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"just not in the way that you would think.... step forward my new favourite journalist/host... shep smith! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnsAZzsdI1U" Not exactly what you might expect from Fox News - Real journalism ! | |||
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"you don't mean to say breitbart, in collusion with Don Juan and his team, are complete and utter liars do you? wow! who knew? "don't tell Centaur..  | |||
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"you don't mean to say breitbart, in collusion with Don Juan and his team, are complete and utter liars do you? wow! who knew?
don't tell Centaur.."No please tell him  | |||
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It seems were only meant to trust and call journalism "real" if it's reporting shit we "like".
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"Wait one minute.... So for years you've been saying you can't trust anything shown on fox news but now... Low and behold it's "real journalism"!! .
It seems were only meant to trust and call journalism "real" if it's reporting shit we "like".
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"Wait one minute.... So for years you've been saying you can't trust anything shown on fox news but now... Low and behold it's "real journalism"!! .
It seems were only meant to trust and call journalism "real" if it's reporting shit we "like".
"obviously shep was taken round the back and shot after this broadcast..... he will be "retrained" and be back on monday!!!!
seriously though i feel for Shep Smith and Chris wallace for wanting to make Fox News credible.... and they are the two on-air people who make it very aware that the fox news division and the fox opinion talking heads are two different deptartments...... and you can tell those two get pissed off a lot and being tied to the likes of hannity, o'reilly, tucker carlson ect
for the amount of money fox have to pay shep smith and chris wallace to stay (a LOT!) they can try and fight the good fight from there!!!! | |||
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"Wait one minute.... So for years you've been saying you can't trust anything shown on fox news but now... Low and behold it's "real journalism"!! .
It seems were only meant to trust and call journalism "real" if it's reporting shit we "like".
"Fox went to court to argue that it was entertainment not news, so they can say whatever they want. | |||
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"I actually think the takeaway from this is..... Politics and politicians look after and side with politics and politicians. I dunno maybe the republicans who've lowered taxs for the rich upped taxs for the poor, cut health care and illegally invaded countries and killed hundreds of thousands have suddenly and overwhelmingly got a conscience about having trump as a president?. I can't think of a single senior republican who's stuck up for him despite having done nothing that they didn't do (I personally think he's done less than Bush). . The two party pat each other on the back system which both parties like as they meander back and forth in power is really what's at stake (not really much difference between Tories and labour).. Hence why the republicans and the democrats are rallying around and we can't have the democrats looking like there just as bad right now for that little Circus to succeed and so we get this media frenzy into trumps goings on while not really looking to deep unless there forced to at anybody else's misdemeanors" Both sides are as bad as each other? Yeah, right | |||
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"I actually think the takeaway from this is..... Politics and politicians look after and side with politics and politicians. I dunno maybe the republicans who've lowered taxs for the rich upped taxs for the poor, cut health care and illegally invaded countries and killed hundreds of thousands have suddenly and overwhelmingly got a conscience about having trump as a president?. I can't think of a single senior republican who's stuck up for him despite having done nothing that they didn't do (I personally think he's done less than Bush). . The two party pat each other on the back system which both parties like as they meander back and forth in power is really what's at stake (not really much difference between Tories and labour).. Hence why the republicans and the democrats are rallying around and we can't have the democrats looking like there just as bad right now for that little Circus to succeed and so we get this media frenzy into trumps goings on while not really looking to deep unless there forced to at anybody else's misdemeanors Both sides are as bad as each other? Yeah, right" . Neither side is actually doing anything for the ordinary working person. Republicans are great at sucking up to billionaires and the democrats great at sucking upto corporations.... Between them that leaves everybody else screwed | |||
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"The beauty of loftily declaring "both sides are rubbish" is it allows you to sit impotently on the sidelines, with an unearned sense of superiority to keep you company." We ARE talking about two sides of USA policy here aren’t we? So the sidelines is exactly where we sit. Distant observers as we have no vote or influence. | |||
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"The beauty of loftily declaring "both sides are rubbish" is it allows you to sit impotently on the sidelines, with an unearned sense of superiority to keep you company." . Not really, I've always advocated abstention. Taking part in it gives it a form of credence instead of showing it up as the facade it is | |||
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"The beauty of loftily declaring "both sides are rubbish" is it allows you to sit impotently on the sidelines, with an unearned sense of superiority to keep you company. We ARE talking about two sides of USA policy here aren’t we? So the sidelines is exactly where we sit. Distant observers as we have no vote or influence." Speak for yourself. U.S. citizen here. The "both sides" fallacy is not unique to American politics. It encourages apathy and reduce voter turnout which is bad for democracy. | |||
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"The beauty of loftily declaring "both sides are rubbish" is it allows you to sit impotently on the sidelines, with an unearned sense of superiority to keep you company.. Not really, I've always advocated abstention. Taking part in it gives it a form of credence instead of showing it up as the facade it is "Abstention is no different to what I described. It's also a tacit endorsement of the status quo, which really tends to stick in the craw of people who think that abstaining is a good idea. | |||
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"The beauty of loftily declaring "both sides are rubbish" is it allows you to sit impotently on the sidelines, with an unearned sense of superiority to keep you company.. Not really, I've always advocated abstention. Taking part in it gives it a form of credence instead of showing it up as the facade it is
Abstention is no different to what I described.
