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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Seems like Trump is going to “recognise” Jerusalem as capital of Israel.

This guy couldn’t recognise his own arse.....and he certainly talks out of it often enough!

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

The man is determined to reignite and intensify violent conflict he can.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"The man is determined to reignite and intensify violent conflict he can."

Certainly deflects from problems at home!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The man is determined to reignite and intensify violent conflict he can.

Certainly deflects from problems at home!"

Hes fucked at home...now hes trying to fuck up the middle east more

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The man is determined to reignite and intensify violent conflict he can.

Certainly deflects from problems at home!

Hes fucked at home...now hes trying to fuck up the middle east more "

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

The worst thing about this proposal is simply that there is no need to do it and yet in doing it, he is prepared to increase the level of conflict in the Middle East. That is madness.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

well his son, don jr, is up with the senate committee today with regards to the infamous secret meeting with the russian officals trying to gain dirt....

so this seems like a good distraction to that....

the timing is merely co-incidental...

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Smoke and mirrors - he's eager to churn out tripe at the best of times, this is more of it, that also serves ulterior motives

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"The man is determined to reignite and intensify violent conflict he can.

Certainly deflects from problems at home!"

Number 1 motivation right there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Seems like Trump is going to “recognise” Jerusalem as capital of Israel.

This guy couldn’t recognise his own arse.....and he certainly talks out of it often enough!"

You seem to forget he is President of the United States

God bless America

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think it will change much.Jerusalem is claimed by everyone.Every Arab already knows Israel sees it as its capital.So what if a fat orange American agrees with the Israeli government.Some protest no doubt.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

Actually it changes everything because it legitimises the move of Israels capital from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem and in so doing gives US backing for the incorporation of part of the occupied into the state of Israel. Of course it also increases the vulnerability of all US embassy staff in Israel. (Part of the reason for the siting of the US embassy in Tel Aviv was its proximity and access to the Med thus allowing for easy evacuation and fast military reinforcement if it came under siege.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Seems like Trump is going to “recognise” Jerusalem as capital of Israel.

This guy couldn’t recognise his own arse.....and he certainly talks out of it often enough!

You seem to forget he is President of the United States

I don't think anyone can forget that, otherwise he'd be just another useless old man.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As it shows that the US under Trump has no interest in a two state solution, I'd suggest you think harder before you post next time.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

It is a good way to start a holy war by increasing terrorism throught the world and causing more religious hatred in the world,he is a very nast bigot.

Or worse a the anti christ he is a true devil

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It also lends legitimacy to the illegal Israeli invasion in 67

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is a good way to start a holy war by increasing terrorism throught the world and causing more religious hatred in the world,he is a very nast bigot.

Or worse a the anti christ he is a true devil"

Wow

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is a good way to start a holy war by increasing terrorism throught the world and causing more religious hatred in the world,he is a very nast bigot.

Or worse a the anti christ he is a true devil"

Biblical picture of trump in s cave under Jerusalem

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Trump's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

[Removed by poster at 07/12/17 09:24:55]

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Trump's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy. "

LMAO

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He talks like he's addressing primary school children.

Embarrassing!

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex

"He talks like he's addressing primary school children.

Embarrassing! "

He talks like he's a primary school child.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Seeing as the entire world is run by a very few members of one family, it's not really a mystery why a business man entirely reliant on their favour would seek to do this.

It smacks entirely of self centered greed and complete and utter disregard of the political nuances of the area

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By *oubepoMan
over a year ago

Spain Portugal France

"Defiant Trump confirms US will recognise Jerusalem as capital of Israel"

I don't mind that but I do object to him insisting he ride into the city on a donkey!

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

""Defiant Trump confirms US will recognise Jerusalem as capital of Israel"

I don't mind that but I do object to him insisting he ride into the city on a donkey! "

"Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God."

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By *oubepoMan
over a year ago

Spain Portugal France

""Defiant Trump confirms US will recognise Jerusalem as capital of Israel"

I don't mind that but I do object to him insisting he ride into the city on a donkey!

"Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God."

