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"According to the FT, farmers can't attract enough workers to the UK due to collapse in pound, so fruit is being left to rot in fields. "According to some opinion on here, there'll soon by thousands of bankers looking for work. Just a thought  | |||
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"According to the FT, farmers can't attract enough workers to the UK due to collapse in pound, so fruit is being left to rot in fields. "They should use the prison population paying them of course.  | |||
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"According to the FT, farmers can't attract enough workers to the UK due to collapse in pound, so fruit is being left to rot in fields. "The UK doesnt grow enough food here the price will sky rocket. | |||
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"According to the FT, farmers can't attract enough workers to the UK due to collapse in pound, so fruit is being left to rot in fields.
They should use the prison population paying them of course. "Not enough prison officers to supervise them | |||
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what the hell!! Is there no way we can FORCE these people to stay and be treated like slaves?! | |||
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"According to the FT, farmers can't attract enough workers to the UK due to collapse in pound, so fruit is being left to rot in fields.
They should use the prison population paying them of course.
Not enough prison officers to supervise them "Shame.I worked on farms fruit picking in oz with prisoners in my youth. | |||
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"According to the FT, farmers can't attract enough workers to the UK due to collapse in pound, so fruit is being left to rot in fields.
They should use the prison population paying them of course.
Not enough prison officers to supervise them
Shame.I worked on farms fruit picking in oz with prisoners in my youth."Come on mate! They're not prisoners anymore!  | |||
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"According to the FT, farmers can't attract enough workers to the UK due to collapse in pound, so fruit is being left to rot in fields.
They should use the prison population paying them of course.
Not enough prison officers to supervise them
Shame.I worked on farms fruit picking in oz with prisoners in my youth.
Come on mate! They're not prisoners anymore! " | |||
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"According to the FT, farmers can't attract enough workers to the UK due to collapse in pound, so fruit is being left to rot in fields.
They should use the prison population paying them of course.
Not enough prison officers to supervise them
Shame.I worked on farms fruit picking in oz with prisoners in my youth.
Come on mate! They're not prisoners anymore! " | |||
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs "You say it like it's a bad thing! | |||
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs
You say it like it's a bad thing! ". Depends if your one of them | |||
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs
You say it like it's a bad thing! "Let them get some fresh air i say | |||
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs
You say it like it's a bad thing! .
Depends if your one of them"Best thing for them, get them out of the bookies. | |||
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs
You say it like it's a bad thing! .
Depends if your one of them
Best thing for them, get them out of the bookies.". When the fun stops, stop.... And pick some potatoes instead | |||
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs
You say it like it's a bad thing! .
Depends if your one of them
Best thing for them, get them out of the bookies."just imagine how healthy our population going to be...its a win win all around | |||
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"Brexitors can take the jobs lol." I think that was the point.... As has been said before Brexit wasn't voted through by the wealthy, there isn't enough of them. It was voted through by blue collar workers who saw there salary stagnate because foreign labour was cheaper. | |||
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"Could always try young ppl from the north east they never get a look in " Bollocks. | |||
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs "Also said as if it's not happening now  | |||
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"Money will be spent on technology not staff. A few new jobs will be created for those who operate and service them. Large numbers of we'll paid or even poorly paid jobs will not appear. Productivity will go up but not employment. The simple cause and effect message of immigrants force wages down will not turn out to be true. Who gets the blame next?" If you have a time machine i want you to know it's rude not to share. | |||
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"Money will be spent on technology not staff. A few new jobs will be created for those who operate and service them. Large numbers of we'll paid or even poorly paid jobs will not appear. Productivity will go up but not employment. The simple cause and effect message of immigrants force wages down will not turn out to be true. Who gets the blame next? If you have a time machine i want you to know it's rude not to share. " One of your Brexit supporting friends on another friends was saying that he was seeing no downside to the process so far because he was getting so much work replacing immigrant jobs with technology. Of course, he also denied that prices were going up and holidays were more expensive
The time machine comment was very constructive though and an excellent logical argument against what I wrote  | |||
