FabSwingers.com forum: European City Of Culture 2023

By *ercury OP Man
over a year ago

Grantham

I'm hearing that the EU have now started that they will not allow a UK city to be the European City Of Culture in 2023.

It was our turn in 2023, and 5 cities across the UK have spent months formulating their bids, due for presentation shortly.

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin

Why did they spend months putting bids together when theyve known they'll be out of the EU by then for over a year?

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By *ercury OP Man
over a year ago

Grantham

"Why did they spend months putting bids together when theyve known they'll be out of the EU by then for over a year?

The following cities have two things in common. Given the context of the post, can you think what they are?

Reykjavik, Stavanger and Istanbul.

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin

A spokeswoman for the Department for Culture, Media and Sport said the government was in "urgent discussions" with the Commission about the decision.

"We disagree with the European Commission's stance and are deeply disappointed that it has waited until after UK cities have submitted their final bids before communicating this new position to us," a statement said.

"The prime minister has been clear that while we are leaving the EU, we are not leaving Europe and this has been welcomed by EU leaders."

What sort of nonsense is this?? The BBC called it a bombshell, Hillary Benn said it had come out of the blue.

Its an EU thing not a Europe thing and theyve very clear criteria that means once Brexit occurs the UK will be ineligible.

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin

"Why did they spend months putting bids together when theyve known they'll be out of the EU by then for over a year?

The following cities have two things in common. Given the context of the post, can you think what they are?

Reykjavik, Stavanger and Istanbul."

They are former capitals of culture and they all met the criteria.

Reykjavik and Stavanger are both in the EEA and Istanbul was a candidate. They met the requirements that have not only been there for years, but that the UK had a hand in writing and could have changed if they wanted!

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By *ercury OP Man
over a year ago

Grantham

"Why did they spend months putting bids together when theyve known they'll be out of the EU by then for over a year?

The following cities have two things in common. Given the context of the post, can you think what they are?

Reykjavik, Stavanger and Istanbul.

They are former capitals of culture and they all met the criteria.

And none of them are in the EU!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Actually it was Dundee that refered to it as a Bombshell, I assume the Beeb just picked up on that.

All in all personally I thick it's a bit nasty to pull it now and it smacks of lets teach the Brits a lesson to me.

Can smeone please tell me where I can find out the criteria that a city has to meet to be elligible.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The city of culture isn't limited to EU member nations.

The criteria are EU member states, states that are candidates or potential candidates for membership, and the EEA countries.

Once this brexit shitnado is over, the UK will meet none of those.

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By *ercury OP Man
over a year ago

Grantham

"Actually it was Dundee that refered to it as a Bombshell, I assume the Beeb just picked up on that.

All in all personally I thick it's a bit nasty to pull it now and it smacks of lets teach the Brits a lesson to me.

Can smeone please tell me where I can find out the criteria that a city has to meet to be elligible.

Ta"

It was the UK's turn to host I'm 2023. As far as I can see, the rules were changed in 2010 (after Istanbul) that only cities in the EU can apply. Last time I looked, we were still in the EU and most definitely still in Europe.

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin

The rules havent changed at all since Istanbul.

And this isnt some nasty thing the EU is doing to "teach the Brits a lesson". Youve quit the EU and your government has said time and time again that the longest transition period will be over long before 2023.

This is like an employee in July handing in two months notice and then complaining theyre not getting a ticket to the christmas party in December.

Its truly bizarre that the EU is getting the blame because British cities wont get to participate in EU events in 6 years time.

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By *ercury OP Man
over a year ago

Grantham

"The rules havent changed at all since Istanbul.

This is like an employee in July handing in two months notice and then complaining theyre not getting a ticket to the christmas party in December.

Its truly bizarre that the EU is getting the blame because British cities wont get to participate in EU events in 6 years time."

We haven't quit the EU yet! We are still contributing fully, and would still be contributing when the decision of host city would have been made.

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By *ercury OP Man
over a year ago

Grantham

"The rules havent changed at all since Istanbul.

This is like an employee in July handing in two months notice and then complaining theyre not getting a ticket to the christmas party in December.

Its truly bizarre that the EU is getting the blame because British cities wont get to participate in EU events in 6 years time."

The rules were changed after Istanbul in 2010.

Before then, 3 cities were chosen. 1 from an established EU nation, 1 from a new EU nation and 1 from a nation bordering the EU. The latter was then dropped in order not to dilute matters.

The UK was due to host in 2023, along with Hungary.

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin

The rules were changed after Istanbul in 2010.

Before then, 3 cities were chosen. 1 from an established EU nation, 1 from a new EU nation and 1 from a nation bordering the EU. The latter was then dropped in order not to dilute matters.

The UK was due to host in 2023, along with Hungary."

Not even remotely true.

2010 is the only year theres been 3 cities so far. And they were 2 current EU cities (Hungarian and German) and 1 prospective (Turkey).

The adjacent country being eligible has never ever been a thing. Youre trusting the wrong sources of information whatever that was.

The UK is not eligible to be the capital of the EUs anything in 2030 because its not going to be in the EU. It makes as much sense as Orlando, Florida being the UKs Capital of Culture.

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin

2023 not 2030, although both are true.

And for some reason its not surprising that its proBrexiters blaming the EU for the decision to quit the EU biting them on the ass.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This sounds like a future commitment that the EU have decided to say "get fucked" to!

Something I'm inclined to agree with them about and should be reciprocal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would of thought brexiters would be happy.We can now have a British city of culture.Most brexiters I've spoken to don't see themselves as European.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"I'm hearing that the EU have now started that they will not allow a UK city to be the European City Of Culture in 2023.

It was our turn in 2023, and 5 cities across the UK have spent months formulating their bids, due for presentation shortly.

So you still want the European Commission to make decision with financial implications for British cities after brexit?

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin

Brexiters: We dont want to be in any part of the EU and its scandalous that the EU want us to honour our financial commitments that we already agreed to.

Also Brexiters: We cant believe the EU isnt letting us be involved in the EU and that they cancelled before ever making a committment to any of the cities. Why are we being excluded, is this punishment for excluding ourselves??

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By *ercury OP Man
over a year ago

Grantham

"I'm hearing that the EU have now started that they will not allow a UK city to be the European City Of Culture in 2023.

It was our turn in 2023, and 5 cities across the UK have spent months formulating their bids, due for presentation shortly.

So you still want the European Commission to make decision with financial implications for British cities after brexit?

Perfectly reasonable whilst they are still taking our money.

I thought the EU were wanting us to pay for future commitments? Or does that just apply to commitments that suit them?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This sounds like a future commitment that the EU have decided to say "get fucked" to!

No, it doesn't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We have to expect this now, we are going to be not longer part of the club, it’s their right to do this, must not grumble, cannot complain. This is the future people wanted what more can you say?

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"The rules havent changed at all since Istanbul.

This is like an employee in July handing in two months notice and then complaining theyre not getting a ticket to the christmas party in December.

Its truly bizarre that the EU is getting the blame because British cities wont get to participate in EU events in 6 years time.

We haven't quit the EU yet! We are still contributing fully, and would still be contributing when the decision of host city would have been made."

Didn't some foreign secretary say

The Foreign Secretary says Brussels can "go whistle" over its demands for billions of euros from Britain ...

So what should the Eu think the UK may do over it's future commitments

All the Eu hears is

The UK wants out

Fully out

No links only trade deal

No payments or obligations

No part of horrid Europe or it's money grabbing

So they have said

Erm ok

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin

"I'm hearing that the EU have now started that they will not allow a UK city to be the European City Of Culture in 2023.

It was our turn in 2023, and 5 cities across the UK have spent months formulating their bids, due for presentation shortly.

So you still want the European Commission to make decision with financial implications for British cities after brexit?

Perfectly reasonable whilst they are still taking our money.

I thought the EU were wanting us to pay for future commitments? Or does that just apply to commitments that suit them?"

