FabSwingers.com forum: Brexit progress agreed, Torys concede on all 3 areas

By *xplicitlyrics OP Man
over a year ago

south dublin

So its being reported this lunchtime that theyre finalising the text for agreement on moving forward. Divorce bill paid in full,Northern Ireland will have no divergence from the South and citizen rights agreed.

Thoughts?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So its being reported this lunchtime that theyre finalising the text for agreement on moving forward. Divorce bill paid in full,Northern Ireland will have no divergence from the South and citizen rights agreed.

Thoughts?"

As May and a few others say....its what we voted for

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By *xplicitlyrics OP Man
over a year ago

south dublin

As we saw last week the Torys agreed to pay the full bill for leaving the EU. Today see's them agree to no regulatory divergence between the North and South. This means that the North will be adopting regulations and EU directives to maintain standards and avoid a border between the Republic and North.

Simon Coveney:

"We have now a language that gives us the safeguards we need; that there is reassurance for people there is not going to be a re-emergence of a border.

Irish concerns are going to be addressed fully."

The DUP are kicking up about it obviously but it seems unlikely that they'll throw a spanner in the works at this stage despite their bluster.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

DUP have rejected it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Tory “spin”?

We always said we would meet our financial obligations. (Though they never said what these would be)

We always wanted to maintain an open border between NI and Republic. (To be fair all sides said this....if we eventually get a tariff free trade deal then it would always have been the case). Could be problems if border ends up in the sea!

We always said we would maintain existing EU residents rights (Not sure the “rights” of existing EU residents was ever a problem... but which court arbitrates? Wonder how that will sit with Farage and Rees-Mogg)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The UK's brexit negotiations can be summed up thusly:

NEVER! NEVER! NEVER!..... ok

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The Tory “spin”?

We always said we would meet our financial obligations. (Though they never said what these would be)

I think you will find we never

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By *xplicitlyrics OP Man
over a year ago

south dublin

"The Tory “spin”?

Its Centaurs spin I really want to see. I wonder does he still remember those heady days in Spring when he thought the EU would end up acceding to all the demands of David "British Lion" Davis.

Back to events:

Timetable as it stands: 2pm Arlene Foster speaks, 2.30pm Leo Varadkar speaks, 3pm May meets Tusk, 4pm statement from May??? Also Sturgeon expected to make statement at some point.

Foster has said any divergence between the UK and NI is unacceptable, but obviously she would at this stage. Looks like they'll try and massage the language so the DUP can try and spin it to their voters a bit. Much like the Tories are trying to do with the Divorce bill. Luckily for both the EU has said they can spin whatever they want as theyve gotten what they wanted and thats all that matters.

Excellent work from Barnier and the EU throughout this process. Theyve been organised, well prepared, united and its shown in the final result. Theyve gotten everything they were looking for and as a bonus the best way May has to avoid her government falling is to keep all of the UK in the customs union.

Roll on stage 2, the EU negotiators will be in fine form Im sure while the Tory negotiators will now be heading in to what should be the more difficult half of negotiations having been beaten from pillar to post for 9 months.

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By *xplicitlyrics OP Man
over a year ago

south dublin

Londo Mayor Sadiq Khan: Huge ramifications for London if Theresa May has conceded that it's possible for part of the UK to remain within the single market & customs union after Brexit. Londoners overwhelmingly voted to remain in the EU and a similar deal here could protect tens of thousands of jobs.

While clearly not a realistic option for London to have a seperate customs option to the rest of Britain, it does show that people are going to push to stay in the single market and customs union.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Londo Mayor Sadiq Khan: Huge ramifications for London if Theresa May has conceded that it's possible for part of the UK to remain within the single market & customs union after Brexit. Londoners overwhelmingly voted to remain in the EU and a similar deal here could protect tens of thousands of jobs.

While clearly not a realistic option for London to have a seperate customs option to the rest of Britain, it does show that people are going to push to stay in the single market and customs union."

As did Scotland....personally it would be unfair not to offer them the same deal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So what now ! Trade talks or an election ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sturgon has just said that there seems to be no reason why Scotland cant stay in the Customs Union and the single market now if Nth Ireland can...what a total balls up by these inept bunch of tossers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

While clearly not a realistic option for London to have a seperate customs option to the rest of Britain, it does show that people are going to push to stay in the single market and customs union."

It's looking like that , but what's brexit without brexit , this mean UK stays in the eu

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sturgon has just said that there seems to be no reason why Scotland cant stay in the Customs Union and the single market now if Nth Ireland can...what a total balls up by these inept bunch of tossers

DUP would be happy no border in the irish sea put it between scotland and England instead

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

DUP would be happy no border in the irish sea put it between scotland and England instead

No they dont want a sea border either

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

While clearly not a realistic option for London to have a seperate customs option to the rest of Britain, it does show that people are going to push to stay in the single market and customs union."

Cambridge voted to stay too. Maybe we'll be staying in the SM & CU.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"The Tory “spin”?

We always said we would meet our financial obligations. (Though they never said what these would be)

The Tories always said they would meet the financial obligations? So they never said the following?

"Since we joined the common market on 1 January 1973 until the day we leave, we will have given the EU and its predecessors, in today’s money, in real terms, a total of £209bn. Will you make it clear to the EU that if they want a penny piece more then they can go whistle?” Hollobone said.

Johnson replied: “I’m sure that your words will have broken like a thunderclap over Brussels and they will pay attention to what you have said.

“He makes a very valid point and I think that the sums that I have seen that they propose to demand from this country seem to me to be extortionate and I think ‘to go whistle’ is an entirely appropriate expression.”

Huh? The never said that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just watching the lady brexit co coordinator making Peter Lilly a former conservative minister look so foolish....one of her quotes was.

'well you wanted to leave and have control of your borders'

His reply

'well Ireland is a special case'

Her reply.

'then why didnt you inform the British people of this before the referendum...you have got your will and you are leaving the EU and taking back control of your borders'

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

What would the UK election results be if voted for tomorrow? Further Conservative trashing, inability to govern, even with DUP? Or completely different...

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By *xplicitlyrics OP Man
over a year ago

south dublin

No announcement today, but the deal is agreed. Not been said if its the Irish border or citizen rights but in all liklihood its a case of finessing the language to keep the DUP happy. Tory spin is that regulatory harmony is somehow not just a phrase to disguise that the North and South are going to have a common market area within the EU. But in a post truth world where people just want to be able to tell themselves theyre correct it might be enough to keep the hard right happy.

The Welsh First Minister has joined Sturgeon and Khan in saying their areas should get to stay in the CU/SM.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Staffordshire has also applied to keep the same status as NI. Great news for Cannock residents

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"What would the UK election results be if voted for tomorrow? Further Conservative trashing, inability to govern, even with DUP? Or completely different..."

I bet if you changed your name to "none of the above" and stood for parliament, you would win by a country mile!

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Staffordshire has also applied to keep the same status as NI. Great news for Cannock residents

I'm sure Cannock residents will be thrilled.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Seems the OP may have been premature in his assumptions in the Opening Post of this thread. Jean Claude Juncker just made a statement saying no agreement on the NI border has been reached today and an agreement on it won't be reached today. So not only is the title of this thread a joke it's completely false, wrong and misleading.

So point 1, no agreement on the border.

Point 2 on the divorce bill seems to be more or less agreed although the official figure still hasn't been released. Most reports suggest the agreed figure is less than £50 billion pounds sterling (which I said it would be) and an absolute bargain considering the EU started off demanding a ridiculous figure of £100 billion. The UK's first concrete offer was £18 billion, against the EU's first figure of £100 billion it's clear the UK has moved less distance on this than the EU if the final bill is less than £50 billion, so that's a clear win for the UK on the divorce bill. It's still more than I personally would like to have paid but if this is the cost of our freedom from that steaming pile of bureaucratic shit in Brussels so be it. After our exit in March 2019 and the 2 year transition then we'll no longer be on the hook for an annual EU membership bill of nearly £9 billion. A one off payment of less than £50 billion is peanuts compared to paying around £9 billion a year indefinitely.

On point 3, citizens rights also seems to be broadly agreed. No future role for the ECJ in Britain after Brexit and the UK Supreme court will be the final court. The Uk Supreme court will decide if any cases get refereed to the ECJ and then any ECJ rulings will only be advisory to be taken into consideration by the the UK Supreme court, ultimately it will be the UK Supreme court which decides on rulings in Britain after Brexit and not the ECJ. Looks like another defeat for the EU on citizens rights and the ECJ then.

Back to the NI border the DUP have said they will not accept remaining in the single market and the customs union if the rest of the UK leaves and it's clear the rest of the UK is leaving the single market and the customs union.

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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago

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If this agreed and N.Ireland get a special deal and Scotland dont then wave goodbye to the UK

The other way would be if the DUP dont support it and end the deal they have with the UK government to propping the UK government up so the Tories stay in power meaning a UK election i say bring that one too

As in Scotland we already know and have voted for SNP policies so the SNP could fight the election on one single policy to have an independence referendum and if they get a majority of MP's bingo another mandate to go with the ones the Scottish government already have

Either way the UK looks like in a very dangerous way of breaking apart and all of this would be the Tories doing irony eh that the Tory party that claim to be the unionist party will break the UK up lmao

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Staffordshire has also applied to keep the same status as NI. Great news for Cannock residents

Just to be clear nothing has been agreed in Northern Ireland so how could Staffordshire apply to keep the same status if nothing is agreed? I very much doubt Staffordshire would want to remain in the single market and customs union anyway as many areas of Staffordshire voted some of the highest percentages of Leave in the country in the referendum. Cannock voted around 68 to 69% Leave. Nearby Stoke in Staffordshire was called the Brexit capital of Britain as areas in Stoke voted around 70% leave. You won't find many remainers in Staffordshire.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

So basically May is saying thank you DUP for propping me up (we wont mention the bribe from the none existing money tree) but as i am weak and the Tory far right EU haters have me by the short and curlies you the good people of NI can stay for the greater good of us over in the EU..

your not really part of us over here so bye and wait patiently for reunification..

take one for the team, even though your not really in the team..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Staffordshire has also applied to keep the same status as NI. Great news for Cannock residents

No surprises there then is there considering that most right wing extremists groups are based there

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By *utandbigMan
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"Staffordshire has also applied to keep the same status as NI. Great news for Cannock residents

No surprises there then is there considering that most right wing extremists groups are based there

Agree 100% have to be careful what I say if you get my drift

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Staffordshire has also applied to keep the same status as NI. Great news for Cannock residents

No surprises there then is there considering that most right wing extremists groups are based there

Such as? Only ask because you don't actually name any? What evidence do you have for this ridiculous assumption?

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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

So from the wee bit i saw before going out there is no agreement from the UK and EU on the Irish border lol

And the UK government thought the DUP wouldnt have a problem with it lol

Yeah some UK this is suppose to be eh where the UK government who are only in government because of the bribe they gave the DUP to prop them up couldnt even be arsed to tell the DUP first of what the offer was going to be to the EU lol

Wake up people these Tories think they can do as they please without telling people anything and think its there right to push through what they want

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I'm sure that leading Staffordshire residents from the age of enlightenment, would be spinning in their graves today upon hearing of some closed mindedness and becoming insular.