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"Money will be spent on technology not staff. A few new jobs will be created for those who operate and service them. Large numbers of we'll paid or even poorly paid jobs will not appear. Productivity will go up but not employment. The simple cause and effect message of immigrants force wages down will not turn out to be true. Who gets the blame next? If you have a time machine i want you to know it's rude not to share. One of your Brexit supporting friends on another friends was saying that he was seeing no downside to the process so far because he was getting so much work replacing immigrant jobs with technology. Of course, he also denied that prices were going up and holidays were more expensive
The time machine comment was very constructive though and an excellent logical argument against what I wrote "*another forum post | |||
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"Brexitors can take the jobs lol. I think that was the point.... As has been said before Brexit wasn't voted through by the wealthy, there isn't enough of them. It was voted through by blue collar workers who saw there salary stagnate because foreign labour was cheaper. " That is right it was too, brexit is economic suicide. | |||
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"Money will be spent on technology not staff. A few new jobs will be created for those who operate and service them. Large numbers of we'll paid or even poorly paid jobs will not appear. Productivity will go up but not employment. The simple cause and effect message of immigrants force wages down will not turn out to be true. Who gets the blame next? If you have a time machine i want you to know it's rude not to share. One of your Brexit supporting friends on another friends was saying that he was seeing no downside to the process so far because he was getting so much work replacing immigrant jobs with technology. Of course, he also denied that prices were going up and holidays were more expensive
The time machine comment was very constructive though and an excellent logical argument against what I wrote
*another forum post"If we don't all support Brexit, we're all fucked. Dry your tears and get on with it. | |||
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"Not only that, it turns out other industries that need immigrant workers, such as the NHS are also suffering. It seems that some of these people only came here for the money, not just to keep the wages down! Now that the economies of places such as Poland are doing rather well in comparison to 15 years ago, some of these bastards want to go back to their families! There is a danger now that people might have to be offered a fair wage in order to get brits back into nursing! what the hell!! Is there no way we can FORCE these people to stay and be treated like slaves?!"nice rant, but the NHS with regards to doctors and nurses is a different issue.... in that the reason why the UK is short is that the government cut the amount of places at training hospitals and they ended up not having enough places for all the people who wanted to do it..... | |||
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"Money will be spent on technology not staff. A few new jobs will be created for those who operate and service them. Large numbers of we'll paid or even poorly paid jobs will not appear. Productivity will go up but not employment. The simple cause and effect message of immigrants force wages down will not turn out to be true. Who gets the blame next? If you have a time machine i want you to know it's rude not to share. One of your Brexit supporting friends on another friends was saying that he was seeing no downside to the process so far because he was getting so much work replacing immigrant jobs with technology. Of course, he also denied that prices were going up and holidays were more expensive
The time machine comment was very constructive though and an excellent logical argument against what I wrote
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If we don't all support Brexit, we're all fucked. Dry your tears and get on with it."Again, spectacularly well argued. Kudos | |||
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"Not only that, it turns out other industries that need immigrant workers, such as the NHS are also suffering. It seems that some of these people only came here for the money, not just to keep the wages down! Now that the economies of places such as Poland are doing rather well in comparison to 15 years ago, some of these bastards want to go back to their families! There is a danger now that people might have to be offered a fair wage in order to get brits back into nursing! what the hell!! Is there no way we can FORCE these people to stay and be treated like slaves?!
nice rant, but the NHS with regards to doctors and nurses is a different issue.... in that the reason why the UK is short is that the government cut the amount of places at training hospitals and they ended up not having enough places for all the people who wanted to do it....."Why did they do that.... were they relying on immigrant workers? | |||
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"Money will be spent on technology not staff. A few new jobs will be created for those who operate and service them. Large numbers of we'll paid or even poorly paid jobs will not appear. Productivity will go up but not employment. The simple cause and effect message of immigrants force wages down will not turn out to be true. Who gets the blame next? If you have a time machine i want you to know it's rude not to share. One of your Brexit supporting friends on another friends was saying that he was seeing no downside to the process so far because he was getting so much work replacing immigrant jobs with technology. Of course, he also denied that prices were going up and holidays were more expensive
The time machine comment was very constructive though and an excellent logical argument against what I wrote
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If we don't all support Brexit, we're all fucked. Dry your tears and get on with it.
