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"Brussels good. London bad. More Orwellian nonsense from Kinky. " ???? | |||
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"Brussels good. London bad. More Orwellian nonsense from Kinky. " Might of known it Ticklybit defending the Tories grabbing back power from Holyrood. So just out of interest what is it you then tell the farmers and fishermen ? | |||
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"Its shocking the amount of people that dont care that devolved powers will go back to Westminster instead of straight back to Holyrood after the Uk leaves the EU " It's not that people do or don't care. It's more a respecting of the due and legal process. | |||
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"Its shocking the amount of people that dont care that devolved powers will go back to Westminster instead of straight back to Holyrood after the Uk leaves the EU It's not that people do or don't care. It's more a respecting of the due and legal process." Yeah ok so you quite happy to see devolved powers go straight to Westminster ? And you dont see that as a power grab ? | |||
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"Its shocking the amount of people that dont care that devolved powers will go back to Westminster instead of straight back to Holyrood after the Uk leaves the EU It's not that people do or don't care. It's more a respecting of the due and legal process. Yeah ok so you quite happy to see devolved powers go straight to Westminster ? And you dont see that as a power grab ? " I never said that. Issues still have to be solved regarding devolved powers, as and when the Brexit process evolves. | |||
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"Its shocking the amount of people that dont care that devolved powers will go back to Westminster instead of straight back to Holyrood after the Uk leaves the EU It's not that people do or don't care. It's more a respecting of the due and legal process. Yeah ok so you quite happy to see devolved powers go straight to Westminster ? And you dont see that as a power grab ? I never said that. Issues still have to be solved regarding devolved powers, as and when the Brexit process evolves. " What issues would they be ? How hard is it for devolved matters to go straight back to Holyrood ? | |||
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"Its shocking the amount of people that dont care that devolved powers will go back to Westminster instead of straight back to Holyrood after the Uk leaves the EU It's not that people do or don't care. It's more a respecting of the due and legal process. Yeah ok so you quite happy to see devolved powers go straight to Westminster ? And you dont see that as a power grab ? I never said that. Issues still have to be solved regarding devolved powers, as and when the Brexit process evolves. What issues would they be ? How hard is it for devolved matters to go straight back to Holyrood ? " I've no idea how hard it would be but the process has been agreed. Brussels to Westminster to Holyrood/Cardiff/Belfast. | |||
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"Its shocking the amount of people that dont care that devolved powers will go back to Westminster instead of straight back to Holyrood after the Uk leaves the EU It's not that people do or don't care. It's more a respecting of the due and legal process. Yeah ok so you quite happy to see devolved powers go straight to Westminster ? And you dont see that as a power grab ? I never said that. Issues still have to be solved regarding devolved powers, as and when the Brexit process evolves. What issues would they be ? How hard is it for devolved matters to go straight back to Holyrood ? I've no idea how hard it would be but the process has been agreed. Brussels to Westminster to Holyrood/Cardiff/Belfast." So you think its that hard to see powers that are already devolved to straight right back to Holyrood ? I have heard it all now lmao In your opinion do you think this is a power grab by Westminster ? Now let me remind you before any of you think its all SNP fault i think you will find Wales PM has said the very same | |||
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"OP, so we can have a little clarity on what we are actually talking about, to which bill are you referring? " Ok the EU withdrawl bill check last nights votes if you need to but all you need to know is that devolved powers will not go straight by to the devolved parilament and assembies when the UK leaves the EU Do you see that as a power grab by Westminster yes or no ? | |||
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"OP, so we can have a little clarity on what we are actually talking about, to which bill are you referring? Ok the EU withdrawl bill check last nights votes if you need to but all you need to know is that devolved powers will not go straight by to the devolved parilament and assembies when the UK leaves the EU Do you see that as a power grab by Westminster yes or no ? " So you are referring to "Restrictions around EU retained law in devolution legislation (Clause 11, Schedule 3)"? At the moment the laws that created the devolved governments in Cardiff, Edinburgh, and Belfast say that those bodies can't pass laws that are inconsistent with EU law. This ammendment now says that these restrictions are to be lifted. Those bodies will now be able to pass laws which are inconsistent with EU law. Giving them more scope to legislate. | |||
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"OP, so we can have a little clarity on what we are actually talking about, to which bill are you referring? Ok the EU withdrawl bill check last nights votes if you need to but all you need to know is that devolved powers will not go straight by to the devolved parilament and assembies when the UK leaves the EU Do you see that as a power grab by Westminster yes or no ? So you are referring to "Restrictions around EU retained law in devolution legislation (Clause 11, Schedule 3)"? At the moment the laws that created the devolved governments in Cardiff, Edinburgh, and Belfast say that those bodies can't pass laws that are inconsistent with EU law. This ammendment now says that these restrictions are to be lifted. Those bodies will now be able to pass laws which are inconsistent with EU law. Giving them more scope to legislate. " CLCC your doing it again not answering questions now if your gonna demand i answer your questions at least try and answer mine eh lol Do you see this as a power grab by Westminster yes or no ? Surely you agree devolved power should go straight back to the Edinburgh , Cardiff and Belfast ? Instead of going to Westminster for them to decide what powers they want to keep for themselves I will be honest with some people it comes across like they dont care about taking devolved powers back so Westminster can screw the other 3 countries in the UK Time to end London/ Westminster rule | |||
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"OP, so we can have a little clarity on what we are actually talking about, to which bill are you referring? Ok the EU withdrawl bill check last nights votes if you need to but all you need to know is that devolved powers will not go straight by to the devolved parilament and assembies when the UK leaves the EU Do you see that as a power grab by Westminster yes or no ? So you are referring to "Restrictions around EU retained law in devolution legislation (Clause 11, Schedule 3)"? At the moment the laws that created the devolved governments in Cardiff, Edinburgh, and Belfast say that those bodies can't pass laws that are inconsistent with EU law. This ammendment now says that these restrictions are to be lifted. Those bodies will now be able to pass laws which are inconsistent with EU law. Giving them more scope to legislate. CLCC your doing it again not answering questions now if your gonna demand i answer your questions at least try and answer mine eh lol Do you see this as a power grab by Westminster yes or no ? Surely you agree devolved power should go straight back to the Edinburgh , Cardiff and Belfast ? Instead of going to Westminster for them to decide what powers they want to keep for themselves I will be honest with some people it comes across like they dont care about taking devolved powers back so Westminster can screw the other 3 countries in the UK Time to end London/ Westminster rule " These are some of the amendments: Clause 11, page 8, line 28, at end insert— “(3A) This section shall not come into effect until— (a) the Scottish Parliament has passed a resolution approving the provisions in subsection (1); (b) the National Assembly for Wales has passed a resolution approving the provisions in subsection (2); and (c) the Northern Ireland Assembly has passed a resolution approving the provisions in subsection (3).” & Clause 11, page 7, line 16, leave out subsections (1) to (3) and insert— “(1) In section 29(2)(d) of the Scotland Act 1998 (no competence for Scottish Parliament to legislate incompatibly with EU law), omit “or with EU law”. (2) In section 108A(2)(e) of the Government of Wales Act 2006 (no competence for National Assembly for Wales to legislate incompatibly with EU law), omit “or with EU law”. (3) In section 6(2)(d) of the Northern Ireland Act (no competency for the Assembly to legislate incompatibly with EU law, omit “is incompatible with EU law.” Member’s explanatory statement This amendment removes the Bill’s proposed restrictions on the ability of the Scottish Parliament, the National Assembly for Wales and the Northern Ireland Assembly to legislate on devolved matters. As you can clearly see, these have nothing to do with greater powers for Westminister, they are giving greater powers to the devolved governments, imcreasing their legislative scope. So no, it's not a power grab by Westminster. | |||
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"OP, so we can have a little clarity on what we are actually talking about, to which bill are you referring? Ok the EU withdrawl bill check last nights votes if you need to but all you need to know is that devolved powers will not go straight by to the devolved parilament and assembies when the UK leaves the EU Do you see that as a power grab by Westminster yes or no ? So you are referring to "Restrictions around EU retained law in devolution legislation (Clause 11, Schedule 3)"? At the moment the laws that created the devolved governments in Cardiff, Edinburgh, and Belfast say that those bodies can't pass laws that are inconsistent with EU law. This ammendment now says that these restrictions are to be lifted. Those bodies will now be able to pass laws which are inconsistent with EU law. Giving them more scope to legislate. CLCC your doing it again not answering questions now if your gonna demand i answer your questions at least try and answer mine eh lol Do you see this as a power grab by Westminster yes or no ? Surely you agree devolved power should go straight back to the Edinburgh , Cardiff and Belfast ? Instead of going to Westminster for them to decide what powers they want to keep for themselves I will be honest with some people it comes across like they dont care about taking devolved powers back so Westminster can screw the other 3 countries in the UK Time to end London/ Westminster rule " It's a good job that Westminster paid the English farmers on time, as it's saved the Scottish (SNP) Goverment a £60 million fine by the EU. Didn't Miss Sturgeon promise last year, that this situation wouldn't happen again? Yet it did. | |||
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"Ok CLCC so you dont think its a power grab by Westminster so whats the problem with giving the devolved powers straight back to Holyrood eh ? If its too add powers that are not already devolved then surely its easy to give the powwrs already devolved back to Edinburgh , Cardiff and Belfast ? On that issue what powers again that is not devolved is Scotland , Wales and NI gonna get ? Remember its on record that David Mundell said Scotland will get a powers bonzana so which powers are we getting ? Let me guess you cant answer that just willing to accept the Tories are tellibg the truth lol " OP, please can you quote the specific parts of the bill that you are unhappy with. | |||
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"Ok CLCC so you dont think its a power grab by Westminster so whats the problem with giving the devolved powers straight back to Holyrood eh ? If its too add powers that are not already devolved then surely its easy to give the powwrs already devolved back to Edinburgh , Cardiff and Belfast ? On that issue what powers again that is not devolved is Scotland , Wales and NI gonna get ? Remember its on record that David Mundell said Scotland will get a powers bonzana so which powers are we getting ? Let me guess you cant answer that just willing to accept the Tories are tellibg the truth lol OP, please can you quote the specific parts of the bill that you are unhappy with." I will wait on you answering my questions thank you Tou see you cant go demanding people answer you CLCC then you dont answer them So the floor is yours to answer mine | |||
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"Ok CLCC so you dont think its a power grab by Westminster so whats the problem with giving the devolved powers straight back to Holyrood eh ? If its too add powers that are not already devolved then surely its easy to give the powwrs already devolved back to Edinburgh , Cardiff and Belfast ? On that issue what powers again that is not devolved is Scotland , Wales and NI gonna get ? Remember its on record that David Mundell said Scotland will get a powers bonzana so which powers are we getting ? Let me guess you cant answer that just willing to accept the Tories are tellibg the truth lol OP, please can you quote the specific parts of the bill that you are unhappy with. I will wait on you answering my questions thank you Tou see you cant go demanding people answer you CLCC then you dont answer them So the floor is yours to answer mine " I have answered your previous question on "is this a power grab by Westminster" by quoting you the text of the bill. It proved the polar opposite. It shows greater powers going to the devolved institutions. Your current set of questions don't make any sense, that's why I am asking you to quote the parts of the bill that you are unhappy with. | |||
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"Ok CLCC so you dont think its a power grab by Westminster so whats the problem with giving the devolved powers straight back to Holyrood eh ? If its too add powers that are not already devolved then surely its easy to give the powwrs already devolved back to Edinburgh , Cardiff and Belfast ? On that issue what powers again that is not devolved is Scotland , Wales and NI gonna get ? Remember its on record that David Mundell said Scotland will get a powers bonzana so which powers are we getting ? Let me guess you cant answer that just willing to accept the Tories are tellibg the truth lol OP, please can you quote the specific parts of the bill that you are unhappy with. I will wait on you answering my questions thank you Tou see you cant go demanding people answer you CLCC then you dont answer them So the floor is yours to answer mine I have answered your previous question on "is this a power grab by Westminster" by quoting you the text of the bill. It proved the polar opposite. It shows greater powers going to the devolved institutions. Your current set of questions don't make any sense, that's why I am asking you to quote the parts of the bill that you are unhappy with." Nope check above you do see question marks right ? So go back and make sure all are answered If they are too hard to answer just say lol | |||
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"Ok you want me too make it more easy for you CLCC You said it about giving powers to Holyrood so which powers is Holyrood going to get that is not already devolved ? Mundell said a powers bonzana will be given to to Scotland so which powers would they be ? " I have already told you above, and I have already quoted the bill above. At the moment, UK law has to align with EU law, that includes laws written by the Scottish, Welsh and NI governments. The amendments which you have referred to, allow the Scottish, Welsh and NI governments to, in the future, write laws that do not align with EU laws. If we leave the EU, it doesn't make sense to limit the powers of the devolved governments to align with the EU. That wouldn't be needed. I do not know to what powers Mundell was referring. Happy now? Both questions answered. | |||
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"Ok you want me too make it more easy for you CLCC You said it about giving powers to Holyrood so which powers is Holyrood going to get that is not already devolved ? Mundell said a powers bonzana will be given to to Scotland so which powers would they be ? I have already told you above, and I have already quoted the bill above. At the moment, UK law has to align with EU law, that includes laws written by the Scottish, Welsh and NI governments. The amendments which you have referred to, allow the Scottish, Welsh and NI governments to, in the future, write laws that do not align with EU laws. If we leave the EU, it doesn't make sense to limit the powers of the devolved governments to align with the EU. That wouldn't be needed. I do not know to what powers Mundell was referring. Happy now? Both questions answered." Right then come back to me when you so know eh lol So in all its a power grab of devolved powers as there should be no issue to give the devolved powers straight back to Edinburgh ,Cardiff and Belfast All that is needed is to give this powers bonzana of powers that is not devolved as of yet CLCC can you be sure like 100% that westminster will not try and take devolved powers away ? Really gonna defend the Tories ? | |||
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"Ok you want me too make it more easy for you CLCC You said it about giving powers to Holyrood so which powers is Holyrood going to get that is not already devolved ? Mundell said a powers bonzana will be given to to Scotland so which powers would they be ? I have already told you above, and I have already quoted the bill above. At the moment, UK law has to align with EU law, that includes laws written by the Scottish, Welsh and NI governments. The amendments which you have referred to, allow the Scottish, Welsh and NI governments to, in the future, write laws that do not align with EU laws. If we leave the EU, it doesn't make sense to limit the powers of the devolved governments to align with the EU. That wouldn't be needed. I do not know to what powers Mundell was referring. Happy now? Both questions answered. Right then come back to me when you so know eh lol So in all its a power grab of devolved powers as there should be no issue to give the devolved powers straight back to Edinburgh ,Cardiff and Belfast All that is needed is to give this powers bonzana of powers that is not devolved as of yet CLCC can you be sure like 100% that westminster will not try and take devolved powers away ? Really gonna defend the Tories ?" Devolved powers are the powers given from Westminster to the Scottish Parliament, Welsh Assembly, and Northern Ireland Assembly. That's it. Devolved Powers doesn't refer to anything else. No devolved powers have been "taken away" so they can't be "given back". We have a unitary system of government in which parliament is supreme. We do not have a federal system in which the responsibilities of the devolved governments are codified into a single constitution. Therefore, at any time, all that is needed to ammend the powers of the devolved government (more or less powers), or indeed disolve the devolved institutions entirely, is a simple majority in parliament. I know that that will come as an outrageous shock to you and upset you deeply, but it is the truth. Parliament is supreme. That's what that means. | |||
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"Ok you want me too make it more easy for you CLCC You said it about giving powers to Holyrood so which powers is Holyrood going to get that is not already devolved ? Mundell said a powers bonzana will be given to to Scotland so which powers would they be ? I have already told you above, and I have already quoted the bill above. At the moment, UK law has to align with EU law, that includes laws written by the Scottish, Welsh and NI governments. The amendments which you have referred to, allow the Scottish, Welsh and NI governments to, in the future, write laws that do not align with EU laws. If we leave the EU, it doesn't make sense to limit the powers of the devolved governments to align with the EU. That wouldn't be needed. I do not know to what powers Mundell was referring. Happy now? Both questions answered. Right then come back to me when you so know eh lol So in all its a power grab of devolved powers as there should be no issue to give the devolved powers straight back to Edinburgh ,Cardiff and Belfast All that is needed is to give this powers bonzana of powers that is not devolved as of yet CLCC can you be sure like 100% that westminster will not try and take devolved powers away ? Really gonna defend the Tories ? Devolved powers are the powers given from Westminster to the Scottish Parliament, Welsh Assembly, and Northern Ireland Assembly. That's it. Devolved Powers doesn't refer to anything else. No devolved powers have been "taken away" so they can't be "given back". We have a unitary system of government in which parliament is supreme. We do not have a federal system in which the responsibilities of the devolved governments are codified into a single constitution. Therefore, at any time, all that is needed to ammend the powers of the devolved government (more or less powers), or indeed disolve the devolved institutions entirely, is a simple majority in parliament. I know that that will come as an outrageous shock to you and upset you deeply, but it is the truth. Parliament is supreme. That's what that means. " So you consider Holyrood as a wee joke parilament then ? So its ok to think the Uk parilament can take back powers when it wants too ? You really dont have a clue So when the powers come back from EU to Uk are you trying to say devovled powers are not heading to Westmister but are heading straight to Holyrood ? Lol | |||
