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"The future is less borders and not more and so I agree with the principle. Like with all forms of change though it needs to be slowly so that delicate little Nationalist snowflakes don’t get too panicky at the prospect of being “closer” to foreigners. There would’ve much to agree on beforehand including the retained powers of member states and the power of the EU itself. But all these things are achievable. " Out of interest what makes you so sure that the world will be less boarder less? America is with drawing from the world police stage which means that all those annoying theocracies might just start militarising again under nationalist tendencies. Plus we have the coming issues of automation and resource depletion, usually people become insular when faced with resource scarcity, jobs can be seen as a resource as well. So what makes you think people will not seek to 'protect their own, within their own borders?' | |||
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"I think a federal Europe would work well. Say the EU is responsible for fishing and agriculture, trade, and X Y Z. The states are responsible for everything else, defence, foreign policy etc. Nice and simple. " What if it were all centralised though? | |||
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"I think a federal Europe would work well. Say the EU is responsible for fishing and agriculture, trade, and X Y Z. The states are responsible for everything else, defence, foreign policy etc. Nice and simple. What if it were all centralised though? " What do you mean? A federalised system isn't centralised. The federal body has named areas of responsibility, and the states have everything else. | |||
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"I think a federal Europe would work well. Say the EU is responsible for fishing and agriculture, trade, and X Y Z. The states are responsible for everything else, defence, foreign policy etc. Nice and simple. What if it were all centralised though? What do you mean? A federalised system isn't centralised. The federal body has named areas of responsibility, and the states have everything else. " Yes, but what if the EU were to maximise it's jurisdiction and gave itself ability to override lets just say defence and foreign policies of a state. I mean if the aim is to have a federal europe to ensure stability and protection for the citizens of europe, then all states need to be on the same page and heading in the same direction right? And everyone needs to be contributing the proportionally correct amount of defence to collectively protect a federal EU. | |||
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"I think a federal Europe would work well. Say the EU is responsible for fishing and agriculture, trade, and X Y Z. The states are responsible for everything else, defence, foreign policy etc. Nice and simple. What if it were all centralised though? What do you mean? A federalised system isn't centralised. The federal body has named areas of responsibility, and the states have everything else. Yes, but what if the EU were to maximise it's jurisdiction and gave itself ability to override lets just say defence and foreign policies of a state. I mean if the aim is to have a federal europe to ensure stability and protection for the citizens of europe, then all states need to be on the same page and heading in the same direction right? And everyone needs to be contributing the proportionally correct amount of defence to collectively protect a federal EU." No, there is no need for it to be like that. NATO members agreed at their summit in Wales in 2014 for members to spend 2% of GDP on defence by 2020. I mean there could be a similar request for non-NATO members to agree to spend 2% of their GDP on defence, but that wouldn't have to go through the EU, in the same way that we don't give money to NATO. | |||
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"Except the US has a federally mandated minimum wage, and states set their own as well (which cannot be lower than the federal one). I don't think you've thought this through." . It's a token gesture of what 5 quid an hour?. America couldn't function as it does under EU regulations, social services and welfare. Federalism isn't about equality and never has been which is why individual states are so unequal after hundreds of years, it's about competition and productivity which is exactly why the US did so well for a long long time under federalism, alas all empires come to an end sooner or later and the USA is in its last hoorahs hence why they now spend 250 million dollars a day on conflict!. As economic models go Europe is a basket case which is why the EU is so protectionist, if it wishes to go the federalist USA route to compete it's going to have to dump it's welfare system (you only have to look to France and macrons backlash on it), Italy, Spain, Greece, Portugal, France,(and the UK) they simply cannot compete against the rise of the non welfare state countries without protectionism of the EU single market (which itself is only sticking plaster on the problem) | |||
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"Except the US has a federally mandated minimum wage, and states set their own as well (which cannot be lower than the federal one). I don't think you've thought this through.. It's a token gesture of what 5 quid an hour?. America couldn't function as it does under EU regulations, social services and welfare. Federalism isn't about equality and never has been which is why individual states are so unequal after hundreds of years, it's about competition and productivity which is exactly why the US did so well for a long long time under federalism, alas all empires come to an end sooner or later and the USA is in its last hoorahs hence why they now spend 250 million dollars a day on conflict!. As economic models go Europe is a basket case which is why the EU is so protectionist, if it wishes to go the federalist USA route to compete it's going to have to dump it's welfare system (you only have to look to France and macrons backlash on it), Italy, Spain, Greece, Portugal, France,(and the UK) they simply cannot compete against the rise of the non welfare state countries without protectionism of the EU single market (which itself is only sticking plaster on the problem)" Economically, high productivity can be paid for in one of two ways. 1. Those without high skills have ultra low wages and zero job security. In fact even those with skills have zero job security. The consequence is high income disparity and low social mobility. It's cheap for the state though. 2. Those without skills don't work and are subsidised by the state. Higher incomes for those in and out of work and much better job security. Expensive for the state. Some countries deal with the jobless better and pump money into education and retraining like Germany. Others like the UK shut inefficient industries and wonder why people are upset when they have nothing to do. A federal Europe would need to standardise a lot more, but that would also mean taxing to pay for the education. Decisions, decisions  | |||
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"Except the US has a federally mandated minimum wage, and states set their own as well (which cannot be lower than the federal one). I don't think you've thought this through.. It's a token gesture of what 5 quid an hour?. America couldn't function as it does under EU regulations, social services and welfare. Federalism isn't about equality and never has been which is why individual states are so unequal after hundreds of years, it's about competition and productivity which is exactly why the US did so well for a long long time under federalism, alas all empires come to an end sooner or later and the USA is in its last hoorahs hence why they now spend 250 million dollars a day on conflict!. As economic models go Europe is a basket case which is why the EU is so protectionist, if it wishes to go the federalist USA route to compete it's going to have to dump it's welfare system (you only have to look to France and macrons backlash on it), Italy, Spain, Greece, Portugal, France,(and the UK) they simply cannot compete against the rise of the non welfare state countries without protectionism of the EU single market (which itself is only sticking plaster on the problem) Economically, high productivity can be paid for in one of two ways. 1. Those without high skills have ultra low wages and zero job security. In fact even those with skills have zero job security. The consequence is high income disparity and low social mobility. It's cheap for the state though. 2. Those without skills don't work and are subsidised by the state. Higher incomes for those in and out of work and much better job security. Expensive for the state. Some countries deal with the jobless better and pump money into education and retraining like Germany. Others like the UK shut inefficient industries and wonder why people are upset when they have nothing to do. A federal Europe would need to standardise a lot more, but that would also mean taxing to pay for the education. Decisions, decisions "Capitalism ain't perfect but it's the best we've got, let's just get back to it. The state can fill in where capitalism has failures like the USA did in the great depression but the idea that the state can "look after everybody" is nonsense. Let's get back to decent union representation to fight wage inequality and high taxation not to actually raise tax but to force capitalism into capitalism, and zero taxation to encourage it to go where we think it's best!.. It's really not rocket science but the very first thing we need to do is stop this lobbying of politicians!. No business or money should buy anymore influence than a single voter gets in a surgery | |||
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"That's a unique and wrong interpretation of, well, pretty much everything." . Says the man who absolutely told me how shit an investment bitcoin is!! .
£8000 pounds today! 
See your problem is... You really don't know how to interpret market forces and the actions and redactions upon them!. | |||
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"That's a unique and wrong interpretation of, well, pretty much everything.. Says the man who absolutely told me how shit an investment bitcoin is!! .
£8000 pounds today!
See your problem is... You really don't know how to interpret market forces and the actions and redactions upon them!."Well, sounds like you should cash out. Have fun with that. | |||
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"That's a unique and wrong interpretation of, well, pretty much everything." Why's that then? | |||
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"That's a unique and wrong interpretation of, well, pretty much everything.. Says the man who absolutely told me how shit an investment bitcoin is!! .
£8000 pounds today!
See your problem is... You really don't know how to interpret market forces and the actions and redactions upon them!.
Well, sounds like you should cash out.
Have fun with that.". I told you three months ago, I'll cash out in 18 months time when they hit 50k a coin my original 5k investment will be 1.7 million by then  | |||
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"That's a unique and wrong interpretation of, well, pretty much everything. Why's that then?" See above | |||
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"That's a unique and wrong interpretation of, well, pretty much everything.. Says the man who absolutely told me how shit an investment bitcoin is!! .
£8000 pounds today!
See your problem is... You really don't know how to interpret market forces and the actions and redactions upon them!.
Well, sounds like you should cash out.
Have fun with that..
I told you three months ago, I'll cash out in 18 months time when they hit 50k a coin my original 5k investment will be 1.7 million by then "Once again, best of luck. | |||
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"That's a unique and wrong interpretation of, well, pretty much everything.. Says the man who absolutely told me how shit an investment bitcoin is!! .
£8000 pounds today!
See your problem is... You really don't know how to interpret market forces and the actions and redactions upon them!.
Well, sounds like you should cash out.
Have fun with that..
I told you three months ago, I'll cash out in 18 months time when they hit 50k a coin my original 5k investment will be 1.7 million by then
Once again, best of luck.". No luck needed, it's called #listening to people. You wanna try in some day, you might learn something instead of doing #yeahbutnobutyeah  | |||
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"That's a unique and wrong interpretation of, well, pretty much everything. Why's that then? See above" Oh, you weren't referring to me then? You were just continuing your feud? | |||
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"That's a unique and wrong interpretation of, well, pretty much everything.. Says the man who absolutely told me how shit an investment bitcoin is!! .
£8000 pounds today!
See your problem is... You really don't know how to interpret market forces and the actions and redactions upon them!."Yes, but hindsight is a wonderful thing, isn't it. I mean, Bitcoin has gone up about 1,700% in the past 12 months. But XRP has gone up 4,000% in the same time. If you had a crystal ball you'd already be sat on millions with the same investment if you'd invested in that instead. -Matt | |||
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"That's a unique and wrong interpretation of, well, pretty much everything. Why's that then? See above Oh, you weren't referring to me then? You were just continuing your feud? "Hardly. The premise is flawed, I pointed out why above. If you want to continue down this line of inquiry, feel free. | |||
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"That's a unique and wrong interpretation of, well, pretty much everything.. Says the man who absolutely told me how shit an investment bitcoin is!! .
£8000 pounds today!
See your problem is... You really don't know how to interpret market forces and the actions and redactions upon them!.
Well, sounds like you should cash out.
Have fun with that."How do you cash out of a ponzi scheme? I thought the aim of the game was to tell more and more people what a wonderful investment it is? | |||
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"That's a unique and wrong interpretation of, well, pretty much everything. Why's that then? See above Oh, you weren't referring to me then? You were just continuing your feud?
Hardly.
The premise is flawed, I pointed out why above.
If you want to continue down this line of inquiry, feel free."What premise are you talking about? The causes and consequences of high productivity? You can go ahead and be as imperious as you like, but it only works if the subject of your disdain knows what you're talking about  | |||
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"That's a unique and wrong interpretation of, well, pretty much everything. Why's that then? See above Oh, you weren't referring to me then? You were just continuing your feud?