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent

"Staffordshire has also applied to keep the same status as NI. Great news for Cannock residents

A level of satire that Johns Bird and Fortune would be proud of

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By *xplicitlyrics OP Man
over a year ago

south dublin

"Seems the OP may have been premature in his assumptions in the Opening Post of this thread. Jean Claude Juncker just made a statement saying no agreement on the NI border has been reached today and an agreement on it won't be reached today. So not only is the title of this thread a joke it's completely false, wrong and misleading.

So point 1, no agreement on the border.

Can we get some straws here for Centaur, preferably British made, he seems to be grasping for some.

Everyones reporting £50bn now. The original reports were between £45 and £55 but as more informations come out since the initial leak its the higher end. Even the Mail, Telegraph and Sun are saying £50bn. No one is still saying less.

The €100bn was speculation and was never asked for by the EU. The Tories have agreed to pay the FULL amount the EU said they owed.

May and Juncker have said they are down to the last 2 points on language and it will be finalised this week. If you want to be pedantic and say its only 99.9% agreed then go for it. But its happening. May and Davis have conceded again.

And we'll see about the ECJ, I already predicted that there'd be a joint UK/EU court this summer for trade issues and that was agreed months ago. Are May and Davis going to concede on sequencing, Northern Ireland, the divorce bill, the international trade court and the rest to then put up a fight on EU citizens being able to go to the ECJ?

Maybe the EU would show goodwill on that point if the UK makes strong enough concessions on settling rights, future rights of EU citizens and commits to maintaining an EU like state even once theyre out. But that would mean the UKs basically staying in the EU without some of the benefits.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"If this agreed and N.Ireland get a special deal and Scotland dont then wave goodbye to the UK

....... and in a earth shattering development i am going to say words i though i would never say....

"I absolutely agree with kinky!!!"

talking about this at work and someone jokingly suggest the hard border may ended up being between england and scotland..... i don't think that could be too far off the truth....

so this is where we find out if it is brexit first... or her party interest first.... its fascinating that the uk have balls this up so spectatularly....

if I was heading the ireland delegation, i now would not budge of the agreed text by a single word!!!!

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

anyway i wanted to ask centy and his brexit chums on here a questions...... just wanted to see how much he really cares....

"if getting your brexit dreams meant basically having to cut off northern ireland so they had to stay in the SM/CU..... would you do it?????"

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"What would the UK election results be if voted for tomorrow? Further Conservative trashing, inability to govern, even with DUP? Or completely different..."

i absolutely believe corbyn would win an election tomorrow... which is the last thing the dup would want.....

i want to see who is going to call who's bluff...

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"What would the UK election results be if voted for tomorrow? Further Conservative trashing, inability to govern, even with DUP? Or completely different...

i absolutely believe corbyn would win an election tomorrow... which is the last thing the dup would want.....

i want to see who is going to call who's bluff... "

I agree. There are some desperate politicians around

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

There wont be many people in certain parts of NI even thinking of uttering the phrase 'will of the people' tonight..

sacrificial lamb to appease about a dozen EU haters and leave at whatever the cost to the union Tories in Parliament..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At this point I expect that labour are trying to find out who to direct PMQ questions to tomorrow, May or Arlene Foster.

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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

I 100% agree on this from someone on social media

Regardless of whether the deal that allows NI to remain in the Single Market goes ahead or not, May has already implicitly conceded such a special deal is possible

I think alot of people today have seen the Tories havent a fucking clue on how to make brexit successful for all of the UK

It just goes to prove the United Kingdom is not so united infact it never has been been united

A week to solve the problem its not looing good for the UK either its the UK breaks apart of a vote of no confidence is coming triggering an election

Which in my opinion if a UK election did happen then since here in Scotland we already know and did vote for the SNP manifesto in June 2017 i believe the SNP should run with a single manifesto policy to hold an independence referendum and if they win in Scotland there is another mandate to go with the mandates that already exist for the Scottish government

This is all the Tories mess dont go blaming anyone else let the Tories know its their mess they caused this with their vanity project that was the EU advisory referendum to keep the UKIP vote away oh well people cant say they were not well warned of this

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"If this agreed and N.Ireland get a special deal and Scotland dont then wave goodbye to the UK

....... and in a earth shattering development i am going to say words i though i would never say....

"I absolutely agree with kinky!!!"

talking about this at work and someone jokingly suggest the hard border may ended up being between england and scotland..... i don't think that could be too far off the truth....

so this is where we find out if it is brexit first... or her party interest first.... its fascinating that the uk have balls this up so spectatularly....

if I was heading the ireland delegation, i now would not budge of the agreed text by a single word!!!!

No no no _abio, that's just project fear, remember.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So from the wee bit i saw before going out there is no agreement from the UK and EU on the Irish border lol

And the UK government thought the DUP wouldnt have a problem with it lol

Wake up people these Tories think they can do as they please without telling people anything and think its there right to push through what they want

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Luckily for most people in the UK the Conservative party won the election and polled far more votes than any other party . The silent majority have faith in the current prime minister .

Bribes are usually undisclosed payments. Again the PM offered it on an open and honest basis and as a result has helped every single resident in Northern Ireland.

The PM and her team are doing a great job in difficult circumstances .

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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

P/S

The argument 'we voted as the UK,must leave as UK' is now invalid it is now out the window

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Was away from internet and news since dinner time ,

Then there was a deal done now there's not what's going on ???

Who's in charge in number 10

Leo vradkar was calling the shots this morning , Arlene foster is in charge tonight ,

When is May taking back control ??

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By *xplicitlyrics OP Man
over a year ago

south dublin

"Was away from internet and news since dinner time ,

Then there was a deal done now there's not what's going on ???

This morning May and Davis agreed a deal that they couldnt deliver this afternoon.

Tonight there'll be a lot of activity as Jacob Rees-Mogg and the DUP are given hot cocoas and tucked up in bed with a story about how Britain is still great and they'll never surrender to the IRA run European Commission.

And then May will do what has to be done.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Bribes are usually undisclosed payments. Again the PM offered it on an open and honest basis and as a result has helped every single resident in Northern Ireland.

The PM and her team are doing a great job in difficult circumstances . "

no pat.... the pm offered it for the support of 10 DUP mps,.... and the arlene foster has said today if she doesn't get her way the 10 DUP mp's may pull out of the agreement....

so at least lets get the bribe right.....

if you can honestly tell me they would have gotten that money if the money tree had not been shaken..... why not give the same money to scotland and to wales?

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By *utandbigMan
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"So from the wee bit i saw before going out there is no agreement from the UK and EU on the Irish border lol

And the UK government thought the DUP wouldnt have a problem with it lol

Wake up people these Tories think they can do as they please without telling people anything and think its there right to push through what they want

Luckily for most people in the UK the Conservative party won the election and polled far more votes than any other party . The silent majority have faith in the current prime minister .

Bribes are usually undisclosed payments. Again the PM offered it on an open and honest basis and as a result has helped every single resident in Northern Ireland.

The PM and her team are doing a great job in difficult circumstances . "

Your mad is may your mother

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"So from the wee bit i saw before going out there is no agreement from the UK and EU on the Irish border lol

And the UK government thought the DUP wouldnt have a problem with it lol

Wake up people these Tories think they can do as they please without telling people anything and think its there right to push through what they want

Luckily for most people in the UK the Conservative party won the election and polled far more votes than any other party . The silent majority have faith in the current prime minister .

Bribes are usually undisclosed payments. Again the PM offered it on an open and honest basis and as a result has helped every single resident in Northern Ireland.

The PM and her team are doing a great job in difficult circumstances . "

Really?

if you actually think that ignoring the DUP in not giving them any pre warning of what they later proposed to the EU is a great job then fella your in la la land..

the situation is of May's own making in fucking up the Tory majority at the election then having to be in hock to the DUP..

and now that the EU are standing by Eire which pretty much everyone accepted would be the case (except the die hard brextremists on here and the small number of EU hating Tories) and the hard border is not on the table with anyone in the North and South of Ireland it ok to tell the DUP your staying in your own lifeboat whilst good ship strong and stable 'UK'offs it without you..

the 'difficult circumstances' are solely down to Cameron and May..

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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

This is a letter from David Davis to the Scottish government that really has not aged well lol

''You have called specifcally for membership of the single market as means of delivering that end as PM has made clear this is simply not possible if we wish to take back control of borders and immigration in the way people in Scotland and the rest of the UK desire nor it we wish to enjoy the supremacy of our domestic courts.

So whats simply impossible for Scotland now seems to be very possible for N.Ireland today go figure eh lol

So the Tories told fucking lies and they knew fine well they can give a special deal to Scotland to stay in the single market caught out lying

scumbags!!!!

Its like they are willing for Scotland to suffer brexit as we all know Westminster needs Scotland money

The take what David Mundell said - '' there wont be a Scotland only agreement or a Wales only agreement or a N.Ireland only agreement

There only will be a UK agreement bullshit!!!!

Tories are fucking liars!!!

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By *oubepoMan
over a year ago

Spain Portugal France

"Was away from internet and news since dinner time ,

Then there was a deal done now there's not what's going on ???

Who's in charge in number 10

Leo vradkar was calling the shots this morning , Arlene foster is in charge tonight ,

When is May taking back control ??"

Who would have thought 12 months ago that Arlene Foster would be holding all the puppies?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"So from the wee bit i saw before going out there is no agreement from the UK and EU on the Irish border lol

And the UK government thought the DUP wouldnt have a problem with it lol

Wake up people these Tories think they can do as they please without telling people anything and think its there right to push through what they want

Luckily for most people in the UK the Conservative party won the election and polled far more votes than any other party . The silent majority have faith in the current prime minister .

Bribes are usually undisclosed payments. Again the PM offered it on an open and honest basis and as a result has helped every single resident in Northern Ireland.

The PM and her team are doing a great job in difficult circumstances .

Really?

if you actually think that ignoring the DUP in not giving them any pre warning of what they later proposed to the EU is a great job then fella your in la la land..

the situation is of May's own making in fucking up the Tory majority at the election then having to be in hock to the DUP..

the 'difficult circumstances' are solely down to Cameron and May..

The same David Cameron you kept defending on here during the EU referendum.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Was away from internet and news since dinner time ,

Then there was a deal done now there's not what's going on ???

Who's in charge in number 10

Leo vradkar was calling the shots this morning , Arlene foster is in charge tonight ,

When is May taking back control ??

Who would have thought 12 months ago that Arlene Foster would be holding all the puppies? "

May can shake the none existing money tree all she likes on this one, won't mean nothing..

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Who would have thought 12 months ago that Arlene Foster would be holding all the puppies? "

I think she is seriously overplaying her hand here.... what would happen is may called her bluff?

there is no way they vote against may in a no confidence motion! because the threat of corbyn becoming pm would be their worst nightmare....

but i do admire her moxy... and with a government as weak as this she may shake more money out of the money tree for the moving aside motion...

