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"Can she afford to chop anyone? Boris ?  "Losing yet another senior caninet minister will nake her more wobbly? | |||
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"or green" Could be right | |||
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"There are reports saying that Davis will quit if Green is sacked! "ooh.. wonder what Green has got on Davis..  | |||
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"Davis is fucking up the Brexit process and so this could be his way out. Interesting that we could get Green and Davis out at the same time. Can't see anything wrong with that outcome." Make Bojo Brexit Secretary. | |||
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"Davis is fucking up the Brexit process and so this could be his way out. Interesting that we could get Green and Davis out at the same time. Can't see anything wrong with that outcome." aoart from it fucking up the brexit talks even more that would do the uk a lot of good | |||
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"Davis is fucking up the Brexit process and so this could be his way out. Interesting that we could get Green and Davis out at the same time. Can't see anything wrong with that outcome.aoart from it fucking up the brexit talks even more that would do the uk a lot of good " Actually - it might encourage TM to invite Keir Starmer to become Brexit Secretary and prove to the country that this is for all of our collective benefit and not ideology. | |||
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"is there anyone here that would not get fired from their job if porn was found on their work computer..... let alone the amount that was alledged to have been found on his.... " I have worked with a person who got sacked for having porn on his work laptop... | |||
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"urban dictionary .... try reading an adult dictionary instead " A nonce is a person convicted of a sexual offence, especially against a child. I can't recall it being used once in any of the recent sexual harassment inquiries or allegations. Please feel free to correct me if you have. | |||
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"Something isn't right. These allegations go back to 2008 when he was the Conservative immigration spokesman. Why wasn't he charged or disciplined then? He had embarrassed the Labour government with a series of leaks about illegal immigration and other issues. Police then raided his Parliamentary office as part of an inquiry into how he got his hands on confidential documents. His office computer was seized and he was detained for nine hours. If they had something on him they would've done it then. But no charges were brought against the Damian Green or civil servant who passed unauthorised material to Mr Green, although the official was sacked. I'm going to wait just a little bit longer before giving my verdict. The stuff on his computer isn't illegal. The information was released by the officer involved at the time. That officer is now being investigated for releasing irrelevant info. Not criminal. It's embarrasing / wrong / sackable because he had mainstream porn on a work computer. But as you say 9 years old story." Indeed. So much for police confidentiality. | |||
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" But this guy is part of a government thats introducing stricter legalisation for porn sites...a bit like this one...a bit hypocritical of him or not ? " The stricter legislation you refer to means age verification of all pornographic content to prevent minors viewing online material. As Damian Green was over 18 in 2008 it isn't hypocritical. | |||
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"Indeed. So much for police confidentiality." WTF! MP has thousands of porn photos on his House of Commons PC in 2008 and not only is he not sacked but he gets to stand for reelection 3 times when anyone other than an MP would have been fired on the spot and escorted off their employers premises! And your concerned with police probity! Take your head out of your arse, the thing you should be outraged about is that it has taken a retired police officer nearly 10 years to make this public and that the Tories are still trying to cover it up! Our lawmakers should be held to a higher moral standard than the rest of us not a lower one! And our police should expose wrongdoing by the rich and powerful not cover it up! | |||
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" But this guy is part of a government thats introducing stricter legalisation for porn sites...a bit like this one...a bit hypocritical of him or not ? The stricter legislation you refer to means age verification of all pornographic content to prevent minors viewing online material. As Damian Green was over 18 in 2008 it isn't hypocritical." I think you have missed the whole story....ok 1)Having pornographic materiel on your work computer would be a sack able reason in most work places...why is being an MP any different. 2)...These are historic investigations ....a lot to do with Harvey Weinstein and all that stuff. 3) The police are actively investigating him on other things...the police office who originally investigated him believe's its in the public's interest to know. Lets hope hes done nothing wrong eh... | |||
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"Indeed. So much for police confidentiality. WTF! MP has thousands of porn photos on his House of Commons PC in 2008 and not only is he not sacked but he gets to stand for reelection 3 times when anyone other than an MP would have been fired on the spot and escorted off their employers premises! And your concerned with police probity! Take your head out of your arse, the thing you should be outraged about is that it has taken a retired police officer nearly 10 years to make this public and that the Tories are still trying to cover it up! Our lawmakers should be held to a higher moral standard than the rest of us not a lower one! And our police should expose wrongdoing by the rich and powerful not cover it up!"  | |||
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" But this guy is part of a government thats introducing stricter legalisation for porn sites...a bit like this one...a bit hypocritical of him or not ? The stricter legislation you refer to means age verification of all pornographic content to prevent minors viewing online material. As Damian Green was over 18 in 2008 it isn't hypocritical." Age verification of all pornographic content will be mandatory from April 2018. But there are still a lot of grey areas Plans to force all pornographic websites behind an age-verification wall will be formally announced by the government on Monday. Critics of the plan have hit back, saying it will "fundamentally change the internet" both in the UK and oversees. In a statement, Matt Hancock, the minister of state for digital and culture, said the pornography block would be "fully in place" by April 2018. Today, parliament will appoint a regulator who will draw up guidelines as to how the legislation will be enforced. Jerry Barnett, founder of campaign group Sex & Censorship, said the legislation would “fundamentally change the internet in the UK and possibly globally”. For the first time, he added, the government would have the power to block websites, en-masse, without court orders. “This is a first in a democracy,” he continued. “Although this appears to be just about protecting children from porn, it isn't. It will block any site that doesn't comply with strict UK content rules.”  | |||
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"is there anyone here that would not get fired from their job if porn was found on their work computer..... let alone the amount that was alledged to have been found on his.... " Offshore every person has a "smart Badge" to log on at any pc. If a plant upset occurs, it is very easy to rush out to fix the plant without removing your card, leaving the pc open. . when this happens, some will sit down, go into the persons Email and send some very nasty Emails to his boss, happens all the time, as does down loading porn, then reporting the guy for having porn on computer . but then guys who work offshore are a different breed | |||