Hardly.
The premise is flawed, I pointed out why above.
If you want to continue down this line of inquiry, feel free.
What premise are you talking about?
The causes and consequences of high productivity?
You can go ahead and be as imperious as you like, but it only works if the subject of your disdain knows what you're talking about "Certainly the alleged causes of Americas productivity. And no need to feign ignorance, it's a woeful waste of your time. | |||
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"Is there an award for the people's most difficult man? " President of the United States, by the look of things. | |||
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"Is there an award for the people's most difficult man? President of the United States, by the look of things." Nail on the head. Although technically he may be " world's most difficult man baby " | |||
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"That's a unique and wrong interpretation of, well, pretty much everything. Why's that then? See above Oh, you weren't referring to me then? You were just continuing your feud?
Hardly.
The premise is flawed, I pointed out why above.
If you want to continue down this line of inquiry, feel free.
What premise are you talking about?
The causes and consequences of high productivity?
You can go ahead and be as imperious as you like, but it only works if the subject of your disdain knows what you're talking about
Certainly the alleged causes of Americas productivity.
And no need to feign ignorance, it's a woeful waste of your time."So you don't think that it's because they substitute investment in automation for wages and job security and healthcare etc? Super. How do they do it and how does it differ from Germany or France or Korea or Japan? | |||
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"That's a unique and wrong interpretation of, well, pretty much everything. Why's that then? See above Oh, you weren't referring to me then? You were just continuing your feud?
Hardly.
The premise is flawed, I pointed out why above.
If you want to continue down this line of inquiry, feel free.
What premise are you talking about?
The causes and consequences of high productivity?
You can go ahead and be as imperious as you like, but it only works if the subject of your disdain knows what you're talking about
Certainly the alleged causes of Americas productivity.
And no need to feign ignorance, it's a woeful waste of your time.
So you don't think that it's because they substitute investment in automation for wages and job security and healthcare etc?
Super. How do they do it and how does it differ from Germany or France or Korea or Japan?". #demonjohnsays  | |||
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"To be clear, I'm not a fan of a federal Europe. I could be a fan of a united Europe as the UK used to be. Several nations making one sovereign state, one tax rate, one vat rate, one currency, one monetary policy, one fiscal policy, one border, one parliament" Agreed, a united europe could work. You have to convince a lot of individuals in each nation that it is better than competing with one snother though | |||
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"To be clear, I'm not a fan of a federal Europe. I could be a fan of a united Europe as the UK used to be. Several nations making one sovereign state, one tax rate, one vat rate, one currency, one monetary policy, one fiscal policy, one border, one parliament Agreed, a united europe could work. You have to convince a lot of individuals in each nation that it is better than competing with one snother though " . I like level playing fields, what you do with your chances after that is your own making | |||
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"I don't want to be part of a Federal Europe. An EEC type body, fair enough, but no further. We can be close and co-operate, but we don't need a federal government. Which as it grows, our personal stake in democracy diminishes." That's one of the key features of a federal government, it doesn't grow! It has specified areas of responsibility, and everything else is left to the federated states. | |||
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"I don't want to be part of a Federal Europe. An EEC type body, fair enough, but no further. We can be close and co-operate, but we don't need a federal government. Which as it grows, our personal stake in democracy diminishes. That's one of the key features of a federal government, it doesn't grow! It has specified areas of responsibility, and everything else is left to the federated states. " What about the EU aim of growing into Turkey and probably Ukraine? | |||
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"I don't want to be part of a Federal Europe. An EEC type body, fair enough, but no further. We can be close and co-operate, but we don't need a federal government. Which as it grows, our personal stake in democracy diminishes. That's one of the key features of a federal government, it doesn't grow! It has specified areas of responsibility, and everything else is left to the federated states. What about the EU aim of growing into Turkey and probably Ukraine?" The EU isn't a federal system. | |||
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"I don't want to be part of a Federal Europe. An EEC type body, fair enough, but no further. We can be close and co-operate, but we don't need a federal government. Which as it grows, our personal stake in democracy diminishes. That's one of the key features of a federal government, it doesn't grow! It has specified areas of responsibility, and everything else is left to the federated states. What about the EU aim of growing into Turkey and probably Ukraine? The EU isn't a federal system. " In effect it is, but the word is shied away from. The eu has regulatory and law making powers. As it grows, our democratic say, shrinks. You can phrase it how you wish. But the OP is about being part of a federal europe or not. | |||
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"I don't want to be part of a Federal Europe. An EEC type body, fair enough, but no further. We can be close and co-operate, but we don't need a federal government. Which as it grows, our personal stake in democracy diminishes. That's one of the key features of a federal government, it doesn't grow! It has specified areas of responsibility, and everything else is left to the federated states. What about the EU aim of growing into Turkey and probably Ukraine? The EU isn't a federal system. In effect it is, but the word is shied away from. The eu has regulatory and law making powers. As it grows, our democratic say, shrinks. You can phrase it how you wish. But the OP is about being part of a federal europe or not." No, the EU isn't a federal system at all. You say you were happy with the EEC, yet the role and responsibility of the EU has changed significantly since then. It has changed precisely becuase it is not a federal system. A federal system limits the power of the federal government to specific spheres of influence, and the federated states are left everything else. Had the EEC been a federal system, it wouldn't have been able to grow into the EU of today. To take just one example, there would be no Euro. Currency and a centralised bank wouldn't have been a function of a federal EEC, therefore it would have been solely the responsibility of the member states. To say that because the EU has law making and regulatory powers, it must therfore be a federal system of government, shows a true ignorance of what a federal system is. The British Government has regulatory and law making powers, yet is not a federal system at all. With regards to your other point, a federal system does not limit territorial expansion, but neither do other systems of government. The US has greatly increased it's territory under a federal system, yet the functions of the federal government are enshrined in the constitution and can only be amended by a super majority from the representatives of the states. | |||
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"I don't want to be part of a Federal Europe. An EEC type body, fair enough, but no further. We can be close and co-operate, but we don't need a federal government. Which as it grows, our personal stake in democracy diminishes. That's one of the key features of a federal government, it doesn't grow! It has specified areas of responsibility, and everything else is left to the federated states. What about the EU aim of growing into Turkey and probably Ukraine? The EU isn't a federal system. In effect it is, but the word is shied away from. The eu has regulatory and law making powers. As it grows, our democratic say, shrinks. You can phrase it how you wish. But the OP is about being part of a federal europe or not. No, the EU isn't a federal system at all. You say you were happy with the EEC, yet the role and responsibility of the EU has changed significantly since then. It has changed precisely becuase it is not a federal system. A federal system limits the power of the federal government to specific spheres of influence, and the federated states are left everything else. Had the EEC been a federal system, it wouldn't have been able to grow into the EU of today. To take just one example, there would be no Euro. Currency and a centralised bank wouldn't have been a function of a federal EEC, therefore it would have been solely the responsibility of the member states. To say that because the EU has law making and regulatory powers, it must therfore be a federal system of government, shows a true ignorance of what a federal system is. The British Government has regulatory and law making powers, yet is not a federal system at all. With regards to your other point, a federal system does not limit territorial expansion, but neither do other systems of government. The US has greatly increased it's territory under a federal system, yet the functions of the federal government are enshrined in the constitution and can only be amended by a super majority from the representatives of the states. " . The USA has been with and without a central Bank while being a federal state, in fact "the fed" was only created around 1915ish by Woodrow Wilson. It was long argued over history by lots on the pros and cons of a federalised monetary system | |||
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"That's a unique and wrong interpretation of, well, pretty much everything. Why's that then? See above Oh, you weren't referring to me then? You were just continuing your feud?
Hardly.
The premise is flawed, I pointed out why above.
If you want to continue down this line of inquiry, feel free.
What premise are you talking about?
The causes and consequences of high productivity?
You can go ahead and be as imperious as you like, but it only works if the subject of your disdain knows what you're talking about
Certainly the alleged causes of Americas productivity.
And no need to feign ignorance, it's a woeful waste of your time.
So you don't think that it's because they substitute investment in automation for wages and job security and healthcare etc?
