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Suicide Of Welsh MP

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By *ercury OP   Man
over a year ago

Grantham

Carl Sargent, prominent Labour Politician in the Welsh Assembly, has committed suicide, following his suspension last week over allegations.

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By *ercury OP   Man
over a year ago

Grantham

Just to clarify, Carl Sargeant was an AM and not an MP.

Shocking news nevertheless.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He obviously knew that he was going to be hounded by the press dates through the dirt regardless of just how serious the accusations were.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Sad when anyone takes their own life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Trial by press is never a good thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Apparently he wasn't even aware of what the allegations were, not even when he died. Sacked, humiliated and splattered all over the press. All without ever being given the chance to defend himself. I am so sad for him and his family. So much for innocent until proven guilty.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Apparently he wasn't even aware of what the allegations were, not even when he died. Sacked, humiliated and splattered all over the press. All without ever being given the chance to defend himself. I am so sad for him and his family. So much for innocent until proven guilty. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Apparently he wasn't even aware of what the allegations were, not even when he died. Sacked, humiliated and splattered all over the press. All without ever being given the chance to defend himself. I am so sad for him and his family. So much for innocent until proven guilty. "

True, same could be said for Jimmy Savile though

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"Apparently he wasn't even aware of what the allegations were, not even when he died. Sacked, humiliated and splattered all over the press. All without ever being given the chance to defend himself. I am so sad for him and his family. So much for innocent until proven guilty. "

True, but innocent until proven guilty is for 3rd parties. He would know what he had or hadn't done.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I reckon people should think twice when posting incase it turns this into 'trial by fab'

Everyone likes gossip but not through something like this

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


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I reckon people should think twice when posting incase it turns this into 'trial by fab'

Everyone likes gossip but not through something like this "

No one has accused him of anything.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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I reckon people should think twice when posting incase it turns this into 'trial by fab'

Everyone likes gossip but not through something like this

No one has accused him of anything. "

Not saying anyone has, just thought I'd day before anyone did.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I reckon people should think twice when posting incase it turns this into 'trial by fab'

Everyone likes gossip but not through something like this

No one has accused him of anything. "

No one has, just thought id mention BEFORE anyone MIGHT stray into unsavory tertitory. . Its not a command or anything, just sayin.. Tell me to shut up if you like

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Apparently he wasn't even aware of what the allegations were, not even when he died. Sacked, humiliated and splattered all over the press. All without ever being given the chance to defend himself. I am so sad for him and his family. So much for innocent until proven guilty.

True, but innocent until proven guilty is for 3rd parties. He would know what he had or hadn't done. "

I don't follow what you mean by that.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"Apparently he wasn't even aware of what the allegations were, not even when he died. Sacked, humiliated and splattered all over the press. All without ever being given the chance to defend himself. I am so sad for him and his family. So much for innocent until proven guilty.

True, but innocent until proven guilty is for 3rd parties. He would know what he had or hadn't done.

I don't follow what you mean by that."

If person A is accused of doing something to person B, the general public XYZ, have to assume that A is innocent of the alleged offence until A is found guilty in a court of law. However, A will know if they did something or not. Person A doesn't need to wait for the conclusion of the trial to know if they did it or not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Apparently he wasn't even aware of what the allegations were, not even when he died. Sacked, humiliated and splattered all over the press. All without ever being given the chance to defend himself. I am so sad for him and his family. So much for innocent until proven guilty.

True, but innocent until proven guilty is for 3rd parties. He would know what he had or hadn't done.

I don't follow what you mean by that.

If person A is accused of doing something to person B, the general public XYZ, have to assume that A is innocent of the alleged offence until A is found guilty in a court of law. However, A will know if they did something or not. Person A doesn't need to wait for the conclusion of the trial to know if they did it or not."

Person A might not make it to a court of law if they feel the entire world already sees them as guilty. Whether they are or not. Removing ghe man from his position, effectively sacking him and having it splashed all over the press does not sound like 'general public xyz' having to assume he is innocent until found guilty in a court of law

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"Apparently he wasn't even aware of what the allegations were, not even when he died. Sacked, humiliated and splattered all over the press. All without ever being given the chance to defend himself. I am so sad for him and his family. So much for innocent until proven guilty.

True, but innocent until proven guilty is for 3rd parties. He would know what he had or hadn't done.

I don't follow what you mean by that.

If person A is accused of doing something to person B, the general public XYZ, have to assume that A is innocent of the alleged offence until A is found guilty in a court of law. However, A will know if they did something or not. Person A doesn't need to wait for the conclusion of the trial to know if they did it or not.

Person A might not make it to a court of law if they feel the entire world already sees them as guilty. Whether they are or not. Removing ghe man from his position, effectively sacking him and having it splashed all over the press does not sound like 'general public xyz' having to assume he is innocent until found guilty in a court of law"

True, but that still doesn't change my original point that person A knows what they did and didn't do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Apparently he wasn't even aware of what the allegations were, not even when he died. Sacked, humiliated and splattered all over the press. All without ever being given the chance to defend himself. I am so sad for him and his family. So much for innocent until proven guilty.

True, but innocent until proven guilty is for 3rd parties. He would know what he had or hadn't done.

I don't follow what you mean by that.

If person A is accused of doing something to person B, the general public XYZ, have to assume that A is innocent of the alleged offence until A is found guilty in a court of law. However, A will know if they did something or not. Person A doesn't need to wait for the conclusion of the trial to know if they did it or not.

Person A might not make it to a court of law if they feel the entire world already sees them as guilty. Whether they are or not. Removing ghe man from his position, effectively sacking him and having it splashed all over the press does not sound like 'general public xyz' having to assume he is innocent until found guilty in a court of law

True, but that still doesn't change my original point that person A knows what they did and didn't do. "

Yes, but someone may feel a conclusion has been reached (rigbtly or wrongly) by others if theyve been sacked rather than suspended, and feel theyve been judged and sentenced by bosses and the press etc. People rarely think straight or act rationslly when upset or angry

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just to clarify A knows what happened but They may feel they wont be beleived, called a liar etc

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