free from it. It's clear we won't be in the customs union as we'll be free to make our own trade deals after Brexit.
"I knew he would try to spin it as a success for brexit lol....some people you can read like a book...more spin and more misinformation.....Centuar news of the day THEY caved in...the UK are staying in the CU...freedom of movement...and above all the ECJ Plus were paying for the privilege to do so  | |||
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"I'm neither, but those are the facts of UKIP. 2 massive issues. 2 successes. Absolute tosh...all those years campaigning he never once managed to get elected to the UK parliament...in fact they got crushed at every single election apart from the EU's ones....i honestly think people didnt think the EU elections were that important in this country...in fact i know they wasn't by the turnouts...they only got elected on a very low turn out as people couldn't be bothered....but i bet they would be now
So ukip in your words "Got crushed at every election apart from the EU one's" (which they WON by returning more ukip MEP's than any other party). I suggest you do some research before you spout such nonsense in future, as ukip got 7 elected members to the devolved Welsh assembly in the last elections there....far from being 'crushed' that was a very good result for ukip.
Yeah, but that is kinda like saying me being able to occasionally pot a coloured ball on snooker is a very good result for me. Well that it might be for me. But it would be a piss-poor performance if I claimed to be a professional snooker player. Or just even a good player.
UKIP campaigned on a single issue. They didn't have to bother writing any actual policies or pretending to have any actual answers to the problems. They were just agitators. It is pretty easy to do that. Or put another way, if UKIP have spent the last couple of decades campaigning to leave the EU, then why don't they have a plan for how to leave? Why are all the intricacies of this such a surprise to them? Why aren't they going "OK, Theresa, step aside, we've got this covered. We've got a plan for what we are going, we've been working on it for ages". They aren't because they are charlatans. They are driven by an emotional desire to return the country back to the middle ages, and that is it. They can happily point out all the bits they don't like, but offer no actual solutions to those problems.
I could campaign to be mayor of my city. I could say any bullshit I wanted to get elected. Doesn't mean I'd be any good as a politician, or actually help society in any way by doing so. I might even get my deposit back. That would be a very good result for me. Still a shit result.
The only reason the referendum happened was Cameron used UKIP to try and bring onside some more of the hardline Tories. Just in the same way May is using the DUP to try and bolster her position after her atrocious election. UKIP aren't clever, or successful... they just happen to be useful saps that can be used as necessary.
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"Lol, just caught up on the thread after being at work all day, and the spinning being done by Remainers here has really given me a good laugh.
After all the remain spin, back to reality though,...looks like the official divorce bill is less than £40 billion pounds sterling as the Prime Ministers spokesperson has revealed the UK has agreed a FINAL divorce bill of somewhere between £35 billion and £39 billion pounds sterling. The BBC has also been reporting ALL DAY today that the UK had secured a divorce bill of between £30 and £40 billion. This must come as a huge shock to remainers like _xplicitlyrics on here as he was so cock sure the UK would pay more than £50 billion and he has been saying for months on here the UK would pay an absolute minimum of £50 billion or more. He still seems to be under the illusion that the UK is paying £50 billion or more even though the facts have been reported which prove him wrong. Even if he tries to convert it into Euros € as he did on a previous thread it still only falls between €40 billion Euros and €45 billion Euros, lololololol so still short of his 50 billion in either currency
I understand he may still be in a state of shock though so it may take him some time to come to terms with it.
2nd on citizens rights and the ECJ, the ECJ has no future role in Britain. The agreement that has been reached shows that the UK Supreme court is now the final court in Britain. The UK Supreme court will decide if any cases get referred to the ECJ and then any ECJ rulings will only be advisory to be taken into consideration by the UK Supreme court. Ultimately the UK Supreme court will decide. The ECJ will only be advisory and only available for referral for the next 8 years. After those 8 years are up its bye, bye to the ECJ in the UK for good.
Lastly on the Northern Ireland border the Prime Ministers statement this morning made clear the whole of the UK including Northern Ireland is leaving the EU, the single market and the customs union. On regulatory alignment that Remainers seem to be so overjoyed about the UK is free to put forward solutions to avoid regulatory alignment first. Only when all other avenues have been exhausted will any regulatory alignment be applied. The UK also seems to have negotiated that this can be divided by different sectors. While some sectors may be susceptible to regulatory alignment other sectors may be completely free from it. It's clear we won't be in the customs union as we'll be free to make our own trade deals after Brexit.
"OK, quibble of the bill if you want. Regardless, it is a far cry from "They can whistle for it". And still 3-4 times what our annual membership fee to the EU was per annum. As for the ECJ... I guess HMG best work out what 'advisory' means before then. They haven't had the best track record with that word so far in the debacle, have they? I'm really not sure how an advisory ruling would work. I mean, considering our own Supreme Court judges are 'enemies of the people' according to the leavers. How do you see this working out? Surely a court has to have authority or not? And as for NI, it basically means 'no we've not actually worked anything out'. All they have done is the usual Tory bullshit of try and obscure things in language subtleties. They can now wriggle around saying 'Well, it is sort of aligned... if you squint'. And it is going to be applied to some sectors and not others? OK great... I'm sure the negotiations on that will go just swimmingly. What if my sector is/isn't 'aligned'. Do I get any say in this? How about the EU27... wonder what they will say when it comes down to them voting on it. Not really taking back control in any manner at all is it? What does it even mean anyway? You state: "the UK is free to put forward solutions to avoid regulatory alignment first. Only when all other avenues have been exhausted will any regulatory alignment be applied." What does that *actually* mean? Give me an example. Let's say I'm a dairy farmer in NI. What do those words actually mean to me? Sounds like mumbo jumbo bullshit to me. -Matt | |||
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"my god centy is "spinning" for his life today........ one teeny weeny question though... If this deal is as good as you trying to portray it is.... why are farage, and ukip, the "Leave means leave" group and leave.eu all absolutely frothing at the bit! "Centy has moved past caring about anything other than counting this as a win. No matter the outcome he'll spin it as a victory. Farage et al still want what theyve always wanted so theyre pissed. It was reported 2 weeks ago that they didnt care what figure was announced because they got full settlement on everything in the divorce bill. They said they were happy to let the uk announce whatever they wanted because it would keep brexiters happy. Centaur being an obvious case. | |||
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"Hi. If you consider that Theresa May had an atrocious election campaign how would you describe the performance of other parties.? It must be a lot worse than atrocious as none of them could come even close to returning the result achieved by Theressa May . " Here, we fucking go again. Why did May call the election? To bolster the support for her government. Did she achieve that? No, she spectacularly lost her majority and had to bribe the DUP in order to form a government. Why did Labour call the election? They didn't. What did they achieve? A massive surge in support and votes. They overturned a number of very safe Tory seats (e.g. Kensington & Chelsea). Given that, who do you think went home at the end of the day and patted themselves on the back and said "We did well here!" and who do you think went back and said "Shit, that didn't go as we planned". -Matt | |||
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"This is only part 1 - the easy bit - we all wanted citizens rights, Irish border and then the controversial divorce bill sorted satisfactorily.That is right, brexitors thought this is the final deal, there are many parts left." The trade deal can't even be signed until after we leave. There is going to be a transition deal, so we will still be in the CU & SM and under the ECJ for many years to come, and still contributing to the EU budget! This is what Brexit means Brexit means, right? | |||
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"Hi. If you consider that Theresa May had an atrocious election campaign how would you describe the performance of other parties.? It must be a lot worse than atrocious as none of them could come even close to returning the result achieved by Theressa May . Here, we fucking go again. Why did May call the election? To bolster the support for her government. Did she achieve that? No, she spectacularly lost her majority and had to bribe the DUP in order to form a government. Why did Labour call the election? They didn't. What did they achieve? A massive surge in support and votes. They overturned a number of very safe Tory seats (e.g. Kensington & Chelsea). Given that, who do you think went home at the end of the day and patted themselves on the back and said "We did well here!" and who do you think went back and said "Shit, that didn't go as we planned". -Matt" Or you could say, who do you think went home at the end of the day and patted themselves on the back and said "We still won!" and who do you think went back and said "Shit, we still lost". | |||
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"Hi. If you consider that Theresa May had an atrocious election campaign how would you describe the performance of other parties.? It must be a lot worse than atrocious as none of them could come even close to returning the result achieved by Theressa May . Here, we fucking go again. Why did May call the election? To bolster the support for her government. Did she achieve that? No, she spectacularly lost her majority and had to bribe the DUP in order to form a government. Why did Labour call the election? They didn't. What did they achieve? A massive surge in support and votes. They overturned a number of very safe Tory seats (e.g. Kensington & Chelsea). Given that, who do you think went home at the end of the day and patted themselves on the back and said "We did well here!" and who do you think went back and said "Shit, that didn't go as we planned". -Matt Or you could say, who do you think went home at the end of the day and patted themselves on the back and said "We still won!" and who do you think went back and said "Shit, we still lost". " Spin and more spin....the reason May is up shit creek without a padle is because she called the election....she hasnt got long now the brexiters long knives are out...there committing suicide.... | |||
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"I'm neither, but those are the facts of UKIP. 2 massive issues. 2 successes. Absolute tosh...all those years campaigning he never once managed to get elected to the UK parliament...in fact they got crushed at every single election apart from the EU's ones....i honestly think people didnt think the EU elections were that important in this country...in fact i know they wasn't by the turnouts...they only got elected on a very low turn out as people couldn't be bothered....but i bet they would be now
So ukip in your words "Got crushed at every election apart from the EU one's" (which they WON by returning more ukip MEP's than any other party). I suggest you do some research before you spout such nonsense in future, as ukip got 7 elected members to the devolved Welsh assembly in the last elections there....far from being 'crushed' that was a very good result for ukip.