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"Davis is fucking up the Brexit process and so this could be his way out. Interesting that we could get Green and Davis out at the same time. Can't see anything wrong with that outcome. Make Bojo Brexit Secretary. " Boris Johnson, a man so socially inept he's a borderline nutter | |||
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"Indeed. So much for police confidentiality. WTF! MP has thousands of porn photos on his House of Commons PC in 2008 and not only is he not sacked but he gets to stand for reelection 3 times when anyone other than an MP would have been fired on the spot and escorted off their employers premises! And your concerned with police probity! Take your head out of your arse, the thing you should be outraged about is that it has taken a retired police officer nearly 10 years to make this public and that the Tories are still trying to cover it up! Our lawmakers should be held to a higher moral standard than the rest of us not a lower one! And our police should expose wrongdoing by the rich and powerful not cover it up!" Sorry to have shocked you but actually I am concerned about police probity. So should all of us. The police didn't pursue the matter at the time nor did they tell Mr Green about it. Because it wasn't illegal and had nothing to do with the case they were investigating. The retired officer in question has said he can't be sure it was Damian Green who accessed the pornography. Did it get covered up by the Tories as you claim? I don't know. I'm not going to join in the mob to hang him until I see more evidence. As for expecting lawmakers to have higher moral standards it depends on the baseline you start from. | |||
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" But this guy is part of a government thats introducing stricter legalisation for porn sites...a bit like this one...a bit hypocritical of him or not ? The stricter legislation you refer to means age verification of all pornographic content to prevent minors viewing online material. As Damian Green was over 18 in 2008 it isn't hypocritical. I think you have missed the whole story....ok 1)Having pornographic materiel on your work computer would be a sack able reason in most work places...why is being an MP any different. 2)...These are historic investigations ....a lot to do with Harvey Weinstein and all that stuff. 3) The police are actively investigating him on other things...the police office who originally investigated him believe's its in the public's interest to know. Lets hope hes done nothing wrong eh... " I haven't missed the story. I answered your question. Having pornographic materiel [sp] on your work computer in 2008 has nothing to do with the legislation. Harvey Weinstein has nothing to do with the legislation. An ongoing police investigation has nothing to do with this legislation. Whether a police office [sp] who originally investigated him believe's [sp] it in the public's interest to know has nothing to do with this legislation. | |||
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"is there anyone here that would not get fired from their job if porn was found on their work computer..... let alone the amount that was alledged to have been found on his.... Offshore every person has a "smart Badge" to log on at any pc. If a plant upset occurs, it is very easy to rush out to fix the plant without removing your card, leaving the pc open. . when this happens, some will sit down, go into the persons Email and send some very nasty Emails to his boss, happens all the time, as does down loading porn, then reporting the guy for having porn on computer . but then guys who work offshore are a different breed" Even then you'd expect some sort of content filtering on the PC itself or on the network perimeter to block porn etc. These filters are put in place to protect the company/institution and the employee. If you know porn is going to be blocked and reported you don't access it. I'm surprised it took an unrelated police investigation to (allegedly) discover this had happened when it should've been prevented from ever happening in the first place. | |||
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" Even then you'd expect some sort of content filtering on the PC itself or on the network perimeter to block porn etc. These filters are put in place to protect the company/institution and the employee. If you know porn is going to be blocked and reported you don't access it. I'm surprised it took an unrelated police investigation to (allegedly) discover this had happened when it should've been prevented from ever happening in the first place. " The other side of that though, is parliamentarians need to be able to access and see all sorts of stuff for legitimate reasons. If online porn is being legislated they need to be able to see the real world. So, on that basis, I'd say no blocks. That 'research' doesn't include wanking all day for months on end though  | |||
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" Even then you'd expect some sort of content filtering on the PC itself or on the network perimeter to block porn etc. These filters are put in place to protect the company/institution and the employee. If you know porn is going to be blocked and reported you don't access it. I'm surprised it took an unrelated police investigation to (allegedly) discover this had happened when it should've been prevented from ever happening in the first place. The other side of that though, is parliamentarians need to be able to access and see all sorts of stuff for legitimate reasons. If online porn is being legislated they need to be able to see the real world. So, on that basis, I'd say no blocks. That 'research' doesn't include wanking all day for months on end though "If you have a legitimate reason you ring IT and ask for an exemption | |||
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" Even then you'd expect some sort of content filtering on the PC itself or on the network perimeter to block porn etc. These filters are put in place to protect the company/institution and the employee. If you know porn is going to be blocked and reported you don't access it. I'm surprised it took an unrelated police investigation to (allegedly) discover this had happened when it should've been prevented from ever happening in the first place. The other side of that though, is parliamentarians need to be able to access and see all sorts of stuff for legitimate reasons. If online porn is being legislated they need to be able to see the real world. So, on that basis, I'd say no blocks. That 'research' doesn't include wanking all day for months on end though "Valid point. But in 2008 I doubt he would have been researching for this current legislation. | |||
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" Even then you'd expect some sort of content filtering on the PC itself or on the network perimeter to block porn etc. These filters are put in place to protect the company/institution and the employee. If you know porn is going to be blocked and reported you don't access it. I'm surprised it took an unrelated police investigation to (allegedly) discover this had happened when it should've been prevented from ever happening in the first place. The other side of that though, is parliamentarians need to be able to access and see all sorts of stuff for legitimate reasons. If online porn is being legislated they need to be able to see the real world. So, on that basis, I'd say no blocks. That 'research' doesn't include wanking all day for months on end though
Valid point. But in 2008 I doubt he would have been researching for this current legislation."No, 'someone' in the office was cracking one off.