It's also a tacit endorsement of the status quo, which really tends to stick in the craw of people who think that abstaining is a good idea. ". If you think you can make a difference go right ahead!. It's a free country | |||
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"The beauty of loftily declaring "both sides are rubbish" is it allows you to sit impotently on the sidelines, with an unearned sense of superiority to keep you company.. Not really, I've always advocated abstention. Taking part in it gives it a form of credence instead of showing it up as the facade it is
Abstention is no different to what I described.
It's also a tacit endorsement of the status quo, which really tends to stick in the craw of people who think that abstaining is a good idea. .
If you think you can make a difference go right ahead!.
It's a free country "If you really think you can't make any difference why even bother posting on a forum? | |||
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"The beauty of loftily declaring "both sides are rubbish" is it allows you to sit impotently on the sidelines, with an unearned sense of superiority to keep you company.. Not really, I've always advocated abstention. Taking part in it gives it a form of credence instead of showing it up as the facade it is
Abstention is no different to what I described.
It's also a tacit endorsement of the status quo, which really tends to stick in the craw of people who think that abstaining is a good idea. .
If you think you can make a difference go right ahead!.
It's a free country "Not to belabour a point, but the current self inflicted gunshot wound that the UK is hell bent on giving itself is only happening because people reckoned that they could make a difference, and chose to vote. And that only happened because enough people decided to vote for the "I'm not racist, but.." Party rather than sit on their hands and do nothing, which forced the issue. | |||
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"The beauty of loftily declaring "both sides are rubbish" is it allows you to sit impotently on the sidelines, with an unearned sense of superiority to keep you company.. Not really, I've always advocated abstention. Taking part in it gives it a form of credence instead of showing it up as the facade it is
Abstention is no different to what I described.
It's also a tacit endorsement of the status quo, which really tends to stick in the craw of people who think that abstaining is a good idea. .
If you think you can make a difference go right ahead!.
It's a free country
If you really think you can't make any difference why even bother posting on a forum?". Changing people's mindset on belief in politics?. Why bother indeed, my own boredom probably | |||
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"The beauty of loftily declaring "both sides are rubbish" is it allows you to sit impotently on the sidelines, with an unearned sense of superiority to keep you company.. Not really, I've always advocated abstention. Taking part in it gives it a form of credence instead of showing it up as the facade it is
Abstention is no different to what I described.
It's also a tacit endorsement of the status quo, which really tends to stick in the craw of people who think that abstaining is a good idea. .
If you think you can make a difference go right ahead!.
It's a free country
Not to belabour a point, but the current self inflicted gunshot wound that the UK is hell bent on giving itself is only happening because people reckoned that they could make a difference, and chose to vote.
And that only happened because enough people decided to vote for the "I'm not racist, but.." Party rather than sit on their hands and do nothing, which forced the issue.". Well I don't abdicate taking part in the facade so that wouldn't be me!. | |||
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"The beauty of loftily declaring "both sides are rubbish" is it allows you to sit impotently on the sidelines, with an unearned sense of superiority to keep you company.. Not really, I've always advocated abstention. Taking part in it gives it a form of credence instead of showing it up as the facade it is
Abstention is no different to what I described.