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"So from the wee bit i saw before going out there is no agreement from the UK and EU on the Irish border lol

And the UK government thought the DUP wouldnt have a problem with it lol

Wake up people these Tories think they can do as they please without telling people anything and think its there right to push through what they want

Luckily for most people in the UK the Conservative party won the election and polled far more votes than any other party . The silent majority have faith in the current prime minister .

Bribes are usually undisclosed payments. Again the PM offered it on an open and honest basis and as a result has helped every single resident in Northern Ireland.

The PM and her team are doing a great job in difficult circumstances .

Really?

if you actually think that ignoring the DUP in not giving them any pre warning of what they later proposed to the EU is a great job then fella your in la la land..

the situation is of May's own making in fucking up the Tory majority at the election then having to be in hock to the DUP..

the 'difficult circumstances' are solely down to Cameron and May..

The same David Cameron you kept defending on here during the EU referendum.

you fallen and banged your head?

cold compress, sit down in a darkened room maybe..

what the fuck are you rambling on about?

maybe stop fantasising, lying or spinning bollocks eh Centaur..

though that would mean you contribute not a lot..

back to the now, do you believe that abandoning the North of Ireland to stay in the EU is right or fair?

given you know they are part of the UK..

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"What would the UK election results be if voted for tomorrow? Further Conservative trashing, inability to govern, even with DUP? Or completely different...

i absolutely believe corbyn would win an election tomorrow... which is the last thing the dup would want.....

i want to see who is going to call who's bluff... "

Still championing Corbyn as the saviour. Lmao!

Rabid swivel eyed Tory remainer Anna Soubry was on sky news earlier scowling and telling everyone Corbyn is a Brexiter and remainers shouldn't be fooled by him, a Corbyn government would still take us out of the EU. Corbyn is a Brexiter and always has been.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

#toriesunelectable4atleasthalfacentury

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"So from the wee bit i saw before going out there is no agreement from the UK and EU on the Irish border lol

And the UK government thought the DUP wouldnt have a problem with it lol

Wake up people these Tories think they can do as they please without telling people anything and think its there right to push through what they want

Luckily for most people in the UK the Conservative party won the election and polled far more votes than any other party . The silent majority have faith in the current prime minister .

Bribes are usually undisclosed payments. Again the PM offered it on an open and honest basis and as a result has helped every single resident in Northern Ireland.

The PM and her team are doing a great job in difficult circumstances .

Really?

if you actually think that ignoring the DUP in not giving them any pre warning of what they later proposed to the EU is a great job then fella your in la la land..

the situation is of May's own making in fucking up the Tory majority at the election then having to be in hock to the DUP..

the 'difficult circumstances' are solely down to Cameron and May..

The same David Cameron you kept defending on here during the EU referendum.

you fallen and banged your head?

cold compress, sit down in a darkened room maybe..

what the fuck are you rambling on about?

maybe stop fantasising, lying or spinning bollocks eh Centaur..

though that would mean you contribute not a lot..

back to the now, do you believe that abandoning the North of Ireland to stay in the EU is right or fair?

given you know they are part of the UK.."

There is nothing wrong with my memory. I remember very well during the EU referendum campaign saying on here David Cameron was behaving like tin pot dictator Robert Mugabe with his one sided £9 million taxpayer funded remain leaflets he was sending to every house in the land.

You soon piped up and jumped to Cameron's defence.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"So from the wee bit i saw before going out there is no agreement from the UK and EU on the Irish border lol

And the UK government thought the DUP wouldnt have a problem with it lol

Wake up people these Tories think they can do as they please without telling people anything and think its there right to push through what they want

Luckily for most people in the UK the Conservative party won the election and polled far more votes than any other party . The silent majority have faith in the current prime minister .

Bribes are usually undisclosed payments. Again the PM offered it on an open and honest basis and as a result has helped every single resident in Northern Ireland.

The PM and her team are doing a great job in difficult circumstances .

Really?

if you actually think that ignoring the DUP in not giving them any pre warning of what they later proposed to the EU is a great job then fella your in la la land..

the situation is of May's own making in fucking up the Tory majority at the election then having to be in hock to the DUP..

the 'difficult circumstances' are solely down to Cameron and May..

The same David Cameron you kept defending on here during the EU referendum.

you fallen and banged your head?

cold compress, sit down in a darkened room maybe..

what the fuck are you rambling on about?

maybe stop fantasising, lying or spinning bollocks eh Centaur..

though that would mean you contribute not a lot..

back to the now, do you believe that abandoning the North of Ireland to stay in the EU is right or fair?

given you know they are part of the UK..

You soon piped up and jumped to Cameron's defence.

LIAR..

i said i disagreed with them spending the money on the leaflet and that both sides should have been afforded the same amount for balance..

care to answer my question to you about the North of Ireland..

or will you dodge, duck and divert as you have consistently done when i ask you to condemn anyone who wears the regalia of the KKK and the Nazi's..?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"P/S

The argument 'we voted as the UK,must leave as UK' is now invalid it is now out the window "

Not quite, seems you are being premature just like the OP was when he posted this thread. There is still a very real possibility there will be a 'no deal' scenario with the EU. In a no deal scenario the UK will leave as a whole, we voted Leave as a UK and there is every chance we will leave as a UK.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"P/S

The argument 'we voted as the UK,must leave as UK' is now invalid it is now out the window

which will cripple us..

maybe its a cunning plan by May to totally piss off the DUP by not giving them the courtesy and respect one might think one would do to someone holding you out of the water..

or maybe she did and went 'wink wink' we don't mean it so kick off then we can go to a no deal..

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"So from the wee bit i saw before going out there is no agreement from the UK and EU on the Irish border lol

And the UK government thought the DUP wouldnt have a problem with it lol

Wake up people these Tories think they can do as they please without telling people anything and think its there right to push through what they want

Luckily for most people in the UK the Conservative party won the election and polled far more votes than any other party . The silent majority have faith in the current prime minister .

Bribes are usually undisclosed payments. Again the PM offered it on an open and honest basis and as a result has helped every single resident in Northern Ireland.

The PM and her team are doing a great job in difficult circumstances .

Really?

if you actually think that ignoring the DUP in not giving them any pre warning of what they later proposed to the EU is a great job then fella your in la la land..

the situation is of May's own making in fucking up the Tory majority at the election then having to be in hock to the DUP..

the 'difficult circumstances' are solely down to Cameron and May..

The same David Cameron you kept defending on here during the EU referendum.

you fallen and banged your head?

cold compress, sit down in a darkened room maybe..

what the fuck are you rambling on about?

maybe stop fantasising, lying or spinning bollocks eh Centaur..

though that would mean you contribute not a lot..

back to the now, do you believe that abandoning the North of Ireland to stay in the EU is right or fair?

given you know they are part of the UK..

You soon piped up and jumped to Cameron's defence.

LIAR..

i said i disagreed with them spending the money on the leaflet and that both sides should have been afforded the same amount for balance..

care to answer my question to you about the North of Ireland..

or will you dodge, duck and divert as you have consistently done when i ask you to condemn anyone who wears the regalia of the KKK and the Nazi's..?"

BULLSHIT...

you said comparing 'our Dave' with Mugabe was wrong and out of order. Funny how you defended him when it suited your agenda and now you trash him on here like every other remainer.

And once again BOTH sides were condemned in Charlottesville, how many times does this have to be said before you get it????

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Who would have thought 12 months ago that Arlene Foster would be holding all the puppies?

I think she is seriously overplaying her hand here.... what would happen is may called her bluff?

there is no way they vote against may in a no confidence motion! because the threat of corbyn becoming pm would be their worst nightmare....

but i do admire her moxy... and with a government as weak as this she may shake more money out of the money tree for the moving aside motion..."

Yay go Corbyn the life long Brexiter.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"So from the wee bit i saw before going out there is no agreement from the UK and EU on the Irish border lol

And the UK government thought the DUP wouldnt have a problem with it lol

Wake up people these Tories think they can do as they please without telling people anything and think its there right to push through what they want

Luckily for most people in the UK the Conservative party won the election and polled far more votes than any other party . The silent majority have faith in the current prime minister .

Bribes are usually undisclosed payments. Again the PM offered it on an open and honest basis and as a result has helped every single resident in Northern Ireland.

The PM and her team are doing a great job in difficult circumstances .

Really?

if you actually think that ignoring the DUP in not giving them any pre warning of what they later proposed to the EU is a great job then fella your in la la land..

the situation is of May's own making in fucking up the Tory majority at the election then having to be in hock to the DUP..

the 'difficult circumstances' are solely down to Cameron and May..

The same David Cameron you kept defending on here during the EU referendum.

you fallen and banged your head?

cold compress, sit down in a darkened room maybe..

what the fuck are you rambling on about?

maybe stop fantasising, lying or spinning bollocks eh Centaur..

though that would mean you contribute not a lot..

back to the now, do you believe that abandoning the North of Ireland to stay in the EU is right or fair?

given you know they are part of the UK..

You soon piped up and jumped to Cameron's defence.

LIAR..

i said i disagreed with them spending the money on the leaflet and that both sides should have been afforded the same amount for balance..

care to answer my question to you about the North of Ireland..

or will you dodge, duck and divert as you have consistently done when i ask you to condemn anyone who wears the regalia of the KKK and the Nazi's..?

BULLSHIT...

you said comparing 'our Dave' with Mugabe was wrong and out of order. Funny how you defended him when it suited your agenda and now you trash him on here like every other remainer.

And once again BOTH sides were condemned in Charlottesville, how many times does this have to be said before you get it????"

nope your lying again fella..

and ducking the question i asked, too complicated perhaps?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"P/S

The argument 'we voted as the UK,must leave as UK' is now invalid it is now out the window

which will cripple us..

maybe its a cunning plan by May to totally piss off the DUP by not giving them the courtesy and respect one might think one would do to someone holding you out of the water..

or maybe she did and went 'wink wink' we don't mean it so kick off then we can go to a no deal.."

The boss of the WTO Roberto Azevedo doesn't think leaving without a deal would cripple us. Just last week he said at the WTO HQ in Switzerland that the UK leaving with no deal and reverting to WTO rules with the EU would be "perfectly manageable". Trade would not stop and would continue between the UK and the EU under WTO terms as many other countries around the world manage perfectly well on WTO rules. The world bank also released a report on the impact of Brexit recently and concluded in the event of no deal and reverting to WTO rules the impact on trade would be minimal with between a 1% and 2% loss of overall trade. Conservative MEP Daniel Hannan said in reaction to the world banks findings that the UK could easily make up that 1 to 2% loss of trade with the EU with the rest of the world outside as we sign new trade deals with the high growth economies of the future.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

if we are asking centy questions... i asked mine in the thread first... lol

"if getting your brexit dreams meant basically having to cut off northern ireland so they had to stay in the SM/CU..... would you do it?????"

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

good luck..

he's getting so confused and desperate that he's imagining things..

oh yeah, thats not new is it..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"P/S

The argument 'we voted as the UK,must leave as UK' is now invalid it is now out the window

which will cripple us..

maybe its a cunning plan by May to totally piss off the DUP by not giving them the courtesy and respect one might think one would do to someone holding you out of the water..

or maybe she did and went 'wink wink' we don't mean it so kick off then we can go to a no deal..

a no deal according to the previous WTO chief Pascal Lamy also said in April that it would be extremely bad for both parties..

echoed by another former deputy Director General Roderick Abbot..

how would aviation logistics and the movement of people fare given the WTO rules do not cover them in the event of this no deal..?