According to an ex-copper, who's just decided to bring it up 9 years later 'in the public interest'.
I did read he is supposed to be May's main help and support, her 'right hand man' so to speak | |||
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And all this information i have posted is available on the open web.
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"Theres a valid reason why this ex copper has brought it up though...Green has accused his boss Bob Quick of lying.... The ex coppers quote Neil Lewis who btw is A former Scotland Yard detective who specialised in examining digital devices for evidence Lewis said he was motivated to come forward when he heard Green denying claims by his superior Quick. “His outright denial of that was quite amazing followed by his criticism of Bob Quick,” Lewis said.' Green is also being investigated into alleged inappropriate behaviour towards Kate Maltby...for someone who asked whats Harvey Weinstein got to do with it....its this...all these allegations came out once Harvey got busted Kate Maltby's quote 'Angered by the incident, Maltby said she had no further contact with Green until he sent her a text message a year later saying he had “admired [her] in a corset” and inviting her for a drink.' As for the incial investigation they thought the guy had broke the official secrets act and came across all this porn on an official government laptop
And all this information i have posted is available on the open web.
"The very same specialist in examining digital devices for evidence said he can't be sure it was Damian Green who accessed the pornography. I didn't ask any question relating to Harvey Weinstein. I said Harvey Weinstein has nothing to do with the legislation. Stop making things up. | |||
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"Theres a valid reason why this ex copper has brought it up though...Green has accused his boss Bob Quick of lying.... The ex coppers quote Neil Lewis who btw is A former Scotland Yard detective who specialised in examining digital devices for evidence Lewis said he was motivated to come forward when he heard Green denying claims by his superior Quick. “His outright denial of that was quite amazing followed by his criticism of Bob Quick,” Lewis said.' Green is also being investigated into alleged inappropriate behaviour towards Kate Maltby...for someone who asked whats Harvey Weinstein got to do with it....its this...all these allegations came out once Harvey got busted Kate Maltby's quote 'Angered by the incident, Maltby said she had no further contact with Green until he sent her a text message a year later saying he had “admired [her] in a corset” and inviting her for a drink.' As for the incial investigation they thought the guy had broke the official secrets act and came across all this porn on an official government laptop
And all this information i have posted is available on the open web.
The very same specialist in examining digital devices for evidence said he can't be sure it was Damian Green who accessed the pornography.
I didn't ask any question relating to Harvey Weinstein. I said Harvey Weinstein has nothing to do with the legislation. Stop making things up."Well thats a lot different to what his note say....the ones that he was asked to be destroyed...and what a lot of policemen find strange as there NEVER asked to destroy there note books...even when the retire Im making nothing up...these alleged allegations came to light resulting from the Harvey thing...are you stupid.... Do some research into into...and maybe just maybe you might learnt something....those quotes arnt my quotes  | |||
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"Theres a valid reason why this ex copper has brought it up though...Green has accused his boss Bob Quick of lying.... The ex coppers quote Neil Lewis who btw is A former Scotland Yard detective who specialised in examining digital devices for evidence Lewis said he was motivated to come forward when he heard Green denying claims by his superior Quick. “His outright denial of that was quite amazing followed by his criticism of Bob Quick,” Lewis said.' Green is also being investigated into alleged inappropriate behaviour towards Kate Maltby...for someone who asked whats Harvey Weinstein got to do with it....its this...all these allegations came out once Harvey got busted Kate Maltby's quote 'Angered by the incident, Maltby said she had no further contact with Green until he sent her a text message a year later saying he had “admired [her] in a corset” and inviting her for a drink.' As for the incial investigation they thought the guy had broke the official secrets act and came across all this porn on an official government laptop
And all this information i have posted is available on the open web.
The very same specialist in examining digital devices for evidence said he can't be sure it was Damian Green who accessed the pornography.
I didn't ask any question relating to Harvey Weinstein. I said Harvey Weinstein has nothing to do with the legislation. Stop making things up.
Well thats a lot different to what his note say....the ones that he was asked to be destroyed...and what a lot of policemen find strange as there NEVER asked to destroy there note books...even when the retire
Im making nothing up...these alleged allegations came to light resulting from the Harvey thing...are you stupid....
Do some research into into...and maybe just maybe you might learnt something....those quotes arnt my quotes "I've never said you've made anything up. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42205329 Scroll down to the video of the interview with Neil Lewis. | |||
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"Theres a valid reason why this ex copper has brought it up though...Green has accused his boss Bob Quick of lying.... The ex coppers quote Neil Lewis who btw is A former Scotland Yard detective who specialised in examining digital devices for evidence Lewis said he was motivated to come forward when he heard Green denying claims by his superior Quick. “His outright denial of that was quite amazing followed by his criticism of Bob Quick,” Lewis said.' Green is also being investigated into alleged inappropriate behaviour towards Kate Maltby...for someone who asked whats Harvey Weinstein got to do with it....its this...all these allegations came out once Harvey got busted Kate Maltby's quote 'Angered by the incident, Maltby said she had no further contact with Green until he sent her a text message a year later saying he had “admired [her] in a corset” and inviting her for a drink.' As for the incial investigation they thought the guy had broke the official secrets act and came across all this porn on an official government laptop
And all this information i have posted is available on the open web.
The very same specialist in examining digital devices for evidence said he can't be sure it was Damian Green who accessed the pornography.
I didn't ask any question relating to Harvey Weinstein. I said Harvey Weinstein has nothing to do with the legislation. Stop making things up.