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"I don't think it will change much.Jerusalem is claimed by everyone.Every Arab already knows Israel sees it as its capital.So what if a fat orange American agrees with the Israeli government.Some protest no doubt."
well said bob a lot of folk over reacting on this like bob says so what who gives a shit it's trump it's to be expected

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't think it will change much.Jerusalem is claimed by everyone.Every Arab already knows Israel sees it as its capital.So what if a fat orange American agrees with the Israeli government.Some protest no doubt. well said bob a lot of folk over reacting on this like bob says so what who gives a shit it's trump it's to be expected "

Jesus fucking Christ.....

This is a 'damage done' moment. Even if you have the next President go completely back on it there is no way that the takeaway from that move will be anything other than "America can't be trusted to maintain a stance on this complex conflict."

Also, going back on it will only rile up those who wish to perpetuate the conflict from the Israeli side.

*slow clap*

But sure, try and spin it an no big deal.

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By *ary_ArgyllMan
over a year ago

Argyll

Seems like the US strategy to finding a solution to Middle East problems is take a large stick and stir the whole hornets nest about as hard as possible and wait to see what happens - should be interesting but I feel sorry for the people living there.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Seems like the US strategy to finding a solution to Middle East problems is take a large stick and stir the whole hornets nest about as hard as possible and wait to see what happens - should be interesting but I feel sorry for the people living there."

ditto..

But there was me thinking the 'strategy' by Trump was to deflect the spotlight from his own shenanigans in and with the Russians..

oh i am such a cynic..

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

The middle east is just like Europe 100 years ago. Economic cooperation and prosperity is what put an end to our wars.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

The middle east is just like Europe 100 years ago. Economic cooperation and prosperity is what put an end to our wars. "

And democracy, and military alliances

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By *uxinteriorMan
over a year ago

south west , continental

"I don't think it will change much.Jerusalem is claimed by everyone.Every Arab already knows Israel sees it as its capital.So what if a fat orange American agrees with the Israeli government.Some protest no doubt. well said bob a lot of folk over reacting on this like bob says so what who gives a shit it's trump it's to be expected "

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By *uxinteriorMan
over a year ago

south west , continental

Ask Google the capital of Israel and the answer is...........

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ask Google the capital of Israel and the answer is........... "

Not fucking relevant.

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By *uxinteriorMan
over a year ago

south west , continental

"Ask Google the capital of Israel and the answer is...........

Not fucking relevant."

Language dear chap!

A simple Google check will confirm the answer for both Israel and Palestine.

As for relevance, I would say it is rather relevant.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fuck it. Lets just take over israel and palestine and administer the region ourselves, they can't peacefully work together so we'll give them a leviathan to force co-operation.

Pip pip, toodle loo.

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By *leasure domMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"Fuck it. Lets just take over israel and palestine and administer the region ourselves, they can't peacefully work together so we'll give them a leviathan to force co-operation.

Pip pip, toodle loo."

1. As if Britain hadn't caused enough chaos in that region already.

2. Tell that to the families of the British peacekeeping force murdered by the Jewish terrorist gangs.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

Being the cynic I am I have to say I think Trump has played a blinder on this (just not sure America will enjoy paying the price). In one short speech and with a flourish of his pen he has managed to restart the Israeli Palestinian conflict. Of course in doing so he has also managed to ensure that every violent pro Palestinian group in the world and every Salafist Islamic jihadist group in the world will now redouble their efforts to harm Americans and American interests anywhere globally but especially in the USA. So in one move Trump has ensured that he will soon be able to justify his Islamophobic bigotry and may even have set in motion a train of events that will justify him removing Muller, shutting down all investigations into him and his family ties to Russia and their decades of systematic tax fraud and international money laundering for Russian gangsters (including Putin and his mates).

Looking at things from Trumps point of view this may well be his best work yet. For the world, I would say it is not so good...

But it is the type of thing many gangsters do when they find that their past is catching up on them and there is nowhere to hide.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ask Google the capital of Israel and the answer is...........

Not fucking relevant.

Language dear chap!

A simple Google check will confirm the answer for both Israel and Palestine.

As for relevance, I would say it is rather relevant. "

What Google returns is not the gods honest truth, but rather the most popular answer. And that answer is, and say it with me, not fucking relevant.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Typical replies from many in Dismay.