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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

The DUP are just as bad as the Tories

DUP dont want NI to be “different” to GB

UK..except when they say so! (LGBT rights, donations, Corp tax, abortion

So the DUP today want to be part of the UK but want to be different with it comes to gay rights , Corp tax and abortion go figure

Nutters that are running the UK lol

Also remember it was the Tories telling people before election about a possible Corbyn government held to ransom by the SNP? Pot and kettle lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The NI border issue seems to be about tariffs and customs control.

As the Tories have said we will get a tariff free deal...(as if?). Then the NI border issue is a none issue.

Does this current “problem” therefore mean that a tariff free trade deal is a complete non-starter?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The EU have stuck rigidly to their strategy.

Now the DUP are doing exactly the same there is uproar.

Great to see the EU getting a piece of its own medicine.

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By *xplicitlyrics OP Man
over a year ago

south dublin

The World Bank report (Policy Research Working Paper 8195) that you are referring to predicates its analysis on the basis that companies, firms and investments cant leave the UK for the EU in the short term. So it doesnt take into account the 2 year negotiating period or the likely 2 year transition period which would be out of range of their short term view.

It also states that it is basing inelasticity of demand on relationships and markets that arent similar to the EU/UK situation.

And they title the report as a "Short term" outlook on Brexit, its not meant to be a mid or long term forecast. But then you still get your information from the Sun and Id be mildly surprised if the phrase "inelasticity of demand" appeared in their anymore frequently than an accurate Brexit article.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wonder could any of the tv crews follow May ,foster , and vradkar around , it would be way better than big brother or I'm a celebrity

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"The EU have stuck rigidly to their strategy.

Now the DUP are doing exactly the same there is uproar.

Great to see the EU getting a piece of its own medicine."

if this is how you are seeing what happened today... i suggest you need a pair of glasses...

a stronger pair of glasses....

a better pair of glasses....

remember it was the uk who conceded all points with regards to the border to the EU... not the other way round!

the dup basically bent over this tory govt!

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"The NI border issue seems to be about tariffs and customs control.

As the Tories have said we will get a tariff free deal...(as if?). Then the NI border issue is a none issue.

Does this current “problem” therefore mean that a tariff free trade deal is a complete non-starter?"

as all remainers have told you from the start... the Border is not as issue as that comes under the parameters of the good friday agreement! what the UK are trying to bend round 7 ways of sunday is how you can keep that and not be in some sort of SM/CU

(spoiler... they cant!)

so all these brexiteers who have been telling everyone they can and will work out a way have been telling porkies....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The EU have stuck rigidly to their strategy.

Now the DUP are doing exactly the same there is uproar.

Great to see the EU getting a piece of its own medicine.

if this is how you are seeing what happened today... i suggest you need a pair of glasses...

a stronger pair of glasses....

a better pair of glasses....

remember it was the uk who conceded all points with regards to the border to the EU... not the other way round!

the dup basically bent over this tory govt!"

Like you were claiming the EU has done.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Great to see the EU getting a piece of its own medicine."

We wanted to leave...the EU have been consistent throughout.....i think your on another planet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Great to see the EU getting a piece of its own medicine.

We wanted to leave...the EU have been consistent throughout.....i think your on another planet

You wanted to leave the EU? Another closet Brexiteer like JC?

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"The NI border issue seems to be about tariffs and customs control.

As the Tories have said we will get a tariff free deal...(as if?). Then the NI border issue is a none issue.

Does this current “problem” therefore mean that a tariff free trade deal is a complete non-starter?"

It means the customs checks are now going to be between 2 parts of the UK, rather than between the UK and Ireland.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Great to see the EU getting a piece of its own medicine.

We wanted to leave...the EU have been consistent throughout.....i think your on another planet

You wanted to leave the EU? Another closet Brexiteer like JC?"

When i say we...i mean the UK...spin all you like along with your pals from the Kippers

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"The NI border issue seems to be about tariffs and customs control.

As the Tories have said we will get a tariff free deal...(as if?). Then the NI border issue is a none issue.

Does this current “problem” therefore mean that a tariff free trade deal is a complete non-starter?

It means the customs checks are now going to be between 2 parts of the UK, rather than between the UK and Ireland.

A logistical possibility but a political minefield..

moderate unionists in the North may be ok with it depending on how its worded and structured etc..

hard line unionists will see it as the Westminster Government tipping a nod and a wink to Dublin that at some point reunification could be possible..

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By *xplicitlyrics OP Man
over a year ago

south dublin

"The EU have stuck rigidly to their strategy.

Now the DUP are doing exactly the same there is uproar.

Great to see the EU getting a piece of its own medicine."

The uproar isnt about the DUP sticking to their guns, its about Theresa May agreeing to a deal in the morning and then saying over lunch that actually she cant do what she said she would so can she please have time to sort herself and her government out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Most reports suggest the agreed figure is less than £50 billion pounds sterling (which I said it would be) and an absolute bargain considering the EU started off demanding a ridiculous figure of £100 billion."

I remember very clearly you stating we wouldn't pay a penny to the EU on leaving & they would be begging us for a FTA

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I prefer to accept the opinion of Neill Woodford a star investment manager . The impact of Brexit will be no different to that of the milleniunm bug. This is a man who had you invested £10000 in the late eighties in his funds , you would now have £300,000. He is out in the real world meeting the Directors and workers of the companies in which he invests .Not only is he managing funds , his investments are also keeping people in jobs in the various companies in which he chooses to invest .

A few adjustments to the terms under which we trade is hardly going to do any long term damage to the economy .

Neill Woodford has a fantastic track record and I would much prefer his judgement to those who make endless posts on this site about the long term damage Brexit might do.

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By *uietbloke67Man
over a year ago

outside your bedroom window ;-)

"I prefer to accept the opinion of Neill Woodford a star investment manager . The impact of Brexit will be no different to that of the milleniunm bug. This is a man who had you invested £10000 in the late eighties in his funds , you would now have £300,000. He is out in the real world meeting the Directors and workers of the companies in which he invests .Not only is he managing funds , his investments are also keeping people in jobs in the various companies in which he chooses to invest .

A few adjustments to the terms under which we trade is hardly going to do any long term damage to the economy .

Neill Woodford has a fantastic track record and I would much prefer his judgement to those who make endless posts on this site about the long term damage Brexit might do. "

An Investment in Trump at the same time would have brought you a larger return today... Your Honour I rest my case lol

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By *xplicitlyrics OP Man
over a year ago

south dublin

A few adjustments to the terms under which we trade is hardly going to do any long term damage to the economy .

Neill Woodford has a fantastic track record and I would much prefer his judgement to those who make endless posts on this site about the long term damage Brexit might do. "

If you had just stuck 10,000 in a Nasdaq mutual fund in 1986 you would have 317,869. So hes actually underperforming the market.

I swear you actually go out of your way to be wrong about things. How do you manage to cite someone whos made a themselves a below average career as your go to person to quote?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A few adjustments to the terms under which we trade is hardly going to do any long term damage to the economy .

Neill Woodford has a fantastic track record and I would much prefer his judgement to those who make endless posts on this site about the long term damage Brexit might do.

If you had just stuck 10,000 in a Nasdaq mutual fund in 1986 you would have 317,869. So hes actually underperforming the market.

I swear you actually go out of your way to be wrong about things. How do you manage to cite someone whos made a themselves a below average career as your go to person to quote?"

He's a star investment manager though...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A few adjustments to the terms under which we trade is hardly going to do any long term damage to the economy .

Neill Woodford has a fantastic track record and I would much prefer his judgement to those who make endless posts on this site about the long term damage Brexit might do. "

"I prefer people that tell me what I want to hear".

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

A few adjustments to the terms under which we trade is hardly going to do any long term damage to the economy .

Neill Woodford has a fantastic track record and I would much prefer his judgement to those who make endless posts on this site about the long term damage Brexit might do. "

Any one of us could pick a self-styled success and come up with as many different forecasts as there are people - they're just like using one persons experience to launch a new medical drug, instead of progressive, thorough research.

It sounds rather like fag packet notes.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

A few adjustments to the terms under which we trade is hardly going to do any long term damage to the economy .

Neill Woodford has a fantastic track record and I would much prefer his judgement to those who make endless posts on this site about the long term damage Brexit might do. "

That being the same millennium bug that large amounts of planning and work went into to preparing for, fixing, and mitigating. The same millennium bug, that due to all that planning and work was largely a non-issue?

As opposed to brexit.

I guess if the millennium bug came around again now, you'd have half the population saying they didn't believe that years even exist.

God help us in 2038 when we hit the next major date bug if we continue with this level of promoting ignorance and stupidity.

-Matt

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By *heislanderMan
over a year ago

cheshunt

Guys, when are you all going to realise that we’ll never all agree on politics. We all have different opinions and we all look for different things from the parties we vote for. I’m not stupid enough to think that what’s good for me is good for everybody else and I’d never try and lecture someone else and tell them they’re wrong. I read some people’s comments on here and you’d think they were the top political minds in the world, it’s so easy to rule from behind a keyboard.

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By *xplicitlyrics OP Man
over a year ago

south dublin

"Guys, when are you all going to realise that we’ll never all agree on politics. We all have different opinions and we all look for different things from the parties we vote for. I’m not stupid enough to think that what’s good for me is good for everybody else and I’d never try and lecture someone else and tell them they’re wrong. I read some people’s comments on here and you’d think they were the top political minds in the world, it’s so easy to rule from behind a keyboard. "

Opinions are subjective. Facts are not. There is no "I prefer this version of reality because it suits me". There is reality and there is make believe.

If you want to vote for someone because you agree with their opinion on religion or abortion or if Scotland should be independent or not then thats your opinion.

If you try to tell people ridiculously stupid, easily observable nonsense such as: "The EU are overplaying their hand and they'll be begging the UK for a trade deal because they need the UK more" or "I prefer to listen to this guy even though he's acheived less than an empty chair in the last 30 years" then you are going to hear disagreement because youre wrong. And anyone with the slightest intelligence and knowledge can see that.

You dont have to be a "top political mind" to see that the UK needs a deal and the EU doesnt. Any idiot (including even BoJo which is why hes been so quiet this week) saw that from the very start and yet there were still plenty of brexiters here trying to claim the opposite. Maybe thats because theyre in an echo chamber and only listen to what they want (Pat) maybe its because they have been manipulated by the media (Centy thinking sequencing was a Tory victory because the Sun pretended it was) maybe its because they're just not that bright (wont name anyone here

Facts are facts and reality is what it is. And trying to use a flase equivalency that the truth and lies are both acceptable and trying to shut down discussion and exposibg lies for what they are with disengenuous moralising isnt what democracy is founded on.

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By *heislanderMan
over a year ago

cheshunt

Opinions are subjective. Facts are not. There is no "I prefer this version of reality because it suits me". There is reality and there is make believe.