It's also a tacit endorsement of the status quo, which really tends to stick in the craw of people who think that abstaining is a good idea. .
If you think you can make a difference go right ahead!.
It's a free country
Not to belabour a point, but the current self inflicted gunshot wound that the UK is hell bent on giving itself is only happening because people reckoned that they could make a difference, and chose to vote.
And that only happened because enough people decided to vote for the "I'm not racist, but.." Party rather than sit on their hands and do nothing, which forced the issue..
Well I don't abdicate taking part in the facade so that wouldn't be me!.
"Well, yes, I rather assume you wouldn't advocate for taking part, it would be a very abrupt about face. But when the post you're replying to lays out why this idea of "you can't change anything" is demonstratively wrong, I don't see the relevance of your reply. | |||
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" Changing people's mindset on belief in politics?." Can you raise your game then please? | |||
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"The beauty of loftily declaring "both sides are rubbish" is it allows you to sit impotently on the sidelines, with an unearned sense of superiority to keep you company.. Not really, I've always advocated abstention. Taking part in it gives it a form of credence instead of showing it up as the facade it is
Abstention is no different to what I described.
It's also a tacit endorsement of the status quo, which really tends to stick in the craw of people who think that abstaining is a good idea. .
If you think you can make a difference go right ahead!.
It's a free country
Not to belabour a point, but the current self inflicted gunshot wound that the UK is hell bent on giving itself is only happening because people reckoned that they could make a difference, and chose to vote.
And that only happened because enough people decided to vote for the "I'm not racist, but.." Party rather than sit on their hands and do nothing, which forced the issue..
Well I don't abdicate taking part in the facade so that wouldn't be me!.
Well, yes, I rather assume you wouldn't advocate for taking part, it would be a very abrupt about face.
But when the post you're replying to lays out why this idea of "you can't change anything" is demonstratively wrong, I don't see the relevance of your reply. ". Coz it's a load of shit. The democrats have been in power for like 16 years since 1990, they've signed cafta, nafta, Pro ttip, Pro big corporate, the jail's have got fuller, the prospects worse, they've done nothing to little about climate change... Fuck me the oils already leaking all over Dakota, there Pro fracking, people's water is actually killing them in Wisconsin, they've invaded countries and kept up foreign wars and not done anything about gun sales, or single payer health care, fucking hell even all these BLM cop killings have happend under a black democratic president... And there the best fucking choice the Americans have!!!. Hallelujah, is it really fucking worth voting for that?, how much fucking worse could not voting make it. I'll vote and I'll encourage others to vote when they offer some REAL CHANGE.... Till then I'll recommend civil disobedience and fuck voting. | |||
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" Changing people's mindset on belief in politics?. Can you raise your game then please?" . Meh  | |||
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"The beauty of loftily declaring "both sides are rubbish" is it allows you to sit impotently on the sidelines, with an unearned sense of superiority to keep you company.. Not really, I've always advocated abstention. Taking part in it gives it a form of credence instead of showing it up as the facade it is
Abstention is no different to what I described.
It's also a tacit endorsement of the status quo, which really tends to stick in the craw of people who think that abstaining is a good idea. .
If you think you can make a difference go right ahead!.
It's a free country
If you really think you can't make any difference why even bother posting on a forum?"Because he is a troll. | |||
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"just not in the way that you would think.... step forward my new favourite journalist/host... shep smith! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnsAZzsdI1U" Intersting story OP. Blows the allegations out of the water really. Listening to Trump, you would have thought Clinton exported uranium to Russia. | |||
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"The beauty of loftily declaring "both sides are rubbish" is it allows you to sit impotently on the sidelines, with an unearned sense of superiority to keep you company.. Not really, I've always advocated abstention. Taking part in it gives it a form of credence instead of showing it up as the facade it is
Abstention is no different to what I described.
It's also a tacit endorsement of the status quo, which really tends to stick in the craw of people who think that abstaining is a good idea. .
If you think you can make a difference go right ahead!.
