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"I think it's going to lead to pretty bitter animosity and will lead to a scar on the psyche of the nation. I have a pretty low opinion of most Brexiteers, and it will remain thus. Luckily, I know only a couple of people who are friends who voted to leave, that although sad to see, wasn't surprising (They were either big Conservatives, on the left hand side of the bell curve, or nominally racists). I'll be happy in the knowledge that Stockport voted to Remain. But for me, I can apply for an Irish passport, or indeed, we've talked that as a family we'll move to Scotland should things start to break up. I'm an in it together kind of person and I've lived abroad, so perhaps my POV is rather more enlightened... I hope that MPs do their job and stop the madness (as is their duty to protect the country), as indeed, the UK is done for otherwise in all different kind of ways. I still remember that sickening feeling in my stomach that Friday morning. Hey ho. Flames" omfg you mean like all them American A listers who said if trump got in they were off to Canada lol good look in Scotland mate | |||
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" you mean like all them American A listers who said if trump got in they were off to Canada lol good look in Scotland mate " Exactly like that. Except we'd actually do it. Already done the job research. | |||
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"I think it's going to lead to pretty bitter animosity and will lead to a scar on the psyche of the nation. I have a pretty low opinion of most Brexiteers, and it will remain thus. Luckily, I know only a couple of people who are friends who voted to leave, that although sad to see, wasn't surprising (They were either big Conservatives, on the left hand side of the bell curve, or nominally racists). I'll be happy in the knowledge that Stockport voted to Remain. But for me, I can apply for an Irish passport, or indeed, we've talked that as a family we'll move to Scotland should things start to break up. I'm an in it together kind of person and I've lived abroad, so perhaps my POV is rather more enlightened... I hope that MPs do their job and stop the madness (as is their duty to protect the country), as indeed, the UK is done for otherwise in all different kind of ways. I still remember that sickening feeling in my stomach that Friday morning. Hey ho. Flames" I completely agree with your point of view, and also hope someone in power stops this madness... But if they don’t, Scotland will definitely go, and I will try my best to join them | |||
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"I think Scotland and NI should be given a referendum now and then everyone knows where they stand. Though I'm not sure how it would work between Scotland & NI regarding using another nations currency ??" But we dont know where we stand with brexit thats the point and like i said Scotland has a mandate to have an independence referendum when the final brexit deal is known allowing the Scottish people to decide if they agree to brexit or not agree with it | |||
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"I think Scotland and NI should be given a referendum now and then everyone knows where they stand. Though I'm not sure how it would work between Scotland & NI regarding using another nations currency ?? But we dont know where we stand with brexit thats the point and like i said Scotland has a mandate to have an independence referendum when the final brexit deal is known allowing the Scottish people to decide if they agree to brexit or not agree with it " You missed my point, would Scotland be able to Join the EU using UK Sterling if they are not in the UK ? | |||
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"Oh look . Another " all leave voters are low life parasites " thread. Yawn ." Claim down lol That was not said once in my opening comment All i asked do people think the UK will break apart with brexit I dont think all leave voters are low lifes its their vote i respect it just like Scotland and N.Irelands vote should be respected If you feel that bored with the thread it makes no sense why comment lol | |||
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"I think it's going to lead to pretty bitter animosity and will lead to a scar on the psyche of the nation. I have a pretty low opinion of most Brexiteers, and it will remain thus. Luckily, I know only a couple of people who are friends who voted to leave, that although sad to see, wasn't surprising (They were either big Conservatives, on the left hand side of the bell curve, or nominally racists). I'll be happy in the knowledge that Stockport voted to Remain. But for me, I can apply for an Irish passport, or indeed, we've talked that as a family we'll move to Scotland should things start to break up. I'm an in it together kind of person and I've lived abroad, so perhaps my POV is rather more enlightened... I hope that MPs do their job and stop the madness (as is their duty to protect the country), as indeed, the UK is done for otherwise in all different kind of ways. I still remember that sickening feeling in my stomach that Friday morning. Hey ho. Flames omfg you mean like all them American A listers who said if trump got in they were off to Canada lol good look in Scotland mate " All those snowflakes, err I mean American Hillary Clinton supporting celebs are still living in America though aren't they? Surprise Surprise!  | |||
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"Oh look . Another " all leave voters are low life parasites " thread. Yawn . Claim down lol That was not said once in my opening comment All i asked do people think the UK will break apart with brexit I dont think all leave voters are low lifes its their vote i respect it just like Scotland and N.Irelands vote should be respected If you feel that bored with the thread it makes no sense why comment lol " I accept that . It wasn't really aimed at you so I do apologize for the misunderstanding  | |||
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"I think it's going to lead to pretty bitter animosity and will lead to a scar on the psyche of the nation. I have a pretty low opinion of most Brexiteers, and it will remain thus. Luckily, I know only a couple of people who are friends who voted to leave, that although sad to see, wasn't surprising (They were either big Conservatives, on the left hand side of the bell curve, or nominally racists). I'll be happy in the knowledge that Stockport voted to Remain. But for me, I can apply for an Irish passport, or indeed, we've talked that as a family we'll move to Scotland should things start to break up. I'm an in it together kind of person and I've lived abroad, so perhaps my POV is rather more enlightened... I hope that MPs do their job and stop the madness (as is their duty to protect the country), as indeed, the UK is done for otherwise in all different kind of ways. I still remember that sickening feeling in my stomach that Friday morning. Hey ho. Flames" I hope you didn't fall out with them over their voting preferences  | |||
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"The fact that David Davis is releasing the brexit papers on the effects of brexit but having alot of it redacted shows you they are hiding something I get the feeling that dont want the Scottish people to see Scotland and parts of the North of England are going to be worse off after brexit so they are trying to cover it up nothing new there about Westminster and covering shit up for the public not to see " All of the UK is going to be worse off. | |||
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"I think its possible and very likely.I also think London and south east could be a special economic zone." Sell off a chunk to Google and lets get this utopia going. | |||
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"I think its possible and very likely.I also think London and south east could be a special economic zone." Cornwall would be well and truely fucked if that ever happened bob. | |||
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"Oh look . Another " all leave voters are low life parasites " thread. Yawn ." That's a very cruel thing to say about parasites. | |||
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"Ok simple question how many people think that brexit will end up leading to the UK breaking apart ? The two big issues is .... Scotland voted to remain and have a triple lock mandate to have a referendum when the brexit deal is known Then there is N.Ireland and the border issue that you can clearly tell the Tories are clueless on how to solve that issue I said it from day one i respect England and Wales voted by the majority to leave the EU just like i had to respect the 2014 majority of no voters but tge fact remains Scotland and NI didnt vote to leave the EU that has to be respected i mean i thought the UK union was suppose to be a "family of nations" it comes across more like a dictatorship " Hopefully  Come on England
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"I think it's going to lead to pretty bitter animosity and will lead to a scar on the psyche of the nation. I have a pretty low opinion of most Brexiteers, and it will remain thus. Luckily, I know only a couple of people who are friends who voted to leave, that although sad to see, wasn't surprising (They were either big Conservatives, on the left hand side of the bell curve, or nominally racists). I'll be happy in the knowledge that Stockport voted to Remain. But for me, I can apply for an Irish passport, or indeed, we've talked that as a family we'll move to Scotland should things start to break up. I'm an in it together kind of person and I've lived abroad, so perhaps my POV is rather more enlightened... I hope that MPs do their job and stop the madness (as is their duty to protect the country), as indeed, the UK is done for otherwise in all different kind of ways. I still remember that sickening feeling in my stomach that Friday morning. Hey ho. Flames" You wont move to Scotland, we have heard this many times from people, and when it comes to the crunch everyone bottles out | |||
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"I think Scotland and NI should be given a referendum now and then everyone knows where they stand. Though I'm not sure how it would work between Scotland & NI regarding using another nations currency ?? But we dont know where we stand with brexit thats the point and like i said Scotland has a mandate to have an independence referendum when the final brexit deal is known allowing the Scottish people to decide if they agree to brexit or not agree with it You missed my point, would Scotland be able to Join the EU using UK Sterling if they are not in the UK ?" Suspect there would only be one option - Join the EU using the Euro, but then, the way the pound is plummeting in value is it such a bad thing | |||
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"I think it's going to lead to pretty bitter animosity and will lead to a scar on the psyche of the nation. I have a pretty low opinion of most Brexiteers, and it will remain thus. Luckily, I know only a couple of people who are friends who voted to leave, that although sad to see, wasn't surprising (They were either big Conservatives, on the left hand side of the bell curve, or nominally racists). I'll be happy in the knowledge that Stockport voted to Remain. But for me, I can apply for an Irish passport, or indeed, we've talked that as a family we'll move to Scotland should things start to break up. I'm an in it together kind of person and I've lived abroad, so perhaps my POV is rather more enlightened... I hope that MPs do their job and stop the madness (as is their duty to protect the country), as indeed, the UK is done for otherwise in all different kind of ways. I still remember that sickening feeling in my stomach that Friday morning. Hey ho. Flames I completely agree with your point of view, and also hope someone in power stops this madness... But if they don’t, Scotland will definitely go, and I will try my best to join them " As much as I would like Scotland to "go" and win Independence, there are far too many gutless frightened people in Scotland for that ever to happen. | |||
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"I think it's going to lead to pretty bitter animosity and will lead to a scar on the psyche of the nation. I have a pretty low opinion of most Brexiteers, and it will remain thus. Luckily, I know only a couple of people who are friends who voted to leave, that although sad to see, wasn't surprising (They were either big Conservatives, on the left hand side of the bell curve, or nominally racists). I'll be happy in the knowledge that Stockport voted to Remain. But for me, I can apply for an Irish passport, or indeed, we've talked that as a family we'll move to Scotland should things start to break up. I'm an in it together kind of person and I've lived abroad, so perhaps my POV is rather more enlightened... I hope that MPs do their job and stop the madness (as is their duty to protect the country), as indeed, the UK is done for otherwise in all different kind of ways. I still remember that sickening feeling in my stomach that Friday morning. Hey ho. Flames You wont move to Scotland, we have heard this many times from people, and when it comes to the crunch everyone bottles out" Because it's shit? | |||
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" Because it's shit?" exactly what are you talking about, define what you consider "shit" | |||
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" Because it's shit? exactly what are you talking about, define what you consider "shit"" I'm asking you why they don't move there. | |||
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" 1; Because it's shit? 2; exactly what are you talking about, define what you consider "shit" 3; I'm asking you why they don't move there. " so now you are changing an answer (1) to a question (3) I am asking you "What" YOU consider shit, as in your answer (1) if you say something at least have the guts to back yourself up, so again what do you consider "shit", is it a country you consider that is shit and if so what country? | |||
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"Dont you love how Kinky is now waiting till after Brexit wrenches Scotland from the EU, it was only a few months ago we were told we needed a referendum was needed BEFORE brexit actually happened ..... The reason for the rethink ?....Independence is a sinking ship the Nat bigots are in retreat and there only hope now is to hope that the Brexit issue will relight the dying flame....but the people have seen the debacle that the SNP are making of the IMPORTANT issues. The end is nigh on your delusions with Labour to the left the Tories to the right into the electoral valley of death rides the Sturgeon lemmings "What the fuck ? When have i ever said i am willing to wait till after brexit ? From day one i have always said Scotland has a mandate to have an independence referendum when the final deal is known which will be at least 6 months before the UK leaves lol You might wanna look back at what i actually say lmao Oh and get rid of this bigot shite i mean what you are trying to claim because i believe Scotland should be independent that somehow makes me a bigot ? | |||
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" 1; Because it's shit? 2; exactly what are you talking about, define what you consider "shit" 3; I'm asking you why they don't move there. so now you are changing an answer (1) to a question (3) I am asking you "What" YOU consider shit, as in your answer (1) if you say something at least have the guts to back yourself up, so again what do you consider "shit", is it a country you consider that is shit and if so what country?" Why do people bottle out of moving to Scotland? | |||
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"I think its possible and very likely.I also think London and south east could be a special economic zone." Aren't they already? | |||
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" 1; Because it's shit? 2; exactly what are you talking about, define what you consider "shit" 3; I'm asking you why they don't move there. so now you are changing an answer (1) to a question (3) I am asking you "What" YOU consider shit, as in your answer (1) if you say something at least have the guts to back yourself up, so again what do you consider "shit", is it a country you consider that is shit and if so what country? Why do people bottle out of moving to Scotland? " OK CLCC do you consider Scotland shit as in your answer (1) yes or no If you state "because its shit" have the guts to back yourself up, or are you running frightened now | |||
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" 1; Because it's shit? 2; exactly what are you talking about, define what you consider "shit" 3; I'm asking you why they don't move there. so now you are changing an answer (1) to a question (3) I am asking you "What" YOU consider shit, as in your answer (1) if you say something at least have the guts to back yourself up, so again what do you consider "shit", is it a country you consider that is shit and if so what country? Why do people bottle out of moving to Scotland? OK CLCC do you consider Scotland shit as in your answer (1) yes or no If you state "because its shit" have the guts to back yourself up, or are you running frightened now" I asked a question, I didn't make a statement. | |||
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"Calm down ......It must be hard to watch your delusions sinking as each day passes...Bigots ?......Oh yes bigots a more rabid bunch it is hard to come across...So your Rallies of flag waving anti-english songs and general kiddy on bonhomie till an accent that is not local is met with disturbing shouts and spittle...I know i was that person , so no more of your BS your a movement built on BIGOTORY !!!" Claim doon ? Your the one misquoting me please by all means go find where you think i said i am now willing to wait till after brexit ? I have always said when the final brexit deal is known then Scotland has a mandate to have an independence referendum lol Must be hard to what ? Thats your opinion its a sinking ship but now i ask you do you believe Scotland has a mandate to have an independence referendum when the final brexit deal is known ? Fucking hell!!! Do you know there is English born people that believe in Scottish independence ? I suppose by your logic they are all anti English This is not about Scotland vs England please stop trying to make seem that way its very unwelcome Also do you know if you love the UK that much you still will be able to vote no to independence in another Scottish referendum no one will stop you thats your right but you cant deny others the right to change their minds | |||
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"OP, why do you think Scotland should be independent? I mean its only 322 miles between London and Edinburgh. Hawaii don't need independence from the US, yet their capitals are 4,826 miles apart. If they can get on, why can't we?" Nice and simple to end London rule/ Westminster rule Is every power devolved to Scotland CLCC ? Tell me how you think the will of Scottish people can keep the Tories to account on the reserved matters ? Yes Scotland has 59 Scottish seats in Westminster but all it takes is for 533 to outvote the Scottish MP's not much of a family of nations where one country's government can overule another Simple if people want the Uk to stay together then get them to deliver on Home Rule real Home rule if not Scottish independence will never ever go away | |||
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"OP, why do you think Scotland should be independent? I mean its only 322 miles between London and Edinburgh. Hawaii don't need independence from the US, yet their capitals are 4,826 miles apart. If they can get on, why can't we? Nice and simple to end London rule/ Westminster rule Is every power devolved to Scotland CLCC ? Tell me how you think the will of Scottish people can keep the Tories to account on the reserved matters ? Yes Scotland has 59 Scottish seats in Westminster but all it takes is for 533 to outvote the Scottish MP's not much of a family of nations where one country's government can overule another Simple if people want the Uk to stay together then get them to deliver on Home Rule real Home rule if not Scottish independence will never ever go away " But why? The city of London, or even greater London doesn't have 500+ MPs. Constituencies are based on the number of voters. Averages out to 72,400 voters for an English MP, 69,000 for a Scottish MP, 66,800 for an NI MP, and 56,800 for a Welsh MP. | |||
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"OP, why do you think Scotland should be independent? I mean its only 322 miles between London and Edinburgh. Hawaii don't need independence from the US, yet their capitals are 4,826 miles apart. If they can get on, why can't we? Nice and simple to end London rule/ Westminster rule Is every power devolved to Scotland CLCC ? Tell me how you think the will of Scottish people can keep the Tories to account on the reserved matters ? Yes Scotland has 59 Scottish seats in Westminster but all it takes is for 533 to outvote the Scottish MP's not much of a family of nations where one country's government can overule another Simple if people want the Uk to stay together then get them to deliver on Home Rule real Home rule if not Scottish independence will never ever go away But why? The city of London, or even greater London doesn't have 500+ MPs. Constituencies are based on the number of voters. Averages out to 72,400 voters for an English MP, 69,000 for a Scottish MP, 66,800 for an NI MP, and 56,800 for a Welsh MP." To end Westminster / London rule simple Be honest now tell me who you think the Scottish people can hold the Tories to account on reserved matters ? | |||
