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"No one talks about "money" being devolved or not, that doesn't make sense in a political sense. What people have said kinky, is that taxation is devolved in a wide range of areas. Scotland can set its own tax rates, to raise more, or less money for Scotland as it sees fit. " CLCC where does Scotland's budget come from ? | |||
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"No one talks about "money" being devolved or not, that doesn't make sense in a political sense. What people have said kinky, is that taxation is devolved in a wide range of areas. Scotland can set its own tax rates, to raise more, or less money for Scotland as it sees fit. CLCC where does Scotland's budget come from ? " The Scottish Parliament write a budget for how they plan to spend money in devolved areas of responsibility. | |||
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"No one talks about "money" being devolved or not, that doesn't make sense in a political sense. What people have said kinky, is that taxation is devolved in a wide range of areas. Scotland can set its own tax rates, to raise more, or less money for Scotland as it sees fit. CLCC where does Scotland's budget come from ? The Scottish Parliament write a budget for how they plan to spend money in devolved areas of responsibility. " No no am asking you where does Scotland's budget come from ? I know the Scottish government can decide where the money gets spent but what i am asking who sets what Scotland gets in the Scottish budget ? | |||
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"No one talks about "money" being devolved or not, that doesn't make sense in a political sense. What people have said kinky, is that taxation is devolved in a wide range of areas. Scotland can set its own tax rates, to raise more, or less money for Scotland as it sees fit. CLCC where does Scotland's budget come from ? The Scottish Parliament write a budget for how they plan to spend money in devolved areas of responsibility. No no am asking you where does Scotland's budget come from ? I know the Scottish government can decide where the money gets spent but what i am asking who sets what Scotland gets in the Scottish budget ? " http://www.gov.scot/Publications/2016/12/6610 Its written by the Cabinet Secretary for Finance and the Constitution. | |||
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"No one talks about "money" being devolved or not, that doesn't make sense in a political sense. What people have said kinky, is that taxation is devolved in a wide range of areas. Scotland can set its own tax rates, to raise more, or less money for Scotland as it sees fit. CLCC where does Scotland's budget come from ? The Scottish Parliament write a budget for how they plan to spend money in devolved areas of responsibility. No no am asking you where does Scotland's budget come from ? I know the Scottish government can decide where the money gets spent but what i am asking who sets what Scotland gets in the Scottish budget ? http://www.gov.scot/Publications/2016/12/6610 Its written by the Cabinet Secretary for Finance and the Constitution." Come on stop stalling lol Where does the Scotland's budget come from ? Hell i will make it piss easy for you does Scotland's budget come from Westminster ? Also out of interest CLCC with the brexit impact papers being redacted and if it is true that Scotland will face being £30 billion worse off in the UK brexit would you still want Scotland to follow the UK brexit ? Would you CLCC accept Scotland being worse off in a UK brexit just so you can keep the UK union together ? | |||
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"No one talks about "money" being devolved or not, that doesn't make sense in a political sense. What people have said kinky, is that taxation is devolved in a wide range of areas. Scotland can set its own tax rates, to raise more, or less money for Scotland as it sees fit. CLCC where does Scotland's budget come from ? The Scottish Parliament write a budget for how they plan to spend money in devolved areas of responsibility. No no am asking you where does Scotland's budget come from ? I know the Scottish government can decide where the money gets spent but what i am asking who sets what Scotland gets in the Scottish budget ? http://www.gov.scot/Publications/2016/12/6610 Its written by the Cabinet Secretary for Finance and the Constitution. Come on stop stalling lol Where does the Scotland's budget come from ? Hell i will make it piss easy for you does Scotland's budget come from Westminster ? Also out of interest CLCC with the brexit impact papers being redacted and if it is true that Scotland will face being £30 billion worse off in the UK brexit would you still want Scotland to follow the UK brexit ? Would you CLCC accept Scotland being worse off in a UK brexit just so you can keep the UK union together ?" No, Scotland writes it's own budget, I even gave you the link. Westminster also has a budget (and a statement), which covers all areas not devolved. Wales too writes it's own budget for devolved matters, as does the northern Ireland assembly when it's in session. | |||
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"No one talks about "money" being devolved or not, that doesn't make sense in a political sense. What people have said kinky, is that taxation is devolved in a wide range of areas. Scotland can set its own tax rates, to raise more, or less money for Scotland as it sees fit. CLCC where does Scotland's budget come from ? The Scottish Parliament write a budget for how they plan to spend money in devolved areas of responsibility. No no am asking you where does Scotland's budget come from ? I know the Scottish government can decide where the money gets spent but what i am asking who sets what Scotland gets in the Scottish budget ? http://www.gov.scot/Publications/2016/12/6610 Its written by the Cabinet Secretary for Finance and the Constitution. Come on stop stalling lol Where does the Scotland's budget come from ? Hell i will make it piss easy for you does Scotland's budget come from Westminster ? Also out of interest CLCC with the brexit impact papers being redacted and if it is true that Scotland will face being £30 billion worse off in the UK brexit would you still want Scotland to follow the UK brexit ? Would you CLCC accept Scotland being worse off in a UK brexit just so you can keep the UK union together ? No, Scotland writes it's own budget, I even gave you the link. Westminster also has a budget (and a statement), which covers all areas not devolved. Wales too writes it's own budget for devolved matters, as does the northern Ireland assembly when it's in session. " I wonder i wonder why you are so keen not to answer my questions on brexit impact So here it is again just for you CLCC CLCC with the brexit impact papers being redacted and if it is true that Scotland will face being £30 billion worse off in the UK brexit would you still want Scotland to follow the UK brexit ? Would you CLCC accept Scotland being worse off in a UK brexit just so you can keep the UK union together ? | |||
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"No one talks about "money" being devolved or not, that doesn't make sense in a political sense. What people have said kinky, is that taxation is devolved in a wide range of areas. Scotland can set its own tax rates, to raise more, or less money for Scotland as it sees fit. CLCC where does Scotland's budget come from ? The Scottish Parliament write a budget for how they plan to spend money in devolved areas of responsibility. No no am asking you where does Scotland's budget come from ? I know the Scottish government can decide where the money gets spent but what i am asking who sets what Scotland gets in the Scottish budget ? http://www.gov.scot/Publications/2016/12/6610 Its written by the Cabinet Secretary for Finance and the Constitution. Come on stop stalling lol Where does the Scotland's budget come from ? Hell i will make it piss easy for you does Scotland's budget come from Westminster ? Also out of interest CLCC with the brexit impact papers being redacted and if it is true that Scotland will face being £30 billion worse off in the UK brexit would you still want Scotland to follow the UK brexit ? Would you CLCC accept Scotland being worse off in a UK brexit just so you can keep the UK union together ? No, Scotland writes it's own budget, I even gave you the link. Westminster also has a budget (and a statement), which covers all areas not devolved. Wales too writes it's own budget for devolved matters, as does the northern Ireland assembly when it's in session. I wonder i wonder why you are so keen not to answer my questions on brexit impact So here it is again just for you CLCC CLCC with the brexit impact papers being redacted and if it is true that Scotland will face being £30 billion worse off in the UK brexit would you still want Scotland to follow the UK brexit ? Would you CLCC accept Scotland being worse off in a UK brexit just so you can keep the UK union together ?" Kinky, you are so confused and go down so many rabbit holes, I can only answer one of your questions at a time. Now we have established that Scotland has taxation powers, and devolved administrations write their own budgets, I am more than happy to move on to the next question. I think Brexit is going to be terrible economically for the UK, I hope parliament will finally see sense and do a U Turn on the whole idea. As bad as I think Brexit is, there is something even worse, that is Brexit combined with the break up of the UK. That would be even worse. | |||
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"Ok CLCC so you think '' Brexit is going to be terrible economically for the UK'' And you think the UK parliament will finally see sense and do a U Turn So you think brexit is going to be bad for the UK so what happens if parliament does not u-turn on brexit If the reports are true that Scotland will face being £30 billion worse off in the UK brexit would you CLCC accept Scotland being worse off in a UK brexit just so you can keep the UK union together ?" I do think Brexit will be economically terrible (terrible in many other ways too). I didn't say that I think the UK parliament will reverse course, I said I hoped that they would. I think it takes a very brave set of politicians to do what is right but unpopular, and I don't think we have that calibre of politicians in our current abysmal crop. In the case of Brexit, England, Scotland, Wales and NI will all be hit hard. In the case of Brexit and a break up of the UK, that hit will be magnified many times over. It would make it much much worse. | |||
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"Ok lets narrow it down here to a single question Would you CLCC accept Scotland being £30 billoon worse off in a UK brexit just so you can keep the UK union together ? " I don't accept the premise of your question. I don't know where you have got this particular £30bn from, and you haven't explained if that is a one off payment, or £30bn a year, or '£3bn a year for 10 years' kind of figure. However if we leave that to one side, and use that figure purely illustratively, I see the options more like do you want to see Scotland £30bn worse off after Brexit, or do you want to see Scotland £60bn worse off by going through Brexit and leaving the UK. That is much worse in my opinion. | |||
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"Ok lets narrow it down here to a single question Would you CLCC accept Scotland being £30 billoon worse off in a UK brexit just so you can keep the UK union together ? I don't accept the premise of your question. I don't know where you have got this particular £30bn from, and you haven't explained if that is a one off payment, or £30bn a year, or '£3bn a year for 10 years' kind of figure. However if we leave that to one side, and use that figure purely illustratively, I see the options more like do you want to see Scotland £30bn worse off after Brexit, or do you want to see Scotland £60bn worse off by going through Brexit and leaving the UK. That is much worse in my opinion. " Right you know fine well the brexit impact papers have been redacted right so that means the Tories are hiding all the bad shite now it was reported Scotland could face being £30billion worse off in a brexit UK look it up if you have trouble believing me So Would you CLCC accept Scotland being £30 billoon worse off in a UK brexit just so you can keep the UK union together ? Where you getting £60billion from ? I really hate posting links but if it gets you to see things clear and since people in the UK seem to believe the media here you go https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/no-deal-brexit-would-cost-scottish-economy-30bn-over-5-years-1-4594589 http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15614550.Scotland_set_for____devastating______30bn_Brexit_bombshell_if_UK_leaves_EU_without_deal/ | |||
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"Infact reading what you have just put CLCC you are effectually are saying hell yes i would be more than happy to accept Scotland being £30billion worse off to keep the UK together So you would accept damage to the Scottish economy just to keep the UK together " The options aren't £30bn or £0. The options are £30bn or £60bn/£90bn/£120bn etc. For Scotland to leave the UK whilst the UK is going through Brexit would be absolutely devastating. If you think that the Brexit negotiations are complicated, wait until you see what it would be like for the UK/Scotland. | |||
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"Kinky voted yes in the referendum on independence, the consequences of that would have seen Scotland out of both the EU and the UK. He doesn't give a damn how much it would have cost. It is, on his part completely disingenuous to complain now about a decision the UK has made when he made the same decision in 2014,s referendum. He is a typical of many snp voters, manipulative, misleading duplicitous "independence transcends all" nationalist. Nothing else matters. " Now Ticklybit that is a very bold statement to make So if there had been a yes vote in 2014 you do understand there would have been 2 years of talks with the UK and on the EU issue are you now saying you knew how those 2 years of talks would go ? Lol Lmao i dont give a damn ? Thats rich as pro unionists were the ones told go vote no and EU membership would be safe in the UK now thats its no safe in the UK unionists couldnt give a damn so yes i bit rich that. Lol again bit rich as i have asked you and you keep dodgying the question If the reports are true that Scotland face being £30 billion off worse in your UK brexit would you be happy to accept that for Scotland ? It kinda sounds like you nothing else matters for you other than saving the UK no matter the cost and be willing to have Scotland suffer damage to our economy just so you can keep your UK union together tut tut Ticklybit how powers that is already devolved to Scotland is coming straight right back to Holyrood after the EU laws change to UK law ? What is it that unionists fear so much about giving the Scottish people a choice when the final brexit deal is known either agree to brexit or independence its as if you fear people have changed their minds and wold rather see an independent Scotland being in the EU than stay with the rest of the UK out of the EU Lol | |||
