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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Donald Tusk "This is why the key to the UK’s future lies - in some ways - in Dublin, at least as long as Brexit negotiations continue."

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2017/1201/924141-tusk-to-meet-varadkar-as-brexit-talks-intensify/

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is this the same Dublin that held a referendum on the Lisbon treaty?....(as Brown promised the UK ..but renaged on it).

The same Irish referendum that rejected the Lisbon treaty?....but then were told/threatened by the EU commission as they had got the vote “wrong” so had to run it again in order to get it “right”.?

THAT Dublin?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is this the same Dublin that held a referendum on the Lisbon treaty?....(as Brown promised the UK ..but renaged on it).

The same Irish referendum that rejected the Lisbon treaty?....but then were told/threatened by the EU commission as they had got the vote “wrong” so had to run it again in order to get it “right”.?

THAT Dublin?"

Why are you surprised the EU are supporting Ireland

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is this the same Dublin that held a referendum on the Lisbon treaty?....(as Brown promised the UK ..but renaged on it).

The same Irish referendum that rejected the Lisbon treaty?....but then were told/threatened by the EU commission as they had got the vote “wrong” so had to run it again in order to get it “right”.?

THAT Dublin?"

That's not what happened.

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By *inkyHnSCouple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

The question being asked of Britain is "how is the Irish border supposed to work post-Brexit". For talks to move on, the question must be (a) answered (b) to Ireland's satisfaction. The world knows that the reason that it hasn't been answered is that the Brexit "team" have no idea of an answer. There is no plan. It is not Ireland's job to ask and answer the question for them. While they pretend not to understand this, the clock is ticking. All Davies seems to say is "are we there yet?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Is this the same Dublin that held a referendum on the Lisbon treaty?....(as Brown promised the UK ..but renaged on it).

The same Irish referendum that rejected the Lisbon treaty?....but then were told/threatened by the EU commission as they had got the vote “wrong” so had to run it again in order to get it “right”.?

THAT Dublin?"

Yep the very place and now it has the power to decide if Britain moves on to talk about trade or not ,

The very same government that was told to "wind it's neck in " by the dup this morning ,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is this the same Dublin that held a referendum on the Lisbon treaty?....(as Brown promised the UK ..but renaged on it).

The same Irish referendum that rejected the Lisbon treaty?....but then were told/threatened by the EU commission as they had got the vote “wrong” so had to run it again in order to get it “right”.?

THAT Dublin?

Yep the very place and now it has the power to decide if Britain moves on to talk about trade or not ,

The very same government that was told to "wind it's neck in " by the dup this morning ,

"

Karma is a bitch right

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin


"Is this the same Dublin that held a referendum on the Lisbon treaty?....(as Brown promised the UK ..but renaged on it).

The same Irish referendum that rejected the Lisbon treaty?....but then were told/threatened by the EU commission as they had got the vote “wrong” so had to run it again in order to get it “right”.?

THAT Dublin?"

Unsurprisingly thats a completely innaccurate retelling of the events.

There was a vote. We disagreed. It was looked into why that was and our concerns were addressed. The new situation was voted on and since our specific concerns were dealt with we, as a nation, were happy to proceed.

See, that is the magic of giving the participants in the EU a say in what happens. If you dont like whats happening you can change it. Instead of the other option of throwing your toys out of the pram and crying about the fact you dont get everything your own way. Adults compromise. Adults find a way to work together and improve each others situation and their own. Children throw the baby out with the bathwater to use an old phrase.

The UK had everything at their disposal to address their specific concerns as did Ireland. The Irish chose to negotiate and work towards a better EU for themselves and the other 27 countries. The Tories and other Brexiters decided to have a hissy fit and screw themselves over and then cry about the fact they were going to lose out due to their own illthought out actions.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Is this the same Dublin that held a referendum on the Lisbon treaty?....(as Brown promised the UK ..but renaged on it).

The same Irish referendum that rejected the Lisbon treaty?....but then were told/threatened by the EU commission as they had got the vote “wrong” so had to run it again in order to get it “right”.?

THAT Dublin?

Yep the very place and now it has the power to decide if Britain moves on to talk about trade or not ,

The very same government that was told to "wind it's neck in " by the dup this morning ,

Karma is a bitch right "

Comes back and bites ya on the arse every time

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

By all means Rep. of Ireland can veto the trade talks if they like. It just means the UK will leave the EU in March 2019 without a deal and we'll trade with the EU on WTO rules and the EU can kiss goodbye to its divorce bill. The UK is leaving the EU in March 2019 one way or the other, either with a deal or without a deal. Of course leaving without a deal means there will almost certainly be a hard border between Ireland and Northern Ireland. If Rep. of Ireland want to avoid that then they will need to reach some sort of compromise with the UK in these negotiations.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

I think it is more interesting that THAT ireland will get a vote on the final deal... where as WE in the uk won't!

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"By all means Rep. of Ireland can veto the trade talks if they like. It just means the UK will leave the EU in March 2019 without a deal and we'll trade with the EU on WTO rules and the EU can kiss goodbye to its divorce bill. The UK is leaving the EU in March 2019 one way or the other, either with a deal or without a deal. Of course leaving without a deal means there will almost certainly be a hard border between Ireland and Northern Ireland. If Rep. of Ireland want to avoid that then they will need to reach some sort of compromise with the UK in these negotiations. "

see... this is spoken like a "little englander" living in the middle of england....

you just think about brexit... the problem with people like you is that you don't think of the wider context...

for example... have you even given a slither of thought to the "good friday agreement".... as is that a case of "not my island, not my problem"....