The EU told the 5 cities before any commitment was made on which would host it. And the UK could have asked to remain in things like Euratom which arent part of the EU but such was the Anti-EU sentiment that they wouldnt even do that.

At no point have I heard anyone in the May government say they wanted to remain as part of the cultural celebrations so how are the EU to know?

Maybe if your leader didnt rely on empty statements like Brexit means Brexit and had put together a plan that 17 months after the vote is still being called unprepared and chaotic then this might not have happened.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Funny ain't it all these brexiters wanting and moaning about it lol

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

If it's an eu designated thing, which I believe it is, I can't see how anybody can be surprised we aren't eligible after we've left.

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By *rench letterCouple
over a year ago

Chorley,

We seem to be loosing everything. Jobs in the city yesterday to European cities now, And now we can't have European City of culture. Those who voted leave are getting what they wanted going to ruin this country with Brexit don't know about bringing it together. If we could move to Europe we would as prefer to be there than here a far better way of life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Funny ain't it all these brexiters wanting and moaning about it lol

Well, there were promised all of the good things, none of the bad things if they voted for brexit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We seem to be loosing everything. Jobs in the city yesterday to European cities now, And now we can't have European City of culture. Those who voted leave are getting what they wanted going to ruin this country with Brexit don't know about bringing it together. If we could move to Europe we would as prefer to be there than here a far better way of life. "

Well the EU project was designed for it to be about having a better life and all the citizens on a level playing field...i just guess some are that nostalgic on here they want to try and go back to the war years

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"Why did they spend months putting bids together when theyve known they'll be out of the EU by then for over a year?

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Why has it taken so long for the EU to say this?A right load of bastards

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

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By *rench letterCouple
over a year ago

Chorley,

If only, if we can sell our business it's on the cards.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

If only, if we can sell our business it's on the cards. "
Just remember the grass allways looks greener but it wont be

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If only, if we can sell our business it's on the cards. "

good luck

uk has been turned into a shithole

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Why did they spend months putting bids together when theyve known they'll be out of the EU by then for over a year?

Why has it taken so long for the EU to say this?A right load of bastards"

Wasn't it obvious?

How thick have you got to be to think that a UK city would be awarded an EU event after we have left the EU?

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

If only, if we can sell our business it's on the cards.

good luck

uk has been turned into a shithole

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You should go as well,we are over crowded,those that want Europe should go and live there

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If only, if we can sell our business it's on the cards.

good luck

uk has been turned into a shithole

You should go as well,we are over crowded,those that want Europe should go and live there"

Over crowed stop reading the Scum or the fail...were no where near overcrowded lol

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By *rench letterCouple
over a year ago

Chorley,

If only, if we can sell our business it's on the cards.

good luck

uk has been turned into a shithole

You should go as well,we are over crowded,those that want Europe should go and live there"

It would be Vive la France or sun, sea and Sangria in Spain not sure which.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If only, if we can sell our business it's on the cards.

good luck

uk has been turned into a shithole

You should go as well,we are over crowded,those that want Europe should go and live there"

i will when i'm bored of rinsing the system and feel happy that i have sent enough money abroad chap ... the joys of dual nationality

ps ... i look forward to spending my british pension abroad

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

If only, if we can sell our business it's on the cards.

good luck

uk has been turned into a shithole

You should go as well,we are over crowded,those that want Europe should go and live there

Over crowed stop reading the Scum or the fail...were no where near overcrowded lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Every cloud has a silver lining...hopefully they'll tell us we will be out of Eurovision Song Contest next

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Every cloud has a silver lining...hopefully they'll tell us we will be out of Eurovision Song Contest next

Even Australia is in that shit now apparently.

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin

"Why has it taken so long for the EU to say this?A right load of bastards"

Did the EU tell you the sun would come up this morning? Did they tell you to get dressed today? Why do you think the EU needs to hold Britains hand and tell them every little thing?

The UK department of culture said that this would probably be an issue before anyone spent any money on it. Why didnt they check and get a firm answer?

" Just remember the grass allways looks greener but it wont be"

The irony of a Brexiter saying this is almost as amazing as the lack of self awareness.

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By *ercury OP Man
over a year ago

Grantham

You do realise that under current EU law, the UK was obliged to make a bid or risk a fine?

As the UK Government hadn't been informed on any change to this position by the Commission, then it invited bids, albeit with a caveat attached.

My local city of Nottingham estimate that their bid cost around £150k. They have responded to the news with a stoic "doesn't matter, we are still pressing ahead with our cultural improvement plans".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You do realise that under current EU law, the UK was obliged to make a bid or risk a fine?"

This wouldn't surprise me!

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

If only, if we can sell our business it's on the cards. Just remember the grass allways looks greener but it wont be"

Oh tell me that's tongue in cheek xxx

Thing is we can know what it maybe like to live there

Exit voters had and still don't have any idea of the grass colour after exit

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin

"You do realise that under current EU law, the UK was obliged to make a bid or risk a fine?

Absolutely untrue, this is the second time in this thread youve just posted a straight up lie.

Decision No 445/2014/EU is the law that established the city of culture for the years 2020 to 2033 (repealing the previous legislation) and not only is there no mention of a fine or penalty, it specifically states that the country may not have a city of culture as scheduled without issue.

You cant trust a Brexiter to be honest about anything regarding the EU. Not to mention the others who immediately and unquestioningly assume its true.

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By *ercury OP Man
over a year ago

Grantham

"You do realise that under current EU law, the UK was obliged to make a bid or risk a fine?

Absolutely untrue, this is the second time in this thread youve just posted a straight up lie.

You cant trust a Brexiter to be honest about anything regarding the EU. Not to mention the others who immediately and unquestioningly assume its true."

My information came from an article written by two journalists in The Guardian.

If that information is erroneous, then I apologise, as I have always done so if found to be posting erroneous information.

I'm afraid that your entrenched Remain position on Brexit makes it extremely unlikely that we'll see eye to eye on this issue, but not all those that voted Leave have such blinkered views as you continually describe.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

hahahahahahahahaha

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Oh, Brexiteers. You make me laugh.

Sorry, I can't think of anything more constructive to say on the matter than that.

-Matt

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

hahahahahahahahaha

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Oh, Brexiteers. You make me laugh.

Sorry, I can't think of anything more constructive to say on the matter than that.

-Matt"

There's two sets of people who look very silly in the story and thread, I agree...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is certainly going to be one of the most trivial losses that will come from brexit in the scheme of things.

Who knows, the UK might well be back in by then.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

"Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

hahahahahahahahaha

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Oh, Brexiteers. You make me laugh.

Sorry, I can't think of anything more constructive to say on the matter than that.

-Matt

There's two sets of people who look very silly in the story and thread, I agree..."

Yup, the people organising the bids thinking that the rules don't matter, and the people getting outraged that the rules can't be bent despite our government making it quite clear the EU can go fuck itself.

-Matt

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

hahahahahahahahaha

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Oh, Brexiteers. You make me laugh.

Sorry, I can't think of anything more constructive to say on the matter than that.

-Matt

There's two sets of people who look very silly in the story and thread, I agree...

-Matt"

Ok, 3 sets of people.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

"Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

hahahahahahahahaha

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Oh, Brexiteers. You make me laugh.

Sorry, I can't think of anything more constructive to say on the matter than that.

-Matt

There's two sets of people who look very silly in the story and thread, I agree...

-Matt

Ok, 3 sets of people."

OK, three then.

- the people organising the bids thinking that the rules don't matter

- the people getting outraged that the rules can't be bent despite our government making it quite clear the EU can go fuck itself.

- the people trying to defend the people above

-Matt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That is right, if you are not in the club, they wont get any benefits lol.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"That is right, if you are not in the club, they wont get any benefits lol."

Brexiters think you get more benefits when you are not part of the club.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"That is right, if you are not in the club, they wont get any benefits lol.