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"Ok you want me too make it more easy for you CLCC You said it about giving powers to Holyrood so which powers is Holyrood going to get that is not already devolved ? Mundell said a powers bonzana will be given to to Scotland so which powers would they be ? I have already told you above, and I have already quoted the bill above. At the moment, UK law has to align with EU law, that includes laws written by the Scottish, Welsh and NI governments. The amendments which you have referred to, allow the Scottish, Welsh and NI governments to, in the future, write laws that do not align with EU laws. If we leave the EU, it doesn't make sense to limit the powers of the devolved governments to align with the EU. That wouldn't be needed. I do not know to what powers Mundell was referring. Happy now? Both questions answered. Right then come back to me when you so know eh lol So in all its a power grab of devolved powers as there should be no issue to give the devolved powers straight back to Edinburgh ,Cardiff and Belfast All that is needed is to give this powers bonzana of powers that is not devolved as of yet CLCC can you be sure like 100% that westminster will not try and take devolved powers away ? Really gonna defend the Tories ? Devolved powers are the powers given from Westminster to the Scottish Parliament, Welsh Assembly, and Northern Ireland Assembly. That's it. Devolved Powers doesn't refer to anything else. No devolved powers have been "taken away" so they can't be "given back". We have a unitary system of government in which parliament is supreme. We do not have a federal system in which the responsibilities of the devolved governments are codified into a single constitution. Therefore, at any time, all that is needed to ammend the powers of the devolved government (more or less powers), or indeed disolve the devolved institutions entirely, is a simple majority in parliament. I know that that will come as an outrageous shock to you and upset you deeply, but it is the truth. Parliament is supreme. That's what that means. So you consider Holyrood as a wee joke parilament then ? So its ok to think the Uk parilament can take back powers when it wants too ? You really dont have a clue So when the powers come back from EU to Uk are you trying to say devovled powers are not heading to Westmister but are heading straight to Holyrood ? Lol " I haven't called the Scottish Parliament a joke parliament, I'm telling you how our system works. It was created by an act of Parliament and it can be dissolved by an act of Parliament. That's what it means when people say that Parliament is sovereign. Again, I never said it was OK, or that it wasn't, I am just explaining how our system works. I really do have a clue, I've studied it in depth and have the qualifications to prove it. Can you say the same? There are no devolved powers to the EU. Devolved powers go from a higher institution to a lower institution. That's not was happens with the EU. With the EU, Westminster has "conferred" powers to the EU. When/if we leave the EU, these conferred powers will return to Westminster. These are powers that have never been devolved, as the EU is older than the Scottish Parliament, the Welsh Assembly and the NI Assembly. Westminister may decide to keep these powers at Westminster, or they may decide to devolve them. I find it very interesting that a nationalist who wants an independent Scotland within the EU, is so concerned about these currently conferred powers being devolved. In your previous posts on other threads, you have at times said that Scotland would not actually leave the EU. That Scotland will have a referendum, leave the UK, and instantly join the EU without a single day outside of the European Union. If you truely believe that to be the case, then you would not be concerned about the powers being devolved. They would continuously remain with the EU, seamlessly transitioning from a conferred power of the UK, to a conferred power of Scotland. The fact that you are concerned about it shows that you believe Scotland will leave the EU. | |||
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"Its shocking the amount of people that dont care that devolved powers will go back to Westminster instead of straight back to Holyrood after the Uk leaves the EU It's not that people do or don't care. It's more a respecting of the due and legal process." Which was backed up by the UK Supreme court in the Gina Miller court case last December. The UK Supreme court ruled that EU matters are not devolved matters and it was the UK government in Westminster that took us into the EU in the 1970's, therefore only the UK government can take us out of the EU now. The devolved Parliaments don't get a say in it. Powers will come back from the EU to Westminster when we leave the EU, then it's upto Westminster to devolve any of those powers to the devolved parliaments. The Supreme court made this very clear as a point of law. I wonder if the OP respects the rule of law and respects the ruling of the Supreme court? | |||
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"Its shocking the amount of people that dont care that devolved powers will go back to Westminster instead of straight back to Holyrood after the Uk leaves the EU It's not that people do or don't care. It's more a respecting of the due and legal process. Which was backed up by the UK Supreme court in the Gina Miller court case last December. The UK Supreme court ruled that EU matters are not devolved matters and it was the UK government in Westminster that took us into the EU in the 1970's, therefore only the UK government can take us out of the EU now. The devolved Parliaments don't get a say in it. Powers will come back from the EU to Westminster when we leave the EU, then it's upto Westminster to devolve any of those powers to the devolved parliaments. The Supreme court made this very clear as a point of law. I wonder if the OP respects the rule of law and respects the ruling of the Supreme court? "You seem very happy that Westminster will take back powers that are already devolved to Holyrood. That is a breach of the Scotland act 1998 Why should Westminster get to decide which powers Scotland can get of the already devolved powers ? Fucking UK dictatorship!!!! Makes me sixk to be part of this fucked up so called family of nations You either start to respect Scotland ir face losing Scotland and the break up of the UK | |||
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"Its shocking the amount of people that dont care that devolved powers will go back to Westminster instead of straight back to Holyrood after the Uk leaves the EU It's not that people do or don't care. It's more a respecting of the due and legal process. Which was backed up by the UK Supreme court in the Gina Miller court case last December. The UK Supreme court ruled that EU matters are not devolved matters and it was the UK government in Westminster that took us into the EU in the 1970's, therefore only the UK government can take us out of the EU now. The devolved Parliaments don't get a say in it. Powers will come back from the EU to Westminster when we leave the EU, then it's upto Westminster to devolve any of those powers to the devolved parliaments. The Supreme court made this very clear as a point of law. I wonder if the OP respects the rule of law and respects the ruling of the Supreme court?
You seem very happy that Westminster will take back powers that are already devolved to Holyrood.
That is a breach of the Scotland act 1998
Why should Westminster get to decide which powers Scotland can get of the already devolved powers ?
Fucking UK dictatorship!!!! Makes me sixk to be part of this fucked up so called family of nations
You either start to respect Scotland ir face losing Scotland and the break up of the UK "Kinky... you honestly haven't a clue as to what you're actually arguing about | |||
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" Kinky... you honestly haven't a clue as to what you're actually arguing about" They never do! | |||
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"Its shocking the amount of people that dont care that devolved powers will go back to Westminster instead of straight back to Holyrood after the Uk leaves the EU It's not that people do or don't care. It's more a respecting of the due and legal process. Which was backed up by the UK Supreme court in the Gina Miller court case last December. The UK Supreme court ruled that EU matters are not devolved matters and it was the UK government in Westminster that took us into the EU in the 1970's, therefore only the UK government can take us out of the EU now. The devolved Parliaments don't get a say in it. Powers will come back from the EU to Westminster when we leave the EU, then it's upto Westminster to devolve any of those powers to the devolved parliaments. The Supreme court made this very clear as a point of law. I wonder if the OP respects the rule of law and respects the ruling of the Supreme court?
You seem very happy that Westminster will take back powers that are already devolved to Holyrood.
That is a breach of the Scotland act 1998
Why should Westminster get to decide which powers Scotland can get of the already devolved powers ?
Fucking UK dictatorship!!!! Makes me sixk to be part of this fucked up so called family of nations
You either start to respect Scotland ir face losing Scotland and the break up of the UK
Kinky... you honestly haven't a clue as to what you're actually arguing about"No i do know I see what is happening unionists think its ok for another countries government to overrule 3 other countries devolved powers Would you all be saying the same if Westminster take any of those devolved powers and keep them in London ? Or is that fine to screw over Scotland Wales and NI ? | |||
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"Government have majority of 26 on Amendment 72. Devolved governments will have no say on devolved matters All that has done is screwed the fishermen and Farmers in Scotland and Wales and N.Ireland Some fucking union this really is eh where is this family of nations i keep hearing about " How did you feel about Scottish MPs voting on English matters? | |||
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"Government have majority of 26 on Amendment 72. Devolved governments will have no say on devolved matters All that has done is screwed the fishermen and Farmers in Scotland and Wales and N.Ireland Some fucking union this really is eh where is this family of nations i keep hearing about How did you feel about Scottish MPs voting on English matters?" I see someone has wither forgot about EVEL or does not understand EVEL Now same question to you how do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? | |||
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" Kinky... you honestly haven't a clue as to what you're actually arguing about They never do! Hell I admire your stamina. "They are so misinformed its funny  | |||
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" Kinky... you honestly haven't a clue as to what you're actually arguing about They never do! Hell I admire your stamina.
They are so misinformed its funny "Yeah CLCC is sure is funny as hell the amount of people down south that dont know alot about Scotland and the other way they get news on Scotland is throught the MSM which tells you alot of lies | |||
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" Kinky... you honestly haven't a clue as to what you're actually arguing about They never do! Hell I admire your stamina.
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Yeah CLCC is sure is funny as hell the amount of people down south that dont know alot about Scotland and the other way they get news on Scotland is throught the MSM which tells you alot of lies "The vast majority of the stuff I explain to you is not from the media, it's just explaining the constitutional make up of this country. Maybe if you read a text book or two you would have a better understanding and then the stuff you read in the media might actually make sense to you. | |||
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"Government have majority of 26 on Amendment 72. Devolved governments will have no say on devolved matters All that has done is screwed the fishermen and Farmers in Scotland and Wales and N.Ireland Some fucking union this really is eh where is this family of nations i keep hearing about How did you feel about Scottish MPs voting on English matters? I see someone has wither forgot about EVEL or does not understand EVEL Now same question to you how do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? " So, answer my question first - how did you feel about Scottish MPs voting in Westminster on English Issues - The 'West Lothian Question'? Were you OK about that? | |||
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"Government have majority of 26 on Amendment 72. Devolved governments will have no say on devolved matters All that has done is screwed the fishermen and Farmers in Scotland and Wales and N.Ireland Some fucking union this really is eh where is this family of nations i keep hearing about How did you feel about Scottish MPs voting on English matters? I see someone has wither forgot about EVEL or does not understand EVEL Now same question to you how do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? So, answer my question first - how did you feel about Scottish MPs voting in Westminster on English Issues - The 'West Lothian Question'? Were you OK about that?" ''WERE'' So is that you saying you agree with me that Scottish mp's are banned from voting on English matters ? You know that think called Engish votes for English laws lol So do you mean before EVEl came into play ? | |||
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"Government have majority of 26 on Amendment 72. Devolved governments will have no say on devolved matters All that has done is screwed the fishermen and Farmers in Scotland and Wales and N.Ireland Some fucking union this really is eh where is this family of nations i keep hearing about How did you feel about Scottish MPs voting on English matters? I see someone has wither forgot about EVEL or does not understand EVEL Now same question to you how do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? So, answer my question first - how did you feel about Scottish MPs voting in Westminster on English Issues - The 'West Lothian Question'? Were you OK about that? ''WERE'' So is that you saying you agree with me that Scottish mp's are banned from voting on English matters ? You know that think called Engish votes for English laws lol So do you mean before EVEl came into play ? " Yes - between 1977 and 2015 (I think). How did you feel about it? | |||
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"Government have majority of 26 on Amendment 72. Devolved governments will have no say on devolved matters All that has done is screwed the fishermen and Farmers in Scotland and Wales and N.Ireland Some fucking union this really is eh where is this family of nations i keep hearing about How did you feel about Scottish MPs voting on English matters? I see someone has wither forgot about EVEL or does not understand EVEL Now same question to you how do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? So, answer my question first - how did you feel about Scottish MPs voting in Westminster on English Issues - The 'West Lothian Question'? Were you OK about that? ''WERE'' So is that you saying you agree with me that Scottish mp's are banned from voting on English matters ? You know that think called Engish votes for English laws lol So do you mean before EVEl came into play ? Yes - between 1977 and 2015 (I think). How did you feel about it? " Ok well i hope you know much of Scotland's budget for public services is funded by a "block grant" which is based on how much is spent on the equivalent services in England So if the English NHS has cuts it will effect the Scottish NHS correct ? So our Scottish mps are only voting to making sure no cuts effect Scottish NHS Which btw i dont know if you know this is the best performing NHS in the UK and if you dont believe me might wanna ask the Nuffield trust who said the English NHS could learn a thing or two by coping the Scottish NHS | |||
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"actually kinky....CCLC did answer your question, but youare just working in talking points obviosuly parroted from other sites... so could you answer their questions now, which part of the bill were you unhappy with...." Really ? Can you show me his answer to these questions i cant find them lol You said it about giving powers to Holyrood so which powers is Holyrood going to get that is not already devolved ? Mundell said a powers bonzana will be given to to Scotland so which powers would they be ? | |||
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"Government have majority of 26 on Amendment 72. Devolved governments will have no say on devolved matters All that has done is screwed the fishermen and Farmers in Scotland and Wales and N.Ireland Some fucking union this really is eh where is this family of nations i keep hearing about How did you feel about Scottish MPs voting on English matters? I see someone has wither forgot about EVEL or does not understand EVEL Now same question to you how do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? So, answer my question first - how did you feel about Scottish MPs voting in Westminster on English Issues - The 'West Lothian Question'? Were you OK about that? ''WERE'' So is that you saying you agree with me that Scottish mp's are banned from voting on English matters ? You know that think called Engish votes for English laws lol So do you mean before EVEl came into play ? Yes - between 1977 and 2015 (I think). How did you feel about it? Ok well i hope you know much of Scotland's budget for public services is funded by a "block grant" which is based on how much is spent on the equivalent services in England So if the English NHS has cuts it will effect the Scottish NHS correct ? So our Scottish mps are only voting to making sure no cuts effect Scottish NHS Which btw i dont know if you know this is the best performing NHS in the UK and if you dont believe me might wanna ask the Nuffield trust who said the English NHS could learn a thing or two by coping the Scottish NHS " You still haven't answered the question! Scottish MPs were, until about 2015, able to vote on issues that only affected England...how did you feel about that at the time? Is that really too hard a question for you to understand? | |||
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"Government have majority of 26 on Amendment 72. Devolved governments will have no say on devolved matters All that has done is screwed the fishermen and Farmers in Scotland and Wales and N.Ireland Some fucking union this really is eh where is this family of nations i keep hearing about How did you feel about Scottish MPs voting on English matters? I see someone has wither forgot about EVEL or does not understand EVEL Now same question to you how do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? So, answer my question first - how did you feel about Scottish MPs voting in Westminster on English Issues - The 'West Lothian Question'? Were you OK about that? ''WERE'' So is that you saying you agree with me that Scottish mp's are banned from voting on English matters ? You know that think called Engish votes for English laws lol So do you mean before EVEl came into play ? Yes - between 1977 and 2015 (I think). How did you feel about it? Ok well i hope you know much of Scotland's budget for public services is funded by a "block grant" which is based on how much is spent on the equivalent services in England So if the English NHS has cuts it will effect the Scottish NHS correct ? So our Scottish mps are only voting to making sure no cuts effect Scottish NHS Which btw i dont know if you know this is the best performing NHS in the UK and if you dont believe me might wanna ask the Nuffield trust who said the English NHS could learn a thing or two by coping the Scottish NHS You still haven't answered the question! Scottish MPs were, until about 2015, able to vote on issues that only affected England...how did you feel about that at the time? Is that really too hard a question for you to understand?" No i did answer here just to help you out ''So our Scottish mps are only voting to making sure no cuts effect Scottish NHS'' Is it now classed as wrong to vote on something that will end up effecting our Scottish NHS ? The lack of you telling me am wrong that if the English NHS has cuts it will effect the Scottish NHS proves am right on that issue Do you not want Scottish mp's standing up and voting to protect our NHS in Scotland from facing cuts ? Anyway EVEL is ineffect so what is your point ? Now could you answer mine now Now same question to you how do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? | |||
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"Government have majority of 26 on Amendment 72. Devolved governments will have no say on devolved matters All that has done is screwed the fishermen and Farmers in Scotland and Wales and N.Ireland Some fucking union this really is eh where is this family of nations i keep hearing about How did you feel about Scottish MPs voting on English matters? I see someone has wither forgot about EVEL or does not understand EVEL Now same question to you how do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? So, answer my question first - how did you feel about Scottish MPs voting in Westminster on English Issues - The 'West Lothian Question'? Were you OK about that? ''WERE'' So is that you saying you agree with me that Scottish mp's are banned from voting on English matters ? You know that think called Engish votes for English laws lol So do you mean before EVEl came into play ? Yes - between 1977 and 2015 (I think). How did you feel about it? Ok well i hope you know much of Scotland's budget for public services is funded by a "block grant" which is based on how much is spent on the equivalent services in England So if the English NHS has cuts it will effect the Scottish NHS correct ? So our Scottish mps are only voting to making sure no cuts effect Scottish NHS Which btw i dont know if you know this is the best performing NHS in the UK and if you dont believe me might wanna ask the Nuffield trust who said the English NHS could learn a thing or two by coping the Scottish NHS You still haven't answered the question! Scottish MPs were, until about 2015, able to vote on issues that only affected England...how did you feel about that at the time? Is that really too hard a question for you to understand? No i did answer here just to help you out ''So our Scottish mps are only voting to making sure no cuts effect Scottish NHS'' Is it now classed as wrong to vote on something that will end up effecting our Scottish NHS ? The lack of you telling me am wrong that if the English NHS has cuts it will effect the Scottish NHS proves am right on that issue Do you not want Scottish mp's standing up and voting to protect our NHS in Scotland from facing cuts ? Anyway EVEL is ineffect so what is your point ? Now could you answer mine now Now same question to you how do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ?" Scottish MPs in the UK Parliament were able to vote on any issue that affected England only.....not just the NHS. They were able to do this right up until 2015. My point is to ask how you felt about that? Were you as disgusted by that as you are now? Did you voice that disgust to anyone? Or did you think, "it's a UK parliament, so Scottish MPs can vote on what they want - and bollocks to England"? | |||