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"By all means Rep. of Ireland can veto the trade talks if they like. It just means the UK will leave the EU in March 2019 without a deal and we'll trade with the EU on WTO rules and the EU can kiss goodbye to its divorce bill. The UK is leaving the EU in March 2019 one way or the other, either with a deal or without a deal. Of course leaving without a deal means there will almost certainly be a hard border between Ireland and Northern Ireland. If Rep. of Ireland want to avoid that then they will need to reach some sort of compromise with the UK in these negotiations.

see... this is spoken like a "little englander" living in the middle of england....

you just think about brexit... the problem with people like you is that you don't think of the wider context...

for example... have you even given a slither of thought to the "good friday agreement".... as is that a case of "not my island, not my problem"...."

Article 50 is written into the EU treaties. It's a 2 year exit process. Article 50 was triggered by the UK in March 2017. This means being bound by the EU treaties and rules on article 50 we are leaving the EU in March 2019, as I said either with a deal or without a deal.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"By all means Rep. of Ireland can veto the trade talks if they like. It just means the UK will leave the EU in March 2019 without a deal and we'll trade with the EU on WTO rules and the EU can kiss goodbye to its divorce bill. The UK is leaving the EU in March 2019 one way or the other, either with a deal or without a deal. Of course leaving without a deal means there will almost certainly be a hard border between Ireland and Northern Ireland. If Rep. of Ireland want to avoid that then they will need to reach some sort of compromise with the UK in these negotiations.

see... this is spoken like a "little englander" living in the middle of england....

you just think about brexit... the problem with people like you is that you don't think of the wider context...

for example... have you even given a slither of thought to the "good friday agreement".... as is that a case of "not my island, not my problem"....

Article 50 is written into the EU treaties. It's a 2 year exit process. Article 50 was triggered by the UK in March 2017. This means being bound by the EU treaties and rules on article 50 we are leaving the EU in March 2019, as I said either with a deal or without a deal. "

..... and the internationally ratified good friday agreement states there can be no border crossing on the island of ireland..... so how do you proposed the UK government gets around that?

because saying that borders can't be discussed until they get a trade agreement is disengenious at best and a flat out lie at worst.... they already know what parameters they have to work within......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"By all means Rep. of Ireland can veto the trade talks if they like. It just means the UK will leave the EU in March 2019 without a deal and we'll trade with the EU on WTO rules and the EU can kiss goodbye to its divorce bill. The UK is leaving the EU in March 2019 one way or the other, either with a deal or without a deal. Of course leaving without a deal means there will almost certainly be a hard border between Ireland and Northern Ireland. If Rep. of Ireland want to avoid that then they will need to reach some sort of compromise with the UK in these negotiations.

see... this is spoken like a "little englander" living in the middle of england....

you just think about brexit... the problem with people like you is that you don't think of the wider context...

for example... have you even given a slither of thought to the "good friday agreement".... as is that a case of "not my island, not my problem"....

Article 50 is written into the EU treaties. It's a 2 year exit process. Article 50 was triggered by the UK in March 2017. This means being bound by the EU treaties and rules on article 50 we are leaving the EU in March 2019, as I said either with a deal or without a deal. "

I dont know if you saw...but the WTO Director was being interviewed on TV last night...hes saying completely the opposite to what your saying...he says if the UK leaves with no deal from the EU that changes everything where the WTO stands...and it would take literally months if not years to put all these deals in place....i seriously think you need to research more

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"By all means Rep. of Ireland can veto the trade talks if they like. It just means the UK will leave the EU in March 2019 without a deal and we'll trade with the EU on WTO rules and the EU can kiss goodbye to its divorce bill. The UK is leaving the EU in March 2019 one way or the other, either with a deal or without a deal. Of course leaving without a deal means there will almost certainly be a hard border between Ireland and Northern Ireland. If Rep. of Ireland want to avoid that then they will need to reach some sort of compromise with the UK in these negotiations. "

This is an amazing example of the "your fist, my face" fighting style.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"By all means Rep. of Ireland can veto the trade talks if they like. It just means the UK will leave the EU in March 2019 without a deal and we'll trade with the EU on WTO rules and the EU can kiss goodbye to its divorce bill. The UK is leaving the EU in March 2019 one way or the other, either with a deal or without a deal. Of course leaving without a deal means there will almost certainly be a hard border between Ireland and Northern Ireland. If Rep. of Ireland want to avoid that then they will need to reach some sort of compromise with the UK in these negotiations.

This is an amazing example of the "your fist, my face" fighting style."

Not really, it's an example of being bound by the EU's own treaties and rules on article 50.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados


"By all means Rep. of Ireland can veto the trade talks if they like. It just means the UK will leave the EU in March 2019 without a deal and we'll trade with the EU on WTO rules and the EU can kiss goodbye to its divorce bill. The UK is leaving the EU in March 2019 one way or the other, either with a deal or without a deal. Of course leaving without a deal means there will almost certainly be a hard border between Ireland and Northern Ireland. If Rep. of Ireland want to avoid that then they will need to reach some sort of compromise with the UK in these negotiations.

This is an amazing example of the "your fist, my face" fighting style.

Not really, it's an example of being bound by the EU's own treaties and rules on article 50. "

That we signed up to and agreed to abide by.

-Matt

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin

May wouldnt have signed up to the divorce bill if she wasnt intent on getting a deal. It was a major concession thats made her look weak, to let negotiations fall apart within days would be pointless and astoundingly stupid of her.

But there are special cabinet meetings for the UK and Irish governments ahead of the May/Juncker grovelling and lunch. We'll know more very soon. I still think this will be kicked down the road a little with a clear understanding that whats agreed wont be formally announced yet.

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