Again, spectacularly well argued. Kudos "I'm not going to argue with your imagination. | |||
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"Money will be spent on technology not staff. A few new jobs will be created for those who operate and service them. Large numbers of we'll paid or even poorly paid jobs will not appear. Productivity will go up but not employment. The simple cause and effect message of immigrants force wages down will not turn out to be true. Who gets the blame next? If you have a time machine i want you to know it's rude not to share. One of your Brexit supporting friends on another friends was saying that he was seeing no downside to the process so far because he was getting so much work replacing immigrant jobs with technology. Of course, he also denied that prices were going up and holidays were more expensive
The time machine comment was very constructive though and an excellent logical argument against what I wrote
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If we don't all support Brexit, we're all fucked. Dry your tears and get on with it.
Again, spectacularly well argued. Kudos
I'm not going to argue with your imagination."Your insight is awe inspiring. If there is no cheap labour available, why would British companies not do what French, German, Japanese, Korean, and American companies do? Increase productivity by investing in technology rather than unskilled labour? If you have an alternative option that makes sense then please share. If not you're just making noise  | |||
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"Not only that, it turns out other industries that need immigrant workers, such as the NHS are also suffering. It seems that some of these people only came here for the money, not just to keep the wages down! Now that the economies of places such as Poland are doing rather well in comparison to 15 years ago, some of these bastards want to go back to their families! There is a danger now that people might have to be offered a fair wage in order to get brits back into nursing! what the hell!! Is there no way we can FORCE these people to stay and be treated like slaves?!
nice rant, but the NHS with regards to doctors and nurses is a different issue.... in that the reason why the UK is short is that the government cut the amount of places at training hospitals and they ended up not having enough places for all the people who wanted to do it.....
Why did they do that.... were they relying on immigrant workers? "No. We do not have enough money as a country. We can't afford to fund what we do. Has that not registered? We don't have the money to train staff. We've been creaming off the investment that poorer countries have been making for years. We don't even have the money to fill the holes in the roads. That was before Brexit... | |||
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"Not only that, it turns out other industries that need immigrant workers, such as the NHS are also suffering. It seems that some of these people only came here for the money, not just to keep the wages down! Now that the economies of places such as Poland are doing rather well in comparison to 15 years ago, some of these bastards want to go back to their families! There is a danger now that people might have to be offered a fair wage in order to get brits back into nursing! what the hell!! Is there no way we can FORCE these people to stay and be treated like slaves?!
nice rant, but the NHS with regards to doctors and nurses is a different issue.... in that the reason why the UK is short is that the government cut the amount of places at training hospitals and they ended up not having enough places for all the people who wanted to do it....."This isn't true for student nurses. The bursary was ended this year (tuition fees, grant and means tested allowance) for new starters to "create more places at uni" (gov't stance) that weren't needed cos numbers are down from previous years. Ha! | |||
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"Not only that, it turns out other industries that need immigrant workers, such as the NHS are also suffering. It seems that some of these people only came here for the money, not just to keep the wages down! Now that the economies of places such as Poland are doing rather well in comparison to 15 years ago, some of these bastards want to go back to their families! There is a danger now that people might have to be offered a fair wage in order to get brits back into nursing! what the hell!! Is there no way we can FORCE these people to stay and be treated like slaves?!
nice rant, but the NHS with regards to doctors and nurses is a different issue.... in that the reason why the UK is short is that the government cut the amount of places at training hospitals and they ended up not having enough places for all the people who wanted to do it.....
This isn't true for student nurses. The bursary was ended this year (tuition fees, grant and means tested allowance) for new starters to "create more places at uni" (gov't stance) that weren't needed cos numbers are down from previous years. Ha!"Btw "all the people who want to do it" - nursing is a degree subject and not all applicants qualify to do it. It is an intense course with an awful attrition rate with the bursary. Don't expect that attrition rate to improve without the bursary. Expect half of the candidates to drop out in the first year. | |||
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"Money will be spent on technology not staff. A few new jobs will be created for those who operate and service them. Large numbers of we'll paid or even poorly paid jobs will not appear. Productivity will go up but not employment. The simple cause and effect message of immigrants force wages down will not turn out to be true. Who gets the blame next? If you have a time machine i want you to know it's rude not to share. One of your Brexit supporting friends on another friends was saying that he was seeing no downside to the process so far because he was getting so much work replacing immigrant jobs with technology. Of course, he also denied that prices were going up and holidays were more expensive
The time machine comment was very constructive though and an excellent logical argument against what I wrote
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If we don't all support Brexit, we're all fucked. Dry your tears and get on with it."were all fucked either way mate | |||
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs "Why do that? When we have a so called 'fair, points based immigration system' they'll be able to get even cheaper foreign labour from Africa, India and South America! That'll wiped the bloody smirk of a lot a BREXITers faces.  | |||
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs
You say it like it's a bad thing! .