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"OP, why do you think Scotland should be independent? I mean its only 322 miles between London and Edinburgh. Hawaii don't need independence from the US, yet their capitals are 4,826 miles apart. If they can get on, why can't we? Nice and simple to end London rule/ Westminster rule Is every power devolved to Scotland CLCC ? Tell me how you think the will of Scottish people can keep the Tories to account on the reserved matters ? Yes Scotland has 59 Scottish seats in Westminster but all it takes is for 533 to outvote the Scottish MP's not much of a family of nations where one country's government can overule another Simple if people want the Uk to stay together then get them to deliver on Home Rule real Home rule if not Scottish independence will never ever go away But why? The city of London, or even greater London doesn't have 500+ MPs. Constituencies are based on the number of voters. Averages out to 72,400 voters for an English MP, 69,000 for a Scottish MP, 66,800 for an NI MP, and 56,800 for a Welsh MP. To end Westminster / London rule simple Be honest now tell me who you think the Scottish people can hold the Tories to account on reserved matters ? " Vote Labour? | |||
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"OP, why do you think Scotland should be independent? I mean its only 322 miles between London and Edinburgh. Hawaii don't need independence from the US, yet their capitals are 4,826 miles apart. If they can get on, why can't we? Nice and simple to end London rule/ Westminster rule Is every power devolved to Scotland CLCC ? Tell me how you think the will of Scottish people can keep the Tories to account on the reserved matters ? Yes Scotland has 59 Scottish seats in Westminster but all it takes is for 533 to outvote the Scottish MP's not much of a family of nations where one country's government can overule another Simple if people want the Uk to stay together then get them to deliver on Home Rule real Home rule if not Scottish independence will never ever go away But why? The city of London, or even greater London doesn't have 500+ MPs. Constituencies are based on the number of voters. Averages out to 72,400 voters for an English MP, 69,000 for a Scottish MP, 66,800 for an NI MP, and 56,800 for a Welsh MP. To end Westminster / London rule simple Be honest now tell me who you think the Scottish people can hold the Tories to account on reserved matters ? Vote Labour? " Are you taking the piss ? So you think i should vote Scottish Labour branch office ? Same Scottish Labour branch office that have a new leader that has fuck all clue that Scottish water is already in public hands ? That not piss poor that he clearly has no clue that Scottish water is already in public hands ? Same leader that wants the Scottish government to pay out the PFI contract that Labour brought in ? Yeah Scottish Labour can get fucked along with the Scottish Tories lol | |||
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"OP, why do you think Scotland should be independent? I mean its only 322 miles between London and Edinburgh. Hawaii don't need independence from the US, yet their capitals are 4,826 miles apart. If they can get on, why can't we? Nice and simple to end London rule/ Westminster rule Is every power devolved to Scotland CLCC ? Tell me how you think the will of Scottish people can keep the Tories to account on the reserved matters ? Yes Scotland has 59 Scottish seats in Westminster but all it takes is for 533 to outvote the Scottish MP's not much of a family of nations where one country's government can overule another Simple if people want the Uk to stay together then get them to deliver on Home Rule real Home rule if not Scottish independence will never ever go away But why? The city of London, or even greater London doesn't have 500+ MPs. Constituencies are based on the number of voters. Averages out to 72,400 voters for an English MP, 69,000 for a Scottish MP, 66,800 for an NI MP, and 56,800 for a Welsh MP. To end Westminster / London rule simple Be honest now tell me who you think the Scottish people can hold the Tories to account on reserved matters ? Vote Labour? Are you taking the piss ? So you think i should vote Scottish Labour branch office ? Same Scottish Labour branch office that have a new leader that has fuck all clue that Scottish water is already in public hands ? That not piss poor that he clearly has no clue that Scottish water is already in public hands ? Same leader that wants the Scottish government to pay out the PFI contract that Labour brought in ? Yeah Scottish Labour can get fucked along with the Scottish Tories lol " Well what does Hawai'i do if there is a Republican congress in DC and they don't want a Republican congress? | |||
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"OP, why do you think Scotland should be independent? I mean its only 322 miles between London and Edinburgh. Hawaii don't need independence from the US, yet their capitals are 4,826 miles apart. If they can get on, why can't we?" The US Constitution means that Hawaii is an Independent “State” hence - United States. State law is very much devolved from Federal matters and it just works. My opinion is that the Brexit result was actually a vote against our version of democracy here in the U.K. because it is so very unrepresentative. Unfortunately the Brexit vote will not deliver the kind of democratic change that was voted for by proxy. I think that Scotland and Wales would very much appreciate being part of a United Kingdom if they had the same kind of power that the US States have. | |||
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"OP, why do you think Scotland should be independent? I mean its only 322 miles between London and Edinburgh. Hawaii don't need independence from the US, yet their capitals are 4,826 miles apart. If they can get on, why can't we? The US Constitution means that Hawaii is an Independent “State” hence - United States. State law is very much devolved from Federal matters and it just works. My opinion is that the Brexit result was actually a vote against our version of democracy here in the U.K. because it is so very unrepresentative. Unfortunately the Brexit vote will not deliver the kind of democratic change that was voted for by proxy. I think that Scotland and Wales would very much appreciate being part of a United Kingdom if they had the same kind of power that the US States have." I have no problem with federalism, the vast majority of people who do, don't undertstand what it is! Under a federal system, the federal government has set powers to do A B C, and the states have powers over everything else, everything not specified. I think that would work very well for the EU for example. However, people hear 'federal Europe' and shit their pants! | |||
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" You wont move to Scotland, we have heard this many times from people, and when it comes to the crunch everyone bottles out" Well, that's completely random...? No point in entering a conversation about it, as it's so hypothetical at this point it's nuts. We've done our research for jobs ( easy for me, harder for the wife...) My son and I are ginger, so, we'll fit in ok visually... and I love my haggis... and my 80/- ale... So... hey ho! | |||
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"OP, why do you think Scotland should be independent? I mean its only 322 miles between London and Edinburgh. Hawaii don't need independence from the US, yet their capitals are 4,826 miles apart. If they can get on, why can't we? Nice and simple to end London rule/ Westminster rule " So you want to swap London rule/ Westminster rule for EU rule/ Brussels rule then? You can't be a fully independent country while you're a member of the EU. If you wanted real independence you'd leave the Uk AND the EU. | |||
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"OP, why do you think Scotland should be independent? I mean its only 322 miles between London and Edinburgh. Hawaii don't need independence from the US, yet their capitals are 4,826 miles apart. If they can get on, why can't we? Nice and simple to end London rule/ Westminster rule So you want to swap London rule/ Westminster rule for EU rule/ Brussels rule then? You can't be a fully independent country while you're a member of the EU. If you wanted real independence you'd leave the Uk AND the EU. " Lmao so now you claiming there is not 27 independent countries in the EU with a veto ? Tell me does Scotland have a veto while the UK is in the EU ? | |||
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"OP, why do you think Scotland should be independent? I mean its only 322 miles between London and Edinburgh. Hawaii don't need independence from the US, yet their capitals are 4,826 miles apart. If they can get on, why can't we? Nice and simple to end London rule/ Westminster rule So you want to swap London rule/ Westminster rule for EU rule/ Brussels rule then? You can't be a fully independent country while you're a member of the EU. If you wanted real independence you'd leave the Uk AND the EU. Lmao so now you claiming there is not 27 independent countries in the EU with a veto ? Tell me does Scotland have a veto while the UK is in the EU ? " The EU referendum was a UK wide vote. It was not a devolved vote and the UK as a whole voted to leave. This is a very simple concept which time and time again you seem unable to process and understand. Similarly the UK as a whole is a member of the EU, this is why Scotland would have automatically left the EU by default if Scotland had voted for independence in 2014. Scotland on its own is not a member of the EU and never has been. This was reaffirmed in the UK Supreme court last December with the Gina Miller court case, the Supreme court ruled that only Westminster can decide on EU matters because it was Westminster that took us into the EU in the 1970's, EU Membership is not a devolved matter in the UK and never has been! Also for the record no you can't be a fully independent country as a member of the EU, while the EU has overriding control over free movement of people, law making and EU red tape such as business regulations and the ECJ having supremacy over domestic law courts no country living under those EU conditions can claim to be sovereign and independent. | |||
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"OP, why do you think Scotland should be independent? I mean its only 322 miles between London and Edinburgh. Hawaii don't need independence from the US, yet their capitals are 4,826 miles apart. If they can get on, why can't we? Nice and simple to end London rule/ Westminster rule So you want to swap London rule/ Westminster rule for EU rule/ Brussels rule then? You can't be a fully independent country while you're a member of the EU. If you wanted real independence you'd leave the Uk AND the EU. Lmao so now you claiming there is not 27 independent countries in the EU with a veto ? Tell me does Scotland have a veto while the UK is in the EU ? The EU referendum was a UK wide vote. It was not a devolved vote and the UK as a whole voted to leave. This is a very simple concept which time and time again you seem unable to process and understand. Similarly the UK as a whole is a member of the EU, this is why Scotland would have automatically left the EU by default if Scotland had voted for independence in 2014. Scotland on its own is not a member of the EU and never has been. This was reaffirmed in the UK Supreme court last December with the Gina Miller court case, the Supreme court ruled that only Westminster can decide on EU matters because it was Westminster that took us into the EU in the 1970's, EU Membership is not a devolved matter in the UK and never has been! Also for the record no you can't be a fully independent country as a member of the EU, while the EU has overriding control over free movement of people, law making and EU red tape such as business regulations and the ECJ having supremacy over domestic law courts no country living under those EU conditions can claim to be sovereign and independent. " God there you again with shite lol The Uk didnt vote to leave England and Wales did am willing to accept do you accept Scotland didnt vote to leave eh ? Also say Scotland is worse off with your brexit you willing to say to the Scottish people you dont care if they suffer the effects of brexit ? I mean what is it feart to go it alone ? Need someone to take your hand ? Lol | |||
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"OP, why do you think Scotland should be independent? I mean its only 322 miles between London and Edinburgh. Hawaii don't need independence from the US, yet their capitals are 4,826 miles apart. If they can get on, why can't we? Nice and simple to end London rule/ Westminster rule So you want to swap London rule/ Westminster rule for EU rule/ Brussels rule then? You can't be a fully independent country while you're a member of the EU. If you wanted real independence you'd leave the Uk AND the EU. Lmao so now you claiming there is not 27 independent countries in the EU with a veto ? Tell me does Scotland have a veto while the UK is in the EU ? The EU referendum was a UK wide vote. It was not a devolved vote and the UK as a whole voted to leave. This is a very simple concept which time and time again you seem unable to process and understand. Similarly the UK as a whole is a member of the EU, this is why Scotland would have automatically left the EU by default if Scotland had voted for independence in 2014. Scotland on its own is not a member of the EU and never has been. This was reaffirmed in the UK Supreme court last December with the Gina Miller court case, the Supreme court ruled that only Westminster can decide on EU matters because it was Westminster that took us into the EU in the 1970's, EU Membership is not a devolved matter in the UK and never has been! Also for the record no you can't be a fully independent country as a member of the EU, while the EU has overriding control over free movement of people, law making and EU red tape such as business regulations and the ECJ having supremacy over domestic law courts no country living under those EU conditions can claim to be sovereign and independent. " As usual totally wrong as allways You make yourself look such a fool | |||
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" The Uk didnt vote to leave England and Wales did am willing to accept do you accept Scotland didnt vote to leave eh ? Did Scotland win in the Falklands war, or did Argentina? " Is that really your way round that lol Did England and Wales vote to leave ? Did Scotland and N.Ireland vote to remain ? Tell me CLCC you think brexit is going to be bad for the UK why then would you want Scotland to suffer brexit when Scotland has a way out ? Surely to god you would be saying Scotland get the fuck away from this mess ? | |||
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" God there you again with shite lol The Uk didnt vote to leave England and Wales did am willing to accept do you accept Scotland didnt vote to leave eh ? Also say Scotland is worse off with your brexit you willing to say to the Scottish people you dont care if they suffer the effects of brexit ? I mean what is it feart to go it alone ? Need someone to take your hand ? Lol They just want someone to help them pay the €50bn+ they just agreed to pay the EU.
The UK has been dimished on the world stage because of Brexit, the Tories losing streak in negotiations and they dont want to lose Northern Ireland and Scotland as well. The end of Britain wpuld relegate them even further as an economic and world power."A tragic end  | |||
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" God there you again with shite lol The Uk didnt vote to leave England and Wales did am willing to accept do you accept Scotland didnt vote to leave eh ? Also say Scotland is worse off with your brexit you willing to say to the Scottish people you dont care if they suffer the effects of brexit ? I mean what is it feart to go it alone ? Need someone to take your hand ? Lol They just want someone to help them pay the €50bn+ they just agreed to pay the EU.
The UK has been dimished on the world stage because of Brexit, the Tories losing streak in negotiations and they dont want to lose Northern Ireland and Scotland as well. The end of Britain wpuld relegate them even further as an economic and world power."Oh so you've suddenly changed to using Euros € now instead if Ponds £ Lmfao!
For months and months on here you were using POUNDS STERLING £ in terms of the Brexit bill and time and time again you were so cock sure of yourself that the UK would pay at least £50 billion POUNDS STERLING or more!. If the leak at the Telegraph tonight is to be believed you have just been proved wrong because they are saying the UK has agreed a figure of £45 billion POUNDS STERLING for the Brexit bill. So less than the £50 billion POUNDS STERLING you parroted time and time and time again on here. I maintained all along the UK would pay less than the £50 billion POUNDS STERLING you were so cock sure the EU would get for the divorce bill and looks like I've been proved right if the Telegraph leak turns out to be correct. You've been proved WRONG and I've been proved correct yet again (as I was with the EU referendum result, and The US Presidential election result). You can apologise when ever you feel ready. | |||
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"If scotland or northern Ireland decided to leave UK post brexit will they have to pay England part of the divorce bill ?????" Well that would be decided in negotiations between the leaving nations and England and Wales. But if the Tories are doing the negotiating then not only would Scotland and Wales not have to pay it but England an Walea would probably end up paying them | |||
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" God there you again with shite lol The Uk didnt vote to leave England and Wales did am willing to accept do you accept Scotland didnt vote to leave eh ? Also say Scotland is worse off with your brexit you willing to say to the Scottish people you dont care if they suffer the effects of brexit ? I mean what is it feart to go it alone ? Need someone to take your hand ? Lol They just want someone to help them pay the €50bn+ they just agreed to pay the EU.
The UK has been dimished on the world stage because of Brexit, the Tories losing streak in negotiations and they dont want to lose Northern Ireland and Scotland as well. The end of Britain wpuld relegate them even further as an economic and world power.
Oh so you've suddenly changed to using Euros € now instead if Ponds £ Lmfao!
For months and months on here you were using POUNDS STERLING £ in terms of the Brexit bill and time and time again you were so cock sure of yourself that the UK would pay at least £50 billion POUNDS STERLING or more!. If the leak at the Telegraph tonight is to be believed you have just been proved wrong because they are saying the UK has agreed a figure of £45 billion POUNDS STERLING for the Brexit bill. So less than the £50 billion POUNDS STERLING you parroted time and time and time again on here. I maintained all along the UK would pay less than the £50 billion POUNDS STERLING you were so cock sure the EU would get for the divorce bill and looks like I've been proved right if the Telegraph leak turns out to be correct. You've been proved WRONG and I've been proved correct yet again (as I was with the EU referendum result, and The US Presidential election result). You can apologise when ever you feel ready. "But you were the one a few months ago saying we wouldnt pay them anything | |||
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" God there you again with shite lol The Uk didnt vote to leave England and Wales did am willing to accept do you accept Scotland didnt vote to leave eh ? Also say Scotland is worse off with your brexit you willing to say to the Scottish people you dont care if they suffer the effects of brexit ? I mean what is it feart to go it alone ? Need someone to take your hand ? Lol They just want someone to help them pay the €50bn+ they just agreed to pay the EU.
The UK has been dimished on the world stage because of Brexit, the Tories losing streak in negotiations and they dont want to lose Northern Ireland and Scotland as well. The end of Britain wpuld relegate them even further as an economic and world power.
Oh so you've suddenly changed to using Euros € now instead if Ponds £ Lmfao!
For months and months on here you were using POUNDS STERLING £ in terms of the Brexit bill and time and time again you were so cock sure of yourself that the UK would pay at least £50 billion POUNDS STERLING or more!. If the leak at the Telegraph tonight is to be believed you have just been proved wrong because they are saying the UK has agreed a figure of £45 billion POUNDS STERLING for the Brexit bill. So less than the £50 billion POUNDS STERLING you parroted time and time and time again on here. I maintained all along the UK would pay less than the £50 billion POUNDS STERLING you were so cock sure the EU would get for the divorce bill and looks like I've been proved right if the Telegraph leak turns out to be correct. You've been proved WRONG and I've been proved correct yet again (as I was with the EU referendum result, and The US Presidential election result). You can apologise when ever you feel ready.