If you want to vote for someone because you agree with their opinion on religion or abortion or if Scotland should be independent or not then thats your opinion.

Lol, your reply just backs up what I’m trying to say, I’m not trying to take sides or say who’s right or wrong, I voted to remain but that was my vote, I’m not arrogant enough to tell people I was right. I’m not trying to shut down discussion, but discussion to me is listening to both sides

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex

"So from the wee bit i saw before going out there is no agreement from the UK and EU on the Irish border lol

And the UK government thought the DUP wouldnt have a problem with it lol

Wake up people these Tories think they can do as they please without telling people anything and think its there right to push through what they want

Luckily for most people in the UK the Conservative party won the election and polled far more votes than any other party . The silent majority have faith in the current prime minister .

Bribes are usually undisclosed payments. Again the PM offered it on an open and honest basis and as a result has helped every single resident in Northern Ireland.

The PM and her team are doing a great job in difficult circumstances . "

Comedy gold

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By *xplicitlyrics OP Man
over a year ago

south dublin

Ive no horse in the remain/leave race. It doesnt matter to me that Switzerland are half members or that Iceland arent EU members.

And if someone wants to be out because they want to be independant then thats an opinion theyre entitled to.

The disagreement happens when someone says something factually wrong or based on ridiculously erroneous logic.

If a Brexiter says "I know we're going to be worse off economically and that the Tories are going to make huge concessions because they realise that anything else will damage the economy even more but I still want out". Then thats a valid, if self harming, opinion.

But the ludicrous lies being spouted by Brexiters on here over the past year should be called out for what they are.

But the thing is, if you want to discuss politics you'll have to endure other peoples point of view and if you dont like that then maybe a politics forum isnt the best place to be?

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex

"The EU have stuck rigidly to their strategy.

Now the DUP are doing exactly the same there is uproar.

Great to see the EU getting a piece of its own medicine."

Do you really think it's acceptable for a bunch of 10 swivel eyed inbreds to determine the future of the whole of the UK? The DUP may hold the balance of power but NI voted remain so theyre basically putting their own narrow, sectarian views ahead of the people that they pretend to represent. The DUP pushing their luck; time to call their bluff

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By *heislanderMan
over a year ago

cheshunt

Ive no horse in the remain/leave race. It doesnt matter to me that Switzerland are half members or that Iceland arent EU members.

And if someone wants to be out because they want to be independant then thats an opinion theyre entitled to.

The disagreement happens when someone says something factually wrong or based on ridiculously erroneous logic.

But the ludicrous lies being spouted by Brexiters on here over the past year should be called out for what they are.

But the thing is, if you want to discuss politics you'll have to endure other peoples point of view and if you dont like that then maybe a politics forum isnt the best place to be?"

Ok I agree but I haven’t made any claims on here, now I know there’s loads of discussions between certain members fighting their own corner and as you say there’s people that see everything one sided. That’s the point I was trying to make, people need to accept that we can’t all agree, you point out “ the ludicrous lies being spouted by Brexiters“ did the remainers tell any lies ?

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By *xplicitlyrics OP Man
over a year ago

south dublin

Ive no horse in the remain/leave race. It doesnt matter to me that Switzerland are half members or that Iceland arent EU members.

And if someone wants to be out because they want to be independant then thats an opinion theyre entitled to.

The disagreement happens when someone says something factually wrong or based on ridiculously erroneous logic.

But the ludicrous lies being spouted by Brexiters on here over the past year should be called out for what they are.

But the thing is, if you want to discuss politics you'll have to endure other peoples point of view and if you dont like that then maybe a politics forum isnt the best place to be?

See thats the false equivalency I was talking about earlier. Both sides arent as bad as the other. The pro Brexit coverage in the media and discussion on here has been dishonest and misleading as a rule. Are there innaccuracies and some outright lies on the remain side? Sure. But both sides are not the same.

Take this thread for example.

Its been reported by everyone in the media that the divorce bill is £50bn+, pro or anti Brexit. Yet theres a poster claiming its less and also claiming that there was a £100bn bill from the EU at one stage.

Then theres another poster trying to pretend some below average fund manager is some financial guru that should be listened to.

Not to mention the World Bank study that was misleadingly claimed to say that the impact of Brexit would be 2% when if you actuallu read the study it gives a very different view as the caveats and even the title of the study describe this as a limited short term view that doesnt take into account the specifics of the situation.

Then theres the Tory spin claiming this is what they said all along because they were always going to pay this much in the bill and they were always on board with part of the UK being in the customs union.

How many lies, half truths and misleading statements from the remain side are in here?

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By *heislanderMan
over a year ago

cheshunt

Ive no horse in the remain/leave race. It doesnt matter to me that Switzerland are half members or that Iceland arent EU members.

And if someone wants to be out because they want to be independant then thats an opinion theyre entitled to.

The disagreement happens when someone says something factually wrong or based on ridiculously erroneous logic.

But the ludicrous lies being spouted by Brexiters on here over the past year should be called out for what they are.

But the thing is, if you want to discuss politics you'll have to endure other peoples point of view and if you dont like that then maybe a politics forum isnt the best place to be?

Take this thread for example.

Then theres another poster trying to pretend some below average fund manager is some financial guru that should be listened to.

How many lies, half truths and misleading statements from the remain side are in here?"

I’m sure a “remainer” will come on and post lies and misleading statements he/she has read. At the end of the day the country ( right or wrong ) voted to leave. As I said I voted to remain but I’m not going to preach to other people that they’re wrong, I’m a selfish person and I look at what’s good for me so hopefully it’ll work out, “ I told you so” is so easy to say

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By *xplicitlyrics OP Man
over a year ago

south dublin

Once again, thats a false equivalancy: pretending both sides are the same when the level of dishonesty on one side far, far outweighs the other.

At the end of the day the country voted to leave, we all know that, nobodies said otherwise... whats your point?

And again, putting facts in front of people and correcting lies and misleading statements is an important part of what makes a democracy work. Dim witted people who ignore reality because they prefer their fantasy have the same vote as the rest (its the weakness of democracy that you dont have to know anything at all about what you vote for). And particularly these days when dishonest communications over the internet are used against countries means I have no idea why you, or anyone, would complain about honest, fact based information.

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By *xplicitlyrics OP Man
over a year ago

south dublin

So many questions from yesterday.

What exactly was Mays plan here if the deal hadn't leaked before her announcement with Juncker? To agree a deal with everyone, announce it to the world and just hope everyone in the DUP went along with it?

Does Brexit no longer mean Brexit?

If May is going back to negotiate with the DUP, how much is left in the money tree?

At what point will May and the rest just accept "regulatory alignment" for the whole of the UK?

What will Centy do with his champagne if Brexit ends up not meaning any real exit from the EU after all?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

A few adjustments to the terms under which we trade is hardly going to do any long term damage to the economy .

Neill Woodford has a fantastic track record and I would much prefer his judgement to those who make endless posts on this site about the long term damage Brexit might do. "

did you not get your fund manager to visit his offices and see what the business model was at that time..?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

A few adjustments to the terms under which we trade is hardly going to do any long term damage to the economy .

Neill Woodford has a fantastic track record and I would much prefer his judgement to those who make endless posts on this site about the long term damage Brexit might do.

If you had just stuck 10,000 in a Nasdaq mutual fund in 1986 you would have 317,869. So hes actually underperforming the market.

I swear you actually go out of your way to be wrong about things. How do you manage to cite someone whos made a themselves a below average career as your go to person to quote?

He's a star investment manager though..."

daily star?

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By *xplicitlyrics OP Man
over a year ago

south dublin

Woodford founded his investment company in 2014, has had to publish an apology on his website for his performance last 18 months being so poor, and despite the market gaining 10% on paper due to the devaluation of the pound, hes actually lowered both the real value and the paper value of his investments.

A financial guru we should all be listening to

He voted to leave, uses phrases like remoaner, hes an ideologue who wants his version of reality to be true rather than looking at evidence.

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By *heislanderMan
over a year ago

cheshunt

Once again, thats a false equivalancy: pretending both sides are the same when the level of dishonesty on one side far, far outweighs the other.

At the end of the day the country voted to leave, we all know that, nobodies said otherwise... whats your point?

Can you show me where I’ve complained about honest fact based information ?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Ive no horse in the remain/leave race. It doesnt matter to me that Switzerland are half members or that Iceland arent EU members.

And if someone wants to be out because they want to be independant then thats an opinion theyre entitled to.

The disagreement happens when someone says something factually wrong or based on ridiculously erroneous logic.

But the ludicrous lies being spouted by Brexiters on here over the past year should be called out for what they are.

But the thing is, if you want to discuss politics you'll have to endure other peoples point of view and if you dont like that then maybe a politics forum isnt the best place to be?

Take this thread for example.

Then theres another poster trying to pretend some below average fund manager is some financial guru that should be listened to.

How many lies, half truths and misleading statements from the remain side are in here?"

Absolute comedy gold.

You talking about lies, half truths and misleading statements when this is your thread, and the title of the thread is false, and your opening statement in the thread is false and misleading. You prematurely claimed it was all agreed and then just a couple of hours later after the thread was posted it was crystal clear to every man and his dog that nothing was agreed. You have made yourself look very foolish on this thread.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"The NI border issue seems to be about tariffs and customs control.

As the Tories have said we will get a tariff free deal...(as if?). Then the NI border issue is a none issue.

Does this current “problem” therefore mean that a tariff free trade deal is a complete non-starter?

It means the customs checks are now going to be between 2 parts of the UK, rather than between the UK and Ireland.

A logistical possibility but a political minefield..

moderate unionists in the North may be ok with it depending on how its worded and structured etc..

hard line unionists will see it as the Westminster Government tipping a nod and a wink to Dublin that at some point reunification could be possible.. "

Well you have to check it somewhere. If it's not between NI/Eire, then it has to be NI/UK.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"The NI border issue seems to be about tariffs and customs control.

As the Tories have said we will get a tariff free deal...(as if?). Then the NI border issue is a none issue.

Does this current “problem” therefore mean that a tariff free trade deal is a complete non-starter?

It means the customs checks are now going to be between 2 parts of the UK, rather than between the UK and Ireland.

A logistical possibility but a political minefield..

moderate unionists in the North may be ok with it depending on how its worded and structured etc..

hard line unionists will see it as the Westminster Government tipping a nod and a wink to Dublin that at some point reunification could be possible..

Well you have to check it somewhere. If it's not between NI/Eire, then it has to be NI/UK."

or even ditto with Scotland, Wales..

if its granted to NI even imposed upon them by Westminster then why would the other devolved countries not have the same..

is all this worth destroying the union?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The NI border issue seems to be about tariffs and customs control.

As the Tories have said we will get a tariff free deal...(as if?). Then the NI border issue is a none issue.

Does this current “problem” therefore mean that a tariff free trade deal is a complete non-starter?

It means the customs checks are now going to be between 2 parts of the UK, rather than between the UK and Ireland.

A logistical possibility but a political minefield..

moderate unionists in the North may be ok with it depending on how its worded and structured etc..

hard line unionists will see it as the Westminster Government tipping a nod and a wink to Dublin that at some point reunification could be possible..