Depends if your one of them
Best thing for them, get them out of the bookies."Unless your a bookie or work for one. I guess they'll have to go on the Jeremy Kyle show instead. | |||
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"Money will be spent on technology not staff. A few new jobs will be created for those who operate and service them. Large numbers of we'll paid or even poorly paid jobs will not appear. Productivity will go up but not employment. The simple cause and effect message of immigrants force wages down will not turn out to be true. Who gets the blame next? If you have a time machine i want you to know it's rude not to share. One of your Brexit supporting friends on another friends was saying that he was seeing no downside to the process so far because he was getting so much work replacing immigrant jobs with technology. Of course, he also denied that prices were going up and holidays were more expensive
The time machine comment was very constructive though and an excellent logical argument against what I wrote
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If we don't all support Brexit, we're all fucked. Dry your tears and get on with it. were all fucked either way mate "If we don't all support BREXIT there's a chance it won't actually happen and then no one will be fucked at all. Simples  | |||
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"Seems like a opportunity for some British Jobs for British workers here, he he. If the food is being left to rot then the growers need to pay people a living wage, put their prices up a bit and restore some reality to the British economy. I doubt if that will happen though until we've jumped over the Brexit cliff." In times before Brexit, farmers provided cottages etc for their staff at rent controlled prices and paid wages that supported families. They've cut costs with technology but have also cut their investment into staff and local communities . They are not forced to grow crops that need harvesting in one go either, as many crops produce progressively through a season. In any event, they can still attract people to come here to remain post Brexit. And farmers can support a government that doesn't cut investment in public infrastructure, such as schools, hospitals etc. Different ideology was needed before, for an increased population that went to where the work was. | |||
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs "That is right, hence why ministers are prolonging brexit, cos many that voted out are uneducated, they cant see the ice berg until it is too late. | |||
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs That is right, hence why ministers are prolonging brexit, cos many that voted out are uneducated, they cant see the ice berg until it is too late."wow uneducated Realy it's a joke on here now the amount of abuse the leave voters get wtf even a Swedish guys on it now lol | |||
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs That is right, hence why ministers are prolonging brexit, cos many that voted out are uneducated, they cant see the ice berg until it is too late. wow uneducated Realy it's a joke on here now the amount of abuse the leave voters get wtf even a Swedish guys on it now lol"Education level was one of the biggest factors on voting behaviour | |||
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs That is right, hence why ministers are prolonging brexit, cos many that voted out are uneducated, they cant see the ice berg until it is too late. wow uneducated Realy it's a joke on here now the amount of abuse the leave voters get wtf even a Swedish guys on it now lol
Education level was one of the biggest factors on voting behaviour "how do you know that ?lol | |||
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs That is right, hence why ministers are prolonging brexit, cos many that voted out are uneducated, they cant see the ice berg until it is too late. wow uneducated Realy it's a joke on here now the amount of abuse the leave voters get wtf even a Swedish guys on it now lol"He's only talking about the ministers being uneducated | |||
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs That is right, hence why ministers are prolonging brexit, cos many that voted out are uneducated, they cant see the ice berg until it is too late. wow uneducated Realy it's a joke on here now the amount of abuse the leave voters get wtf even a Swedish guys on it now lol
Education level was one of the biggest factors on voting behaviour how do you know that ?lol""Leave voters were older, poorer, less educated, and far more likely to think the country was getting worse than Remain voters, new research shows." https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/heres-who-voted-for-brexit-and-who-didnt?utm_term=.vnQ2mjQeem#.llVx5Q1995 | |||
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs That is right, hence why ministers are prolonging brexit, cos many that voted out are uneducated, they cant see the ice berg until it is too late. wow uneducated Realy it's a joke on here now the amount of abuse the leave voters get wtf even a Swedish guys on it now lol
Education level was one of the biggest factors on voting behaviour "You have a higher chance of being accurate if you stated those who voted out have been out of education for a longer period those who voted remain. Myself excluded | |||
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs That is right, hence why ministers are prolonging brexit, cos many that voted out are uneducated, they cant see the ice berg until it is too late. wow uneducated Realy it's a joke on here now the amount of abuse the leave voters get wtf even a Swedish guys on it now lol
Education level was one of the biggest factors on voting behaviour how do you know that ?lol"Ask and you shall receive: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38762034 Or just google education level brexit. LOL! | |||
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs That is right, hence why ministers are prolonging brexit, cos many that voted out are uneducated, they cant see the ice berg until it is too late. wow uneducated Realy it's a joke on here now the amount of abuse the leave voters get wtf even a Swedish guys on it now lol
Education level was one of the biggest factors on voting behaviour how do you know that ?lol
"Leave voters were older, poorer, less educated, and far more likely to think the country was getting worse than Remain voters, new research shows."