But you were the one a few months ago saying we wouldnt pay them anything "No I said the UK would end up paying less than £50 billion POUNDS STERLING and it looks like I've been proved correct if the Telegraph leak is accurate. | |||
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" God there you again with shite lol The Uk didnt vote to leave England and Wales did am willing to accept do you accept Scotland didnt vote to leave eh ? Also say Scotland is worse off with your brexit you willing to say to the Scottish people you dont care if they suffer the effects of brexit ? I mean what is it feart to go it alone ? Need someone to take your hand ? Lol They just want someone to help them pay the €50bn+ they just agreed to pay the EU.
The UK has been dimished on the world stage because of Brexit, the Tories losing streak in negotiations and they dont want to lose Northern Ireland and Scotland as well. The end of Britain wpuld relegate them even further as an economic and world power.
Oh so you've suddenly changed to using Euros € now instead if Ponds £ Lmfao!
For months and months on here you were using POUNDS STERLING £ in terms of the Brexit bill and time and time again you were so cock sure of yourself that the UK would pay at least £50 billion POUNDS STERLING or more!. If the leak at the Telegraph tonight is to be believed you have just been proved wrong because they are saying the UK has agreed a figure of £45 billion POUNDS STERLING for the Brexit bill. So less than the £50 billion POUNDS STERLING you parroted time and time and time again on here. I maintained all along the UK would pay less than the £50 billion POUNDS STERLING you were so cock sure the EU would get for the divorce bill and looks like I've been proved right if the Telegraph leak turns out to be correct. You've been proved WRONG and I've been proved correct yet again (as I was with the EU referendum result, and The US Presidential election result). You can apologise when ever you feel ready.
But you were the one a few months ago saying we wouldnt pay them anything
No I said the UK would end up paying less than £50 billion POUNDS STERLING and it looks like I've been proved correct if the Telegraph leak is accurate. "More disingenuous information from you...YOU said we wouldn't pay anything...you were pulled up at the time by lots of other posters | |||
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" God there you again with shite lol The Uk didnt vote to leave England and Wales did am willing to accept do you accept Scotland didnt vote to leave eh ? Also say Scotland is worse off with your brexit you willing to say to the Scottish people you dont care if they suffer the effects of brexit ? I mean what is it feart to go it alone ? Need someone to take your hand ? Lol They just want someone to help them pay the €50bn+ they just agreed to pay the EU.
The UK has been dimished on the world stage because of Brexit, the Tories losing streak in negotiations and they dont want to lose Northern Ireland and Scotland as well. The end of Britain wpuld relegate them even further as an economic and world power.
Oh so you've suddenly changed to using Euros € now instead if Ponds £ Lmfao!
For months and months on here you were using POUNDS STERLING £ in terms of the Brexit bill and time and time again you were so cock sure of yourself that the UK would pay at least £50 billion POUNDS STERLING or more!. If the leak at the Telegraph tonight is to be believed you have just been proved wrong because they are saying the UK has agreed a figure of £45 billion POUNDS STERLING for the Brexit bill. So less than the £50 billion POUNDS STERLING you parroted time and time and time again on here. I maintained all along the UK would pay less than the £50 billion POUNDS STERLING you were so cock sure the EU would get for the divorce bill and looks like I've been proved right if the Telegraph leak turns out to be correct. You've been proved WRONG and I've been proved correct yet again (as I was with the EU referendum result, and The US Presidential election result). You can apologise when ever you feel ready.
But you were the one a few months ago saying we wouldnt pay them anything
No I said the UK would end up paying less than £50 billion POUNDS STERLING and it looks like I've been proved correct if the Telegraph leak is accurate.
More disingenuous information from you...YOU said we wouldn't pay anything...you were pulled up at the time by lots of other posters "You seem to have some crossed wires here. I said the UK wouldn't pay a single penny if we leave without a deal and I still maintain that position. If the negotiations fail and we leave without a deal then the UK won't pay the EU anything. On the other hand if negotiations are successful I said all along the UK would settle on a divorce bill of less than £50 billion POUNDS STERLING. | |||
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" God there you again with shite lol The Uk didnt vote to leave England and Wales did am willing to accept do you accept Scotland didnt vote to leave eh ? Also say Scotland is worse off with your brexit you willing to say to the Scottish people you dont care if they suffer the effects of brexit ? I mean what is it feart to go it alone ? Need someone to take your hand ? Lol They just want someone to help them pay the €50bn+ they just agreed to pay the EU.
The UK has been dimished on the world stage because of Brexit, the Tories losing streak in negotiations and they dont want to lose Northern Ireland and Scotland as well. The end of Britain wpuld relegate them even further as an economic and world power.
Oh so you've suddenly changed to using Euros € now instead if Ponds £ Lmfao!
For months and months on here you were using POUNDS STERLING £ in terms of the Brexit bill and time and time again you were so cock sure of yourself that the UK would pay at least £50 billion POUNDS STERLING or more!. If the leak at the Telegraph tonight is to be believed you have just been proved wrong because they are saying the UK has agreed a figure of £45 billion POUNDS STERLING for the Brexit bill. So less than the £50 billion POUNDS STERLING you parroted time and time and time again on here. I maintained all along the UK would pay less than the £50 billion POUNDS STERLING you were so cock sure the EU would get for the divorce bill and looks like I've been proved right if the Telegraph leak turns out to be correct. You've been proved WRONG and I've been proved correct yet again (as I was with the EU referendum result, and The US Presidential election result). You can apologise when ever you feel ready.
But you were the one a few months ago saying we wouldnt pay them anything
No I said the UK would end up paying less than £50 billion POUNDS STERLING and it looks like I've been proved correct if the Telegraph leak is accurate.
More disingenuous information from you...YOU said we wouldn't pay anything...you were pulled up at the time by lots of other posters
You seem to have some crossed wires here. I said the UK wouldn't pay a single penny if we leave without a deal and I still maintain that position. If the negotiations fail and we leave without a deal then the UK won't pay the EU anything.
On the other hand if negotiations are successful I said all along the UK would settle on a divorce bill of less than £50 billion POUNDS STERLING. "But you did say it...people know you said it...as do you...your just back tracking now like normal | |||
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" God there you again with shite lol The Uk didnt vote to leave England and Wales did am willing to accept do you accept Scotland didnt vote to leave eh ? Also say Scotland is worse off with your brexit you willing to say to the Scottish people you dont care if they suffer the effects of brexit ? I mean what is it feart to go it alone ? Need someone to take your hand ? Lol They just want someone to help them pay the €50bn+ they just agreed to pay the EU.
The UK has been dimished on the world stage because of Brexit, the Tories losing streak in negotiations and they dont want to lose Northern Ireland and Scotland as well. The end of Britain wpuld relegate them even further as an economic and world power.
Oh so you've suddenly changed to using Euros € now instead if Ponds £ Lmfao!
For months and months on here you were using POUNDS STERLING £ in terms of the Brexit bill and time and time again you were so cock sure of yourself that the UK would pay at least £50 billion POUNDS STERLING or more!. If the leak at the Telegraph tonight is to be believed you have just been proved wrong because they are saying the UK has agreed a figure of £45 billion POUNDS STERLING for the Brexit bill. So less than the £50 billion POUNDS STERLING you parroted time and time and time again on here. I maintained all along the UK would pay less than the £50 billion POUNDS STERLING you were so cock sure the EU would get for the divorce bill and looks like I've been proved right if the Telegraph leak turns out to be correct. You've been proved WRONG and I've been proved correct yet again (as I was with the EU referendum result, and The US Presidential election result). You can apologise when ever you feel ready.
But you were the one a few months ago saying we wouldnt pay them anything
No I said the UK would end up paying less than £50 billion POUNDS STERLING and it looks like I've been proved correct if the Telegraph leak is accurate.
More disingenuous information from you...YOU said we wouldn't pay anything...you were pulled up at the time by lots of other posters
You seem to have some crossed wires here. I said the UK wouldn't pay a single penny if we leave without a deal and I still maintain that position. If the negotiations fail and we leave without a deal then the UK won't pay the EU anything.
On the other hand if negotiations are successful I said all along the UK would settle on a divorce bill of less than £50 billion POUNDS STERLING.
But you did say it...people know you said it...as do you...your just back tracking now like normal "Not back tracked on anything. There are 2 possible outcomes to the negotiations, a deal or a no deal. I have previously outlined what the UK would pay (or wouldn't pay) in both possible outcomes. In the event of no deal then we won't pay the EU anything. | |||
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" God there you again with shite lol The Uk didnt vote to leave England and Wales did am willing to accept do you accept Scotland didnt vote to leave eh ? Also say Scotland is worse off with your brexit you willing to say to the Scottish people you dont care if they suffer the effects of brexit ? I mean what is it feart to go it alone ? Need someone to take your hand ? Lol They just want someone to help them pay the €50bn+ they just agreed to pay the EU.
The UK has been dimished on the world stage because of Brexit, the Tories losing streak in negotiations and they dont want to lose Northern Ireland and Scotland as well. The end of Britain wpuld relegate them even further as an economic and world power.
Oh so you've suddenly changed to using Euros € now instead if Ponds £ Lmfao!
For months and months on here you were using POUNDS STERLING £ in terms of the Brexit bill and time and time again you were so cock sure of yourself that the UK would pay at least £50 billion POUNDS STERLING or more!. If the leak at the Telegraph tonight is to be believed you have just been proved wrong because they are saying the UK has agreed a figure of £45 billion POUNDS STERLING for the Brexit bill. So less than the £50 billion POUNDS STERLING you parroted time and time and time again on here. I maintained all along the UK would pay less than the £50 billion POUNDS STERLING you were so cock sure the EU would get for the divorce bill and looks like I've been proved right if the Telegraph leak turns out to be correct. You've been proved WRONG and I've been proved correct yet again (as I was with the EU referendum result, and The US Presidential election result). You can apologise when ever you feel ready.
But you were the one a few months ago saying we wouldnt pay them anything
No I said the UK would end up paying less than £50 billion POUNDS STERLING and it looks like I've been proved correct if the Telegraph leak is accurate.
More disingenuous information from you...YOU said we wouldn't pay anything...you were pulled up at the time by lots of other posters
You seem to have some crossed wires here. I said the UK wouldn't pay a single penny if we leave without a deal and I still maintain that position. If the negotiations fail and we leave without a deal then the UK won't pay the EU anything.
On the other hand if negotiations are successful I said all along the UK would settle on a divorce bill of less than £50 billion POUNDS STERLING.
But you did say it...people know you said it...as do you...your just back tracking now like normal
Not back tracked on anything. There are 2 possible outcomes to the negotiations, a deal or a no deal. I have previously outlined what the UK would pay (or wouldn't pay) in both possible outcomes. In the event of no deal then we won't pay the EU anything. "And you said the latter...man up for once and admit you got it wrong...its not difficult | |||
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" Oh so you've suddenly changed to using Euros € now instead if Ponds £ Lmfao!
For months and months on here you were using POUNDS STERLING £ in terms of the Brexit bill and time and time again you were so cock sure of yourself that the UK would pay at least £50 billion POUNDS STERLING or more!. If the leak at the Telegraph tonight is to be believed you have just been proved wrong because they are saying the UK has agreed a figure of £45 billion POUNDS STERLING for the Brexit bill. So less than the £50 billion POUNDS STERLING you parroted time and time and time again on here. I maintained all along the UK would pay less than the £50 billion POUNDS STERLING you were so cock sure the EU would get for the divorce bill and looks like I've been proved right if the Telegraph leak turns out to be correct. You've been proved WRONG and I've been proved correct yet again (as I was with the EU referendum result, and The US Presidential election result). You can apologise when ever you feel ready. "Wow....I almost feel a little bad doing this. Its like tripping up a special needs child...although in this case Centy has it coming. Ive actually never talked about the divorce bill in pounds. Sorry but its true. Ive only ever talked about it in euros because 1. I use euros not pounds here in Dublin. 2. The newspapers here use euros not pounds and 3. The bill will be paid in euros not pounds so the pound figure isnt relevant. But talk is cheap so I had a quick look over my posts for you (mostly because the idea of you looking at the posts and seeing youre completely in the wrong and just made a gigantic fool of yourself amuses me) and I got 2 links to old posts for you to look at where multiple times I use € and never once use £. I think I quote 50bn 7 times between the 2 and never once use the pound,its always with the € sign or without. https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/698601 https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/701363 So....I was right Centy. You were wrong. As usual. I mean its not much of a surprise. Oh and just one last inconsequential thing. The Guardian leak that was confirmed by members on both sides said that the settlement figure is BETWEEN €50 and €62bn, or in pounds, £45 and £55bn, so you'd still be wrong. | |||
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"... This will be a final offer from the UK, you won't be getting your 50 billion. It's a 40 billion take it or leave it offer, which is still only conditional upon reaching a free trade deal). The EU refuse this offer then the UK will walk away from the negotiations and in that event you won't get a single penny." Sorry, have you not been paying attention so far? The Tories are...how to put this delicately....the EUs bitch. Sequencing Divorce bill first ECJ over UK courts The amount of the divorce bill Delay in starting the trade talks Every single time the Tories have been slapped down because theyre an incompetent joke of a government. Mays "final offers" and "red line issues" have been ignored by the EU at will. May will take the deal she's given and be glad of it....just like happened in the divroce bill negotiations | |||
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"Just to be clear. Not my views.
Apologies, re-reading it I recognised it as a Centy quote. My bad "DOHHHHHHH!!!!!!! | |||
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"Support for independence in Scotland is on a downward trajectory, don't bother listening to kinky,s guff. If it wants independence and join the EU it would need to cut its deficit to under 3% and reduce its debt to 60% of GDP before its even considered for membership, slashing public spending and horrendous tax hikes to make those targets. And then it would have a hard border between it and the remaining UK, rendering all exports and imports more expensive and currency transaction costs. The very thing that they are highlighting in the case of NI and the RoI would be replicated at the Scottish/English border. This is worth baring in mind when you consider the amount to of internal trade done within the UK at the moment. It would be an act of folly that would dwarf the impact of Brexit on the people of Scotland. " In your opinion lets look at the bigger picture in the 3 years since the 2014 independence referendum have the unionists side managed to kill off independence ? Nope they have not why you ask well the Scottish people handed SNP a mandate to deliver on their manifesto policy to have the right to hold a referendum when the brexit deal is known and further more the Holyrood passed the section 30 order that is a democractic vote Also the unionist branch office ran with there anti independence guff in the Scottish and UK elections and couldnt win a majority of Scottish seats lol Then they unionists had the cheek to tell the Scottish government to take independence off the table imagine that eh telling an elected party in government to take a policy that people voted for off the table maybe just maybe if the unionist branch offices had won in Scotland they could have took independence off the table dry your eyes you will still get to vote no in a future independence referendum lol Also money is not devolved to Scotland so that Westminster government fucking up by adding to the UK debt and borrowing more and more Also as an added bonus i will like this here .. THE UK’s spending watchdog has backed down in a row with the Scottish Government over how many people pay more income tax under the SNP. The National Audit Office (NAO) admitted it had issued an “overestimate” of the number, and revised it down into line with the SNP’s own figure. Content-play The SNP are demanding an apology from the Scottish Tories for their “shameful” claim the Scottish Government bullied the NAO on the issue | |||
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"Support for independence in Scotland is on a downward trajectory, don't bother listening to kinky,s guff. If it wants independence and join the EU it would need to cut its deficit to under 3% and reduce its debt to 60% of GDP before its even considered for membership, slashing public spending and horrendous tax hikes to make those targets. And then it would have a hard border between it and the remaining UK, rendering all exports and imports more expensive and currency transaction costs. The very thing that they are highlighting in the case of NI and the RoI would be replicated at the Scottish/English border. This is worth baring in mind when you consider the amount to of internal trade done within the UK at the moment. It would be an act of folly that would dwarf the impact of Brexit on the people of Scotland. In your opinion lets look at the bigger picture in the 3 years since the 2014 independence referendum have the unionists side managed to kill off independence ? Nope they have not why you ask well the Scottish people handed SNP a mandate to deliver on their manifesto policy to have the right to hold a referendum when the brexit deal is known and further more the Holyrood passed the section 30 order that is a democractic vote Also the unionist branch office ran with there anti independence guff in the Scottish and UK elections and couldnt win a majority of Scottish seats lol Then they unionists had the cheek to tell the Scottish government to take independence off the table imagine that eh telling an elected party in government to take a policy that people voted for off the table maybe just maybe if the unionist branch offices had won in Scotland they could have took independence off the table dry your eyes you will still get to vote no in a future independence referendum lol Also money is not devolved to Scotland so that Westminster government fucking up by adding to the UK debt and borrowing more and more Also as an added bonus i will like this here .. THE UK’s spending watchdog has backed down in a row with the Scottish Government over how many people pay more income tax under the SNP. The National Audit Office (NAO) admitted it had issued an “overestimate” of the number, and revised it down into line with the SNP’s own figure. Content-play The SNP are demanding an apology from the Scottish Tories for their “shameful” claim the Scottish Government bullied the NAO on the issue " Taxation is a devolved issue. Stop lying. | |||
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" God there you again with shite lol The Uk didnt vote to leave England and Wales did am willing to accept do you accept Scotland didnt vote to leave eh ? Also say Scotland is worse off with your brexit you willing to say to the Scottish people you dont care if they suffer the effects of brexit ? I mean what is it feart to go it alone ? Need someone to take your hand ? Lol They just want someone to help them pay the €50bn+ they just agreed to pay the EU.