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"Infact reading what you have just put CLCC you are effectually are saying hell yes i would be more than happy to accept Scotland being £30billion worse off to keep the UK together So you would accept damage to the Scottish economy just to keep the UK together The options aren't £30bn or £0. The options are £30bn or £60bn/£90bn/£120bn etc. For Scotland to leave the UK whilst the UK is going through Brexit would be absolutely devastating. If you think that the Brexit negotiations are complicated, wait until you see what it would be like for the UK/Scotland. " So would it not be better for Scotland to find out what the final brexit deal is and then allow the Scottish people to decide if we agree to that or would rather Scottish independence before the UK leaves the EU therefore not suffering the effects of brexit Why should Scotland wait till after brexit and suffer the effects of brexit that is utter madness if you think Scottish people are going to honestly just sit and watch our country suffer for something we didnt vote for just so people can claim to save the UK union not a chance in hell!!! England voted to leave i have to respect that vote as the majority in England voted for it i really do hope people come round to what a mess it will be and the bad effects brexit will have on their lifes but Scotland do have a mandate to a referendum and if we feel the final brexit deal is shite then yes we have a right to an independence referendum to decide our future. Honestly that way it comes across with some people is like they dont care about Scotland and N.Ireland votes to remain part of the EU now i know what people are gonna say you dont care about the 55% that voted to remain part of the UK i do and i have respected that vote bit since that vote Scotland's people have given the elected party in government a mandate to go seek a independence referendum if need be and by god we will use If Westminster block it there is nothing wrong with Scotland holding an adivsory referendum if its good enough for the UK government to have an advisory referendum on the EU that its good enough for Scotland too And if a yes vote was voted for it would be hard to ignore it This is the prove that the UNITED KINGDOM is not so damn well united!! when it more looks like a dictatorship | |||
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"Infact reading what you have just put CLCC you are effectually are saying hell yes i would be more than happy to accept Scotland being £30billion worse off to keep the UK together So you would accept damage to the Scottish economy just to keep the UK together The options aren't £30bn or £0. The options are £30bn or £60bn/£90bn/£120bn etc. For Scotland to leave the UK whilst the UK is going through Brexit would be absolutely devastating. If you think that the Brexit negotiations are complicated, wait until you see what it would be like for the UK/Scotland. So would it not be better for Scotland to find out what the final brexit deal is and then allow the Scottish people to decide if we agree to that or would rather Scottish independence before the UK leaves the EU therefore not suffering the effects of brexit Why should Scotland wait till after brexit and suffer the effects of brexit that is utter madness if you think Scottish people are going to honestly just sit and watch our country suffer for something we didnt vote for just so people can claim to save the UK union not a chance in hell!!! England voted to leave i have to respect that vote as the majority in England voted for it i really do hope people come round to what a mess it will be and the bad effects brexit will have on their lifes but Scotland do have a mandate to a referendum and if we feel the final brexit deal is shite then yes we have a right to an independence referendum to decide our future. Honestly that way it comes across with some people is like they dont care about Scotland and N.Ireland votes to remain part of the EU now i know what people are gonna say you dont care about the 55% that voted to remain part of the UK i do and i have respected that vote bit since that vote Scotland's people have given the elected party in government a mandate to go seek a independence referendum if need be and by god we will use If Westminster block it there is nothing wrong with Scotland holding an adivsory referendum if its good enough for the UK government to have an advisory referendum on the EU that its good enough for Scotland too And if a yes vote was voted for it would be hard to ignore it This is the prove that the UNITED KINGDOM is not so damn well united!! when it more looks like a dictatorship " You see your problem lies in believing that you can avoid the suffering, you can’t, unless Brexit is reversed. You seem to be under the illusion that the Brexit deal will be done, Scotland will vote to leave the UK, and will remain in the EU without any problems. That is simply not going to happen. Look at the issue with the NI/Eire border. The UK and EU are not going to wrap that up after months of negotiations, only to then suddenly be confronted with an England/Scotland border to deal with as well. Its not going to happen. Do you honestly believe that Scotland can wait until the deal is done, hold a referendum campaign, vote to leave the UK, conclude the negotiations with the rest of the UK, and leave the UK before the UK leaves the EU? Do you believe that? Or do you think there would be at least some period of time in which Scotland is not in the EU? | |||
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""Now Ticklybit that is a very bold statement to make So if there had been a yes vote in 2014 you do understand there would have been 2 years of talks with the UK and on the EU issue are you now saying you knew how those 2 years of talks would go ? Lol" As independence was to take place within 18 months if the referendum, you have just confirmed that Scotland would indeed be out of the EU for at least 6 of those months. Practically speaking, an independent Scotland could not seek to join the EU until after negotiations with the remaining UK had been concluded. As you well know the EU,s Acquis Communautaire requires financial limits and institutions to be in place before accession can take place. There is thus a pre-accession period of varying length, during which the candidate country adapts its institutions, standards and infrastructure to enable it to meet its obligations as a member state. The accession process involves compliance with the accession criteria, including adoption and implementation of the acquis. This may help, https://ec.europa.eu/neighbourhood-enlargement/policy/steps-towards-joining_en Do you seriously believe this could be done in six months? If you do, I,m afraid you are either extremely naive or completely ignorant! " LMAO i just confirmed what ? Where did you see me say such a thing ? By your logic that would mean your saying the UK is out of the EU right now lol Come on Ticklybit still waiting on you answering this If the reports are true that Scotland face being £30 billion off worse in your UK brexit would you be happy to accept that for Scotland ? | |||
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"Ok lets narrow it down here to a single question Would you CLCC accept Scotland being £30 billoon worse off in a UK brexit just so you can keep the UK union together ? I don't accept the premise of your question. I don't know where you have got this particular £30bn from, and you haven't explained if that is a one off payment, or £30bn a year, or '£3bn a year for 10 years' kind of figure. However if we leave that to one side, and use that figure purely illustratively, I see the options more like do you want to see Scotland £30bn worse off after Brexit, or do you want to see Scotland £60bn worse off by going through Brexit and leaving the UK. That is much worse in my opinion. Right you know fine well the brexit impact papers have been redacted right so that means the Tories are hiding all the bad shite now it was reported Scotland could face being £30billion worse off in a brexit UK look it up if you have trouble believing me So Would you CLCC accept Scotland being £30 billoon worse off in a UK brexit just so you can keep the UK union together ? Where you getting £60billion from ? I really hate posting links but if it gets you to see things clear and since people in the UK seem to believe the media here you go https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/no-deal-brexit-would-cost-scottish-economy-30bn-over-5-years-1-4594589 http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15614550.Scotland_set_for____devastating______30bn_Brexit_bombshell_if_UK_leaves_EU_without_deal/" The £30bn figure you have quoted is for a no-deal Brexit. | |||
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"Ok lets narrow it down here to a single question Would you CLCC accept Scotland being £30 billoon worse off in a UK brexit just so you can keep the UK union together ? I don't accept the premise of your question. I don't know where you have got this particular £30bn from, and you haven't explained if that is a one off payment, or £30bn a year, or '£3bn a year for 10 years' kind of figure. However if we leave that to one side, and use that figure purely illustratively, I see the options more like do you want to see Scotland £30bn worse off after Brexit, or do you want to see Scotland £60bn worse off by going through Brexit and leaving the UK. That is much worse in my opinion. Right you know fine well the brexit impact papers have been redacted right so that means the Tories are hiding all the bad shite now it was reported Scotland could face being £30billion worse off in a brexit UK look it up if you have trouble believing me So Would you CLCC accept Scotland being £30 billoon worse off in a UK brexit just so you can keep the UK union together ? Where you getting £60billion from ? I really hate posting links but if it gets you to see things clear and since people in the UK seem to believe the media here you go https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/no-deal-brexit-would-cost-scottish-economy-30bn-over-5-years-1-4594589 http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15614550.Scotland_set_for____devastating______30bn_Brexit_bombshell_if_UK_leaves_EU_without_deal/ The £30bn figure you have quoted is for a no-deal Brexit." Yes duh lol So if the UK leaves the EU without a deal it could leave Scotland £30billion worse off by staying in a UK brexit am shocked there are people on here that are happy to accept this just so the UK stays together So much for the family of nations shite! | |||
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"Lets play the pointless speculation game. If the UK leaves the EU with a deal that has very little impact on the Scottish economy, would you still want independence for Scotland? If the answer is yes, then I can only conclude that you dont care about Brexit and its impact on the UK and Scotland at all. And all this concern is false and simply grievance mongering. Independence transcend all, isnt that the mantra of sturgeon and, dare I suggest, you!" Right lets just say that happens that the UK gets a good deal out of brexit then the case for independence will be off the table but no you will never ever get me to stop believing that Scotland should be an independent country So where do you stand eh Ticklybit does the UK union transcend all ? If the final brexit deal is bad and Scotland is £30billion worse off being in the UK brexit will you just accept that ? | |||
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"Lets play the pointless speculation game. If the UK leaves the EU with a deal that has very little impact on the Scottish economy, would you still want independence for Scotland? If the answer is yes, then I can only conclude that you dont care about Brexit and its impact on the UK and Scotland at all. And all this concern is false and simply grievance mongering. Independence transcend all, isnt that the mantra of sturgeon and, dare I suggest, you! Right lets just say that happens that the UK gets a good deal out of brexit then the case for independence will be off the table but no you will never ever get me to stop believing that Scotland should be an independent country So where do you stand eh Ticklybit does the UK union transcend all ? If the final brexit deal is bad and Scotland is £30billion worse off being in the UK brexit will you just accept that ? " So no matter how bad, no matter how painful, no matter how many people lose their houses, lose their jobs, commit suicide, you still think that Scotland should be independent? | |||
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"Lets play the pointless speculation game. If the UK leaves the EU with a deal that has very little impact on the Scottish economy, would you still want independence for Scotland? If the answer is yes, then I can only conclude that you dont care about Brexit and its impact on the UK and Scotland at all. And all this concern is false and simply grievance mongering. Independence transcend all, isnt that the mantra of sturgeon and, dare I suggest, you! Right lets just say that happens that the UK gets a good deal out of brexit then the case for independence will be off the table but no you will never ever get me to stop believing that Scotland should be an independent country So where do you stand eh Ticklybit does the UK union transcend all ? If the final brexit deal is bad and Scotland is £30billion worse off being in the UK brexit will you just accept that ? So no matter how bad, no matter how painful, no matter how many people lose their houses, lose their jobs, commit suicide, you still think that Scotland should be independent? " commit suicide wtf trust you to over react lol | |||
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"Lets play the pointless speculation game. If the UK leaves the EU with a deal that has very little impact on the Scottish economy, would you still want independence for Scotland? If the answer is yes, then I can only conclude that you dont care about Brexit and its impact on the UK and Scotland at all. And all this concern is false and simply grievance mongering. Independence transcend all, isnt that the mantra of sturgeon and, dare I suggest, you! Right lets just say that happens that the UK gets a good deal out of brexit then the case for independence will be off the table but no you will never ever get me to stop believing that Scotland should be an independent country So where do you stand eh Ticklybit does the UK union transcend all ? If the final brexit deal is bad and Scotland is £30billion worse off being in the UK brexit will you just accept that ? So no matter how bad, no matter how painful, no matter how many people lose their houses, lose their jobs, commit suicide, you still think that Scotland should be independent? commit suicide wtf trust you to over react lol" I think you meant, 'trust you to be aware of the research' Recession 'led to 10,000 suicides' - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-27796628 | |||
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"Lets play the pointless speculation game. If the UK leaves the EU with a deal that has very little impact on the Scottish economy, would you still want independence for Scotland? If the answer is yes, then I can only conclude that you dont care about Brexit and its impact on the UK and Scotland at all. And all this concern is false and simply grievance mongering. Independence transcend all, isnt that the mantra of sturgeon and, dare I suggest, you! Right lets just say that happens that the UK gets a good deal out of brexit then the case for independence will be off the table but no you will never ever get me to stop believing that Scotland should be an independent country So where do you stand eh Ticklybit does the UK union transcend all ? If the final brexit deal is bad and Scotland is £30billion worse off being in the UK brexit will you just accept that ? So no matter how bad, no matter how painful, no matter how many people lose their houses, lose their jobs, commit suicide, you still think that Scotland should be independent? " Since when was it a crime to believe the country you live in should be independent ? I dont have a problem with people that believe in the UK union thats there choice | |||
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Nothing in the so called mandate with the triple lock, was there any mention of a favourable, or for that matter, an unfavourable deal.
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""Since when was it a crime to believe the country you live in should be independent ?" Are you a Brexiteer? I can imagine UKIPers saying the very same thing. Next you will be saying that your nationalism is better than their nationalism. Do you like what you see in the mirror? "Nope i am not a leave vote Fuck aye i am a sexy motherfucker lol | |||
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Nothing in the so called mandate with the triple lock, was there any mention of a favourable, or for that matter, an unfavourable deal.