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"Government have majority of 26 on Amendment 72. Devolved governments will have no say on devolved matters All that has done is screwed the fishermen and Farmers in Scotland and Wales and N.Ireland Some fucking union this really is eh where is this family of nations i keep hearing about How did you feel about Scottish MPs voting on English matters? I see someone has wither forgot about EVEL or does not understand EVEL Now same question to you how do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? So, answer my question first - how did you feel about Scottish MPs voting in Westminster on English Issues - The 'West Lothian Question'? Were you OK about that? ''WERE'' So is that you saying you agree with me that Scottish mp's are banned from voting on English matters ? You know that think called Engish votes for English laws lol So do you mean before EVEl came into play ? Yes - between 1977 and 2015 (I think). How did you feel about it? Ok well i hope you know much of Scotland's budget for public services is funded by a "block grant" which is based on how much is spent on the equivalent services in England So if the English NHS has cuts it will effect the Scottish NHS correct ? So our Scottish mps are only voting to making sure no cuts effect Scottish NHS Which btw i dont know if you know this is the best performing NHS in the UK and if you dont believe me might wanna ask the Nuffield trust who said the English NHS could learn a thing or two by coping the Scottish NHS You still haven't answered the question! Scottish MPs were, until about 2015, able to vote on issues that only affected England...how did you feel about that at the time? Is that really too hard a question for you to understand? No i did answer here just to help you out ''So our Scottish mps are only voting to making sure no cuts effect Scottish NHS'' Is it now classed as wrong to vote on something that will end up effecting our Scottish NHS ? The lack of you telling me am wrong that if the English NHS has cuts it will effect the Scottish NHS proves am right on that issue Do you not want Scottish mp's standing up and voting to protect our NHS in Scotland from facing cuts ? Anyway EVEL is ineffect so what is your point ? Now could you answer mine now Now same question to you how do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? Scottish MPs in the UK Parliament were able to vote on any issue that affected England only.....not just the NHS. They were able to do this right up until 2015. My point is to ask how you felt about that? Were you as disgusted by that as you are now? Did you voice that disgust to anyone? Or did you think, "it's a UK parliament, so Scottish MPs can vote on what they want - and bollocks to England"?" I am right though arent i ? When i said that if English NHS has cuts it will effect the Scottish NHS correct ? So like i asked do you not want Scottish mp's standing up and voting to stop cuts onto the Scottish NHS ? Now that i have answered yours Can you now answer my question that i asked you first of Here is a reminder of that question How do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? | |||
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"It's always the "English" with this one. " Oh is that the anti English pish coming out again wondered when that shit was gonna come out lol Not biting sorry I have no problem with English people and have English family love them to bits I think you will find its the corrupt Westminster i have a big problem with and want to see the end of Westminster rule cheerio You may love Westminster and it screwing Scotland , Wales and N.Ireland but i dont | |||
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"actually kinky....CCLC did answer your question, but youare just working in talking points obviosuly parroted from other sites... so could you answer their questions now, which part of the bill were you unhappy with.... Really ? Can you show me his answer to these questions i cant find them lol You said it about giving powers to Holyrood so which powers is Holyrood going to get that is not already devolved ? Mundell said a powers bonzana will be given to to Scotland so which powers would they be ?" Why do you keep asking the same question over and over and over again? Here is my answer AGAIN. "I have already told you above, and I have already quoted the bill above. At the moment, UK law has to align with EU law, that includes laws written by the Scottish, Welsh and NI governments. The amendments which you have referred to, allow the Scottish, Welsh and NI governments to, in the future, write laws that do not align with EU laws. If we leave the EU, it doesn't make sense to limit the powers of the devolved governments to align with the EU. That wouldn't be needed. I do not know to what powers Mundell was referring. Happy now? Both questions answered." Don't ask me the same question again. I won't answer it a third time. | |||
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"Government have majority of 26 on Amendment 72. Devolved governments will have no say on devolved matters All that has done is screwed the fishermen and Farmers in Scotland and Wales and N.Ireland Some fucking union this really is eh where is this family of nations i keep hearing about How did you feel about Scottish MPs voting on English matters? I see someone has wither forgot about EVEL or does not understand EVEL Now same question to you how do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? So, answer my question first - how did you feel about Scottish MPs voting in Westminster on English Issues - The 'West Lothian Question'? Were you OK about that? ''WERE'' So is that you saying you agree with me that Scottish mp's are banned from voting on English matters ? You know that think called Engish votes for English laws lol So do you mean before EVEl came into play ? Yes - between 1977 and 2015 (I think). How did you feel about it? Ok well i hope you know much of Scotland's budget for public services is funded by a "block grant" which is based on how much is spent on the equivalent services in England So if the English NHS has cuts it will effect the Scottish NHS correct ? So our Scottish mps are only voting to making sure no cuts effect Scottish NHS Which btw i dont know if you know this is the best performing NHS in the UK and if you dont believe me might wanna ask the Nuffield trust who said the English NHS could learn a thing or two by coping the Scottish NHS You still haven't answered the question! Scottish MPs were, until about 2015, able to vote on issues that only affected England...how did you feel about that at the time? Is that really too hard a question for you to understand? No i did answer here just to help you out ''So our Scottish mps are only voting to making sure no cuts effect Scottish NHS'' Is it now classed as wrong to vote on something that will end up effecting our Scottish NHS ? The lack of you telling me am wrong that if the English NHS has cuts it will effect the Scottish NHS proves am right on that issue Do you not want Scottish mp's standing up and voting to protect our NHS in Scotland from facing cuts ? Anyway EVEL is ineffect so what is your point ? Now could you answer mine now Now same question to you how do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? Scottish MPs in the UK Parliament were able to vote on any issue that affected England only.....not just the NHS. They were able to do this right up until 2015. My point is to ask how you felt about that? Were you as disgusted by that as you are now? Did you voice that disgust to anyone? Or did you think, "it's a UK parliament, so Scottish MPs can vote on what they want - and bollocks to England"? I am right though arent i ? When i said that if English NHS has cuts it will effect the Scottish NHS correct ? So like i asked do you not want Scottish mp's standing up and voting to stop cuts onto the Scottish NHS ? Now that i have answered yours Can you now answer my question that i asked you first of Here is a reminder of that question How do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ?" No, you haven't answered the question. And you didn't ask your question first. The question is this.... Scottish MPs were, until about 2015, able to vote on issues that only affected England...how did you feel about that at the time? I then went on to further explain the question to you by asking Were you as disgusted by that as you are now? Did you voice that disgust to anyone? Or did you think, "it's a UK parliament, so Scottish MPs can vote on what they want - and bollocks to England"? I'm sorry, but I can't get all the words down to one syllable. | |||
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"Government have majority of 26 on Amendment 72. Devolved governments will have no say on devolved matters All that has done is screwed the fishermen and Farmers in Scotland and Wales and N.Ireland Some fucking union this really is eh where is this family of nations i keep hearing about How did you feel about Scottish MPs voting on English matters? I see someone has wither forgot about EVEL or does not understand EVEL Now same question to you how do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? So, answer my question first - how did you feel about Scottish MPs voting in Westminster on English Issues - The 'West Lothian Question'? Were you OK about that? ''WERE'' So is that you saying you agree with me that Scottish mp's are banned from voting on English matters ? You know that think called Engish votes for English laws lol So do you mean before EVEl came into play ? Yes - between 1977 and 2015 (I think). How did you feel about it? Ok well i hope you know much of Scotland's budget for public services is funded by a "block grant" which is based on how much is spent on the equivalent services in England So if the English NHS has cuts it will effect the Scottish NHS correct ? So our Scottish mps are only voting to making sure no cuts effect Scottish NHS Which btw i dont know if you know this is the best performing NHS in the UK and if you dont believe me might wanna ask the Nuffield trust who said the English NHS could learn a thing or two by coping the Scottish NHS You still haven't answered the question! Scottish MPs were, until about 2015, able to vote on issues that only affected England...how did you feel about that at the time? Is that really too hard a question for you to understand? No i did answer here just to help you out ''So our Scottish mps are only voting to making sure no cuts effect Scottish NHS'' Is it now classed as wrong to vote on something that will end up effecting our Scottish NHS ? The lack of you telling me am wrong that if the English NHS has cuts it will effect the Scottish NHS proves am right on that issue Do you not want Scottish mp's standing up and voting to protect our NHS in Scotland from facing cuts ? Anyway EVEL is ineffect so what is your point ? Now could you answer mine now Now same question to you how do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? Scottish MPs in the UK Parliament were able to vote on any issue that affected England only.....not just the NHS. They were able to do this right up until 2015. My point is to ask how you felt about that? Were you as disgusted by that as you are now? Did you voice that disgust to anyone? Or did you think, "it's a UK parliament, so Scottish MPs can vote on what they want - and bollocks to England"? I am right though arent i ? When i said that if English NHS has cuts it will effect the Scottish NHS correct ? So like i asked do you not want Scottish mp's standing up and voting to stop cuts onto the Scottish NHS ? Now that i have answered yours Can you now answer my question that i asked you first of Here is a reminder of that question How do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? No, you haven't answered the question. And you didn't ask your question first. The question is this.... Scottish MPs were, until about 2015, able to vote on issues that only affected England...how did you feel about that at the time? I then went on to further explain the question to you by asking Were you as disgusted by that as you are now? Did you voice that disgust to anyone? Or did you think, "it's a UK parliament, so Scottish MPs can vote on what they want - and bollocks to England"? I'm sorry, but I can't get all the words down to one syllable. " '' So our Scottish mps were only voting to making sure no cuts effect Scottish NHS'' there is your answer Are you saying that our Scottish MP's should not have voted to make sure no cuts effects our NHS in Scotland ? Please tell me your not saying you want cuts onto the Scottish NHS ? So the floor is yours now to answer mine. How do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? Once you answer mine i shall answer your other questions | |||
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"actually kinky....CCLC did answer your question, but youare just working in talking points obviosuly parroted from other sites... so could you answer their questions now, which part of the bill were you unhappy with.... Really ? Can you show me his answer to these questions i cant find them lol You said it about giving powers to Holyrood so which powers is Holyrood going to get that is not already devolved ? Mundell said a powers bonzana will be given to to Scotland so which powers would they be ? Why do you keep asking the same question over and over and over again? Here is my answer AGAIN. I have already told you above, and I have already quoted the bill above. At the moment, UK law has to align with EU law, that includes laws written by the Scottish, Welsh and NI governments. The amendments which you have referred to, allow the Scottish, Welsh and NI governments to, in the future, write laws that do not align with EU laws. If we leave the EU, it doesn't make sense to limit the powers of the devolved governments to align with the EU. That wouldn't be needed. I do not know to what powers Mundell was referring. Happy now? Both questions answered. Don't ask me the same question again. I won't answer it a third time. " Ok CLCC I will let you off with one as you did say you dont know what Mundell is refering to in the powers bonzana fair enough But i didnt see you answer this You said it about giving powers to Holyrood so which powers is Holyrood going to get that is not already devolved ? Lol | |||
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"Government have majority of 26 on Amendment 72. Devolved governments will have no say on devolved matters All that has done is screwed the fishermen and Farmers in Scotland and Wales and N.Ireland Some fucking union this really is eh where is this family of nations i keep hearing about How did you feel about Scottish MPs voting on English matters? I see someone has wither forgot about EVEL or does not understand EVEL Now same question to you how do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? So, answer my question first - how did you feel about Scottish MPs voting in Westminster on English Issues - The 'West Lothian Question'? Were you OK about that? ''WERE'' So is that you saying you agree with me that Scottish mp's are banned from voting on English matters ? You know that think called Engish votes for English laws lol So do you mean before EVEl came into play ? Yes - between 1977 and 2015 (I think). How did you feel about it? Ok well i hope you know much of Scotland's budget for public services is funded by a "block grant" which is based on how much is spent on the equivalent services in England So if the English NHS has cuts it will effect the Scottish NHS correct ? So our Scottish mps are only voting to making sure no cuts effect Scottish NHS Which btw i dont know if you know this is the best performing NHS in the UK and if you dont believe me might wanna ask the Nuffield trust who said the English NHS could learn a thing or two by coping the Scottish NHS You still haven't answered the question! Scottish MPs were, until about 2015, able to vote on issues that only affected England...how did you feel about that at the time? Is that really too hard a question for you to understand? No i did answer here just to help you out ''So our Scottish mps are only voting to making sure no cuts effect Scottish NHS'' Is it now classed as wrong to vote on something that will end up effecting our Scottish NHS ? The lack of you telling me am wrong that if the English NHS has cuts it will effect the Scottish NHS proves am right on that issue Do you not want Scottish mp's standing up and voting to protect our NHS in Scotland from facing cuts ? Anyway EVEL is ineffect so what is your point ? Now could you answer mine now Now same question to you how do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? Scottish MPs in the UK Parliament were able to vote on any issue that affected England only.....not just the NHS. They were able to do this right up until 2015. My point is to ask how you felt about that? Were you as disgusted by that as you are now? Did you voice that disgust to anyone? Or did you think, "it's a UK parliament, so Scottish MPs can vote on what they want - and bollocks to England"? I am right though arent i ? When i said that if English NHS has cuts it will effect the Scottish NHS correct ? So like i asked do you not want Scottish mp's standing up and voting to stop cuts onto the Scottish NHS ? Now that i have answered yours Can you now answer my question that i asked you first of Here is a reminder of that question How do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? No, you haven't answered the question. And you didn't ask your question first. The question is this.... Scottish MPs were, until about 2015, able to vote on issues that only affected England...how did you feel about that at the time? I then went on to further explain the question to you by asking Were you as disgusted by that as you are now? Did you voice that disgust to anyone? Or did you think, "it's a UK parliament, so Scottish MPs can vote on what they want - and bollocks to England"? I'm sorry, but I can't get all the words down to one syllable. '' So our Scottish mps were only voting to making sure no cuts effect Scottish NHS'' there is your answer Are you saying that our Scottish MP's should not have voted to make sure no cuts effects our NHS in Scotland ? Please tell me your not saying you want cuts onto the Scottish NHS ? So the floor is yours now to answer mine. How do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? Once you answer mine i shall answer your other questions " Scottish MPs in the UK Parliament were able, up until 2015, to vote on matters that ONLY affected England. (Forget the NHS votes for the moment). Did you feel that to be a good thing or a bad thing ? (Yes! Every word in the question is one syllable!) | |||
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"actually kinky....CCLC did answer your question, but youare just working in talking points obviosuly parroted from other sites... so could you answer their questions now, which part of the bill were you unhappy with.... Really ? Can you show me his answer to these questions i cant find them lol You said it about giving powers to Holyrood so which powers is Holyrood going to get that is not already devolved ? Mundell said a powers bonzana will be given to to Scotland so which powers would they be ? Why do you keep asking the same question over and over and over again? Here is my answer AGAIN. I have already told you above, and I have already quoted the bill above. At the moment, UK law has to align with EU law, that includes laws written by the Scottish, Welsh and NI governments. The amendments which you have referred to, allow the Scottish, Welsh and NI governments to, in the future, write laws that do not align with EU laws. If we leave the EU, it doesn't make sense to limit the powers of the devolved governments to align with the EU. That wouldn't be needed. I do not know to what powers Mundell was referring. Happy now? Both questions answered. Don't ask me the same question again. I won't answer it a third time. Ok CLCC I will let you off with one as you did say you dont know what Mundell is refering to in the powers bonzana fair enough But i didnt see you answer this You said it about giving powers to Holyrood so which powers is Holyrood going to get that is not already devolved ? Lol " FFS Kinky, what is your major malfunction? The power its getting is to write laws that go against EU law. | |||