The UK has been dimished on the world stage because of Brexit, the Tories losing streak in negotiations and they dont want to lose Northern Ireland and Scotland as well. The end of Britain wpuld relegate them even further as an economic and world power.
Oh so you've suddenly changed to using Euros € now instead if Ponds £ Lmfao!
For months and months on here you were using POUNDS STERLING £ in terms of the Brexit bill and time and time again you were so cock sure of yourself that the UK would pay at least £50 billion POUNDS STERLING or more!. If the leak at the Telegraph tonight is to be believed you have just been proved wrong because they are saying the UK has agreed a figure of £45 billion POUNDS STERLING for the Brexit bill. So less than the £50 billion POUNDS STERLING you parroted time and time and time again on here. I maintained all along the UK would pay less than the £50 billion POUNDS STERLING you were so cock sure the EU would get for the divorce bill and looks like I've been proved right if the Telegraph leak turns out to be correct. You've been proved WRONG and I've been proved correct yet again (as I was with the EU referendum result, and The US Presidential election result). You can apologise when ever you feel ready.
But you were the one a few months ago saying we wouldnt pay them anything
No I said the UK would end up paying less than £50 billion POUNDS STERLING and it looks like I've been proved correct if the Telegraph leak is accurate.
More disingenuous information from you...YOU said we wouldn't pay anything...you were pulled up at the time by lots of other posters
You seem to have some crossed wires here. I said the UK wouldn't pay a single penny if we leave without a deal and I still maintain that position. If the negotiations fail and we leave without a deal then the UK won't pay the EU anything.
On the other hand if negotiations are successful I said all along the UK would settle on a divorce bill of less than £50 billion POUNDS STERLING.
But you did say it...people know you said it...as do you...your just back tracking now like normal
Not back tracked on anything. There are 2 possible outcomes to the negotiations, a deal or a no deal. I have previously outlined what the UK would pay (or wouldn't pay) in both possible outcomes. In the event of no deal then we won't pay the EU anything. "Stop lieing all the time fo you think we’re all stupid in here your facts are your allways wrong everything your posts are incredibly boring you talk nonesence why don’t you go and join up with your darling tories they all lie as well | |||
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For months and months on here you were using POUNDS STERLING £ in terms of the Brexit bill and time and time again you were so cock sure of yourself that the UK would pay at least £50 billion POUNDS STERLING or more!. If the leak at the Telegraph tonight is to be believed you have just been proved wrong because they are saying the UK has agreed a figure of £45 billion POUNDS STERLING for the Brexit bill. So less than the £50 billion POUNDS STERLING you parroted time and time and time again on here. I maintained all along the UK would pay less than the £50 billion POUNDS STERLING you were so cock sure the EU would get for the divorce bill and looks like I've been proved right if the Telegraph leak turns out to be correct. You've been proved WRONG and I've been proved correct yet again (as I was with the EU referendum result, and The US Presidential election result). You can apologise when ever you feel ready.
Wow....I almost feel a little bad doing this. Its like tripping up a special needs child...although in this case Centy has it coming.
Ive actually never talked about the divorce bill in pounds. Sorry but its true. Ive only ever talked about it in euros because 1. I use euros not pounds here in Dublin. 2. The newspapers here use euros not pounds and 3. The bill will be paid in euros not pounds so the pound figure isnt relevant.
But talk is cheap so I had a quick look over my posts for you (mostly because the idea of you looking at the posts and seeing youre completely in the wrong and just made a gigantic fool of yourself amuses me) and I got 2 links to old posts for you to look at where multiple times I use € and never once use £. I think I quote 50bn 7 times between the 2 and never once use the pound,its always with the € sign or without.
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So....I was right Centy. You were wrong. As usual. I mean its not much of a surprise.
Oh and just one last inconsequential thing. The Guardian leak that was confirmed by members on both sides said that the settlement figure is BETWEEN €50 and €62bn, or in pounds, £45 and £55bn, so you'd still be wrong. "The only thing you are right about in that entire post is that 'talk is cheap'. I've always talked about the divorce bill in £ POUNDS STERLING on here, Firstly because 1. I use £ POUNDS STERLING here in the uk and 2. Most of the newspapers here in the uk use £ POUNDS not Euros. As I've consistently used £ POUNDS STERLING on here in relation to the divorce bill and you continuously disagreed with my opinion that the UK would settle for a final bill of less than £50 billion POUNDS STERLING that shows you did engage in debate about the divorce bill in relation to £ POUNDS STERLING by replying to my posts on the threads you provided links to. So you DID in fact engage in debate about the divorce bill in relation to £ POUNDS STERLING by replying to my posts no matter how hard you try to weasel your way out of it. So...... I was right, and you were wrong. As usual. I mean it's not much of a surprise. Oh and just one last inconsequential thing. The Guardian leak you referred to said between £45 and £55 billion POUNDS STERLING so if its on the lower scale of that leak anything below £50 billion POUNDS STERLING means I'm right and you were always wrong. | |||
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" Oh so you've suddenly changed to using Euros € now instead if Ponds £ Lmfao!
For months and months on here you were using POUNDS STERLING £ in terms of the Brexit bill and time and time again you were so cock sure of yourself that the UK would pay at least £50 billion POUNDS STERLING or more!. If the leak at the Telegraph tonight is to be believed you have just been proved wrong because they are saying the UK has agreed a figure of £45 billion POUNDS STERLING for the Brexit bill. So less than the £50 billion POUNDS STERLING you parroted time and time and time again on here. I maintained all along the UK would pay less than the £50 billion POUNDS STERLING you were so cock sure the EU would get for the divorce bill and looks like I've been proved right if the Telegraph leak turns out to be correct. You've been proved WRONG and I've been proved correct yet again (as I was with the EU referendum result, and The US Presidential election result). You can apologise when ever you feel ready.
Wow....I almost feel a little bad doing this. Its like tripping up a special needs child...although in this case Centy has it coming.
Ive actually never talked about the divorce bill in pounds. Sorry but its true. Ive only ever talked about it in euros because 1. I use euros not pounds here in Dublin. 2. The newspapers here use euros not pounds and 3. The bill will be paid in euros not pounds so the pound figure isnt relevant.
But talk is cheap so I had a quick look over my posts for you (mostly because the idea of you looking at the posts and seeing youre completely in the wrong and just made a gigantic fool of yourself amuses me) and I got 2 links to old posts for you to look at where multiple times I use € and never once use £. I think I quote 50bn 7 times between the 2 and never once use the pound,its always with the € sign or without.
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So....I was right Centy. You were wrong. As usual. I mean its not much of a surprise.
Oh and just one last inconsequential thing. The Guardian leak that was confirmed by members on both sides said that the settlement figure is BETWEEN €50 and €62bn, or in pounds, £45 and £55bn, so you'd still be wrong.
The only thing you are right about in that entire post is that 'talk is cheap'. I've always talked about the divorce bill in £ POUNDS STERLING on here, Firstly because 1. I use £ POUNDS STERLING here in the uk and 2. Most of the newspapers here in the uk use £ POUNDS not Euros. As I've consistently used £ POUNDS STERLING on here in relation to the divorce bill and you continuously disagreed with my opinion that the UK would settle for a final bill of less than £50 billion POUNDS STERLING that shows you did engage in debate about the divorce bill in relation to £ POUNDS STERLING by replying to my posts on the threads you provided links to. So you DID in fact engage in debate about the divorce bill in relation to £ POUNDS STERLING by replying to my posts no matter how hard you try to weasel your way out of it.
So...... I was right, and you were wrong. As usual. I mean it's not much of a surprise.
Oh and just one last inconsequential thing. The Guardian leak you referred to said between £45 and £55 billion POUNDS STERLING so if its on the lower scale of that leak anything below £50 billion POUNDS STERLING means I'm right and you were always wrong. "You were never right...as you posted the UK wont pay a penny | |||
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" Oh so you've suddenly changed to using Euros € now instead if Ponds £ Lmfao!
For months and months on here you were using POUNDS STERLING £ in terms of the Brexit bill and time and time again you were so cock sure of yourself that the UK would pay at least £50 billion POUNDS STERLING or more!. If the leak at the Telegraph tonight is to be believed you have just been proved wrong because they are saying the UK has agreed a figure of £45 billion POUNDS STERLING for the Brexit bill. So less than the £50 billion POUNDS STERLING you parroted time and time and time again on here. I maintained all along the UK would pay less than the £50 billion POUNDS STERLING you were so cock sure the EU would get for the divorce bill and looks like I've been proved right if the Telegraph leak turns out to be correct. You've been proved WRONG and I've been proved correct yet again (as I was with the EU referendum result, and The US Presidential election result). You can apologise when ever you feel ready.
Wow....I almost feel a little bad doing this. Its like tripping up a special needs child...although in this case Centy has it coming.
Ive actually never talked about the divorce bill in pounds. Sorry but its true. Ive only ever talked about it in euros because 1. I use euros not pounds here in Dublin. 2. The newspapers here use euros not pounds and 3. The bill will be paid in euros not pounds so the pound figure isnt relevant.
But talk is cheap so I had a quick look over my posts for you (mostly because the idea of you looking at the posts and seeing youre completely in the wrong and just made a gigantic fool of yourself amuses me) and I got 2 links to old posts for you to look at where multiple times I use € and never once use £. I think I quote 50bn 7 times between the 2 and never once use the pound,its always with the € sign or without.
https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/698601
https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/701363
So....I was right Centy. You were wrong. As usual. I mean its not much of a surprise.
Oh and just one last inconsequential thing. The Guardian leak that was confirmed by members on both sides said that the settlement figure is BETWEEN €50 and €62bn, or in pounds, £45 and £55bn, so you'd still be wrong.
The only thing you are right about in that entire post is that 'talk is cheap'. I've always talked about the divorce bill in £ POUNDS STERLING on here, Firstly because 1. I use £ POUNDS STERLING here in the uk and 2. Most of the newspapers here in the uk use £ POUNDS not Euros. As I've consistently used £ POUNDS STERLING on here in relation to the divorce bill and you continuously disagreed with my opinion that the UK would settle for a final bill of less than £50 billion POUNDS STERLING that shows you did engage in debate about the divorce bill in relation to £ POUNDS STERLING by replying to my posts on the threads you provided links to. So you DID in fact engage in debate about the divorce bill in relation to £ POUNDS STERLING by replying to my posts no matter how hard you try to weasel your way out of it.
So...... I was right, and you were wrong. As usual. I mean it's not much of a surprise.
Oh and just one last inconsequential thing. The Guardian leak you referred to said between £45 and £55 billion POUNDS STERLING so if its on the lower scale of that leak anything below £50 billion POUNDS STERLING means I'm right and you were always wrong.
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"CLCC i hate posting links to papers but since so many people on here seem to take their word for it here is the link http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15688340.UK_watchdog_backs_down_in_tax_row_with_SNP/ The Tories lied to Scottish people about taxation. There isn't even an apology sick bastards the Tories are please dont try and defend them Taxation is a devolved issue. That article doesn't say anything to the contrary. " CLCC did the Tories lie to the Scottis people over taxation yes or no ? Are you really going to defend them ? | |||
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" The only thing you are right about in that entire post is that 'talk is cheap'. I've always talked about the divorce bill in £ POUNDS STERLING on here, Firstly because 1. I use £ POUNDS STERLING here in the uk and 2. Most of the newspapers here in the uk use £ POUNDS not Euros. As I've consistently used £ POUNDS STERLING on here in relation to the divorce bill and you continuously disagreed with my opinion that the UK would settle for a final bill of less than £50 billion POUNDS STERLING that shows you did engage in debate about the divorce bill in relation to £ POUNDS STERLING by replying to my posts on the threads you provided links to. So you DID in fact engage in debate about the divorce bill in relation to £ POUNDS STERLING by replying to my posts no matter how hard you try to weasel your way out of it. So...... I was right, and you were wrong. As usual. I mean it's not much of a surprise. Oh and just one last inconsequential thing. The Guardian leak you referred to said between £45 and £55 billion POUNDS STERLING so if its on the lower scale of that leak anything below £50 billion POUNDS STERLING means I'm right and you were always wrong. Oh Centy, dont be silly, you started the summer saying £12bn, then said £20bn take it or leave it, then £40bn was the final offer only last week. Youve changed your position on the final amount as much as May has. Ive consistently said for 7 months that it would be ~50bn. And from the start you said it would be nothing close to that. I think you forget that most people on here saw those posts as well and know full well about youre ever changing position. I mean for your version of things to be true where youre correct and Im wrong would mean that we were disagreeing over a mere 10% of the value of the settlement. For 7 months. This is almost as ridiculous as the time you claimed that losing the battle of the summer on day 1 was a victory for David Davis. Poor,poor Centaur. It must be hard to have the reality of the world bitchslap you across the face like this, particularly when its only going to get worse. There are more Tory capitulations coming."   | |||
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""Nope they have not why you ask well the Scottish people handed SNP a mandate to deliver on their manifesto policy to have the right to hold a referendum when the brexit deal is known and further more the Holyrood passed the section 30 order that is a democractic vote" This is what I mean when I wrote guff, the Scottish people did not give the snp a mandate, they are a minority government and it even lies when it says they passed a section 30 order, that is beyond the Scottish Parliament authority, as that is a reserved power retained to Westminster. Why do you persist in telling these lies? And thanks for avoiding the issues that I raised, is that because you are unable to do so? " Interesting so this is what Ruth Davidson said in 2011 do you agree with her or not ?You don’t get a referendum for free, you have to earn it. So if the Greens and the SNP – and the SSP or any of the other parties who’ve declared an interest in independence – get over the line and can make a coalition, make a majority, get the votes in the Parliament, then they’ll vote through a referendum, and that’s what democracy’s all about… it’s perfectly simple” | |||
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"Kinky, you said "money is not devolved to Scotland". That is a LIE. Taxation is devolved. Stop Lying. Oh for fuck sake how hard is it to understand this that is embarrassing Right see any money raised in Scotland it gets send down to the Westminster treasury for them to give Scotland some of that money back through the block grant That means money is not devolved to Scotland Our Scottish government gets a set budget to work with from Westminster and yes the Scottish government is in control of where the money gets spend fucking hell how hard is that the UK is fucked if people find that hard to understand lol " No. Scotland can raise taxes, Scotland can lower taxes. It has those powers. It choses not to use them. Now STOP LYING. | |||
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"Kinky, you said "money is not devolved to Scotland". That is a LIE. Taxation is devolved. Stop Lying. Oh for fuck sake how hard is it to understand this that is embarrassing Right see any money raised in Scotland it gets send down to the Westminster treasury for them to give Scotland some of that money back through the block grant That means money is not devolved to Scotland Our Scottish government gets a set budget to work with from Westminster and yes the Scottish government is in control of where the money gets spend fucking hell how hard is that the UK is fucked if people find that hard to understand lol No. Scotland can raise taxes, Scotland can lower taxes. It has those powers. It choses not to use them. Now STOP LYING. " Am not lying money is not devolved to Scotland Are you honestly saying no money gets send upto Scotland from Westminster through the block grant ? So to be clear CLCC do you want the Scottish people to pay more tax to cover Tory cuts Scotland never voted for ? | |||
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" The only thing you are right about in that entire post is that 'talk is cheap'. I've always talked about the divorce bill in £ POUNDS STERLING on here, Firstly because 1. I use £ POUNDS STERLING here in the uk and 2. Most of the newspapers here in the uk use £ POUNDS not Euros. As I've consistently used £ POUNDS STERLING on here in relation to the divorce bill and you continuously disagreed with my opinion that the UK would settle for a final bill of less than £50 billion POUNDS STERLING that shows you did engage in debate about the divorce bill in relation to £ POUNDS STERLING by replying to my posts on the threads you provided links to. So you DID in fact engage in debate about the divorce bill in relation to £ POUNDS STERLING by replying to my posts no matter how hard you try to weasel your way out of it. So...... I was right, and you were wrong. As usual. I mean it's not much of a surprise. Oh and just one last inconsequential thing. The Guardian leak you referred to said between £45 and £55 billion POUNDS STERLING so if its on the lower scale of that leak anything below £50 billion POUNDS STERLING means I'm right and you were always wrong. Oh Centy, dont be silly, you started the summer saying £12bn, then said £20bn take it or leave it, then £40bn was the final offer only last week. Youve changed your position on the final amount as much as May has. Ive consistently said for 7 months that it would be ~50bn. And from the start you said it would be nothing close to that. I think you forget that most people on here saw those posts as well and know full well about youre ever changing position. I mean for your version of things to be true where youre correct and Im wrong would mean that we were disagreeing over a mere 10% of the value of the settlement. For 7 months. This is almost as ridiculous as the time you claimed that losing the battle of the summer on day 1 was a victory for David Davis. Poor,poor Centaur. It must be hard to have the reality of the world bitchslap you across the face like this, particularly when its only going to get worse. There are more Tory capitulations coming." Don't be silly, you started the summer like many remainers by saying 100 billion which the EU seem to have come up with that figure on the back of a fag packet. Then it went down to around 80 billion and then you seem to have settled for somewhere just above £50 billion. You've changed your position on the final amount as much as Barnier has. I've consistently said for 7 months the UK would pay nothing in the event of no deal or in the event of a deal the bill would be less than £50 billion POUNDS STERLING. From the start you insisted it would be more than £50 billion. I think you've forgot that most people on here saw those posts as well and know full well about your ever changing position. Poor, Poor explicitlylyrics. It must be hard to have the reality of the UK to bitch slap you across the face like this and reject your precious EU project, particularly as we move closer to the exit door in March 2019 to free ourselves and say Bye, Bye to that steaming pile of bureaucratic shit in Brussels. | |||