Yeah, but that is kinda like saying me being able to occasionally pot a coloured ball on snooker is a very good result for me. Well that it might be for me. But it would be a piss-poor performance if I claimed to be a professional snooker player. Or just even a good player.
UKIP campaigned on a single issue. They didn't have to bother writing any actual policies or pretending to have any actual answers to the problems. They were just agitators. It is pretty easy to do that. Or put another way, if UKIP have spent the last couple of decades campaigning to leave the EU, then why don't they have a plan for how to leave? Why are all the intricacies of this such a surprise to them? Why aren't they going "OK, Theresa, step aside, we've got this covered. We've got a plan for what we are going, we've been working on it for ages". They aren't because they are charlatans. They are driven by an emotional desire to return the country back to the middle ages, and that is it. They can happily point out all the bits they don't like, but offer no actual solutions to those problems.
I could campaign to be mayor of my city. I could say any bullshit I wanted to get elected. Doesn't mean I'd be any good as a politician, or actually help society in any way by doing so. I might even get my deposit back. That would be a very good result for me. Still a shit result.
The only reason the referendum happened was Cameron used UKIP to try and bring onside some more of the hardline Tories. Just in the same way May is using the DUP to try and bolster her position after her atrocious election. UKIP aren't clever, or successful... they just happen to be useful saps that can be used as necessary.
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"Hi. If you consider that Theresa May had an atrocious election campaign how would you describe the performance of other parties.? It must be a lot worse than atrocious as none of them could come even close to returning the result achieved by Theressa May . Here, we fucking go again. Why did May call the election? To bolster the support for her government. Did she achieve that? No, she spectacularly lost her majority and had to bribe the DUP in order to form a government. Why did Labour call the election? They didn't. What did they achieve? A massive surge in support and votes. They overturned a number of very safe Tory seats (e.g. Kensington & Chelsea). Given that, who do you think went home at the end of the day and patted themselves on the back and said "We did well here!" and who do you think went back and said "Shit, that didn't go as we planned". -Matt Or you could say, who do you think went home at the end of the day and patted themselves on the back and said "We still won!" and who do you think went back and said "Shit, we still lost". " You have an odd way of looking at life. -Matt | |||
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"Hi. If you consider that Theresa May had an atrocious election campaign how would you describe the performance of other parties.? It must be a lot worse than atrocious as none of them could come even close to returning the result achieved by Theressa May . Here, we fucking go again. Why did May call the election? To bolster the support for her government. Did she achieve that? No, she spectacularly lost her majority and had to bribe the DUP in order to form a government. Why did Labour call the election? They didn't. What did they achieve? A massive surge in support and votes. They overturned a number of very safe Tory seats (e.g. Kensington & Chelsea). Given that, who do you think went home at the end of the day and patted themselves on the back and said "We did well here!" and who do you think went back and said "Shit, that didn't go as we planned". -Matt Or you could say, who do you think went home at the end of the day and patted themselves on the back and said "We still won!" and who do you think went back and said "Shit, we still lost". "
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"Still think we've conceded too much ! Still think we should have just left ! And no I won't change my mind ! So leave Centaur alone lol I'm more Brexit than him "Yes but you talk sence | |||
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"So then Centy is arguing that ther court wil be advisory...but the referendum was a vote not an advisory one....strange how people think
This is definitely judicial independence. Its just that the ECJ will get referrals and the UK will possibly have to follow regulations and directives. But apart from that and the Northern Asembleys veto power Westminster can do whatever it wants.
I think the phrase Brexit means Brexit is dead. And thankfully the phrase "Nothing is agreed until everything agreed" can be consigned to the rubbish bin since we have agreement that if nothing else is agreed that regulatory alignment is now the fall back."bingo.... I don't think centy realises that basically the "no deal walk away option" just became the norway solution.... hard brexit is dead....... | |||
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"So then the remainers must be overjoyed with the deal well it's a win win we can all reunite and stop slagging eachother off now happy days lol Overjoyed with it...and proven right all along....im just waiting to see the reaction from people like you and a few more on here "I'm glad yr overjoyed so are you now going to get behind brexit lol | |||
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"Hi. If you consider that Theresa May had an atrocious election campaign how would you describe the performance of other parties.? It must be a lot worse than atrocious as none of them could come even close to returning the result achieved by Theressa May . Here, we fucking go again. Why did May call the election? To bolster the support for her government. Did she achieve that? No, she spectacularly lost her majority and had to bribe the DUP in order to form a government. Why did Labour call the election? They didn't. What did they achieve? A massive surge in support and votes. They overturned a number of very safe Tory seats (e.g. Kensington & Chelsea). Given that, who do you think went home at the end of the day and patted themselves on the back and said "We did well here!" and who do you think went back and said "Shit, that didn't go as we planned". -Matt Or you could say, who do you think went home at the end of the day and patted themselves on the back and said "We still won!" and who do you think went back and said "Shit, we still lost".