Well you have to check it somewhere. If it's not between NI/Eire, then it has to be NI/UK.

or even ditto with Scotland, Wales..

if its granted to NI even imposed upon them by Westminster then why would the other devolved countries not have the same..

is all this worth destroying the union?"

Some think it is to take back control and you know its the will of the people...or so its just been trotted out by Davis...that guy gets worst

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

Ive no horse in the remain/leave race. It doesnt matter to me that Switzerland are half members or that Iceland arent EU members.

And if someone wants to be out because they want to be independant then thats an opinion theyre entitled to.

The disagreement happens when someone says something factually wrong or based on ridiculously erroneous logic.

But the ludicrous lies being spouted by Brexiters on here over the past year should be called out for what they are.

But the thing is, if you want to discuss politics you'll have to endure other peoples point of view and if you dont like that then maybe a politics forum isnt the best place to be?

Take this thread for example.

Then theres another poster trying to pretend some below average fund manager is some financial guru that should be listened to.

How many lies, half truths and misleading statements from the remain side are in here?

Absolute comedy gold.

Simple question for you Centy:

Was the following statement true or false at the time it was written?

"So its being reported this lunchtime that theyre finalising the text for agreement on moving forward. "

You seem to imply that it was false. Despite the fact that it was indeed being reported that they were finalising the text for the agreement on moving forward.

We could even go as far as to ask *why* it was being reported that they were finalising the agreement on moving forward. Because May said they were. Then later turns out they were not.

-Matt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ive no horse in the remain/leave race. It doesnt matter to me that Switzerland are half members or that Iceland arent EU members.

And if someone wants to be out because they want to be independant then thats an opinion theyre entitled to.

The disagreement happens when someone says something factually wrong or based on ridiculously erroneous logic.

But the ludicrous lies being spouted by Brexiters on here over the past year should be called out for what they are.

But the thing is, if you want to discuss politics you'll have to endure other peoples point of view and if you dont like that then maybe a politics forum isnt the best place to be?

Take this thread for example.

Then theres another poster trying to pretend some below average fund manager is some financial guru that should be listened to.

How many lies, half truths and misleading statements from the remain side are in here?

Absolute comedy gold.

Simple question for you Centy:

Was the following statement true or false at the time it was written?

"So its being reported this lunchtime that theyre finalising the text for agreement on moving forward. "

You seem to imply that it was false. Despite the fact that it was indeed being reported that they were finalising the text for the agreement on moving forward.

We could even go as far as to ask *why* it was being reported that they were finalising the agreement on moving forward. Because May said they were. Then later turns out they were not.

-Matt"

Matt this guy always posts misinformation...he will flip flop to spin it in a way it suits his UKIP ideology

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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

The Tories have really fucked up brexit we all now know that special deals can be given to Scotland , N.Ireland and Wales to stay in the single market and customs union

So now its a case of give Scotland a special deal to remain in the single market or Scotland will have an independence referendum

There is no one else to blame but the Tories on this they have fucked up

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Ive no horse in the remain/leave race. It doesnt matter to me that Switzerland are half members or that Iceland arent EU members.

And if someone wants to be out because they want to be independant then thats an opinion theyre entitled to.

The disagreement happens when someone says something factually wrong or based on ridiculously erroneous logic.

But the ludicrous lies being spouted by Brexiters on here over the past year should be called out for what they are.

But the thing is, if you want to discuss politics you'll have to endure other peoples point of view and if you dont like that then maybe a politics forum isnt the best place to be?

Take this thread for example.

Then theres another poster trying to pretend some below average fund manager is some financial guru that should be listened to.

How many lies, half truths and misleading statements from the remain side are in here?

Absolute comedy gold.

Simple question for you Centy:

Was the following statement true or false at the time it was written?

"So its being reported this lunchtime that theyre finalising the text for agreement on moving forward. "

You seem to imply that it was false. Despite the fact that it was indeed being reported that they were finalising the text for the agreement on moving forward.

We could even go as far as to ask *why* it was being reported that they were finalising the agreement on moving forward. Because May said they were. Then later turns out they were not.

-Matt"

It was premature and foolish of the OP to post this thread with THAT title and opening statement. Remember David Davis saying "nothing is agreed until everything is agreed". Remainers seem to keep forgetting this. In many ways it reminds me of you posting on the EU Egg pesticide thread when you "set the record straight" that it was only limited to one or 2 countries. Then it transpired that more than one or 2 countries were involved, lol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The Tories have really fucked up brexit we all now know that special deals can be given to Scotland , N.Ireland and Wales to stay in the single market and customs union

So now its a case of give Scotland a special deal to remain in the single market or Scotland will have an independence referendum

There is no one else to blame but the Tories on this they have fucked up "

Next it will be London asking for a special deal! Oh wait they have tried that already

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ive no horse in the remain/leave race. It doesnt matter to me that Switzerland are half members or that Iceland arent EU members.

And if someone wants to be out because they want to be independant then thats an opinion theyre entitled to.

The disagreement happens when someone says something factually wrong or based on ridiculously erroneous logic.

But the ludicrous lies being spouted by Brexiters on here over the past year should be called out for what they are.

But the thing is, if you want to discuss politics you'll have to endure other peoples point of view and if you dont like that then maybe a politics forum isnt the best place to be?

Take this thread for example.

Then theres another poster trying to pretend some below average fund manager is some financial guru that should be listened to.

How many lies, half truths and misleading statements from the remain side are in here?

Absolute comedy gold.

Simple question for you Centy:

Was the following statement true or false at the time it was written?

"So its being reported this lunchtime that theyre finalising the text for agreement on moving forward. "

You seem to imply that it was false. Despite the fact that it was indeed being reported that they were finalising the text for the agreement on moving forward.

We could even go as far as to ask *why* it was being reported that they were finalising the agreement on moving forward. Because May said they were. Then later turns out they were not.

-Matt

More flip flopping about

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"The NI border issue seems to be about tariffs and customs control.

As the Tories have said we will get a tariff free deal...(as if?). Then the NI border issue is a none issue.

Does this current “problem” therefore mean that a tariff free trade deal is a complete non-starter?

It means the customs checks are now going to be between 2 parts of the UK, rather than between the UK and Ireland.

A logistical possibility but a political minefield..

moderate unionists in the North may be ok with it depending on how its worded and structured etc..

hard line unionists will see it as the Westminster Government tipping a nod and a wink to Dublin that at some point reunification could be possible..

Well you have to check it somewhere. If it's not between NI/Eire, then it has to be NI/UK.

or even ditto with Scotland, Wales..

if its granted to NI even imposed upon them by Westminster then why would the other devolved countries not have the same..

is all this worth destroying the union?"

No, not worth it at all in my opinion. However this was mentioned before the referendum. Brexit supporters knew the consequences of their actions, yet dismissed it as project fear.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"The Tories have really fucked up brexit we all now know that special deals can be given to Scotland , N.Ireland and Wales to stay in the single market and customs union

So now its a case of give Scotland a special deal to remain in the single market or Scotland will have an independence referendum

There is no one else to blame but the Tories on this they have fucked up

Next it will be London asking for a special deal! Oh wait they have tried that already

Don't forget Cambridge, we want a special deal too. Free movement of scientists, engineers and academics is very important for this region.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

According to David Davis the whole of the uk is getting the same deal as northern Ireland now

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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"The Tories have really fucked up brexit we all now know that special deals can be given to Scotland , N.Ireland and Wales to stay in the single market and customs union

So now its a case of give Scotland a special deal to remain in the single market or Scotland will have an independence referendum

There is no one else to blame but the Tories on this they have fucked up

Next it will be London asking for a special deal! Oh wait they have tried that already

Don't forget Cambridge, we want a special deal too. Free movement of scientists, engineers and academics is very important for this region. "

If thats what Cambridge want lol

Good to see you now see Cambridge is a region in the country of England though lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thoughts?

As May and a few others say....its what we voted for

"
Not what I voted for !

This is Surrender

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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"According to David Davis the whole of the uk is getting the same deal as northern Ireland now "

If thats true that really should really piss off the hardcore leave voters say like Centaur lol

If its true the whole of the UK would have to accept freedom of movement lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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Hate to agree with her but she has a point !

Total cock up !

We should have just left and put the key in the post

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What would the UK election results be if voted for tomorrow? Further Conservative trashing, inability to govern, even with DUP? Or completely different..."
A UKIP resurgence , tho under our Bollocks if a voting system few if any seats !

Probbally a Corbyn victory by Default

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"The Tories have really fucked up brexit we all now know that special deals can be given to Scotland , N.Ireland and Wales to stay in the single market and customs union

So now its a case of give Scotland a special deal to remain in the single market or Scotland will have an independence referendum

There is no one else to blame but the Tories on this they have fucked up

Next it will be London asking for a special deal! Oh wait they have tried that already

Don't forget Cambridge, we want a special deal too. Free movement of scientists, engineers and academics is very important for this region.

If thats what Cambridge want lol

Good to see you now see Cambridge is a region in the country of England though lol "

Where did I mention England?

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

Hate to agree with her but she has a point !

Total cock up !

We should have just left and put the key in the post

To me that sounds like a company that goes deliberately bankrupt and leaves hundreds of innocent others out of pocket just like Mr trump has

And with that attitude the only Irish solution would a hard n s border or total reunification

I can only infer that for you this does not matter ?

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By *oubepoMan
over a year ago

Spain Portugal France

"According to David Davis the whole of the uk is getting the same deal as northern Ireland now "

You mean everyone gets a billion pounds and gets to eat a big turkey like

Arlene Foster?

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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"The Tories have really fucked up brexit we all now know that special deals can be given to Scotland , N.Ireland and Wales to stay in the single market and customs union

So now its a case of give Scotland a special deal to remain in the single market or Scotland will have an independence referendum

There is no one else to blame but the Tories on this they have fucked up

Next it will be London asking for a special deal! Oh wait they have tried that already

Don't forget Cambridge, we want a special deal too. Free movement of scientists, engineers and academics is very important for this region.

If thats what Cambridge want lol

Good to see you now see Cambridge is a region in the country of England though lol

Where did I mention England?"

It is a region of England though lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"According to David Davis the whole of the uk is getting the same deal as northern Ireland now

If thats true that really should really piss off the hardcore leave voters say like Centaur lol

If its true the whole of the UK would have to accept freedom of movement lol "

It was what was reported from the commons today

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

" In many ways it reminds me of you posting on the EU Egg pesticide thread when you "set the record straight" that it was only limited to one or 2 countries. Then it transpired that more than one or 2 countries were involved, lol. "

Ahhh... so you DID completely misunderstand the issue then. For some reason you are STILL under the illusion it was an 'EU egg' pesticide problem. Strange.

-Matt

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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"According to David Davis the whole of the uk is getting the same deal as northern Ireland now

If thats true that really should really piss off the hardcore leave voters say like Centaur lol

If its true the whole of the UK would have to accept freedom of movement lol

It was what was reported from the commons today"

Well lets hope its true that the whole of the UK remains in the single market and customs union

But yeah its gonna piss 17 million leave voters off knowing they will have to accept freedom of movement

Strong an stable eh so for the UK government have climbed down on near enough everything see this is what happens when you grow a pair and challenge the Tories and not let them run free to do as they please

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By *xplicitlyrics OP Man
over a year ago

south dublin

Absolute comedy gold.