I now know why you rarely answer questions, you invariably make an arse of yourself when you do. "No she wont the mandate is there for when the final brexit deal is known that a referendum should be held to give the Scottish people to decide on our futrue i get though Ticklybit you seem like most pro unionists shite feart to allow people in Scotland to decide. Me that rarely answers lol Yeah ok so tell me Ticklybit your having a go at me not answering questions i didnt see you answer this So where do you stand eh Ticklybit does the UK union transcend all ? If the final brexit deal is bad and Scotland is £30billion worse off being in the UK brexit will you just accept that ? | |||
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"You're losing it pal, totally losing it. The so called mandate with the triple lock had nothing to do with Brexit negotiations, no mention of it at all. It was all about "being dragged out against our will". We are leaving, and that's a fact. Are we being dragged out against our will? I know that, but do you know that?" Ohhh i noticed you seem not to want to answer my question strange as hell as your the one saying i rarely answer but here you are not answering my question lol Lets now you answer mine i answer yours seem fair Now try this So where do you stand eh Ticklybit does the UK union transcend all ? If the final brexit deal is bad and Scotland is £30billion worse off being in the UK brexit will you just accept that ? | |||
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"Just playing you at your own game. "Ok you answer mine i answer yours seem fair So where do you stand eh Ticklybit does the UK union transcend all ? If the final brexit deal is bad and Scotland is £30billion worse off being in the UK brexit will you just accept that ? | |||
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"Yes, listen to lovingthehun69. He sounds like a reasonable chap with no chip on his shoulder or tainted with bigotry and sectarianism. "Does have a point though lets test it eh So Ticklybit saying something good about Scotland and the SNP Also it would appear you really dont want to answer this question eh lol Ticklybit does the UK union transcend all ? If the final brexit deal is bad and Scotland is £30billion worse off being in the UK brexit will you just accept that ? | |||
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"Yes, listen to lovingthehun69. He sounds like a reasonable chap with no chip on his shoulder or tainted with bigotry and sectarianism. "wheres my bigotry ans sectarianism? Im telling it as it is the political landscape in scottish politics is now about religion and thats all down to the so called better together movement and ruth davidsons tories who welcomed the orange order into their parties and as we all know they are the most bigoted and vile sectarians in our country ,oh and if you look back on the posts you were the first person on the post to mention bigots ,me im just telling it as it is as a lot of ppl in uk reading this post wont know about the religious divide ruth davidson has caused up here | |||
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"He has a point! Does this pass as a point in your mind, "bigoted lodges they dont give a fuck about scotland they live in the dark ages of 1690"? Good god, if that's what he's prepared to post in an open forum, I shudder to think what his views are in private." How in the hell did i know you were going to go with that did you read what i put seriously go back and read it I said he has a point that unionists never do say anything good about Scotland so here is your chance Ticklybit say something good about Scotland and the SNP ? While your at it stop shitting your knickers and answer this Ticklybit does the UK union transcend all ? If the final brexit deal is bad and Scotland is £30billion worse off being in the UK brexit will you just accept that ? | |||
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"He has a point! Does this pass as a point in your mind, "bigoted lodges they dont give a fuck about scotland they live in the dark ages of 1690"? Good god, if that's what he's prepared to post in an open forum, I shudder to think what his views are in private." Why should i not be honest ? Everyone in scotland knows what the orange order stands for they are anti catholic and anti nationalist bigots ,and when ruth davidson encouraged them to stand as msps ,mps ,and councillors thats when she brought religion into politics ,if you check im sure a few have been suspended already for their bigoted veiws on twitter and facebook | |||
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""How in the hell did i know you were going to go with that" Because even you could see it was an incredibly stupid thing to post in an open forum. Well done you. " Why was it a stupid thing to post? Im an honest person and will tell it as it is so are you trying to say its not about religion ? | |||
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""How in the hell did i know you were going to go with that" Because even you could see it was an incredibly stupid thing to post in an open forum. Well done you. " Like i said he has a point go on prove me wrong Ticklybit say something good about Scotland and the SNP ? Again while your at it try answering this Ticklybit does the UK union transcend all ? If the final brexit deal is bad and Scotland is £30billion worse off being in the UK brexit will you just accept that ? Cat caught your tongue ? Lol It really comes across like you dont have a clue on how to answer this incase it look bad on you lol | |||
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""are you trying to say its not about religion ?" I,m not trying to say anything, my posts are clear, coherent and concise. If you cant understand them, that's your problem. For me it most certainly not about religion. For you, it obviously is. " Why did you bring up bigotry then ?as i said im letting ppl know who the real bigots in scotland are ,and im more than happy to give my honest veiws in an open forum thats what forums are for | |||
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""are you trying to say its not about religion ?" I,m not trying to say anything, my posts are clear, coherent and concise. If you cant understand them, that's your problem. For me it most certainly not about religion. For you, it obviously is. " Might have known it Ticklybit you claim i dont answer questions bit rich eh that you are not answering me maybe take your own advice lol Read to answer my question yet Does the UK union transcend all ? If the final brexit deal is bad and Scotland is £30billion worse off being in the UK brexit will you just accept that ? | |||
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"Where have I used "bigotry" PRIOR to your first post on this thread? Your post was vile, bigoted and unessesary, it was in response to your post that I used the word. I called it what it was, in a sarcastic manner. And justifiably so. " Scroll down the first post youl find that you called snp supporters followers of the cult and bigots ,thats your opinion and your entitled to it i stand by everything i said just putting it out there who the real bigots in scotland are the tories and orange order and if your trying to say they are not then you are deluded | |||
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"This was my first post on this thread, are you sure? "Kinky voted yes in the referendum on independence, the consequences of that would have seen Scotland out of both the EU and the UK. He doesn't give a damn how much it would have cost. It is, on his part completely disingenuous to complain now about a decision the UK has made when he made the same decision in 2014,s referendum. He is a typical of many snp voters, manipulative, misleading duplicitous "independence transcends all" nationalist. Nothing else matters." I cant see it, can you?" Xenophobic bigot is that not what you called him in part 1 | |||
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"No one talks about "money" being devolved or not, that doesn't make sense in a political sense. What people have said kinky, is that taxation is devolved in a wide range of areas. Scotland can set its own tax rates, to raise more, or less money for Scotland as it sees fit. CLCC where does Scotland's budget come from ? The Scottish Parliament write a budget for how they plan to spend money in devolved areas of responsibility. No no am asking you where does Scotland's budget come from ? I know the Scottish government can decide where the money gets spent but what i am asking who sets what Scotland gets in the Scottish budget ? http://www.gov.scot/Publications/2016/12/6610 Its written by the Cabinet Secretary for Finance and the Constitution. Come on stop stalling lol Where does the Scotland's budget come from ? Hell i will make it piss easy for you does Scotland's budget come from Westminster ? Also out of interest CLCC with the brexit impact papers being redacted and if it is true that Scotland will face being £30 billion worse off in the UK brexit would you still want Scotland to follow the UK brexit ? Would you CLCC accept Scotland being worse off in a UK brexit just so you can keep the UK union together ?" What proof do you have it will be better off ?? | |||
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"Oh never underestimate the fanaticism that means some will willingly throw there fellow countryman "Under a bus" to make themselves feel better....It is all political dogma being played out by piss poor politicians of every hue.. "You said it Millie it would appear some pro unionists are actually willing to see Scotland £30billion worse off in a Uk brexit just To save the UK union tut tut It really would appear some pro unionists really dont have Scotlands best interests at heart imagine willing to accept dame to the Scottish economy just to say you have save the UK from breaking apart thats new low lol | |||
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"I cant see it, can you? Xenophobic bigot is that not what you called him in part 1 " I didn't call him a bigot, I said his posts made him look like one. And frankly his comments were by trying to demean another country. Swap England for Pakistan and it would be described as racist! Yours however, didn't just make you look bigoted, they confirmed that you are just another sectarian bigot that the West of Scotland has been plagued with for decades. | |||
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"I cant see it, can you? Xenophobic bigot is that not what you called him in part 1 I didn't call him a bigot, I said his posts made him look like one. And frankly his comments were by trying to demean another country. Swap England for Pakistan and it would be described as racist! Yours however, didn't just make you look bigoted, they confirmed that you are just another sectarian bigot that the West of Scotland has been plagued with for decades. " So im a secterian bigot for telling the truth lol as i said your deluded ,by accepting the orange order into scottish politics made it all about religion and thats the truth seems ive hit a nerve by bringing it up and talking openly about it or would you rather it just gets swept under the carpet like it has been for decades | |||
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""You said it Millie it would appear some pro unionists are actually willing to see Scotland £30billion worse off in a Uk brexit just To save the UK union tut tut" Says the man that would voted to leave both the EU and the UK, causing damage that would dwarf his speculative Brexit scenario. With no prospect of rejoining the EU for a very long time. This faux concern about leaving the EU is an absolute sham, he cares not a jot about EU membership. Don't let him con you into believing he does. One thing and one thing only defines his "politics", and that is independence, it transcends all. " Ticklybit for you does the UK union transcend all? I disnt vote to leave the EU i voted remain please lying people get it right i voted to break the UK apart Dont let me con people ? Listen people can decide for themselves but you do seem rattled though lol | |||
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The alternative is hold the referendum now (SNP know they would lose), or wait until after brexit.how does that solve the timing issue ? Seems to me that boat has long since sailed. "There is a lot longer time between now and March 2019, and between Dec 2018 and March 2019. | |||
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The alternative is hold the referendum now (SNP know they would lose), or wait until after brexit.how does that solve the timing issue ? Seems to me that boat has long since sailed.
There is a lot longer time between now and March 2019, and between Dec 2018 and March 2019."wow. Thanks. But your point was this is bigger than brexit. And is starting after brexit. So I’m curious how you see it working. | |||
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The alternative is hold the referendum now (SNP know they would lose), or wait until after brexit.how does that solve the timing issue ? Seems to me that boat has long since sailed.
There is a lot longer time between now and March 2019, and between Dec 2018 and March 2019.wow. Thanks. But your point was this is bigger than brexit. And is starting after brexit. So I’m curious how you see it working. "I don't see it working at all. | |||
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The alternative is hold the referendum now (SNP know they would lose), or wait until after brexit.how does that solve the timing issue ? Seems to me that boat has long since sailed.
There is a lot longer time between now and March 2019, and between Dec 2018 and March 2019.wow. Thanks. But your point was this is bigger than brexit. And is starting after brexit. So I’m curious how you see it working.
I don't see it working at all. "What is the point in holding an independence referendum right now when no one knows the final brexit deal ? Really and how do you or any unionists know 100% that people will vote against independence eh ? If you think Scottish people are going to sit there and wait till after brexit and the UK leaves the EU you must be mad lol Why would people wait till after and suffer the worse effects of brexit when we have a chance to get the fuck away before the effects of brexit effect Scotland Oct 2018 is when we should all know the final brexit deal the UK leaves in March 2019 plenty of time to start campagining in Scotland with an independence referendum Why do you think the unionist parties are so shite scaried to have an independence referendum ? Lol | |||
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"What’s the alternative ? Serious question. I don’t pay all that much attention to the current debate (not helped by the fact the quality of discussion feels even lower than brexit. )
The alternative is hold the referendum now (SNP know they would lose), or wait until after brexit.how does that solve the timing issue ? Seems to me that boat has long since sailed.
There is a lot longer time between now and March 2019, and between Dec 2018 and March 2019.wow. Thanks. But your point was this is bigger than brexit. And is starting after brexit. So I’m curious how you see it working.
I don't see it working at all.
What is the point in holding an independence referendum right now when no one knows the final brexit deal ?
Really and how do you or any unionists know 100% that people will vote against independence eh ?
If you think Scottish people are going to sit there and wait till after brexit and the UK leaves the EU you must be mad lol Why would people wait till after and suffer the worse effects of brexit when we have a chance to get the fuck away before the effects of brexit effect Scotland
Oct 2018 is when we should all know the final brexit deal the UK leaves in March 2019 plenty of time to start campagining in Scotland with an independence referendum
Why do you think the unionist parties are so shite scaried to have an independence referendum ? Lol "So you think between Oct 2018 and Mar 2019, there is enough time for a referendum, as well as a negotiation with the UK on leaving, and with the EU for joining? | |||
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The alternative is hold the referendum now (SNP know they would lose), or wait until after brexit.how does that solve the timing issue ? Seems to me that boat has long since sailed.
There is a lot longer time between now and March 2019, and between Dec 2018 and March 2019.wow. Thanks. But your point was this is bigger than brexit. And is starting after brexit. So I’m curious how you see it working.
I don't see it working at all.
What is the point in holding an independence referendum right now when no one knows the final brexit deal ?
Really and how do you or any unionists know 100% that people will vote against independence eh ?
If you think Scottish people are going to sit there and wait till after brexit and the UK leaves the EU you must be mad lol Why would people wait till after and suffer the worse effects of brexit when we have a chance to get the fuck away before the effects of brexit effect Scotland
Oct 2018 is when we should all know the final brexit deal the UK leaves in March 2019 plenty of time to start campagining in Scotland with an independence referendum
Why do you think the unionist parties are so shite scaried to have an independence referendum ? Lol
So you think between Oct 2018 and Mar 2019, there is enough time for a referendum, as well as a negotiation with the UK on leaving, and with the EU for joining? "Yes!!!!! Have you not been listening to the EU on if Scotland were to become independent ? Tut tut The EU chiefs have been very vocal saying Scotland could be fast tracked into the EU Now CLCC why do you think the unionist parties are shite scaried to allow Scotland to have an independence referendum ? Dont say they have not As Ruth Davidson and David Mundell have asked many times for the Scottish government to take independence off the table now why would an elected party in government take a manifesto policy that was voted by the people of Scotland giving them a mandate ? | |||
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"What’s the alternative ? Serious question. I don’t pay all that much attention to the current debate (not helped by the fact the quality of discussion feels even lower than brexit. )
The alternative is hold the referendum now (SNP know they would lose), or wait until after brexit.how does that solve the timing issue ? Seems to me that boat has long since sailed.
There is a lot longer time between now and March 2019, and between Dec 2018 and March 2019.wow. Thanks. But your point was this is bigger than brexit. And is starting after brexit. So I’m curious how you see it working.
I don't see it working at all.
What is the point in holding an independence referendum right now when no one knows the final brexit deal ?
Really and how do you or any unionists know 100% that people will vote against independence eh ?
If you think Scottish people are going to sit there and wait till after brexit and the UK leaves the EU you must be mad lol Why would people wait till after and suffer the worse effects of brexit when we have a chance to get the fuck away before the effects of brexit effect Scotland
Oct 2018 is when we should all know the final brexit deal the UK leaves in March 2019 plenty of time to start campagining in Scotland with an independence referendum
Why do you think the unionist parties are so shite scaried to have an independence referendum ? Lol
So you think between Oct 2018 and Mar 2019, there is enough time for a referendum, as well as a negotiation with the UK on leaving, and with the EU for joining?
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Have you not been listening to the EU on if Scotland were to become independent ? Tut tut
The EU chiefs have been very vocal saying Scotland could be fast tracked into the EU
Now CLCC why do you think the unionist parties are shite scaried to allow Scotland to have an independence referendum ? Dont say they have not As Ruth Davidson and David Mundell have asked many times for the Scottish government to take independence off the table now why would an elected party in government take a manifesto policy that was voted by the people of Scotland giving them a mandate ?
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"Ok CLCC lets see if you can answer these truefully Have EU chiefs said an independent Scotland could be fast tracked into the EU ? Why do you think in your opinion the unionist parties fear having another independence referendum ? Do you think its right to go tell an elected party in government to take a manifesto policy off the table ? " 1) Has the EU said Scotland could be fast tracked? I am not aware of any official statements from the EU that this is the case (please provide a link if there has been). There are probably some member states that would be keen to have Scotland as a member, and obviously some who would be a lot more worried. The bigger question though would be, what does fast tracked mean? If it means 5 years instead of 10, then Scotland is coming out of the EU. In fact if the referendum is in Dec 2018, and it takes 2 months to leave the UK (No way in hell the UK and Scotland could agree to even a single topic such as the split of national debt in that time), then fast tracking would need to equal 2 months, or Scotland crashes out of the EU. 2) Are unionist parties scared of a referendum? I don't think so, I think they just don't like them because the want the UK to remain. 3) Westminster is the only body that can authorise an independence referendum. The largest party in Westminster at the moment is the Conservative party, and they didn't put it in their manifesto to have a referendum. | |||
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"Guy Verhofstadt is not an EU chief, he's an MEP, he has no power or authority to grant anything. Listening to him is the same as listening to Nigel Farage, and no one would consider Farage an "EU chief", they are just ordinary members of the EU parliament with no portfolio. Chiefs! You said, and you come up with that! Oh dear.
"Say what you like Tickly but Guy is part of the EU and he doesnt think there will be much of a challenge to have an independent Scotland join the EU must fucking sting that lol So Ticklybit what do you think about the RBS branches closing down and people losing their jobs and all that in the UK remember it was unionists telling people in Scotland that if you vote yes RBS jobs would be lost So in the 3 years we have had steel workers jobs at risk in the UK Ship yards jobs at risk in the UK HRMC jobs at risk in the UK RBS jobs at risk in the UK 13 type26 frigates to be build on the Clyde now no longer being build on the Clyde See the pattern yet all of those were suppose to be safe in the UK that was the promise from Better Together No fucking wonder Ruth Davidson and David Mundell are begging the SNP to take an independence referendum off the table no amount of extra powers will save the UK this time lol | |||
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"Guy Verhofstadt is not an EU chief, he's an MEP, he has no power or authority to grant anything. Listening to him is the same as listening to Nigel Farage, and no one would consider Farage an "EU chief", they are just ordinary members of the EU parliament with no portfolio. Chiefs! You said, and you come up with that! Oh dear.