Well thats a lot different to what his note say....the ones that he was asked to be destroyed...and what a lot of policemen find strange as there NEVER asked to destroy there note books...even when the retire
Im making nothing up...these alleged allegations came to light resulting from the Harvey thing...are you stupid....
Do some research into into...and maybe just maybe you might learnt something....those quotes arnt my quotes
I've never said you've made anything up.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42205329
Scroll down to the video of the interview with Neil Lewis."I saw the interview with him on TV last night | |||
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" Well thats a lot different to what his note say....the ones that he was asked to be destroyed...and what a lot of policemen find strange as there NEVER asked to destroy there note books...even when the retire Im making nothing up...these alleged allegations came to light resulting from the Harvey thing...are you stupid.... Do some research into into...and maybe just maybe you might learnt something....those quotes arnt my quotes "Your attitude stinks. | |||
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" Well thats a lot different to what his note say....the ones that he was asked to be destroyed...and what a lot of policemen find strange as there NEVER asked to destroy there note books...even when the retire Im making nothing up...these alleged allegations came to light resulting from the Harvey thing...are you stupid.... Do some research into into...and maybe just maybe you might learnt something....those quotes arnt my quotes
Your attitude stinks."Nearly as bad as yours | |||
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" Well thats a lot different to what his note say....the ones that he was asked to be destroyed...and what a lot of policemen find strange as there NEVER asked to destroy there note books...even when the retire Im making nothing up...these alleged allegations came to light resulting from the Harvey thing...are you stupid.... Do some research into into...and maybe just maybe you might learnt something....those quotes arnt my quotes
Your attitude stinks.
Nearly as bad as yours "If you'd like to C+P anywhere I've called somebody stupid or similar in a discussion, then I'll accept your point. | |||
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" Well thats a lot different to what his note say....the ones that he was asked to be destroyed...and what a lot of policemen find strange as there NEVER asked to destroy there note books...even when the retire Im making nothing up...these alleged allegations came to light resulting from the Harvey thing...are you stupid.... Do some research into into...and maybe just maybe you might learnt something....those quotes arnt my quotes
Your attitude stinks.
Nearly as bad as yours
If you'd like to C+P anywhere I've called somebody stupid or similar in a discussion, then I'll accept your point."You will never accept any point anyone makes unless its agreeing with you...stop trolling me | |||
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" Well thats a lot different to what his note say....the ones that he was asked to be destroyed...and what a lot of policemen find strange as there NEVER asked to destroy there note books...even when the retire Im making nothing up...these alleged allegations came to light resulting from the Harvey thing...are you stupid.... Do some research into into...and maybe just maybe you might learnt something....those quotes arnt my quotes
Your attitude stinks.
Nearly as bad as yours
If you'd like to C+P anywhere I've called somebody stupid or similar in a discussion, then I'll accept your point.
You will never accept any point anyone makes unless its agreeing with you...stop trolling me "I don't accept things I disagree with, no. I explain my opinion and why I disagree. That is a forum discussion. That's what happens here. I was referring to your comments of 'are you stupid' and 'maybe just maybe you'll learn something'. Discussing and resorting to comments like yours are two entirely different things. Commenting on your comments in a thread I'm involved in, isn't trolling btw. | |||
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" Well thats a lot different to what his note say....the ones that he was asked to be destroyed...and what a lot of policemen find strange as there NEVER asked to destroy there note books...even when the retire Im making nothing up...these alleged allegations came to light resulting from the Harvey thing...are you stupid.... Do some research into into...and maybe just maybe you might learnt something....those quotes arnt my quotes
Your attitude stinks.
Nearly as bad as yours
If you'd like to C+P anywhere I've called somebody stupid or similar in a discussion, then I'll accept your point.
You will never accept any point anyone makes unless its agreeing with you...stop trolling me
I don't accept things I disagree with, no. I explain my opinion and why I disagree. That is a forum discussion. That's what happens here.
I was referring to your comments of 'are you stupid' and 'maybe just maybe you'll learn something'.
Discussing and resorting to comments like yours are two entirely different things.