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"actually kinky....CCLC did answer your question, but youare just working in talking points obviosuly parroted from other sites... so could you answer their questions now, which part of the bill were you unhappy with.... Really ? Can you show me his answer to these questions i cant find them lol You said it about giving powers to Holyrood so which powers is Holyrood going to get that is not already devolved ? Mundell said a powers bonzana will be given to to Scotland so which powers would they be ? Why do you keep asking the same question over and over and over again? Here is my answer AGAIN. I have already told you above, and I have already quoted the bill above. At the moment, UK law has to align with EU law, that includes laws written by the Scottish, Welsh and NI governments. The amendments which you have referred to, allow the Scottish, Welsh and NI governments to, in the future, write laws that do not align with EU laws. If we leave the EU, it doesn't make sense to limit the powers of the devolved governments to align with the EU. That wouldn't be needed. I do not know to what powers Mundell was referring. Happy now? Both questions answered. Don't ask me the same question again. I won't answer it a third time. Ok CLCC I will let you off with one as you did say you dont know what Mundell is refering to in the powers bonzana fair enough But i didnt see you answer this You said it about giving powers to Holyrood so which powers is Holyrood going to get that is not already devolved ? Lol FFS Kinky, what is your major malfunction? The power its getting is to write laws that go against EU law. " Right you dont know of any powers that are not already devolved are going to be given to Scotland ? If you do can you please name just one ? Surely you can see if all the devolved powers are going to be handed back to Holyrood why not just hand them back straight away ? And then they can get on with this great power bonzana ? If its anything like the Scotland bill aka the vow then that will be another way to screw Scotland on promising extra powers I keep hearing that the Scottish parilament is suppose to be the most powerful parilament in the world yet does not have the power to call an independence referendum when the will of the Scottish people elected a party into government in Scotland on the manifesto policy I get it people dont like Scotland people having power and would rather we get back in our box and eat our cereal | |||
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"Government have majority of 26 on Amendment 72. Devolved governments will have no say on devolved matters All that has done is screwed the fishermen and Farmers in Scotland and Wales and N.Ireland Some fucking union this really is eh where is this family of nations i keep hearing about How did you feel about Scottish MPs voting on English matters? I see someone has wither forgot about EVEL or does not understand EVEL Now same question to you how do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? So, answer my question first - how did you feel about Scottish MPs voting in Westminster on English Issues - The 'West Lothian Question'? Were you OK about that? ''WERE'' So is that you saying you agree with me that Scottish mp's are banned from voting on English matters ? You know that think called Engish votes for English laws lol So do you mean before EVEl came into play ? Yes - between 1977 and 2015 (I think). How did you feel about it? Ok well i hope you know much of Scotland's budget for public services is funded by a "block grant" which is based on how much is spent on the equivalent services in England So if the English NHS has cuts it will effect the Scottish NHS correct ? So our Scottish mps are only voting to making sure no cuts effect Scottish NHS Which btw i dont know if you know this is the best performing NHS in the UK and if you dont believe me might wanna ask the Nuffield trust who said the English NHS could learn a thing or two by coping the Scottish NHS You still haven't answered the question! Scottish MPs were, until about 2015, able to vote on issues that only affected England...how did you feel about that at the time? Is that really too hard a question for you to understand? No i did answer here just to help you out ''So our Scottish mps are only voting to making sure no cuts effect Scottish NHS'' Is it now classed as wrong to vote on something that will end up effecting our Scottish NHS ? The lack of you telling me am wrong that if the English NHS has cuts it will effect the Scottish NHS proves am right on that issue Do you not want Scottish mp's standing up and voting to protect our NHS in Scotland from facing cuts ? Anyway EVEL is ineffect so what is your point ? Now could you answer mine now Now same question to you how do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? Scottish MPs in the UK Parliament were able to vote on any issue that affected England only.....not just the NHS. They were able to do this right up until 2015. My point is to ask how you felt about that? Were you as disgusted by that as you are now? Did you voice that disgust to anyone? Or did you think, "it's a UK parliament, so Scottish MPs can vote on what they want - and bollocks to England"? I am right though arent i ? When i said that if English NHS has cuts it will effect the Scottish NHS correct ? So like i asked do you not want Scottish mp's standing up and voting to stop cuts onto the Scottish NHS ? Now that i have answered yours Can you now answer my question that i asked you first of Here is a reminder of that question How do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? No, you haven't answered the question. And you didn't ask your question first. The question is this.... Scottish MPs were, until about 2015, able to vote on issues that only affected England...how did you feel about that at the time? I then went on to further explain the question to you by asking Were you as disgusted by that as you are now? Did you voice that disgust to anyone? Or did you think, "it's a UK parliament, so Scottish MPs can vote on what they want - and bollocks to England"? I'm sorry, but I can't get all the words down to one syllable. '' So our Scottish mps were only voting to making sure no cuts effect Scottish NHS'' there is your answer Are you saying that our Scottish MP's should not have voted to make sure no cuts effects our NHS in Scotland ? Please tell me your not saying you want cuts onto the Scottish NHS ? So the floor is yours now to answer mine. How do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? Once you answer mine i shall answer your other questions Scottish MPs in the UK Parliament were able, up until 2015, to vote on matters that ONLY affected England. (Forget the NHS votes for the moment). Did you feel that to be a good thing or a bad thing ? (Yes! Every word in the question is one syllable!)" Why is it you want me to forget the NHS ? Is it because am right on that that you want to brush that to one side lol No no lets keep on the NHS eh Our Scottish MP's Scottish MP's voted to make sure no cuts effects our NHS in Scotland Like i said the lack of you saying am wrong on the fact that if there is English cuts on the NHS that it effects the Scottish NHS proves am right on that issue How do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? | |||
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"Government have majority of 26 on Amendment 72. Devolved governments will have no say on devolved matters All that has done is screwed the fishermen and Farmers in Scotland and Wales and N.Ireland Some fucking union this really is eh where is this family of nations i keep hearing about How did you feel about Scottish MPs voting on English matters? I see someone has wither forgot about EVEL or does not understand EVEL Now same question to you how do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? So, answer my question first - how did you feel about Scottish MPs voting in Westminster on English Issues - The 'West Lothian Question'? Were you OK about that? ''WERE'' So is that you saying you agree with me that Scottish mp's are banned from voting on English matters ? You know that think called Engish votes for English laws lol So do you mean before EVEl came into play ? Yes - between 1977 and 2015 (I think). How did you feel about it? Ok well i hope you know much of Scotland's budget for public services is funded by a "block grant" which is based on how much is spent on the equivalent services in England So if the English NHS has cuts it will effect the Scottish NHS correct ? So our Scottish mps are only voting to making sure no cuts effect Scottish NHS Which btw i dont know if you know this is the best performing NHS in the UK and if you dont believe me might wanna ask the Nuffield trust who said the English NHS could learn a thing or two by coping the Scottish NHS You still haven't answered the question! Scottish MPs were, until about 2015, able to vote on issues that only affected England...how did you feel about that at the time? Is that really too hard a question for you to understand? No i did answer here just to help you out ''So our Scottish mps are only voting to making sure no cuts effect Scottish NHS'' Is it now classed as wrong to vote on something that will end up effecting our Scottish NHS ? The lack of you telling me am wrong that if the English NHS has cuts it will effect the Scottish NHS proves am right on that issue Do you not want Scottish mp's standing up and voting to protect our NHS in Scotland from facing cuts ? Anyway EVEL is ineffect so what is your point ? Now could you answer mine now Now same question to you how do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? Scottish MPs in the UK Parliament were able to vote on any issue that affected England only.....not just the NHS. They were able to do this right up until 2015. My point is to ask how you felt about that? Were you as disgusted by that as you are now? Did you voice that disgust to anyone? Or did you think, "it's a UK parliament, so Scottish MPs can vote on what they want - and bollocks to England"? I am right though arent i ? When i said that if English NHS has cuts it will effect the Scottish NHS correct ? So like i asked do you not want Scottish mp's standing up and voting to stop cuts onto the Scottish NHS ? Now that i have answered yours Can you now answer my question that i asked you first of Here is a reminder of that question How do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? No, you haven't answered the question. And you didn't ask your question first. The question is this.... Scottish MPs were, until about 2015, able to vote on issues that only affected England...how did you feel about that at the time? I then went on to further explain the question to you by asking Were you as disgusted by that as you are now? Did you voice that disgust to anyone? Or did you think, "it's a UK parliament, so Scottish MPs can vote on what they want - and bollocks to England"? I'm sorry, but I can't get all the words down to one syllable. '' So our Scottish mps were only voting to making sure no cuts effect Scottish NHS'' there is your answer Are you saying that our Scottish MP's should not have voted to make sure no cuts effects our NHS in Scotland ? Please tell me your not saying you want cuts onto the Scottish NHS ? So the floor is yours now to answer mine. How do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? Once you answer mine i shall answer your other questions Scottish MPs in the UK Parliament were able, up until 2015, to vote on matters that ONLY affected England. (Forget the NHS votes for the moment). Did you feel that to be a good thing or a bad thing ? (Yes! Every word in the question is one syllable!) Why is it you want me to forget the NHS ? Is it because am right on that that you want to brush that to one side lol No no lets keep on the NHS eh Our Scottish MP's Scottish MP's voted to make sure no cuts effects our NHS in Scotland Like i said the lack of you saying am wrong on the fact that if there is English cuts on the NHS that it effects the Scottish NHS proves am right on that issue How do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? " FFS! 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"Government have majority of 26 on Amendment 72. Devolved governments will have no say on devolved matters All that has done is screwed the fishermen and Farmers in Scotland and Wales and N.Ireland Some fucking union this really is eh where is this family of nations i keep hearing about How did you feel about Scottish MPs voting on English matters? I see someone has wither forgot about EVEL or does not understand EVEL Now same question to you how do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? So, answer my question first - how did you feel about Scottish MPs voting in Westminster on English Issues - The 'West Lothian Question'? Were you OK about that? ''WERE'' So is that you saying you agree with me that Scottish mp's are banned from voting on English matters ? You know that think called Engish votes for English laws lol So do you mean before EVEl came into play ? Yes - between 1977 and 2015 (I think). How did you feel about it? Ok well i hope you know much of Scotland's budget for public services is funded by a "block grant" which is based on how much is spent on the equivalent services in England So if the English NHS has cuts it will effect the Scottish NHS correct ? So our Scottish mps are only voting to making sure no cuts effect Scottish NHS Which btw i dont know if you know this is the best performing NHS in the UK and if you dont believe me might wanna ask the Nuffield trust who said the English NHS could learn a thing or two by coping the Scottish NHS You still haven't answered the question! Scottish MPs were, until about 2015, able to vote on issues that only affected England...how did you feel about that at the time? Is that really too hard a question for you to understand? No i did answer here just to help you out ''So our Scottish mps are only voting to making sure no cuts effect Scottish NHS'' Is it now classed as wrong to vote on something that will end up effecting our Scottish NHS ? The lack of you telling me am wrong that if the English NHS has cuts it will effect the Scottish NHS proves am right on that issue Do you not want Scottish mp's standing up and voting to protect our NHS in Scotland from facing cuts ? Anyway EVEL is ineffect so what is your point ? Now could you answer mine now Now same question to you how do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? Scottish MPs in the UK Parliament were able to vote on any issue that affected England only.....not just the NHS. They were able to do this right up until 2015. My point is to ask how you felt about that? Were you as disgusted by that as you are now? Did you voice that disgust to anyone? Or did you think, "it's a UK parliament, so Scottish MPs can vote on what they want - and bollocks to England"? I am right though arent i ? When i said that if English NHS has cuts it will effect the Scottish NHS correct ? So like i asked do you not want Scottish mp's standing up and voting to stop cuts onto the Scottish NHS ? Now that i have answered yours Can you now answer my question that i asked you first of Here is a reminder of that question How do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? No, you haven't answered the question. And you didn't ask your question first. The question is this.... Scottish MPs were, until about 2015, able to vote on issues that only affected England...how did you feel about that at the time? I then went on to further explain the question to you by asking Were you as disgusted by that as you are now? Did you voice that disgust to anyone? Or did you think, "it's a UK parliament, so Scottish MPs can vote on what they want - and bollocks to England"? I'm sorry, but I can't get all the words down to one syllable. '' So our Scottish mps were only voting to making sure no cuts effect Scottish NHS'' there is your answer Are you saying that our Scottish MP's should not have voted to make sure no cuts effects our NHS in Scotland ? Please tell me your not saying you want cuts onto the Scottish NHS ? So the floor is yours now to answer mine. How do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? Once you answer mine i shall answer your other questions Scottish MPs in the UK Parliament were able, up until 2015, to vote on matters that ONLY affected England. (Forget the NHS votes for the moment). Did you feel that to be a good thing or a bad thing ? (Yes! Every word in the question is one syllable!) Why is it you want me to forget the NHS ? Is it because am right on that that you want to brush that to one side lol No no lets keep on the NHS eh Our Scottish MP's Scottish MP's voted to make sure no cuts effects our NHS in Scotland Like i said the lack of you saying am wrong on the fact that if there is English cuts on the NHS that it effects the Scottish NHS proves am right on that issue How do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? FFS! Was it wrong for Scottish MPs in the UK parliament to be able to vote on matters that ONLY affected England? What part of that do you NOT understand? It's a simple yes or no question! " Thats funny now you have changed the question you asked this ''how did you feel about Scottish MPs voting in Westminster on English Issues'' Then i answered it by saying i dont see nothing wrong with Scottish mp's voting to make sure English NHS cuts didnt effect our Scottish NHS Now if you really wanna play fair then try answering my question first then we shall move on How do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? | |||
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"Its shocking the amount of people that dont care that devolved powers will go back to Westminster instead of straight back to Holyrood after the Uk leaves the EU " I do care. I think its a brilliant idea. | |||
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"Its shocking the amount of people that dont care that devolved powers will go back to Westminster instead of straight back to Holyrood after the Uk leaves the EU I do care. I think its a brilliant idea." You think its a brilliant idea for devolved powers to go to Westminster for them to decide which powers Scotland get after brexit ? So if Westminster want to take back a devolved power which one would you want to lose ? Health Education Local Government Law Social Work and Housing Economic Development and Transport The Environment Agriculture, Forestry and Fishing Sport and the Arts | |||
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"Its shocking the amount of people that dont care that devolved powers will go back to Westminster instead of straight back to Holyrood after the Uk leaves the EU I do care. I think its a brilliant idea. You think its a brilliant idea for devolved powers to go to Westminster for them to decide which powers Scotland get after brexit ? So if Westminster want to take back a devolved power which one would you want to lose ? Health Education Local Government Law Social Work and Housing Economic Development and Transport The Environment Agriculture, Forestry and Fishing Sport and the Arts" All of them. | |||
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"Its shocking the amount of people that dont care that devolved powers will go back to Westminster instead of straight back to Holyrood after the Uk leaves the EU I do care. I think its a brilliant idea. You think its a brilliant idea for devolved powers to go to Westminster for them to decide which powers Scotland get after brexit ? So if Westminster want to take back a devolved power which one would you want to lose ? Health Education Local Government Law Social Work and Housing Economic Development and Transport The Environment Agriculture, Forestry and Fishing Sport and the Arts All of them. " All of them ? Ah right so you want the Tories to have all those devolved powers ? Oh i hate doing this but it needs to be said Do you know if you really want the Tories to be in control of all these powers you can vote for the Scottish Tory branch office in Holyrood to be in government in Scotland ? Is it because you hate the SNP that much you just want to get rid of these devolved powers ? Lol Did you want to get rid of all these devolved powers back in 1999 -2007 when Scottish Labour branch and Lib dem branch coalition when in government in Scotland ? I will take one out say Social work and housing which one do you believe is doing better with social work and housing the SNP or Tories ? Cant wait to hear all your answers to every single question i have asked lol | |||
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" Ah right so you want the Tories to have all those devolved powers ? [/Quote] It's not about givibg power to the tories. It's about giving it to London where it belongs [Quote] Do you know if you really want the Tories to be in control of all these powers you can vote for the Scottish Tory branch office in Holyrood to be in government in Scotland ? [/Quote] So people who aren't good enough for proper politics can continue their student politics in a jumped up town council? [Quote] Is it because you hate the SNP that much you just want to get rid of these devolved powers ? Lol [/Quote] The SNP and yes it does pain me to say it, aren't doing a bad job but yes I do detest what they stand for. I don't particularly hate the SNP as individuals, although Nicola Sturgeon is irritating, but the idea of independence feels wrong to me. Why on earth would anyone want such a stupid thing? Does not compute. [Quote] Did you want to get rid of all these devolved powers back in 1999 -2007 when Scottish Labour branch and Lib dem branch coalition when in government in Scotland ? [/Quote] I voted no no in the devolution referendum. It grates every time i see or hear 'Scottish labour party' when it should be British Labour party. Its like putting tge milk in first and its one of the many reasons i can't bring myself to vote for them. [Quote] I will take one out say Social work and housing which one do you believe is doing better with social work and housing the SNP or Tories ? × [/Quote] Haven't a clue. My issues with holyrood are constitutional not political. Neither are building enough houses and my only contact with social work in Scotland has left me scared for life. Don't imagine I'd be less scared in England [Quote] Cant wait to hear all your answers to every single question i have asked lol" Done | |||