Say what you like Tickly but Guy is part of the EU and he doesnt think there will be much of a challenge to have an independent Scotland join the EU must fucking sting that lol
So Ticklybit what do you think about the RBS branches closing down and people losing their jobs and all that in the UK remember it was unionists telling people in Scotland that if you vote yes RBS jobs would be lost
So in the 3 years we have had
steel workers jobs at risk in the UK
Ship yards jobs at risk in the UK
HRMC jobs at risk in the UK
RBS jobs at risk in the UK
13 type26 frigates to be build on the Clyde now no longer being build on the Clyde
See the pattern yet all of those were suppose to be safe in the UK that was the promise from Better Together
No fucking wonder Ruth Davidson and David Mundell are begging the SNP to take an independence referendum off the table no amount of extra powers will save the UK this time lol
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"OP, I've answered all of your questions. Please can you answer a few of mine. (For the purpose of these questions, we will assume that Scotland votes for independence) 1. When do you think a referendum would actually be held, and how long would the official campaign be before hand? 2. How long do you think it would take to negotiate the terms of leaving the UK? This would of course include citizens rights, separation of the armed forces (inc. nuclear deterrent), splitting the national debt, the border, North Sea oil, pensions etc. 3. How long do you think it would take to agree in principle the joining of the EU. 4. How long do you think it would take to actually be ready to join the EU? The creation of a central bank would be required for example. " Come on OP. Answer these. | |||
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"OP, I've answered all of your questions. Please can you answer a few of mine. (For the purpose of these questions, we will assume that Scotland votes for independence) 1. When do you think a referendum would actually be held, and how long would the official campaign be before hand? 2. How long do you think it would take to negotiate the terms of leaving the UK? This would of course include citizens rights, separation of the armed forces (inc. nuclear deterrent), splitting the national debt, the border, North Sea oil, pensions etc. 3. How long do you think it would take to agree in principle the joining of the EU. 4. How long do you think it would take to actually be ready to join the EU? The creation of a central bank would be required for example. Come on OP. Answer these." Wouldn't take any longer than brexit to sort out , Question 1 Campaign is under way at present the uk government is giving more and more reasons every day to leave , Question 2 Citizens rights = eu rules Armed forces, England can keep them scotland will be backed by Europe , National debts, let England whilst for it , Border England can build one if they want , at there own expense North sea oil if it's in Scottish wasters it's Scottish, keep your hands off it , Question 3 Not long scotland is working under eu rules it's a matter of continuing as is , Central bank 6 months to a year , Well wrapped up before brexit , | |||
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"OP, I've answered all of your questions. Please can you answer a few of mine. (For the purpose of these questions, we will assume that Scotland votes for independence) 1. When do you think a referendum would actually be held, and how long would the official campaign be before hand? 2. How long do you think it would take to negotiate the terms of leaving the UK? This would of course include citizens rights, separation of the armed forces (inc. nuclear deterrent), splitting the national debt, the border, North Sea oil, pensions etc. 3. How long do you think it would take to agree in principle the joining of the EU. 4. How long do you think it would take to actually be ready to join the EU? The creation of a central bank would be required for example. Come on OP. Answer these. Wouldn't take any longer than brexit to sort out , Question 1 Campaign is under way at present the uk government is giving more and more reasons every day to leave , Question 2 Citizens rights = eu rules Armed forces, England can keep them scotland will be backed by Europe , National debts, let England whilst for it , Border England can build one if they want , at there own expense North sea oil if it's in Scottish wasters it's Scottish, keep your hands off it , Question 3 Not long scotland is working under eu rules it's a matter of continuing as is , Central bank 6 months to a year , Well wrapped up before brexit , " Right, so you didn't answer Q1, Q2, no military at all? Seems pretty short sighted considering you will also be leaving NATO but Oh Well, I'm sure England will get used to their new Russian neighbours in time. You completely ignored the right of UK citizens living in Scotland and Scottish citizens living in the UK by referring to the rules of an organisation that neither country is a member of . Q3. Didn't answer again, most countries take years if not decades. Q4. The only question you properly answered, which means that Scotland would have a central bank (prerequisite for joining the EU) somewhere between April 2019 and Oct 2019. Firstly that is INCREDIBLY ambitious, but more importantly, it shows that even you believe that Scotland would not be able to join the EU before Brexit. This would leave Scotland outside of the UK, and outside of the EU. No trade deals, and not even a seat a the WTO. Well and truely fucked. | |||
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" Question 1 Campaign is under way at present the uk government is giving more and more reasons every day to leave , Question 2 Citizens rights = eu rules Armed forces, England can keep them scotland will be backed by Europe , National debts, let England whilst for it , Border England can build one if they want , at there own expense North sea oil if it's in Scottish wasters it's Scottish, keep your hands off it , Question 3 Not long scotland is working under eu rules it's a matter of continuing as is , Central bank 6 months to a year , Well wrapped up before brexit , 1) And yet every poll shows that support for independence continues to drop 2)Scotland will be backed by Europe? Have you seen the EU's approach to Catalonia? lol. All those Nats who support that seem pretty shocked by the EU view. Not sure why they'd ever support the EU. As for North Sea Oil, there will be no income from it. The next big thing from the North Sea will be the massive decomisioning costs. North seal oil is current costing money, not earning it, and it will cost more as time goes on. 3) What benefit would Scotland have from leaving the UK and joining the EU? 4) Central bank? lol it would cost billions" 1. That is not true you may like to think that but everysince the referendum it has been sitting at 45% and above sometimes very close to 50/50% i get it though wishful thinking that unionists hope independence has been killed off just wait till the final brexit deal is known lol 2. The catalan issue is different to Scotlands and while i dont agree with the way the EU have handled Catalonia that doesnt stop me believing in being in the EU you can and are allowed different thoughts on things lol If Scotland gains independence The oil will be in Scottish waters where is the big oil boom David Cameron promised ? Lol 3. Scotland would be in a bloc with27 other independent countries in the EU and Scotland will be an equal partner with a veto. If Scotland is worse off in a UK brexit why are people happy to accept that ? 4. Central bank in an independent can be done and start of Scottish currency it may be the Scottish pound or whatever but can be done But yeah i get it unionists its all doom and gloom and never wanna see the good in Scotland or our government Challenge is for unionists say something good about the SNP and Scotland i bet you cant do it for both lol | |||
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" Question 1 Campaign is under way at present the uk government is giving more and more reasons every day to leave , Question 2 Citizens rights = eu rules Armed forces, England can keep them scotland will be backed by Europe , National debts, let England whilst for it , Border England can build one if they want , at there own expense North sea oil if it's in Scottish wasters it's Scottish, keep your hands off it , Question 3 Not long scotland is working under eu rules it's a matter of continuing as is , Central bank 6 months to a year , Well wrapped up before brexit , 1) And yet every poll shows that support for independence continues to drop 2)Scotland will be backed by Europe? Have you seen the EU's approach to Catalonia? lol. All those Nats who support that seem pretty shocked by the EU view. Not sure why they'd ever support the EU. As for North Sea Oil, there will be no income from it. The next big thing from the North Sea will be the massive decomisioning costs. North seal oil is current costing money, not earning it, and it will cost more as time goes on. 3) What benefit would Scotland have from leaving the UK and joining the EU? 4) Central bank? lol it would cost billions 1. That is not true you may like to think that but everysince the referendum it has been sitting at 45% and above sometimes very close to 50/50% i get it though wishful thinking that unionists hope independence has been killed off just wait till the final brexit deal is known lol 2. The catalan issue is different to Scotlands and while i dont agree with the way the EU have handled Catalonia that doesnt stop me believing in being in the EU you can and are allowed different thoughts on things lol If Scotland gains independence The oil will be in Scottish waters where is the big oil boom David Cameron promised ? Lol 3. Scotland would be in a bloc with27 other independent countries in the EU and Scotland will be an equal partner with a veto. If Scotland is worse off in a UK brexit why are people happy to accept that ? 4. Central bank in an independent can be done and start of Scottish currency it may be the Scottish pound or whatever but can be done But yeah i get it unionists its all doom and gloom and never wanna see the good in Scotland or our government Challenge is for unionists say something good about the SNP and Scotland i bet you cant do it for both lol " 1) Go look at all the polls and you'll find out you're wrong. If you wish to deny it then give me a list of them here (rather than a one off poll) and you'll find out you're wrong 2) It wasn't Cameron who promised the oil boom, it was the idiot Swinney https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHxlLw7WAAAnXiK.jpg 3) Scotland wouldn't have an 'equal' voice within the EU. We would have less than 3% of the voting power. It wouldn't matter anyway as we don't meet the criteria to join 4) You know nothing about finances. How much would an independent Scottish bank need to support a currency? How many billions? I'll give you a clue, it would be more than 10 and more than 20 5) How much would you contribute personally in taxes to an independent Scotland? Would you be a net contributor or would you be taking money from the government? | |||
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"Guy Verhofstadt is not an EU chief, he's an MEP, he has no power or authority to grant anything. Listening to him is the same as listening to Nigel Farage, and no one would consider Farage an "EU chief", they are just ordinary members of the EU parliament with no portfolio. Chiefs! You said, and you come up with that! Oh dear.
Say what you like Tickly but Guy is part of the EU and he doesnt think there will be much of a challenge to have an independent Scotland join the EU must fucking sting that lol
So Ticklybit what do you think about the RBS branches closing down and people losing their jobs and all that in the UK remember it was unionists telling people in Scotland that if you vote yes RBS jobs would be lost
So in the 3 years we have had
steel workers jobs at risk in the UK
Ship yards jobs at risk in the UK
HRMC jobs at risk in the UK
RBS jobs at risk in the UK
13 type26 frigates to be build on the Clyde now no longer being build on the Clyde
See the pattern yet all of those were suppose to be safe in the UK that was the promise from Better Together
No fucking wonder Ruth Davidson and David Mundell are begging the SNP to take an independence referendum off the table no amount of extra powers will save the UK this time lol
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"OP, I've answered all of your questions. Please can you answer a few of mine. (For the purpose of these questions, we will assume that Scotland votes for independence) 1. When do you think a referendum would actually be held, and how long would the official campaign be before hand? 2. How long do you think it would take to negotiate the terms of leaving the UK? This would of course include citizens rights, separation of the armed forces (inc. nuclear deterrent), splitting the national debt, the border, North Sea oil, pensions etc. 3. How long do you think it would take to agree in principle the joining of the EU. 4. How long do you think it would take to actually be ready to join the EU? The creation of a central bank would be required for example. Come on OP. Answer these. OP, you still haven't answered my questions OP, you talk about unionists beimg shit scared, but you can't even answer these 4 questions. 1. I have already answered. Must try harder hint look above 2. 18months to 2 years 3. in the event of Scotland voting yes to independence i would imagine very quickly as i said the EU have been very welcoming of an independent Scotland so no real hurdle in that 4. Again i would say quickly a year or 2 tops there you go answered no doubt you wont be happy but i have answered unlike some unionists on here that are shite feart to answer a question on if brexit is going to leave Scotland £30billion worse off would they accept it ? And..... no answer from them which in someways is an answer that yeah they actually would accept Scotland being £30billion worse of in a UK brexit just so they can keep the UK union together " So you don't think that Scotland will remain in the the EU? You agree that there will be some time when Scotland is both out of the UK and out of the EU? | |||
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"One question unionists in Scotland never seem to answer if Scotland was such a drain on Westminster's financially then why are they so keen to keep us on their leash even going so far as too fix the results of the last referendum, oh poor wee Scotland too weak and stupid to go it alone. Bollocks total and utter bollocks yes we have a minute control over some of the taxes raised in Scotland, and we get given a fraction of the rest back that Westminster collects to then make a budget with we do not control or receive every penny of tax money and other revenues that is collected from the Scottish people or the companies that operate here so that difference would make us better off straight away, A central bank we have one ready to go that already prints money and supported Scotland no matter what the outcome of the referendum was going to be and that's the Clydesdale bank, and since almost every other currency in the world is backed by nothing other than political hot air it wouldn't cost much too set up, The whole EU brexit issue is irrelevant since as usual we ain't got a choice we've just got too be dragged along for the ride even though we voted to stay " Every country in the world had richer parts that support the poorer parts. If you think this means that the UK should should get rid of Scotland, then please tell me which part of Scotland would be thrown out of a newly independent Scotland. | |||
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"I wonder how unionists in Scotland are feeling today getting told that apart of the UK can get a deal to remain in the single market and customs union in a way breaking up the UK Now remeber everyone the PM words were the UK will leave the EU as one United Kingdom today that clearly isnt the case So unionists that defend the UK union find themselves seeing a country in the UK get special treatment thats not united lol Oh well Scotland should get the same special deal if not then so be it Scotland will have an independence referendum I see the DUP arent happy either that the Tories are trying to break the UK lol Or another election is on the cards bring that on too as there is no fucking way i am gonna watch Scotland get shafted in all this I believe in the Union, but I have never said its fair and other countries get special treatment. Scotland has a parliament, NI and Wales have assemblies, England doesn't have either. Devolved powers are different in different parts of the UK. I'm not sure why you labour under the illusion that it's all equal, it's not, never has been. Who told you it was? If that's the deal that's been agreed, I can imagine that it will be pretty politically explosive. So you dont believe the UK union is a fair and equal union ? Good finally getting somewhere. Also is that not upto people living in England to put petitions and go to their Mp's to say they want an English parliament ? Stand up and fight for an English parliment if that what you want no point in moaning about it do something about it. Where have I moaned? I have just pointed out the differences. Who told you it was equal? I have never heard anyone say that. CLCC the way this sounds it makes it look like your moaning ''Scotland has a parliament, NI and Wales have assemblies, England doesn't have either'' So you dont think its fair that England does not have a parilament ? Therefore that = moaning so like i said do something about it the other countries in the UK cant always hold England hand you will have to stand up and actually challenge the government to give you what you want. Its good to see you say its not an equal union in the UK So CLCC why is it not an equal union in the UK ? You have just written a prime example of it not being equal. Why then ask why its not equal? Who told you it was equal? Right so CLCC your moaning because England doesnt have an English parilament ? In your opinion is that why the UK is not an equal union ? Can you just imagine how many unionists in Scotland are angry today seeing the UK ineffect breaking apart lol after doing all they could in 2014 to give it together lol I'm not moaning at all. I'm pointing out the differences. You're the one constantly moaning. " No you moaning lol So in your opinion CLCC why is the UK not an equal union ? lol | |||
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"All this makes a united Ireland and Scottish independence much more likely. This was always likely to be the case if thought through. Leaving the EU does not ‘get your so called country back’, in fact it increases the chances of braking the UK part Oh to be a unionist in Scotland today i would be pissed off oh well they can look forward to an independence referendum and they cant say they were well warned out this outcome Scotland has a mandate and should not be blocked I think its clear that today's news makes it a lot less likely that Scotland will be allowed an independence referendum. "Why is that ? So you think its ok to give a special deal to N.Ireland but just not Scotland ? Tell me this CLCC is it the will of the Scottish people that decides when a referendum takes place or you telling me the power lies with the UK government ? So it is ok now to go against the wishes of the Scottish people ? Remember those MP'S represent the people not the other way round lets get that straight Scotland has earn the right to another referendum get used it lol | |||
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"All this makes a united Ireland and Scottish independence much more likely. This was always likely to be the case if thought through. Leaving the EU does not ‘get your so called country back’, in fact it increases the chances of braking the UK part Oh to be a unionist in Scotland today i would be pissed off oh well they can look forward to an independence referendum and they cant say they were well warned out this outcome Scotland has a mandate and should not be blocked I think its clear that today's news makes it a lot less likely that Scotland will be allowed an independence referendum.
Why is that ? So you think its ok to give a special deal to N.Ireland but just not Scotland ?