Maybe you mis read the thread title or havent been following the news.

The Tories did in fact concede on all 3 points. The Tories did agree a deal.

Evidently Theresa just thought she'd do it behind the DUPs backs but got caught out by the leak.

So thread title was accurate

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"According to David Davis the whole of the uk is getting the same deal as northern Ireland now

If thats true that really should really piss off the hardcore leave voters say like Centaur lol

If its true the whole of the UK would have to accept freedom of movement lol

It was what was reported from the commons today"

What David Davis actually said in the House of Commons today was leaving Northern Ireland in the EU single market and customs union was never an option and it was never on the table. Just pure speculation by the press (and hysterical remainers). Political opponents of the government like Sturgeon, Sadiq Khan and Carwen Jones were just attempting to stir the pot on the back of speculation that was misleading and false. The UK will leave the EU as a whole either with a deal or without a deal. DUP MP Nigel Dodds also said today that the UK government has put forward very sensible proposals on an invisible border in Northern Ireland and that is what they would like to see put in place and they would like to see a sensible Brexit and are prepared to work as long as it takes to secure it.

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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

Centaur how pissed off would you be if the whole of the UK was to stay in the single market and customs union and have to accept freedom of movement ?

You must be able to see the Irish border has stumped the Tories on how to solve it lol

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Absolute comedy gold.

Maybe you mis read the thread title or havent been following the news.

The Tories did in fact concede on all 3 points. The Tories did agree a deal.

Evidently Theresa just thought she'd do it behind the DUPs backs but got caught out by the leak.

So thread title was accurate

No it was never agreed and Theresa May never signed on the dotted line. You were premature and foolish to post this thread with that title and opening statement. Maybe you should take heed of David Davis words in future before you think of posting another thread of this nature.... "Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed".

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

Absolute comedy gold.

Maybe you mis read the thread title or havent been following the news.

The Tories did in fact concede on all 3 points. The Tories did agree a deal.

Evidently Theresa just thought she'd do it behind the DUPs backs but got caught out by the leak.

So thread title was accurate

I'll ask you again Centy:

Was the following statement true or false at the time it was written?

"So its being reported this lunchtime that theyre finalising the text for agreement on moving forward. "

-Matt

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Centaur how pissed off would you be if the whole of the UK was to stay in the single market and customs union and have to accept freedom of movement ?

You must be able to see the Irish border has stumped the Tories on how to solve it lol"

Can't see it happening as 17.2 million people voted to end free movement in the referendum (this means leaving the single market) and voted for the UK to sign it's own trade deals (this means leaving the customs union). If the tories did keep us in the single market and the customs union then I expect there to be a huge resurgence of ukip as it would be unacceptable to Leave voters and would see it as a betrayal of Brexit by the Conservative party. I think remainers are living in dream land if they think we'll stay in the single market and the customs union.

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over a year ago

"Centaur how pissed off would you be if the whole of the UK was to stay in the single market and customs union and have to accept freedom of movement ?

You must be able to see the Irish border has stumped the Tories on how to solve it lol

i think you and 17 mil are going to be disappointed

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Centaur how pissed off would you be if the whole of the UK was to stay in the single market and customs union and have to accept freedom of movement ?

You must be able to see the Irish border has stumped the Tories on how to solve it lol

Are you sure? Someone keeps on saying nothings agreed until everything's agreed, so who knows what will happen?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Thoughts?

As May and a few others say....its what we voted for

Not what I voted for !

This is Surrender

sounds like you and several million others did not know what you voted for if you think its surrender or we should just say bye and walk away..

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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

"Centaur how pissed off would you be if the whole of the UK was to stay in the single market and customs union and have to accept freedom of movement ?

You must be able to see the Irish border has stumped the Tories on how to solve it lol

Right so you would be very pissed off if the whole of the UK stays in the single market and customs union and accept freedom of movement

So how do you solve the Irish border issue eh ? Do you let NI and Scotland and Wales have special deals to stay in the single market and customs union or do you just accept that the whole of the Uk stays in the single market and customs union ?

The floor is yours lol

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Centaur how pissed off would you be if the whole of the UK was to stay in the single market and customs union and have to accept freedom of movement ?

You must be able to see the Irish border has stumped the Tories on how to solve it lol

whilst that's what you want to happen its still not written and signed off..

ukip may well have an upsurge in support but it wont be as before, too many lies have been told..

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over a year ago

It's simple the republic say no border on the island of Ireland .

The dup no border between Ireland and UK ,

This only leaves two options ,

The entire UK remain in a customs union and no divergence from eu standards

Or a hard brexit

Will May be able to sell the idea of staying in a customs union ??

If not it only leaves hard brexit which looking more likely every day

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"It's simple the republic say no border on the island of Ireland .

The dup no border between Ireland and UK ,

This only leaves two options ,

The entire UK remain in a customs union and no divergence from eu standards

Or a hard brexit

Will May be able to sell the idea of staying in a customs union ??

If not it only leaves hard brexit which looking more likely every day

A hard Brexit would result in a hard border.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The past two days kinda feel like when you put a butt plug in so that you're ready when you get fucked up the bum. I'm sure there's a classier analogy, but that's what it seems like to me.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Absolute comedy gold.

Maybe you mis read the thread title or havent been following the news.

The Tories did in fact concede on all 3 points. The Tories did agree a deal.

Evidently Theresa just thought she'd do it behind the DUPs backs but got caught out by the leak.

So thread title was accurate

I'll ask you again Centy:

Was the following statement true or false at the time it was written?

"So its being reported this lunchtime that theyre finalising the text for agreement on moving forward. "

-Matt"

The title of this thread is....

"Brexit progress agreed, Tories concede on all 3 areas."

Clearly thats false. The NI border was never agreed. It's also come to light today that citizens rights and the role of the ECJ was never agreed yesterday either as Theresa May wanted a time limit of 5 years put on the ECJ having any say in Britain. The EU didn't agree to this so it seems that the OP was also wrong about that. The OP really should give himself a pat on the back, getting only 1 out of 3 is really something to be proud of.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Ahhh... so you DID completely misunderstand the issue then. For some reason you are STILL under the illusion it was an 'EU egg' pesticide problem. Strange.

-Matt"

I think you saying "I'll set the record straight" on that thread left you with egg on your face.

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over a year ago

"It's simple the republic say no border on the island of Ireland .

The dup no border between Ireland and UK ,

This only leaves two options ,

The entire UK remain in a customs union and no divergence from eu standards

Or a hard brexit

Will May be able to sell the idea of staying in a customs union ??

If not it only leaves hard brexit which looking more likely every day

A hard Brexit would result in a hard border. "

But where ??

Under good Friday agreement UK as signed up to the preventing a border north south !

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By *xplicitlyrics OP Man
over a year ago

south dublin

Absolute comedy gold.

Maybe you mis read the thread title or havent been following the news.

The Tories did in fact concede on all 3 points. The Tories did agree a deal.

Evidently Theresa just thought she'd do it behind the DUPs backs but got caught out by the leak.

So thread title was accurate

I'll ask you again Centy:

Was the following statement true or false at the time it was written?

"So its being reported this lunchtime that theyre finalising the text for agreement on moving forward. "

-Matt

The title of this thread is....

"Brexit progress agreed, Tories concede on all 3 areas."

Except we all know the Tories, EU and Ireland agreed on the border. Youre the only one denying it.

If May hadnt lost her majority then the DUPs objections would have been ignored and the deal signed.

You do pick silly fights. No one doubts that May agreed a deal and Foster scuppered it during the meeting with Juncker.

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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

Arlene Foster was on Sky news there saying the wording on the draft agreement would have meant a border in the Irish sea

Lol so in all NI were going to get a special deal so it can be done good so Scotland should get the same deal

Or For the whole of the Uk to stay in the single market and customs union

I know it going to piss leave voters off but you cant have both

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

Ahhh... so you DID completely misunderstand the issue then. For some reason you are STILL under the illusion it was an 'EU egg' pesticide problem. Strange.

-Matt

I think you saying "I'll set the record straight" on that thread left you with egg on your face.

I can't be arsed to get into it again with you. You still for some reason believe that it was an EU issue. Despite it being quite clearly shown that there is no such thing as an 'EU egg'. It was an issue that affected initially one or two countries that happened to be in the EU. It may have later affected some more countries. I don't know. But that doesn't make it an 'EU egg issue' any more than the fact my local council (or several others) can't run a bus service being an 'EU bus issue'. Or the BSE crisis being an 'EU beef issue'.

-Matt

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"It's simple the republic say no border on the island of Ireland .

The dup no border between Ireland and UK ,

This only leaves two options ,

The entire UK remain in a customs union and no divergence from eu standards

Or a hard brexit

Will May be able to sell the idea of staying in a customs union ??

If not it only leaves hard brexit which looking more likely every day

A hard Brexit would result in a hard border.

But where ??

Under good Friday agreement UK as signed up to the preventing a border north south !

The UK also signed up to abiding by and adhering to all of the EU rules and treaties as a member state. The EU's own treaties and rules on article 50 state it's a 2 year exit process from when article 50 is triggered. We triggered article 50 in March 2017, so the UK is leaving the EU in March 2019 either with or without a deal. These are the EU's own rules not the UK's.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Arlene Foster was on Sky news there saying the wording on the draft agreement would have meant a border in the Irish sea

Lol so in all NI were going to get a special deal so it can be done good so Scotland should get the same deal

Or For the whole of the Uk to stay in the single market and customs union

I know it going to piss leave voters off but you cant have both

Will she be able to get agreement to leave the entire UK in single market and customs union ??

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

"It's simple the republic say no border on the island of Ireland .

The dup no border between Ireland and UK ,

This only leaves two options ,

The entire UK remain in a customs union and no divergence from eu standards

Or a hard brexit

Will May be able to sell the idea of staying in a customs union ??

If not it only leaves hard brexit which looking more likely every day

A hard Brexit would result in a hard border.

But where ??

Under good Friday agreement UK as signed up to the preventing a border north south !

Yes. Exactly. It is their rules. We signed up to agree, and that we are now bound by.

The UK also signed up to the Good Friday Agreement, that we are now bound by.

When we leave the former, we best have an answer for the latter. What would have been even better would have been to have thought it through beforehand, but hey-ho, people like yourselves wouldn't have bothered listening anyway.

The *only* reason we have this deadline of March 2019 is because *we* started the clock by triggering article 50. We could easily have waited and worked some of this shit out and decided if it was really in our best interests to leave. And how exactly we'd deal with the NI border issue, or all the other multitude of regulatory issues we have yet to deal with.

-Matt

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"It's simple the republic say no border on the island of Ireland .

The dup no border between Ireland and UK ,

This only leaves two options ,

The entire UK remain in a customs union and no divergence from eu standards

Or a hard brexit

Will May be able to sell the idea of staying in a customs union ??