It's a free country
If you really think you can't make any difference why even bother posting on a forum?
Because he is a troll. ". Are you sure I'm not a Russian troll bot | |||
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"just not in the way that you would think.... step forward my new favourite journalist/host... shep smith! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnsAZzsdI1U Intersting story OP. Blows the allegations out of the water really. Listening to Trump, you would have thought Clinton exported uranium to Russia." .. No it was just North Korea, Russia has its own uranium | |||
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"The beauty of loftily declaring "both sides are rubbish" is it allows you to sit impotently on the sidelines, with an unearned sense of superiority to keep you company.. Not really, I've always advocated abstention. Taking part in it gives it a form of credence instead of showing it up as the facade it is
Abstention is no different to what I described.
It's also a tacit endorsement of the status quo, which really tends to stick in the craw of people who think that abstaining is a good idea. .
If you think you can make a difference go right ahead!.
It's a free country
Not to belabour a point, but the current self inflicted gunshot wound that the UK is hell bent on giving itself is only happening because people reckoned that they could make a difference, and chose to vote.
And that only happened because enough people decided to vote for the "I'm not racist, but.." Party rather than sit on their hands and do nothing, which forced the issue..
Well I don't abdicate taking part in the facade so that wouldn't be me!.
Well, yes, I rather assume you wouldn't advocate for taking part, it would be a very abrupt about face.
But when the post you're replying to lays out why this idea of "you can't change anything" is demonstratively wrong, I don't see the relevance of your reply. .
Coz it's a load of shit.
The democrats have been in power for like 16 years since 1990, they've signed cafta, nafta, Pro ttip, Pro big corporate, the jail's have got fuller, the prospects worse, they've done nothing to little about climate change... Fuck me the oils already leaking all over Dakota, there Pro fracking, people's water is actually killing them in Wisconsin, they've invaded countries and kept up foreign wars and not done anything about gun sales, or single payer health care, fucking hell even all these BLM cop killings have happend under a black democratic president... And there the best fucking choice the Americans have!!!.
Hallelujah, is it really fucking worth voting for that?, how much fucking worse could not voting make it.
I'll vote and I'll encourage others to vote when they offer some REAL CHANGE.... Till then I'll recommend civil disobedience and fuck voting.
"A long list of problems with the US doesn't really mean much. All you've basically told us all that because bad things happen you can't be bothered doing anything. And all that is is a tacit approval of the current system that you have such poorly defined problems with. And not voting isn't civil disobedience, it's self marginalisation. When it comes to political representation, people who don't vote, don't matter. | |||
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"The beauty of loftily declaring "both sides are rubbish" is it allows you to sit impotently on the sidelines, with an unearned sense of superiority to keep you company.. Not really, I've always advocated abstention. Taking part in it gives it a form of credence instead of showing it up as the facade it is
Abstention is no different to what I described.
It's also a tacit endorsement of the status quo, which really tends to stick in the craw of people who think that abstaining is a good idea. .
If you think you can make a difference go right ahead!.
It's a free country
Not to belabour a point, but the current self inflicted gunshot wound that the UK is hell bent on giving itself is only happening because people reckoned that they could make a difference, and chose to vote.
And that only happened because enough people decided to vote for the "I'm not racist, but.." Party rather than sit on their hands and do nothing, which forced the issue..
Well I don't abdicate taking part in the facade so that wouldn't be me!.
Well, yes, I rather assume you wouldn't advocate for taking part, it would be a very abrupt about face.
But when the post you're replying to lays out why this idea of "you can't change anything" is demonstratively wrong, I don't see the relevance of your reply. .
Coz it's a load of shit.
The democrats have been in power for like 16 years since 1990, they've signed cafta, nafta, Pro ttip, Pro big corporate, the jail's have got fuller, the prospects worse, they've done nothing to little about climate change... Fuck me the oils already leaking all over Dakota, there Pro fracking, people's water is actually killing them in Wisconsin, they've invaded countries and kept up foreign wars and not done anything about gun sales, or single payer health care, fucking hell even all these BLM cop killings have happend under a black democratic president... And there the best fucking choice the Americans have!!!.
Hallelujah, is it really fucking worth voting for that?, how much fucking worse could not voting make it.