Brexiters think you get more benefits when you are not part of the club.

'Brexiters' think lots of different things to each other. Much in the same way as Muslims don't all think alike, or Scots don't all think alike and you don't think all the same things as other Remain voters. Not hard to drop the prejudice, if you want to....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

when it comes to brexit the brextremists have proved themselves to share a hive mind

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"That is right, if you are not in the club, they wont get any benefits lol.

Brexiters think you get more benefits when you are not part of the club.

Well you think we will automatically keep all the trade deals with 3rd countries that the EU has made. I would say that kind of proves my point.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"That is right, if you are not in the club, they wont get any benefits lol.

Brexiters think you get more benefits when you are not part of the club.

Well you think we will automatically keep all the trade deals with 3rd countries that the EU has made. I would say that kind of proves my point.

No I don't. Plus, irrelevant answer. Stick with the prejudice, if it's easier.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

"That is right, if you are not in the club, they wont get any benefits lol.

Brexiters think you get more benefits when you are not part of the club.

lol. Hilarious.

Yes, I'm sure Brexiters think lots of different things. However the ONE thing that actually DEFINES[*] them is that they believe we'd be better off 'out of the club'.

-Matt

* OK, I'm sure there are some people who voted to leave the EU who had no idea what they were actually voting for, so guess maybe the fact they voted for brexit doesn't define them as 'brexiters'. Maybe just stupid.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"That is right, if you are not in the club, they wont get any benefits lol.

Brexiters think you get more benefits when you are not part of the club.

lol. Hilarious.

Yes, I'm sure Brexiters think lots of different things. However the ONE thing that actually DEFINES[*] them is that they believe we'd be better off 'out of the club'.

-Matt

'They' may think overall it's just better to not be in the club. Whether 'they' think they'll get more benefit is unknown, because we don't know what 50% odd of the electorates thinking was.

Some will have voted for good reason, others for bad reasons and others for unknown reasons. I find it concerning coming from people who rightly deride prejudice to embrace it so quickly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The brexiters wanted many different things.The remainers wanted one.To remain.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The brexiters wanted many different things.The remainers wanted one.To remain."

and now they want to sit back, eat popcorn and watch the fireworks

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"The brexiters wanted many different things.The remainers wanted one.To remain."

Or maybe the people who voted leave, voted for various reasons. And the people who voted remain voted for various reasons.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"The brexiters wanted many different things.The remainers wanted one.To remain.

and now they want to sit back, eat popcorn and watch the fireworks

Have you spoken to 'them' all to confirm that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The brexiters wanted many different things.The remainers wanted one.To remain.

Or maybe the people who voted leave, voted for various reasons. And the people who voted remain voted for various reasons."

meanwhile ... back in the real world

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The brexiters wanted many different things.The remainers wanted one.To remain.

and now they want to sit back, eat popcorn and watch the fireworks

Have you spoken to 'them' all to confirm that?"

haven't you?

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"The brexiters wanted many different things.The remainers wanted one.To remain.

Or maybe the people who voted leave, voted for various reasons. And the people who voted remain voted for various reasons.

meanwhile ... back in the real world"

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"The brexiters wanted many different things.The remainers wanted one.To remain.

and now they want to sit back, eat popcorn and watch the fireworks

Have you spoken to 'them' all to confirm that?

haven't you?"

I'm not stupid enough to think that 50% of the population has one homogeneous opinion, so I wouldn't waste my time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm not stupid enough to think that 50% of the population has one homogeneous opinion, so I wouldn't waste my time."

maybe ... but the you are offering up a imaginary statistic of 50% and attempting to pass it off to intelligent folks as a psuedo fact though aren't you

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"I'm not stupid enough to think that 50% of the population has one homogeneous opinion, so I wouldn't waste my time.

maybe ... but the you are offering up a imaginary statistic of 50% and attempting to pass it off to intelligent folks as a psuedo fact though aren't you"

I'm not stupid enough to think that 50% of the voters has one homogeneous opinion, so I wouldn't waste my time.

That better?

Doesn't change anything. The fact remains that I respect other peoples views and that they hold them for different reasons and those views combine to make them vote one way or the other. I don't presume to know or understand their reasons.

Luckily, I have never encountered people in everyday life who speak with the vitriol and bitterness as in this forum.

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over a year ago

"I'm not stupid enough to think that 50% of the population has one homogeneous opinion, so I wouldn't waste my time.

maybe ... but the you are offering up a imaginary statistic of 50% and attempting to pass it off to intelligent folks as a psuedo fact though aren't you

I'm not stupid enough to think that 50% of the voters has one homogeneous opinion, so I wouldn't waste my time.

That better?

Luckily, I have never encountered people in everyday life who speak with the vitriol and bitterness as in this forum."

no ... you're quite correct ... your ammendment doesn't change anything ... you're still attempting to pass off a bogus statistic of 50% of people ... do you think that nobody on the thread noticed that your 50% statistic is completelt fabricated? it really is a bit conceited of you to try to speak for half the people when you haven't a clue what half the people actually want

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

What are you talking about?

52% voted leave. That's not bogus. I'm saying nobody knows the reasons they all voted leave, and nobody knows why all the 48% voted remain.

Blurting out 'brexiters' this , 'remainers' that is bullshit, lazy and prejudiced, whoever says it.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

So people who voted remain didn't do so because they wanted to remain?

This is nearly as daft as when you said toddlers care about what Michael Gove says!

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"So people who voted remain didn't do so because they wanted to remain?

This is nearly as daft as when you said toddlers care about what Michael Gove says!

I never said anything like that about Gove. I recall you twisting something like that, but even you reading it now can see how fake it is? You are clutching at such silly straws.

People voted Leave for various reasons. People voted Remain for various reasons.

Presuming to know why all of them did that is ridiculous.

Lumping Brexiters together and Remainers together as a homogeneous like-thinking mass is wrong.

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over a year ago

it wasn't 52% of the population though...if the Tories had stuck to there striking rules laws that they made...we would be in the shite were in now

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over a year ago

wouldn't

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why did they spend months putting bids together when theyve known they'll be out of the EU by then for over a year?

The following cities have two things in common. Given the context of the post, can you think what they are?

Reykjavik, Stavanger and Istanbul."

They are either in EFTA, the customs union, or have applied to join EU fully.

These are all IN the criteria required.

Leaving ISN’T. It’s not exactly rocket science!

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"So people who voted remain didn't do so because they wanted to remain?

This is nearly as daft as when you said toddlers care about what Michael Gove says!

I never said anything like that about Gove. I recall you twisting something like that, but even you reading it now can see how fake it is? You are clutching at such silly straws.

People voted Leave for various reasons. People voted Remain for various reasons.

Presuming to know why all of them did that is ridiculous.

Lumping Brexiters together and Remainers together as a homogeneous like-thinking mass is wrong."

So you don't think that people who voted remain did so because they wanted the UK to remain in the EU?

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"it wasn't 52% of the population though...if the Tories had stuck to there striking rules laws that they made...we would be in the shite were in now"

Are you proposing we allow every single person in the population to vote? The referendum was open to everyone in the electorate.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

I never said anything like that about Gove. I recall you twisting something like that, but even you reading it now can see how fake it is? You are clutching at such silly straws.

People voted Leave for various reasons. People voted Remain for various reasons.

Presuming to know why all of them did that is ridiculous.

Lumping Brexiters together and Remainers together as a homogeneous like-thinking mass is wrong.

So you don't think that people who voted remain did so because they wanted the UK to remain in the EU?

God, this is tedious. They voted to Remain for various *reasons*. Not the same reasons.

You do realise a lot of remain voters are die-hard tories. Do you lump yourself together with them? The Labour party has voted for the Leave bills, so presumably you classify them as stupid Brexiters too?

Is it really so difficult to accept that a referendum on one topic has so many varying reasons for support and opposition?