Commenting on your comments in a thread I'm involved in, isn't trolling btw."Your attitude stinks eh...??? not trolling...i was answering the guy who i was debating with...not you...if he wanted to comment on my 'attitude' im sure he would | |||
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"is there anyone here that would not get fired from their job if porn was found on their work computer..... let alone the amount that was alledged to have been found on his.... Offshore every person has a "smart Badge" to log on at any pc. If a plant upset occurs, it is very easy to rush out to fix the plant without removing your card, leaving the pc open. . when this happens, some will sit down, go into the persons Email and send some very nasty Emails to his boss, happens all the time, as does down loading porn, then reporting the guy for having porn on computer . but then guys who work offshore are a different breed Even then you'd expect some sort of content filtering on the PC itself or on the network perimeter to block porn etc. These filters are put in place to protect the company/institution and the employee. If you know porn is going to be blocked and reported you don't access it. I'm surprised it took an unrelated police investigation to (allegedly) discover this had happened when it should've been prevented from ever happening in the first place. " Agreed there are filters to block porn offshore, you cant even log onto the UK lottery offshore due to filters | |||
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" Commenting on your comments in a thread I'm involved in, isn't trolling btw. Your attitude stinks eh...??? not trolling...i was answering the guy who i was debating with...not you...if he wanted to comment on my 'attitude' im sure he would " Calling someone stupid isn't 'debating'. Calling you out on it isn't trolling. | |||
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" I saw the interview with him on TV last night " And did you see the bit where Neil Lewis said he couldn't say it was Damian Green accessing the pornography? | |||
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" Commenting on your comments in a thread I'm involved in, isn't trolling btw. Your attitude stinks eh...??? not trolling...i was answering the guy who i was debating with...not you...if he wanted to comment on my 'attitude' im sure he would Calling someone stupid isn't 'debating'. Calling you out on it isn't trolling." olderseekingyounger has a habit of calling people stupid etc. I suspect he high fives himself at the same time. | |||
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" Commenting on your comments in a thread I'm involved in, isn't trolling btw. Your attitude stinks eh...??? not trolling...i was answering the guy who i was debating with...not you...if he wanted to comment on my 'attitude' im sure he would Calling someone stupid isn't 'debating'. Calling you out on it isn't trolling. olderseekingyounger has a habit of calling people stupid etc. I suspect he high fives himself at the same time." Probably right in the forehead. | |||
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" I saw the interview with him on TV last night And did you see the bit where Neil Lewis said he couldn't say it was Damian Green accessing the pornography?" This is from the BBC News article: Lewis, who retired from the Metropolitan Police in2014, said although "you can't put fingers on a keyboard", a number of factors meant that he was sure it was Mr Green, the MP for Ashford, Kent, whowas accessing the pornographic material. His analysis of the way the computer had been used left the former detective constable in "no doubt whatsoever" that it was Mr Green, who was then an opposition immigration spokesman but is now the first secretary of state. "The computer was in Mr Green's office, on his desk, logged in, his account, his name," said Mr Lewis, whoat the time was working as a computer forensics examiner for SO15, the counter-terrorism command. "In between browsing pornography, he was sendingemails from his account, his personal account, reading documents... it was ridiculous to suggest anybody else could have done it." So he says its ridiculous to suggest someone else did it. Are you suggesting that? | |||
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" I saw the interview with him on TV last night And did you see the bit where Neil Lewis said he couldn't say it was Damian Green accessing the pornography? This is from the BBC News article: Lewis, who retired from the Metropolitan Police in2014, said although "you can't put fingers on a keyboard", a number of factors meant that he was sure it was Mr Green, the MP for Ashford, Kent, whowas accessing the pornographic material. His analysis of the way the computer had been used left the former detective constable in "no doubt whatsoever" that it was Mr Green, who was then an opposition immigration spokesman but is now the first secretary of state. "The computer was in Mr Green's office, on his desk, logged in, his account, his name," said Mr Lewis, whoat the time was working as a computer forensics examiner for SO15, the counter-terrorism command. "In between browsing pornography, he was sendingemails from his account, his personal account, reading documents... it was ridiculous to suggest anybody else could have done it." So he says its ridiculous to suggest someone else did it. Are you suggesting that? " well read back up...thats what ive been saying...and copied links...but no im the rude one lol | |||
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" I saw the interview with him on TV last night And did you see the bit where Neil Lewis said he couldn't say it was Damian Green accessing the pornography? This is from the BBC News article: Lewis, who retired from the Metropolitan Police in2014, said although "you can't put fingers on a keyboard", a number of factors meant that he was sure it was Mr Green, the MP for Ashford, Kent, whowas accessing the pornographic material. His analysis of the way the computer had been used left the former detective constable in "no doubt whatsoever" that it was Mr Green, who was then an opposition immigration spokesman but is now the first secretary of state. "The computer was in Mr Green's office, on his desk, logged in, his account, his name," said Mr Lewis, whoat the time was working as a computer forensics examiner for SO15, the counter-terrorism command. "In between browsing pornography, he was sendingemails from his account, his personal account, reading documents... it was ridiculous to suggest anybody else could have done it." So he says its ridiculous to suggest someone else did it. Are you suggesting that? " If Neil Lewis said himself in the interview he couldn't be certain, then why should anyone else be certain? | |||
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" I saw the interview with him on TV last night And did you see the bit where Neil Lewis said he couldn't say it was Damian Green accessing the pornography? This is from the BBC News article: Lewis, who retired from the Metropolitan Police in2014, said although "you can't put fingers on a keyboard", a number of factors meant that he was sure it was Mr Green, the MP for Ashford, Kent, whowas accessing the pornographic material. His analysis of the way the computer had been used left the former detective constable in "no doubt whatsoever" that it was Mr Green, who was then an opposition immigration spokesman but is now the first secretary of state. "The computer was in Mr Green's office, on his desk, logged in, his account, his name," said Mr Lewis, whoat the time was working as a computer forensics examiner for SO15, the counter-terrorism command. "In between browsing pornography, he was sendingemails from his account, his personal account, reading documents... it was ridiculous to suggest anybody else could have done it." So he says its ridiculous to suggest someone else did it. Are you suggesting that? If Neil Lewis said himself in the interview he couldn't be certain, then why should anyone else be certain? " he didnt...i posted his words not mine his....spin away again | |||