I'll vote and I'll encourage others to vote when they offer some REAL CHANGE.... Till then I'll recommend civil disobedience and fuck voting.
"So called 'real change' seldom actually brings the real change the people who thing they want it want. The only real change so called 'real change' normally brings is in the people in charge and the people being exploited. BREXIT is a case in point:- Instead of having to abide by a set of rules that we have some say in making when it comes to trading in Europe we'll now have to abide by a set of rules made exclusively by other people: Instead of being bond by the rulings of a court of arbitration that has British Judges sitting on it (the ECJ) we'll now have to be bound by the rulings of some other court of binding arbitration which may or may not be the ECJ and may or may not have British Judges sitting on it: Instead of having moderately cheap labour from Europe we'll now have really cheap labour from India, Africa and South America. Basically this last attempt at 'real change' is only changing those at the top and those at the bottom with the only real change for most of us being even less control over who those people are. So, when you talk about 'real change' what is it exactly that you want to really change, how to you propose to really make this 'real change' and, if it's anything like the 'real change' that BREXIT was meant to be, how is it going to make any real change for the better for anyone? | |||
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"The beauty of loftily declaring "both sides are rubbish" is it allows you to sit impotently on the sidelines, with an unearned sense of superiority to keep you company.. Not really, I've always advocated abstention. Taking part in it gives it a form of credence instead of showing it up as the facade it is
Abstention is no different to what I described.
It's also a tacit endorsement of the status quo, which really tends to stick in the craw of people who think that abstaining is a good idea. .
If you think you can make a difference go right ahead!.
It's a free country
Not to belabour a point, but the current self inflicted gunshot wound that the UK is hell bent on giving itself is only happening because people reckoned that they could make a difference, and chose to vote.
And that only happened because enough people decided to vote for the "I'm not racist, but.." Party rather than sit on their hands and do nothing, which forced the issue..
Well I don't abdicate taking part in the facade so that wouldn't be me!.
Well, yes, I rather assume you wouldn't advocate for taking part, it would be a very abrupt about face.
But when the post you're replying to lays out why this idea of "you can't change anything" is demonstratively wrong, I don't see the relevance of your reply. .
Coz it's a load of shit.
The democrats have been in power for like 16 years since 1990, they've signed cafta, nafta, Pro ttip, Pro big corporate, the jail's have got fuller, the prospects worse, they've done nothing to little about climate change... Fuck me the oils already leaking all over Dakota, there Pro fracking, people's water is actually killing them in Wisconsin, they've invaded countries and kept up foreign wars and not done anything about gun sales, or single payer health care, fucking hell even all these BLM cop killings have happend under a black democratic president... And there the best fucking choice the Americans have!!!.
Hallelujah, is it really fucking worth voting for that?, how much fucking worse could not voting make it.
I'll vote and I'll encourage others to vote when they offer some REAL CHANGE.... Till then I'll recommend civil disobedience and fuck voting.
So called 'real change' seldom actually brings the real change the people who thing they want it want. The only real change so called 'real change' normally brings is in the people in charge and the people being exploited. BREXIT is a case in point:- Instead of having to abide by a set of rules that we have some say in making when it comes to trading in Europe we'll now have to abide by a set of rules made exclusively by other people: Instead of being bond by the rulings of a court of arbitration that has British Judges sitting on it (the ECJ) we'll now have to be bound by the rulings of some other court of binding arbitration which may or may not be the ECJ and may or may not have British Judges sitting on it: Instead of having moderately cheap labour from Europe we'll now have really cheap labour from India, Africa and South America. Basically this last attempt at 'real change' is only changing those at the top and those at the bottom with the only real change for most of us being even less control over who those people are.
So, when you talk about 'real change' what is it exactly that you want to really change, how to you propose to really make this 'real change' and, if it's anything like the 'real change' that BREXIT was meant to be, how is it going to make any real change for the better for anyone?". I didn't vote for it,I didn't encourage others to vote for it either .
Brexit smexit I'm sick of hearing middle class had it good moaners moaning about it, so you've got the "change" everyday else has had for 40 years, suck it up buttercup and get with the system  | |||
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