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over a year ago

"it wasn't 52% of the population though...if the Tories had stuck to there striking rules laws that they made...we would be in the shite were in now

Are you proposing we allow every single person in the population to vote? The referendum was open to everyone in the electorate."

no but i would like voting to be mandatory....i think brexiters are a bit disingenuous like your being when you say about the vote result

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over a year ago

I never said anything like that about Gove. I recall you twisting something like that, but even you reading it now can see how fake it is? You are clutching at such silly straws.

People voted Leave for various reasons. People voted Remain for various reasons.

Presuming to know why all of them did that is ridiculous.

Lumping Brexiters together and Remainers together as a homogeneous like-thinking mass is wrong.

So you don't think that people who voted remain did so because they wanted the UK to remain in the EU?

God, this is tedious. They voted to Remain for various *reasons*. Not the same reasons.

Is it really so difficult to accept that a referendum on one topic has so many varying reasons for support and opposition?"

More labour seats voted leave, by bigger margins than Tory seats. But there was a mix across all political parties (except UKIP I assume).

To equate party voting preferences with referendum choice is clearly garbage.

Labours NE strongholds were among the most leave voting regions in the whole country. Tory strongholds in the south almost all voted remain.

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over a year ago

Grantham

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"it wasn't 52% of the population though...if the Tories had stuck to there striking rules laws that they made...we would be in the shite were in now

Are you proposing we allow every single person in the population to vote? The referendum was open to everyone in the electorate.

no but i would like voting to be mandatory....i think brexiters are a bit disingenuous like your being when you say about the vote result "

In what way disingenuous? The decision was made that the referendum would be based on a majority decision. 52% of those who voted, voted Leave. It could have gone either way on the same basis. Remember the government controlling it at the time - the tories under Cameron, were in favour of Remain. I don't think they squewed it against what they wanted. It just turned out opposite to what they hoped and advised.

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By *eedsandyMan
over a year ago

Leeds

"Why did they spend months putting bids together when theyve known they'll be out of the EU by then for over a year?

Why did they waste money on the bids? £hundreds of thousands. Councils that say that they are short of money and that are cutting essential services.

Political posturing of course. Trying to show that they want to stay in the EU and hope that we will never leave.

The 3 bidders were:

Dundee - SNP/Independent controlled council and of course Dundee voted to remain, and we all know Scotland's position on leaving the EU.

Leeds - Labour controlled council. Voted narrowly to remain.

Milton Keynes - Hung council. Voted to leave. Politicians ignoring the will of the people.

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By *ercury OP Man
over a year ago

Grantham

"Why did they spend months putting bids together when theyve known they'll be out of the EU by then for over a year?

The following cities have two things in common. Given the context of the post, can you think what they are?

Reykjavik, Stavanger and Istanbul.

They are either in EFTA, the customs union, or have applied to join EU fully.

These are all IN the criteria required.

Leaving ISN’T. It’s not exactly rocket science!"

And when the decision was to be made, we would still be IN and contributing; a contribution that includes monies to the EU department responsible for overseeing the award.

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By *ercury OP Man
over a year ago

Grantham

"Why did they spend months putting bids together when theyve known they'll be out of the EU by then for over a year?

Why did they waste money on the bids? £hundreds of thousands. Councils that say that they are short of money and that are cutting essential services.

Political posturing of course. Trying to show that they want to stay in the EU and hope that we will never leave.

The 3 bidders were:

Dundee - SNP/Independent controlled council and of course Dundee voted to remain, and we all know Scotland's position on leaving the EU.

Leeds - Labour controlled council. Voted narrowly to remain.

Milton Keynes - Hung council. Voted to leave. Politicians ignoring the will of the people.

There was also Belfast/Strabane and Nottingham. Nottingham's bid was largely funded by sponsorship.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

More labour seats voted leave, by bigger margins than Tory seats. But there was a mix across all political parties (except UKIP I assume).

To equate party voting preferences with referendum choice is clearly garbage.

Labours NE strongholds were among the most leave voting regions in the whole country. Tory strongholds in the south almost all voted remain."

That's right, I'm not. I'm saying the opposite. Presuming all on set of voters have the same mindset is nonsense.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

I never said anything like that about Gove. I recall you twisting something like that, but even you reading it now can see how fake it is? You are clutching at such silly straws.

People voted Leave for various reasons. People voted Remain for various reasons.

Presuming to know why all of them did that is ridiculous.

Lumping Brexiters together and Remainers together as a homogeneous like-thinking mass is wrong.

So you don't think that people who voted remain did so because they wanted the UK to remain in the EU?

God, this is tedious. They voted to Remain for various *reasons*. Not the same reasons.

Is it really so difficult to accept that a referendum on one topic has so many varying reasons for support and opposition?"

People who voted remain, did so because they wanted the UK to remain in the EU.

People who voted leave, did so because they wanted the UK to leave the EU.

Surely we can all agree on that?

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

People who voted remain, did so because they wanted the UK to remain in the EU.

People who voted leave, did so because they wanted the UK to leave the EU.

Surely we can all agree on that? "

Well done Mr Holmes. And did they all cast their vote for the same *reason*?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What are you talking about?

52% voted leave. That's not bogus. I'm saying nobody knows the reasons they all voted leave, and nobody knows why all the 48% voted remain.

Blurting out 'brexiters' this , 'remainers' that is bullshit, lazy and prejudiced, whoever says it."

and that's why i've pulled you up on it, because that's exactly what you are guilty of doing yourself lol

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

What are you talking about?

52% voted leave. That's not bogus. I'm saying nobody knows the reasons they all voted leave, and nobody knows why all the 48% voted remain.

Blurting out 'brexiters' this , 'remainers' that is bullshit, lazy and prejudiced, whoever says it.

and that's why i've pulled you up on it, because that's exactly what you are guilty of doing yourself lol"

Copy and paste it in please, or a link to thread. If you can't find me saying it anywhere ever, I'll accept an apology instead.

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over a year ago

"it wasn't 52% of the population though...if the Tories had stuck to there striking rules laws that they made...we would be in the shite were in now"

If the Tories had stuck to what?

What is 'there striking rules laws'?

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

People who voted remain, did so because they wanted the UK to remain in the EU.

People who voted leave, did so because they wanted the UK to leave the EU.

Surely we can all agree on that?

Well done Mr Holmes. And did they all cast their vote for the same *reason*?"

Because they either wanted to remain, or leave

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin

Here is some of the criteria on being a Capital of Culture:

"Are we ready as a city to open up to Europe? Are we willing to

engage in a dialogue with the rest of Europe and the world

and reflect on the contribution we would like to make to the

EU integration project? Are we ready as a city to further

explore the many different cultural expressions – including

those coming from migrant communities – present in our

territory and expose our population to the richness and

diversity of cultural expressions coming from abroad?"

In 2023 no UK city will be making a contribution to the EU integration project. A large part (not all) of the leave vote was driven by anti-migrant feeling.

And it should be obvious that the EU capital of culture shouldnt be from the only country to have rejected the EU so forcefully, particularly when one of the only "red line" issues May hasnt given up on is the free migration of EU citizens.

Regardless of when the decision is made if they arent in the EU when they need to act as the cultural centre of the EU then they cant be chosen. But its not as if the UK government cant choose one of them as the UK capital of culture anyway. And for all the faux outrage 4 bids were getting rejected anyway.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

"The brexiters wanted many different things.The remainers wanted one.To remain.

and now they want to sit back, eat popcorn and watch the fireworks

Have you spoken to 'them' all to confirm that?

haven't you?

I'm not stupid enough to think that 50% of the population has one homogeneous opinion, so I wouldn't waste my time."

Of course they don't have one homogenous opinion, but CLCC specifically said:

"Brexiters think you get more benefits when you are not part of the club."

To which you replied that different people think different things and that not all brexiteers think the same thing.