This will all blow over in years to come and it will be accepted,

the World will follow suit, soon other countries will also establish Embassies In Jerusalem and it will be accepted as Israel's.

Israel needs room to grow and expand. except it.

(as its going to happen regardless).

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"Typical replies from many in Dismay.

This will all blow over in years to come and it will be accepted,

the World will follow suit, soon other countries will also establish Embassies In Jerusalem and it will be accepted as Israel's.

Israel needs room to grow and expand. except it.

(as its going to happen regardless). "

Do you realise that the Israeli Palestinian problem has not over in 71 years and over that time has supplied the reason for and then been the catalyst for international terrorism? Do you also understand that the growth in Salafism and modern day fundamentalist jihadism can also trace its roots back to the Israeli Palestinian conflict? Do you further understand that the most volatile flash-points is Jerusalem? And that is is such a sensitive subject that even tho the state of Israel has move the Knesset and much of its government there the internationally recognised capital is Tel Aviv because of all the international problems recognising Jerusalem as the capital will cause?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Typical replies from many in Dismay.

This will all blow over in years to come and it will be accepted,

the World will follow suit, soon other countries will also establish Embassies In Jerusalem and it will be accepted as Israel's.

Israel needs room to grow and expand. except it.

(as its going to happen regardless).

you do realise that as no change has happened over 71 years, then drastic change is needed for the better

in years to come you will eat your words oh wise one

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

you should also be aware the majority population of USA also backs this move and USA can have their embassy here as their judgement

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"you should also be aware the majority population of USA also backs this move and USA can have their embassy here as their judgement "

I am, I am also aware that the powerful gun lobby wants less gun control, that many Americans are racist bigots who believe in 'intelligent design' and that human caused global climate change is not real. But that does not make any of them right either.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"you should also be aware the majority population of USA also backs this move and USA can have their embassy here as their judgement

Given the choice I always travel West, never east, the USA, land and people are far better, even the racist bigots

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"Given the choice I always travel West, never east, the USA, land and people are far better, even the racist bigots"

Many share your sentiments, but if the USA were any other country in the world it would be classed as a failing state because of the levels of violence, police and political corruption. But we can agree on one thing, much of the land is stunning. Shame Trump is determined to desecrate and contaminate as much of it as he possibly can while he remains in office.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Typical replies from many in Dismay.

This will all blow over in years to come and it will be accepted,

the World will follow suit, soon other countries will also establish Embassies In Jerusalem and it will be accepted as Israel's.

Israel needs room to grow and expand. except it.

(as its going to happen regardless). "

Israel needs room to grow and expand? Except (accept?) it?

Israel just needs some Lebensraum, or living space right? Perfectly reasonable.

I'm sure you accept (or maybe except) England also needs some Lebensraum too, and wouldn't mind if we too a bit of Scotland, right? Edinburgh should do nicely. It's ok, you guys can keep the highlands. There's plenty of space there, someone's already cleared it for you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Typical replies from many in Dismay.

This will all blow over in years to come and it will be accepted,

the World will follow suit, soon other countries will also establish Embassies In Jerusalem and it will be accepted as Israel's.

Israel needs room to grow and expand. except it.

(as its going to happen regardless). "

I would seem that the unofficial motto of Israel, "never again" has a little mentioned modifier of "to us"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Apart from the comedy that was the last couple of years, I'm not so savvy on US politics - but do they now decide on the geography of country's capitals?

The show goes on .......

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"The man is determined to reignite and intensify violent conflict he can.

Certainly deflects from problems at home!

Hes fucked at home...now hes trying to fuck up the middle east more "
Not just the middle east the whole world very alarming

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

The middle east is just like Europe 100 years ago. Economic cooperation and prosperity is what put an end to our wars. "

Please explain:

1914-1918 (with particular reference to 1917)

1933-1945

1991-present (with particular reference to Eastern Europe)

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"you should also be aware the majority population of USA also backs this move and USA can have their embassy here as their judgement

Given the choice I always travel West, never east, the USA, land and people are far better, even the racist bigots"

Now is a good time to go west. I am a regular visitor and I can tell you that the last 12 months I have never seen queues as short at immigration. Immigration queues at Philadelphia, JFK and Miami have simply evaporated.