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"So then the remainers must be overjoyed with the deal well it's a win win we can all reunite and stop slagging eachother off now happy days lol Overjoyed with it...and proven right all along....im just waiting to see the reaction from people like you and a few more on here I'm glad yr overjoyed so are you now going to get behind brexit lol"Of course olderseekingyounger is overjoyed with it, he's now overjoyed that we are leaving the EU. Knew he'd see sense eventually. | |||
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"Hi. If you consider that Theresa May had an atrocious election campaign how would you describe the performance of other parties.? It must be a lot worse than atrocious as none of them could come even close to returning the result achieved by Theressa May . Here, we fucking go again. Why did May call the election? To bolster the support for her government. Did she achieve that? No, she spectacularly lost her majority and had to bribe the DUP in order to form a government. Why did Labour call the election? They didn't. What did they achieve? A massive surge in support and votes. They overturned a number of very safe Tory seats (e.g. Kensington & Chelsea). Given that, who do you think went home at the end of the day and patted themselves on the back and said "We did well here!" and who do you think went back and said "Shit, that didn't go as we planned". -Matt Or you could say, who do you think went home at the end of the day and patted themselves on the back and said "We still won!" and who do you think went back and said "Shit, we still lost".
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"So then Centy is arguing that ther court wil be advisory...but the referendum was a vote not an advisory one....strange how people think
This is definitely judicial independence. Its just that the ECJ will get referrals and the UK will possibly have to follow regulations and directives. But apart from that and the Northern Asembleys veto power Westminster can do whatever it wants.
I think the phrase Brexit means Brexit is dead. And thankfully the phrase "Nothing is agreed until everything agreed" can be consigned to the rubbish bin since we have agreement that if nothing else is agreed that regulatory alignment is now the fall back.
bingo.... I don't think centy realises that basically the "no deal walk away option" just became the norway solution....
hard brexit is dead......."I think you and _xplicitlyrics are being premature again (seems to be a recurring theme). First of all the ECJ now has a shelf life of 8 years in the UK. The ECJ thing is a time limited deal in the agreement. After 8 years then it's Bye, Bye to the ECJ in Britain for good. Next point on regulations, regulatory alignment or what ever the hell you want to call it, also only has a shelf life of 8 years because EU rules regulations, and treaties, etc are only enforced by the ECJ. As Brexit Conservative MP Jacob Rees-Mogg pointed out on the Nigel Farage LBC radio show yesterday once we are fully out of the ECJ (which after today's developments we know will be 8 years) then the ECJ will not be able to enforce EU rules or regulations here by law. Our own Parliament and courts can change the rules if we so wish. Hard Brexit is no where near dead, after 8 years it's the ECJ which will be dead here and all the EU rules and regulations that go with it. | |||
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"So then Centy is arguing that ther court wil be advisory...but the referendum was a vote not an advisory one....strange how people think
This is definitely judicial independence. Its just that the ECJ will get referrals and the UK will possibly have to follow regulations and directives. But apart from that and the Northern Asembleys veto power Westminster can do whatever it wants.
I think the phrase Brexit means Brexit is dead. And thankfully the phrase "Nothing is agreed until everything agreed" can be consigned to the rubbish bin since we have agreement that if nothing else is agreed that regulatory alignment is now the fall back.
bingo.... I don't think centy realises that basically the "no deal walk away option" just became the norway solution....
hard brexit is dead.......
I think you and _xplicitlyrics are being premature again (seems to be a recurring theme). First of all the ECJ now has a shelf life of 8 years in the UK. The ECJ thing is a time limited deal in the agreement. After 8 years then it's Bye, Bye to the ECJ in Britain for good.
Next point on regulations, regulatory alignment or what ever the hell you want to call it, also only has a shelf life of 8 years because EU rules regulations, and treaties, etc are only enforced by the ECJ. As Brexit Conservative MP Jacob Rees-Mogg pointed out on the Nigel Farage LBC radio show yesterday once we are fully out of the ECJ (which after today's developments we know will be 8 years) then the ECJ will not be able to enforce EU rules or regulations here by law. Our own Parliament and courts can change the rules if we so wish. Hard Brexit is no where near dead, after 8 years it's the ECJ which will be dead here and all the EU rules and regulations that go with it. "You still don't quite understand this Eire / NI conundrum do you? If we wanted out of the ECJ we'd just say so... and we'd be out next year. There is a reason we don't want to be out of it. You seem to be suggesting above that the only reason we'd play by the EU rules is because the ECJ would be looking over our shoulder. Let me give you a hint... China isn't bound by EU rules and doesn't have the ECJ making sure it adheres to EU rules.... do you think it's good and services just turn up in the EU regardless? -Matt | |||
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" I think you and _xplicitlyrics are being premature again (seems to be a recurring theme). First of all the ECJ now has a shelf life of 8 years in the UK. The ECJ thing is a time limited deal in the agreement. After 8 years then it's Bye, Bye to the ECJ in Britain for good. Next point on regulations, regulatory alignment or what ever the hell you want to call it, also only has a shelf life of 8 years because EU rules regulations, and treaties, etc are only enforced by the ECJ. As Brexit Conservative MP Jacob Rees-Mogg pointed out on the Nigel Farage LBC radio show yesterday once we are fully out of the ECJ (which after today's developments we know will be 8 years) then the ECJ will not be able to enforce EU rules or regulations here by law. Our own Parliament and courts can change the rules if we so wish. Hard Brexit is no where near dead, after 8 years it's the ECJ which will be dead here and all the EU rules and regulations that go with it. " ECJ has a minimum shelf life of 8 years. Under the 2nd round of negotiations that might be extended. Of course the ECJ doesnt have jurisdiction over Norway, its the EFTA court. Largely the same but it has a different name so its a possibility that May will go for that and Brexiters can claim its a victory. And Switzerland has to abide by the laws it accepts from the EU in return for access even without the EFTA or ECJ courts so those regulations will be there to stay. | |||
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"There is nothing concrete in the agreement, its deliberately vague so both sides can pretend they are happy with it. " You get more umbelievable everyday,I told you so and why,the truth is hard for you very sad | |||
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"So then the remainers must be overjoyed with the deal well it's a win win we can all reunite and stop slagging eachother off now happy days lol Overjoyed with it...and proven right all along....im just waiting to see the reaction from people like you and a few more on here I'm glad yr overjoyed so are you now going to get behind brexit lol"In this form maybe i will...but lets see how it pans out..i still dont trust these lying Tories | |||
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"So then the remainers must be overjoyed with the deal well it's a win win we can all reunite and stop slagging eachother off now happy days lol Overjoyed with it...and proven right all along....im just waiting to see the reaction from people like you and a few more on here I'm glad yr overjoyed so are you now going to get behind brexit lol
In this form maybe i will...but lets see how it pans out..i still dont trust these lying Tories "Do you trust any politions,never come across an honest socialist politition,do not know of one on this planet | |||
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"Who cares about Brexit anyway? The absolute mother of all world parties will be the United Ireland one. This is all just meaningless jargon, leading up to the inevitable; - the world will be invited
SLIANTÉ!