To which I pointed out, the one thing that SURELY all Brexiters must agree on (by definition) is that we'd be better out of the EU (not part of the club). It doesn't matter WHY they think that, but surely the fact they voted to leave, they must think that. Otherwise if you are someone who voted to leave the EU but don't think we'd be better off out of the EU then you are stupid. Or not capable of actually thinking, and just did what someone told you to do.

-Matt

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over a year ago

"it wasn't 52% of the population though...if the Tories had stuck to there striking rules laws that they made...we would be in the shite were in now

If the Tories had stuck to what?

What is 'there striking rules laws'?"

You tell me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Copy and paste it in please, or a link to thread. If you can't find me saying it anywhere ever, I'll accept an apology instead."

it's no good you being in denial ... that won't help your agenda lady

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over a year ago

"it wasn't 52% of the population though...if the Tories had stuck to there striking rules laws that they made...we would be in the shite were in now

If the Tories had stuck to what?

What is 'there striking rules laws'?

You tell me

I have no idea. That is why I asked.

You wrote it so surely you know what it means?

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over a year ago

"it wasn't 52% of the population though...if the Tories had stuck to there striking rules laws that they made...we would be in the shite were in now

If the Tories had stuck to what?

What is 'there striking rules laws'?

You tell me

I have no idea. That is why I asked.

You wrote it so surely you know what it means?"

Oh i do...im just waiting on your clever answer as per

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over a year ago

"it wasn't 52% of the population though...if the Tories had stuck to there striking rules laws that they made...we would be in the shite were in now

If the Tories had stuck to what?

What is 'there striking rules laws'?

You tell me

I have no idea. That is why I asked.

You wrote it so surely you know what it means?

Oh i do...im just waiting on your clever answer as per

I'm flattered you think so highly of my responses!

So what did you mean by 'there striking rules laws' because it is double Dutch to me. Or are you actually talking rubbish?

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over a year ago

"it wasn't 52% of the population though...if the Tories had stuck to there striking rules laws that they made...we would be in the shite were in now

If the Tories had stuck to what?

What is 'there striking rules laws'?

You tell me

I have no idea. That is why I asked.

You wrote it so surely you know what it means?

Oh i do...im just waiting on your clever answer as per

I'm flattered you think so highly of my responses!

So what did you mean by 'there striking rules laws' because it is double Dutch to me. Or are you actually talking rubbish?"

You tell me...you seem to enjoy trolling me

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"The brexiters wanted many different things.The remainers wanted one.To remain.

and now they want to sit back, eat popcorn and watch the fireworks

Have you spoken to 'them' all to confirm that?

haven't you?

I'm not stupid enough to think that 50% of the population has one homogeneous opinion, so I wouldn't waste my time.

Of course they don't have one homogenous opinion, but CLCC specifically said:

"Brexiters think you get more benefits when you are not part of the club."

To which you replied that different people think different things and that not all brexiteers think the same thing.

-Matt"

Well, CLCC has his own motives for making these comments against swathes of the population, which I don't presume to know.

There's different versions of 'better off' . Being able to be a capital of culture is one form of being better off. Being financially better off is another. Leaving or staying has benefits and losses both ways with both types of benefit.

My point in general, is my frustration with people who claim to be intelligent and non-prejudicial, who bandy about 'brexiter' and 'remainer' or 'remoaner' in sweeping generalisations.

'Remainers' don't have the same mindset anymore than 'Leavers' do.

As I've mentioned before, this forum seems less and less about having a sensible discussion, and more and more about snide name calling and political point scoring.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"it wasn't 52% of the population though...if the Tories had stuck to there striking rules laws that they made...we would be in the shite were in now

If the Tories had stuck to what?

What is 'there striking rules laws'?

You tell me

I have no idea. That is why I asked.

You wrote it so surely you know what it means?

Oh i do...im just waiting on your clever answer as per

I'm flattered you think so highly of my responses!

So what did you mean by 'there striking rules laws' because it is double Dutch to me. Or are you actually talking rubbish?"

I think its in reference to the Tory changes to the way unions have to now get 50%+ of all of their electorate for strike action, rather than just 50%+ of people who actually voted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The brexiters wanted many different things.The remainers wanted one.To remain."
That is right, brexitors want to devide a country, whilst a remainer want to be together, brexitors are toxic for a countrys health.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"Copy and paste it in please, or a link to thread. If you can't find me saying it anywhere ever, I'll accept an apology instead.

it's no good you being in denial ... that won't help your agenda lady"

So, you've not found me saying it anywhere, but havn't got the bottle to say so.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"The brexiters wanted many different things.The remainers wanted one.To remain.That is right, brexitors want to devide a country, whilst a remainer want to be together, brexitors are toxic for a countrys health."

What an nice uniting comment

Completely contradict yourself in one sentence. Exactly the kind of nasty divisive comment I'm talking about.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"it wasn't 52% of the population though...if the Tories had stuck to there striking rules laws that they made...we would be in the shite were in now

If the Tories had stuck to what?

What is 'there striking rules laws'?

You tell me

I have no idea. That is why I asked.

You wrote it so surely you know what it means?

Oh i do...im just waiting on your clever answer as per

I'm flattered you think so highly of my responses!

So what did you mean by 'there striking rules laws' because it is double Dutch to me. Or are you actually talking rubbish?

I think its in reference to the Tory changes to the way unions have to now get 50%+ of all of their electorate for strike action, rather than just 50%+ of people who actually voted."

Why didn't he say that?

That's not how elections are run though is it? The tories who set the election up wanted us to remain too, why didn't they do it that way?

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over a year ago

"it wasn't 52% of the population though...if the Tories had stuck to there striking rules laws that they made...we would be in the shite were in now

If the Tories had stuck to what?

What is 'there striking rules laws'?

You tell me

I have no idea. That is why I asked.

You wrote it so surely you know what it means?

Oh i do...im just waiting on your clever answer as per

I'm flattered you think so highly of my responses!

So what did you mean by 'there striking rules laws' because it is double Dutch to me. Or are you actually talking rubbish?

I think its in reference to the Tory changes to the way unions have to now get 50%+ of all of their electorate for strike action, rather than just 50%+ of people who actually voted.

Why didn't he say that?

That's not how elections are run though is it? The tories who set the election up wanted us to remain too, why didn't they do it that way?"

I explained why i didnt....read back

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What an nice uniting comment

Completely contradict yourself in one sentence. Exactly the kind of nasty divisive comment I'm talking about. "
Most of us think the same, some just dont dare to say it lol.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

That's not how elections are run though is it? The tories who set the election up wanted us to remain too, why didn't they do it that way?

I explained why i didnt....read back

I did. It didn't make sense. We don't run elections for government like that. The same tories who set up those labour laws wanted us to Remain, and they set up the referendum...

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over a year ago

That's not how elections are run though is it? The tories who set the election up wanted us to remain too, why didn't they do it that way?

I explained why i didnt....read back

I did. It didn't make sense. We don't run elections for government like that. The same tories who set up those labour laws wanted us to Remain, and they set up the referendum..."

Like i said read back if your capable too

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

" brexitors are toxic for a countrys health.

What an nice uniting comment

Completely contradict yourself in one sentence. Exactly the kind of nasty divisive comment I'm talking about. Most of us think the same, some just dont dare to say it lol."

I've never met someone who voted remain who would say something like that. How do you know 'most of us' have the same nasty opinion?

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

That's not how elections are run though is it? The tories who set the election up wanted us to remain too, why didn't they do it that way?

I explained why i didnt....read back

I did. It didn't make sense. We don't run elections for government like that. The same tories who set up those labour laws wanted us to Remain, and they set up the referendum...

Like i said read back if your capable too

I have and I am capable, thanks. But as I said, the tory remain supporters who made the labour laws you are talking about also set up the referendum, so it's a bit of an odd-ball link tbh...

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over a year ago

" brexitors are toxic for a countrys health.