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/heres-who-voted-for-brexit-and-who-didnt?utm_term=.vnQ2mjQeem#.llVx5Q1995"A proletariat win over the bourgeoisie | |||
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs That is right, hence why ministers are prolonging brexit, cos many that voted out are uneducated, they cant see the ice berg until it is too late. wow uneducated Realy it's a joke on here now the amount of abuse the leave voters get wtf even a Swedish guys on it now lol
Education level was one of the biggest factors on voting behaviour how do you know that ?lol
"Leave voters were older, poorer, less educated, and far more likely to think the country was getting worse than Remain voters, new research shows."
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/heres-who-voted-for-brexit-and-who-didnt?utm_term=.vnQ2mjQeem#.llVx5Q1995
A proletariat win over the bourgeoisie "Or turkeys voting for christmas. | |||
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs That is right, hence why ministers are prolonging brexit, cos many that voted out are uneducated, they cant see the ice berg until it is too late. wow uneducated Realy it's a joke on here now the amount of abuse the leave voters get wtf even a Swedish guys on it now lol
Education level was one of the biggest factors on voting behaviour how do you know that ?lol
"Leave voters were older, poorer, less educated, and far more likely to think the country was getting worse than Remain voters, new research shows."
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/heres-who-voted-for-brexit-and-who-didnt?utm_term=.vnQ2mjQeem#.llVx5Q1995
A proletariat win over the bourgeoisie "Like the Maoist and Bolshevik experiments? How did they work out? | |||
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs That is right, hence why ministers are prolonging brexit, cos many that voted out are uneducated, they cant see the ice berg until it is too late. wow uneducated Realy it's a joke on here now the amount of abuse the leave voters get wtf even a Swedish guys on it now lol
Education level was one of the biggest factors on voting behaviour how do you know that ?lol
"Leave voters were older, poorer, less educated, and far more likely to think the country was getting worse than Remain voters, new research shows."
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/heres-who-voted-for-brexit-and-who-didnt?utm_term=.vnQ2mjQeem#.llVx5Q1995
A proletariat win over the bourgeoisie
Like the Maoist and Bolshevik experiments?
How did they work out? "What I meant there is that it was shown that most of the voters was from deprived areas such as oldham and only voted on the immigration and couldnt understand the complexity of being a member of the eu and all the benefits you get, also it is a once in a life time mistake vote which cant be reversed, all in all it seems that the remainers knows the real deal, uk will never be gran britana like it was 300 years ago with waving the flags, those days are gone  | |||
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs That is right, hence why ministers are prolonging brexit, cos many that voted out are uneducated, they cant see the ice berg until it is too late. wow uneducated Realy it's a joke on here now the amount of abuse the leave voters get wtf even a Swedish guys on it now lol
Education level was one of the biggest factors on voting behaviour how do you know that ?lol
"Leave voters were older, poorer, less educated, and far more likely to think the country was getting worse than Remain voters, new research shows."
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/heres-who-voted-for-brexit-and-who-didnt?utm_term=.vnQ2mjQeem#.llVx5Q1995
A proletariat win over the bourgeoisie
Like the Maoist and Bolshevik experiments?