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"It’s based on the balance of probabilities. I don’t have a picture of him looking at porn But I can see him sending an email 30 seconds before. And after. But I guess it’s believable he could have popped out for a minute. Leaving his computer unlocked. And for this to happen repeatedly. " Like the person in question says, thats a "ridiculous" suggestion. | |||
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"It’s based on the balance of probabilities. I don’t have a picture of him looking at porn But I can see him sending an email 30 seconds before. And after. But I guess it’s believable he could have popped out for a minute. Leaving his computer unlocked. And for this to happen repeatedly. Like the person in question says, thats a "ridiculous" suggestion. "see this is all to do with his historic behaviour....hes being investigated for other things...of course if hes got form its in the public interest....god knows how many times i've seen quotes from JC from the 80s and used against him....hypocrisy and double standards | |||
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" I saw the interview with him on TV last night And did you see the bit where Neil Lewis said he couldn't say it was Damian Green accessing the pornography? This is from the BBC News article: Lewis, who retired from the Metropolitan Police in2014, said although "you can't put fingers on a keyboard", a number of factors meant that he was sure it was Mr Green, the MP for Ashford, Kent, whowas accessing the pornographic material. His analysis of the way the computer had been used left the former detective constable in "no doubt whatsoever" that it was Mr Green, who was then an opposition immigration spokesman but is now the first secretary of state. "The computer was in Mr Green's office, on his desk, logged in, his account, his name," said Mr Lewis, whoat the time was working as a computer forensics examiner for SO15, the counter-terrorism command. "In between browsing pornography, he was sendingemails from his account, his personal account, reading documents... it was ridiculous to suggest anybody else could have done it." So he says its ridiculous to suggest someone else did it. Are you suggesting that? " I'm not suggesting anything. The point I am making is that Neil Lewis is unable to say he was sure it was Damian Green who was accessing that pornography. If he had enough evidence he would have said he was sure it was Damian Green. Feel free to jump to a conclusion on what you've read and seen. As I said before I'm going to wait before giving my verdict. If that means I'm stupid then so be it! | |||
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" I saw the interview with him on TV last night And did you see the bit where Neil Lewis said he couldn't say it was Damian Green accessing the pornography? This is from the BBC News article: Lewis, who retired from the Metropolitan Police in2014, said although "you can't put fingers on a keyboard", a number of factors meant that he was sure it was Mr Green, the MP for Ashford, Kent, whowas accessing the pornographic material. His analysis of the way the computer had been used left the former detective constable in "no doubt whatsoever" that it was Mr Green, who was then an opposition immigration spokesman but is now the first secretary of state. "The computer was in Mr Green's office, on his desk, logged in, his account, his name," said Mr Lewis, whoat the time was working as a computer forensics examiner for SO15, the counter-terrorism command. "In between browsing pornography, he was sendingemails from his account, his personal account, reading documents... it was ridiculous to suggest anybody else could have done it." So he says its ridiculous to suggest someone else did it. Are you suggesting that? I'm not suggesting anything. The point I am making is that Neil Lewis is unable to say he was sure it was Damian Green who was accessing that pornography. If he had enough evidence he would have said he was sure it was Damian Green. Feel free to jump to a conclusion on what you've read and seen. As I said before I'm going to wait before giving my verdict. If that means I'm stupid then so be it! " He said he had "no doubt whatsoever" that it was Mr Green.  | |||
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"To be fair - Heavily criticising a guy who may or may not have logged onto a porn site Seems a bit rich when you are criticising him from a forum on a porn site Oh! The irony! " tend to disagree, most people who are on here will not be at work.. the guy is an MP, therefore the public has a right to expect that as a public sector employee he or others for that fact are not sat watching porn at work.. a nurse, police officer, firefighter, judge etc would be held to account where they to be in that position.. it should have been flagged up at the time when it was found to the relevant body to sanction it but why wasn't it? any other workplace it would or one would expect it to be.. | |||
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"To be fair - Heavily criticising a guy who may or may not have logged onto a porn site Seems a bit rich when you are criticising him from a forum on a porn site Oh! The irony! " . Shushhh now, he's a Tory and deserves slandering and hanging out to dry!... If he'd been a pro EU voting liberal he'd probably be allowed to say he thinks homosexuality is wrong and sinful without having the forum pitchforks out  | |||
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" I saw the interview with him on TV last night And did you see the bit where Neil Lewis said he couldn't say it was Damian Green accessing the pornography? This is from the BBC News article: Lewis, who retired from the Metropolitan Police in2014, said although "you can't put fingers on a keyboard", a number of factors meant that he was sure it was Mr Green, the MP for Ashford, Kent, whowas accessing the pornographic material. His analysis of the way the computer had been used left the former detective constable in "no doubt whatsoever" that it was Mr Green, who was then an opposition immigration spokesman but is now the first secretary of state. "The computer was in Mr Green's office, on his desk, logged in, his account, his name," said Mr Lewis, whoat the time was working as a computer forensics examiner for SO15, the counter-terrorism command. "In between browsing pornography, he was sendingemails from his account, his personal account, reading documents... it was ridiculous to suggest anybody else could have done it." So he says its ridiculous to suggest someone else did it. Are you suggesting that? I'm not suggesting anything. The point I am making is that Neil Lewis is unable to say he was sure it was Damian Green who was accessing that pornography. If he had enough evidence he would have said he was sure it was Damian Green. Feel free to jump to a conclusion on what you've read and seen. As I said before I'm going to wait before giving my verdict. If that means I'm stupid then so be it! He said he had "no doubt whatsoever" that it was Mr Green. "So he contradicted himself in the interview... first he says he can't be sure it was Damian Green accessing the pornography. Then he says he has no doubt whatsoever it was Mr Green. | |||
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"To be fair - Heavily criticising a guy who may or may not have logged onto a porn site Seems a bit rich when you are criticising him from a forum on a porn site Oh! The irony! . Shushhh now, he's a Tory and deserves slandering and hanging out to dry!... If he'd been a pro EU voting liberal he'd probably be allowed to say he thinks homosexuality is wrong and sinful without having the forum pitchforks out "I'm surprised they haven't blamed the Russians. | |||