Super. How do they do it and how does it differ from Germany or France or Korea or Japan?"As I said, and as you can plainly read if you put the barest of effort in, the reasons given as to why the states was so "productive" was no minimum wage and less bureaucracy than the EU. Both are demonstratively false statements, so the premise that they are built on is wrong. | |||
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" To say that because the EU has law making and regulatory powers, it must therfore be a federal system of government, shows a true ignorance of what a federal system is. The British Government has regulatory and law making powers, yet is not a federal system at all. With regards to your other point, a federal system does not limit territorial expansion, but neither do other systems of government. The US has greatly increased it's territory under a federal system, yet the functions of the federal government are enshrined in the constitution and can only be amended by a super majority from the representatives of the states. " No, as usual you try to twist. I know our parliament isn't federal. Your post was making out eu just had some admin type role, which clearly is untrue. The eu has law making powers. It has a parliament. It has a president. Lots of people don't want to be part of that. You can call it what you want, but the eu is expansionist. As it does so, our say within diminishes proportionally with its increase. It is federal in nature, but like you, hides the name as it is unpopular. | |||
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" To say that because the EU has law making and regulatory powers, it must therfore be a federal system of government, shows a true ignorance of what a federal system is. The British Government has regulatory and law making powers, yet is not a federal system at all. With regards to your other point, a federal system does not limit territorial expansion, but neither do other systems of government. The US has greatly increased it's territory under a federal system, yet the functions of the federal government are enshrined in the constitution and can only be amended by a super majority from the representatives of the states. No, as usual you try to twist. I know our parliament isn't federal. Your post was making out eu just had some admin type role, which clearly is untrue. The eu has law making powers. It has a parliament. It has a president. Lots of people don't want to be part of that. You can call it what you want, but the eu is expansionist. As it does so, our say within diminishes proportionally with its increase. It is federal in nature, but like you, hides the name as it is unpopular." I have never said that EU is purely administrative, all I said was it's not federal. It's not! Being expansionist and being federal are not mutually exclusive, as has been pointed out to you with the example of America. Why dont you list the characteristics of the EU that you think defines it as a federal system, and we can compare those characteristics to other federal systems? It's only unpopular with people who don't undertand what a federal system actually means. You shouldn't be scared of words you don't understand. | |||
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" To say that because the EU has law making and regulatory powers, it must therfore be a federal system of government, shows a true ignorance of what a federal system is. The British Government has regulatory and law making powers, yet is not a federal system at all. With regards to your other point, a federal system does not limit territorial expansion, but neither do other systems of government. The US has greatly increased it's territory under a federal system, yet the functions of the federal government are enshrined in the constitution and can only be amended by a super majority from the representatives of the states. No, as usual you try to twist. I know our parliament isn't federal. Your post was making out eu just had some admin type role, which clearly is untrue. The eu has law making powers. It has a parliament. It has a president. Lots of people don't want to be part of that. You can call it what you want, but the eu is expansionist. As it does so, our say within diminishes proportionally with its increase. It is federal in nature, but like you, hides the name as it is unpopular. I have never said that EU is purely administrative, all I said was it's not federal. It's not! Being expansionist and being federal are not mutually exclusive, as has been pointed out to you with the example of America. Why dont you list the characteristics of the EU that you think defines it as a federal system, and we can compare those characteristics to other federal systems? It's only unpopular with people who don't undertand what a federal system actually means. You shouldn't be scared of words you don't understand. " Thanks for the usual patronising style. Actually it's just unpopular. I don't like the eu council, an eu parliament, an eu president or the eu expansionist policies. I don't particularly care if you call them federal or not. You keep busy with the trainspotters definition of federalism, we'll get on with leaving it. | |||
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" To say that because the EU has law making and regulatory powers, it must therfore be a federal system of government, shows a true ignorance of what a federal system is. The British Government has regulatory and law making powers, yet is not a federal system at all. With regards to your other point, a federal system does not limit territorial expansion, but neither do other systems of government. The US has greatly increased it's territory under a federal system, yet the functions of the federal government are enshrined in the constitution and can only be amended by a super majority from the representatives of the states. No, as usual you try to twist. I know our parliament isn't federal. Your post was making out eu just had some admin type role, which clearly is untrue. The eu has law making powers. It has a parliament. It has a president. Lots of people don't want to be part of that. You can call it what you want, but the eu is expansionist. As it does so, our say within diminishes proportionally with its increase. It is federal in nature, but like you, hides the name as it is unpopular. I have never said that EU is purely administrative, all I said was it's not federal. It's not! Being expansionist and being federal are not mutually exclusive, as has been pointed out to you with the example of America. Why dont you list the characteristics of the EU that you think defines it as a federal system, and we can compare those characteristics to other federal systems? It's only unpopular with people who don't undertand what a federal system actually means. You shouldn't be scared of words you don't understand. Thanks for the usual patronising style. Actually it's just unpopular. I don't like the eu council, an eu parliament, an eu president or the eu expansionist policies. I don't particularly care if you call them federal or not. You keep busy with the trainspotters definition of federalism, we'll get on with leaving it." Right, lets look at those then: The European Council - Heads of State/Government of member countries, and two representatives from the EU. Nothing to do with federalism, cannot be found replicated in any federal system around the world. European Parliament - Elected MEPs from member states. All democratic parliamentary systems have elected members, the UK certainly does, yet we are not a federal state. The UK however is a bicameral system, much like the US, where as the European Parliament is a unicameral system, more akin to Israel or New Zealand. A unicameral elected parliament is not a feature unique to a federalist state. EU President - America had a President and is federal, France has a President and isn’t federal, therefore a President is not a feature unique to federalism. Expansionism - America went from 13 states to 50 under a federal system. China is a unitary system which expanded into Tibet, therefore expansionism is not a feature unique to federalism. There are many federal systems, The US, India, Canada, Australia, Germany, Brazil etc. There is nothing inherently bad or evil as you are trying to portray. | |||
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" There are many federal systems, The US, India, Canada, Australia, Germany, Brazil etc. There is nothing inherently bad or evil as you are trying to portray. Where did I portray it as bad or evil exactly? Can you quote it in please. " You have portrayed it in all of your posts. You have also shown your ignorance of what federal systems are, as every characteristic you have named so far has been proven not to be a characteristic of a federal system. The biggest irony, is that you would have been happier had the EU been an federal system! | |||
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" There are many federal systems, The US, India, Canada, Australia, Germany, Brazil etc. There is nothing inherently bad or evil as you are trying to portray. Where did I portray it as bad or evil exactly? Can you quote it in please. You have portrayed it in all of your posts. You have also shown your ignorance of what federal systems are, as every characteristic you have named so far has been proven not to be a characteristic of a federal system. The biggest irony, is that you would have been happier had the EU been an federal system! " Where did I portray it as evil?????? Just paste it in, and you can have a clever-boy star. | |||
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" There are many federal systems, The US, India, Canada, Australia, Germany, Brazil etc. There is nothing inherently bad or evil as you are trying to portray. Where did I portray it as bad or evil exactly? Can you quote it in please. You have portrayed it in all of your posts. You have also shown your ignorance of what federal systems are, as every characteristic you have named so far has been proven not to be a characteristic of a federal system. The biggest irony, is that you would have been happier had the EU been an federal system! " But where have they said it's evil? Please provide the quote like they asked you to.... | |||
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" There are many federal systems, The US, India, Canada, Australia, Germany, Brazil etc. There is nothing inherently bad or evil as you are trying to portray. Where did I portray it as bad or evil exactly? Can you quote it in please. You have portrayed it in all of your posts. You have also shown your ignorance of what federal systems are, as every characteristic you have named so far has been proven not to be a characteristic of a federal system. The biggest irony, is that you would have been happier had the EU been an federal system! But where have they said it's evil? Please provide the quote like they asked you to...." He can't because I didn't. I wouldn't have said it because i don't think it. I just don't want to be part of the eurpoean project, the way it is going. The semantics and word twisting is just a cover, as a diversion, as he normally does. | |||
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"#yeahbutnobutyeah" Where makes you think that I think that you think that you believe that you don't not believe that we may or may not possibly find that to be not uninteresting and uncompelling and why should it matter what you the liege that you think about compellingness. You are wrong anyway Because I said so | |||
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"So in the last 2 and a half years, amidst the brext referendum build up and fallout of the vote, we've had discussions, on here and nationally/internationally about the future of the EU and whether it is, or will go down a federalist route, similar to the US. We have as such, had people screaming things such as "It just wont work" or "we might as well because it is inevitable." Or the worst "We voted leave so it doesn't matter now does it!?" So obviously this post will at points turn into a shouting match, but if you are pro, against or weighing up the advantages vs disadvantages of a federal Europe, what points persuade you or make you thing differently. I'm still undecided. A major issue that makes me question whether federalism in the style o the US, applied to the EU, would work, is 'can you have countries with the skills and infrastructure of Germany, interconnected with that of Greece and the old Soviet bloc.?" Culture and language issues do not bother me, language is just a vector for the exchange of information and people will find ways around it as need be, and I view all of modern Europe as been generally of the same culture. However, part of me also agrees with the idea. The age of the 'Pax Americana' as it were, is coming to an end. The US has its own infrastructure issues, debt, and the people do not wish to be the world police anymore. Any future president is likely to do what Trump has done and will tap into this. As such, America is likely to make it clear that other nations must be more self determined or contribute more in the way of multilateral, global assistance. So, as China spreads it's influence rapidly to Africa, and Russia continues to be a thorn in global affairs, does Europe need to be a unified block for stability? Do the people of Europe need a unified state for the purpose of keeping them safe? Or is there an alternative. If it is not clear already, I expect thought out points, not one liners." No !!! The difference is , China , Russia , USA are all single countries ! If EU had its way and became one ! , thier would be a break up and possible wars i.e. Ukraine / Russia as Country's Re Sort thier Independance ! We are getting out , tho too slowly ! Just in Time ! | |||
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"That's a unique and wrong interpretation of, well, pretty much everything. Why's that then? See above Oh, you weren't referring to me then? You were just continuing your feud?
Hardly.
The premise is flawed, I pointed out why above.
If you want to continue down this line of inquiry, feel free.
What premise are you talking about?
The causes and consequences of high productivity?
You can go ahead and be as imperious as you like, but it only works if the subject of your disdain knows what you're talking about
Certainly the alleged causes of Americas productivity.
And no need to feign ignorance, it's a woeful waste of your time.
So you don't think that it's because they substitute investment in automation for wages and job security and healthcare etc?
Super. How do they do it and how does it differ from Germany or France or Korea or Japan?
As I said, and as you can plainly read if you put the barest of effort in, the reasons given as to why the states was so "productive" was no minimum wage and less bureaucracy than the EU.
Both are demonstratively false statements, so the premise that they are built on is wrong."...except that I did not agree with that reason. I gave two different versions of high productivity. US and European. Lovely | |||
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"#yeahbutnobutyeah Where makes you think that I think that you think that you believe that you don't not believe that we may or may not possibly find that to be not uninteresting and uncompelling and why should it matter what you the liege that you think about compellingness. You are wrong anyway Because I said so " . # | |||
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"I don't suppose either of you are capable of doing anything more substantive than being a poor man's Waldorf and Statler." . What do you mean poor man's.... My bitcoins have just hit 285k | |||
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"That's a unique and wrong interpretation of, well, pretty much everything. Why's that then? See above Oh, you weren't referring to me then? You were just continuing your feud?
Hardly.
The premise is flawed, I pointed out why above.
If you want to continue down this line of inquiry, feel free.
What premise are you talking about?
The causes and consequences of high productivity?
You can go ahead and be as imperious as you like, but it only works if the subject of your disdain knows what you're talking about
Certainly the alleged causes of Americas productivity.
And no need to feign ignorance, it's a woeful waste of your time.
So you don't think that it's because they substitute investment in automation for wages and job security and healthcare etc?
Super. How do they do it and how does it differ from Germany or France or Korea or Japan?
As I said, and as you can plainly read if you put the barest of effort in, the reasons given as to why the states was so "productive" was no minimum wage and less bureaucracy than the EU.
Both are demonstratively false statements, so the premise that they are built on is wrong.
...except that I did not agree with that reason. I gave two different versions of high productivity. US and European.