I can actually see this happening in the foreseeable future and the real irony is that it is the DUP who have this week done more to advance that cause than anyone. "& even more laughable is that the torys could well have been the catalysts | |||
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"So then the remainers must be overjoyed with the deal well it's a win win we can all reunite and stop slagging eachother off now happy days lol Overjoyed with it...and proven right all along....im just waiting to see the reaction from people like you and a few more on here I'm glad yr overjoyed so are you now going to get behind brexit lol
Of course olderseekingyounger is overjoyed with it, he's now overjoyed that we are leaving the EU. Knew he'd see sense eventually. "What im loving is seeing these breiters like Centy try to spin it as a victory...when the whole country knows its not... | |||
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"So then the remainers must be overjoyed with the deal well it's a win win we can all reunite and stop slagging eachother off now happy days lol Overjoyed with it...and proven right all along....im just waiting to see the reaction from people like you and a few more on here I'm glad yr overjoyed so are you now going to get behind brexit lol
In this form maybe i will...but lets see how it pans out..i still dont trust these lying Tories Do you trust any politions,never come across an honest socialist politition,do not know of one on this planet"I know who i trust...and its not the tories...they would seel there grandmother if they could get the right price | |||
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"So then the remainers must be overjoyed with the deal well it's a win win we can all reunite and stop slagging eachother off now happy days lol Overjoyed with it...and proven right all along....im just waiting to see the reaction from people like you and a few more on here I'm glad yr overjoyed so are you now going to get behind brexit lol
In this form maybe i will...but lets see how it pans out..i still dont trust these lying Tories Do you trust any politions,never come across an honest socialist politition,do not know of one on this planet
I know who i trust...and its not the tories...they would seel there grandmother if they could get the right price "God, just don't ask Theresa May to sell your granny for you! Seeing her negotiating skills she'd come back with two grannies, a bill for you to pay, and a signed contract saying you now have to feed the grannies nine times a day, and twice extra on days ending in a 'F'. -Matt | |||
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"Message to Brexiters... Just because someone says something that you want to believe is true doesn’t mean that it is true. The promoters and sponsors of Brexit know which buttons to press and how to work you over. “Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed” is designed to keep you quiet and keep you on side but unfortunately paragraph 49 of today’s agreement proves that statement to be worthless because in black and white, it says that if nothing is agreed the whole of the U.K. will follow regulatory alignment with the EU. " now do you want to try and put that in language that centy will understand... because me telling him that his "no deal walk away" brexit just because in effect the Norway-EU type agreement just flew over his head!
have you noticed that centy always like to talk about everything else other than the "northern ireland" component of the agreements.... because that border having to remain borderless so to speak under the good friday agreement is going to scupper the hard brexit people like him wanted.....
the irony being that if mondays agreement had gone thru, you would have almost cut northern ireland loose from mainland uk.... this way... northern ireland draged the mainland into the same(ish) agreement, this was beautiful!!!
also you know that the next arguement thru the courts (whether eurpoean or british) is going to be "well since people born in northern ireland get to keep their EU passports" why cant the rest of us???.... after all... the dup wanted to keep all the UK together.. right???
centy get the UK only passport he craves, the rest of us get to keep our UK-EU passports as we laugh at the likes of centy as they are stuck in immigration lines with their uk only passports as we swan thru....
I call that a double win!!!
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"The BBC Newsnight presenter tonight Kirsty Walk seems to think the phrase 'Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed' still stands as she said on Newsnight tonight if the upcoming trade talks fail then the UK still leaves the EU without a deal in March 2019 and everything that was agreed today goes up in smoke." So what happens the the N Ireland border if today’s agreement goes up in smoke? Are we to believe that assurances given by the Government of the United Kingdom are completely worthless? You, like many Brexiters just do not want to acknowledge any complications or hurdles to get what you want. In our personal lives we refer to this as being selfish because we care more about getting what we want than the effects and collateral damage to others. The Irish border will be your Brexit killer and you just need to read up a little about international law to understand why. You want an advisory referendum that was undertaken in one country to have prevalence under an agreement ratified under international law. It just can’t happen. When Brexiters become less selfish and more outward looking we may all find the right way out of this shitfest. | |||
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"The BBC Newsnight presenter tonight Kirsty Walk seems to think the phrase 'Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed' still stands as she said on Newsnight tonight if the upcoming trade talks fail then the UK still leaves the EU without a deal in March 2019 and everything that was agreed today goes up in smoke. So what happens the the N Ireland border if today’s agreement goes up in smoke? Are we to believe that assurances given by the Government of the United Kingdom are completely worthless? You, like many Brexiters just do not want to acknowledge any complications or hurdles to get what you want. In our personal lives we refer to this as being selfish because we care more about getting what we want than the effects and collateral damage to others. The Irish border will be your Brexit killer and you just need to read up a little about international law to understand why. You want an advisory referendum that was undertaken in one country to have prevalence under an agreement ratified under international law. It just can’t happen. When Brexiters become less selfish and more outward looking we may all find the right way out of this shitfest." Well said | |||
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"The BBC Newsnight presenter tonight Kirsty Walk seems to think the phrase 'Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed' still stands as she said on Newsnight tonight if the upcoming trade talks fail then the UK still leaves the EU without a deal in March 2019 and everything that was agreed today goes up in smoke. So what happens the the N Ireland border if today’s agreement goes up in smoke? Are we to believe that assurances given by the Government of the United Kingdom are completely worthless? You, like many Brexiters just do not want to acknowledge any complications or hurdles to get what you want. In our personal lives we refer to this as being selfish because we care more about getting what we want than the effects and collateral damage to others. The Irish border will be your Brexit killer and you just need to read up a little about international law to understand why. You want an advisory referendum that was undertaken in one country to have prevalence under an agreement ratified under international law. It just can’t happen. When Brexiters become less selfish and more outward looking we may all find the right way out of this shitfest." Lmao!
It's a bit rich of you of all people to talk of others being selfish. You are the one who kept dismissing others concerns on here about Green issues and the effects of climate change, bragging about how many air miles you do in your 'hobby' of International travel. You couldn't care less about any collateral damage done to others by your carbon footprint, as long as you get what you want jetting off on your jollies all over the world. You may actually have a shred of credibility if you actually practiced some of the stuff you so often preach on here. | |||
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"So then Centy is arguing that ther court wil be advisory...but the referendum was a vote not an advisory one....strange how people think
This is definitely judicial independence. Its just that the ECJ will get referrals and the UK will possibly have to follow regulations and directives. But apart from that and the Northern Asembleys veto power Westminster can do whatever it wants.
I think the phrase Brexit means Brexit is dead. And thankfully the phrase "Nothing is agreed until everything agreed" can be consigned to the rubbish bin since we have agreement that if nothing else is agreed that regulatory alignment is now the fall back.
bingo.... I don't think centy realises that basically the "no deal walk away option" just became the norway solution....
hard brexit is dead.......
I think you and _xplicitlyrics are being premature again (seems to be a recurring theme). First of all the ECJ now has a shelf life of 8 years in the UK. The ECJ thing is a time limited deal in the agreement. After 8 years then it's Bye, Bye to the ECJ in Britain for good.
Next point on regulations, regulatory alignment or what ever the hell you want to call it, also only has a shelf life of 8 years because EU rules regulations, and treaties, etc are only enforced by the ECJ. As Brexit Conservative MP Jacob Rees-Mogg pointed out on the Nigel Farage LBC radio show yesterday once we are fully out of the ECJ (which after today's developments we know will be 8 years) then the ECJ will not be able to enforce EU rules or regulations here by law. Our own Parliament and courts can change the rules if we so wish. Hard Brexit is no where near dead, after 8 years it's the ECJ which will be dead here and all the EU rules and regulations that go with it. "So when you voted leave did you expect that you'd be under the jurisdiction of the ECJ? Of course you and your mates didnt. Brexit means Brexit eh? Total bollocks | |||
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"The BBC Newsnight presenter tonight Kirsty Walk seems to think the phrase 'Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed' still stands as she said on Newsnight tonight if the upcoming trade talks fail then the UK still leaves the EU without a deal in March 2019 and everything that was agreed today goes up in smoke. So what happens the the N Ireland border if today’s agreement goes up in smoke? Are we to believe that assurances given by the Government of the United Kingdom are completely worthless? You, like many Brexiters just do not want to acknowledge any complications or hurdles to get what you want. In our personal lives we refer to this as being selfish because we care more about getting what we want than the effects and collateral damage to others. The Irish border will be your Brexit killer and you just need to read up a little about international law to understand why. You want an advisory referendum that was undertaken in one country to have prevalence under an agreement ratified under international law. It just can’t happen. When Brexiters become less selfish and more outward looking we may all find the right way out of this shitfest. Lmao!