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""So the time is right, in my view, to open a discussion about how responsible and progressive use of our tax powers could help build the kind of country we want to be - one with the highest quality public services, well-rewarded public servants, good support for business, a strong social contract and effective policies to tackle poverty and inequality." - Nicola Sturgeon 5th Sept 2017. Nicola Sturgeon knows Scotland has tax powers. She's making kinky look a bit stupid claiming that Scotland doesn't have those powers! "Kinky is calling Nicola Sturgeon a liar now! Still doesn't know that Scotland has tax raising powers! | |||
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Kinky is calling Nicola Sturgeon a liar now! Still doesn't know that Scotland has tax raising powers! "Where did you see me calling Nicola a liar putting words in my mouth now eh CLCC ? What thats the matter cant answer my questions caught out lying yourself eh Now CLCC are you saying no money gets send upto Scotland from Westminster through the block grant ? Out of interest CLCC what do you think about Scottish Labour branch office when they were in goverment in Scotland sending £1billion underspend money back to Westminster because they didnt have a clue on what to spend it on ? I dont know but it sure as hell CLCC looks like you dont want to answer my questions lmao | |||
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" The only thing you are right about in that entire post is that 'talk is cheap'. I've always talked about the divorce bill in £ POUNDS STERLING on here, Firstly because 1. I use £ POUNDS STERLING here in the uk and 2. Most of the newspapers here in the uk use £ POUNDS not Euros. As I've consistently used £ POUNDS STERLING on here in relation to the divorce bill and you continuously disagreed with my opinion that the UK would settle for a final bill of less than £50 billion POUNDS STERLING that shows you did engage in debate about the divorce bill in relation to £ POUNDS STERLING by replying to my posts on the threads you provided links to. So you DID in fact engage in debate about the divorce bill in relation to £ POUNDS STERLING by replying to my posts no matter how hard you try to weasel your way out of it. So...... I was right, and you were wrong. As usual. I mean it's not much of a surprise. Oh and just one last inconsequential thing. The Guardian leak you referred to said between £45 and £55 billion POUNDS STERLING so if its on the lower scale of that leak anything below £50 billion POUNDS STERLING means I'm right and you were always wrong. Oh Centy, dont be silly, you started the summer saying £12bn, then said £20bn take it or leave it, then £40bn was the final offer only last week. Youve changed your position on the final amount as much as May has. Ive consistently said for 7 months that it would be ~50bn. And from the start you said it would be nothing close to that. I think you forget that most people on here saw those posts as well and know full well about youre ever changing position. I mean for your version of things to be true where youre correct and Im wrong would mean that we were disagreeing over a mere 10% of the value of the settlement. For 7 months. This is almost as ridiculous as the time you claimed that losing the battle of the summer on day 1 was a victory for David Davis. Poor,poor Centaur. It must be hard to have the reality of the world bitchslap you across the face like this, particularly when its only going to get worse. There are more Tory capitulations coming. Don't be silly, you started the summer like many remainers by saying 100 billion which the EU seem to have come up with that figure on the back of a fag packet. Then it went down to around 80 billion and then you seem to have settled for somewhere just above £50 billion. You've changed your position on the final amount as much as Barnier has. I've consistently said for 7 months the UK would pay nothing in the event of no deal or in the event of a deal the bill would be less than £50 billion POUNDS STERLING. From the start you insisted it would be more than £50 billion. I think you've forgot that most people on here saw those posts as well and know full well about your ever changing position. Poor, Poor explicitlylyrics. It must be hard to have the reality of the UK to bitch slap you across the face like this and reject your precious EU project, particularly as we move closer to the exit door in March 2019 to free ourselves and say Bye, Bye to that steaming pile of bureaucratic shit in Brussels. " Ha ha, except that not only do you know full well I only ever said 50bn you actually referenced that fact in this thread. I get it though, parodying my post is something a 4 year old would do and you have demonstrated that level of understanding throughout. But thats ok. Nobody expects honesty from you at this stage. I mean the schaedenfreude of seeing Mays resolve crumble and you seeing your dreams of David 'British Lion' Davis bringing the EU to heel is enough to sustain me through the hard winter months. This actually is funnier than the moment you realised the Sun had lied in their headline by declaring sequencing was secretly a victory for Davis. And that was hilarious!
But the fun doesnt stop. There are only days left to sort out citizen rights before the deadline. Luckily for both of us I wouldnt be surprised to see May get an extension on Northern Ireland (you know, like a student would because they cant organise themselves properly to do their work). May crumbling on all 3 issues in the space of a week would finish her in politics and destroy all credibility for the Tories and thats not really useful for the EU at this stage.
The downside is that that particular capitulation will happen sooner rather than later so its a whole seperate humiliation you and the Tories will have to endure. | |||
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" The only thing you are right about in that entire post is that 'talk is cheap'. I've always talked about the divorce bill in £ POUNDS STERLING on here, Firstly because 1. I use £ POUNDS STERLING here in the uk and 2. Most of the newspapers here in the uk use £ POUNDS not Euros. As I've consistently used £ POUNDS STERLING on here in relation to the divorce bill and you continuously disagreed with my opinion that the UK would settle for a final bill of less than £50 billion POUNDS STERLING that shows you did engage in debate about the divorce bill in relation to £ POUNDS STERLING by replying to my posts on the threads you provided links to. So you DID in fact engage in debate about the divorce bill in relation to £ POUNDS STERLING by replying to my posts no matter how hard you try to weasel your way out of it. So...... I was right, and you were wrong. As usual. I mean it's not much of a surprise. Oh and just one last inconsequential thing. The Guardian leak you referred to said between £45 and £55 billion POUNDS STERLING so if its on the lower scale of that leak anything below £50 billion POUNDS STERLING means I'm right and you were always wrong. Oh Centy, dont be silly, you started the summer saying £12bn, then said £20bn take it or leave it, then £40bn was the final offer only last week. Youve changed your position on the final amount as much as May has. Ive consistently said for 7 months that it would be ~50bn. And from the start you said it would be nothing close to that. I think you forget that most people on here saw those posts as well and know full well about youre ever changing position. I mean for your version of things to be true where youre correct and Im wrong would mean that we were disagreeing over a mere 10% of the value of the settlement. For 7 months. This is almost as ridiculous as the time you claimed that losing the battle of the summer on day 1 was a victory for David Davis. Poor,poor Centaur. It must be hard to have the reality of the world bitchslap you across the face like this, particularly when its only going to get worse. There are more Tory capitulations coming. Don't be silly, you started the summer like many remainers by saying 100 billion which the EU seem to have come up with that figure on the back of a fag packet. Then it went down to around 80 billion and then you seem to have settled for somewhere just above £50 billion. You've changed your position on the final amount as much as Barnier has. I've consistently said for 7 months the UK would pay nothing in the event of no deal or in the event of a deal the bill would be less than £50 billion POUNDS STERLING. From the start you insisted it would be more than £50 billion. I think you've forgot that most people on here saw those posts as well and know full well about your ever changing position. Poor, Poor explicitlylyrics. It must be hard to have the reality of the UK to bitch slap you across the face like this and reject your precious EU project, particularly as we move closer to the exit door in March 2019 to free ourselves and say Bye, Bye to that steaming pile of bureaucratic shit in Brussels. Ha ha, except that not only do you know full well I only ever said 50bn you actually referenced that fact in this thread. I get it though, parodying my post is something a 4 year old would do and you have demonstrated that level of understanding throughout. But thats ok. Nobody expects honesty from you at this stage. I mean the schaedenfreude of seeing Mays resolve crumble and you seeing your dreams of David 'British Lion' Davis bringing the EU to heel is enough to sustain me through the hard winter months. This actually is funnier than the moment you realised the Sun had lied in their headline by declaring sequencing was secretly a victory for Davis. And that was hilarious!
But the fun doesnt stop. There are only days left to sort out citizen rights before the deadline. Luckily for both of us I wouldnt be surprised to see May get an extension on Northern Ireland (you know, like a student would because they cant organise themselves properly to do their work). May crumbling on all 3 issues in the space of a week would finish her in politics and destroy all credibility for the Tories and thats not really useful for the EU at this stage.
The downside is that that particular capitulation will happen sooner rather than later so its a whole seperate humiliation you and the Tories will have to endure."The so called "battle of the summer" you keep banging on about was in part a victory for the UK. As the UK had expressed that Uk/EU citizens rights was a priority for the UK in Nov/Dec 2016 a full 3 months before article 50 was triggered and long before the EU said it was a priority for them. It's been explained to you multiple times on multiple threads and I'll keep explaining it to you as long as you keep bringing It up. The UK tried to do a deal on UK/EU citizens rights in Nov/Dec 2016 months before article 50 was triggered and months before the EU gave any indication it was a priority for them. Hell, you even admitted yourself a couple of days ago (after this was explained to you for the umpteenth time), you said "it was a priority for both the EU and the Uk" after months of saying how it was only a priority for the EU. You keep coming out with this laughable stuff though until our exit in March 2019, it is highly entertaining if nothing else. | |||
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" The only thing you are right about in that entire post is that 'talk is cheap'. I've always talked about the divorce bill in £ POUNDS STERLING on here, Firstly because 1. I use £ POUNDS STERLING here in the uk and 2. Most of the newspapers here in the uk use £ POUNDS not Euros. As I've consistently used £ POUNDS STERLING on here in relation to the divorce bill and you continuously disagreed with my opinion that the UK would settle for a final bill of less than £50 billion POUNDS STERLING that shows you did engage in debate about the divorce bill in relation to £ POUNDS STERLING by replying to my posts on the threads you provided links to. So you DID in fact engage in debate about the divorce bill in relation to £ POUNDS STERLING by replying to my posts no matter how hard you try to weasel your way out of it. So...... I was right, and you were wrong. As usual. I mean it's not much of a surprise. Oh and just one last inconsequential thing. The Guardian leak you referred to said between £45 and £55 billion POUNDS STERLING so if its on the lower scale of that leak anything below £50 billion POUNDS STERLING means I'm right and you were always wrong. Oh Centy, dont be silly, you started the summer saying £12bn, then said £20bn take it or leave it, then £40bn was the final offer only last week. Youve changed your position on the final amount as much as May has. Ive consistently said for 7 months that it would be ~50bn. And from the start you said it would be nothing close to that. I think you forget that most people on here saw those posts as well and know full well about youre ever changing position. I mean for your version of things to be true where youre correct and Im wrong would mean that we were disagreeing over a mere 10% of the value of the settlement. For 7 months. This is almost as ridiculous as the time you claimed that losing the battle of the summer on day 1 was a victory for David Davis. Poor,poor Centaur. It must be hard to have the reality of the world bitchslap you across the face like this, particularly when its only going to get worse. There are more Tory capitulations coming. Don't be silly, you started the summer like many remainers by saying 100 billion which the EU seem to have come up with that figure on the back of a fag packet. Then it went down to around 80 billion and then you seem to have settled for somewhere just above £50 billion. You've changed your position on the final amount as much as Barnier has. I've consistently said for 7 months the UK would pay nothing in the event of no deal or in the event of a deal the bill would be less than £50 billion POUNDS STERLING. From the start you insisted it would be more than £50 billion. I think you've forgot that most people on here saw those posts as well and know full well about your ever changing position. Poor, Poor explicitlylyrics. It must be hard to have the reality of the UK to bitch slap you across the face like this and reject your precious EU project, particularly as we move closer to the exit door in March 2019 to free ourselves and say Bye, Bye to that steaming pile of bureaucratic shit in Brussels. Ha ha, except that not only do you know full well I only ever said 50bn you actually referenced that fact in this thread. I get it though, parodying my post is something a 4 year old would do and you have demonstrated that level of understanding throughout. But thats ok. Nobody expects honesty from you at this stage. I mean the schaedenfreude of seeing Mays resolve crumble and you seeing your dreams of David 'British Lion' Davis bringing the EU to heel is enough to sustain me through the hard winter months. This actually is funnier than the moment you realised the Sun had lied in their headline by declaring sequencing was secretly a victory for Davis. And that was hilarious!
But the fun doesnt stop. There are only days left to sort out citizen rights before the deadline. Luckily for both of us I wouldnt be surprised to see May get an extension on Northern Ireland (you know, like a student would because they cant organise themselves properly to do their work). May crumbling on all 3 issues in the space of a week would finish her in politics and destroy all credibility for the Tories and thats not really useful for the EU at this stage.
The downside is that that particular capitulation will happen sooner rather than later so its a whole seperate humiliation you and the Tories will have to endure.
The so called "battle of the summer" you keep banging on about was in part a victory for the UK. As the UK had expressed that Uk/EU citizens rights was a priority for the UK in Nov/Dec 2016 a full 3 months before article 50 was triggered and long before the EU said it was a priority for them. It's been explained to you multiple times on multiple threads and I'll keep explaining it to you as long as you keep bringing It up. The UK tried to do a deal on UK/EU citizens rights in Nov/Dec 2016 months before article 50 was triggered and months before the EU gave any indication it was a priority for them. Hell, you even admitted yourself a couple of days ago (after this was explained to you for the umpteenth time), you said "it was a priority for both the EU and the Uk" after months of saying how it was only a priority for the EU. You keep coming out with this laughable stuff though until our exit in March 2019, it is highly entertaining if nothing else. "Centaur, hate to burst your bubble AGAIN, but the so called battle of the summer was about the UK wanting to have trade talks in parallel to the other 3 issues and the EU wanting it in sequence. It was a complete capitulation by Davis, May and the Tories. | |||
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" The only thing you are right about in that entire post is that 'talk is cheap'. I've always talked about the divorce bill in £ POUNDS STERLING on here, Firstly because 1. I use £ POUNDS STERLING here in the uk and 2. Most of the newspapers here in the uk use £ POUNDS not Euros. As I've consistently used £ POUNDS STERLING on here in relation to the divorce bill and you continuously disagreed with my opinion that the UK would settle for a final bill of less than £50 billion POUNDS STERLING that shows you did engage in debate about the divorce bill in relation to £ POUNDS STERLING by replying to my posts on the threads you provided links to. So you DID in fact engage in debate about the divorce bill in relation to £ POUNDS STERLING by replying to my posts no matter how hard you try to weasel your way out of it. So...... I was right, and you were wrong. As usual. I mean it's not much of a surprise. Oh and just one last inconsequential thing. The Guardian leak you referred to said between £45 and £55 billion POUNDS STERLING so if its on the lower scale of that leak anything below £50 billion POUNDS STERLING means I'm right and you were always wrong. Oh Centy, dont be silly, you started the summer saying £12bn, then said £20bn take it or leave it, then £40bn was the final offer only last week. Youve changed your position on the final amount as much as May has. Ive consistently said for 7 months that it would be ~50bn. And from the start you said it would be nothing close to that. I think you forget that most people on here saw those posts as well and know full well about youre ever changing position. I mean for your version of things to be true where youre correct and Im wrong would mean that we were disagreeing over a mere 10% of the value of the settlement. For 7 months. This is almost as ridiculous as the time you claimed that losing the battle of the summer on day 1 was a victory for David Davis. Poor,poor Centaur. It must be hard to have the reality of the world bitchslap you across the face like this, particularly when its only going to get worse. There are more Tory capitulations coming. Don't be silly, you started the summer like many remainers by saying 100 billion which the EU seem to have come up with that figure on the back of a fag packet. Then it went down to around 80 billion and then you seem to have settled for somewhere just above £50 billion. You've changed your position on the final amount as much as Barnier has. I've consistently said for 7 months the UK would pay nothing in the event of no deal or in the event of a deal the bill would be less than £50 billion POUNDS STERLING. From the start you insisted it would be more than £50 billion. I think you've forgot that most people on here saw those posts as well and know full well about your ever changing position. Poor, Poor explicitlylyrics. It must be hard to have the reality of the UK to bitch slap you across the face like this and reject your precious EU project, particularly as we move closer to the exit door in March 2019 to free ourselves and say Bye, Bye to that steaming pile of bureaucratic shit in Brussels. Ha ha, except that not only do you know full well I only ever said 50bn you actually referenced that fact in this thread. I get it though, parodying my post is something a 4 year old would do and you have demonstrated that level of understanding throughout. But thats ok. Nobody expects honesty from you at this stage. I mean the schaedenfreude of seeing Mays resolve crumble and you seeing your dreams of David 'British Lion' Davis bringing the EU to heel is enough to sustain me through the hard winter months. This actually is funnier than the moment you realised the Sun had lied in their headline by declaring sequencing was secretly a victory for Davis. And that was hilarious!