Lovely "You asked why I called the original post that attributed reasons for the US productivity to things that were false a "unique and wrong interpretation". You've had that answered multiple times. You've been confused about what you jumped into so readily from the get go, so maybe it's time to take stock and start over. | |||
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"So in the last 2 and a half years, amidst the brext referendum build up and fallout of the vote, we've had discussions, on here and nationally/internationally about the future of the EU and whether it is, or will go down a federalist route, similar to the US. We have as such, had people screaming things such as "It just wont work" or "we might as well because it is inevitable." Or the worst "We voted leave so it doesn't matter now does it!?" So obviously this post will at points turn into a shouting match, but if you are pro, against or weighing up the advantages vs disadvantages of a federal Europe, what points persuade you or make you thing differently. I'm still undecided. A major issue that makes me question whether federalism in the style o the US, applied to the EU, would work, is 'can you have countries with the skills and infrastructure of Germany, interconnected with that of Greece and the old Soviet bloc.?" Culture and language issues do not bother me, language is just a vector for the exchange of information and people will find ways around it as need be, and I view all of modern Europe as been generally of the same culture. However, part of me also agrees with the idea. The age of the 'Pax Americana' as it were, is coming to an end. The US has its own infrastructure issues, debt, and the people do not wish to be the world police anymore. Any future president is likely to do what Trump has done and will tap into this. As such, America is likely to make it clear that other nations must be more self determined or contribute more in the way of multilateral, global assistance. So, as China spreads it's influence rapidly to Africa, and Russia continues to be a thorn in global affairs, does Europe need to be a unified block for stability? Do the people of Europe need a unified state for the purpose of keeping them safe? Or is there an alternative. If it is not clear already, I expect thought out points, not one liners. No !!! The difference is , China , Russia , USA are all single countries ! If EU had its way and became one ! , thier would be a break up and possible wars i.e. Ukraine / Russia as Country's Re Sort thier Independance ! We are getting out , tho too slowly ! Just in Time !" Not true The US Is a state of states. A federation. As is Russia and China. Try again. | |||
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" There are many federal systems, The US, India, Canada, Australia, Germany, Brazil etc. There is nothing inherently bad or evil as you are trying to portray. Where did I portray it as bad or evil exactly? Can you quote it in please. You have portrayed it in all of your posts. You have also shown your ignorance of what federal systems are, as every characteristic you have named so far has been proven not to be a characteristic of a federal system. The biggest irony, is that you would have been happier had the EU been an federal system! But where have they said it's evil? Please provide the quote like they asked you to.... He can't because I didn't. I wouldn't have said it because i don't think it. I just don't want to be part of the eurpoean project, the way it is going. The semantics and word twisting is just a cover, as a diversion, as he normally does." That's how you have portrayed it in the entirety of your posts. It's not semantics or word twisting, its pretty simple. You don't understand what federalism is. You have conflated your dislike of the EU, with a system of government that you don't understand, as has been demonstrated in post after post in this thread. | |||
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" That's how you have portrayed it in the entirety of your posts. It's not semantics or word twisting, its pretty simple. You don't understand what federalism is. You have conflated your dislike of the EU, with a system of government that you don't understand, as has been demonstrated in post after post in this thread." I don't dislike the eu, I just don't want to be in it. Are you going to quote where I portrayed them as being evil? If not you can just say it was an error. | |||
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" That's how you have portrayed it in the entirety of your posts. It's not semantics or word twisting, its pretty simple. You don't understand what federalism is. You have conflated your dislike of the EU, with a system of government that you don't understand, as has been demonstrated in post after post in this thread. I don't dislike the eu, I just don't want to be in it. Are you going to quote where I portrayed them as being evil? If not you can just say it was an error." Thats how your posts come across, if thats not how you want your posts to be interpreted, I suggest you are a little more discerning with your use of language. However I think this post has highlighted your trouble with language. | |||
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" That's how you have portrayed it in the entirety of your posts. It's not semantics or word twisting, its pretty simple. You don't understand what federalism is. You have conflated your dislike of the EU, with a system of government that you don't understand, as has been demonstrated in post after post in this thread. I don't dislike the eu, I just don't want to be in it. Are you going to quote where I portrayed them as being evil? If not you can just say it was an error. Thats how your posts come across, if thats not how you want your posts to be interpreted, I suggest you are a little more discerning with your use of language. However I think this post has highlighted your trouble with language." Copy the post where my use of language implied in any way they are evil. | |||
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" That's how you have portrayed it in the entirety of your posts. It's not semantics or word twisting, its pretty simple. You don't understand what federalism is. You have conflated your dislike of the EU, with a system of government that you don't understand, as has been demonstrated in post after post in this thread. I don't dislike the eu, I just don't want to be in it. Are you going to quote where I portrayed them as being evil? If not you can just say it was an error. Thats how your posts come across, if thats not how you want your posts to be interpreted, I suggest you are a little more discerning with your use of language. However I think this post has highlighted your trouble with language. Copy the post where my use of language implied in any way they are evil." All of your posts above. I don't know why you find it so hard to admit that the EU isn't a federal system. I mean you could open any political textbook or political dictionary and it would explain it to you. | |||
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" Copy the post where my use of language implied in any way they are evil. All of your posts above. I don't know why you find it so hard to admit that the EU isn't a federal system. I mean you could open any political textbook or political dictionary and it would explain it to you. " Pathetic. | |||
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" Copy the post where my use of language implied in any way they are evil. All of your posts above. I don't know why you find it so hard to admit that the EU isn't a federal system. I mean you could open any political textbook or political dictionary and it would explain it to you. Pathetic." Why dont you come back to the thread once you have understood what federalism is.  | |||
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" That's how you have portrayed it in the entirety of your posts. It's not semantics or word twisting, its pretty simple. You don't understand what federalism is. You have conflated your dislike of the EU, with a system of government that you don't understand, as has been demonstrated in post after post in this thread. I don't dislike the eu, I just don't want to be in it. Are you going to quote where I portrayed them as being evil? If not you can just say it was an error. Thats how your posts come across, if thats not how you want your posts to be interpreted, I suggest you are a little more discerning with your use of language. However I think this post has highlighted your trouble with language. Copy the post where my use of language implied in any way they are evil." I just read the whole thread. Can't see you calling it evil anywhere on the whole thread. Maybe CLCC is hallucinating. | |||
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" That's how you have portrayed it in the entirety of your posts. It's not semantics or word twisting, its pretty simple. You don't understand what federalism is. You have conflated your dislike of the EU, with a system of government that you don't understand, as has been demonstrated in post after post in this thread. I don't dislike the eu, I just don't want to be in it. Are you going to quote where I portrayed them as being evil? If not you can just say it was an error. Thats how your posts come across, if thats not how you want your posts to be interpreted, I suggest you are a little more discerning with your use of language. However I think this post has highlighted your trouble with language. Copy the post where my use of language implied in any way they are evil. All of your posts above. I don't know why you find it so hard to admit that the EU isn't a federal system. I mean you could open any political textbook or political dictionary and it would explain it to you. " It's clear from the type of language people like Juncker and Tusk use that they see the EU as a federal system or moving In that direction. If the EU doesn't want to be seen in that way then they should be more discerning with their use of language. | |||
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" That's how you have portrayed it in the entirety of your posts. It's not semantics or word twisting, its pretty simple. You don't understand what federalism is. You have conflated your dislike of the EU, with a system of government that you don't understand, as has been demonstrated in post after post in this thread. I don't dislike the eu, I just don't want to be in it. Are you going to quote where I portrayed them as being evil? If not you can just say it was an error. Thats how your posts come across, if thats not how you want your posts to be interpreted, I suggest you are a little more discerning with your use of language. However I think this post has highlighted your trouble with language. Copy the post where my use of language implied in any way they are evil. All of your posts above. I don't know why you find it so hard to admit that the EU isn't a federal system. I mean you could open any political textbook or political dictionary and it would explain it to you. It's clear from the type of language people like Juncker and Tusk use that they see the EU as a federal system or moving In that direction. If the EU doesn't want to be seen in that way then they should be more discerning with their use of language. " In what way? What specific characteristics of what Juncker and Tusk say are federal in nature? I would have thought that you would have liked a federal EU as that would put limits on what the EU could do, but I guess you prefer a unitary system where the EU can continuously increase their role and responsibility? | |||
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"I really hope once the UK leave...the EU gets on with it all and prospers...without any interference from the little Englanders....and they do adopt a system like the USA....for too many years now a small minority from this country have been holding them back " Actually a majority from this country. Leave won the referendum with 52% of the vote remember. It's Remainers who are the minority here with 48%. | |||
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"I really hope once the UK leave...the EU gets on with it all and prospers...without any interference from the little Englanders....and they do adopt a system like the USA....for too many years now a small minority from this country have been holding them back Actually a majority from this country. Leave won the referendum with 52% of the vote remember. It's Remainers who are the minority here with 48%. " You still dont get it....and like it or not your'e in a minority now...and would had been if people like you had been honest...but i guess its in your make up not to be | |||
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"I really hope once the UK leave...the EU gets on with it all and prospers...without any interference from the little Englanders....and they do adopt a system like the USA....for too many years now a small minority from this country have been holding them back " its in all our interests that they do prosper as we will still be trading with them.. only a complete moron living in a semi would be so stupid to want their neighbours house to burn down or collapse because they have had issue's in the past.. then again just who will the narrow minded xenophobes blame for all their troubles and strife.. | |||
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"I really hope once the UK leave...the EU gets on with it all and prospers...without any interference from the little Englanders....and they do adopt a system like the USA....for too many years now a small minority from this country have been holding them back Actually a majority from this country. Leave won the referendum with 52% of the vote remember. It's Remainers who are the minority here with 48%. You still dont get it....and like it or not your'e in a minority now...and would had been if people like you had been honest...but i guess its in your make up not to be " The Quitters knew that they'd have to lie and lie big to get votes, so that's what they did, and the more it unravels the more they are panicking. Still they've "taken back control". Not sure what of and what to do with it mind you. | |||
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"I really hope once the UK leave...the EU gets on with it all and prospers...without any interference from the little Englanders....and they do adopt a system like the USA....for too many years now a small minority from this country have been holding them back its in all our interests that they do prosper as we will still be trading with them.. only a complete moron living in a semi would be so stupid to want their neighbours house to burn down or collapse because they have had issue's in the past.. then again just who will the narrow minded xenophobes blame for all their troubles and strife.. " Well as you have seen there are some complete morons on here and xenophobes | |||
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"I really hope once the UK leave...the EU gets on with it all and prospers...without any interference from the little Englanders....and they do adopt a system like the USA....for too many years now a small minority from this country have been holding them back its in all our interests that they do prosper as we will still be trading with them.. only a complete moron living in a semi would be so stupid to want their neighbours house to burn down or collapse because they have had issue's in the past.. then again just who will the narrow minded xenophobes blame for all their troubles and strife.. Well as you have seen there are some complete morons on here and xenophobes " What's wrong with been a little Englander as you put it ? Would you say a little Irisher , or Scotisher , or Welsher ? No ! Thought not !!! | |||
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"I think a federal Europe would work well. Say the EU is responsible for fishing and agriculture, trade, and X Y Z. The states are responsible for everything else, defence, foreign policy etc. Nice and simple. I don't think that's where the EU plan to stop, isn't there a move in Brussels to create a EU army/defence force made up of all nationalities within Europe and controlled by Europe? That's too far for my liking if true " Why wouldnt you want an EU army when the Tories are at this moment in time decimating ours and spread the cost...we have worked and seen action with some of these countries in the past in various conflicts...whats so abhorrent and it...or is it just the same old EU rhetoric ? | |||