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" Ah right so you want the Tories to have all those devolved powers ? [/Quote] It's not about givibg power to the tories. It's about giving it to London where it belongs [Quote] Do you know if you really want the Tories to be in control of all these powers you can vote for the Scottish Tory branch office in Holyrood to be in government in Scotland ? [/Quote] So people who aren't good enough for proper politics can continue their student politics in a jumped up town council? [Quote] Is it because you hate the SNP that much you just want to get rid of these devolved powers ? Lol [/Quote] The SNP and yes it does pain me to say it, aren't doing a bad job but yes I do detest what they stand for. I don't particularly hate the SNP as individuals, although Nicola Sturgeon is irritating, but the idea of independence feels wrong to me. Why on earth would anyone want such a stupid thing? Does not compute. [Quote] Did you want to get rid of all these devolved powers back in 1999 -2007 when Scottish Labour branch and Lib dem branch coalition when in government in Scotland ? [/Quote] I voted no no in the devolution referendum. It grates every time i see or hear 'Scottish labour party' when it should be British Labour party. Its like putting tge milk in first and its one of the many reasons i can't bring myself to vote for them. [Quote] I will take one out say Social work and housing which one do you believe is doing better with social work and housing the SNP or Tories ? × [/Quote] Haven't a clue. My issues with holyrood are constitutional not political. Neither are building enough houses and my only contact with social work in Scotland has left me scared for life. Don't imagine I'd be less scared in England [Quote] Cant wait to hear all your answers to every single question i have asked lol Done" 1. So you think devolved powers belong in Westminster ? So you are willing to hand power over the Tories 2. You never reallyed answer that. Do you know you can vote for the Scottish Tory branch to be in Government if you want the Tories to be in control of all the devolved powers ? 3. Right so you think the SNP are doing an ok job of running Scotland. I dont get why though you want to hand over devolved power to Westminster though ? Ok why is it feel wrong to you to have independence ? So you dont agree with all the other countries that are independent all over the world or is it just Scottish independence you are soo against ? 4. Right so you dont want to give Scotland any powers you would rather Westminster governments to be in charge ? Can you tell when did Scotland vote for a Tory government ? Are you happy with the cuts to welfare ? 5. So you dont have a clue on social work and housing on who is best running that ? Did you know SNP have build 60,000 house since they took office in 2007 and will build 50,000 in this term of government in Scotland ? Also did you know Scottish Labour branch office only build 6 houses in their term from 1999 to 2007 ? Last thing you said Scottish Labour party please go look up the electoral commission in scotland and try and find this so called Scottish Labour party the correct name is Scottish Labour accounting unit which is just a branch office of the UK Labour party they have no power they get telt what to say and do from the UK Labour party lol | |||
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"Government have majority of 26 on Amendment 72. Devolved governments will have no say on devolved matters All that has done is screwed the fishermen and Farmers in Scotland and Wales and N.Ireland Some fucking union this really is eh where is this family of nations i keep hearing about How did you feel about Scottish MPs voting on English matters? I see someone has wither forgot about EVEL or does not understand EVEL Now same question to you how do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? So, answer my question first - how did you feel about Scottish MPs voting in Westminster on English Issues - The 'West Lothian Question'? Were you OK about that? ''WERE'' So is that you saying you agree with me that Scottish mp's are banned from voting on English matters ? You know that think called Engish votes for English laws lol So do you mean before EVEl came into play ? Yes - between 1977 and 2015 (I think). How did you feel about it? Ok well i hope you know much of Scotland's budget for public services is funded by a "block grant" which is based on how much is spent on the equivalent services in England So if the English NHS has cuts it will effect the Scottish NHS correct ? So our Scottish mps are only voting to making sure no cuts effect Scottish NHS Which btw i dont know if you know this is the best performing NHS in the UK and if you dont believe me might wanna ask the Nuffield trust who said the English NHS could learn a thing or two by coping the Scottish NHS You still haven't answered the question! Scottish MPs were, until about 2015, able to vote on issues that only affected England...how did you feel about that at the time? Is that really too hard a question for you to understand? No i did answer here just to help you out ''So our Scottish mps are only voting to making sure no cuts effect Scottish NHS'' Is it now classed as wrong to vote on something that will end up effecting our Scottish NHS ? The lack of you telling me am wrong that if the English NHS has cuts it will effect the Scottish NHS proves am right on that issue Do you not want Scottish mp's standing up and voting to protect our NHS in Scotland from facing cuts ? Anyway EVEL is ineffect so what is your point ? Now could you answer mine now Now same question to you how do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? Scottish MPs in the UK Parliament were able to vote on any issue that affected England only.....not just the NHS. They were able to do this right up until 2015. My point is to ask how you felt about that? Were you as disgusted by that as you are now? Did you voice that disgust to anyone? Or did you think, "it's a UK parliament, so Scottish MPs can vote on what they want - and bollocks to England"? I am right though arent i ? When i said that if English NHS has cuts it will effect the Scottish NHS correct ? So like i asked do you not want Scottish mp's standing up and voting to stop cuts onto the Scottish NHS ? Now that i have answered yours Can you now answer my question that i asked you first of Here is a reminder of that question How do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? No, you haven't answered the question. And you didn't ask your question first. The question is this.... Scottish MPs were, until about 2015, able to vote on issues that only affected England...how did you feel about that at the time? I then went on to further explain the question to you by asking Were you as disgusted by that as you are now? Did you voice that disgust to anyone? Or did you think, "it's a UK parliament, so Scottish MPs can vote on what they want - and bollocks to England"? I'm sorry, but I can't get all the words down to one syllable. '' So our Scottish mps were only voting to making sure no cuts effect Scottish NHS'' there is your answer Are you saying that our Scottish MP's should not have voted to make sure no cuts effects our NHS in Scotland ? Please tell me your not saying you want cuts onto the Scottish NHS ? So the floor is yours now to answer mine. How do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? Once you answer mine i shall answer your other questions Scottish MPs in the UK Parliament were able, up until 2015, to vote on matters that ONLY affected England. (Forget the NHS votes for the moment). Did you feel that to be a good thing or a bad thing ? (Yes! Every word in the question is one syllable!) Why is it you want me to forget the NHS ? Is it because am right on that that you want to brush that to one side lol No no lets keep on the NHS eh Our Scottish MP's Scottish MP's voted to make sure no cuts effects our NHS in Scotland Like i said the lack of you saying am wrong on the fact that if there is English cuts on the NHS that it effects the Scottish NHS proves am right on that issue How do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? FFS! Was it wrong for Scottish MPs in the UK parliament to be able to vote on matters that ONLY affected England? What part of that do you NOT understand? It's a simple yes or no question! Thats funny now you have changed the question you asked this ''how did you feel about Scottish MPs voting in Westminster on English Issues'' Then i answered it by saying i dont see nothing wrong with Scottish mp's voting to make sure English NHS cuts didnt effect our Scottish NHS Now if you really wanna play fair then try answering my question first then we shall move on How do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ?" Well, you haven't said anywhere how you feel about Scottish MPs in the UK parliament voting on English issues, you have, however, ignored general English issues , choosing instead to say something like Scottish MPs voted on the English NHS to protect the Scottish NHS. But at no point have you said, anywhere, how YOU feel. But to answer your question, where something in Scotland will affect something in the rest of the UK, then I guess it's only right and proper that UK MPs are able to vote on that. Clearly, the devolution of power is one of those instances. | |||
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"Government have majority of 26 on Amendment 72. Devolved governments will have no say on devolved matters All that has done is screwed the fishermen and Farmers in Scotland and Wales and N.Ireland Some fucking union this really is eh where is this family of nations i keep hearing about How did you feel about Scottish MPs voting on English matters? I see someone has wither forgot about EVEL or does not understand EVEL Now same question to you how do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? So, answer my question first - how did you feel about Scottish MPs voting in Westminster on English Issues - The 'West Lothian Question'? Were you OK about that? ''WERE'' So is that you saying you agree with me that Scottish mp's are banned from voting on English matters ? You know that think called Engish votes for English laws lol So do you mean before EVEl came into play ? Yes - between 1977 and 2015 (I think). How did you feel about it? Ok well i hope you know much of Scotland's budget for public services is funded by a "block grant" which is based on how much is spent on the equivalent services in England So if the English NHS has cuts it will effect the Scottish NHS correct ? So our Scottish mps are only voting to making sure no cuts effect Scottish NHS Which btw i dont know if you know this is the best performing NHS in the UK and if you dont believe me might wanna ask the Nuffield trust who said the English NHS could learn a thing or two by coping the Scottish NHS You still haven't answered the question! Scottish MPs were, until about 2015, able to vote on issues that only affected England...how did you feel about that at the time? Is that really too hard a question for you to understand? No i did answer here just to help you out ''So our Scottish mps are only voting to making sure no cuts effect Scottish NHS'' Is it now classed as wrong to vote on something that will end up effecting our Scottish NHS ? The lack of you telling me am wrong that if the English NHS has cuts it will effect the Scottish NHS proves am right on that issue Do you not want Scottish mp's standing up and voting to protect our NHS in Scotland from facing cuts ? Anyway EVEL is ineffect so what is your point ? Now could you answer mine now Now same question to you how do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? Scottish MPs in the UK Parliament were able to vote on any issue that affected England only.....not just the NHS. They were able to do this right up until 2015. My point is to ask how you felt about that? Were you as disgusted by that as you are now? Did you voice that disgust to anyone? Or did you think, "it's a UK parliament, so Scottish MPs can vote on what they want - and bollocks to England"? I am right though arent i ? When i said that if English NHS has cuts it will effect the Scottish NHS correct ? So like i asked do you not want Scottish mp's standing up and voting to stop cuts onto the Scottish NHS ? Now that i have answered yours Can you now answer my question that i asked you first of Here is a reminder of that question How do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? No, you haven't answered the question. And you didn't ask your question first. The question is this.... Scottish MPs were, until about 2015, able to vote on issues that only affected England...how did you feel about that at the time? I then went on to further explain the question to you by asking Were you as disgusted by that as you are now? Did you voice that disgust to anyone? Or did you think, "it's a UK parliament, so Scottish MPs can vote on what they want - and bollocks to England"? I'm sorry, but I can't get all the words down to one syllable. '' So our Scottish mps were only voting to making sure no cuts effect Scottish NHS'' there is your answer Are you saying that our Scottish MP's should not have voted to make sure no cuts effects our NHS in Scotland ? Please tell me your not saying you want cuts onto the Scottish NHS ? So the floor is yours now to answer mine. How do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? Once you answer mine i shall answer your other questions Scottish MPs in the UK Parliament were able, up until 2015, to vote on matters that ONLY affected England. (Forget the NHS votes for the moment). Did you feel that to be a good thing or a bad thing ? (Yes! Every word in the question is one syllable!) Why is it you want me to forget the NHS ? Is it because am right on that that you want to brush that to one side lol No no lets keep on the NHS eh Our Scottish MP's Scottish MP's voted to make sure no cuts effects our NHS in Scotland Like i said the lack of you saying am wrong on the fact that if there is English cuts on the NHS that it effects the Scottish NHS proves am right on that issue How do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? FFS! Was it wrong for Scottish MPs in the UK parliament to be able to vote on matters that ONLY affected England? What part of that do you NOT understand? It's a simple yes or no question! Thats funny now you have changed the question you asked this ''how did you feel about Scottish MPs voting in Westminster on English Issues'' Then i answered it by saying i dont see nothing wrong with Scottish mp's voting to make sure English NHS cuts didnt effect our Scottish NHS Now if you really wanna play fair then try answering my question first then we shall move on How do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? Well, you haven't said anywhere how you feel about Scottish MPs in the UK parliament voting on English issues, you have, however, ignored general English issues , choosing instead to say something like Scottish MPs voted on the English NHS to protect the Scottish NHS. But at no point have you said, anywhere, how YOU feel. But to answer your question, where something in Scotland will affect something in the rest of the UK, then I guess it's only right and proper that UK MPs are able to vote on that. Clearly, the devolution of power is one of those instances." I did answer your question So lets now move on to present day eh EVEL is in effect so Scottish mps are banned from voting on English issues But i suppose you and others think its ok for devolved powers to go to Westminster when the UK leaves the EU and then for Westminster to decide which of the devolved powers we can have back in Scotland ? | |||
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"Government have majority of 26 on Amendment 72. Devolved governments will have no say on devolved matters All that has done is screwed the fishermen and Farmers in Scotland and Wales and N.Ireland Some fucking union this really is eh where is this family of nations i keep hearing about How did you feel about Scottish MPs voting on English matters? I see someone has wither forgot about EVEL or does not understand EVEL Now same question to you how do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? So, answer my question first - how did you feel about Scottish MPs voting in Westminster on English Issues - The 'West Lothian Question'? Were you OK about that? ''WERE'' So is that you saying you agree with me that Scottish mp's are banned from voting on English matters ? You know that think called Engish votes for English laws lol So do you mean before EVEl came into play ? Yes - between 1977 and 2015 (I think). How did you feel about it? Ok well i hope you know much of Scotland's budget for public services is funded by a "block grant" which is based on how much is spent on the equivalent services in England So if the English NHS has cuts it will effect the Scottish NHS correct ? So our Scottish mps are only voting to making sure no cuts effect Scottish NHS Which btw i dont know if you know this is the best performing NHS in the UK and if you dont believe me might wanna ask the Nuffield trust who said the English NHS could learn a thing or two by coping the Scottish NHS You still haven't answered the question! Scottish MPs were, until about 2015, able to vote on issues that only affected England...how did you feel about that at the time? Is that really too hard a question for you to understand? No i did answer here just to help you out ''So our Scottish mps are only voting to making sure no cuts effect Scottish NHS'' Is it now classed as wrong to vote on something that will end up effecting our Scottish NHS ? The lack of you telling me am wrong that if the English NHS has cuts it will effect the Scottish NHS proves am right on that issue Do you not want Scottish mp's standing up and voting to protect our NHS in Scotland from facing cuts ? Anyway EVEL is ineffect so what is your point ? Now could you answer mine now Now same question to you how do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? Scottish MPs in the UK Parliament were able to vote on any issue that affected England only.....not just the NHS. They were able to do this right up until 2015. My point is to ask how you felt about that? Were you as disgusted by that as you are now? Did you voice that disgust to anyone? Or did you think, "it's a UK parliament, so Scottish MPs can vote on what they want - and bollocks to England"? I am right though arent i ? When i said that if English NHS has cuts it will effect the Scottish NHS correct ? So like i asked do you not want Scottish mp's standing up and voting to stop cuts onto the Scottish NHS ? Now that i have answered yours Can you now answer my question that i asked you first of Here is a reminder of that question How do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? No, you haven't answered the question. And you didn't ask your question first. The question is this.... Scottish MPs were, until about 2015, able to vote on issues that only affected England...how did you feel about that at the time? I then went on to further explain the question to you by asking Were you as disgusted by that as you are now? Did you voice that disgust to anyone? Or did you think, "it's a UK parliament, so Scottish MPs can vote on what they want - and bollocks to England"? I'm sorry, but I can't get all the words down to one syllable. '' So our Scottish mps were only voting to making sure no cuts effect Scottish NHS'' there is your answer Are you saying that our Scottish MP's should not have voted to make sure no cuts effects our NHS in Scotland ? Please tell me your not saying you want cuts onto the Scottish NHS ? So the floor is yours now to answer mine. How do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? Once you answer mine i shall answer your other questions Scottish MPs in the UK Parliament were able, up until 2015, to vote on matters that ONLY affected England. (Forget the NHS votes for the moment). Did you feel that to be a good thing or a bad thing ? (Yes! Every word in the question is one syllable!) Why is it you want me to forget the NHS ? Is it because am right on that that you want to brush that to one side lol No no lets keep on the NHS eh Our Scottish MP's Scottish MP's voted to make sure no cuts effects our NHS in Scotland Like i said the lack of you saying am wrong on the fact that if there is English cuts on the NHS that it effects the Scottish NHS proves am right on that issue How do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? FFS! Was it wrong for Scottish MPs in the UK parliament to be able to vote on matters that ONLY affected England? What part of that do you NOT understand? It's a simple yes or no question! Thats funny now you have changed the question you asked this ''how did you feel about Scottish MPs voting in Westminster on English Issues'' Then i answered it by saying i dont see nothing wrong with Scottish mp's voting to make sure English NHS cuts didnt effect our Scottish NHS Now if you really wanna play fair then try answering my question first then we shall move on How do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? Well, you haven't said anywhere how you feel about Scottish MPs in the UK parliament voting on English issues, you have, however, ignored general English issues , choosing instead to say something like Scottish MPs voted on the English NHS to protect the Scottish NHS. But at no point have you said, anywhere, how YOU feel. But to answer your question, where something in Scotland will affect something in the rest of the UK, then I guess it's only right and proper that UK MPs are able to vote on that. Clearly, the devolution of power is one of those instances. I did answer your question So lets now move on to present day eh EVEL is in effect so Scottish mps are banned from voting on English issues But i suppose you and others think its ok for devolved powers to go to Westminster when the UK leaves the EU and then for Westminster to decide which of the devolved powers we can have back in Scotland ? " where something in Scotland will affect something in the rest of the UK, then I guess it's only right and proper that UK MPs are able to vote on that. Clearly, the devolution of power is one of those instances. I think you'll find that CLCC has already explained to you what is happening, as has been pointed out to you by others on here. | |||