Tell me this CLCC is it the will of the Scottish people that decides when a referendum takes place or you telling me the power lies with the UK government ? So it is ok now to go against the wishes of the Scottish people ? Remember those MP'S represent the people not the other way round lets get that straight
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"All this makes a united Ireland and Scottish independence much more likely. This was always likely to be the case if thought through. Leaving the EU does not ‘get your so called country back’, in fact it increases the chances of braking the UK part Oh to be a unionist in Scotland today i would be pissed off oh well they can look forward to an independence referendum and they cant say they were well warned out this outcome Scotland has a mandate and should not be blocked I think its clear that today's news makes it a lot less likely that Scotland will be allowed an independence referendum.
Why is that ? So you think its ok to give a special deal to N.Ireland but just not Scotland ?
Tell me this CLCC is it the will of the Scottish people that decides when a referendum takes place or you telling me the power lies with the UK government ? So it is ok now to go against the wishes of the Scottish people ? Remember those MP'S represent the people not the other way round lets get that straight
Scotland has earn the right to another referendum get used it lol
There was a referendum before right? Was that based on legislation in the Scottish Parliament, or Westminister? "So because there was an independence referendum in 2014 that means there cant be another one again ? Do you get what democracy means ? lol Its an not an event the people will decide when and if there will be another one correct ? Your doing it again answering questions with questions finding it hard to answer lol Now if you wouldnt mind answering my questions CLCC is it the will of the Scottish people that decides when a referendum takes place or you telling me the power lies with the UK government ? So it is ok now to go against the wishes of the Scottish people ? Remember those MP'S represent the people not the other way round lets get that straight | |||
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"The same body that wrote the legislation allowing the 2014 referendum, will be responsible for any future legislation for any future referendum. " Right so you are telling me its not the people of Scotland that will decide when and if another referendum takes place ? Wow just honestly wow listen to yourself thsat is madness what you are saying. So CLCC are you honestly saying its ok to go against the will of the Scottish people ? lol Out of interest do you think Scotland should get the same deal as N.Ireland ? If not what should happen in your opinion ? | |||
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"Kinky, you know full well that any Referendum has to have an Act of Parliament to enable it. That Act is a "reserved" power and has to go through Westminster. You can bluster as many times as you want; Scotland can ask as much as it wants, but it has no power to either demand one or action one." He knows that...so does Sturgeon  | |||
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"Kinky, you know full well that any Referendum has to have an Act of Parliament to enable it. That Act is a "reserved" power and has to go through Westminster. You can bluster as many times as you want; Scotland can ask as much as it wants, but it has no power to either demand one or action one." Ah right so what your saying its not upto the people of Scotland when and if a referendum takes place even if they vote for it it can be blocked going against the will of the Scottish people and you honestly want to believe the UK is a democracy your having a laugh Another thing there lies the fucking problem the Scottish people can vote for party to be elected on a manifesto policy to have a referendum but we have to ask another country's elected party to ask permission to have a referendum yeah and you can this a United Kindgom Its a fucking UK dictatorship and you all know it Do i really have to post what Ruth Davidson said in 2011 again now Scotland people has done everything of what Ruth said to earn an independence referendum block it would be very and i mean very unwise Hell there is nothing stopping Scotland having an advisory referendum just like the EU referendum was an advisory referendum but hell the UK think they can take the whole of the UK out of the EU on that advisory referendum so if its good enough for them to do that should be good enough for Scotland to leave the UK in the same way or is it different rules for the UK and keep moving the goalposts to save the Uk union ? Lol You may not like it but if NI are to get a special deal and Scotland dont get the same deal that Scotland has every damn right to hold an independence referendum we have a mandate to hold one when that final brexit deal is known | |||
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"Kinky, you know full well that any Referendum has to have an Act of Parliament to enable it. That Act is a "reserved" power and has to go through Westminster. You can bluster as many times as you want; Scotland can ask as much as it wants, but it has no power to either demand one or action one. He knows that...so does Sturgeon "You another one lol so its not upto the Scottish people when and if another one takes place ? My god so how does one manage to get a referendum ? Do you need people to vote for one ? Lmao | |||
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"Kinky, you know full well that any Referendum has to have an Act of Parliament to enable it. That Act is a "reserved" power and has to go through Westminster. You can bluster as many times as you want; Scotland can ask as much as it wants, but it has no power to either demand one or action one. Ah right so what your saying its not upto the people of Scotland when and if a referendum takes place even if they vote for it it can be blocked going against the will of the Scottish people and you honestly want to believe the UK is a democracy your having a laugh Another thing there lies the fucking problem the Scottish people can vote for party to be elected on a manifesto policy to have a referendum but we have to ask another country's elected party to ask permission to have a referendum yeah and you can this a United Kindgom Its a fucking UK dictatorship and you all know it Do i really have to post what Ruth Davidson said in 2011 again now Scotland people has done everything of what Ruth said to earn an independence referendum block it would be very and i mean very unwise Hell there is nothing stopping Scotland having an advisory referendum just like the EU referendum was an advisory referendum but hell the UK think they can take the whole of the UK out of the EU on that advisory referendum so if its good enough for them to do that should be good enough for Scotland to leave the UK in the same way or is it different rules for the UK and keep moving the goalposts to save the Uk union ? Lol You may not like it but if NI are to get a special deal and Scotland dont get the same deal that Scotland has every damn right to hold an independence referendum we have a mandate to hold one when that final brexit deal is known " You can spin your Nationalist rhetoric around as much as you want. What I posted is factually correct. I really don't give a flying fuck if you don't like it but only Westminster has the power to grant a Referendum. | |||
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"Kinky, you know full well that any Referendum has to have an Act of Parliament to enable it. That Act is a "reserved" power and has to go through Westminster. You can bluster as many times as you want; Scotland can ask as much as it wants, but it has no power to either demand one or action one. Ah right so what your saying its not upto the people of Scotland when and if a referendum takes place even if they vote for it it can be blocked going against the will of the Scottish people and you honestly want to believe the UK is a democracy your having a laugh Another thing there lies the fucking problem the Scottish people can vote for party to be elected on a manifesto policy to have a referendum but we have to ask another country's elected party to ask permission to have a referendum yeah and you can this a United Kindgom Its a fucking UK dictatorship and you all know it Do i really have to post what Ruth Davidson said in 2011 again now Scotland people has done everything of what Ruth said to earn an independence referendum block it would be very and i mean very unwise Hell there is nothing stopping Scotland having an advisory referendum just like the EU referendum was an advisory referendum but hell the UK think they can take the whole of the UK out of the EU on that advisory referendum so if its good enough for them to do that should be good enough for Scotland to leave the UK in the same way or is it different rules for the UK and keep moving the goalposts to save the Uk union ? Lol You may not like it but if NI are to get a special deal and Scotland dont get the same deal that Scotland has every damn right to hold an independence referendum we have a mandate to hold one when that final brexit deal is known You can spin your Nationalist rhetoric around as much as you want. What I posted is factually correct. I really don't give a flying fuck if you don't like it but only Westminster has the power to grant a Referendum. " Right in your opinion then do you believe the UK government should block an independence referendum ? Lets see if you can answer that lol | |||
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"Kinky, you know full well that any Referendum has to have an Act of Parliament to enable it. That Act is a "reserved" power and has to go through Westminster. You can bluster as many times as you want; Scotland can ask as much as it wants, but it has no power to either demand one or action one. Ah right so what your saying its not upto the people of Scotland when and if a referendum takes place even if they vote for it it can be blocked going against the will of the Scottish people and you honestly want to believe the UK is a democracy your having a laugh Another thing there lies the fucking problem the Scottish people can vote for party to be elected on a manifesto policy to have a referendum but we have to ask another country's elected party to ask permission to have a referendum yeah and you can this a United Kindgom Its a fucking UK dictatorship and you all know it Do i really have to post what Ruth Davidson said in 2011 again now Scotland people has done everything of what Ruth said to earn an independence referendum block it would be very and i mean very unwise Hell there is nothing stopping Scotland having an advisory referendum just like the EU referendum was an advisory referendum but hell the UK think they can take the whole of the UK out of the EU on that advisory referendum so if its good enough for them to do that should be good enough for Scotland to leave the UK in the same way or is it different rules for the UK and keep moving the goalposts to save the Uk union ? Lol You may not like it but if NI are to get a special deal and Scotland dont get the same deal that Scotland has every damn right to hold an independence referendum we have a mandate to hold one when that final brexit deal is known You can spin your Nationalist rhetoric around as much as you want. What I posted is factually correct. I really don't give a flying fuck if you don't like it but only Westminster has the power to grant a Referendum. Right in your opinion then do you believe the UK government should block an independence referendum ? Lets see if you can answer that lol" If the circumstances are right, as they were in 2014, then a referendum is in the best interests of all parties. However, referendums aren't "best of three" and a democratic result should be respected. | |||
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"All this makes a united Ireland and Scottish independence much more likely. This was always likely to be the case if thought through. Leaving the EU does not ‘get your so called country back’, in fact it increases the chances of braking the UK part Oh to be a unionist in Scotland today i would be pissed off oh well they can look forward to an independence referendum and they cant say they were well warned out this outcome Scotland has a mandate and should not be blocked I think its clear that today's news makes it a lot less likely that Scotland will be allowed an independence referendum.
Why is that ? So you think its ok to give a special deal to N.Ireland but just not Scotland ?
Tell me this CLCC is it the will of the Scottish people that decides when a referendum takes place or you telling me the power lies with the UK government ? So it is ok now to go against the wishes of the Scottish people ? Remember those MP'S represent the people not the other way round lets get that straight
Scotland has earn the right to another referendum get used it lol
There was a referendum before right? Was that based on legislation in the Scottish Parliament, or Westminister?
So because there was an independence referendum in 2014 that means there cant be another one again ? Do you get what democracy means ? lol Its an not an event the people will decide when and if there will be another one correct ?
Your doing it again answering questions with questions finding it hard to answer lol
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CLCC is it the will of the Scottish people that decides when a referendum takes place or you telling me the power lies with the UK government ? So it is ok now to go against the wishes of the Scottish people ? Remember those MP'S represent the people not the other way round lets get that straight"Sturgeon used to quate it was the will of the people then she lost her majority then with the greens it be came the will of the parliment! !! | |||
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"The same body that wrote the legislation allowing the 2014 referendum, will be responsible for any future legislation for any future referendum. Right so you are telling me its not the people of Scotland that will decide when and if another referendum takes place ? Wow just honestly wow listen to yourself thsat is madness what you are saying. So CLCC are you honestly saying its ok to go against the will of the Scottish people ? lol Out of interest do you think Scotland should get the same deal as N.Ireland ? If not what should happen in your opinion ? " Yes, I'm telling you its not the people of Scotland who decide on any referendum, or any law, it's only members of parliament. I'm glad we got that sorted. Prove me wrong if you want, tell me which law has been passed , or which referendum has been granted and recognised, that was organised by the people, and not parliament. | |||
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"Kinky, you know full well that any Referendum has to have an Act of Parliament to enable it. That Act is a "reserved" power and has to go through Westminster. You can bluster as many times as you want; Scotland can ask as much as it wants, but it has no power to either demand one or action one. Ah right so what your saying its not upto the people of Scotland when and if a referendum takes place even if they vote for it it can be blocked going against the will of the Scottish people and you honestly want to believe the UK is a democracy your having a laugh Another thing there lies the fucking problem the Scottish people can vote for party to be elected on a manifesto policy to have a referendum but we have to ask another country's elected party to ask permission to have a referendum yeah and you can this a United Kindgom Its a fucking UK dictatorship and you all know it Do i really have to post what Ruth Davidson said in 2011 again now Scotland people has done everything of what Ruth said to earn an independence referendum block it would be very and i mean very unwise Hell there is nothing stopping Scotland having an advisory referendum just like the EU referendum was an advisory referendum but hell the UK think they can take the whole of the UK out of the EU on that advisory referendum so if its good enough for them to do that should be good enough for Scotland to leave the UK in the same way or is it different rules for the UK and keep moving the goalposts to save the Uk union ? Lol You may not like it but if NI are to get a special deal and Scotland dont get the same deal that Scotland has every damn right to hold an independence referendum we have a mandate to hold one when that final brexit deal is known You can spin your Nationalist rhetoric around as much as you want. What I posted is factually correct. I really don't give a flying fuck if you don't like it but only Westminster has the power to grant a Referendum. Right in your opinion then do you believe the UK government should block an independence referendum ? Lets see if you can answer that lol If the circumstances are right, as they were in 2014, then a referendum is in the best interests of all parties. However, referendums aren't "best of three" and a democratic result should be respected." So tell me how has the 2014 independence referendum not been respected in what way ? Is Scotland indpendent right now ? Again democracy is not an event things change and things may need looked at again Blame the UK government for fucking things up this bad that an independence referendum is still being talked about lol | |||
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"The same body that wrote the legislation allowing the 2014 referendum, will be responsible for any future legislation for any future referendum. Right so you are telling me its not the people of Scotland that will decide when and if another referendum takes place ? Wow just honestly wow listen to yourself thsat is madness what you are saying. So CLCC are you honestly saying its ok to go against the will of the Scottish people ? lol Out of interest do you think Scotland should get the same deal as N.Ireland ? If not what should happen in your opinion ? Yes, I'm telling you its not the people of Scotland who decide on any referendum, or any law, it's only members of parliament. I'm glad we got that sorted. Prove me wrong if you want, tell me which law has been passed , or which referendum has been granted and recognised, that was organised by the people, and not parliament. " Oh god some people have lost the plot today it would appear So CLCC are you now your saying its not upto the people of Scotland to decide when and if a referendum takes place. Simple question how does a referendum take place ? It needs people's voting for it doesnt it ? Lol The double standards coming from you CLCC is unreal here you were last night demanding me to answer your question last night and here you are missing / not answering my questions tut tut Mind answering this ...Out of interest do you think Scotland should get the same deal as N.Ireland ? If not what should happen in your opinion ? | |||