What an nice uniting comment

Completely contradict yourself in one sentence. Exactly the kind of nasty divisive comment I'm talking about. Most of us think the same, some just dont dare to say it lol.

I've never met someone who voted remain who would say something like that. How do you know 'most of us' have the same nasty opinion?"
Cos they wouldnt say what they thought, most know brexit is bad, except brexiters.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

" brexitors are toxic for a countrys health.

What an nice uniting comment

Completely contradict yourself in one sentence. Exactly the kind of nasty divisive comment I'm talking about. Most of us think the same, some just dont dare to say it lol.

I've never met someone who voted remain who would say something like that. How do you know 'most of us' have the same nasty opinion?"

Because you voted for something nasty? Just a guess.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's not how elections are run though is it? The tories who set the election up wanted us to remain too, why didn't they do it that way?

I explained why i didnt....read back

I did. It didn't make sense. We don't run elections for government like that. The same tories who set up those labour laws wanted us to Remain, and they set up the referendum...

Like i said read back if your capable too

I have and I am capable, thanks. But as I said, the tory remain supporters who made the labour laws you are talking about also set up the referendum, so it's a bit of an odd-ball link tbh..."

Yes and i said IF....can you see that...or just that parts YOU want to see

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Copy and paste it in please, or a link to thread. If you can't find me saying it anywhere ever, I'll accept an apology instead.

it's no good you being in denial ... that won't help your agenda lady

So, you've not found me saying it anywhere, but havn't got the bottle to say so."

yes ... just scroll up and read your previous posts luvvie ... if you're going to bury your head over it then there's nothing more for you to say really

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

I've never met someone who voted remain who would say something like that. How do you know 'most of us' have the same nasty opinion?

Because you voted for something nasty? Just a guess."

the 'most of us' quote was in reference to his post about 'most of us' believing 'brexiters' are toxic.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"Copy and paste it in please, or a link to thread. If you can't find me saying it anywhere ever, I'll accept an apology instead.

it's no good you being in denial ... that won't help your agenda lady

So, you've not found me saying it anywhere, but havn't got the bottle to say so.

yes ... just scroll up and read your previous posts luvvie ... if you're going to bury your head over it then there's nothing more for you to say really"

I have, and I didn't. Copy and paste it in to prove your point, it's quite simple...

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over a year ago

yes ... just scroll up and read your previous posts luvvie ... if you're going to bury your head over it then there's nothing more for you to say really

I have, and I didn't. Copy and paste it in to prove your point, it's quite simple..."

it is simple ....scroll up and read sweetpea

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

yes ... just scroll up and read your previous posts luvvie ... if you're going to bury your head over it then there's nothing more for you to say really

I have, and I didn't. Copy and paste it in to prove your point, it's quite simple...

it is simple ....scroll up and read sweetpea"

you're just trolling. goodbye.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"you're just trolling. goodbye."

no need to throw insults

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"you're just trolling. goodbye.

no need to throw insults

It wasn't an insult sweetheart, you are just repeatedly saying I said something which i didn't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"you're just trolling. goodbye.

no need to throw insults

It wasn't an insult sweetheart, you are just repeatedly saying I said something which i didn't."

no, flower .... i'm repeatedly saying you said something which you did ... it's in print up there ^^^

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"you're just trolling. goodbye.

no need to throw insults

It wasn't an insult sweetheart, you are just repeatedly saying I said something which i didn't.

no, flower .... i'm repeatedly saying you said something which you did ... it's in print up there ^^^ "

goodbye

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over a year ago

"it wasn't 52% of the population though...if the Tories had stuck to there striking rules laws that they made...we would be in the shite were in now

If the Tories had stuck to what?

What is 'there striking rules laws'?

You tell me

I have no idea. That is why I asked.

You wrote it so surely you know what it means?

Oh i do...im just waiting on your clever answer as per

I'm flattered you think so highly of my responses!

So what did you mean by 'there striking rules laws' because it is double Dutch to me. Or are you actually talking rubbish?

I think its in reference to the Tory changes to the way unions have to now get 50%+ of all of their electorate for strike action, rather than just 50%+ of people who actually voted."

Thank you for the explanation.

But isn't that what happened? The result was determined by those who actually voted! As it should be when voting for strike action.

Changing the method of voting to skew results in your favour would make you as bad as the Tories.

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over a year ago

not hosting the event will clearly save expenditure in the long run though ... and seeing as how the country has been financially shafted by recent government actions then that's a good thing

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over a year ago

"not hosting the event will clearly save expenditure in the long run though ... and seeing as how the country has been financially shafted by recent government actions then that's a good thing

These things are mostly funded by the EU, and tend to attract investment to the city that wins it.

So, not sure how it'll save expenditure in the long run.

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over a year ago

"not hosting the event will clearly save expenditure in the long run though ... and seeing as how the country has been financially shafted by recent government actions then that's a good thing

These things are mostly funded by the EU, and tend to attract investment to the city that wins it.

So, not sure how it'll save expenditure in the long run."

just ponder it long enough and then you'll work it out

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over a year ago

"it wasn't 52% of the population though...if the Tories had stuck to there striking rules laws that they made...we would be in the shite were in now

If the Tories had stuck to what?

What is 'there striking rules laws'?

You tell me

I have no idea. That is why I asked.

You wrote it so surely you know what it means?

Oh i do...im just waiting on your clever answer as per

I'm flattered you think so highly of my responses!

So what did you mean by 'there striking rules laws' because it is double Dutch to me. Or are you actually talking rubbish?

I think its in reference to the Tory changes to the way unions have to now get 50%+ of all of their electorate for strike action, rather than just 50%+ of people who actually voted.

Thank you for the explanation.

But isn't that what happened? The result was determined by those who actually voted! As it should be when voting for strike action.

Changing the method of voting to skew results in your favour would make you as bad as the Tories."

If was the key word you conveniently missed

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over a year ago

"not hosting the event will clearly save expenditure in the long run though ... and seeing as how the country has been financially shafted by recent government actions then that's a good thing

These things are mostly funded by the EU, and tend to attract investment to the city that wins it.

So, not sure how it'll save expenditure in the long run.

just ponder it long enough and then you'll work it out "

Or you could not be needlessly obtuse.

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over a year ago

"not hosting the event will clearly save expenditure in the long run though ... and seeing as how the country has been financially shafted by recent government actions then that's a good thing

These things are mostly funded by the EU, and tend to attract investment to the city that wins it.

So, not sure how it'll save expenditure in the long run.

just ponder it long enough and then you'll work it out

Or you could not be needlessly obtuse."

try not being needlessly and deliberately contrary for once instead

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over a year ago

"not hosting the event will clearly save expenditure in the long run though ... and seeing as how the country has been financially shafted by recent government actions then that's a good thing

These things are mostly funded by the EU, and tend to attract investment to the city that wins it.

So, not sure how it'll save expenditure in the long run.

just ponder it long enough and then you'll work it out

Or you could not be needlessly obtuse.

try not being needlessly and deliberately contrary for once instead "

I get the feeling there isn't a deeper point to be gleaned here, and you just didn't know how the city of culture program works.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"not hosting the event will clearly save expenditure in the long run though ... and seeing as how the country has been financially shafted by recent government actions then that's a good thing

These things are mostly funded by the EU, and tend to attract investment to the city that wins it.

So, not sure how it'll save expenditure in the long run.

just ponder it long enough and then you'll work it out

Or you could not be needlessly obtuse.

try not being needlessly and deliberately contrary for once instead

I get the feeling there isn't a deeper point to be gleaned here, and you just didn't know how the city of culture program works."

that's just another wild guess on your part

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Given your unwillingness, or perhaps inability, to articulate yourself, what else would you have me do?