If not it only leaves hard brexit which looking more likely every day

A hard Brexit would result in a hard border.

But where ??

Under good Friday agreement UK as signed up to the preventing a border north south !

The GFA an international agreement, just like the one that took is into the EU. International agreements can be broken.

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By *xplicitlyrics OP Man
over a year ago

south dublin

EU membership has a method baked into legislation to undo it, Article 50. The Good Friday Agreement has no such get out clause.

The UK is bound by the GFA and has to follow it regardless of an EU deal or not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Absolute comedy gold.

Maybe you mis read the thread title or havent been following the news.

The Tories did in fact concede on all 3 points. The Tories did agree a deal.

Evidently Theresa just thought she'd do it behind the DUPs backs but got caught out by the leak.

So thread title was accurate

I'll ask you again Centy:

Was the following statement true or false at the time it was written?

"So its being reported this lunchtime that theyre finalising the text for agreement on moving forward. "

-Matt

The title of this thread is....

"Brexit progress agreed, Tories concede on all 3 areas."

Except we all know the Tories, EU and Ireland agreed on the border. Youre the only one denying it.

If May hadnt lost her majority then the DUPs objections would have been ignored and the deal signed.

You do pick silly fights. No one doubts that May agreed a deal and Foster scuppered it during the meeting with Juncker."
Unless someone has planted a big in Theresa Mays office we would have no idea what she has agreed to. Anyone who thinks otherwise is simply guessing . Luckily for all of us , as Theresa May believes in democracy she will address the concerns raised by Arlene Foster on behalf of the residents of Northern Ireland .

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"EU membership has a method baked into legislation to undo it, Article 50. The Good Friday Agreement has no such get out clause.

The UK is bound by the GFA and has to follow it regardless of an EU deal or not."

Ah so EU rules can be broken 'when it suits'.

Only we were told during the EU renegotiation with David Cameron that EU rules could not be broken and the UK had to abide by them (specifically on free movement of people). If the EU can break the rules on article 50 as you suggest then they could have also broken the rules on free movement of people and given the UK an opt out of it.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"According to David Davis the whole of the uk is getting the same deal as northern Ireland now

If thats true that really should really piss off the hardcore leave voters say like Centaur lol

If its true the whole of the UK would have to accept freedom of movement lol

It was what was reported from the commons today

Long story short

You voted for a hard border between n and s Ireland and all of the misery that will cause

There is no sensible invisible border there is no sensible hard border

And the truth of the matter centaur is you don't care !

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over a year ago

"It's simple the republic say no border on the island of Ireland .

The dup no border between Ireland and UK ,

This only leaves two options ,

The entire UK remain in a customs union and no divergence from eu standards

Or a hard brexit

Will May be able to sell the idea of staying in a customs union ??

If not it only leaves hard brexit which looking more likely every day

A hard Brexit would result in a hard border.

But where ??

Under good Friday agreement UK as signed up to the preventing a border north south !

The GFA an international agreement, just like the one that took is into the EU. International agreements can be broken."

So then you are saying the uk would be willing to back to the violence in northern Ireland ,

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"It's simple the republic say no border on the island of Ireland .

The dup no border between Ireland and UK ,

This only leaves two options ,

The entire UK remain in a customs union and no divergence from eu standards

Or a hard brexit

Will May be able to sell the idea of staying in a customs union ??

If not it only leaves hard brexit which looking more likely every day

A hard Brexit would result in a hard border.

But where ??

Under good Friday agreement UK as signed up to the preventing a border north south !

The GFA an international agreement, just like the one that took is into the EU. International agreements can be broken.

So then you are saying the uk would be willing to back to the violence in northern Ireland , "

I'm saying that Brexit has backed us into an impossible corner. Voters were warned of the consequences of voting to leave the EU. This is one of those consequences.

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By *xplicitlyrics OP Man
over a year ago

south dublin

"Unless someone has planted a big in Theresa Mays office we would have no idea what she has agreed to. Anyone who thinks otherwise is simply guessing . Luckily for all of us , as Theresa May believes in democracy she will address the concerns raised by Arlene Foster on behalf of the residents of Northern Ireland . "

No one could possibly know what she agreed to....except the people that she agreed it with. Who were in the room with her. Or the DUP who received the agreement from Downing Street on Monday morning and then immediately told May no.

Or the people who were on the EU side who were negotiating it. And the UK side. And the Irish side. And the UKs cabinet who were informed in a special cabinet meeting. And the Irish cabinet who had a similar meeting.

So apart from all those people. And whoever those people told. No one could possibly know.

"EU membership has a method baked into legislation to undo it, Article 50. The Good Friday Agreement has no such get out clause.

The UK is bound by the GFA and has to follow it regardless of an EU deal or not.

Ah so EU rules can be broken 'when it suits'.

Article 50 isnt breaking the rules, its one of the rules. I never suggested anyone was breaking the rules. Are you even sure what youre talking about or are you just stringing words together in the hopes they form a cohesive point?

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over a year ago

"It's simple the republic say no border on the island of Ireland .

The dup no border between Ireland and UK ,

This only leaves two options ,

The entire UK remain in a customs union and no divergence from eu standards

Or a hard brexit

Will May be able to sell the idea of staying in a customs union ??

If not it only leaves hard brexit which looking more likely every day

A hard Brexit would result in a hard border.

But where ??

Under good Friday agreement UK as signed up to the preventing a border north south !

The GFA an international agreement, just like the one that took is into the EU. International agreements can be broken.

So then you are saying the uk would be willing to back to the violence in northern Ireland ,

I'm saying that Brexit has backed us into an impossible corner. Voters were warned of the consequences of voting to leave the EU. This is one of those consequences."

It's a consequence of a weak government that lets a minority party in northern Ireland dictate how it operates , if the uk government had it's pre election majority brxit would have been some bit predictable

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"It's simple the republic say no border on the island of Ireland .

The dup no border between Ireland and UK ,

This only leaves two options ,

The entire UK remain in a customs union and no divergence from eu standards

Or a hard brexit

Will May be able to sell the idea of staying in a customs union ??

If not it only leaves hard brexit which looking more likely every day

A hard Brexit would result in a hard border.

But where ??

Under good Friday agreement UK as signed up to the preventing a border north south !

The GFA an international agreement, just like the one that took is into the EU. International agreements can be broken.

So then you are saying the uk would be willing to back to the violence in northern Ireland ,

I'm saying that Brexit has backed us into an impossible corner. Voters were warned of the consequences of voting to leave the EU. This is one of those consequences.

This has nothing to do with the DUP, or how weak May is. There are no 2 countries anywhere in the world who are not in a SM/CU who share a border without checks.

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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

Scottish Tory branch office at Westminster "met today and unanimously agreed that we fully support the comments from Ruth Davidson MSP that the terms of any Brexit deal with the EU should be UK-wide

Who exactly is running the UK government, is it the DUP, or Ruth Davidson?

If this was not so damn serious this would be a fucking laugh at how the UK is being run right now

So the brexit team is saying the UK is leaving the single market and customs union then trying to give NI a special deal to stay in both

Now wee have Arlene and Ruth Davidson mob saying they dont want a special deal they want the whole of the UK should get one

Funny that as Nicola Sturgeon has been saying this for 364 days that the UK should stay in the single market and customs union now Ruth is finally on board and we all know why the panic in her eyes that is could lead to the break up of the UK then she gets on aboard lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bring on a hard brexit , out of adversity comes opportunity

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By *oubepoMan
over a year ago

Spain Portugal France

"According to David Davis the whole of the uk is getting the same deal as northern Ireland now

If thats true that really should really piss off the hardcore leave voters say like Centaur lol

If its true the whole of the UK would have to accept freedom of movement lol

It was what was reported from the commons today

Long story short

You voted for a hard border between n and s Ireland and all of the misery that will cause

There is no sensible invisible border there is no sensible hard border

And the truth of the matter centaur is you don't care !

There is a hard border between Spain and Gibraltar

You can google the webcam and watch the traffic flowing freely

We are not talking Check Point Charlie - You flash your passport and drive through at 40 - 50 - it's less hassle than approaching a roundabout!

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over a year ago

"According to David Davis the whole of the uk is getting the same deal as northern Ireland now

If thats true that really should really piss off the hardcore leave voters say like Centaur lol

If its true the whole of the UK would have to accept freedom of movement lol

It was what was reported from the commons today

Long story short

You voted for a hard border between n and s Ireland and all of the misery that will cause

There is no sensible invisible border there is no sensible hard border

And the truth of the matter centaur is you don't care !

There is a hard border between Spain and Gibraltar

You can google the webcam and watch the traffic flowing freely

We are not talking Check Point Charlie - You flash your passport and drive through at 40 - 50 - it's less hassle than approaching a roundabout! "
can I do the same with a 40 foot artic ?

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By *xplicitlyrics OP Man
over a year ago

south dublin

There is a hard border between Spain and Gibraltar

You can google the webcam and watch the traffic flowing freely

We are not talking Check Point Charlie - You flash your passport and drive through at 40 - 50 - it's less hassle than approaching a roundabout! "

.........Both Spain and Gibraltar are in the EU and both are part of the SM/CU. Thats not a hard border.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

There is a hard border between Spain and Gibraltar

You can google the webcam and watch the traffic flowing freely

We are not talking Check Point Charlie - You flash your passport and drive through at 40 - 50 - it's less hassle than approaching a roundabout!

.........Both Spain and Gibraltar are in the EU and both are part of the SM/CU. Thats not a hard border."

And regardless, I can hardly see that approach going down well with those frothing at the mouth about reducing EU migrants coming into the country.

-Matt

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over a year ago

One EU ambassador told the Guardian the failure to reach a deal on Northern Ireland was a microcosm of a wider problem. “At root the problem is that [May] seems incapable of making a decision and is afraid of her own shadow,” the source said.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

There is a hard border between Spain and Gibraltar

You can google the webcam and watch the traffic flowing freely

We are not talking Check Point Charlie - You flash your passport and drive through at 40 - 50 - it's less hassle than approaching a roundabout!

.........Both Spain and Gibraltar are in the EU and both are part of the SM/CU. Thats not a hard border."

Not yet lol

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By *oubepoMan
over a year ago

Spain Portugal France

There is a hard border between Spain and Gibraltar

You can google the webcam and watch the traffic flowing freely

We are not talking Check Point Charlie - You flash your passport and drive through at 40 - 50 - it's less hassle than approaching a roundabout!

.........Both Spain and Gibraltar are in the EU and both are part of the SM/CU. Thats not a hard border."

Gibraltar is not in the Customs Union - it's a hard border

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

This government is beyond a joke - they had three things to achieve for this week but seemed to have left most of the communication with other parties until the last minute. And then act surprised when not everyone was agreed on their rushed goals. Incompetenc

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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

All of this prove Article 50 should have never been signed and all devolved parilaments / assemblies should have been brought in so that all 4 countries devolved governments could have talked about every issue so by the end of it then would be an agreed position from the whole of the UK and then trigger Article 50

But nope the Tories thought the could steam ahead without an agreement position from the whole of the UK which if you remember thats what she did say

We can all agree the Tories have handled this full thing in a very bad way

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