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"The same body that wrote the legislation allowing the 2014 referendum, will be responsible for any future legislation for any future referendum. Right so you are telling me its not the people of Scotland that will decide when and if another referendum takes place ? Wow just honestly wow listen to yourself thsat is madness what you are saying. So CLCC are you honestly saying its ok to go against the will of the Scottish people ? lol Out of interest do you think Scotland should get the same deal as N.Ireland ? If not what should happen in your opinion ? Yes, I'm telling you its not the people of Scotland who decide on any referendum, or any law, it's only members of parliament. I'm glad we got that sorted. Prove me wrong if you want, tell me which law has been passed , or which referendum has been granted and recognised, that was organised by the people, and not parliament. Oh god some people have lost the plot today it would appear So CLCC are you now your saying its not upto the people of Scotland to decide when and if a referendum takes place. Simple question how does a referendum take place ? It needs people's voting for it doesnt it ? Lol The double standards coming from you CLCC is unreal here you were last night demanding me to answer your question last night and here you are missing / not answering my questions tut tut Mind answering this ...Out of interest do you think Scotland should get the same deal as N.Ireland ? If not what should happen in your opinion ? " I am answering your questions! No, it's not up to the people of Scotland to decide when a referendum is held. How many times do you need to be told that? I must have answered that question at least 3 times in this thread alone. Do I think Scotland should get the same deal as NI? Sure, devolve the Scottish Parliament and everything can be run from Westminster. That's the deal you're talking about, right? | |||
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"The same body that wrote the legislation allowing the 2014 referendum, will be responsible for any future legislation for any future referendum. Right so you are telling me its not the people of Scotland that will decide when and if another referendum takes place ? Wow just honestly wow listen to yourself thsat is madness what you are saying. So CLCC are you honestly saying its ok to go against the will of the Scottish people ? lol Out of interest do you think Scotland should get the same deal as N.Ireland ? If not what should happen in your opinion ? Yes, I'm telling you its not the people of Scotland who decide on any referendum, or any law, it's only members of parliament. I'm glad we got that sorted. Prove me wrong if you want, tell me which law has been passed , or which referendum has been granted and recognised, that was organised by the people, and not parliament. Oh god some people have lost the plot today it would appear So CLCC are you now your saying its not upto the people of Scotland to decide when and if a referendum takes place. Simple question how does a referendum take place ? It needs people's voting for it doesnt it ? Lol The double standards coming from you CLCC is unreal here you were last night demanding me to answer your question last night and here you are missing / not answering my questions tut tut Mind answering this ...Out of interest do you think Scotland should get the same deal as N.Ireland ? If not what should happen in your opinion ? I am answering your questions! No, it's not up to the people of Scotland to decide when a referendum is held. How many times do you need to be told that? I must have answered that question at least 3 times in this thread alone. Do I think Scotland should get the same deal as NI? Sure, devolve the Scottish Parliament and everything can be run from Westminster. That's the deal you're talking about, right? " Ok CLCC how does one get a referendum ? Is it the people that vote to have one ? So you think Scotland should get the same deal as N.Ireland so what happens if Scotland doesnt get the same deal then what in your opinion ? You really didnt just say that so now your happy to see Holyrood be devolved and for power to go back to Westminster ? So your happy for the Tories to run Scotland affairs then ? I call that sick that you would love to force the Tories into power in Scotland when we the people of Scotland dont vote for sick bastards like the Tories your true colours are showing now lol So its like your saying CLCC if England have to suffer Tories and brexit then Scotland must suffer it too lol | |||
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"The same body that wrote the legislation allowing the 2014 referendum, will be responsible for any future legislation for any future referendum. Right so you are telling me its not the people of Scotland that will decide when and if another referendum takes place ? Wow just honestly wow listen to yourself thsat is madness what you are saying. So CLCC are you honestly saying its ok to go against the will of the Scottish people ? lol Out of interest do you think Scotland should get the same deal as N.Ireland ? If not what should happen in your opinion ? Yes, I'm telling you its not the people of Scotland who decide on any referendum, or any law, it's only members of parliament. I'm glad we got that sorted. Prove me wrong if you want, tell me which law has been passed , or which referendum has been granted and recognised, that was organised by the people, and not parliament. Oh god some people have lost the plot today it would appear So CLCC are you now your saying its not upto the people of Scotland to decide when and if a referendum takes place. Simple question how does a referendum take place ? It needs people's voting for it doesnt it ? Lol The double standards coming from you CLCC is unreal here you were last night demanding me to answer your question last night and here you are missing / not answering my questions tut tut Mind answering this ...Out of interest do you think Scotland should get the same deal as N.Ireland ? If not what should happen in your opinion ? I am answering your questions! No, it's not up to the people of Scotland to decide when a referendum is held. How many times do you need to be told that? I must have answered that question at least 3 times in this thread alone. Do I think Scotland should get the same deal as NI? Sure, devolve the Scottish Parliament and everything can be run from Westminster. That's the deal you're talking about, right? Ok CLCC how does one get a referendum ? Is it the people that vote to have one ? So you think Scotland should get the same deal as N.Ireland so what happens if Scotland doesnt get the same deal then what in your opinion ? You really didnt just say that so now your happy to see Holyrood be devolved and for power to go back to Westminster ? So your happy for the Tories to run Scotland affairs then ? I call that sick that you would love to force the Tories into power in Scotland when we the people of Scotland dont vote for sick bastards like the Tories your true colours are showing now lol So its like your saying CLCC if England have to suffer Tories and brexit then Scotland must suffer it too lol " Parliament has to vote for a referendum in order to get one. The end of devolved government is the only deal NI currently has that Scotland doesn't. You were the one asking for it. | |||
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"The same body that wrote the legislation allowing the 2014 referendum, will be responsible for any future legislation for any future referendum. Right so you are telling me its not the people of Scotland that will decide when and if another referendum takes place ? Wow just honestly wow listen to yourself thsat is madness what you are saying. So CLCC are you honestly saying its ok to go against the will of the Scottish people ? lol Out of interest do you think Scotland should get the same deal as N.Ireland ? If not what should happen in your opinion ? Yes, I'm telling you its not the people of Scotland who decide on any referendum, or any law, it's only members of parliament. I'm glad we got that sorted. Prove me wrong if you want, tell me which law has been passed , or which referendum has been granted and recognised, that was organised by the people, and not parliament. Oh god some people have lost the plot today it would appear So CLCC are you now your saying its not upto the people of Scotland to decide when and if a referendum takes place. Simple question how does a referendum take place ? It needs people's voting for it doesnt it ? Lol The double standards coming from you CLCC is unreal here you were last night demanding me to answer your question last night and here you are missing / not answering my questions tut tut Mind answering this ...Out of interest do you think Scotland should get the same deal as N.Ireland ? If not what should happen in your opinion ? I am answering your questions! No, it's not up to the people of Scotland to decide when a referendum is held. How many times do you need to be told that? I must have answered that question at least 3 times in this thread alone. Do I think Scotland should get the same deal as NI? Sure, devolve the Scottish Parliament and everything can be run from Westminster. That's the deal you're talking about, right? Ok CLCC how does one get a referendum ? Is it the people that vote to have one ? So you think Scotland should get the same deal as N.Ireland so what happens if Scotland doesnt get the same deal then what in your opinion ? You really didnt just say that so now your happy to see Holyrood be devolved and for power to go back to Westminster ? So your happy for the Tories to run Scotland affairs then ? I call that sick that you would love to force the Tories into power in Scotland when we the people of Scotland dont vote for sick bastards like the Tories your true colours are showing now lol So its like your saying CLCC if England have to suffer Tories and brexit then Scotland must suffer it too lol Parliament has to vote for a referendum in order to get one. The end of devolved government is the only deal NI currently has that Scotland doesn't. You were the one asking for it." You really have double standards if you gonna demand people answer your questions then take some of your own advise and start answer other peoples lol I didnt see you answer these ... so are you now happy to see Holyrood be devolved and for power to go back to Westminster ? So your happy for the Tories to run Scotland affairs then ? | |||
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"The same body that wrote the legislation allowing the 2014 referendum, will be responsible for any future legislation for any future referendum. Right so you are telling me its not the people of Scotland that will decide when and if another referendum takes place ? Wow just honestly wow listen to yourself thsat is madness what you are saying. So CLCC are you honestly saying its ok to go against the will of the Scottish people ? lol Out of interest do you think Scotland should get the same deal as N.Ireland ? If not what should happen in your opinion ? Yes, I'm telling you its not the people of Scotland who decide on any referendum, or any law, it's only members of parliament. I'm glad we got that sorted. Prove me wrong if you want, tell me which law has been passed , or which referendum has been granted and recognised, that was organised by the people, and not parliament. Oh god some people have lost the plot today it would appear So CLCC are you now your saying its not upto the people of Scotland to decide when and if a referendum takes place. Simple question how does a referendum take place ? It needs people's voting for it doesnt it ? Lol The double standards coming from you CLCC is unreal here you were last night demanding me to answer your question last night and here you are missing / not answering my questions tut tut Mind answering this ...Out of interest do you think Scotland should get the same deal as N.Ireland ? If not what should happen in your opinion ? I am answering your questions! No, it's not up to the people of Scotland to decide when a referendum is held. How many times do you need to be told that? I must have answered that question at least 3 times in this thread alone. Do I think Scotland should get the same deal as NI? Sure, devolve the Scottish Parliament and everything can be run from Westminster. That's the deal you're talking about, right? Ok CLCC how does one get a referendum ? Is it the people that vote to have one ? So you think Scotland should get the same deal as N.Ireland so what happens if Scotland doesnt get the same deal then what in your opinion ? You really didnt just say that so now your happy to see Holyrood be devolved and for power to go back to Westminster ? So your happy for the Tories to run Scotland affairs then ? I call that sick that you would love to force the Tories into power in Scotland when we the people of Scotland dont vote for sick bastards like the Tories your true colours are showing now lol So its like your saying CLCC if England have to suffer Tories and brexit then Scotland must suffer it too lol Parliament has to vote for a referendum in order to get one. The end of devolved government is the only deal NI currently has that Scotland doesn't. You were the one asking for it. You really have double standards if you gonna demand people answer your questions then take some of your own advise and start answer other peoples lol I didnt see you answer these ... so are you now happy to see Holyrood be devolved and for power to go back to Westminster ? So your happy for the Tories to run Scotland affairs then ? That's not happening kinky. It was a joke, a satirical commentary about NI based upon your assertion that Scotland get the same." Ok So how does one get a referendum ? Do people have to vote for a referendum ? | |||
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"The same body that wrote the legislation allowing the 2014 referendum, will be responsible for any future legislation for any future referendum. Right so you are telling me its not the people of Scotland that will decide when and if another referendum takes place ? Wow just honestly wow listen to yourself thsat is madness what you are saying. So CLCC are you honestly saying its ok to go against the will of the Scottish people ? lol Out of interest do you think Scotland should get the same deal as N.Ireland ? If not what should happen in your opinion ? Yes, I'm telling you its not the people of Scotland who decide on any referendum, or any law, it's only members of parliament. I'm glad we got that sorted. Prove me wrong if you want, tell me which law has been passed , or which referendum has been granted and recognised, that was organised by the people, and not parliament. Oh god some people have lost the plot today it would appear So CLCC are you now your saying its not upto the people of Scotland to decide when and if a referendum takes place. Simple question how does a referendum take place ? It needs people's voting for it doesnt it ? Lol The double standards coming from you CLCC is unreal here you were last night demanding me to answer your question last night and here you are missing / not answering my questions tut tut Mind answering this ...Out of interest do you think Scotland should get the same deal as N.Ireland ? If not what should happen in your opinion ? I am answering your questions! No, it's not up to the people of Scotland to decide when a referendum is held. How many times do you need to be told that? I must have answered that question at least 3 times in this thread alone. Do I think Scotland should get the same deal as NI? Sure, devolve the Scottish Parliament and everything can be run from Westminster. That's the deal you're talking about, right? Ok CLCC how does one get a referendum ? Is it the people that vote to have one ? So you think Scotland should get the same deal as N.Ireland so what happens if Scotland doesnt get the same deal then what in your opinion ? You really didnt just say that so now your happy to see Holyrood be devolved and for power to go back to Westminster ? So your happy for the Tories to run Scotland affairs then ? I call that sick that you would love to force the Tories into power in Scotland when we the people of Scotland dont vote for sick bastards like the Tories your true colours are showing now lol So its like your saying CLCC if England have to suffer Tories and brexit then Scotland must suffer it too lol Parliament has to vote for a referendum in order to get one. The end of devolved government is the only deal NI currently has that Scotland doesn't. You were the one asking for it. You really have double standards if you gonna demand people answer your questions then take some of your own advise and start answer other peoples lol I didnt see you answer these ... so are you now happy to see Holyrood be devolved and for power to go back to Westminster ? So your happy for the Tories to run Scotland affairs then ? That's not happening kinky. It was a joke, a satirical commentary about NI based upon your assertion that Scotland get the same. Ok So how does one get a referendum ? Do people have to vote for a referendum ? Parliament has to vote for a referendum. Lmao Right so who tells parilament that they want a referendum ? Is it the people that decide if and when they want a referendum ? You know it is A party has to put a referendum in a manifesto correct ? And if elected by the people then that party has a mandate to deliver on that manifesto/ policy correct ? So its the people that decide when and if a referendum will take place its upto the elected party to deliver on the will of the peopl correct ? Oh god some people really dont have a clue either that or happy to spin lies lol Unionists is Scotland must be really pissed off today as unionists were saying ''We cannot allow different parts of the UK to be more favourably treated than others'' Its all one United Kingdom remember well suppose to be lol but clearly its not " No, it's nothing to do with the people. It's parliament. Like it or not, parliament is sovereign, not the people. Like I said, prove me wrong by naming a single law that the people have passed without parliament. | |||