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"I really hope once the UK leave...the EU gets on with it all and prospers...without any interference from the little Englanders....and they do adopt a system like the USA....for too many years now a small minority from this country have been holding them back its in all our interests that they do prosper as we will still be trading with them.. only a complete moron living in a semi would be so stupid to want their neighbours house to burn down or collapse because they have had issue's in the past.. then again just who will the narrow minded xenophobes blame for all their troubles and strife.. Well as you have seen there are some complete morons on here and xenophobes What's wrong with been a little Englander as you put it ? Would you say a little Irisher , or Scotisher , or Welsher ? No ! Thought not !!!" No because they dont have the same type of rhetoric as us...you have to remember we arnt the same country as we were a 100 years ago | |||
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"I think a federal Europe would work well. Say the EU is responsible for fishing and agriculture, trade, and X Y Z. The states are responsible for everything else, defence, foreign policy etc. Nice and simple. I don't think that's where the EU plan to stop, isn't there a move in Brussels to create a EU army/defence force made up of all nationalities within Europe and controlled by Europe? That's too far for my liking if true " That's because the EU isn't federal! Don't want an "EU Army"? Then you want a federal EU. Don't want an "EU Police Force"? Then you want a federal EU. Don't want an "EU Education Policy"? Then you want a federal EU. That's the funniest thing, those who say they are against a federal Europe, actually want it the most! | |||
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"I really hope once the UK leave...the EU gets on with it all and prospers...without any interference from the little Englanders....and they do adopt a system like the USA....for too many years now a small minority from this country have been holding them back its in all our interests that they do prosper as we will still be trading with them.. only a complete moron living in a semi would be so stupid to want their neighbours house to burn down or collapse because they have had issue's in the past.. then again just who will the narrow minded xenophobes blame for all their troubles and strife.. Well as you have seen there are some complete morons on here and xenophobes " Says the man who made xenophobic comments about Conservative MEP Daniel Hannan being born in another country and about his wife being a different nationality just a couple of days ago on another thread. | |||
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"I really hope once the UK leave...the EU gets on with it all and prospers...without any interference from the little Englanders....and they do adopt a system like the USA....for too many years now a small minority from this country have been holding them back its in all our interests that they do prosper as we will still be trading with them.. only a complete moron living in a semi would be so stupid to want their neighbours house to burn down or collapse because they have had issue's in the past.. then again just who will the narrow minded xenophobes blame for all their troubles and strife.. Well as you have seen there are some complete morons on here and xenophobes Says the man who made xenophobic comments about Conservative MEP Daniel Hannan being born in another country and about his wife being a different nationality just a couple of days ago on another thread. "Not quite right again from you....yet more disinformation again....i just find it strange like i said at the time...that someone not from this country would deny the same opportunities to others....really quite odd and given your views on immigrants i find it even stranger...or it is that he fits in with your twisted slant | |||
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"I really hope once the UK leave...the EU gets on with it all and prospers...without any interference from the little Englanders....and they do adopt a system like the USA....for too many years now a small minority from this country have been holding them back Actually a majority from this country. Leave won the referendum with 52% of the vote remember. It's Remainers who are the minority here with 48%. You still dont get it....and like it or not your'e in a minority now...and would had been if people like you had been honest...but i guess its in your make up not to be " Keep telling yourself that if your little fantasy helps you sleep at night. The fact is Leave won with 52% and are the majority. Remain lost and are the minority on 48%. | |||
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"I really hope once the UK leave...the EU gets on with it all and prospers...without any interference from the little Englanders....and they do adopt a system like the USA....for too many years now a small minority from this country have been holding them back Actually a majority from this country. Leave won the referendum with 52% of the vote remember. It's Remainers who are the minority here with 48%. You still dont get it....and like it or not your'e in a minority now...and would had been if people like you had been honest...but i guess its in your make up not to be Keep telling yourself that if your little fantasy helps you sleep at night. The fact is Leave won with 52% and are the majority. Remain lost and are the minority on 48%. " Theres a huge difference between you and me....one poster a few months ago nailed it about a certain person and there actions | |||
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" Copy the post where my use of language implied in any way they are evil. All of your posts above. I don't know why you find it so hard to admit that the EU isn't a federal system. I mean you could open any political textbook or political dictionary and it would explain it to you. Pathetic. Why dont you come back to the thread once you have understood what federalism is. "I'll post where I like, I don't jump to the tune of people like you. | |||
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"I really hope once the UK leave...the EU gets on with it all and prospers...without any interference from the little Englanders....and they do adopt a system like the USA....for too many years now a small minority from this country have been holding them back Actually a majority from this country. Leave won the referendum with 52% of the vote remember. It's Remainers who are the minority here with 48%. You still dont get it....and like it or not your'e in a minority now...and would had been if people like you had been honest...but i guess its in your make up not to be The Quitters knew that they'd have to lie and lie big to get votes, so that's what they did, and the more it unravels the more they are panicking. Still they've "taken back control". Not sure what of and what to do with it mind you. " Let's just brush all the lies told by the Remain campaign under the carpet then shall we. Lies remain told like "there won't be an EU army" or "more countries won't be joining you EU" or "there will be a recession within a year if the country votes Leave" and many other falsehoods peddled by the Remain camp besides. What a load of bollocks many of the claims made by Remain turned out to be. | |||
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" Copy the post where my use of language implied in any way they are evil. All of your posts above. I don't know why you find it so hard to admit that the EU isn't a federal system. I mean you could open any political textbook or political dictionary and it would explain it to you. Pathetic. Why dont you come back to the thread once you have understood what federalism is.
I'll post where I like, I don't jump to the tune of people like you."I just meant that it looks pretty daft when people post on a thread about federalism when they don't understand what federalism means. | |||
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"I think a federal Europe would work well. Say the EU is responsible for fishing and agriculture, trade, and X Y Z. The states are responsible for everything else, defence, foreign policy etc. Nice and simple. I don't think that's where the EU plan to stop, isn't there a move in Brussels to create a EU army/defence force made up of all nationalities within Europe and controlled by Europe? That's too far for my liking if true " It is for most people. Also the expansion into the likes of Ukraine and Turkey is a longer term goal that most people in the uk don't want. The eu wants more centralised power, without doubt. Their deafening silence on the snubbing of the democratic process in Catalonia, which was contrary to their ideals, is further sad evidence of that. | |||
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" Copy the post where my use of language implied in any way they are evil. All of your posts above. I don't know why you find it so hard to admit that the EU isn't a federal system. I mean you could open any political textbook or political dictionary and it would explain it to you. Pathetic. Why dont you come back to the thread once you have understood what federalism is.
I'll post where I like, I don't jump to the tune of people like you.
I just meant that it looks pretty daft when people post on a thread about federalism when they don't understand what federalism means. "Why not head back to the playground so you can do more name calling. I have no interest in your comments or opinions. | |||
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"I really hope once the UK leave...the EU gets on with it all and prospers...without any interference from the little Englanders....and they do adopt a system like the USA....for too many years now a small minority from this country have been holding them back Actually a majority from this country. Leave won the referendum with 52% of the vote remember. It's Remainers who are the minority here with 48%. You still dont get it....and like it or not your'e in a minority now...and would had been if people like you had been honest...but i guess its in your make up not to be The Quitters knew that they'd have to lie and lie big to get votes, so that's what they did, and the more it unravels the more they are panicking. Still they've "taken back control". Not sure what of and what to do with it mind you. Let's just brush all the lies told by the Remain campaign under the carpet then shall we. Lies remain told like "there won't be an EU army" or "more countries won't be joining you EU" or "there will be a recession within a year if the country votes Leave" and many other falsehoods peddled by the Remain camp besides. What a load of bollocks many of the claims made by Remain turned out to be. " The UK economy was the worst performer in the European Union in the opening months of 2017 as the Brexit vote took its toll, according to official statistics that underscore the challenge facing the next British government. With economic growth of just 0.2% in the first three months of this year, the UK was well behind its European neighbours. Official EU figures released as Britons went to the polls on Thursday showed the growth for the whole of the EU was 0.6% in the first quarter. The eurozone single currency bloc also grew 0.6% in the opening quarter, buoyed by strong domestic demand. The Eurostat figures showed every nation in the 28-member bloc reported first-quarter GDP figures growing faster than the UK. The strongest expansion was in Romania at 1.7%, followed by Latvia at 1.6% and Slovenia at 1.5%. The closest countries to the UK’s weak pace of growth were France and Greece, with GDP growing 0.4% in both. Business Today: sign up for a morning shot of financial news Read more However, in year-on-year terms the UK was closer to the EU performance and ahead of the 19-nation eurozone. After a strong second half to 2016, when the economy defied predictions of a post-referendum slump, UK GDP was still 2% bigger in the first quarter of 2017 than a year earlier. The EU’s economy was 2.1% bigger on the year while the eurozone was up 1.9%. Recent business surveys have suggested the UK economy has picked up some momentum in the second quarter after its slow start to 2017. But with higher inflation weighing on consumer spending, most forecasters expect growth to be lacklustre over 2017 as a whole and even weaker in 2018. The main pressure is expected to come from higher inflation, stemming largely from the pound’s sharp fall since the Brexit vote last year. That has made the many imported goods to the UK more expensive and been passed on to consumers. Wages meanwhile have failed to keep pace with those price rises and so workers are worse off in real terms and have been cutting back. Prospects for the 19-nation eurozone, by contrast, have brightened. Political uncertainty has diminished now France’s presidential election is out the way, unemployment has fallen, business surveys point to solid demand and a continuing recovery in the global economy could boost exports, economists say. The confirmation that the UK was the worst performer in the EU growth league in the first quarter follows news last week that it was also trailing behind the world’s advanced economies, with Canada registering stellar growth in the first three months of the year. The outlook for the UK was tough but stronger global prospects should provide some cheer, economists said. “Brexit has been partly to blame for slower UK growth, as higher prices due to lower sterling and uncertainty hit retail spending and the willingness of firms to invest,” said George Buckley, economist at the financial firm Nomura. You were saying....even the Eastern States in the EU are out performing us | |||
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"I really hope once the UK leave...the EU gets on with it all and prospers...without any interference from the little Englanders....and they do adopt a system like the USA....for too many years now a small minority from this country have been holding them back Actually a majority from this country. Leave won the referendum with 52% of the vote remember. It's Remainers who are the minority here with 48%. You still dont get it....and like it or not your'e in a minority now...and would had been if people like you had been honest...but i guess its in your make up not to be The Quitters knew that they'd have to lie and lie big to get votes, so that's what they did, and the more it unravels the more they are panicking. Still they've "taken back control". Not sure what of and what to do with it mind you. Let's just brush all the lies told by the Remain campaign under the carpet then shall we. Lies remain told like "there won't be an EU army" or "more countries won't be joining you EU" or "there will be a recession within a year if the country votes Leave" and many other falsehoods peddled by the Remain camp besides. What a load of bollocks many of the claims made by Remain turned out to be. "  there is no EU Army! Have you seen an EU soldier? What rifle do they use? Ever seen an EU Army recruiting office? No, you haven't because it doesn't exist!
How many countries have joined the EU since the referendum? 20? 10? 5? 0? Come on, tell us. How many?
The bank of england had to use £70bn of monetary policy measures to stop the recession! You argue the toss about £45-55bn being less than £50bn, but conveniently forget it has ALREADY cost the UK at LEAST £70bn in monetary policy measures already! .
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" Copy the post where my use of language implied in any way they are evil. All of your posts above. I don't know why you find it so hard to admit that the EU isn't a federal system. I mean you could open any political textbook or political dictionary and it would explain it to you. Pathetic. Why dont you come back to the thread once you have understood what federalism is.