It's a bit rich of you of all people to talk of others being selfish. You are the one who kept dismissing others concerns on here about Green issues and the effects of climate change, bragging about how many air miles you do in your 'hobby' of International travel. You couldn't care less about any collateral damage done to others by your carbon footprint, as long as you get what you want jetting off on your jollies all over the world. You may actually have a shred of credibility if you actually practiced some of the stuff you so often preach on here."so if _oo hot stayed at home the plane would not have flown | |||
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"The BBC Newsnight presenter tonight Kirsty Walk seems to think the phrase 'Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed' still stands as she said on Newsnight tonight if the upcoming trade talks fail then the UK still leaves the EU without a deal in March 2019 and everything that was agreed today goes up in smoke. So what happens the the N Ireland border if today’s agreement goes up in smoke? Are we to believe that assurances given by the Government of the United Kingdom are completely worthless? You, like many Brexiters just do not want to acknowledge any complications or hurdles to get what you want. In our personal lives we refer to this as being selfish because we care more about getting what we want than the effects and collateral damage to others. The Irish border will be your Brexit killer and you just need to read up a little about international law to understand why. You want an advisory referendum that was undertaken in one country to have prevalence under an agreement ratified under international law. It just can’t happen. When Brexiters become less selfish and more outward looking we may all find the right way out of this shitfest. Lmao!
It's a bit rich of you of all people to talk of others being selfish. You are the one who kept dismissing others concerns on here about Green issues and the effects of climate change, bragging about how many air miles you do in your 'hobby' of International travel. You couldn't care less about any collateral damage done to others by your carbon footprint, as long as you get what you want jetting off on your jollies all over the world. You may actually have a shred of credibility if you actually practiced some of the stuff you so often preach on here."Now tie that back into brexit like a good boy, or stop trying to play the man and play the ball, for once. | |||
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"Seems the DUP still have reservations and that the Maybot just decided to sign up without their OK... So the done deal may not be quite so done, and that is before the Tory euro-sceptic brexiteers have their say. But why am I not surprised that our authoritarian PM with the nickname of the submarine may well have independently launched some more brexit torpedoes. Will be interesting to see if this deal holds of if this will be the Maybots latest foray into the bold march forward, about turn, double back while claiming she is strong and stable..." The thing is, the deals done. Its too late to back out now. If the Tories want to hold May accountable for her actions thats up to them, but it doesnt effect the agreement anymore than it means article 50 has to be retriggered or redoing anything else she's done as PM. The DUPs concern seems to be that hardline Tories would be against the deal. But Mays done the first sensible thing in the whole negotiation and put country before party. And why is Centaur talking about some BBC presenters opinion and ignoring poor old Nige' is he not flavout of the month anymore? Or is he just not a useful opinion anymore. In case you missed it Centyhe said this was "a surrender" a "humiliation" "pathetic" that the EU got everything it wanted. And he slammed Mays dishonesty in claiming that the UK was the ultimate arbitrator when it comes to EU citizens but the text says its the ECJ. | |||
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"So then the remainers must be overjoyed with the deal well it's a win win we can all reunite and stop slagging eachother off now happy days lol Overjoyed with it...and proven right all along....im just waiting to see the reaction from people like you and a few more on here I'm glad yr overjoyed so are you now going to get behind brexit lol
Of course olderseekingyounger is overjoyed with it, he's now overjoyed that we are leaving the EU. Knew he'd see sense eventually.
What im loving is seeing these breiters like Centy try to spin it as a victory...when the whole country knows its not... "To be fair Garage knows it isn't. He's blew it. His next speach will be from behind a counter and be along the lines of "do want fries with it?" | |||
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"So it is going to all be about the U.K. maintaining regulatory alignment with the EU Customs Union. Presumably then we agree with EU trade laws about origination and quality but have no say in those laws? Sounds like staying in the Customs Union to me but in the way that this Govt is so fond of - calling it something else. If the UK has put a condition in the agreement that we must be free to make our own trade deals with other countries then that means we are not in the customs union. You can't make trade deals with other countries if you are in the customs union. Actually that's not true. Turkey is in a customs union with the EU but is free to do trade deals with other countries, as long as those trade deals don't conflict with the EU's rules. For example importing cheap substandard food from Africa or the US. So we'll be able to do trade deals but they'll have be cleared by the EU first before we can actually implement them. Well done BREXITers, you've just negotiated a deal that puts Britain's trading future firmly into the hands of the EU and taken away our ability to have any influence over it. Never new that that's what "take back control" meant." It's not a full customs union though, there are various things specifically excluded in 'essential economic areas' for example agriculture, services, and public procurement. There is, however, an understanding that Turkey will start to align to 'the acquis communautaire' particularly on industrial standards with the EU, as part of the accession process. | |||
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"I'm neither, but those are the facts of UKIP. 2 massive issues. 2 successes. Absolute tosh...all those years campaigning he never once managed to get elected to the UK parliament...in fact they got crushed at every single election apart from the EU's ones....i honestly think people didnt think the EU elections were that important in this country...in fact i know they wasn't by the turnouts...they only got elected on a very low turn out as people couldn't be bothered....but i bet they would be now "You mean, UKIP were able to have major influence on 2 major issues from being outside a parliament? Why do you think people didn't think the EU elections were important? | |||
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"The thing is, the deals done. Its too late to back out now. If the Tories want to hold May accountable for her actions thats up to them, but it doesnt effect the agreement anymore than it means article 50 has to be retriggered or redoing anything else she's done as PM. The DUPs concern seems to be that hardline Tories would be against the deal. But Mays done the first sensible thing in the whole negotiation and put country before party. And why is Centaur talking about some BBC presenters opinion and ignoring poor old Nige' is he not flavout of the month anymore? Or is he just not a useful opinion anymore. In case you missed it Centyhe said this was "a surrender" a "humiliation" "pathetic" that the EU got everything it wanted. And he slammed Mays dishonesty in claiming that the UK was the ultimate arbitrator when it comes to EU citizens but the text says its the ECJ." Actually that is not so, the (15 page) agreement that the Maybot signed up to has no legal standing and can therefore be reneged on at any point until it is written into a legally binding international treaty (like the Good Friday Agreement and all the EU treaties that past Tories signed up to). Of course we all know how much store the Tories and DUP hold such legally binding international treaties in from how they have been attempting to use a threat of breaking such treaties if they do not get their way... | |||
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"Hi. If you consider that Theresa May had an atrocious election campaign how would you describe the performance of other parties.? It must be a lot worse than atrocious as none of them could come even close to returning the result achieved by Theressa May . Here, we fucking go again. Why did May call the election? To bolster the support for her government. Did she achieve that? No, she spectacularly lost her majority and had to bribe the DUP in order to form a government. Why did Labour call the election? They didn't. What did they achieve? A massive surge in support and votes. They overturned a number of very safe Tory seats (e.g. Kensington & Chelsea). Given that, who do you think went home at the end of the day and patted themselves on the back and said "We did well here!" and who do you think went back and said "Shit, that didn't go as we planned". -Matt" All that is true but the question no seems to be asking or answering (maybe for another thread) is 'why is Labour still only running neck & neck with the Tories?'. We have what's starting to look like the most incompetent government in 200 years with its main economic policy more than likely to lead to a massive economic downturn for the UK, and yet Labour is questionably only just one or two points ahead in the poles: It should be way ahead under these circumstances, why isn't it? | |||
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"Hi. If you consider that Theresa May had an atrocious election campaign how would you describe the performance of other parties.? It must be a lot worse than atrocious as none of them could come even close to returning the result achieved by Theressa May . Here, we fucking go again. Why did May call the election? To bolster the support for her government. Did she achieve that? No, she spectacularly lost her majority and had to bribe the DUP in order to form a government. Why did Labour call the election? They didn't. What did they achieve? A massive surge in support and votes. They overturned a number of very safe Tory seats (e.g. Kensington & Chelsea). Given that, who do you think went home at the end of the day and patted themselves on the back and said "We did well here!" and who do you think went back and said "Shit, that didn't go as we planned". -Matt All that is true but the question no seems to be asking or answering (maybe for another thread) is 'why is Labour still only running neck & neck with the Tories?'. We have what's starting to look like the most incompetent government in 200 years with its main economic policy more than likely to lead to a massive economic downturn for the UK, and yet Labour is questionably only just one or two points ahead in the poles: It should be way ahead under these circumstances, why isn't it?" The polls give them an 8 point lead still over the tories...but as we all know polls can be wrong | |||