But the fun doesnt stop. There are only days left to sort out citizen rights before the deadline. Luckily for both of us I wouldnt be surprised to see May get an extension on Northern Ireland (you know, like a student would because they cant organise themselves properly to do their work). May crumbling on all 3 issues in the space of a week would finish her in politics and destroy all credibility for the Tories and thats not really useful for the EU at this stage.
The downside is that that particular capitulation will happen sooner rather than later so its a whole seperate humiliation you and the Tories will have to endure.
The so called "battle of the summer" you keep banging on about was in part a victory for the UK. As the UK had expressed that Uk/EU citizens rights was a priority for the UK in Nov/Dec 2016 a full 3 months before article 50 was triggered and long before the EU said it was a priority for them. It's been explained to you multiple times on multiple threads and I'll keep explaining it to you as long as you keep bringing It up. The UK tried to do a deal on UK/EU citizens rights in Nov/Dec 2016 months before article 50 was triggered and months before the EU gave any indication it was a priority for them. Hell, you even admitted yourself a couple of days ago (after this was explained to you for the umpteenth time), you said "it was a priority for both the EU and the Uk" after months of saying how it was only a priority for the EU. You keep coming out with this laughable stuff though until our exit in March 2019, it is highly entertaining if nothing else.
Centaur, hate to burst your bubble AGAIN, but the so called battle of the summer was about the UK wanting to have trade talks in parallel to the other 3 issues and the EU wanting it in sequence. It was a complete capitulation by Davis, May and the Tories."Yup i remember that in the summer and the Tories getting telt from the EU no trade talks until the EU citizens , exit bill and the Irish border issues have been solved The EU made it very clear no trade talks until those 3 issues were solved and instead the UK government have wasted time and time they do not have on their side Some would love to believe the UK is in charge which is laughable when we all know the EU is in charge and the UK government is the bitch lol Good to see the Tories for once being the bitch and get telt your not having it your own way | |||
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" The only thing you are right about in that entire post is that 'talk is cheap'. I've always talked about the divorce bill in £ POUNDS STERLING on here, Firstly because 1. I use £ POUNDS STERLING here in the uk and 2. Most of the newspapers here in the uk use £ POUNDS not Euros. As I've consistently used £ POUNDS STERLING on here in relation to the divorce bill and you continuously disagreed with my opinion that the UK would settle for a final bill of less than £50 billion POUNDS STERLING that shows you did engage in debate about the divorce bill in relation to £ POUNDS STERLING by replying to my posts on the threads you provided links to. So you DID in fact engage in debate about the divorce bill in relation to £ POUNDS STERLING by replying to my posts no matter how hard you try to weasel your way out of it. So...... I was right, and you were wrong. As usual. I mean it's not much of a surprise. Oh and just one last inconsequential thing. The Guardian leak you referred to said between £45 and £55 billion POUNDS STERLING so if its on the lower scale of that leak anything below £50 billion POUNDS STERLING means I'm right and you were always wrong. Oh Centy, dont be silly, you started the summer saying £12bn, then said £20bn take it or leave it, then £40bn was the final offer only last week. Youve changed your position on the final amount as much as May has. Ive consistently said for 7 months that it would be ~50bn. And from the start you said it would be nothing close to that. I think you forget that most people on here saw those posts as well and know full well about youre ever changing position. I mean for your version of things to be true where youre correct and Im wrong would mean that we were disagreeing over a mere 10% of the value of the settlement. For 7 months. This is almost as ridiculous as the time you claimed that losing the battle of the summer on day 1 was a victory for David Davis. Poor,poor Centaur. It must be hard to have the reality of the world bitchslap you across the face like this, particularly when its only going to get worse. There are more Tory capitulations coming. Don't be silly, you started the summer like many remainers by saying 100 billion which the EU seem to have come up with that figure on the back of a fag packet. Then it went down to around 80 billion and then you seem to have settled for somewhere just above £50 billion. You've changed your position on the final amount as much as Barnier has. I've consistently said for 7 months the UK would pay nothing in the event of no deal or in the event of a deal the bill would be less than £50 billion POUNDS STERLING. From the start you insisted it would be more than £50 billion. I think you've forgot that most people on here saw those posts as well and know full well about your ever changing position. Poor, Poor explicitlylyrics. It must be hard to have the reality of the UK to bitch slap you across the face like this and reject your precious EU project, particularly as we move closer to the exit door in March 2019 to free ourselves and say Bye, Bye to that steaming pile of bureaucratic shit in Brussels. Ha ha, except that not only do you know full well I only ever said 50bn you actually referenced that fact in this thread. I get it though, parodying my post is something a 4 year old would do and you have demonstrated that level of understanding throughout. But thats ok. Nobody expects honesty from you at this stage. I mean the schaedenfreude of seeing Mays resolve crumble and you seeing your dreams of David 'British Lion' Davis bringing the EU to heel is enough to sustain me through the hard winter months. This actually is funnier than the moment you realised the Sun had lied in their headline by declaring sequencing was secretly a victory for Davis. And that was hilarious!
But the fun doesnt stop. There are only days left to sort out citizen rights before the deadline. Luckily for both of us I wouldnt be surprised to see May get an extension on Northern Ireland (you know, like a student would because they cant organise themselves properly to do their work). May crumbling on all 3 issues in the space of a week would finish her in politics and destroy all credibility for the Tories and thats not really useful for the EU at this stage.
The downside is that that particular capitulation will happen sooner rather than later so its a whole seperate humiliation you and the Tories will have to endure.
The so called "battle of the summer" you keep banging on about was in part a victory for the UK. As the UK had expressed that Uk/EU citizens rights was a priority for the UK in Nov/Dec 2016 a full 3 months before article 50 was triggered and long before the EU said it was a priority for them. It's been explained to you multiple times on multiple threads and I'll keep explaining it to you as long as you keep bringing It up. The UK tried to do a deal on UK/EU citizens rights in Nov/Dec 2016 months before article 50 was triggered and months before the EU gave any indication it was a priority for them. Hell, you even admitted yourself a couple of days ago (after this was explained to you for the umpteenth time), you said "it was a priority for both the EU and the Uk" after months of saying how it was only a priority for the EU. You keep coming out with this laughable stuff though until our exit in March 2019, it is highly entertaining if nothing else.
Centaur, hate to burst your bubble AGAIN, but the so called battle of the summer was about the UK wanting to have trade talks in parallel to the other 3 issues and the EU wanting it in sequence. It was a complete capitulation by Davis, May and the Tories."If UK/EU citizens rights was such an urgent priority for the EU as you would have us believe then the EU would've done a deal on it in Nov/Dec 2016 when the UK first brought it up. They had the opportunity to get a deal done on it but rejected it. The EU showed by refusing a deal on citizens rights in Nov/Dec 2016 that citizens rights was never a real priority for them. | |||
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" The only thing you are right about in that entire post is that 'talk is cheap'. I've always talked about the divorce bill in £ POUNDS STERLING on here, Firstly because 1. I use £ POUNDS STERLING here in the uk and 2. Most of the newspapers here in the uk use £ POUNDS not Euros. As I've consistently used £ POUNDS STERLING on here in relation to the divorce bill and you continuously disagreed with my opinion that the UK would settle for a final bill of less than £50 billion POUNDS STERLING that shows you did engage in debate about the divorce bill in relation to £ POUNDS STERLING by replying to my posts on the threads you provided links to. So you DID in fact engage in debate about the divorce bill in relation to £ POUNDS STERLING by replying to my posts no matter how hard you try to weasel your way out of it. So...... I was right, and you were wrong. As usual. I mean it's not much of a surprise. Oh and just one last inconsequential thing. The Guardian leak you referred to said between £45 and £55 billion POUNDS STERLING so if its on the lower scale of that leak anything below £50 billion POUNDS STERLING means I'm right and you were always wrong. Oh Centy, dont be silly, you started the summer saying £12bn, then said £20bn take it or leave it, then £40bn was the final offer only last week. Youve changed your position on the final amount as much as May has. Ive consistently said for 7 months that it would be ~50bn. And from the start you said it would be nothing close to that. I think you forget that most people on here saw those posts as well and know full well about youre ever changing position. I mean for your version of things to be true where youre correct and Im wrong would mean that we were disagreeing over a mere 10% of the value of the settlement. For 7 months. This is almost as ridiculous as the time you claimed that losing the battle of the summer on day 1 was a victory for David Davis. Poor,poor Centaur. It must be hard to have the reality of the world bitchslap you across the face like this, particularly when its only going to get worse. There are more Tory capitulations coming. Don't be silly, you started the summer like many remainers by saying 100 billion which the EU seem to have come up with that figure on the back of a fag packet. Then it went down to around 80 billion and then you seem to have settled for somewhere just above £50 billion. You've changed your position on the final amount as much as Barnier has. I've consistently said for 7 months the UK would pay nothing in the event of no deal or in the event of a deal the bill would be less than £50 billion POUNDS STERLING. From the start you insisted it would be more than £50 billion. I think you've forgot that most people on here saw those posts as well and know full well about your ever changing position. Poor, Poor explicitlylyrics. It must be hard to have the reality of the UK to bitch slap you across the face like this and reject your precious EU project, particularly as we move closer to the exit door in March 2019 to free ourselves and say Bye, Bye to that steaming pile of bureaucratic shit in Brussels. Ha ha, except that not only do you know full well I only ever said 50bn you actually referenced that fact in this thread. I get it though, parodying my post is something a 4 year old would do and you have demonstrated that level of understanding throughout. But thats ok. Nobody expects honesty from you at this stage. I mean the schaedenfreude of seeing Mays resolve crumble and you seeing your dreams of David 'British Lion' Davis bringing the EU to heel is enough to sustain me through the hard winter months. This actually is funnier than the moment you realised the Sun had lied in their headline by declaring sequencing was secretly a victory for Davis. And that was hilarious!
But the fun doesnt stop. There are only days left to sort out citizen rights before the deadline. Luckily for both of us I wouldnt be surprised to see May get an extension on Northern Ireland (you know, like a student would because they cant organise themselves properly to do their work). May crumbling on all 3 issues in the space of a week would finish her in politics and destroy all credibility for the Tories and thats not really useful for the EU at this stage.
The downside is that that particular capitulation will happen sooner rather than later so its a whole seperate humiliation you and the Tories will have to endure.
The so called "battle of the summer" you keep banging on about was in part a victory for the UK. As the UK had expressed that Uk/EU citizens rights was a priority for the UK in Nov/Dec 2016 a full 3 months before article 50 was triggered and long before the EU said it was a priority for them. It's been explained to you multiple times on multiple threads and I'll keep explaining it to you as long as you keep bringing It up. The UK tried to do a deal on UK/EU citizens rights in Nov/Dec 2016 months before article 50 was triggered and months before the EU gave any indication it was a priority for them. Hell, you even admitted yourself a couple of days ago (after this was explained to you for the umpteenth time), you said "it was a priority for both the EU and the Uk" after months of saying how it was only a priority for the EU. You keep coming out with this laughable stuff though until our exit in March 2019, it is highly entertaining if nothing else.
Centaur, hate to burst your bubble AGAIN, but the so called battle of the summer was about the UK wanting to have trade talks in parallel to the other 3 issues and the EU wanting it in sequence. It was a complete capitulation by Davis, May and the Tories.
If UK/EU citizens rights was such an urgent priority for the EU as you would have us believe then the EU would've done a deal on it in Nov/Dec 2016 when the UK first brought it up. They had the opportunity to get a deal done on it but rejected it. The EU showed by refusing a deal on citizens rights in Nov/Dec 2016 that citizens rights was never a real priority for them. "You really dont get it do you  | |||
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" The only thing you are right about in that entire post is that 'talk is cheap'. I've always talked about the divorce bill in £ POUNDS STERLING on here, Firstly because 1. I use £ POUNDS STERLING here in the uk and 2. Most of the newspapers here in the uk use £ POUNDS not Euros. As I've consistently used £ POUNDS STERLING on here in relation to the divorce bill and you continuously disagreed with my opinion that the UK would settle for a final bill of less than £50 billion POUNDS STERLING that shows you did engage in debate about the divorce bill in relation to £ POUNDS STERLING by replying to my posts on the threads you provided links to. So you DID in fact engage in debate about the divorce bill in relation to £ POUNDS STERLING by replying to my posts no matter how hard you try to weasel your way out of it. So...... I was right, and you were wrong. As usual. I mean it's not much of a surprise. Oh and just one last inconsequential thing. The Guardian leak you referred to said between £45 and £55 billion POUNDS STERLING so if its on the lower scale of that leak anything below £50 billion POUNDS STERLING means I'm right and you were always wrong. Oh Centy, dont be silly, you started the summer saying £12bn, then said £20bn take it or leave it, then £40bn was the final offer only last week. Youve changed your position on the final amount as much as May has. Ive consistently said for 7 months that it would be ~50bn. And from the start you said it would be nothing close to that. I think you forget that most people on here saw those posts as well and know full well about youre ever changing position. I mean for your version of things to be true where youre correct and Im wrong would mean that we were disagreeing over a mere 10% of the value of the settlement. For 7 months. This is almost as ridiculous as the time you claimed that losing the battle of the summer on day 1 was a victory for David Davis. Poor,poor Centaur. It must be hard to have the reality of the world bitchslap you across the face like this, particularly when its only going to get worse. There are more Tory capitulations coming. Don't be silly, you started the summer like many remainers by saying 100 billion which the EU seem to have come up with that figure on the back of a fag packet. Then it went down to around 80 billion and then you seem to have settled for somewhere just above £50 billion. You've changed your position on the final amount as much as Barnier has. I've consistently said for 7 months the UK would pay nothing in the event of no deal or in the event of a deal the bill would be less than £50 billion POUNDS STERLING. From the start you insisted it would be more than £50 billion. I think you've forgot that most people on here saw those posts as well and know full well about your ever changing position. Poor, Poor explicitlylyrics. It must be hard to have the reality of the UK to bitch slap you across the face like this and reject your precious EU project, particularly as we move closer to the exit door in March 2019 to free ourselves and say Bye, Bye to that steaming pile of bureaucratic shit in Brussels. Ha ha, except that not only do you know full well I only ever said 50bn you actually referenced that fact in this thread. I get it though, parodying my post is something a 4 year old would do and you have demonstrated that level of understanding throughout. But thats ok. Nobody expects honesty from you at this stage. I mean the schaedenfreude of seeing Mays resolve crumble and you seeing your dreams of David 'British Lion' Davis bringing the EU to heel is enough to sustain me through the hard winter months. This actually is funnier than the moment you realised the Sun had lied in their headline by declaring sequencing was secretly a victory for Davis. And that was hilarious!
But the fun doesnt stop. There are only days left to sort out citizen rights before the deadline. Luckily for both of us I wouldnt be surprised to see May get an extension on Northern Ireland (you know, like a student would because they cant organise themselves properly to do their work). May crumbling on all 3 issues in the space of a week would finish her in politics and destroy all credibility for the Tories and thats not really useful for the EU at this stage.
The downside is that that particular capitulation will happen sooner rather than later so its a whole seperate humiliation you and the Tories will have to endure.