I'll post where I like, I don't jump to the tune of people like you.
I just meant that it looks pretty daft when people post on a thread about federalism when they don't understand what federalism means.
Why not head back to the playground so you can do more name calling. I have no interest in your comments or opinions."No, I spent more time in the classroom rather than the playground. That's why I know what words mean and you dont! | |||
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"I really hope once the UK leave...the EU gets on with it all and prospers...without any interference from the little Englanders....and they do adopt a system like the USA....for too many years now a small minority from this country have been holding them back Actually a majority from this country. Leave won the referendum with 52% of the vote remember. It's Remainers who are the minority here with 48%. You still dont get it....and like it or not your'e in a minority now...and would had been if people like you had been honest...but i guess its in your make up not to be Keep telling yourself that if your little fantasy helps you sleep at night. The fact is Leave won with 52% and are the majority. Remain lost and are the minority on 48%. " Get your facts right for gods sake your like a old record yes we no the vote of the fucking referendum that was 18 months ago Mr ukipper | |||
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"I really hope once the UK leave...the EU gets on with it all and prospers...without any interference from the little Englanders....and they do adopt a system like the USA....for too many years now a small minority from this country have been holding them back Actually a majority from this country. Leave won the referendum with 52% of the vote remember. It's Remainers who are the minority here with 48%. You still dont get it....and like it or not your'e in a minority now...and would had been if people like you had been honest...but i guess its in your make up not to be The Quitters knew that they'd have to lie and lie big to get votes, so that's what they did, and the more it unravels the more they are panicking. Still they've "taken back control". Not sure what of and what to do with it mind you. Let's just brush all the lies told by the Remain campaign under the carpet then shall we. Lies remain told like "there won't be an EU army" or "more countries won't be joining you EU" or "there will be a recession within a year if the country votes Leave" and many other falsehoods peddled by the Remain camp besides. What a load of bollocks many of the claims made by Remain turned out to be. there is no EU Army! Have you seen an EU soldier? What rifle do they use? Ever seen an EU Army recruiting office? No, you haven't because it doesn't exist!
How many countries have joined the EU since the referendum? 20? 10? 5? 0? Come on, tell us. How many?
The bank of england had to use £70bn of monetary policy measures to stop the recession! You argue the toss about £45-55bn being less than £50bn, but conveniently forget it has ALREADY cost the UK at LEAST £70bn in monetary policy measures already! .
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"I really hope once the UK leave...the EU gets on with it all and prospers...without any interference from the little Englanders....and they do adopt a system like the USA....for too many years now a small minority from this country have been holding them back Actually a majority from this country. Leave won the referendum with 52% of the vote remember. It's Remainers who are the minority here with 48%. You still dont get it....and like it or not your'e in a minority now...and would had been if people like you had been honest...but i guess its in your make up not to be The Quitters knew that they'd have to lie and lie big to get votes, so that's what they did, and the more it unravels the more they are panicking. Still they've "taken back control". Not sure what of and what to do with it mind you. Let's just brush all the lies told by the Remain campaign under the carpet then shall we. Lies remain told like "there won't be an EU army" or "more countries won't be joining you EU" or "there will be a recession within a year if the country votes Leave" and many other falsehoods peddled by the Remain camp besides. What a load of bollocks many of the claims made by Remain turned out to be. The UK economy was the worst performer in the European Union in the opening months of 2017 as the Brexit vote took its toll, according to official statistics that underscore the challenge facing the next British government. With economic growth of just 0.2% in the first three months of this year, the UK was well behind its European neighbours. Official EU figures released as Britons went to the polls on Thursday showed the growth for the whole of the EU was 0.6% in the first quarter. The eurozone single currency bloc also grew 0.6% in the opening quarter, buoyed by strong domestic demand. The Eurostat figures showed every nation in the 28-member bloc reported first-quarter GDP figures growing faster than the UK. The strongest expansion was in Romania at 1.7%, followed by Latvia at 1.6% and Slovenia at 1.5%. The closest countries to the UK’s weak pace of growth were France and Greece, with GDP growing 0.4% in both. Business Today: sign up for a morning shot of financial news Read more However, in year-on-year terms the UK was closer to the EU performance and ahead of the 19-nation eurozone. After a strong second half to 2016, when the economy defied predictions of a post-referendum slump, UK GDP was still 2% bigger in the first quarter of 2017 than a year earlier. The EU’s economy was 2.1% bigger on the year while the eurozone was up 1.9%. Recent business surveys have suggested the UK economy has picked up some momentum in the second quarter after its slow start to 2017. But with higher inflation weighing on consumer spending, most forecasters expect growth to be lacklustre over 2017 as a whole and even weaker in 2018. The main pressure is expected to come from higher inflation, stemming largely from the pound’s sharp fall since the Brexit vote last year. That has made the many imported goods to the UK more expensive and been passed on to consumers. Wages meanwhile have failed to keep pace with those price rises and so workers are worse off in real terms and have been cutting back. Prospects for the 19-nation eurozone, by contrast, have brightened. Political uncertainty has diminished now France’s presidential election is out the way, unemployment has fallen, business surveys point to solid demand and a continuing recovery in the global economy could boost exports, economists say. The confirmation that the UK was the worst performer in the EU growth league in the first quarter follows news last week that it was also trailing behind the world’s advanced economies, with Canada registering stellar growth in the first three months of the year. The outlook for the UK was tough but stronger global prospects should provide some cheer, economists said. “Brexit has been partly to blame for slower UK growth, as higher prices due to lower sterling and uncertainty hit retail spending and the willingness of firms to invest,” said George Buckley, economist at the financial firm Nomura. You were saying....even the Eastern States in the EU are out performing us "That's just a very long Winded way of saying there has been no recession in the UK since the country voted leave. | |||
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"I really hope once the UK leave...the EU gets on with it all and prospers...without any interference from the little Englanders....and they do adopt a system like the USA....for too many years now a small minority from this country have been holding them back Actually a majority from this country. Leave won the referendum with 52% of the vote remember. It's Remainers who are the minority here with 48%. You still dont get it....and like it or not your'e in a minority now...and would had been if people like you had been honest...but i guess its in your make up not to be The Quitters knew that they'd have to lie and lie big to get votes, so that's what they did, and the more it unravels the more they are panicking. Still they've "taken back control". Not sure what of and what to do with it mind you. Let's just brush all the lies told by the Remain campaign under the carpet then shall we. Lies remain told like "there won't be an EU army" or "more countries won't be joining you EU" or "there will be a recession within a year if the country votes Leave" and many other falsehoods peddled by the Remain camp besides. What a load of bollocks many of the claims made by Remain turned out to be. there is no EU Army! Have you seen an EU soldier? What rifle do they use? Ever seen an EU Army recruiting office? No, you haven't because it doesn't exist!
How many countries have joined the EU since the referendum? 20? 10? 5? 0? Come on, tell us. How many?
The bank of england had to use £70bn of monetary policy measures to stop the recession! You argue the toss about £45-55bn being less than £50bn, but conveniently forget it has ALREADY cost the UK at LEAST £70bn in monetary policy measures already! .
"Maybe you missed Jean Claude Junckers state of the union address speech a few months ago in Brussels. He said there WILL be an EU army and more countries WILL be joining the EU. So its happening and the EU has made very clear it's going to happen. Again for all that twaddle about the money, it's just another long winded way of saying there has been no recession in the UK since the country voted Leave. | |||
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Why not head back to the playground so you can do more name calling. I have no interest in your comments or opinions.
No, I spent more time in the classroom rather than the playground. That's why I know what words mean and you dont! "You need to start your own thread about the other kids not wanting to play with you, interesting though. | |||
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"I really hope once the UK leave...the EU gets on with it all and prospers...without any interference from the little Englanders....and they do adopt a system like the USA....for too many years now a small minority from this country have been holding them back Actually a majority from this country. Leave won the referendum with 52% of the vote remember. It's Remainers who are the minority here with 48%. You still dont get it....and like it or not your'e in a minority now...and would had been if people like you had been honest...but i guess its in your make up not to be Keep telling yourself that if your little fantasy helps you sleep at night. The fact is Leave won with 52% and are the majority. Remain lost and are the minority on 48%. Get your facts right for gods sake your like a old record yes we no the vote of the fucking referendum that was 18 months ago Mr ukipper " I did get my facts right. Leave won on 52%. Remain lost on 48%. Care to explain what is factually wrong about that? | |||
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"I really hope once the UK leave...the EU gets on with it all and prospers...without any interference from the little Englanders....and they do adopt a system like the USA....for too many years now a small minority from this country have been holding them back Actually a majority from this country. Leave won the referendum with 52% of the vote remember. It's Remainers who are the minority here with 48%. You still dont get it....and like it or not your'e in a minority now...and would had been if people like you had been honest...but i guess its in your make up not to be The Quitters knew that they'd have to lie and lie big to get votes, so that's what they did, and the more it unravels the more they are panicking. Still they've "taken back control". Not sure what of and what to do with it mind you. Let's just brush all the lies told by the Remain campaign under the carpet then shall we. Lies remain told like "there won't be an EU army" or "more countries won't be joining you EU" or "there will be a recession within a year if the country votes Leave" and many other falsehoods peddled by the Remain camp besides. What a load of bollocks many of the claims made by Remain turned out to be. The UK economy was the worst performer in the European Union in the opening months of 2017 as the Brexit vote took its toll, according to official statistics that underscore the challenge facing the next British government. With economic growth of just 0.2% in the first three months of this year, the UK was well behind its European neighbours. Official EU figures released as Britons went to the polls on Thursday showed the growth for the whole of the EU was 0.6% in the first quarter. The eurozone single currency bloc also grew 0.6% in the opening quarter, buoyed by strong domestic demand. The Eurostat figures showed every nation in the 28-member bloc reported first-quarter GDP figures growing faster than the UK. The strongest expansion was in Romania at 1.7%, followed by Latvia at 1.6% and Slovenia at 1.5%. The closest countries to the UK’s weak pace of growth were France and Greece, with GDP growing 0.4% in both. Business Today: sign up for a morning shot of financial news Read more However, in year-on-year terms the UK was closer to the EU performance and ahead of the 19-nation eurozone. After a strong second half to 2016, when the economy defied predictions of a post-referendum slump, UK GDP was still 2% bigger in the first quarter of 2017 than a year earlier. The EU’s economy was 2.1% bigger on the year while the eurozone was up 1.9%. Recent business surveys have suggested the UK economy has picked up some momentum in the second quarter after its slow start to 2017. But with higher inflation weighing on consumer spending, most forecasters expect growth to be lacklustre over 2017 as a whole and even weaker in 2018. The main pressure is expected to come from higher inflation, stemming largely from the pound’s sharp fall since the Brexit vote last year. That has made the many imported goods to the UK more expensive and been passed on to consumers. Wages meanwhile have failed to keep pace with those price rises and so workers are worse off in real terms and have been cutting back. Prospects for the 19-nation eurozone, by contrast, have brightened. Political uncertainty has diminished now France’s presidential election is out the way, unemployment has fallen, business surveys point to solid demand and a continuing recovery in the global economy could boost exports, economists say. The confirmation that the UK was the worst performer in the EU growth league in the first quarter follows news last week that it was also trailing behind the world’s advanced economies, with Canada registering stellar growth in the first three months of the year. The outlook for the UK was tough but stronger global prospects should provide some cheer, economists said. “Brexit has been partly to blame for slower UK growth, as higher prices due to lower sterling and uncertainty hit retail spending and the willingness of firms to invest,” said George Buckley, economist at the financial firm Nomura. You were saying....even the Eastern States in the EU are out performing us
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Why not head back to the playground so you can do more name calling. I have no interest in your comments or opinions.