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"Still think we've conceded too much ! Still think we should have just left ! And no I won't change my mind ! So leave Centaur alone lol I'm more Brexit than him
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"So then the remainers must be overjoyed with the deal well it's a win win we can all reunite and stop slagging eachother off now happy days lol Overjoyed with it...and proven right all along....im just waiting to see the reaction from people like you and a few more on here I'm glad yr overjoyed so are you now going to get behind brexit lol"This deal is the nightmare scenario that us Remainers feared we'd end up with in the end. It binds us for all intent and purpose to all the EU's rules, makes it almost impossible to make any far reaching trade deals with other countries and any trade deals we do do will have to have the EU's approval, whilst at the same time we've given up are ability to actually have any say in the rules we will still have to implement. This deal makes the UK EU's poodle and takes control from the UK and to the EU. The amazing thing is most BREXITers are too short sighted to even see that. | |||
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"All that is true but the question no seems to be asking or answering (maybe for another thread) is 'why is Labour still only running neck & neck with the Tories?'. We have what's starting to look like the most incompetent government in 200 years with its main economic policy more than likely to lead to a massive economic downturn for the UK, and yet Labour is questionably only just one or two points ahead in the poles: It should be way ahead under these circumstances, why isn't it?" Funny how a 3 to 6 point lead in the opinion poles for the Tories was a portent of a Tory landslide just before the Maybot called a snap election a few months ago, then as those polls closed over the course of the campaign it was poll bias, and now when the same polls show a 6 to 8 point lead for Labour Labour is barely running neck a neck... Do I detect right wing bias from the 6 media groups owned by billionaire tax avoiding oligarchs? | |||
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"So then the remainers must be overjoyed with the deal well it's a win win we can all reunite and stop slagging eachother off now happy days lol Overjoyed with it...and proven right all along....im just waiting to see the reaction from people like you and a few more on here I'm glad yr overjoyed so are you now going to get behind brexit lol
This deal is the nightmare scenario that us Remainers feared we'd end up with in the end. It binds us for all intent and purpose to all the EU's rules, makes it almost impossible to make any far reaching trade deals with other countries and any trade deals we do do will have to have the EU's approval, whilst at the same time we've given up are ability to actually have any say in the rules we will still have to implement.
This deal makes the UK EU's poodle and takes control from the UK and to the EU. The amazing thing is most BREXITers are too short sighted to even see that."I can see it ! It's crap 
Farage can see it !
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"So then the remainers must be overjoyed with the deal well it's a win win we can all reunite and stop slagging eachother off now happy days lol Overjoyed with it...and proven right all along....im just waiting to see the reaction from people like you and a few more on here I'm glad yr overjoyed so are you now going to get behind brexit lol
This deal is the nightmare scenario that us Remainers feared we'd end up with in the end. It binds us for all intent and purpose to all the EU's rules, makes it almost impossible to make any far reaching trade deals with other countries and any trade deals we do do will have to have the EU's approval, whilst at the same time we've given up are ability to actually have any say in the rules we will still have to implement.
This deal makes the UK EU's poodle and takes control from the UK and to the EU. The amazing thing is most BREXITers are too short sighted to even see that. I can see it !
It's crap
Farage can see it !
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"if notice that for all the spinning centy does... he still cannot bare to bring up the "northern ireland" issue.... its all about customs union... and ECJ....... and how this agreement isn't an agreement, and how it meant nothing if there isn't a full deal.... ect ect... I think we may have found his kryptonite "The conflict between the stated aims of Brexit and the reality is intractable. You will only ever see them "win" one small detailed point at a time. They never address the substantive issues with any more than a campaign phrase or an assertion. It's like religion. The most ardent believers never question their faith but also never really understand it | |||
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"if notice that for all the spinning centy does... he still cannot bare to bring up the "northern ireland" issue.... its all about customs union... and ECJ....... and how this agreement isn't an agreement, and how it meant nothing if there isn't a full deal.... ect ect... I think we may have found his kryptonite
The conflict between the stated aims of Brexit and the reality is intractable.
You will only ever see them "win" one small detailed point at a time. They never address the substantive issues with any more than a campaign phrase or an assertion. It's like religion. The most ardent believers never question their faith but also never really understand it "And the worst fanatics for the cause are the converts. (enter stage right May & Hammond). It's almost like members if the sensible wing of the Consecutive Party are being taken of to the 'BREXIT room 101'. They go in saying sensible things like 'we need to trade with are EU partners', 'we'll stand by a international obligations', 'the EU has helped keep the peace in Europe for 70 years' but, after their BREXIT reduction walk out saying daft meaningless statements like 'BREXIT means BREXIT', 'taking back control', 'will of the people' and 'nothing is decided until everything is decided'. Well just to get the record straight it's clear now that BREXIT means whatever the person saying it wants it to mean, we've just given away our ability to have any control over future trade negotiations and that has already been definitely decided. BREXIT:- The most shortsighted, self destructive and nationally humiliating policy in British history. And these people have the nerve to question other people's patriotism.  | |||
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"So Fabio as a remainer are you happy with the deal struck so far then or not it's hard to tell ? Are you happy for brexit to push on to phase two now ? " I can't talk for Fabio but for myself I can say definitely NO!. Whilst this arrangement is probably the best arrangement possible, possibly even the only arrangement possible it is actually a very bad deal for Britain and Northern Ireland. It effectively leaves us under the complete control of the EU while removing our right to have any say whatsoevers, never mind actually veto or block, anything that is not in our national interests. This is exactly where those of us who opposed BREXIT feared it would end and, thanks to the blind stubbornness of BREXITers, it's exactly where we're going to end up. The EU's poodle. | |||
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"So Fabio as a remainer are you happy with the deal struck so far then or not it's hard to tell ? Are you happy for brexit to push on to phase two now ? " am i happy as much as i can be at the progress that has been made.... sure... I don't think it really needed to take 8 months to get to where we are at at the moment! don't welch on honoured commitments, the citizens rights issues could have been done in good faith rather than hard brexiteers making a pawn of them! .. and the northern ireland issue ensuree we will probably have to remain is some sort of customs union.... my biggest gripe is actually them madness in that they you give people a vote on a blank canvas at the beginning, but we don't get a vote on the final deal in the end!!! don't you see a madness in that... | |||
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"if notice that for all the spinning centy does... he still cannot bare to bring up the "northern ireland" issue.... its all about customs union... and ECJ....... and how this agreement isn't an agreement, and how it meant nothing if there isn't a full deal.... ect ect... I think we may have found his kryptonite "I've talked about the Northern Ireland issue extensively in many posts on various threads here Fabio, it seems like you've just ignored them because you don't like what I've had to say about it. The UK always wanted to talk about the Northern Ireland border in parallel with trade talks and this was the uk's position right at the very start of the negotiations. It was the EU who wanted to separate Northern Ireland from the trade talks. As Brexiteer Conservative MP Steve Baker said yesterday on the BBC Daily politics programme, "We always knew the Northern Ireland border issue would never be solved while separate from the trade talks. At least now with this agreement the EU has conceded that the Northern Ireland border needs to be addressed in parallel with the trade talks, as we have wanted all along right from the start". So it looks like on this issue of Northern Ireland David Davis won the 'battle of the summer' after all then because the EU has conceded it has to be done in parallel with trade talks. It was always going to be the case and the EU were either too stupid or too stubborn to admit otherwise. The Northern Ireland border issue is intrinsically linked to issues around trade and unique solutions to the border can only be found while discussing customs and trade at the same time. Different sectors of business and industry can now be divided up and unique different solutions can be found to the unique set of circumstances that apply to those different sectors. | |||
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"if notice that for all the spinning centy does... he still cannot bare to bring up the "northern ireland" issue.... its all about customs union... and ECJ....... and how this agreement isn't an agreement, and how it meant nothing if there isn't a full deal.... ect ect... I think we may have found his kryptonite
I've talked about the Northern Ireland issue extensively in many posts on various threads here Fabio, it seems like you've just ignored them because you don't like what I've had to say about it.