The so called "battle of the summer" you keep banging on about was in part a victory for the UK. As the UK had expressed that Uk/EU citizens rights was a priority for the UK in Nov/Dec 2016 a full 3 months before article 50 was triggered and long before the EU said it was a priority for them. It's been explained to you multiple times on multiple threads and I'll keep explaining it to you as long as you keep bringing It up. The UK tried to do a deal on UK/EU citizens rights in Nov/Dec 2016 months before article 50 was triggered and months before the EU gave any indication it was a priority for them. Hell, you even admitted yourself a couple of days ago (after this was explained to you for the umpteenth time), you said "it was a priority for both the EU and the Uk" after months of saying how it was only a priority for the EU. You keep coming out with this laughable stuff though until our exit in March 2019, it is highly entertaining if nothing else.
Centaur, hate to burst your bubble AGAIN, but the so called battle of the summer was about the UK wanting to have trade talks in parallel to the other 3 issues and the EU wanting it in sequence. It was a complete capitulation by Davis, May and the Tories.
If UK/EU citizens rights was such an urgent priority for the EU as you would have us believe then the EU would've done a deal on it in Nov/Dec 2016 when the UK first brought it up. They had the opportunity to get a deal done on it but rejected it. The EU showed by refusing a deal on citizens rights in Nov/Dec 2016 that citizens rights was never a real priority for them.
You really dont get it do you "He gets it, hes just spinning as fast as he can to try and put a happy face on this. 50bn+ settlement - ignore the capitulation Being wrong about the settlement - pretend someone else was wrong Lose on sequencing - deflect to citizen rights Face irrefutable evidence - parody posts like a 4 year old But we'll let him avoid the issue that Davis got slapped around by the EU on the sequencing, that May caved on the divorce bill and move to citizen rights. There was no deal to be made last year because May didnt have a decent offer. Its like offering a euro for a new BMW and complaining that the salesman isnt trying to sell it by taking your offer. Its been months since negotiations started and May still has made a reasonable offer. Now she's down to a matter of days to get it done. If this is such a priority why isnt it done yet??? We all know shes going to cave in. Any reasonable person knew it before the battle of the summer so why not do it if its such a priority for the Tories? | |||
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" The only thing you are right about in that entire post is that 'talk is cheap'. I've always talked about the divorce bill in £ POUNDS STERLING on here, Firstly because 1. I use £ POUNDS STERLING here in the uk and 2. Most of the newspapers here in the uk use £ POUNDS not Euros. As I've consistently used £ POUNDS STERLING on here in relation to the divorce bill and you continuously disagreed with my opinion that the UK would settle for a final bill of less than £50 billion POUNDS STERLING that shows you did engage in debate about the divorce bill in relation to £ POUNDS STERLING by replying to my posts on the threads you provided links to. So you DID in fact engage in debate about the divorce bill in relation to £ POUNDS STERLING by replying to my posts no matter how hard you try to weasel your way out of it. So...... I was right, and you were wrong. As usual. I mean it's not much of a surprise. Oh and just one last inconsequential thing. The Guardian leak you referred to said between £45 and £55 billion POUNDS STERLING so if its on the lower scale of that leak anything below £50 billion POUNDS STERLING means I'm right and you were always wrong. Oh Centy, dont be silly, you started the summer saying £12bn, then said £20bn take it or leave it, then £40bn was the final offer only last week. Youve changed your position on the final amount as much as May has. Ive consistently said for 7 months that it would be ~50bn. And from the start you said it would be nothing close to that. I think you forget that most people on here saw those posts as well and know full well about youre ever changing position. I mean for your version of things to be true where youre correct and Im wrong would mean that we were disagreeing over a mere 10% of the value of the settlement. For 7 months. This is almost as ridiculous as the time you claimed that losing the battle of the summer on day 1 was a victory for David Davis. Poor,poor Centaur. It must be hard to have the reality of the world bitchslap you across the face like this, particularly when its only going to get worse. There are more Tory capitulations coming. Don't be silly, you started the summer like many remainers by saying 100 billion which the EU seem to have come up with that figure on the back of a fag packet. Then it went down to around 80 billion and then you seem to have settled for somewhere just above £50 billion. You've changed your position on the final amount as much as Barnier has. I've consistently said for 7 months the UK would pay nothing in the event of no deal or in the event of a deal the bill would be less than £50 billion POUNDS STERLING. From the start you insisted it would be more than £50 billion. I think you've forgot that most people on here saw those posts as well and know full well about your ever changing position. Poor, Poor explicitlylyrics. It must be hard to have the reality of the UK to bitch slap you across the face like this and reject your precious EU project, particularly as we move closer to the exit door in March 2019 to free ourselves and say Bye, Bye to that steaming pile of bureaucratic shit in Brussels. Ha ha, except that not only do you know full well I only ever said 50bn you actually referenced that fact in this thread. I get it though, parodying my post is something a 4 year old would do and you have demonstrated that level of understanding throughout. But thats ok. Nobody expects honesty from you at this stage. I mean the schaedenfreude of seeing Mays resolve crumble and you seeing your dreams of David 'British Lion' Davis bringing the EU to heel is enough to sustain me through the hard winter months. This actually is funnier than the moment you realised the Sun had lied in their headline by declaring sequencing was secretly a victory for Davis. And that was hilarious!
But the fun doesnt stop. There are only days left to sort out citizen rights before the deadline. Luckily for both of us I wouldnt be surprised to see May get an extension on Northern Ireland (you know, like a student would because they cant organise themselves properly to do their work). May crumbling on all 3 issues in the space of a week would finish her in politics and destroy all credibility for the Tories and thats not really useful for the EU at this stage.
The downside is that that particular capitulation will happen sooner rather than later so its a whole seperate humiliation you and the Tories will have to endure.
The so called "battle of the summer" you keep banging on about was in part a victory for the UK. As the UK had expressed that Uk/EU citizens rights was a priority for the UK in Nov/Dec 2016 a full 3 months before article 50 was triggered and long before the EU said it was a priority for them. It's been explained to you multiple times on multiple threads and I'll keep explaining it to you as long as you keep bringing It up. The UK tried to do a deal on UK/EU citizens rights in Nov/Dec 2016 months before article 50 was triggered and months before the EU gave any indication it was a priority for them. Hell, you even admitted yourself a couple of days ago (after this was explained to you for the umpteenth time), you said "it was a priority for both the EU and the Uk" after months of saying how it was only a priority for the EU. You keep coming out with this laughable stuff though until our exit in March 2019, it is highly entertaining if nothing else.
Centaur, hate to burst your bubble AGAIN, but the so called battle of the summer was about the UK wanting to have trade talks in parallel to the other 3 issues and the EU wanting it in sequence. It was a complete capitulation by Davis, May and the Tories.
If UK/EU citizens rights was such an urgent priority for the EU as you would have us believe then the EU would've done a deal on it in Nov/Dec 2016 when the UK first brought it up. They had the opportunity to get a deal done on it but rejected it. The EU showed by refusing a deal on citizens rights in Nov/Dec 2016 that citizens rights was never a real priority for them. "Have you considered that there are two key issues about citizens' rights that youre avoiding. 1. The deal offered by the UK was unacceptable and 2. How could a deal be done before A50 was triggered? I suspect that what was offered will be very different to what will be agreed. These morons couldnt negotiate their way out of a wet paperbag | |||
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" Interesting so this is what Ruth Davidson said in 2011 do you agree with her or not ?You don’t get a referendum for free, you have to earn it. So if the Greens and the SNP – and the SSP or any of the other parties who’ve declared an interest in independence – get over the line and can make a coalition, make a majority, get the votes in the Parliament, then they’ll vote through a referendum, and that’s what democracy’s all about… it’s perfectly simple”" So your point of the snp having a mandate is false if it relies on another party. What Ruth Davidson says does detract from the fact you have lied. Nice deflection. | |||
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" Interesting so this is what Ruth Davidson said in 2011 do you agree with her or not ?You don’t get a referendum for free, you have to earn it. So if the Greens and the SNP – and the SSP or any of the other parties who’ve declared an interest in independence – get over the line and can make a coalition, make a majority, get the votes in the Parliament, then they’ll vote through a referendum, and that’s what democracy’s all about… it’s perfectly simple” So your point of the snp having a mandate is false if it relies on another party. What Ruth Davidson says does detract from the fact you have lied. Nice deflection. "Ah so you agree with Ruth Davidson eh? Good good Right in 2016 SNP were elected into government correct on their manifesto the SNP 2017 manifesto was also voted by the Scottish votes sending a majority of Scottish mp's giving them a mandate to have a referendum when the brexit deal is known? Now Yes its a minority government in Scotland but the will of Scottish people voted for the SNP manifesto you may not like it but hey dry those eyes hehe Now in Holyrood there was a vote on a section 30 order and it passed 69 -59 that was a democratic vote Now if you take what Ruth Davidson said you have to earn an independence referendum by get over the line and make a coalition and get the votes through Holyrood that democracy Can you tell me who do you think hold a mandate in Scotland if you dont think its the SNP eh ? | |||
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" 1; Because it's shit? 2; exactly what are you talking about, define what you consider "shit" 3; I'm asking you why they don't move there. so now you are changing an answer (1) to a question (3) I am asking you "What" YOU consider shit, as in your answer (1) if you say something at least have the guts to back yourself up, so again what do you consider "shit", is it a country you consider that is shit and if so what country? Why do people bottle out of moving to Scotland? " Because it's even Fuckin colder there then here | |||
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""Now Yes its a minority government in Scotland but the will of Scottish people voted for the SNP manifesto you may not like it but hey dry those eyes hehe" The will of the Scottish people you say, including the greens in the 2016 Scottish Parliament election the percentage of the votes cast was 46.1%, and for pro Union parties its was 49.8%. So no majority of the Scottish vote there. Lets look at the percentages at the UK General Election of 2017, the snp polled 36.9% of the vote and pro union parties polled 62.5%. When you factor in the snp position of wanting a referendum, its rejection at the polls I have to conclude that you haven't a clue about the will of the Scottish people. I may dry my eyes, but the tears are of laughter, laughter at your stupidity and ignorance of what is actually happening in Scotland! Even sturgeon knows it, constantly backtracking from her own manifesto, and no point did it say anything about after Brexit negotiations are known, did it? What difference does that make, she said "if Scotland was dragged out against its will" not wait and see how the negotiations work out did she? She knows she'd lose, only a fool or disciples of the cult can't see it. Which one of the two are you? hehe "The only cults on scotland are the masons and orangemen who shame our country with there bigoted walks and their veiws about catholics belong in the dark ages the sooner we are rid of them the better | |||
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""Now Yes its a minority government in Scotland but the will of Scottish people voted for the SNP manifesto you may not like it but hey dry those eyes hehe" The will of the Scottish people you say, including the greens in the 2016 Scottish Parliament election the percentage of the votes cast was 46.1%, and for pro Union parties its was 49.8%. So no majority of the Scottish vote there. Lets look at the percentages at the UK General Election of 2017, the snp polled 36.9% of the vote and pro union parties polled 62.5%. When you factor in the snp position of wanting a referendum, its rejection at the polls I have to conclude that you haven't a clue about the will of the Scottish people. I may dry my eyes, but the tears are of laughter, laughter at your stupidity and ignorance of what is actually happening in Scotland! Even sturgeon knows it, constantly backtracking from her own manifesto, and no point did it say anything about after Brexit negotiations are known, did it? What difference does that make, she said "if Scotland was dragged out against its will" not wait and see how the negotiations work out did she? She knows she'd lose, only a fool or disciples of the cult can't see it. Which one of the two are you? hehe "
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"That depends on the issue, some are reserved some are devolved. If you are meaning another referendum, it does not have the mandate to do something which it does not have the legal competency to do so. It can request one, but is unable to hold one without the permission of the UK government. Are you going to address any of my points now? " No, kinky has no intention of addressing anyone's points but their own, and just wants every post to be "London Bad, Scotland Good". The sad thing is that someone so obviously passionate about Scottish independence and politics knows so little about it, and is so unwilling to learn. | |||
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"Bs Millie was it not the unionists that on the 19th Sept 2014 that came charging into George Sq trying to spit and girls holding the St Andrews flag up and having it ripped out their hands and then holding up their right hands which we all know what that means So dont try and claim the unionist side is all angels lol" No they were thugs....plain and simple. Law breakers are law breakers and I think you will find they were part of a right wing racist organization | |||
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"Bs Millie was it not the unionists that on the 19th Sept 2014 that came charging into George Sq trying to spit and girls holding the St Andrews flag up and having it ripped out their hands and then holding up their right hands which we all know what that means So dont try and claim the unionist side is all angels lol No they were thugs....plain and simple. Law breakers are law breakers and I think you will find they were part of a right wing racist organization "Or perhaps Rangers supporting loyalists | |||
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"Further more in 2014 the Better Together camp Met Union officials at Rosyth to discuss why Scotland is better together with the UK 250 jobs are lost at Rosyth Yet again the unionists selling people out to keep the union together no one feel abit shamed that those people have lost their jobs that only 3 years ago thought their jobs would be safe in the UK ? " Just to set the record straight these are contractor jobs and not permanent positions that were due to go as the vessel progresses. This happens in all forms of construction. You don't continue paying roofers once the roof is on !!! | |||
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"CLCC i hate posting links to papers but since so many people on here seem to take their word for it here is the link http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15688340.UK_watchdog_backs_down_in_tax_row_with_SNP/ The Tories lied to Scottish people about taxation. There isn't even an apology sick bastards the Tories are please dont try and defend them Taxation is a devolved issue. That article doesn't say anything to the contrary. CLCC did the Tories lie to the Scottis people over taxation yes or no ? Are you really going to defend them ? " I If taxation is not devoled then why do I have an S on my tax code ( just for the op... it means Scottish tax ) and as a higher rate tax payer why am I much worse off than my collegues in the ruk. Could it be the snp out up tax in Scotland? ?? And is due to increase it further !!! | |||
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"Further more in 2014 the Better Together camp Met Union officials at Rosyth to discuss why Scotland is better together with the UK 250 jobs are lost at Rosyth Yet again the unionists selling people out to keep the union together no one feel abit shamed that those people have lost their jobs that only 3 years ago thought their jobs would be safe in the UK ? Just to set the record straight these are contractor jobs and not permanent positions that were due to go as the vessel progresses. This happens in all forms of construction. You don't continue paying roofers once the roof is on !!!" Happens all the time in North Sea too, Contractors just go where the money is good, whether it be oil rigs, onshore refineries, building yards, not just here in UK either, many platforms are being built abroad and plenty working over seas. Many contractors love the job and lifestyle with little responsibility, I went the opposite way working for oil companies that provide final salary pension. we all have our own choice on where we work and Contractors enjoy the flexibility | |||
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"Further more in 2014 the Better Together camp Met Union officials at Rosyth to discuss why Scotland is better together with the UK 250 jobs are lost at Rosyth Yet again the unionists selling people out to keep the union together no one feel abit shamed that those people have lost their jobs that only 3 years ago thought their jobs would be safe in the UK ? Just to set the record straight these are contractor jobs and not permanent positions that were due to go as the vessel progresses. This happens in all forms of construction. You don't continue paying roofers once the roof is on !!!" Now now... dont you be giving the facts out to these people....they cant function if you tell the truth | |||
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"CLCC i hate posting links to papers but since so many people on here seem to take their word for it here is the link http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15688340.UK_watchdog_backs_down_in_tax_row_with_SNP/ The Tories lied to Scottish people about taxation. There isn't even an apology sick bastards the Tories are please dont try and defend them Taxation is a devolved issue. That article doesn't say anything to the contrary. CLCC did the Tories lie to the Scottis people over taxation yes or no ? Are you really going to defend them ? I If taxation is not devoled then why do I have an S on my tax code ( just for the op... it means Scottish tax ) and as a higher rate tax payer why am I much worse off than my collegues in the ruk. Could it be the snp out up tax in Scotland? ?? And is due to increase it further !!!" As a higher tax payer you should pay into AVC's and you will find you pay very little tax | |||
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" Interesting so this is what Ruth Davidson said in 2011 do you agree with her or not ?You don’t get a referendum for free, you have to earn it. So if the Greens and the SNP – and the SSP or any of the other parties who’ve declared an interest in independence – get over the line and can make a coalition, make a majority, get the votes in the Parliament, then they’ll vote through a referendum, and that’s what democracy’s all about… it’s perfectly simple” So your point of the snp having a mandate is false if it relies on another party. What Ruth Davidson says does detract from the fact you have lied. Nice deflection.
Ah so you agree with Ruth Davidson eh?