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over a year ago

"Given your unwillingness, or perhaps inability, to articulate yourself, what else would you have me do?"

get back to the playground

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By *ilent.KnightMan
over a year ago

Swindon

"Given your unwillingness, or perhaps inability, to articulate yourself, what else would you have me do?"
if you build a nice house you have to spend money on it’s upkeep. That’s what my pondering has got to. Old house for all !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Given your unwillingness, or perhaps inability, to articulate yourself, what else would you have me do?

get back to the playground"

I'm afraid I'll have to decline your request and also leave you to your own devices.

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over a year ago

"Given your unwillingness, or perhaps inability, to articulate yourself, what else would you have me do?

get back to the playground

I'm afraid I'll have to decline your request and also leave you to your own devices. "

thank fuck for that!

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By *rumpyMcFuckNuggetMan
over a year ago

Den of Iniquity

"I'm not stupid enough to think that 50% of the population has one homogeneous opinion, so I wouldn't waste my time.

maybe ... but the you are offering up a imaginary statistic of 50% and attempting to pass it off to intelligent folks as a psuedo fact though aren't you

I'm not stupid enough to think that 50% of the voters has one homogeneous opinion, so I wouldn't waste my time.

That better?

Luckily, I have never encountered people in everyday life who speak with the vitriol and bitterness as in this forum."
Bunandbuck yes there is a lot of vitriolic statements being banded out in this forum , mainly by the remain brigade. The usual crap about the leave voters having the combined intellect of a packet of peanuts . The vote is done . We are leaving . Now let's get on with it and get on with each other and stop the childish insults . Just saying !!

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

Luckily, I have never encountered people in everyday life who speak with the vitriol and bitterness as in this forum. Bunandbuck yes there is a lot of vitriolic statements being banded out in this forum , mainly by the remain brigade. The usual crap about the leave voters having the combined intellect of a packet of peanuts . The vote is done . We are leaving . Now let's get on with it and get on with each other and stop the childish insults . Just saying !!"

It would be good to discuss in here too. I agree 'most' of the nastiness does come from 'remain' supporters, not exclusively, and some make good valid points worth discussing.

Yes, we are leaving, and it would be nice, once, to have some opinions on outcomes people would propose (beyond just cancel the whole thing).

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By *ilent.KnightMan
over a year ago

Swindon

This is the bit many remainers get frustrated with. They see there are issues in leaving. From ireland to medicine to the economy. That, for some, if not many, is why they voted to remain. And now they are being told to come up with solutions to problems they warned leavers about.

Someone described it as being on a boat, and your mate pulls you off it and then demands you help swim them to shore as they can’t swim well. But refuse the suggestion of getting back on the boat.

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over a year ago

Some are very blinkered and wrapping themselves up in the flag over brexit

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By *rumpyMcFuckNuggetMan
over a year ago

Den of Iniquity

It would be good to discuss in here too. I agree 'most' of the nastiness does come from 'remain' supporters, not exclusively, and some make good valid points worth discussing.

Yes, we are leaving, and it would be nice, once, to have some opinions on outcomes people would propose (beyond just cancel the whole thing)."
Absolutely . So let's try and discuss going forward instead of whining

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

It would be good to discuss in here too. I agree 'most' of the nastiness does come from 'remain' supporters, not exclusively, and some make good valid points worth discussing.

Yes, we are leaving, and it would be nice, once, to have some opinions on outcomes people would propose (beyond just cancel the whole thing). Absolutely . So let's try and discuss going forward instead of whining

So instead of the people who created the problems, who lied and said their wouldn't be any problems, fixing problems of their own making, you want the people who forewarned you of the problems to now fix it

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"I'm not stupid enough to think that 50% of the population has one homogeneous opinion, so I wouldn't waste my time.

maybe ... but the you are offering up a imaginary statistic of 50% and attempting to pass it off to intelligent folks as a psuedo fact though aren't you

I'm not stupid enough to think that 50% of the voters has one homogeneous opinion, so I wouldn't waste my time.

That better?

I think you'll find a lot more vitriol coming from the Leave side, their hatred of the EU, of EU citizens, or EU institutions, or the British public, of the UK parliament, of the UK legal system, of the UK Supreme Court, of our international allies who said it was a bad idea, of experts from the military, business, finance, economics, farming, science, academia etc.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

Both campaigns lied and span half truths.

The campaigns began coming up to 2 years ago, the decision over 1 year ago.

That is the situation we are now in, that the country as a whole decided upon.

In my opinion the vast majority of posts on here are just reasons the decision was wrong. Well you may as well post endlessly about why past general election results were wrong.

I think anyone with a true interest in politics and a will for the country's succesful future would be bursting with suggestions.

As mentioned before, those who voted leave did for for different reasons to each other. I will argue for the type of brexit that I think is right against someone who thinks a different type of brexit is right.

Saying the whole thing is shite and throwing the toys out achieves nothing. In my opinion.

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By *rumpyMcFuckNuggetMan
over a year ago

Den of Iniquity

Fuck it I give up

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By *rumpyMcFuckNuggetMan
over a year ago

Den of Iniquity

Both campaigns lied and span half truths.

The campaigns began coming up to 2 years ago, the decision over 1 year ago.

That is the situation we are now in, that the country as a whole decided upon.

In my opinion the vast majority of posts on here are just reasons the decision was wrong. Well you may as well post endlessly about why past general election results were wrong.

I think anyone with a true interest in politics and a will for the country's succesful future would be bursting with suggestions.

Saying the whole thing is shite and throwing the toys out achieves nothing. In my opinion."
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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

In here, or in general? Either way, nasty behaviour by one person doesn't make it ok as a norm.

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By *rumpyMcFuckNuggetMan
over a year ago

Den of Iniquity

In here, or in general? Either way, nasty behaviour by one person doesn't make it ok as a norm."
I think what myself and Bunandbuck are trying to say is that instead of just slagging off leave voters as people who apparently hate everything in existence , let's discuss suggestions on moving the country forward in a polite non vitriolic manner .Brexit is happening . So what do we think we should do now. Let's look forward not backwards

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"This is the bit many remainers get frustrated with. They see there are issues in leaving. From ireland to medicine to the economy. That, for some, if not many, is why they voted to remain. And now they are being told to come up with solutions to problems they warned leavers about.

Someone described it as being on a boat, and your mate pulls you off it and then demands you help swim them to shore as they can’t swim well. But refuse the suggestion of getting back on the boat. "

I'd suggest that is a reasonable analogy x

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"I think what myself and Bunandbuck are trying to say is that instead of just slagging off leave voters as people who apparently hate everything in existence , let's discuss suggestions on moving the country forward in a polite non vitriolic manner .Brexit is happening . So what do we think we should do now. Let's look forward not backwards

That' exactly what I'm saying.

It would be nice for someone herw ro say, for example 'my bigget concern about brexit is the potential shortage of skilled nurses, I think we should introduce a visa scheme specifically for that' etc etc Then people can discuss them and if and how to implent such things.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

Someone described it as being on a boat, and your mate pulls you off it and then demands you help swim them to shore as they can’t swim well. But refuse the suggestion of getting back on the boat.

I'd suggest that is a reasonable analogy x"

So, let's say you are all now adrift in the boat. As an intelligent passenger do you sit and sulk about the situation you find yourself in, doing nothing but berate the others. Or do you use your skill, experience and intellect to guide the boat to the best possible outcome for everyone in it?

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

In here, or in general? Either way, nasty behaviour by one person doesn't make it ok as a norm. I think what myself and Bunandbuck are trying to say is that instead of just slagging off leave voters as people who apparently hate everything in existence , let's discuss suggestions on moving the country forward in a polite non vitriolic manner .Brexit is happening . So what do we think we should do now. Let's look forward not backwards

Actually calling me a whinger is slagging and not forward thinking or productive x

I'm in a fortunate position that I can watch with amusement as the future unfolds and I don't see why bullying from exist side should force me to be complicit with a direction I'm not comfortable promoting ?

It is for exit people to illustrate I'm wrong x

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over a year ago

Both campaigns lied and span half truths.