The UK always wanted to talk about the Northern Ireland border in parallel with trade talks and this was the uk's position right at the very start of the negotiations. It was the EU who wanted to separate Northern Ireland from the trade talks. As Brexiteer Conservative MP Steve Baker said yesterday on the BBC Daily politics programme, "We always knew the Northern Ireland border issue would never be solved while separate from the trade talks. At least now with this agreement the EU has conceded that the Northern Ireland border needs to be addressed in parallel with the trade talks, as we have wanted all along right from the start".
So it looks like on this issue of Northern Ireland David Davis won the 'battle of the summer' after all then because the EU has conceded it has to be done in parallel with trade talks. It was always going to be the case and the EU were either too stupid or too stubborn to admit otherwise. The Northern Ireland border issue is intrinsically linked to issues around trade and unique solutions to the border can only be found while discussing customs and trade at the same time. Different sectors of business and industry can now be divided up and unique different solutions can be found to the unique set of circumstances that apply to those different sectors.
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"if notice that for all the spinning centy does... he still cannot bare to bring up the "northern ireland" issue.... its all about customs union... and ECJ....... and how this agreement isn't an agreement, and how it meant nothing if there isn't a full deal.... ect ect... I think we may have found his kryptonite
I've talked about the Northern Ireland issue extensively in many posts on various threads here Fabio, it seems like you've just ignored them because you don't like what I've had to say about it.
The UK always wanted to talk about the Northern Ireland border in parallel with trade talks and this was the uk's position right at the very start of the negotiations. It was the EU who wanted to separate Northern Ireland from the trade talks. As Brexiteer Conservative MP Steve Baker said yesterday on the BBC Daily politics programme, "We always knew the Northern Ireland border issue would never be solved while separate from the trade talks. At least now with this agreement the EU has conceded that the Northern Ireland border needs to be addressed in parallel with the trade talks, as we have wanted all along right from the start".
So it looks like on this issue of Northern Ireland David Davis won the 'battle of the summer' after all then because the EU has conceded it has to be done in parallel with trade talks. It was always going to be the case and the EU were either too stupid or too stubborn to admit otherwise. The Northern Ireland border issue is intrinsically linked to issues around trade and unique solutions to the border can only be found while discussing customs and trade at the same time. Different sectors of business and industry can now be divided up and unique different solutions can be found to the unique set of circumstances that apply to those different sectors.
"actually people have noticed (not just me) that whenever the northern ireland border is mentioned, you try to change the subject to trade.... ooooh... look what happened here!!! that is the biggest word salad i have seen in a long long time.... so let me make it really easy for you.. re northern ireland The "good friday agreement" (whichhas been ratified by international law) state there can be no borders on the island of ireland.... that is the only "parameter" that matters... you can't work around that!!! so for all of your "word salad"... unless brexiteers are trying to undo the peace process... your hands are tied! | |||
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"if notice that for all the spinning centy does... he still cannot bare to bring up the "northern ireland" issue.... its all about customs union... and ECJ....... and how this agreement isn't an agreement, and how it meant nothing if there isn't a full deal.... ect ect... I think we may have found his kryptonite
I've talked about the Northern Ireland issue extensively in many posts on various threads here Fabio, it seems like you've just ignored them because you don't like what I've had to say about it.
The UK always wanted to talk about the Northern Ireland border in parallel with trade talks and this was the uk's position right at the very start of the negotiations. It was the EU who wanted to separate Northern Ireland from the trade talks. As Brexiteer Conservative MP Steve Baker said yesterday on the BBC Daily politics programme, "We always knew the Northern Ireland border issue would never be solved while separate from the trade talks. At least now with this agreement the EU has conceded that the Northern Ireland border needs to be addressed in parallel with the trade talks, as we have wanted all along right from the start".
So it looks like on this issue of Northern Ireland David Davis won the 'battle of the summer' after all then because the EU has conceded it has to be done in parallel with trade talks. It was always going to be the case and the EU were either too stupid or too stubborn to admit otherwise. The Northern Ireland border issue is intrinsically linked to issues around trade and unique solutions to the border can only be found while discussing customs and trade at the same time. Different sectors of business and industry can now be divided up and unique different solutions can be found to the unique set of circumstances that apply to those different sectors.
"what a sad man you are...all the newspapers...the TV news channels and the radio stations in the UK recon Davis got shafted....IE well and truly fucked by the EU...and theres you saying he won the battle...i think you should go take a lie down | |||
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"if notice that for all the spinning centy does... he still cannot bare to bring up the "northern ireland" issue.... its all about customs union... and ECJ....... and how this agreement isn't an agreement, and how it meant nothing if there isn't a full deal.... ect ect... I think we may have found his kryptonite
I've talked about the Northern Ireland issue extensively in many posts on various threads here Fabio, it seems like you've just ignored them because you don't like what I've had to say about it.
The UK always wanted to talk about the Northern Ireland border in parallel with trade talks and this was the uk's position right at the very start of the negotiations. It was the EU who wanted to separate Northern Ireland from the trade talks. As Brexiteer Conservative MP Steve Baker said yesterday on the BBC Daily politics programme, "We always knew the Northern Ireland border issue would never be solved while separate from the trade talks. At least now with this agreement the EU has conceded that the Northern Ireland border needs to be addressed in parallel with the trade talks, as we have wanted all along right from the start".
So it looks like on this issue of Northern Ireland David Davis won the 'battle of the summer' after all then because the EU has conceded it has to be done in parallel with trade talks. It was always going to be the case and the EU were either too stupid or too stubborn to admit otherwise. The Northern Ireland border issue is intrinsically linked to issues around trade and unique solutions to the border can only be found while discussing customs and trade at the same time. Different sectors of business and industry can now be divided up and unique different solutions can be found to the unique set of circumstances that apply to those different sectors.