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"The same body that wrote the legislation allowing the 2014 referendum, will be responsible for any future legislation for any future referendum. Right so you are telling me its not the people of Scotland that will decide when and if another referendum takes place ? Wow just honestly wow listen to yourself thsat is madness what you are saying. So CLCC are you honestly saying its ok to go against the will of the Scottish people ? lol Out of interest do you think Scotland should get the same deal as N.Ireland ? If not what should happen in your opinion ? Yes, I'm telling you its not the people of Scotland who decide on any referendum, or any law, it's only members of parliament. I'm glad we got that sorted. Prove me wrong if you want, tell me which law has been passed , or which referendum has been granted and recognised, that was organised by the people, and not parliament. Oh god some people have lost the plot today it would appear So CLCC are you now your saying its not upto the people of Scotland to decide when and if a referendum takes place. Simple question how does a referendum take place ? It needs people's voting for it doesnt it ? Lol The double standards coming from you CLCC is unreal here you were last night demanding me to answer your question last night and here you are missing / not answering my questions tut tut Mind answering this ...Out of interest do you think Scotland should get the same deal as N.Ireland ? If not what should happen in your opinion ? I am answering your questions! No, it's not up to the people of Scotland to decide when a referendum is held. How many times do you need to be told that? I must have answered that question at least 3 times in this thread alone. Do I think Scotland should get the same deal as NI? Sure, devolve the Scottish Parliament and everything can be run from Westminster. That's the deal you're talking about, right? Ok CLCC how does one get a referendum ? Is it the people that vote to have one ? So you think Scotland should get the same deal as N.Ireland so what happens if Scotland doesnt get the same deal then what in your opinion ? You really didnt just say that so now your happy to see Holyrood be devolved and for power to go back to Westminster ? So your happy for the Tories to run Scotland affairs then ? I call that sick that you would love to force the Tories into power in Scotland when we the people of Scotland dont vote for sick bastards like the Tories your true colours are showing now lol So its like your saying CLCC if England have to suffer Tories and brexit then Scotland must suffer it too lol Parliament has to vote for a referendum in order to get one. The end of devolved government is the only deal NI currently has that Scotland doesn't. You were the one asking for it. You really have double standards if you gonna demand people answer your questions then take some of your own advise and start answer other peoples lol I didnt see you answer these ... so are you now happy to see Holyrood be devolved and for power to go back to Westminster ? So your happy for the Tories to run Scotland affairs then ? That's not happening kinky. It was a joke, a satirical commentary about NI based upon your assertion that Scotland get the same. Ok So how does one get a referendum ? Do people have to vote for a referendum ? Parliament has to vote for a referendum. Lmao Right so who tells parilament that they want a referendum ? Is it the people that decide if and when they want a referendum ? You know it is A party has to put a referendum in a manifesto correct ? And if elected by the people then that party has a mandate to deliver on that manifesto/ policy correct ? So its the people that decide when and if a referendum will take place its upto the elected party to deliver on the will of the peopl correct ? Oh god some people really dont have a clue either that or happy to spin lies lol Unionists is Scotland must be really pissed off today as unionists were saying ''We cannot allow different parts of the UK to be more favourably treated than others'' Its all one United Kingdom remember well suppose to be lol but clearly its not No, it's nothing to do with the people. It's parliament. Like it or not, parliament is sovereign, not the people. Like I said, prove me wrong by naming a single law that the people have passed without parliament. " Oh my god lol Listen to what your saying So your claiming its not the people that vote to elected a party into government that has a manifesto policy to have a referendum ? | |||
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"The same body that wrote the legislation allowing the 2014 referendum, will be responsible for any future legislation for any future referendum. Right so you are telling me its not the people of Scotland that will decide when and if another referendum takes place ? Wow just honestly wow listen to yourself thsat is madness what you are saying. So CLCC are you honestly saying its ok to go against the will of the Scottish people ? lol Out of interest do you think Scotland should get the same deal as N.Ireland ? If not what should happen in your opinion ? Yes, I'm telling you its not the people of Scotland who decide on any referendum, or any law, it's only members of parliament. I'm glad we got that sorted. Prove me wrong if you want, tell me which law has been passed , or which referendum has been granted and recognised, that was organised by the people, and not parliament. Oh god some people have lost the plot today it would appear So CLCC are you now your saying its not upto the people of Scotland to decide when and if a referendum takes place. Simple question how does a referendum take place ? It needs people's voting for it doesnt it ? Lol The double standards coming from you CLCC is unreal here you were last night demanding me to answer your question last night and here you are missing / not answering my questions tut tut Mind answering this ...Out of interest do you think Scotland should get the same deal as N.Ireland ? If not what should happen in your opinion ? I am answering your questions! No, it's not up to the people of Scotland to decide when a referendum is held. How many times do you need to be told that? I must have answered that question at least 3 times in this thread alone. Do I think Scotland should get the same deal as NI? Sure, devolve the Scottish Parliament and everything can be run from Westminster. That's the deal you're talking about, right? Ok CLCC how does one get a referendum ? Is it the people that vote to have one ? So you think Scotland should get the same deal as N.Ireland so what happens if Scotland doesnt get the same deal then what in your opinion ? You really didnt just say that so now your happy to see Holyrood be devolved and for power to go back to Westminster ? So your happy for the Tories to run Scotland affairs then ? I call that sick that you would love to force the Tories into power in Scotland when we the people of Scotland dont vote for sick bastards like the Tories your true colours are showing now lol So its like your saying CLCC if England have to suffer Tories and brexit then Scotland must suffer it too lol Parliament has to vote for a referendum in order to get one. The end of devolved government is the only deal NI currently has that Scotland doesn't. You were the one asking for it. You really have double standards if you gonna demand people answer your questions then take some of your own advise and start answer other peoples lol I didnt see you answer these ... so are you now happy to see Holyrood be devolved and for power to go back to Westminster ? So your happy for the Tories to run Scotland affairs then ? That's not happening kinky. It was a joke, a satirical commentary about NI based upon your assertion that Scotland get the same. Ok So how does one get a referendum ? Do people have to vote for a referendum ? Parliament has to vote for a referendum. Lmao Right so who tells parilament that they want a referendum ? Is it the people that decide if and when they want a referendum ? You know it is A party has to put a referendum in a manifesto correct ? And if elected by the people then that party has a mandate to deliver on that manifesto/ policy correct ? So its the people that decide when and if a referendum will take place its upto the elected party to deliver on the will of the peopl correct ? Oh god some people really dont have a clue either that or happy to spin lies lol Unionists is Scotland must be really pissed off today as unionists were saying ''We cannot allow different parts of the UK to be more favourably treated than others'' Its all one United Kingdom remember well suppose to be lol but clearly its not No, it's nothing to do with the people. It's parliament. Like it or not, parliament is sovereign, not the people. Like I said, prove me wrong by naming a single law that the people have passed without parliament. Oh my god lol Listen to what your saying So your claiming its not the people that vote to elected a party into government that has a manifesto policy to have a referendum ? " People vote on who their local MP is, that's it. | |||
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"The same body that wrote the legislation allowing the 2014 referendum, will be responsible for any future legislation for any future referendum. Right so you are telling me its not the people of Scotland that will decide when and if another referendum takes place ? Wow just honestly wow listen to yourself thsat is madness what you are saying. So CLCC are you honestly saying its ok to go against the will of the Scottish people ? lol Out of interest do you think Scotland should get the same deal as N.Ireland ? If not what should happen in your opinion ? Yes, I'm telling you its not the people of Scotland who decide on any referendum, or any law, it's only members of parliament. I'm glad we got that sorted. Prove me wrong if you want, tell me which law has been passed , or which referendum has been granted and recognised, that was organised by the people, and not parliament. Oh god some people have lost the plot today it would appear So CLCC are you now your saying its not upto the people of Scotland to decide when and if a referendum takes place. Simple question how does a referendum take place ? It needs people's voting for it doesnt it ? Lol The double standards coming from you CLCC is unreal here you were last night demanding me to answer your question last night and here you are missing / not answering my questions tut tut Mind answering this ...Out of interest do you think Scotland should get the same deal as N.Ireland ? If not what should happen in your opinion ? I am answering your questions! No, it's not up to the people of Scotland to decide when a referendum is held. How many times do you need to be told that? I must have answered that question at least 3 times in this thread alone. Do I think Scotland should get the same deal as NI? Sure, devolve the Scottish Parliament and everything can be run from Westminster. That's the deal you're talking about, right? Ok CLCC how does one get a referendum ? Is it the people that vote to have one ? So you think Scotland should get the same deal as N.Ireland so what happens if Scotland doesnt get the same deal then what in your opinion ? You really didnt just say that so now your happy to see Holyrood be devolved and for power to go back to Westminster ? So your happy for the Tories to run Scotland affairs then ? I call that sick that you would love to force the Tories into power in Scotland when we the people of Scotland dont vote for sick bastards like the Tories your true colours are showing now lol So its like your saying CLCC if England have to suffer Tories and brexit then Scotland must suffer it too lol Parliament has to vote for a referendum in order to get one. The end of devolved government is the only deal NI currently has that Scotland doesn't. You were the one asking for it. You really have double standards if you gonna demand people answer your questions then take some of your own advise and start answer other peoples lol I didnt see you answer these ... so are you now happy to see Holyrood be devolved and for power to go back to Westminster ? So your happy for the Tories to run Scotland affairs then ? That's not happening kinky. It was a joke, a satirical commentary about NI based upon your assertion that Scotland get the same. Ok So how does one get a referendum ? Do people have to vote for a referendum ? Parliament has to vote for a referendum. Lmao Right so who tells parilament that they want a referendum ? Is it the people that decide if and when they want a referendum ? You know it is A party has to put a referendum in a manifesto correct ? And if elected by the people then that party has a mandate to deliver on that manifesto/ policy correct ? So its the people that decide when and if a referendum will take place its upto the elected party to deliver on the will of the peopl correct ? Oh god some people really dont have a clue either that or happy to spin lies lol Unionists is Scotland must be really pissed off today as unionists were saying ''We cannot allow different parts of the UK to be more favourably treated than others'' Its all one United Kingdom remember well suppose to be lol but clearly its not No, it's nothing to do with the people. It's parliament. Like it or not, parliament is sovereign, not the people. Like I said, prove me wrong by naming a single law that the people have passed without parliament. Oh my god lol Listen to what your saying So your claiming its not the people that vote to elected a party into government that has a manifesto policy to have a referendum ? People vote on who their local MP is, that's it. " Wow your lack of knowledge lmao So people dont vote for a parties manifesto policies now ? Lol So CLCC did you vote for a party manifesto or just simply a male or female just cause you liked the name ? Lol | |||
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"The same body that wrote the legislation allowing the 2014 referendum, will be responsible for any future legislation for any future referendum. Right so you are telling me its not the people of Scotland that will decide when and if another referendum takes place ? Wow just honestly wow listen to yourself thsat is madness what you are saying. So CLCC are you honestly saying its ok to go against the will of the Scottish people ? lol Out of interest do you think Scotland should get the same deal as N.Ireland ? If not what should happen in your opinion ? Yes, I'm telling you its not the people of Scotland who decide on any referendum, or any law, it's only members of parliament. I'm glad we got that sorted. Prove me wrong if you want, tell me which law has been passed , or which referendum has been granted and recognised, that was organised by the people, and not parliament. Oh god some people have lost the plot today it would appear So CLCC are you now your saying its not upto the people of Scotland to decide when and if a referendum takes place. Simple question how does a referendum take place ? It needs people's voting for it doesnt it ? Lol The double standards coming from you CLCC is unreal here you were last night demanding me to answer your question last night and here you are missing / not answering my questions tut tut Mind answering this ...Out of interest do you think Scotland should get the same deal as N.Ireland ? If not what should happen in your opinion ? I am answering your questions! No, it's not up to the people of Scotland to decide when a referendum is held. How many times do you need to be told that? I must have answered that question at least 3 times in this thread alone. Do I think Scotland should get the same deal as NI? Sure, devolve the Scottish Parliament and everything can be run from Westminster. That's the deal you're talking about, right? Ok CLCC how does one get a referendum ? Is it the people that vote to have one ? So you think Scotland should get the same deal as N.Ireland so what happens if Scotland doesnt get the same deal then what in your opinion ? You really didnt just say that so now your happy to see Holyrood be devolved and for power to go back to Westminster ? So your happy for the Tories to run Scotland affairs then ? I call that sick that you would love to force the Tories into power in Scotland when we the people of Scotland dont vote for sick bastards like the Tories your true colours are showing now lol So its like your saying CLCC if England have to suffer Tories and brexit then Scotland must suffer it too lol Parliament has to vote for a referendum in order to get one. The end of devolved government is the only deal NI currently has that Scotland doesn't. You were the one asking for it. You really have double standards if you gonna demand people answer your questions then take some of your own advise and start answer other peoples lol I didnt see you answer these ... so are you now happy to see Holyrood be devolved and for power to go back to Westminster ? So your happy for the Tories to run Scotland affairs then ? That's not happening kinky. It was a joke, a satirical commentary about NI based upon your assertion that Scotland get the same. Ok So how does one get a referendum ? Do people have to vote for a referendum ? Parliament has to vote for a referendum. Lmao Right so who tells parilament that they want a referendum ? Is it the people that decide if and when they want a referendum ? You know it is A party has to put a referendum in a manifesto correct ? And if elected by the people then that party has a mandate to deliver on that manifesto/ policy correct ? So its the people that decide when and if a referendum will take place its upto the elected party to deliver on the will of the peopl correct ? Oh god some people really dont have a clue either that or happy to spin lies lol Unionists is Scotland must be really pissed off today as unionists were saying ''We cannot allow different parts of the UK to be more favourably treated than others'' Its all one United Kingdom remember well suppose to be lol but clearly its not No, it's nothing to do with the people. It's parliament. Like it or not, parliament is sovereign, not the people. Like I said, prove me wrong by naming a single law that the people have passed without parliament. Oh my god lol Listen to what your saying So your claiming its not the people that vote to elected a party into government that has a manifesto policy to have a referendum ? People vote on who their local MP is, that's it. Wow your lack of knowledge lmao So people dont vote for a parties manifesto policies now ? Lol So CLCC did you vote for a party manifesto or just simply a male or female just cause you liked the name ? Lol" No, you vote for a named person. You can't just vote for "a man" or "a woman". You are well truely clueless about how any of this works. | |||