No, I spent more time in the classroom rather than the playground. That's why I know what words mean and you dont!
You need to start your own thread about the other kids not wanting to play with you, interesting though."Good job CLCC isn't like a certain poster on here or they would had reported you for a personal attack against them....no need for it really is there ? | |||
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" That's just a very long Winded way of saying there has been no recession in the UK since the country voted leave. More spin...i guess you skipped past that WE ARE the lowest performers of all the EU countries since brexit....what does that tell you Einstein "He's referring to George Osbornes warning that the country would be tipped into recession following a vote leave. 1.5% growth isn't recession. | |||
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" I just meant that it looks pretty daft when people post on a thread about federalism when they don't understand what federalism means.
Why not head back to the playground so you can do more name calling. I have no interest in your comments or opinions.
No, I spent more time in the classroom rather than the playground. That's why I know what words mean and you dont!
You need to start your own thread about the other kids not wanting to play with you, interesting though.
Good job CLCC isn't like a certain poster on here or they would had reported you for a personal attack against them....no need for it really is there ? "There was no attack on him, it's an upsetting matter. But if he was inside looking at his books instead of outside in the playground with the other kids, that shouldn't be brought up in here. There are other forums that are better for that kind of support. | |||
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" That's just a very long Winded way of saying there has been no recession in the UK since the country voted leave. More spin...i guess you skipped past that WE ARE the lowest performers of all the EU countries since brexit....what does that tell you Einstein
He's referring to George Osbornes warning that the country would be tipped into recession following a vote leave. 1.5% growth isn't recession."Well Osborne was partly right...if the BoE hadn't intervened than who knows....but theirs absolutely no way of getting away from the fact that we have gone from the fastest to to slowest growing economy in the EU in a matter of months | |||
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"I really hope once the UK leave...the EU gets on with it all and prospers...without any interference from the little Englanders....and they do adopt a system like the USA....for too many years now a small minority from this country have been holding them back Actually a majority from this country. Leave won the referendum with 52% of the vote remember. It's Remainers who are the minority here with 48%. You still dont get it....and like it or not your'e in a minority now...and would had been if people like you had been honest...but i guess its in your make up not to be Keep telling yourself that if your little fantasy helps you sleep at night. The fact is Leave won with 52% and are the majority. Remain lost and are the minority on 48%. Get your facts right for gods sake your like a old record yes we no the vote of the fucking referendum that was 18 months ago Mr ukipper I did get my facts right. Leave won on 52%. Remain lost on 48%. Care to explain what is factually wrong about that? " Do you no what read the post I never said there was anything wrong with it I agreed with you Jesus can’t you read | |||
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" That's just a very long Winded way of saying there has been no recession in the UK since the country voted leave. More spin...i guess you skipped past that WE ARE the lowest performers of all the EU countries since brexit....what does that tell you Einstein
He's referring to George Osbornes warning that the country would be tipped into recession following a vote leave. 1.5% growth isn't recession.
Well Osborne was partly right...if the BoE hadn't intervened than who knows....but theirs absolutely no way of getting away from the fact that we have gone from the fastest to to slowest growing economy in the EU in a matter of months "The highest its been since 2010 is in 2014 when it was 3% and has drifted down quarter on quarter to where it is now. The referendum didn't impact the final figures. There is obviously a big political issue around growth, but the statement that the referendum would cause a recession has not been the case. | |||
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" That's just a very long Winded way of saying there has been no recession in the UK since the country voted leave. More spin...i guess you skipped past that WE ARE the lowest performers of all the EU countries since brexit....what does that tell you Einstein
He's referring to George Osbornes warning that the country would be tipped into recession following a vote leave. 1.5% growth isn't recession.
Well Osborne was partly right...if the BoE hadn't intervened than who knows....but theirs absolutely no way of getting away from the fact that we have gone from the fastest to to slowest growing economy in the EU in a matter of months
The highest its been since 2010 is in 2014 when it was 3% and has drifted down quarter on quarter to where it is now. The referendum didn't impact the final figures. There is obviously a big political issue around growth, but the statement that the referendum would cause a recession has not been the case."It did though brexit influenced it hugely and also influenced the drop in the pound which has also had a knock on effect | |||
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" I just meant that it looks pretty daft when people post on a thread about federalism when they don't understand what federalism means.
Why not head back to the playground so you can do more name calling. I have no interest in your comments or opinions.
No, I spent more time in the classroom rather than the playground. That's why I know what words mean and you dont!
You need to start your own thread about the other kids not wanting to play with you, interesting though."I think I will ignore the obvious joke at your expense and just leave it there for now. Merry Christmas. | |||
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" It did though brexit influenced it hugely and also influenced the drop in the pound which has also had a knock on effect You need to look at the graphs on ONS then. But this is another thread." I have done....all the financial institutions are saying it...its only the hard line brexiters that cant see it through there rose coloured specs | |||
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"I really hope once the UK leave...the EU gets on with it all and prospers...without any interference from the little Englanders....and they do adopt a system like the USA....for too many years now a small minority from this country have been holding them back Actually a majority from this country. Leave won the referendum with 52% of the vote remember. It's Remainers who are the minority here with 48%. You still dont get it....and like it or not your'e in a minority now...and would had been if people like you had been honest...but i guess its in your make up not to be The Quitters knew that they'd have to lie and lie big to get votes, so that's what they did, and the more it unravels the more they are panicking. Still they've "taken back control". Not sure what of and what to do with it mind you. Let's just brush all the lies told by the Remain campaign under the carpet then shall we. Lies remain told like "there won't be an EU army" or "more countries won't be joining you EU" or "there will be a recession within a year if the country votes Leave" and many other falsehoods peddled by the Remain camp besides. What a load of bollocks many of the claims made by Remain turned out to be. The UK economy was the worst performer in the European Union in the opening months of 2017 as the Brexit vote took its toll, according to official statistics that underscore the challenge facing the next British government. With economic growth of just 0.2% in the first three months of this year, the UK was well behind its European neighbours. Official EU figures released as Britons went to the polls on Thursday showed the growth for the whole of the EU was 0.6% in the first quarter. The eurozone single currency bloc also grew 0.6% in the opening quarter, buoyed by strong domestic demand. The Eurostat figures showed every nation in the 28-member bloc reported first-quarter GDP figures growing faster than the UK. The strongest expansion was in Romania at 1.7%, followed by Latvia at 1.6% and Slovenia at 1.5%. The closest countries to the UK’s weak pace of growth were France and Greece, with GDP growing 0.4% in both. Business Today: sign up for a morning shot of financial news Read more However, in year-on-year terms the UK was closer to the EU performance and ahead of the 19-nation eurozone. After a strong second half to 2016, when the economy defied predictions of a post-referendum slump, UK GDP was still 2% bigger in the first quarter of 2017 than a year earlier. The EU’s economy was 2.1% bigger on the year while the eurozone was up 1.9%. Recent business surveys have suggested the UK economy has picked up some momentum in the second quarter after its slow start to 2017. But with higher inflation weighing on consumer spending, most forecasters expect growth to be lacklustre over 2017 as a whole and even weaker in 2018. The main pressure is expected to come from higher inflation, stemming largely from the pound’s sharp fall since the Brexit vote last year. That has made the many imported goods to the UK more expensive and been passed on to consumers. Wages meanwhile have failed to keep pace with those price rises and so workers are worse off in real terms and have been cutting back. Prospects for the 19-nation eurozone, by contrast, have brightened. Political uncertainty has diminished now France’s presidential election is out the way, unemployment has fallen, business surveys point to solid demand and a continuing recovery in the global economy could boost exports, economists say. The confirmation that the UK was the worst performer in the EU growth league in the first quarter follows news last week that it was also trailing behind the world’s advanced economies, with Canada registering stellar growth in the first three months of the year. The outlook for the UK was tough but stronger global prospects should provide some cheer, economists said. “Brexit has been partly to blame for slower UK growth, as higher prices due to lower sterling and uncertainty hit retail spending and the willingness of firms to invest,” said George Buckley, economist at the financial firm Nomura. You were saying....even the Eastern States in the EU are out performing us
That's just a very long Winded way of saying there has been no recession in the UK since the country voted leave.
More spin...i guess you skipped past that WE ARE the lowest performers of all the EU countries since brexit....what does that tell you Einstein "It tells me there still hasn't been a recession in the UK since the country voted Leave. | |||
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"I really hope once the UK leave...the EU gets on with it all and prospers...without any interference from the little Englanders....and they do adopt a system like the USA....for too many years now a small minority from this country have been holding them back Actually a majority from this country. Leave won the referendum with 52% of the vote remember. It's Remainers who are the minority here with 48%. You still dont get it....and like it or not your'e in a minority now...and would had been if people like you had been honest...but i guess its in your make up not to be The Quitters knew that they'd have to lie and lie big to get votes, so that's what they did, and the more it unravels the more they are panicking. Still they've "taken back control". Not sure what of and what to do with it mind you. Let's just brush all the lies told by the Remain campaign under the carpet then shall we. Lies remain told like "there won't be an EU army" or "more countries won't be joining you EU" or "there will be a recession within a year if the country votes Leave" and many other falsehoods peddled by the Remain camp besides. What a load of bollocks many of the claims made by Remain turned out to be. The UK economy was the worst performer in the European Union in the opening months of 2017 as the Brexit vote took its toll, according to official statistics that underscore the challenge facing the next British government. With economic growth of just 0.2% in the first three months of this year, the UK was well behind its European neighbours. Official EU figures released as Britons went to the polls on Thursday showed the growth for the whole of the EU was 0.6% in the first quarter. The eurozone single currency bloc also grew 0.6% in the opening quarter, buoyed by strong domestic demand. The Eurostat figures showed every nation in the 28-member bloc reported first-quarter GDP figures growing faster than the UK. The strongest expansion was in Romania at 1.7%, followed by Latvia at 1.6% and Slovenia at 1.5%. The closest countries to the UK’s weak pace of growth were France and Greece, with GDP growing 0.4% in both. Business Today: sign up for a morning shot of financial news Read more However, in year-on-year terms the UK was closer to the EU performance and ahead of the 19-nation eurozone. After a strong second half to 2016, when the economy defied predictions of a post-referendum slump, UK GDP was still 2% bigger in the first quarter of 2017 than a year earlier. The EU’s economy was 2.1% bigger on the year while the eurozone was up 1.9%. Recent business surveys have suggested the UK economy has picked up some momentum in the second quarter after its slow start to 2017. But with higher inflation weighing on consumer spending, most forecasters expect growth to be lacklustre over 2017 as a whole and even weaker in 2018. The main pressure is expected to come from higher inflation, stemming largely from the pound’s sharp fall since the Brexit vote last year. That has made the many imported goods to the UK more expensive and been passed on to consumers. Wages meanwhile have failed to keep pace with those price rises and so workers are worse off in real terms and have been cutting back. Prospects for the 19-nation eurozone, by contrast, have brightened. Political uncertainty has diminished now France’s presidential election is out the way, unemployment has fallen, business surveys point to solid demand and a continuing recovery in the global economy could boost exports, economists say. The confirmation that the UK was the worst performer in the EU growth league in the first quarter follows news last week that it was also trailing behind the world’s advanced economies, with Canada registering stellar growth in the first three months of the year. The outlook for the UK was tough but stronger global prospects should provide some cheer, economists said. “Brexit has been partly to blame for slower UK growth, as higher prices due to lower sterling and uncertainty hit retail spending and the willingness of firms to invest,” said George Buckley, economist at the financial firm Nomura. You were saying....even the Eastern States in the EU are out performing us
That's just a very long Winded way of saying there has been no recession in the UK since the country voted leave.