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"if notice that for all the spinning centy does... he still cannot bare to bring up the "northern ireland" issue.... its all about customs union... and ECJ....... and how this agreement isn't an agreement, and how it meant nothing if there isn't a full deal.... ect ect... I think we may have found his kryptonite
I've talked about the Northern Ireland issue extensively in many posts on various threads here Fabio, it seems like you've just ignored them because you don't like what I've had to say about it.
The UK always wanted to talk about the Northern Ireland border in parallel with trade talks and this was the uk's position right at the very start of the negotiations. It was the EU who wanted to separate Northern Ireland from the trade talks. As Brexiteer Conservative MP Steve Baker said yesterday on the BBC Daily politics programme, "We always knew the Northern Ireland border issue would never be solved while separate from the trade talks. At least now with this agreement the EU has conceded that the Northern Ireland border needs to be addressed in parallel with the trade talks, as we have wanted all along right from the start".
So it looks like on this issue of Northern Ireland David Davis won the 'battle of the summer' after all then because the EU has conceded it has to be done in parallel with trade talks. It was always going to be the case and the EU were either too stupid or too stubborn to admit otherwise. The Northern Ireland border issue is intrinsically linked to issues around trade and unique solutions to the border can only be found while discussing customs and trade at the same time. Different sectors of business and industry can now be divided up and unique different solutions can be found to the unique set of circumstances that apply to those different sectors.
"Battle of the Summer?"
Battle?
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"if notice that for all the spinning centy does... he still cannot bare to bring up the "northern ireland" issue.... its all about customs union... and ECJ....... and how this agreement isn't an agreement, and how it meant nothing if there isn't a full deal.... ect ect... I think we may have found his kryptonite
I've talked about the Northern Ireland issue extensively in many posts on various threads here Fabio, it seems like you've just ignored them because you don't like what I've had to say about it.
The UK always wanted to talk about the Northern Ireland border in parallel with trade talks and this was the uk's position right at the very start of the negotiations. It was the EU who wanted to separate Northern Ireland from the trade talks. As Brexiteer Conservative MP Steve Baker said yesterday on the BBC Daily politics programme, "We always knew the Northern Ireland border issue would never be solved while separate from the trade talks. At least now with this agreement the EU has conceded that the Northern Ireland border needs to be addressed in parallel with the trade talks, as we have wanted all along right from the start".
So it looks like on this issue of Northern Ireland David Davis won the 'battle of the summer' after all then because the EU has conceded it has to be done in parallel with trade talks. It was always going to be the case and the EU were either too stupid or too stubborn to admit otherwise. The Northern Ireland border issue is intrinsically linked to issues around trade and unique solutions to the border can only be found while discussing customs and trade at the same time. Different sectors of business and industry can now be divided up and unique different solutions can be found to the unique set of circumstances that apply to those different sectors.
"Battle of the Summer?"
Battle?
Step away from the crack-pipe....
That's what Explicitlyrics keeps referring to it on here as.....do try to keep up. "I usually avoid Brexit threads, because they are (to put it mildly) repetitive. Anyway, I've been vindicated in my initial assessment of Brexit, it would seem. It isn't a leftist issue and nothing of note will change. | |||
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"if notice that for all the spinning centy does... he still cannot bare to bring up the "northern ireland" issue.... its all about customs union... and ECJ....... and how this agreement isn't an agreement, and how it meant nothing if there isn't a full deal.... ect ect... I think we may have found his kryptonite
I've talked about the Northern Ireland issue extensively in many posts on various threads here Fabio, it seems like you've just ignored them because you don't like what I've had to say about it.
The UK always wanted to talk about the Northern Ireland border in parallel with trade talks and this was the uk's position right at the very start of the negotiations. It was the EU who wanted to separate Northern Ireland from the trade talks. As Brexiteer Conservative MP Steve Baker said yesterday on the BBC Daily politics programme, "We always knew the Northern Ireland border issue would never be solved while separate from the trade talks. At least now with this agreement the EU has conceded that the Northern Ireland border needs to be addressed in parallel with the trade talks, as we have wanted all along right from the start".
So it looks like on this issue of Northern Ireland David Davis won the 'battle of the summer' after all then because the EU has conceded it has to be done in parallel with trade talks. It was always going to be the case and the EU were either too stupid or too stubborn to admit otherwise. The Northern Ireland border issue is intrinsically linked to issues around trade and unique solutions to the border can only be found while discussing customs and trade at the same time. Different sectors of business and industry can now be divided up and unique different solutions can be found to the unique set of circumstances that apply to those different sectors.
"Battle of the Summer?"
Battle?
Step away from the crack-pipe....
That's what Explicitlyrics keeps referring to it on here as.....do try to keep up. "Well it was Davis that coined the term for his immediate surrender on day 1. The EU got exactly what it wanted on Northern Ireland. There will be no border and the EUs worst case scenario is that the North and South will have regulatory alignment. Now that we've confirmed that there'll be no hard border theres been sufficient progress to move on. What the EU want is now the minimum and the EU will pursue a better solution in the coming months. | |||
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"Why exactly are we supposed to owe the E U any money at all ? " Because the UK said to the EU. "Yes if we go forward with this budget we'll pay x% of it". Then the UK along with the rest of the EU went forward with it. If you didnt want to pay for it then you shouldnt have agreed to it. Its not complicated. | |||
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"Why exactly are we supposed to owe the E U any money at all ? Because the UK said to the EU. "Yes if we go forward with this budget we'll pay x% of it". Then the UK along with the rest of the EU went forward with it. If you didnt want to pay for it then you shouldnt have agreed to it. Its not complicated." It seems like BREXITers have a major problem with sticking to commitments that have been previously made. | |||
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"Why exactly are we supposed to owe the E U any money at all ? " According to Nige we have 22,000 Brits working in the EU - who's go going to pay their pensions? Nige is going to get 72,000€ for life - that's why your going to pay - but that's fact not fear! | |||
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"Why exactly are we supposed to owe the E U any money at all ? Because the UK said to the EU. "Yes if we go forward with this budget we'll pay x% of it". Then the UK along with the rest of the EU went forward with it. If you didnt want to pay for it then you shouldnt have agreed to it. Its not complicated." I find it amazing that people dont understand the concept of signing a contract and being bound by the contents. We agreed, we need to pay | |||
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"Why exactly are we supposed to owe the E U any money at all ? Because the UK said to the EU. "Yes if we go forward with this budget we'll pay x% of it". Then the UK along with the rest of the EU went forward with it. If you didnt want to pay for it then you shouldnt have agreed to it. Its not complicated. I find it amazing that people dont understand the concept of signing a contract and being bound by the contents. We agreed, we need to pay" Its almost as if Brexiters dont value honesty... | |||
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"Good. We can now be sure that the government has learned lessons from this and won't make any of the same mistakes again "Well yes, it'll go as well as a finely crafted swiss watch | |||
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"Things this government has done impact assessments on: ? Songs from ice cream vans ? Drain standards ? Comedy Things they haven't done impact assessments on: ? Brexit " Other Impact assements carried out by the Government: Protecting the word "apprenticeship" Redesigning the BIS dept intranet Impact of moving Falkirk driving test centre | |||
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"I do find it interesting that Davies is now having to basically backtrack to the Irish with regards to what was clarified in the agreement and what he has been saying to appease his hardline brexit mates It is like watching someone really incompetent trying to talk out of both sides of their mouths really badly... Let’s see what Teresa does later in parliament " well according to one lone voice on here dithering Davis has been 'successful' in his negotiations.. | |||
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"Why exactly are we supposed to owe the E U any money at all ? " Ask David Davis as he said nothing was due. His tremendous ability to outsmart the EU ..... You know the rest | |||
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