I have no idea why this last year in the previous six has seen such a change, it is almost as if a significant number of recreational visitors are just not bothering to go at the moment. Can’t think why.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"you should also be aware the majority population of USA also backs this move and USA can have their embassy here as their judgement

Given the choice I always travel West, never east, the USA, land and people are far better, even the racist bigots

Trump voters will be pleased by that. Surely part of the appeal of voting for Trump would be lower immigration numbers as a result.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

""..............

Trump voters will be pleased by that. Surely part of the appeal of voting for Trump would be lower immigration numbers as a result. "

That is truly hilarious. Incoming tourist numbers to the USA outmumber “immigrant” arrivals by a factor of at least 100:1 probably much more. Tourist numbers amount to 70-80 million a year and new immigrants are about 1 million a year of which 600,000 are already settled there.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

""..............

Trump voters will be pleased by that. Surely part of the appeal of voting for Trump would be lower immigration numbers as a result.

You said both immigrant numbers and tourist numbers (although you also called them recreational visitors) were down in your post. Trump voters will be pleased to hear immigration numbers are down. Some Trump voters may also be pleased to hear tourist numbers (or recreational visitors) are also down. Surely this was part of the appeal to them of voting for Trump to see the numbers of people coming into the country (for what ever reason) fall.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

With the caveat that Trump voters are, of course, morons.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

So Trump made this announcement and then signed a 6 month deferral just like every US president has been signing 6 month deferrals for the last 23 years...

So to be clear Trump has made another loudmouthed non-announcement, but this time the result is Palestinians dead and injured in violent clashes with the Israeli Defence Forces in Gaza and the occupied territories. No doubt there will be Israeli casualties too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"you should also be aware the majority population of USA also backs this move and USA can have their embassy here as their judgement

Given the choice I always travel West, never east, the USA, land and people are far better, even the racist bigots

Trump voters will be pleased by that. Surely part of the appeal of voting for Trump would be lower immigration numbers as a result. "

but what I cannot fathom is, who the fck in their right mind would want to visit the US?

That really bugs me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh while were on about buffoons...i bet this slipped by a lot of people when BoJo made his Gobbles like speach... i quote

**People seem to forget we went to war with Iraq AFTER 9/11**

I was like wtf did he forget about events from 1990

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Goebbels*

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"Seeing as the entire world is run by a very few members of one family, it's not really a mystery why a business man entirely reliant on their favour would seek to do this.

It smacks entirely of self centered greed and complete and utter disregard of the political nuances of the area"

Who specifically is this family that he's working for?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"Typical replies from many in Dismay.

This will all blow over in years to come and it will be accepted,

the World will follow suit, soon other countries will also establish Embassies In Jerusalem and it will be accepted as Israel's.

Israel needs room to grow and expand. except it.

(as its going to happen regardless). "

Wrong things happening do not have to be tolerated

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Typical replies from many in Dismay.

This will all blow over in years to come and it will be accepted,

the World will follow suit, soon other countries will also establish Embassies In Jerusalem and it will be accepted as Israel's.

Israel needs room to grow and expand. except it.

(as its going to happen regardless). "

Its a bit hypocritical though isn't it.

The usa support isreal despit the illegal ocupation of Palestinian territory, while Kuwait being invaded by iraq wasnt ok.

Isreal making the gazza strip into the worlds biggest prison camp for anyone born into Palestinian citizenship, while spouting freedom

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

American hypocrisy has stirred up more crap than anything else I can think of

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's a Jewish city taken 2800 years ago from another tribe but only the descendants of David remain today claimed it from that era.Its only been 70 years since they've got it back.!

The lost control of it for 2000 years.Trump is a tiny irrelevant chapter in this beautiful cities history.Jerusalem has been destroyed at least twice, besieged 23 times, attacked 52 times, and captured and recaptured 44 times.Its well worth a visit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At this moment i wish to declare and rcognise that the capital of England is E.

It's the right thing to do and will bring peace and prosperity to this country.

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