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"To be fair - Heavily criticising a guy who may or may not have logged onto a porn site Seems a bit rich when you are criticising him from a forum on a porn site Oh! The irony! tend to disagree, most people who are on here will not be at work.. the guy is an MP, therefore the public has a right to expect that as a public sector employee he or others for that fact are not sat watching porn at work.. a nurse, police officer, firefighter, judge etc would be held to account where they to be in that position.. it should have been flagged up at the time when it was found to the relevant body to sanction it but why wasn't it? any other workplace it would or one would expect it to be.. " I'm not a supporter of any of your political parties, so I have no political bias I just think it's a bit hypocritical to slag a guy off for looking at porn and doing it on a porn site forum If he is guilty you would assume the police would have taken a copy of the hard drive? And it would be an open and shut case | |||
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"To be fair - Heavily criticising a guy who may or may not have logged onto a porn site Seems a bit rich when you are criticising him from a forum on a porn site Oh! The irony! tend to disagree, most people who are on here will not be at work.. the guy is an MP, therefore the public has a right to expect that as a public sector employee he or others for that fact are not sat watching porn at work.. a nurse, police officer, firefighter, judge etc would be held to account where they to be in that position.. it should have been flagged up at the time when it was found to the relevant body to sanction it but why wasn't it? any other workplace it would or one would expect it to be.. I'm not a supporter of any of your political parties, so I have no political bias I just think it's a bit hypocritical to slag a guy off for looking at porn and doing it on a porn site forum If he is guilty you would assume the police would have taken a copy of the hard drive? And it would be an open and shut case " Not the point | |||
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"To be fair - Heavily criticising a guy who may or may not have logged onto a porn site Seems a bit rich when you are criticising him from a forum on a porn site Oh! The irony! . Shushhh now, he's a Tory and deserves slandering and hanging out to dry!... If he'd been a pro EU voting liberal he'd probably be allowed to say he thinks homosexuality is wrong and sinful without having the forum pitchforks out
I'm surprised they haven't blamed the Russians. "Awaiting to see if a certain antivirus product was installed | |||
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"To be fair - Heavily criticising a guy who may or may not have logged onto a porn site Seems a bit rich when you are criticising him from a forum on a porn site Oh! The irony! tend to disagree, most people who are on here will not be at work.. the guy is an MP, therefore the public has a right to expect that as a public sector employee he or others for that fact are not sat watching porn at work.. a nurse, police officer, firefighter, judge etc would be held to account where they to be in that position.. it should have been flagged up at the time when it was found to the relevant body to sanction it but why wasn't it? any other workplace it would or one would expect it to be.. I'm not a supporter of any of your political parties, so I have no political bias I just think it's a bit hypocritical to slag a guy off for looking at porn and doing it on a porn site forum If he is guilty you would assume the police would have taken a copy of the hard drive? And it would be an open and shut case " would it be ok to have a view if we were on 'mum's net'? i think its total nonsense to think that people who are on here should not have a any views on any matters related to what they enjoy on here.. people by and large are able to differentiate between here and 'out there'.. some will do so daily as professionals.. | |||
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"The people under investigation in this case should be the police officers involved . We have one former office whose wife ran a private hire business and anothè office who appears to be guilty of theft by retaining notes made during a confidential investigation. Maybe if we terminated the pension payments of these officers it might make them behave in a more respnsible manner in future . They have no interest in fighting crime otherwise they would not be commenting on an issue such as this. An MP is judged on what they achieve , not on what they use their for . " Private hire business....and theft wtf you on | |||
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"The people under investigation in this case should be the police officers involved . We have one former office whose wife ran a private hire business and anothè office who appears to be guilty of theft by retaining notes made during a confidential investigation. Maybe if we terminated the pension payments of these officers it might make them behave in a more respnsible manner in future . They have no interest in fighting crime otherwise they would not be commenting on an issue such as this. An MP is judged on what they achieve , not on what they use their for . Private hire business....and theft wtf you on "Yes, obviously never trust a man who's wife is a taxi driver. Well known saying that one!? | |||
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"The people under investigation in this case should be the police officers involved . We have one former office whose wife ran a private hire business and anothè office who appears to be guilty of theft by retaining notes made during a confidential investigation. Maybe if we terminated the pension payments of these officers it might make them behave in a more respnsible manner in future . They have no interest in fighting crime otherwise they would not be commenting on an issue such as this. An MP is judged on what they achieve , not on what they use their for . " you lost the plot? what does the business activities of someones spouse have to do with this, its totally unrelated.. you also need to do some of your infamous 'research' too.. theft? oh yes and also take a minute to look at the conditions relating to an employees workplace pension scheme.. | |||
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"To be fair - Heavily criticising a guy who may or may not have logged onto a porn site Seems a bit rich when you are criticising him from a forum on a porn site Oh! The irony! tend to disagree, most people who are on here will not be at work.. the guy is an MP, therefore the public has a right to expect that as a public sector employee he or others for that fact are not sat watching porn at work.. a nurse, police officer, firefighter, judge etc would be held to account where they to be in that position.. it should have been flagged up at the time when it was found to the relevant body to sanction it but why wasn't it? any other workplace it would or one would expect it to be.. I'm not a supporter of any of your political parties, so I have no political bias I just think it's a bit hypocritical to slag a guy off for looking at porn and doing it on a porn site forum If he is guilty you would assume the police would have taken a copy of the hard drive? And it would be an open and shut case would it be ok to have a view if we were on 'mum's net'? i think its total nonsense to think that people who are on here should not have a any views on any matters related to what they enjoy on here.. people by and large are able to differentiate between here and 'out there'.. some will do so daily as professionals.. " . I don't like green, he's a smarmy bastard.... That being said, there's probably 1000s of people on here who work for the gov in one form or another, I'm pretty most of them at one time or another will have logged on to fab "dirty pics". If this case had merit, the cops should be done for not investigating it at the time, if doesn't have merit the cops should be done for meddling | |||