Good good
Right in 2016 SNP were elected into government correct on their manifesto
the SNP 2017 manifesto was also voted by the Scottish votes sending a majority of Scottish mp's giving them a mandate to have a referendum when the brexit deal is known? Now Yes its a minority government in Scotland but the will of Scottish people voted for the SNP manifesto you may not like it but hey dry those eyes hehe
Now in Holyrood there was a vote on a section 30 order and it passed 69 -59 that was a democratic vote
Now if you take what Ruth Davidson said you have to earn an independence referendum by get over the line and make a coalition and get the votes through Holyrood that democracy
Can you tell me who do you think hold a mandate in Scotland if you dont think its the SNP eh ? "The green party manifesto is published on line to save bog paper. It stated that it would NOT consider Indy 2 unless there was a million signature. In the run up to the vote it conveniently disappeared! !! My nephew believes in Indy but has left the green party which he was a member of from the age 16. He is fed up with the greens being snp stooges. He will still vote for Indy. | |||
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"Further more in 2014 the Better Together camp Met Union officials at Rosyth to discuss why Scotland is better together with the UK 250 jobs are lost at Rosyth Yet again the unionists selling people out to keep the union together no one feel abit shamed that those people have lost their jobs that only 3 years ago thought their jobs would be safe in the UK ? Just to set the record straight these are contractor jobs and not permanent positions that were due to go as the vessel progresses. This happens in all forms of construction. You don't continue paying roofers once the roof is on !!! Happens all the time in North Sea too, Contractors just go where the money is good, whether it be oil rigs, onshore refineries, building yards, not just here in UK either, many platforms are being built abroad and plenty working over seas. Many contractors love the job and lifestyle with little responsibility, I went the opposite way working for oil companies that provide final salary pension. we all have our own choice on where we work and Contractors enjoy the flexibility " 
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"CLCC i hate posting links to papers but since so many people on here seem to take their word for it here is the link http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15688340.UK_watchdog_backs_down_in_tax_row_with_SNP/ The Tories lied to Scottish people about taxation. There isn't even an apology sick bastards the Tories are please dont try and defend them Taxation is a devolved issue. That article doesn't say anything to the contrary. CLCC did the Tories lie to the Scottis people over taxation yes or no ? Are you really going to defend them ? I If taxation is not devoled then why do I have an S on my tax code ( just for the op... it means Scottish tax ) and as a higher rate tax payer why am I much worse off than my collegues in the ruk. Could it be the snp out up tax in Scotland? ?? And is due to increase it further !!! As a higher tax payer you should pay into AVC's and you will find you pay very little tax" I don't want op accusing my of tax avoidance! !! where will the money come from for more stupid gaellic roads signs !!! But I might look into it Thanks | |||
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"I think it's going to lead to pretty bitter animosity and will lead to a scar on the psyche of the nation. I have a pretty low opinion of most Brexiteers, and it will remain thus. Luckily, I know only a couple of people who are friends who voted to leave, that although sad to see, wasn't surprising (They were either big Conservatives, on the left hand side of the bell curve, or nominally racists). I'll be happy in the knowledge that Stockport voted to Remain. But for me, I can apply for an Irish passport, or indeed, we've talked that as a family we'll move to Scotland should things start to break up. I'm an in it together kind of person and I've lived abroad, so perhaps my POV is rather more enlightened... I hope that MPs do their job and stop the madness (as is their duty to protect the country), as indeed, the UK is done for otherwise in all different kind of ways. I still remember that sickening feeling in my stomach that Friday morning. Hey ho. Flames omfg you mean like all them American A listers who said if trump got in they were off to Canada lol good look in Scotland mate " I agree with the above, shut the door on the way out. We don't need you. | |||
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"CLCC i hate posting links to papers but since so many people on here seem to take their word for it here is the link http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15688340.UK_watchdog_backs_down_in_tax_row_with_SNP/ The Tories lied to Scottish people about taxation. There isn't even an apology sick bastards the Tories are please dont try and defend them Taxation is a devolved issue. That article doesn't say anything to the contrary. CLCC did the Tories lie to the Scottis people over taxation yes or no ? Are you really going to defend them ? I If taxation is not devoled then why do I have an S on my tax code ( just for the op... it means Scottish tax ) and as a higher rate tax payer why am I much worse off than my collegues in the ruk. Could it be the snp out up tax in Scotland? ?? And is due to increase it further !!! As a higher tax payer you should pay into AVC's and you will find you pay very little tax I don't want op accusing my of tax avoidance! !! where will the money come from for more stupid gaellic roads signs !!! But I might look into it Thanks " There is a difference between legal tax avoidance and tax evasion . fact is; The government encourages you to pay into your pension. For every £600 net you pay into AVC's, the government gives you £400 tax back making your total investment £1000. . If you pay £1200 a month into AVC's it means £2000 going into your nest egg pension keep doing that and you will be able to do the same as myself - "retire early in life" . much better than squandering cash | |||
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"CLCC i hate posting links to papers but since so many people on here seem to take their word for it here is the link http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15688340.UK_watchdog_backs_down_in_tax_row_with_SNP/ The Tories lied to Scottish people about taxation. There isn't even an apology sick bastards the Tories are please dont try and defend them Taxation is a devolved issue. That article doesn't say anything to the contrary. CLCC did the Tories lie to the Scottis people over taxation yes or no ? Are you really going to defend them ? I If taxation is not devoled then why do I have an S on my tax code ( just for the op... it means Scottish tax ) and as a higher rate tax payer why am I much worse off than my collegues in the ruk. Could it be the snp out up tax in Scotland? ?? And is due to increase it further !!! As a higher tax payer you should pay into AVC's and you will find you pay very little tax I don't want op accusing my of tax avoidance! !! where will the money come from for more stupid gaellic roads signs !!! But I might look into it Thanks There is a difference between legal tax avoidance and tax evasion . fact is; The government encourages you to pay into your pension. For every £600 net you pay into AVC's, the government gives you £400 tax back making your total investment £1000. . If you pay £1200 a month into AVC's it means £2000 going into your nest egg pension keep doing that and you will be able to do the same as myself - "retire early in life" . much better than squandering cash" | |||
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"Replying to the op question will it break up the UK ? NO My reasons for believing this is a third of the Scottish voters did not voice an opinion one way or another. As I stated before I voted to stay but respect the result. Those that did not vote clearly did not think it was such an important issue. Brexit does not = deisere of Indy 2." Thats your opinion fair enough You say some did not voice opinion right but when the final brexit deal is known there is a mandate there to have an independence referendum you may not like it but hey thats democracy for you lol Those that did vote send a majority vote in Scotland to remain part of the EU remember 2014 when unionists told people to vote no to independence to keep your EU membership ? Democracy is not an event and since 2014 things have changed Two issues that very well could break the unequal UK union Scotlands mandate to have an independence referendum when the final deal is known on brexit The Irish border issue you cant have N.Ireland out out the EU single market and customs union and the Rep of Ireland in the Eu there would need to be a hard border and that could end the good Friday agreement no one wants to see that Oh well the Tories caused this fucking mess they can either solve it or watch the UK break up lol | |||
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"That is what a forum is about opinions. NS overestimated the feeling for the EU when she pulled the trigger on starting the process of another referendum. She has slowed down in her approach to it. On democracy as you will have read on my posts before let's have the Indy ref tomorrow. If it is a good brexit deal ( which won't happen ) You are still not gonna want to stay in the UK so there is no point waiting. NS does not want to risk another Indy ref as she is not sure she will win. If Indy was gonna be good in 2014 it is gonna be good every day. After brexit Scotland will be back of the Q to join and we won't have Thatcher s debate." No one is asking for an independence referendum right now the mandate is there for when the final brexit deal is known i would love to see the UK government block a democratic mandate from the will of the Scottish people. Right so here you are saying you dont think there will be a good brexit deal and by the brexit impact papers being redacted and reports that Scotland would be worse it and you still would want to follow England to leaving the EU mental!!! There is no que to join the EU dont believe British media shite look where that shite got you when people believed that Spain veto myth hahahahaha the fact is it wasnt about an independent Scotland but more about Gibralter anyone could have saw that but no no the British media tell you to believe something you they have you hook line and sinker lol | |||
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"My point is why wait Indy is a great thing so let's get on with it !!!! The mandate only lasts until the next Hollywood elections !!! Scotland will not have automatic right of entry as we need a currency of our own and reduce our deficit." Oh god Why wait you say ? Answer is because we dont know the final brexit deal when we do know the final brexit deal then the Scottish people will be able to decide if they agree to brexit or would rather independence Now since you think the UK is not going to get a good deal on brexit can i ask you with the brexit impact papers being redacted and reports that Scotland would be worse off why would you still want to follow the rest of the UK eh ? I mean it would kinda sound like you are willing for Scotland to take some damage in order to keep the UK union together. | |||
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" 1; Because it's shit? 2; exactly what are you talking about, define what you consider "shit" 3; I'm asking you why they don't move there. so now you are changing an answer (1) to a question (3) I am asking you "What" YOU consider shit, as in your answer (1) if you say something at least have the guts to back yourself up, so again what do you consider "shit", is it a country you consider that is shit and if so what country? Why do people bottle out of moving to Scotland? OK CLCC do you consider Scotland shit as in your answer (1) yes or no If you state "because its shit" have the guts to back yourself up, or are you running frightened now" But the comment actually said "because it's shit?", which is a question, not a statement. | |||
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Why are they waiting to see the deal, and what circumstances would they consider calling it off if they found the deal acceptable.
What in their view, is the difference between a good deal or a bad deal?
The snp are now dragging their feet on having another referendum, it's a stalling tactic.
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"CLCC i can see your against brexit and think it will be bad for the UK So tell me why you think Scotland should stay in a UK brexit when Scotland didnt vote for it ? Surely you would want Scotland to get the fuck away from the brexit mess while they have a mandate to have an independence referendum to do so ? Or you saying we are all in this together and should suffer together ? I respect England vote to leave the EU i wish England didnt vote to leave and hope the people change their minds before they leave the EU but sadly i dont see it coming Scotland has a way out and must be able to make that choice so we dont suffer the effects of brexit " The problem with that logic is that, by trying to avoid the economic downside of leaving the EU, you would be facing an even bigger economic downside by leaving the UK. The economics of leaving the UK in favour of joining the EU just don't stack up. England is Scotland's biggest trading partner and Scotland is England's. All the economic arguments that say leaving the EU will be bad for the UK (and Scotland) are even greater when applied to a UK Scotland split. I personally think that, in the short to medium term, the UK leaving the EU will not lead to a 'yes' vote for Scottish independence, especially as the full economic effects of what breaking up a single market and customs union will actually be. The Scottish people, after having left a single market and customs union with their second largest trading partner (even if against their will), may think twice before voting to break up and leave a single market and customs union with their largest trading partner. In the longer run, especially if BREXIT goes badly for the UK (which I can see no way it won't) then the argument that Scotland was dragged out of Europe by England will pick-up ever increasing traction and, I believe, will inevitably lead to the breakup of the UK. | |||
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"The so called mandate is because Scotland is being "dragged out against its will", whether it's a good deal or not does not alter the fact that we are leaving. The so called mandate was not for "let's wait and see", was it?
Why are they waiting to see the deal, and what circumstances would they consider calling it off if they found the deal acceptable.
What in their view, is the difference between a good deal or a bad deal?
The snp are now dragging their feet on having another referendum, it's a stalling tactic.
All polling shows insufficient support, they know they would lose. "Have you saw the ''Journey to yes'' videos on Youtube ? That is your fellow no voters that have changed their minds and would now vote yes to independence What did the SNP 2017 manifesto say again on the issue of brexit and independence ? Also i will ask you the same question as above if the UK is not going to get a good deal on brexit can i ask you with the brexit impact papers being redacted and reports that Scotland would be worse off why would you still want to follow the rest of the UK eh ? | |||
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"Centaur if you think brexit is going to be amazing then why is the Tories redacting the brexit impact papers ? Surely if it was all good news for the economy then they would release them for everyone to see ? " And the question you have to answer is, if you believe that leaving a customs union and single market with Scotland's second biggest trading partner (the EU) is such a bad idea why to you believe that leaving a customs union and single market with your biggest trading partner (England) would somehow make things better? | |||
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"If scotland or northern Ireland decided to leave UK post brexit will they have to pay England part of the divorce bill ?????" They would have to pay their share of the overall deficit and possibly any infrastructure projects that had been agreed jointly. They would also have to pay any money that they had previously agreed to pay before the split. | |||
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"Centaur if you think brexit is going to be amazing then why is the Tories redacting the brexit impact papers ? Surely if it was all good news for the economy then they would release them for everyone to see ? And the question you have to answer is, if you believe that leaving a customs union and single market with Scotland's second biggest trading partner (the EU) is such a bad idea why to you believe that leaving a customs union and single market with your biggest trading partner (England) would somehow make things better?" That was not answering the question lol The question i asked there was brexit is going to be amazing then why is the Tories redacting the brexit impact papers ? Why they not wanting the public to see the whole thing eh ? Dont give me the whole the Tories shouldnt give out things while they are in the negotiations stage because the EU have already done there side of the impacts of brexit so dont bullshit people Its easy to see the Tories are hiding things from the public. Surely to god people want the best interests for the UK so why are the leave voters not willing to challeage to Tories to release the full impact of brexit if your brave enough to thing its going to be sunshine and rainbow put the money with your mouth is and prove it | |||
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"If scotland or northern Ireland decided to leave UK post brexit will they have to pay England part of the divorce bill ????? They would have to pay their share of the overall deficit and possibly any infrastructure projects that had been agreed jointly. They would also have to pay any money that they had previously agreed to pay before the split." Wrong no they dont money is not devolved to Scotland or NI So since Westminster is in charge of the money and they are borrowing and adding to the UK debt thats there problem Answer this does Scotland have any borrowing powers ? | |||
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""Can you tell me things that are made in England that get exported into Scotland ?" Your favourite tipple, Buckfast. "Anything else ? I cant see that making much not everyone likes it Come on lets try and make a list of 10 things made in England and exported into Scotland i know its hard but try eh lol | |||
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"Come on Ticklybit am interested to hear from something that believes Scotland is better in the UK union If the UK is not going to get a good deal on brexit can i ask you with the brexit impact papers being redacted and reports that Scotland would be worse off why would you still want Scotland to follow the rest of the UK ? Are you willing to accept Scotland being worse off in a UK brexit just to keep the UK together ? " So would Scotland leave the UK and the EU ? | |||
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"Come on Ticklybit am interested to hear from something that believes Scotland is better in the UK union If the UK is not going to get a good deal on brexit can i ask you with the brexit impact papers being redacted and reports that Scotland would be worse off why would you still want Scotland to follow the rest of the UK ? Are you willing to accept Scotland being worse off in a UK brexit just to keep the UK together ? So would Scotland leave the UK and the EU ?" If you have been listening to the EU they are more than happy to fast track an independent Scotland in the EU So the question still is if the UK is not going to get a good deal on brexit can i ask you with the brexit impact papers being redacted and reports that Scotland would be worse off why would you still want Scotland to follow the rest of the UK ? Surely people cant be saying they would be more than happy to see Scotland worse off in a UK brexit just to keep the UK together | |||
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"If thats what the people of those regions wants then fair enough i wouldn't have any objections" I am sure they will be pleased | |||
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"Come on Ticklybit am interested to hear from something that believes Scotland is better in the UK union If the UK is not going to get a good deal on brexit can i ask you with the brexit impact papers being redacted and reports that Scotland would be worse off why would you still want Scotland to follow the rest of the UK ? Are you willing to accept Scotland being worse off in a UK brexit just to keep the UK together ? " Scotland would be worse off on its own as it would take at least 5 years to get back into the EU and they would lose all the money they get off Westminster,that could be used to fund the NHS and security in England Wales and Northern Ireland,sounds a good deal for us | |||
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"Wouldn't it be better if you could talk Scotland up, rather than attempting to talk England down. There's more to this union than just Scotland and England. It makes you look like a narrow minded xenophobic bigot. " Oh the bigot shit comes out again but strange you dont seem to want to answer what i have asked you why not lol If the UK is not going to get a good deal on brexit can i ask you with the brexit impact papers being redacted and reports that Scotland would be worse off why would you still want Scotland to follow the rest of the UK ? Would you Ticklybit accept Scotland being worse off in a UK brexit just so you can keep the UK union together ? Oh and i am forever talking Scotland up How about the unionist side do the same go on say something good about our Scottish government which would be the SNP ? Can you name all the good things they have done for Scotland ? i mean must be doing something right that 10years on and they are still in government in Scotland lol | |||
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"Support for independence in Scotland is on a downward trajectory, don't bother listening to kinky,s guff. If it wants independence and join the EU it would need to cut its deficit to under 3% and reduce its debt to 60% of GDP before its even considered for membership, slashing public spending and horrendous tax hikes to make those targets. And then it would have a hard border between it and the remaining UK, rendering all exports and imports more expensive and currency transaction costs. The very thing that they are highlighting in the case of NI and the RoI would be replicated at the Scottish/English border. This is worth baring in mind when you consider the amount to of internal trade done within the UK at the moment. It would be an act of folly that would dwarf the impact of Brexit on the people of Scotland. " This | |||
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