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"Government have majority of 26 on Amendment 72. Devolved governments will have no say on devolved matters All that has done is screwed the fishermen and Farmers in Scotland and Wales and N.Ireland Some fucking union this really is eh where is this family of nations i keep hearing about How did you feel about Scottish MPs voting on English matters? I see someone has wither forgot about EVEL or does not understand EVEL Now same question to you how do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? So, answer my question first - how did you feel about Scottish MPs voting in Westminster on English Issues - The 'West Lothian Question'? Were you OK about that? ''WERE'' So is that you saying you agree with me that Scottish mp's are banned from voting on English matters ? You know that think called Engish votes for English laws lol So do you mean before EVEl came into play ? Yes - between 1977 and 2015 (I think). How did you feel about it? Ok well i hope you know much of Scotland's budget for public services is funded by a "block grant" which is based on how much is spent on the equivalent services in England So if the English NHS has cuts it will effect the Scottish NHS correct ? So our Scottish mps are only voting to making sure no cuts effect Scottish NHS Which btw i dont know if you know this is the best performing NHS in the UK and if you dont believe me might wanna ask the Nuffield trust who said the English NHS could learn a thing or two by coping the Scottish NHS You still haven't answered the question! Scottish MPs were, until about 2015, able to vote on issues that only affected England...how did you feel about that at the time? Is that really too hard a question for you to understand? No i did answer here just to help you out ''So our Scottish mps are only voting to making sure no cuts effect Scottish NHS'' Is it now classed as wrong to vote on something that will end up effecting our Scottish NHS ? The lack of you telling me am wrong that if the English NHS has cuts it will effect the Scottish NHS proves am right on that issue Do you not want Scottish mp's standing up and voting to protect our NHS in Scotland from facing cuts ? Anyway EVEL is ineffect so what is your point ? Now could you answer mine now Now same question to you how do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? Scottish MPs in the UK Parliament were able to vote on any issue that affected England only.....not just the NHS. They were able to do this right up until 2015. My point is to ask how you felt about that? Were you as disgusted by that as you are now? Did you voice that disgust to anyone? Or did you think, "it's a UK parliament, so Scottish MPs can vote on what they want - and bollocks to England"? I am right though arent i ? When i said that if English NHS has cuts it will effect the Scottish NHS correct ? So like i asked do you not want Scottish mp's standing up and voting to stop cuts onto the Scottish NHS ? Now that i have answered yours Can you now answer my question that i asked you first of Here is a reminder of that question How do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? No, you haven't answered the question. And you didn't ask your question first. The question is this.... Scottish MPs were, until about 2015, able to vote on issues that only affected England...how did you feel about that at the time? I then went on to further explain the question to you by asking Were you as disgusted by that as you are now? Did you voice that disgust to anyone? Or did you think, "it's a UK parliament, so Scottish MPs can vote on what they want - and bollocks to England"? I'm sorry, but I can't get all the words down to one syllable. '' So our Scottish mps were only voting to making sure no cuts effect Scottish NHS'' there is your answer Are you saying that our Scottish MP's should not have voted to make sure no cuts effects our NHS in Scotland ? Please tell me your not saying you want cuts onto the Scottish NHS ? So the floor is yours now to answer mine. How do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? Once you answer mine i shall answer your other questions Scottish MPs in the UK Parliament were able, up until 2015, to vote on matters that ONLY affected England. (Forget the NHS votes for the moment). Did you feel that to be a good thing or a bad thing ? (Yes! Every word in the question is one syllable!) Why is it you want me to forget the NHS ? Is it because am right on that that you want to brush that to one side lol No no lets keep on the NHS eh Our Scottish MP's Scottish MP's voted to make sure no cuts effects our NHS in Scotland Like i said the lack of you saying am wrong on the fact that if there is English cuts on the NHS that it effects the Scottish NHS proves am right on that issue How do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? FFS! Was it wrong for Scottish MPs in the UK parliament to be able to vote on matters that ONLY affected England? What part of that do you NOT understand? It's a simple yes or no question! Thats funny now you have changed the question you asked this ''how did you feel about Scottish MPs voting in Westminster on English Issues'' Then i answered it by saying i dont see nothing wrong with Scottish mp's voting to make sure English NHS cuts didnt effect our Scottish NHS Now if you really wanna play fair then try answering my question first then we shall move on How do you feel about English mps voting on Scottish matters ? And you cant say they dont you remember the Scotland Bill where English Mps and English Lords told Scotland what powers we will get ? Well, you haven't said anywhere how you feel about Scottish MPs in the UK parliament voting on English issues, you have, however, ignored general English issues , choosing instead to say something like Scottish MPs voted on the English NHS to protect the Scottish NHS. But at no point have you said, anywhere, how YOU feel. But to answer your question, where something in Scotland will affect something in the rest of the UK, then I guess it's only right and proper that UK MPs are able to vote on that. Clearly, the devolution of power is one of those instances. I did answer your question So lets now move on to present day eh EVEL is in effect so Scottish mps are banned from voting on English issues But i suppose you and others think its ok for devolved powers to go to Westminster when the UK leaves the EU and then for Westminster to decide which of the devolved powers we can have back in Scotland ? where something in Scotland will affect something in the rest of the UK, then I guess it's only right and proper that UK MPs are able to vote on that. Clearly, the devolution of power is one of those instances. I think you'll find that CLCC has already explained to you what is happening, as has been pointed out to you by others on here. " Right so when the UK leaves the EU all of these devolved powers will go to Westminster correct ? health Education Local Government Law Social Work and Housing Economic Development and Transport The Environment Agriculture, Forestry and Fishing Sport and the Arts So if one of these devolved powers Westminster decides to take back and not devolve it back to Holyrood you would be ok with that then ? Lets just say its health would you be happy if Westminster took health away from Holyrood ? Remember the Scottish NHS is the best performing NHS in the whole of the UK | |||
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" Right so when the UK leaves the EU all of these devolved powers will go to Westminster correct ? health Education Local Government Law Social Work and Housing Economic Development and Transport The Environment Agriculture, Forestry and Fishing Sport and the Arts No, that is incorrect! Oh my god kinky, is that what you think is happening? who told you that? I think someone has been pulling your leg. That's not what is happening at all."I'm afraid our Scottish correspondent has been on too much "Buckfast"! A total lack of understanding of the democratic process of the UK, and the legal process of leaving the EU. | |||
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" Right so when the UK leaves the EU all of these devolved powers will go to Westminster correct ? health Education Local Government Law Social Work and Housing Economic Development and Transport The Environment Agriculture, Forestry and Fishing Sport and the Arts So if one of these devolved powers Westminster decides to take back and not devolve it back to Holyrood you would be ok with that then ? Lets just say its health would you be happy if Westminster took health away from Holyrood ? Remember the Scottish NHS is the best performing NHS in the whole of the UK " first of all... no one is taking away any powers you already have... so stop scaremongering! secondly, you like to say and parrot the line about the Scottish NHS a lot.... and i applaud them... just a shame the same can't be said, for example, about the Scottish education system where their counterparts south of the border are doing a better job..... so it is very much swings and roundabouts.... but that doesn't suit the narrative you are trying to push.... so thank you for showing a complete ignorance of the way that "devolution" works.... the way it works is that the powers are devolved down from the UK to the Administrations.... they were already powers the UK had and were not decided at a pan-european level.....i.e health was NEVER decided at a EU level... or Transport... or Education... what the SNP wanted in the bill, which was explained to you, but you decided not to actually listen to, was for the Powers that were decided at European level (CAP for example) to be directly devolved to the administrations bypassing the UK government..... what the UK government are proposing is those powers are brought back into UK law first.... and THEN devolved to the administrations and any monies to be passed on via the block grant (remember the block grant and the barnett formula works in the favour of scotland per head anyway.......) | |||
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" Right so when the UK leaves the EU all of these devolved powers will go to Westminster correct ? health Education Local Government Law Social Work and Housing Economic Development and Transport The Environment Agriculture, Forestry and Fishing Sport and the Arts No, that is incorrect! Oh my god kinky, is that what you think is happening? who told you that? I think someone has been pulling your leg. That's not what is happening at all.
I'm afraid our Scottish correspondent has been on too much "Buckfast"!
A total lack of understanding of the democratic process of the UK, and the legal process of leaving the EU.
"I know, this is the funniest thing about arguing with kinky, is its just factual objective things they argue about. Most politics is subjective, like is a 1p rise in national insurance a good idea or not. But with kinky, they argue against constitutional facts, like who calls a referendum, or can the general public pass laws. It's hilarious their lack of understanding. | |||
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" Right so when the UK leaves the EU all of these devolved powers will go to Westminster correct ? health Education Local Government Law Social Work and Housing Economic Development and Transport The Environment Agriculture, Forestry and Fishing Sport and the Arts No, that is incorrect! Oh my god kinky, is that what you think is happening? who told you that? I think someone has been pulling your leg. That's not what is happening at all.
I'm afraid our Scottish correspondent has been on too much "Buckfast"!
A total lack of understanding of the democratic process of the UK, and the legal process of leaving the EU.
I know, this is the funniest thing about arguing with kinky, is its just factual objective things they argue about. Most politics is subjective, like is a 1p rise in national insurance a good idea or not. But with kinky, they argue against constitutional facts, like who calls a referendum, or can the general public pass laws. It's hilarious their lack of understanding. "But what does the Reverend of Wings say? | |||
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So to put these powers in context.
The snats want the powers devolved.
Scotland goes independent.
rejoins the EU without the Thatcher rebate and becomes a net contributor rather than a net reciever of aid from the EU.
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"I hope that all devolved powers go back to Westminster. I am tired of paying more tax in Scotland whether it be incone tax or the new SDLT. The SNP are milking us dry to subsidise the proletariat! Kinky should concentrate on milking cock instead!" Paradise has to paid for by someone all that free stuff does not come cheap | |||
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"[Quote] 1. So you think devolved powers belong in Westminster ? So you are willing to hand power over the Tories [/Quote] I thought I had made it clear that I think there shouldn't be devolved powers [Quote] 2. You never reallyed answer that. Do you know you can vote for the Scottish Tory branch to be in Government if you want the Tories to be in control of all the devolved powers ? [/Quote] I want a BRITSH government elected by the BRITISH people to have all the powers. [Quote] 3. Right so you think the SNP are doing an ok job of running Scotland. I dont get why though you want to hand over devolved power to Westminster though ? Ok why is it feel wrong to you to have independence ? So you dont agree with all the other countries that are independent all over the world or is it just Scottish independence you are soo against? [/Quote] Ahh well. To me Scotland is a jumped up region with ideas beyond its abilities, I don't see it as a viable country. But since you ask i think the idea of the nation state increasingly outdated and dangerous in this day and age. [Quote] 4. Right so you dont want to give Scotland any powers you would rather Westminster governments to be in charge ? Can you tell when did Scotland vote for a Tory government ? Are you happy with the cuts to welfare ? [/Quote] Again its not about SCOTLAND voting for a tory government, its about BRITAIN voting for one. [Quote] 5. So you dont have a clue on social work and housing on who is best running that ? [/Quote] I don't actually know what social work do, other than make increasing right wing pronouncements on the 'right' environments for children. Thats what a parliamentary democracy is for, so people who do know this sort of stuff can make the decisions. [Quote] Did you know SNP have build 60,000 house since they took office in 2007 and will build 50,000 in this term of government in Scotland ? [/Quote] How nice. Doesn't change the fact that the country (Britain) didn't vote for them. [Quote] Last thing you said Scottish Labour party please go look up the electoral commission in scotland and try and find this so called Scottish Labour party the correct name is Scottish Labour accounting unit which is just a branch office of the UK Labour party they have no power they get telt what to say and do from the UK Labour party [/Quote] Well thank God for that." Wow i have never seen someone live in Scotland and hate Scotland soooo much that you would want the Tories running Scotland. So you would love for the bedroom tax and fracking to happen in Scotland then 1. Fair enough you would rather the Tories to run Scotland but as i said you do know you can vote the Scottish Tory branch in Holyrood to try and get them in government ? 2. Ah thats your problem Scotland didnt vote the Tories infact if you look at it only England voted for the Tories yet Scotland , Wales and N.Ireland have to suffer the Tories 3. Scotland is not a region its a country. Ah right so you dont see country as a country. So i ask you do you see Germany , Brazil , Spain , USA , Canada , China , Japan, Norway , Sweden are they all independent countries ? So its just Scotland you have a big problem with ? Should all the countries around the world just join up and we have one big country ? Lol 4 so you dont have a clue on what social work actually do ? Wow just honestly wow thats embarrassing lol 5. Did you know Britain is NOT a country its an island you know the British isles ? Also the UK is NOT a country it is made up of 4 countries in a union But wow like i said i have never seen someone hate Scotland that much that they would love to see the Tories run Scotland's affairs i do wonder would would you take all those people that are not fit to work and had their money stopped or took off them by the Tories | |||
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"[Quote] 1. So you think devolved powers belong in Westminster ? So you are willing to hand power over the Tories [/Quote] I thought I had made it clear that I think there shouldn't be devolved powers [Quote] 2. You never reallyed answer that. Do you know you can vote for the Scottish Tory branch to be in Government if you want the Tories to be in control of all the devolved powers ? [/Quote] I want a BRITSH government elected by the BRITISH people to have all the powers. [Quote] 3. Right so you think the SNP are doing an ok job of running Scotland. I dont get why though you want to hand over devolved power to Westminster though ? Ok why is it feel wrong to you to have independence ? So you dont agree with all the other countries that are independent all over the world or is it just Scottish independence you are soo against? [/Quote] Ahh well. To me Scotland is a jumped up region with ideas beyond its abilities, I don't see it as a viable country. But since you ask i think the idea of the nation state increasingly outdated and dangerous in this day and age. [Quote] 4. Right so you dont want to give Scotland any powers you would rather Westminster governments to be in charge ? Can you tell when did Scotland vote for a Tory government ? Are you happy with the cuts to welfare ? [/Quote] Again its not about SCOTLAND voting for a tory government, its about BRITAIN voting for one. [Quote] 5. So you dont have a clue on social work and housing on who is best running that ? [/Quote] I don't actually know what social work do, other than make increasing right wing pronouncements on the 'right' environments for children. Thats what a parliamentary democracy is for, so people who do know this sort of stuff can make the decisions. [Quote] Did you know SNP have build 60,000 house since they took office in 2007 and will build 50,000 in this term of government in Scotland ? [/Quote] How nice. Doesn't change the fact that the country (Britain) didn't vote for them. [Quote] Last thing you said Scottish Labour party please go look up the electoral commission in scotland and try and find this so called Scottish Labour party the correct name is Scottish Labour accounting unit which is just a branch office of the UK Labour party they have no power they get telt what to say and do from the UK Labour party [/Quote] Well thank God for that. Wow i have never seen someone live in Scotland and hate Scotland soooo much that you would want the Tories running Scotland. So you would love for the bedroom tax and fracking to happen in Scotland then 1. Fair enough you would rather the Tories to run Scotland but as i said you do know you can vote the Scottish Tory branch in Holyrood to try and get them in government ? 2. Ah thats your problem Scotland didnt vote the Tories infact if you look at it only England voted for the Tories yet Scotland , Wales and N.Ireland have to suffer the Tories 3. Scotland is not a region its a country. Ah right so you dont see country as a country. So i ask you do you see Germany , Brazil , Spain , USA , Canada , China , Japan, Norway , Sweden are they all independent countries ? So its just Scotland you have a big problem with ? Should all the countries around the world just join up and we have one big country ? Lol 4 so you dont have a clue on what social work actually do ? Wow just honestly wow thats embarrassing lol 5. Did you know Britain is NOT a country its an island you know the British isles ? Also the UK is NOT a country it is made up of 4 countries in a union But wow like i said i have never seen someone hate Scotland that much that they would love to see the Tories run Scotland's affairs i do wonder would would you take all those people that are not fit to work and had their money stopped or took off them by the Tories " As usual, your arguements have no factual basis, as you are continually reminded of every time you trot them out. We haven't had the frigates for a few weeks now.....finally accepted that we were right and you were wrong all along on that issue? | |||
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"I keep hearing that the Scottish parilament is suppose to be the most powerful parilament in the world" Where in the hell do you hear that from?  | |||
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"To clarify; there are NO "devolved" powers from the UK, to the EU. ZERO. NONE. NOT EVEN ONE. There are "conferred" powers from the UK to the EU. These conferred powers have NEVER been within the role, remit or responsibility of the devolved administrations. Never. Never ever. None of them. Ever. " I think we may need a comic strip to show this. One that everyone can understand. | |||
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"To clarify; there are NO "devolved" powers from the UK, to the EU. ZERO. NONE. NOT EVEN ONE. There are "conferred" powers from the UK to the EU. These conferred powers have NEVER been within the role, remit or responsibility of the devolved administrations. Never. Never ever. None of them. Ever. I think we may need a comic strip to show this. One that everyone can understand. "If you said the sky was blue they would tell you it was only blue for the Tory scum Englanders and that in Scotland the Sky is SNP Yellow! | |||
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"I hope that all devolved powers go back to Westminster. I am tired of paying more tax in Scotland whether it be incone tax or the new SDLT. The SNP are milking us dry to subsidise the proletariat! Kinky should concentrate on milking cock instead!" Just have a wee think about what your saying there So you want all of these devolved powers in the hands of the Tories ? Health Education Local Government Law Social Work and Housing Economic Development and Transport The Environment Agriculture, Forestry and Fishing Sport and the Arts So lets take a one of those that unionists love to moan about lets take local government So am i to understand you would be more than happy to see the Tories be in charge of council funding ? My my you must have some amount of faith in the Tories to do that lol | |||
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"I keep hearing that the Scottish parilament is suppose to be the most powerful parilament in the world Where in the hell do you hear that from? "Yup see this is why you have no understanding of things in Scotland I dare you to deny David Mundell never said that Scotland has the most powerful parilament in the world? Lol | |||
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"I keep hearing that the Scottish parilament is suppose to be the most powerful parilament in the world Where in the hell do you hear that from?