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"The same body that wrote the legislation allowing the 2014 referendum, will be responsible for any future legislation for any future referendum. Right so you are telling me its not the people of Scotland that will decide when and if another referendum takes place ? Wow just honestly wow listen to yourself thsat is madness what you are saying. So CLCC are you honestly saying its ok to go against the will of the Scottish people ? lol Out of interest do you think Scotland should get the same deal as N.Ireland ? If not what should happen in your opinion ? Yes, I'm telling you its not the people of Scotland who decide on any referendum, or any law, it's only members of parliament. I'm glad we got that sorted. Prove me wrong if you want, tell me which law has been passed , or which referendum has been granted and recognised, that was organised by the people, and not parliament. Oh god some people have lost the plot today it would appear So CLCC are you now your saying its not upto the people of Scotland to decide when and if a referendum takes place. Simple question how does a referendum take place ? It needs people's voting for it doesnt it ? Lol The double standards coming from you CLCC is unreal here you were last night demanding me to answer your question last night and here you are missing / not answering my questions tut tut Mind answering this ...Out of interest do you think Scotland should get the same deal as N.Ireland ? If not what should happen in your opinion ? I am answering your questions! No, it's not up to the people of Scotland to decide when a referendum is held. How many times do you need to be told that? I must have answered that question at least 3 times in this thread alone. Do I think Scotland should get the same deal as NI? Sure, devolve the Scottish Parliament and everything can be run from Westminster. That's the deal you're talking about, right? Ok CLCC how does one get a referendum ? Is it the people that vote to have one ? So you think Scotland should get the same deal as N.Ireland so what happens if Scotland doesnt get the same deal then what in your opinion ? You really didnt just say that so now your happy to see Holyrood be devolved and for power to go back to Westminster ? So your happy for the Tories to run Scotland affairs then ? I call that sick that you would love to force the Tories into power in Scotland when we the people of Scotland dont vote for sick bastards like the Tories your true colours are showing now lol So its like your saying CLCC if England have to suffer Tories and brexit then Scotland must suffer it too lol Parliament has to vote for a referendum in order to get one. The end of devolved government is the only deal NI currently has that Scotland doesn't. You were the one asking for it. You really have double standards if you gonna demand people answer your questions then take some of your own advise and start answer other peoples lol I didnt see you answer these ... so are you now happy to see Holyrood be devolved and for power to go back to Westminster ? So your happy for the Tories to run Scotland affairs then ? That's not happening kinky. It was a joke, a satirical commentary about NI based upon your assertion that Scotland get the same. Ok So how does one get a referendum ? Do people have to vote for a referendum ? Parliament has to vote for a referendum. Lmao Right so who tells parilament that they want a referendum ? Is it the people that decide if and when they want a referendum ? You know it is A party has to put a referendum in a manifesto correct ? And if elected by the people then that party has a mandate to deliver on that manifesto/ policy correct ? So its the people that decide when and if a referendum will take place its upto the elected party to deliver on the will of the peopl correct ? Oh god some people really dont have a clue either that or happy to spin lies lol Unionists is Scotland must be really pissed off today as unionists were saying ''We cannot allow different parts of the UK to be more favourably treated than others'' Its all one United Kingdom remember well suppose to be lol but clearly its not No, it's nothing to do with the people. It's parliament. Like it or not, parliament is sovereign, not the people. Like I said, prove me wrong by naming a single law that the people have passed without parliament. Oh my god lol Listen to what your saying So your claiming its not the people that vote to elected a party into government that has a manifesto policy to have a referendum ? People vote on who their local MP is, that's it. Wow your lack of knowledge lmao So people dont vote for a parties manifesto policies now ? Lol So CLCC did you vote for a party manifesto or just simply a male or female just cause you liked the name ? Lol No, you vote for a named person. You can't just vote for "a man" or "a woman". You are well truely clueless about how any of this works." Pot and kettle lol | |||
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"The same body that wrote the legislation allowing the 2014 referendum, will be responsible for any future legislation for any future referendum. Right so you are telling me its not the people of Scotland that will decide when and if another referendum takes place ? Wow just honestly wow listen to yourself thsat is madness what you are saying. So CLCC are you honestly saying its ok to go against the will of the Scottish people ? lol Out of interest do you think Scotland should get the same deal as N.Ireland ? If not what should happen in your opinion ? Yes, I'm telling you its not the people of Scotland who decide on any referendum, or any law, it's only members of parliament. I'm glad we got that sorted. Prove me wrong if you want, tell me which law has been passed , or which referendum has been granted and recognised, that was organised by the people, and not parliament. Oh god some people have lost the plot today it would appear So CLCC are you now your saying its not upto the people of Scotland to decide when and if a referendum takes place. Simple question how does a referendum take place ? It needs people's voting for it doesnt it ? Lol The double standards coming from you CLCC is unreal here you were last night demanding me to answer your question last night and here you are missing / not answering my questions tut tut Mind answering this ...Out of interest do you think Scotland should get the same deal as N.Ireland ? If not what should happen in your opinion ? I am answering your questions! No, it's not up to the people of Scotland to decide when a referendum is held. How many times do you need to be told that? I must have answered that question at least 3 times in this thread alone. Do I think Scotland should get the same deal as NI? Sure, devolve the Scottish Parliament and everything can be run from Westminster. That's the deal you're talking about, right? Ok CLCC how does one get a referendum ? Is it the people that vote to have one ? So you think Scotland should get the same deal as N.Ireland so what happens if Scotland doesnt get the same deal then what in your opinion ? You really didnt just say that so now your happy to see Holyrood be devolved and for power to go back to Westminster ? So your happy for the Tories to run Scotland affairs then ? I call that sick that you would love to force the Tories into power in Scotland when we the people of Scotland dont vote for sick bastards like the Tories your true colours are showing now lol So its like your saying CLCC if England have to suffer Tories and brexit then Scotland must suffer it too lol Parliament has to vote for a referendum in order to get one. The end of devolved government is the only deal NI currently has that Scotland doesn't. You were the one asking for it. You really have double standards if you gonna demand people answer your questions then take some of your own advise and start answer other peoples lol I didnt see you answer these ... so are you now happy to see Holyrood be devolved and for power to go back to Westminster ? So your happy for the Tories to run Scotland affairs then ? That's not happening kinky. It was a joke, a satirical commentary about NI based upon your assertion that Scotland get the same. Ok So how does one get a referendum ? Do people have to vote for a referendum ? Parliament has to vote for a referendum. Lmao Right so who tells parilament that they want a referendum ? Is it the people that decide if and when they want a referendum ? You know it is A party has to put a referendum in a manifesto correct ? And if elected by the people then that party has a mandate to deliver on that manifesto/ policy correct ? So its the people that decide when and if a referendum will take place its upto the elected party to deliver on the will of the peopl correct ? Oh god some people really dont have a clue either that or happy to spin lies lol Unionists is Scotland must be really pissed off today as unionists were saying ''We cannot allow different parts of the UK to be more favourably treated than others'' Its all one United Kingdom remember well suppose to be lol but clearly its not No, it's nothing to do with the people. It's parliament. Like it or not, parliament is sovereign, not the people. Like I said, prove me wrong by naming a single law that the people have passed without parliament. Oh my god lol Listen to what your saying So your claiming its not the people that vote to elected a party into government that has a manifesto policy to have a referendum ? People vote on who their local MP is, that's it. Wow your lack of knowledge lmao So people dont vote for a parties manifesto policies now ? Lol So CLCC did you vote for a party manifesto or just simply a male or female just cause you liked the name ? Lol No, you vote for a named person. You can't just vote for "a man" or "a woman". You are well truely clueless about how any of this works. Pot and kettle lol " Kinky, you don't even understand how voting works. | |||
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"The same body that wrote the legislation allowing the 2014 referendum, will be responsible for any future legislation for any future referendum. Right so you are telling me its not the people of Scotland that will decide when and if another referendum takes place ? Wow just honestly wow listen to yourself thsat is madness what you are saying. So CLCC are you honestly saying its ok to go against the will of the Scottish people ? lol Out of interest do you think Scotland should get the same deal as N.Ireland ? If not what should happen in your opinion ? Yes, I'm telling you its not the people of Scotland who decide on any referendum, or any law, it's only members of parliament. I'm glad we got that sorted. Prove me wrong if you want, tell me which law has been passed , or which referendum has been granted and recognised, that was organised by the people, and not parliament. Oh god some people have lost the plot today it would appear So CLCC are you now your saying its not upto the people of Scotland to decide when and if a referendum takes place. Simple question how does a referendum take place ? It needs people's voting for it doesnt it ? Lol The double standards coming from you CLCC is unreal here you were last night demanding me to answer your question last night and here you are missing / not answering my questions tut tut Mind answering this ...Out of interest do you think Scotland should get the same deal as N.Ireland ? If not what should happen in your opinion ? I am answering your questions! No, it's not up to the people of Scotland to decide when a referendum is held. How many times do you need to be told that? I must have answered that question at least 3 times in this thread alone. Do I think Scotland should get the same deal as NI? Sure, devolve the Scottish Parliament and everything can be run from Westminster. That's the deal you're talking about, right? Ok CLCC how does one get a referendum ? Is it the people that vote to have one ? So you think Scotland should get the same deal as N.Ireland so what happens if Scotland doesnt get the same deal then what in your opinion ? You really didnt just say that so now your happy to see Holyrood be devolved and for power to go back to Westminster ? So your happy for the Tories to run Scotland affairs then ? I call that sick that you would love to force the Tories into power in Scotland when we the people of Scotland dont vote for sick bastards like the Tories your true colours are showing now lol So its like your saying CLCC if England have to suffer Tories and brexit then Scotland must suffer it too lol Parliament has to vote for a referendum in order to get one. The end of devolved government is the only deal NI currently has that Scotland doesn't. You were the one asking for it. You really have double standards if you gonna demand people answer your questions then take some of your own advise and start answer other peoples lol I didnt see you answer these ... so are you now happy to see Holyrood be devolved and for power to go back to Westminster ? So your happy for the Tories to run Scotland affairs then ? That's not happening kinky. It was a joke, a satirical commentary about NI based upon your assertion that Scotland get the same. Ok So how does one get a referendum ? Do people have to vote for a referendum ? Parliament has to vote for a referendum. Lmao Right so who tells parilament that they want a referendum ? Is it the people that decide if and when they want a referendum ? You know it is A party has to put a referendum in a manifesto correct ? And if elected by the people then that party has a mandate to deliver on that manifesto/ policy correct ? So its the people that decide when and if a referendum will take place its upto the elected party to deliver on the will of the peopl correct ? Oh god some people really dont have a clue either that or happy to spin lies lol Unionists is Scotland must be really pissed off today as unionists were saying ''We cannot allow different parts of the UK to be more favourably treated than others'' Its all one United Kingdom remember well suppose to be lol but clearly its not No, it's nothing to do with the people. It's parliament. Like it or not, parliament is sovereign, not the people. Like I said, prove me wrong by naming a single law that the people have passed without parliament. Oh my god lol Listen to what your saying So your claiming its not the people that vote to elected a party into government that has a manifesto policy to have a referendum ? People vote on who their local MP is, that's it. Wow your lack of knowledge lmao So people dont vote for a parties manifesto policies now ? Lol So CLCC did you vote for a party manifesto or just simply a male or female just cause you liked the name ? Lol No, you vote for a named person. You can't just vote for "a man" or "a woman". You are well truely clueless about how any of this works. Pot and kettle lol Kinky, you don't even understand how voting works. " Pot and kettle CLCC pot and kettle | |||
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"Welcome to The colonies of Scotland Wales Northern Ireland Thank you very much all those that voted Tory and screwing the rest of the UK well done!! Family of nation my fucking arse!!! " I voted Tory, what did I do wrong? Who should I have voted ? Ever heard of democracy ? Unfortunately we all look for different things from the parties we vote for, everyone can’t be happy. Ever thought about emigrating to North Korea ? | |||
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"Welcome to The colonies of Scotland Wales Northern Ireland Thank you very much all those that voted Tory and screwing the rest of the UK well done!! Family of nation my fucking arse!!! I voted Tory, what did I do wrong? Who should I have voted ? Ever heard of democracy ? Unfortunately we all look for different things from the parties we vote for, everyone can’t be happy. Ever thought about emigrating to North Korea ? " You gave the Tories power to grab back devolved powers that what your Tory vote got you happy with that ? Yeah i have heard of democracy can tell me when did Scotland vote for Tory government to grab back all these devolved powers eh ? No why should i ? Better still lets have Scotland leave this corrupt UK union eh | |||
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"Welcome to The colonies of Scotland Wales Northern Ireland Thank you very much all those that voted Tory and screwing the rest of the UK well done!! Family of nation my fucking arse!!! I voted Tory, what did I do wrong? Who should I have voted ? Ever heard of democracy ? Unfortunately we all look for different things from the parties we vote for, everyone can’t be happy. Ever thought about emigrating to North Korea ? " Shows you have good judgement if you did.....not... this is the tories fucking mess along with the fools that voted them in...i hope you are very happy | |||
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"Welcome to The colonies of Scotland Wales Northern Ireland Thank you very much all those that voted Tory and screwing the rest of the UK well done!! Family of nation my fucking arse!!! I voted Tory, what did I do wrong? Who should I have voted ? Ever heard of democracy ? Unfortunately we all look for different things from the parties we vote for, everyone can’t be happy. Ever thought about emigrating to North Korea ? You gave the Tories power to grab back devolved powers that what your Tory vote got you happy with that ? Yeah i have heard of democracy can tell me when did Scotland vote for Tory government to grab back all these devolved powers eh ? No why should i ? Better still lets have Scotland leave this corrupt UK union eh " Ok let them leave, I couldn’t give a damn. I’ve got my reasons for voting the way I do, am I not entitled to that or must I vote as you would like ? | |||
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"Welcome to The colonies of Scotland Wales Northern Ireland Thank you very much all those that voted Tory and screwing the rest of the UK well done!! Family of nation my fucking arse!!! I voted Tory, what did I do wrong? Who should I have voted ? Ever heard of democracy ? Unfortunately we all look for different things from the parties we vote for, everyone can’t be happy. Ever thought about emigrating to North Korea ? Shows you have good judgement if you did.....not... this is the tories fucking mess along with the fools that voted them in...i hope you are very happy "And you are an expert because ?..,,, | |||
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"Welcome to The colonies of Scotland Wales Northern Ireland Thank you very much all those that voted Tory and screwing the rest of the UK well done!! Family of nation my fucking arse!!! I voted Tory, what did I do wrong? Who should I have voted ? Ever heard of democracy ? Unfortunately we all look for different things from the parties we vote for, everyone can’t be happy. Ever thought about emigrating to North Korea ? You gave the Tories power to grab back devolved powers that what your Tory vote got you happy with that ? Yeah i have heard of democracy can tell me when did Scotland vote for Tory government to grab back all these devolved powers eh ? No why should i ? Better still lets have Scotland leave this corrupt UK union eh Ok let them leave, I couldn’t give a damn. I’ve got my reasons for voting the way I do, am I not entitled to that or must I vote as you would like ? " So your dancing about and filled with joy that You gave the Tories power to grab back devolved powers from Scotland , Wales and N.Ireland ? Welcome to The colonies of Scotland Wales Northern Ireland where the Tories think its ok to grab back devolved power which breaks the Scotland act 1998 | |||
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"Welcome to The colonies of Scotland Wales Northern Ireland Thank you very much all those that voted Tory and screwing the rest of the UK well done!! Family of nation my fucking arse!!! I voted Tory, what did I do wrong? Who should I have voted ? Ever heard of democracy ? Unfortunately we all look for different things from the parties we vote for, everyone can’t be happy. Ever thought about emigrating to North Korea ? You gave the Tories power to grab back devolved powers that what your Tory vote got you happy with that ? Yeah i have heard of democracy can tell me when did Scotland vote for Tory government to grab back all these devolved powers eh ? No why should i ? Better still lets have Scotland leave this corrupt UK union eh Ok let them leave, I couldn’t give a damn. I’ve got my reasons for voting the way I do, am I not entitled to that or must I vote as you would like ? So your dancing about and filled with joy that You gave the Tories power to grab back devolved powers from Scotland , Wales and N.Ireland ? Welcome to The colonies of Scotland Wales Northern Ireland where the Tories think its ok to grab back devolved power which breaks the Scotland act 1998 " Ok excuse my ignorance but how does that affect me ? | |||
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