More spin...i guess you skipped past that WE ARE the lowest performers of all the EU countries since brexit....what does that tell you Einstein
It tells me there still hasn't been a recession in the UK since the country voted Leave. "Spin it how you like....we have gone from the strongest to the weakest...well done | |||
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"I really hope once the UK leave...the EU gets on with it all and prospers...without any interference from the little Englanders....and they do adopt a system like the USA....for too many years now a small minority from this country have been holding them back Actually a majority from this country. Leave won the referendum with 52% of the vote remember. It's Remainers who are the minority here with 48%. You still dont get it....and like it or not your'e in a minority now...and would had been if people like you had been honest...but i guess its in your make up not to be Keep telling yourself that if your little fantasy helps you sleep at night. The fact is Leave won with 52% and are the majority. Remain lost and are the minority on 48%. Get your facts right for gods sake your like a old record yes we no the vote of the fucking referendum that was 18 months ago Mr ukipper I did get my facts right. Leave won on 52%. Remain lost on 48%. Care to explain what is factually wrong about that? Do you no what read the post I never said there was anything wrong with it I agreed with you Jesus can’t you read " I did read what you said. You said, "Get your facts right for Gods sake". I did get my facts right. Leave won on 52% and are the majority in this country. Remain lost on 48% and are the minority in this country. Now care to explain what is factually wrong about that? | |||
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"I really hope once the UK leave...the EU gets on with it all and prospers...without any interference from the little Englanders....and they do adopt a system like the USA....for too many years now a small minority from this country have been holding them back Actually a majority from this country. Leave won the referendum with 52% of the vote remember. It's Remainers who are the minority here with 48%. You still dont get it....and like it or not your'e in a minority now...and would had been if people like you had been honest...but i guess its in your make up not to be The Quitters knew that they'd have to lie and lie big to get votes, so that's what they did, and the more it unravels the more they are panicking. Still they've "taken back control". Not sure what of and what to do with it mind you. Let's just brush all the lies told by the Remain campaign under the carpet then shall we. Lies remain told like "there won't be an EU army" or "more countries won't be joining you EU" or "there will be a recession within a year if the country votes Leave" and many other falsehoods peddled by the Remain camp besides. What a load of bollocks many of the claims made by Remain turned out to be. The UK economy was the worst performer in the European Union in the opening months of 2017 as the Brexit vote took its toll, according to official statistics that underscore the challenge facing the next British government. With economic growth of just 0.2% in the first three months of this year, the UK was well behind its European neighbours. Official EU figures released as Britons went to the polls on Thursday showed the growth for the whole of the EU was 0.6% in the first quarter. The eurozone single currency bloc also grew 0.6% in the opening quarter, buoyed by strong domestic demand. The Eurostat figures showed every nation in the 28-member bloc reported first-quarter GDP figures growing faster than the UK. The strongest expansion was in Romania at 1.7%, followed by Latvia at 1.6% and Slovenia at 1.5%. The closest countries to the UK’s weak pace of growth were France and Greece, with GDP growing 0.4% in both. Business Today: sign up for a morning shot of financial news Read more However, in year-on-year terms the UK was closer to the EU performance and ahead of the 19-nation eurozone. After a strong second half to 2016, when the economy defied predictions of a post-referendum slump, UK GDP was still 2% bigger in the first quarter of 2017 than a year earlier. The EU’s economy was 2.1% bigger on the year while the eurozone was up 1.9%. Recent business surveys have suggested the UK economy has picked up some momentum in the second quarter after its slow start to 2017. But with higher inflation weighing on consumer spending, most forecasters expect growth to be lacklustre over 2017 as a whole and even weaker in 2018. The main pressure is expected to come from higher inflation, stemming largely from the pound’s sharp fall since the Brexit vote last year. That has made the many imported goods to the UK more expensive and been passed on to consumers. Wages meanwhile have failed to keep pace with those price rises and so workers are worse off in real terms and have been cutting back. Prospects for the 19-nation eurozone, by contrast, have brightened. Political uncertainty has diminished now France’s presidential election is out the way, unemployment has fallen, business surveys point to solid demand and a continuing recovery in the global economy could boost exports, economists say. The confirmation that the UK was the worst performer in the EU growth league in the first quarter follows news last week that it was also trailing behind the world’s advanced economies, with Canada registering stellar growth in the first three months of the year. The outlook for the UK was tough but stronger global prospects should provide some cheer, economists said. “Brexit has been partly to blame for slower UK growth, as higher prices due to lower sterling and uncertainty hit retail spending and the willingness of firms to invest,” said George Buckley, economist at the financial firm Nomura. You were saying....even the Eastern States in the EU are out performing us
That's just a very long Winded way of saying there has been no recession in the UK since the country voted leave.
More spin...i guess you skipped past that WE ARE the lowest performers of all the EU countries since brexit....what does that tell you Einstein
It tells me there still hasn't been a recession in the UK since the country voted Leave.
Spin it how you like....we have gone from the strongest to the weakest...well done "So you agree the remain campaign lied about a recession happening then. | |||
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" I just meant that it looks pretty daft when people post on a thread about federalism when they don't understand what federalism means.
Why not head back to the playground so you can do more name calling. I have no interest in your comments or opinions.
No, I spent more time in the classroom rather than the playground. That's why I know what words mean and you dont!
You need to start your own thread about the other kids not wanting to play with you, interesting though.
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"I really hope once the UK leave...the EU gets on with it all and prospers...without any interference from the little Englanders....and they do adopt a system like the USA....for too many years now a small minority from this country have been holding them back Actually a majority from this country. Leave won the referendum with 52% of the vote remember. It's Remainers who are the minority here with 48%. You still dont get it....and like it or not your'e in a minority now...and would had been if people like you had been honest...but i guess its in your make up not to be The Quitters knew that they'd have to lie and lie big to get votes, so that's what they did, and the more it unravels the more they are panicking. Still they've "taken back control". Not sure what of and what to do with it mind you. Let's just brush all the lies told by the Remain campaign under the carpet then shall we. Lies remain told like "there won't be an EU army" or "more countries won't be joining you EU" or "there will be a recession within a year if the country votes Leave" and many other falsehoods peddled by the Remain camp besides. What a load of bollocks many of the claims made by Remain turned out to be. The UK economy was the worst performer in the European Union in the opening months of 2017 as the Brexit vote took its toll, according to official statistics that underscore the challenge facing the next British government. With economic growth of just 0.2% in the first three months of this year, the UK was well behind its European neighbours. Official EU figures released as Britons went to the polls on Thursday showed the growth for the whole of the EU was 0.6% in the first quarter. The eurozone single currency bloc also grew 0.6% in the opening quarter, buoyed by strong domestic demand. The Eurostat figures showed every nation in the 28-member bloc reported first-quarter GDP figures growing faster than the UK. The strongest expansion was in Romania at 1.7%, followed by Latvia at 1.6% and Slovenia at 1.5%. The closest countries to the UK’s weak pace of growth were France and Greece, with GDP growing 0.4% in both. Business Today: sign up for a morning shot of financial news Read more However, in year-on-year terms the UK was closer to the EU performance and ahead of the 19-nation eurozone. After a strong second half to 2016, when the economy defied predictions of a post-referendum slump, UK GDP was still 2% bigger in the first quarter of 2017 than a year earlier. The EU’s economy was 2.1% bigger on the year while the eurozone was up 1.9%. Recent business surveys have suggested the UK economy has picked up some momentum in the second quarter after its slow start to 2017. But with higher inflation weighing on consumer spending, most forecasters expect growth to be lacklustre over 2017 as a whole and even weaker in 2018. The main pressure is expected to come from higher inflation, stemming largely from the pound’s sharp fall since the Brexit vote last year. That has made the many imported goods to the UK more expensive and been passed on to consumers. Wages meanwhile have failed to keep pace with those price rises and so workers are worse off in real terms and have been cutting back. Prospects for the 19-nation eurozone, by contrast, have brightened. Political uncertainty has diminished now France’s presidential election is out the way, unemployment has fallen, business surveys point to solid demand and a continuing recovery in the global economy could boost exports, economists say. The confirmation that the UK was the worst performer in the EU growth league in the first quarter follows news last week that it was also trailing behind the world’s advanced economies, with Canada registering stellar growth in the first three months of the year. The outlook for the UK was tough but stronger global prospects should provide some cheer, economists said. “Brexit has been partly to blame for slower UK growth, as higher prices due to lower sterling and uncertainty hit retail spending and the willingness of firms to invest,” said George Buckley, economist at the financial firm Nomura. You were saying....even the Eastern States in the EU are out performing us
That's just a very long Winded way of saying there has been no recession in the UK since the country voted leave.
More spin...i guess you skipped past that WE ARE the lowest performers of all the EU countries since brexit....what does that tell you Einstein
It tells me there still hasn't been a recession in the UK since the country voted Leave.
Spin it how you like....we have gone from the strongest to the weakest...well done
So you agree the remain campaign lied about a recession happening then. "Its had an impact a huge impact...like i said if the BoE hadn't intervened then we would be in deeper shit than we now...but going from the fastest growing in the EU to the slowest is quite an achievement im sure you being a hardliner are very happy with the result | |||
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" I just meant that it looks pretty daft when people post on a thread about federalism when they don't understand what federalism means.
Why not head back to the playground so you can do more name calling. I have no interest in your comments or opinions.
No, I spent more time in the classroom rather than the playground. That's why I know what words mean and you dont!
You need to start your own thread about the other kids not wanting to play with you, interesting though." .
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