Yup see this is why you have no understanding of things in Scotland
I dare you to deny David Mundell never said that Scotland has the most powerful parilament in the world?
Lol "If he said it, then he's a moron. | |||
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"Ok lets get this straight So the already devolved powers will go back from the EU to Westminster and not straight back to Holyrood yet not one you can 100% tell me when those devolved powers will be given back to Holyrood and you also cant tell me 100% that Westminster wont take back a devolved power ? God alot of you must trust the Tories to never lie to you. Lol Then when i ask about the non devolved powers that is in this so called great powers bonzana that Mundell told Scotland we are getting not a single one of you can tell me what non devolved powers we are getting ? Again alot of you must trust the Tories that much and defend them too it would appear lol " It wouldn't make sense to devolve or powers currently conferred to the EU down to the devolved assemblies and parliaments. For example immigration control, agricultural and fisheries, anf foreign trade relations. If these powers were all devolved down then the united kingdom could loose regularity compliance within itself and have to introduce internal borders between each part. | |||
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"Ok lets get this straight So the already devolved powers will go back from the EU to Westminster and not straight back to Holyrood yet not one you can 100% tell me when those devolved powers will be given back to Holyrood and you also cant tell me 100% that Westminster wont take back a devolved power ? God alot of you must trust the Tories to never lie to you. Lol Then when i ask about the non devolved powers that is in this so called great powers bonzana that Mundell told Scotland we are getting not a single one of you can tell me what non devolved powers we are getting ? Again alot of you must trust the Tories that much and defend them too it would appear lol " It wouldn't make sense to devolve all powers currently conferred to the EU down to the devolved assemblies and parliaments. For example immigration control, agricultural and fisheries, and foreign trade relations. If these powers were all devolved down then the united kingdom could loose regularity compliance within itself and have to introduce internal borders between each part. | |||
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"I keep hearing that the Scottish parilament is suppose to be the most powerful parilament in the world Where in the hell do you hear that from?
Yup see this is why you have no understanding of things in Scotland
I dare you to deny David Mundell never said that Scotland has the most powerful parilament in the world?
Lol
If he said it, then he's a moron. "No If or buts he did say it Good we actually agree on something he is a moron | |||
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"To clarify; there are NO "devolved" powers from the UK, to the EU. ZERO. NONE. NOT EVEN ONE. There are "conferred" powers from the UK to the EU. These conferred powers have NEVER been within the role, remit or responsibility of the devolved administrations. Never. Never ever. None of them. Ever. I think we may need a comic strip to show this. One that everyone can understand.
If you said the sky was blue they would tell you it was only blue for the Tory scum Englanders and that in Scotland the Sky is SNP Yellow!"More likely grey. As an interesting aside the English word 'sky' is derived from the old Scandinavian word for 'cloud'. The premise being that when they looked up in Britain all they saw was clouds and they eventually forget what the original Scandinavian word for the sky actually was. | |||
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"So to clear on something Not one of you on here can 100% tell me when those devolved powers will be given back to Holyrood and you also cant tell me 100% that Westminster wont take back a devolved power ? Also not one of you can tell me which non devolved powers in the great powers bonzana Scotland will get ? Like i said alot of people must have some amount of faith and trust in the Tories to keep to their word not that a Tory has ever lied now to the public lol" You are using those words incorrectly | |||
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"I keep hearing that the Scottish parilament is suppose to be the most powerful parilament in the world Where in the hell do you hear that from?
Yup see this is why you have no understanding of things in Scotland
I dare you to deny David Mundell never said that Scotland has the most powerful parilament in the world?
Lol "What he actually said was "Scotland will have one of the most powerful devolved parliaments in the world" And it does. Probably not powerful enough for you but definitely far more powerful than Wales or Northern Ireland. | |||
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"I keep hearing that the Scottish parilament is suppose to be the most powerful parilament in the world Where in the hell do you hear that from?
Yup see this is why you have no understanding of things in Scotland
I dare you to deny David Mundell never said that Scotland has the most powerful parilament in the world?
Lol
What he actually said was "Scotland will have one of the most powerful devolved parliaments in the world"
And it does. Probably not powerful enough for you but definitely far more powerful than Wales or Northern Ireland."''most powerful devolved parliaments in the world'' So lets take Norway is Scotland's parliament more powerful that Norway's ? | |||
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"I keep hearing that the Scottish parilament is suppose to be the most powerful parilament in the world Where in the hell do you hear that from?
Yup see this is why you have no understanding of things in Scotland
I dare you to deny David Mundell never said that Scotland has the most powerful parilament in the world?
Lol
What he actually said was "Scotland will have one of the most powerful devolved parliaments in the world"
And it does. Probably not powerful enough for you but definitely far more powerful than Wales or Northern Ireland."Ah, well that is an entirely different quote. | |||
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"I keep hearing that the Scottish parilament is suppose to be the most powerful parilament in the world Where in the hell do you hear that from?
Yup see this is why you have no understanding of things in Scotland
I dare you to deny David Mundell never said that Scotland has the most powerful parilament in the world?
Lol
What he actually said was "Scotland will have one of the most powerful devolved parliaments in the world"
And it does. Probably not powerful enough for you but definitely far more powerful than Wales or Northern Ireland.
''most powerful devolved parliaments in the world''
So lets take Norway is Scotland's parliament more powerful that Norway's ?
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"So to clear on something Not one of you on here can 100% tell me when those devolved powers will be given back to Holyrood and you also cant tell me 100% that Westminster wont take back a devolved power ? Also not one of you can tell me which non devolved powers in the great powers bonzana Scotland will get ? Like i said alot of people must have some amount of faith and trust in the Tories to keep to their word not that a Tory has ever lied now to the public lol" I cam tell you absolute 100% that no powers that have been devoted to the EU will be given back to Holyrood for two simple reasons. No powers have ever been developed to the EU and what powers that have been conferred on to the EU were never originally at Holyrood and so could only ever be given, not given back. I can also tell you 100% that Holyrood will not get full devolved control of immigration, forestry fisheries and agricultural, nor any foreign trade relations and customs powers for the reasons I've already stated. Other powers probably will be devolved down but each one would have to looked at on case by case bases. | |||
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"I keep hearing that the Scottish parilament is suppose to be the most powerful parilament in the world Where in the hell do you hear that from?
Yup see this is why you have no understanding of things in Scotland
I dare you to deny David Mundell never said that Scotland has the most powerful parilament in the world?
Lol
What he actually said was "Scotland will have one of the most powerful devolved parliaments in the world"
And it does. Probably not powerful enough for you but definitely far more powerful than Wales or Northern Ireland.
''most powerful devolved parliaments in the world''
So lets take Norway is Scotland's parliament more powerful that Norway's ?
"Norway is a sovereign state with its own sovereign parliament Norway doesn't have a devolved parliament. I don't know enough about Norway to know if some province or area up in Lapland has a devolved assembly or parliament and, if it does, whether it has more or less power than Holyrood, maybe you can enlighten me on that. However Norway as a whole is run by a sovereign parliament, not a devolved one. Also the phrase was 'one of the most powerful' not 'the most powerful'. If you're going to quote someone at least quote them correctly. | |||
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"So to clear on something Not one of you on here can 100% tell me when those devolved powers will be given back to Holyrood and you also cant tell me 100% that Westminster wont take back a devolved power ? Also not one of you can tell me which non devolved powers in the great powers bonzana Scotland will get ? Like i said alot of people must have some amount of faith and trust in the Tories to keep to their word not that a Tory has ever lied now to the public lol" So to be clear on something. What powers are not going to be devolved in the future ? | |||
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"So to clear on something Not one of you on here can 100% tell me when those devolved powers will be given back to Holyrood and you also cant tell me 100% that Westminster wont take back a devolved power ? Also not one of you can tell me which non devolved powers in the great powers bonzana Scotland will get ? Like i said alot of people must have some amount of faith and trust in the Tories to keep to their word not that a Tory has ever lied now to the public lol I cam tell you absolute 100% that no powers that have been devoted to the EU will be given back to Holyrood for two simple reasons. No powers have ever been developed to the EU and what powers that have been conferred on to the EU were never originally at Holyrood and so could only ever be given, not given back. I can also tell you 100% that Holyrood will not get full devolved control of immigration, forestry fisheries and agricultural, nor any foreign trade relations and customs powers for the reasons I've already stated. Other powers probably will be devolved down but each one would have to looked at on case by case bases." And there is a fine example why you never trust the Tories remember this Micheal Gove: Scotland could be given greater control over immigration if the UK exits the European Union. He said it would be "for Scotland to decide" on immigration numbers to the country after Brexit | |||
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"So to clear on something Not one of you on here can 100% tell me when those devolved powers will be given back to Holyrood and you also cant tell me 100% that Westminster wont take back a devolved power ? Also not one of you can tell me which non devolved powers in the great powers bonzana Scotland will get ? Like i said alot of people must have some amount of faith and trust in the Tories to keep to their word not that a Tory has ever lied now to the public lol I cam tell you absolute 100% that no powers that have been devoted to the EU will be given back to Holyrood for two simple reasons. No powers have ever been developed to the EU and what powers that have been conferred on to the EU were never originally at Holyrood and so could only ever be given, not given back. I can also tell you 100% that Holyrood will not get full devolved control of immigration, forestry fisheries and agricultural, nor any foreign trade relations and customs powers for the reasons I've already stated. Other powers probably will be devolved down but each one would have to looked at on case by case bases. And there is a fine example why you never trust the Tories remember this Micheal Gove: Scotland could be given greater control over immigration if the UK exits the European Union. He said it would be "for Scotland to decide" on immigration numbers to the country after Brexit " Only if it had a hard border with England. | |||
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"So to clear on something Not one of you on here can 100% tell me when those devolved powers will be given back to Holyrood and you also cant tell me 100% that Westminster wont take back a devolved power ? Also not one of you can tell me which non devolved powers in the great powers bonzana Scotland will get ? Like i said alot of people must have some amount of faith and trust in the Tories to keep to their word not that a Tory has ever lied now to the public lol" see you talk about powers given back to the administrations..... that is the bit you don't seem to understand... they were never given to you in the first place!!!! the monies given to scottish farmers and fishermen in effect comes from the wider EU pot into which the UK govt commits funding.... that would the the CFP for fishermen and the CAP for farmers! and as for not trusting governments "down south"... well actually this government has actually given the devolved adminstration MORE powers since 2010... and even 2015!!! you see all those new welfare powers you are getting as of next april.... well, can i let you into a wee secret... there were actually timetables to be give to you in april 2016.... but your snp administration actually got the current govt to delay it as "it wasn't wasn't in the interest of the scottish govt to have it at that time!" (politi-speak for we aren't ready even though we wanted these powers and you said sure, and we didn't have the infrusture sorted, even though the civil service wanted to help you and would have had everything ready!) governments of all colours have been giving you more and more powers since its inception.... so if you can tell me one power they have taken away from you... id be really interested to hear what that would be!!! | |||
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"So to clear on something Not one of you on here can 100% tell me when those devolved powers will be given back to Holyrood and you also cant tell me 100% that Westminster wont take back a devolved power ? Also not one of you can tell me which non devolved powers in the great powers bonzana Scotland will get ? Like i said alot of people must have some amount of faith and trust in the Tories to keep to their word not that a Tory has ever lied now to the public lol I cam tell you absolute 100% that no powers that have been devoted to the EU will be given back to Holyrood for two simple reasons. No powers have ever been developed to the EU and what powers that have been conferred on to the EU were never originally at Holyrood and so could only ever be given, not given back. I can also tell you 100% that Holyrood will not get full devolved control of immigration, forestry fisheries and agricultural, nor any foreign trade relations and customs powers for the reasons I've already stated. Other powers probably will be devolved down but each one would have to looked at on case by case bases. And there is a fine example why you never trust the Tories remember this Micheal Gove: Scotland could be given greater control over immigration if the UK exits the European Union. He said it would be "for Scotland to decide" on immigration numbers to the country after Brexit Only if it had a hard border with England. " Is that what Micheal Gove told you ? Please by all means find a quote from Michael Gove telling people that Scotland will only get immigration powers when the UK leaves the EU if there is a border between Scotland and England ? | |||
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"Fabio quick question See the new welfare powers you are on about will Scotland get the new welfare powers fully devolved to Scotland ? Or will Westminster still have some of the welfare powers ? " you will get all the money to administer all the welfare powers within the current structures... you get to do it how you like you can even top them up using discresionary payments if you like (but that must come out of your budgets) the current govt even offered you pensions as well... the snp turned them down... so it will be work aged based welfare benefits only | |||
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"Fabio quick question See the new welfare powers you are on about will Scotland get the new welfare powers fully devolved to Scotland ? Or will Westminster still have some of the welfare powers ? you will get all the money to administer all the welfare powers within the current structures... you get to do it how you like you can even top them up using discresionary payments if you like (but that must come out of your budgets) the current govt even offered you pensions as well... the snp turned them down... so it will be work aged based welfare benefits only" Again Fabio answer my question is these new welfare powers that you are on about going to be fully devolved yes or no ? | |||
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"Fabio quick question See the new welfare powers you are on about will Scotland get the new welfare powers fully devolved to Scotland ? Or will Westminster still have some of the welfare powers ? you will get all the money to administer all the welfare powers within the current structures... you get to do it how you like you can even top them up using discresionary payments if you like (but that must come out of your budgets) the current govt even offered you pensions as well... the snp turned them down... so it will be work aged based welfare benefits only Again Fabio answer my question is these new welfare powers that you are on about going to be fully devolved yes or no ? " what part of my answer wasn't full enough for you? ..... would you like me to put the word "YES" in front of them! 
YES.... you will get all the money to administer all the welfare powers within the current structures...
YES.... you get to do it how you like (so if you wanted to change the payment structures from 4 weekly to weekly for example... you can!)