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"For its worth, here's my opinion. Did Green look at porn back in 2008? Most likely. Why is it being brought up now? Ulterior motives, probably. Should he go without proof? Probaly not. Is is it worth major core disruption, right in the middle of brexit negotiations? No. Is it in the national interest for two central figures to go? No. Is it all good sport for those with purely party political motives? Yes. Would I cae under other circumstances? No. " I'd add that it is also inappropriate for information in a police investigation to be released when there was no illegal activity and not pertinent to that investigation. That is what prevents police fishing exercises. It's an important principle because everyone has petty but embarrassing secrets that the police should not be free to use as leverage. | |||
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"To be fair - Heavily criticising a guy who may or may not have logged onto a porn site Seems a bit rich when you are criticising him from a forum on a porn site Oh! The irony! tend to disagree, most people who are on here will not be at work.. the guy is an MP, therefore the public has a right to expect that as a public sector employee he or others for that fact are not sat watching porn at work.. a nurse, police officer, firefighter, judge etc would be held to account where they to be in that position.. it should have been flagged up at the time when it was found to the relevant body to sanction it but why wasn't it? any other workplace it would or one would expect it to be.. I'm not a supporter of any of your political parties, so I have no political bias I just think it's a bit hypocritical to slag a guy off for looking at porn and doing it on a porn site forum If he is guilty you would assume the police would have taken a copy of the hard drive? And it would be an open and shut case would it be ok to have a view if we were on 'mum's net'? i think its total nonsense to think that people who are on here should not have a any views on any matters related to what they enjoy on here.. people by and large are able to differentiate between here and 'out there'.. some will do so daily as professionals.. . I don't like green, he's a smarmy bastard.... That being said, there's probably 1000s of people on here who work for the gov in one form or another, I'm pretty most of them at one time or another will have logged on to fab "dirty pics". If this case had merit, the cops should be done for not investigating it at the time, if doesn't have merit the cops should be done for meddling" think the numbers would be fairly low given most will use their personal phone, but its still not what your there for and being paid to do.. do wonder just who when told at the time took the decision that this was not an issue or then again maybe it was flagged up to whomever or just swept under the carpet.. | |||
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"For its worth, here's my opinion. Did Green look at porn back in 2008? Most likely. Why is it being brought up now? Ulterior motives, probably. Should he go without proof? Probaly not. Is is it worth major core disruption, right in the middle of brexit negotiations? No. Is it in the national interest for two central figures to go? No. Is it all good sport for those with purely party political motives? Yes. Would I cae under other circumstances? No. I'd add that it is also inappropriate for information in a police investigation to be released when there was no illegal activity and not pertinent to that investigation. That is what prevents police fishing exercises. It's an important principle because everyone has petty but embarrassing secrets that the police should not be free to use as leverage." The 2 former police offices look like they might be charged with releasing this information....which actually could be a good or bad thing on how you look at it when and if it gets to court | |||
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"Now we just need to see if Favid Davis is a man of his word and that will be 2 in quick succession." David Davis lol | |||
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"Indeed. So much for police confidentiality. WTF! MP has thousands of porn photos on his House of Commons PC in 2008 and not only is he not sacked but he gets to stand for reelection 3 times when anyone other than an MP would have been fired on the spot and escorted off their employers premises! And your concerned with police probity! Take your head out of your arse, the thing you should be outraged about is that it has taken a retired police officer nearly 10 years to make this public and that the Tories are still trying to cover it up! Our lawmakers should be held to a higher moral standard than the rest of us not a lower one! And our police should expose wrongdoing by the rich and powerful not cover it up! Sorry to have shocked you but actually I am concerned about police probity. So should all of us. The police didn't pursue the matter at the time nor did they tell Mr Green about it. Because it wasn't illegal and had nothing to do with the case they were investigating. The retired officer in question has said he can't be sure it was Damian Green who accessed the pornography. Did it get covered up by the Tories as you claim? I don't know. I'm not going to join in the mob to hang him until I see more evidence. As for expecting lawmakers to have higher moral standards it depends on the baseline you start from." Sorry Scrabble, but they did discuss it with Green and his lawyers at the time, and again in 2013. He was found to be lying when he said they didn't, and that he hasn't known anything about it. | |||
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"The people under investigation in this case should be the police officers involved . We have one former office whose wife ran a private hire business and anothè office who appears to be guilty of theft by retaining notes made during a confidential investigation. Maybe if we terminated the pension payments of these officers it might make them behave in a more respnsible manner in future . They have no interest in fighting crime otherwise they would not be commenting on an issue such as this. An MP is judged on what they achieve , not on what they use their for . " No Pat, Cabinet Ministers are judged on their ability to tell the truth. | |||
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"Indeed. So much for police confidentiality. WTF! MP has thousands of porn photos on his House of Commons PC in 2008 and not only is he not sacked but he gets to stand for reelection 3 times when anyone other than an MP would have been fired on the spot and escorted off their employers premises! And your concerned with police probity! Take your head out of your arse, the thing you should be outraged about is that it has taken a retired police officer nearly 10 years to make this public and that the Tories are still trying to cover it up! Our lawmakers should be held to a higher moral standard than the rest of us not a lower one! And our police should expose wrongdoing by the rich and powerful not cover it up! Sorry to have shocked you but actually I am concerned about police probity. So should all of us. The police didn't pursue the matter at the time nor did they tell Mr Green about it. Because it wasn't illegal and had nothing to do with the case they were investigating. The retired officer in question has said he can't be sure it was Damian Green who accessed the pornography. Did it get covered up by the Tories as you claim? I don't know. I'm not going to join in the mob to hang him until I see more evidence. As for expecting lawmakers to have higher moral standards it depends on the baseline you start from. Sorry Scrabble, but they did discuss it with Green and his lawyers at the time, and again in 2013. He was found to be lying when he said they didn't, and that he hasn't known anything about it." Thank you for pointing this out. As I said before, I wanted to see more evidence. Sorry if that is a problem! | |||
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