The campaigns began coming up to 2 years ago, the decision over 1 year ago.

That is the situation we are now in, that the country as a whole decided upon.

In my opinion the vast majority of posts on here are just reasons the decision was wrong. Well you may as well post endlessly about why past general election results were wrong.

I think anyone with a true interest in politics and a will for the country's succesful future would be bursting with suggestions.

Saying the whole thing is shite and throwing the toys out achieves nothing. In my opinion."

Could you then please explain what half truths were told on the leave sise ?

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

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over a year ago

Someone described it as being on a boat, and your mate pulls you off it and then demands you help swim them to shore as they can’t swim well. But refuse the suggestion of getting back on the boat.

I'd suggest that is a reasonable analogy x

But these were the so called leave examples given at the time of the vote and you have dismissed them as scaremongering and whinging....or have i missed something ?

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

Could you then please explain what half truths were told on the leave sise ?"

Leave : £350m for nhs.

Remain : £15bn tax hike in emergency budget, recession.

Both untrue. Both history. My point is what do you want next?

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

It is for exit people to illustrate I'm wrong x"

I don't think being asked for your ideas on how to shape the future is bullying. But you are free to participate or exclude yourself as you think best.

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By *rumpyMcFuckNuggetMan
over a year ago

Den of Iniquity

It is for exit people to illustrate I'm wrong x

I don't think being asked for your ideas on how to shape the future is bullying. But you are free to participate or exclude yourself as you think best."
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over a year ago

Could you then please explain what half truths were told on the leave sise ?

Leave : £350m for nhs.

Remain : £15bn tax hike in emergency budget, recession.

Both untrue. Both history. My point is what do you want next?"

Well the first one was wrong totally...the second has yet to be seen as we are bordering ohn recession.

Me i want the normal people the hard working or the poorest in our society not to get fucked over by this....but something inside says they will...we got a few hints from the budget

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

It is for exit people to illustrate I'm wrong x

I don't think being asked for your ideas on how to shape the future is bullying. But you are free to participate or exclude yourself as you think best."

I think you are intelligent enough to understand passive aggressive

Now now remainers don't be awkward now we are in a pickle you could always help out by agreeing with the direction we want , of course if you don't we will calmly suggest you are being awkward and counter productive xxx

Thing is I am very pro remain

We all know exit has no intention or desire in listening to let alone following any course of action I or any other pro remain would offer , what you as exist request is we quietly accept the exit direction . Although that's a misnomer as direction is singular and we all know there are a vast number of differing , sometimes contrary exit directions x

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

It is for exit people to illustrate I'm wrong x

I don't think being asked for your ideas on how to shape the future is bullying. But you are free to participate or exclude yourself as you think best. ^

Lol

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

Someone described it as being on a boat, and your mate pulls you off it and then demands you help swim them to shore as they can’t swim well. But refuse the suggestion of getting back on the boat.

I'd suggest that is a reasonable analogy x

Of course that depends who the skipper is and what control I have and my options

Of course based upon my predicament it is likely that the majority on board will argue with me belittle my ideas and totally ignore my skill and experience thus not wanting to become another tragic sunken ship statistic , I would have already made contingency plans that myself and any other could leave the drifting boat , into my sailing boat which would have made sure it's provisions were well stocked and a good course made with a crew of shipmates who would be happy to follow my direction and lead xxx

Oh just as I am doing

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By *ilent.KnightMan
over a year ago

Swindon

Someone described it as being on a boat, and your mate pulls you off it and then demands you help swim them to shore as they can’t swim well. But refuse the suggestion of getting back on the boat.

I'd suggest that is a reasonable analogy x

Now I don’t disagree IF we cannot reverse out the situation leavers would be cutting off their nose to just continue with vitriol. But if we are to all pull together then we need to also accept the challenges are of our own making. The “we won ergo I was right” attitude is as unhelpful as the “you’re racist idiots”.

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin

So when the UK had decided to join the EU it was perfectly ok for people to complain and try to convincr others to leave ehich resulted in Brexit. But now Remainers cant do the same?

The best option for Britains future is to stop Brexit. This is still an option whether people like it or not. The second best option is EEA membership.

Basically the less involved with the EU the UK becomes the worse off they'll be.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

Someone described it as being on a boat, and your mate pulls you off it and then demands you help swim them to shore as they can’t swim well. But refuse the suggestion of getting back on the boat.

I'd suggest that is a reasonable analogy x

The situation is of 'our' making. Not participating in the discussion seems akin to the opposition refusing to sit in Parliament. In any situation, I try to steer things to include as many aspects I think are important. Nobody is going to get an outcome that matches all their goals.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

Someone described it as being on a boat, and your mate pulls you off it and then demands you help swim them to shore as they can’t swim well. But refuse the suggestion of getting back on the boat.

I'd suggest that is a reasonable analogy x

Quite candidly that sounds like a fantastic reason and argument to stay in the Eu

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By *ilent.KnightMan
over a year ago

Swindon

I don’t follow. The opposition critique the government and hold them to account. It is not their role to say, okay the public voted you guys in, do what you want. Or you want to dismantle the NHS, I disagree, but let me help you deal with all the people who can’t afford to go to the doctors. At least not until the NHS is destroyed. Their first position will be to fight against the position.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"I don’t follow. The opposition critique the government and hold them to account. It is not their role to say, okay the public voted you guys in, do what you want. Or you want to dismantle the NHS, I disagree, but let me help you deal with all the people who can’t afford to go to the doctors. At least not until the NHS is destroyed. Their first position will be to fight against the position. "

But we are mid way through leaving. There was also a gm where an anti-leave party could have built enough support to stop it. But that didn't happen.

We are now in the negotaiation phase. So, in my way of thinking people should be pushing for the aspects they value most to be retained.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

But we are mid way through leaving. There was also a gm where an anti-leave party could have built enough support to stop it. But that didn't happen.

We are now in the negotaiation phase. So, in my way of thinking people should be pushing for the aspects they value most to be retained."

Seriously you're not making sense ?

I am pushing hard for what I want which is to pay 350 million a week and have a say in the rules and guide lines that will govern the products and services I will receive and produce in a tariff free trade with the rest of Europe

I'm pushing very very hard for the ecj to be part of my judicial system

What sorry you disagree ? What sorry you mean I can only push hard for things you agree with ?

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By *ilent.KnightMan
over a year ago

Swindon

But we are mid way through leaving. There was also a gm where an anti-leave party could have built enough support to stop it. But that didn't happen.

We are now in the negotaiation phase. So, in my way of thinking people should be pushing for the aspects they value most to be retained."

Unfortunately the GM isn’t a single issue vote.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why did they spend months putting bids together when theyve known they'll be out of the EU by then for over a year?

The following cities have two things in common. Given the context of the post, can you think what they are?

Reykjavik, Stavanger and Istanbul."
Is Turkey not in Asia ?

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

But we are mid way through leaving. There was also a gm where an anti-leave party could have built enough support to stop it. But that didn't happen.

We are now in the negotaiation phase. So, in my way of thinking people should be pushing for the aspects they value most to be retained."

Or perhaps

Rather than the exit side arrogantly repeating

Majority rules our 52 trounces your 48 so shut up and suffer what we do we have no interest in pacifying almost 30 million people

Perhaps it would be pragmatic to acknowledge that remain was a significant minority and rather than as I suggested bullying , or as you put it politely suggesting that not complying is betrayal and not productive to the EXIT cause and for exit to work we need remain to bolster our position , even though remain told exit that it would not happen that way .

So rather than bully remain to feel guilty that they don't support the exit process perhaps exit need to back down a little , give a little not tell the Eu they can fuck them selves , sorry I meant whistle . I'd love to say I could help or offer pragmatic solutions to ease the cluster fuck mess but I can't so my only other option is to baton down the hatches , protect my friends and family , and reap great amusement as the exit unfolds into a total farce

Xxx

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