YES.... you can even top them up using discresionary payments if you like (but that must come out of your budgets)
and YES.... the current govt even offered you the right to administer state pensions as well... but the snp turned them down and said NO... so at this time it will be work aged based welfare benefits only...... | |||
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"So to clear on something Not one of you on here can 100% tell me when those devolved powers will be given back to Holyrood and you also cant tell me 100% that Westminster wont take back a devolved power ? Also not one of you can tell me which non devolved powers in the great powers bonzana Scotland will get ? Like i said alot of people must have some amount of faith and trust in the Tories to keep to their word not that a Tory has ever lied now to the public lol I cam tell you absolute 100% that no powers that have been devoted to the EU will be given back to Holyrood for two simple reasons. No powers have ever been developed to the EU and what powers that have been conferred on to the EU were never originally at Holyrood and so could only ever be given, not given back. I can also tell you 100% that Holyrood will not get full devolved control of immigration, forestry fisheries and agricultural, nor any foreign trade relations and customs powers for the reasons I've already stated. Other powers probably will be devolved down but each one would have to looked at on case by case bases. And there is a fine example why you never trust the Tories remember this Micheal Gove: Scotland could be given greater control over immigration if the UK exits the European Union. He said it would be "for Scotland to decide" on immigration numbers to the country after Brexit " I don't trust a,single word Gove says but not because he's a Tory but because he's a nationalist. It really doesn't seem to matter if you're a Scots Nationalist, Welsh Nationalist, English Nationalist, UK nationalist or even Irish Nationalist. They're all the same, just spending their time making bogus arguments that have little or no relationship with the truth to gain populist support. Right wing, xenophobic, intolerant, exclusive and populist. The very worst sort of people a democratic society can throw up. | |||
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"So to clear on something Not one of you on here can 100% tell me when those devolved powers will be given back to Holyrood and you also cant tell me 100% that Westminster wont take back a devolved power ? Also not one of you can tell me which non devolved powers in the great powers bonzana Scotland will get ? Like i said alot of people must have some amount of faith and trust in the Tories to keep to their word not that a Tory has ever lied now to the public lol I cam tell you absolute 100% that no powers that have been devoted to the EU will be given back to Holyrood for two simple reasons. No powers have ever been developed to the EU and what powers that have been conferred on to the EU were never originally at Holyrood and so could only ever be given, not given back. I can also tell you 100% that Holyrood will not get full devolved control of immigration, forestry fisheries and agricultural, nor any foreign trade relations and customs powers for the reasons I've already stated. Other powers probably will be devolved down but each one would have to looked at on case by case bases. And there is a fine example why you never trust the Tories remember this Micheal Gove: Scotland could be given greater control over immigration if the UK exits the European Union. He said it would be "for Scotland to decide" on immigration numbers to the country after Brexit Only if it had a hard border with England. Is that what Micheal Gove told you ? Please by all means find a quote from Michael Gove telling people that Scotland will only get immigration powers when the UK leaves the EU if there is a border between Scotland and England ? " If Scotland had an immigration policy that was significantly different from the rest of the UK's then there would have to be an immigration border between the two. It doesn't have to be said explicitly, one simply follows the other. | |||
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"Kinky, how can you control immigration if you are not controlling/monitoring/policing the border??? You really will fall for anything! "I.m still getting over the fact they thought norway was an example of a devolved administration.... which goes to show if you are going to argue, least know the subject of which you are argueing I'm guessing the talking points are coming from rev wings again..... | |||
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"So again to be clear None of you can find me a direct quote from Micheal Gove sayingto people that Scotland will only get immigration powers when the UK leaves the EU if there is a border between Scotland and England ? Now thats abit misleading correct ? But hey you lot will keep defending the so called party you all dont like ( Tories) Still also waiting to hear what non devolved powers Scotland will get in this great powers bonzana ? Scotland has been shafted before on getting extra powers / devo max Home Rule Yet you all so keen to trust the Tories to deliver on there promise yet again lmao Last wee thing for all those ready to defend the Tories what single target have the Tories managed to get since 2010 ? Yet for some god awful reason England still votes them jnto government " No one is defending the Tories, we are all just laughing at your ineptitude. | |||
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"So again to be clear None of you can find me a direct quote from Micheal Gove sayingto people that Scotland will only get immigration powers when the UK leaves the EU if there is a border between Scotland and England ? Now thats abit misleading correct ? But hey you lot will keep defending the so called party you all dont like ( Tories) Still also waiting to hear what non devolved powers Scotland will get in this great powers bonzana ? Scotland has been shafted before on getting extra powers / devo max Home Rule Yet you all so keen to trust the Tories to deliver on there promise yet again lmao Last wee thing for all those ready to defend the Tories what single target have the Tories managed to get since 2010 ? Yet for some god awful reason England still votes them jnto government No one is defending the Tories, we are all just laughing at your ineptitude. " Aye well am laughing at all you that cannot find me a direct quote from Micheal Gove to say Scotland will only get immigration powers when the UK leaves the EU if there is a border between Scotland and England And if your all confident by allmeans tell me what non devolved powers Scotland will get in this great powers bonzana ? After all you seem pretty confident the Tories will deliver that correct ? Grow a pair and name each power then lol How many Tories targets have the Tories managed to get since 2010 ? | |||
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"So again to be clear None of you can find me a direct quote from Micheal Gove sayingto people that Scotland will only get immigration powers when the UK leaves the EU if there is a border between Scotland and England ? Now thats abit misleading correct ? But hey you lot will keep defending the so called party you all dont like ( Tories) Still also waiting to hear what non devolved powers Scotland will get in this great powers bonzana ? Scotland has been shafted before on getting extra powers / devo max Home Rule Yet you all so keen to trust the Tories to deliver on there promise yet again lmao Last wee thing for all those ready to defend the Tories what single target have the Tories managed to get since 2010 ? Yet for some god awful reason England still votes them jnto government " i just want to make sure i get what you are saying is correct.... 1) are you saying that scotland should have control over immigration? 2) other that agriculture and fisheries, which have been explained to you what the situation is at this time, what other powers would you like that you don't already have? I am interested to know without you going into your regular rants.... | |||
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"So again to be clear None of you can find me a direct quote from Micheal Gove sayingto people that Scotland will only get immigration powers when the UK leaves the EU if there is a border between Scotland and England ? Now thats abit misleading correct ? But hey you lot will keep defending the so called party you all dont like ( Tories) Still also waiting to hear what non devolved powers Scotland will get in this great powers bonzana ? Scotland has been shafted before on getting extra powers / devo max Home Rule Yet you all so keen to trust the Tories to deliver on there promise yet again lmao Last wee thing for all those ready to defend the Tories what single target have the Tories managed to get since 2010 ? Yet for some god awful reason England still votes them jnto government No one is defending the Tories, we are all just laughing at your ineptitude. Aye well am laughing at all you that cannot find me a direct quote from Micheal Gove to say Scotland will only get immigration powers when the UK leaves the EU if there is a border between Scotland and England And if your all confident by allmeans tell me what non devolved powers Scotland will get in this great powers bonzana ? After all you seem pretty confident the Tories will deliver that correct ? Grow a pair and name each power then lol How many Tories targets have the Tories managed to get since 2010 ?" You laugh away kinky. You are the one thinking you can control immigration without monitoring the border! | |||
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" You laugh away kinky. You are the one thinking you can control immigration without monitoring the border! "CLCC... can i ask you to just stay quiet (i know its going to be touch with the amount of nonsence they are talking right now)... but i think we need the answer to the 2 questions I asked before we then explain to kinky why "in theory" michael gove (who i agree without over almost nothing) would be correct in what he said.... | |||
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"1. Yes that was a promise made to Scotland after all correct ? What are people saying here its ok to promise something then its ok to then break the promise ? 2. How about them all i dont know if its clicked yet i want Scotland to be independent so yeah all the powers If people wanna keep the Uk union then better start to deliver Home Rule then The sooner people get it into their heads the independence movement will never die you cant force people to stop believing and fighting for independence lol Imagine telling someone to stay quiet this is forum for all to speak he is more than welcome too " answered 1 out of 2.... i'll take that as progress.... so.... immigration.... quick question for you.... do you just how many devolved administrations have control over immigration?? (spoiler to save you hours of trying to find out.... the answer is none) what would you say if catalonia or the basque region had a different immigation policy from spain, that bavaria or saxony ha a different policy from germany, that new south wales or queenland had a different policy from australia that california or texas has a different policy from the united states.... see thats in effect what you have just asked for...... all of those are devolved administrations within a national or federal structure immigration had always been done at a national level.... if you want different immigration policies for different parts of a county... the yes, michael gove would be correct in that you would then need a border between england and scotland... otherwise what would stop people going thru one part to get to another!!!!!! --------------------------------------- so would you like to have a stab at the other question without just using general language and saying nothing.... "what SPECIFIC powers that you don't have at the moment, would you like have?" (you have been told that at this point in time agriculture and fisheries are off the table) something SPECIFIC please....... | |||
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" Imagine telling someone to stay quiet this is forum for all to speak he is more than welcome too " I only asked CLCC to stay quiet for a moment just because i didn't want to give you a chance to bait and switch as you usually do... i just wanted to actually nail you down on a topic just so people could see what you actually know... or in this case "don't know/don't understand" | |||
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" Imagine telling someone to stay quiet this is forum for all to speak he is more than welcome too I only asked CLCC to stay quiet for a moment just because i didn't want to give you a chance to bait and switch as you usually do... i just wanted to actually nail you down on a topic just so people could see what you actually know... or in this case "don't know/don't understand"" But he didnt have too and you didnt need to tell him too he is free to post anytime he wishes not to be told by someone to keep quiet Lol | |||
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"1. Yes that was a promise made to Scotland after all correct ? What are people saying here its ok to promise something then its ok to then break the promise ? 2. How about them all i dont know if its clicked yet i want Scotland to be independent so yeah all the powers If people wanna keep the Uk union then better start to deliver Home Rule then The sooner people get it into their heads the independence movement will never die you cant force people to stop believing and fighting for independence lol Imagine telling someone to stay quiet this is forum for all to speak he is more than welcome too answered 1 out of 2.... i'll take that as progress.... so.... immigration.... quick question for you.... do you just how many devolved administrations have control over immigration?? (spoiler to save you hours of trying to find out.... the answer is none) what would you say if catalonia or the basque region had a different immigation policy from spain, that bavaria or saxony ha a different policy from germany, that new south wales or queenland had a different policy from australia that california or texas has a different policy from the united states.... see thats in effect what you have just asked for...... all of those are devolved administrations within a national or federal structure immigration had always been done at a national level.... if you want different immigration policies for different parts of a county... the yes, michael gove would be correct in that you would then need a border between england and scotland... otherwise what would stop people going thru one part to get to another!!!!!! --------------------------------------- so would you like to have a stab at the other question without just using general language and saying nothing.... "what SPECIFIC powers that you don't have at the moment, would you like have?" (you have been told that at this point in time agriculture and fisheries are off the table) something SPECIFIC please......." No i answered two of the questions You asked what powers would i like i answered you saying ALL the powers Are you saying it cant be done ? Am pretty sure it can be done. Whats coming next will people be saying lets build Hadrian's Wall can get Scotland people to pay for it ? lol If England want a border then build it and pay for it | |||
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" No i answered two of the questions You asked what powers would i like i answered you saying ALL the powers Are you saying it cant be done ? Am pretty sure it can be done. " since the only things kept at National level are Economic, Foreign and defence policy... what you have just advocated for is the break up of the army, the navy, the air force and the bank of england....... if scotland wants to build its own power plants and scotland only pay for it... I am all for that!!!! it would be madness but since its kinkys world, lets run with it!!!! as an ironic aside... you know how you were argueing over the number of navy ships that were being built on the clyde, under your proposal the answer would be "none"....... "Whats coming next will people be saying lets build Hadrian's Wall can get Scotland people to pay for it ? lol If England want a border then build it and pay for it " okay... devils advocate time.... lets say england and scotland under your world want different numbers of immigrants.... and lets say scotland reached whatever quota they had.... "how would you stop people from england rushing up to scotland?"  | |||
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" No i answered two of the questions You asked what powers would i like i answered you saying ALL the powers Are you saying it cant be done ? Am pretty sure it can be done. since the only things kept at National level are Economic, Foreign and defence policy... what you have just advocated for is the break up of the army, the navy, the air force and the bank of england....... if scotland wants to build its own power plants and scotland only pay for it... I am all for that!!!! it would be madness but since its kinkys world, lets run with it!!!! as an ironic aside... you know how you were argueing over the number of navy ships that were being built on the clyde, under your proposal the answer would be "none"....... Whats coming next will people be saying lets build Hadrian's Wall can get Scotland people to pay for it ? lol If England want a border then build it and pay for it okay... devils advocate time.... lets say england and scotland under your world want different numbers of immigrants.... and lets say scotland reached whatever quota they had.... "how would you stop people from england rushing up to scotland?" "That would be upto the Scottish government correct ? I cant answer for them But there seems to be alot of people in England not everyone but a good few that dont want to let people into the country and telling people that live in England they aint welcome that is shocking Where as here in Scotland everyone is welcome doesnt matter where you are born you wanna make Scotland your home then your bloody Scottish in our eyes. But like i said if England feel that strong about a border then thats upto them to build it and pay for it | |||
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"So again to be clear None of you can find me a direct quote from Micheal Gove sayingto people that Scotland will only get immigration powers when the UK leaves the EU if there is a border between Scotland and England ? Now thats abit misleading correct ? But hey you lot will keep defending the so called party you all dont like ( Tories) Still also waiting to hear what non devolved powers Scotland will get in this great powers bonzana ? Scotland has been shafted before on getting extra powers / devo max Home Rule Yet you all so keen to trust the Tories to deliver on there promise yet again lmao Last wee thing for all those ready to defend the Tories what single target have the Tories managed to get since 2010 ? Yet for some god awful reason England still votes them jnto government " He never said Scotland could have greater control of immigration when we left the EU if there is a border between Scotland and England because that would be putting the cart before the horse. What he said was that, if we leave the EU Scotland could be given more control over immigration. That is actually true, it could be given greater control over immigration than it has now. That is all he said. The consequence of that greater control, if it lead to a significant difference in the immigration rules in Scotland than in the rest of the UK, would an immigration control border between Scotland and the rest of the UK. For that reason, while Scotland remains a part of the Union of Great Britain it's probably not going to happen. In fact if you want to be part of a common travel area within the British Isles, whether as part of the UK or an independent state like the Irish Republic, you're going to have to have a pretty similar if not exactly the same immigration policy as the rest of that common travel area. That's what the whole EU 'freedom of movement' argument is about. It's also why the Republic chose from the 1920s until now to keep its own immigration policies broadly in line with the UK's. And, just for the record, when or if the Northern Ireland customs border is sorted out the immigration border will still be left to solve. | |||
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"1. Yes that was a promise made to Scotland after all correct ? What are people saying here its ok to promise something then its ok to then break the promise ? 2. How about them all i dont know if its clicked yet i want Scotland to be independent so yeah all the powers If people wanna keep the Uk union then better start to deliver Home Rule then The sooner people get it into their heads the independence movement will never die you cant force people to stop believing and fighting for independence lol Imagine telling someone to stay quiet this is forum for all to speak he is more than welcome too answered 1 out of 2.... i'll take that as progress.... so.... immigration.... quick question for you.... do you just how many devolved administrations have control over immigration?? (spoiler to save you hours of trying to find out.... the answer is none) what would you say if catalonia or the basque region had a different immigation policy from spain, that bavaria or saxony ha a different policy from germany, that new south wales or queenland had a different policy from australia that california or texas has a different policy from the united states.... see thats in effect what you have just asked for...... all of those are devolved administrations within a national or federal structure immigration had always been done at a national level.... if you want different immigration policies for different parts of a county... the yes, michael gove would be correct in that you would then need a border between england and scotland... otherwise what would stop people going thru one part to get to another!!!!!! --------------------------------------- so would you like to have a stab at the other question without just using general language and saying nothing.... "what SPECIFIC powers that you don't have at the moment, would you like have?" (you have been told that at this point in time agriculture and fisheries are off the table) something SPECIFIC please......." Some parts of agricultural and fisheries could be devolved but the main part to do with the setting of quality and safety standards could not as this would lead to regularity divergence and with that also the need for a customs border. | |||
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" No i answered two of the questions You asked what powers would i like i answered you saying ALL the powers Are you saying it cant be done ? Am pretty sure it can be done. since the only things kept at National level are Economic, Foreign and defence policy... what you have just advocated for is the break up of the army, the navy, the air force and the bank of england....... if scotland wants to build its own power plants and scotland only pay for it... I am all for that!!!! it would be madness but since its kinkys world, lets run with it!!!! as an ironic aside... you know how you were argueing over the number of navy ships that were being built on the clyde, under your proposal the answer would be "none"....... Whats coming next will people be saying lets build Hadrian's Wall can get Scotland people to pay for it ? lol If England want a border then build it and pay for it okay... devils advocate time.... lets say england and scotland under your world want different numbers of immigrants.... and lets say scotland reached whatever quota they had.... "how would you stop people from england rushing up to scotland?" "Trust me Fabio under the snp there is very little to rush to Scotland for unless you love higher taxation and are tea total | |||
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" No i answered two of the questions You asked what powers would i like i answered you saying ALL the powers Are you saying it cant be done ? Am pretty sure it can be done. since the only things kept at National level are Economic, Foreign and defence policy... what you have just advocated for is the break up of the army, the navy, the air force and the bank of england....... if scotland wants to build its own power plants and scotland only pay for it... I am all for that!!!! it would be madness but since its kinkys world, lets run with it!!!! as an ironic aside... you know how you were argueing over the number of navy ships that were being built on the clyde, under your proposal the answer would be "none"....... Whats coming next will people be saying lets build Hadrian's Wall can get Scotland people to pay for it ? lol If England want a border then build it and pay for it okay... devils advocate time.... lets say england and scotland under your world want different numbers of immigrants.... and lets say scotland reached whatever quota they had.... "how would you stop people from england rushing up to scotland?"
Trust me Fabio under the snp there is very little to rush to Scotland for unless you love higher taxation and are tea total "Ouch having a go cause your carry out is going up in May lol you must love seeing people go into A&E and people with liver problems oh and kids getting there hands on drink For the people that want there carry outs the pricing going up wont stop them If it saves lifes why would that be a bad thing ? | |||
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"Sorry but I am almost tea total so I don't think the price of drink will affect me much. What there has not been an impact assesment of is the higher the price of alcohol the more attractive cheap drugs become. I would prefer proper alcohol education and taxation as the only benefactors of this poor legislation is the supermarkets profit margin." Good for you much better to be sober and health that kill your liver with that poison. You not happy that it could save lifes and keep alcohol out of kids hands the SNP are taken action while the rest sit and moan and come up quth no answers on what they would do better. Teaching kids and adults about the dangerous of alcohol might work but for others they wont care so higher prices will take it out there hands and keep them health is all good with me as i said those that want drink will still end up paying for their carry out | |||
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"If it is "poison", why does the snp allow it for public consumption. " s this nazi Germany? If people wanna drink alcohol thats upto them but hell at least the SNP are trying to tackle the problem of many people landing themselves in A&E and kids getting their hands on drink What is the unionists branches offices ideas? Oh thats right sit and moan there SNP bad shite | |||
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"The SNP aren't the only people who think the Scots can't be trusted with alcohol. In the Morrison's Christmas food to order catalogue they have a The Best Beer & Burger Kit. "Tender mini British beef burgers topped with a cheddar cheese melt in sweet brioche buns, served alongside shots of Yorkshire's Black Sheep Ale. (Sold with Irn-Bru in Scottish stores)" fucking Irn-Bru! "Irn Bru used to be liquid sugar! | |||
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"I swear to god there has been alot of sick moments but tonight takes it to a whole new level of sick bastards the Tories really are So There you have it Westminster (and 13 Scottish Tory MPs) just voted for England to have power over all powers That means WM can overturn powers over things that are already devolved Yet no fucker will think of fishermen of farmers that goes out the window its defend the UK union at all costs no matter damn well what" I thought you already realised you are surrounded by submissive timid gutless people, surly you realised that when Scotland lost our vote and our right to Independence!!!! . Do not criticise the 13 Scottish Tory MP's, Criticise the people of Scotland who voted them into power . We are surrounded by gutless scum, get used to it | |||
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"Scum? That comment says more about you than anyone that voted to stay in the United Kingdom." you need toopen your eyes, you should know if from Ayrshire | |||
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"Brussels good. London bad. More Orwellian nonsense from Kinky. Might of known it Ticklybit defending the Tories grabbing back power from Holyrood. So just out of interest what is it you then tell the farmers and fishermen ? " Well wee nippy keeps telling the farmers the cheques in the post | |||
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