How did they work out? What I meant there is that it was shown that most of the voters was from deprived areas such as oldham and only voted on the immigration and couldnt understand the complexity of being a member of the eu and all the benefits you get, also it is a once in a life time mistake vote which cant be reversed, all in all it seems that the remainers knows the real deal, uk will never be gran britana like it was 300 years ago with waving the flags, those days are gone "It's the same con that's been pulled thousand times in a thousand places. It's "their" fault, not hours. We don't have to take responsibility for our own inadequacies. We are just being held back from our "natural" place of primacy. Where has this worked? | |||
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs That is right, hence why ministers are prolonging brexit, cos many that voted out are uneducated, they cant see the ice berg until it is too late. wow uneducated Realy it's a joke on here now the amount of abuse the leave voters get wtf even a Swedish guys on it now lol
Education level was one of the biggest factors on voting behaviour how do you know that ?lol
"Leave voters were older, poorer, less educated, and far more likely to think the country was getting worse than Remain voters, new research shows."
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/heres-who-voted-for-brexit-and-who-didnt?utm_term=.vnQ2mjQeem#.llVx5Q1995
A proletariat win over the bourgeoisie
Like the Maoist and Bolshevik experiments?
How did they work out? What I meant there is that it was shown that most of the voters was from deprived areas such as oldham and only voted on the immigration and couldnt understand the complexity of being a member of the eu and all the benefits you get, also it is a once in a life time mistake vote which cant be reversed, all in all it seems that the remainers knows the real deal, uk will never be gran britana like it was 300 years ago with waving the flags, those days are gone
It's the same con that's been pulled thousand times in a thousand places.
It's "their" fault, not hours. We don't have to take responsibility for our own inadequacies. We are just being held back from our "natural" place of primacy.
Where has this worked?"It havent worked, but we all have to live with their consequence of voting out, although not me as I am in spain | |||
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs That is right, hence why ministers are prolonging brexit, cos many that voted out are uneducated, they cant see the ice berg until it is too late. wow uneducated Realy it's a joke on here now the amount of abuse the leave voters get wtf even a Swedish guys on it now lol
Education level was one of the biggest factors on voting behaviour how do you know that ?lol
"Leave voters were older, poorer, less educated, and far more likely to think the country was getting worse than Remain voters, new research shows."
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/heres-who-voted-for-brexit-and-who-didnt?utm_term=.vnQ2mjQeem#.llVx5Q1995
A proletariat win over the bourgeoisie
Like the Maoist and Bolshevik experiments?
How did they work out? What I meant there is that it was shown that most of the voters was from deprived areas such as oldham and only voted on the immigration and couldnt understand the complexity of being a member of the eu and all the benefits you get, also it is a once in a life time mistake vote which cant be reversed, all in all it seems that the remainers knows the real deal, uk will never be gran britana like it was 300 years ago with waving the flags, those days are gone
It's the same con that's been pulled thousand times in a thousand places.
It's "their" fault, not hours. We don't have to take responsibility for our own inadequacies. We are just being held back from our "natural" place of primacy.
Where has this worked?It havent worked, but we all have to live with their consequence of voting out, although not me as I am in spain "I'm agreeing with you. I'm wondering if anyone telling me not to own has any ideas? | |||
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs That is right, hence why ministers are prolonging brexit, cos many that voted out are uneducated, they cant see the ice berg until it is too late. wow uneducated Realy it's a joke on here now the amount of abuse the leave voters get wtf even a Swedish guys on it now lol
Education level was one of the biggest factors on voting behaviour how do you know that ?lol
"Leave voters were older, poorer, less educated, and far more likely to think the country was getting worse than Remain voters, new research shows."
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/heres-who-voted-for-brexit-and-who-didnt?utm_term=.vnQ2mjQeem#.llVx5Q1995
A proletariat win over the bourgeoisie
Like the Maoist and Bolshevik experiments?
How did they work out? "Marxist theory is fine in principle, then you get the new rulers become the ruling class and greed prevails. | |||
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs That is right, hence why ministers are prolonging brexit, cos many that voted out are uneducated, they cant see the ice berg until it is too late. wow uneducated Realy it's a joke on here now the amount of abuse the leave voters get wtf even a Swedish guys on it now lol
Education level was one of the biggest factors on voting behaviour how do you know that ?lol
"Leave voters were older, poorer, less educated, and far more likely to think the country was getting worse than Remain voters, new research shows."
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/heres-who-voted-for-brexit-and-who-didnt?utm_term=.vnQ2mjQeem#.llVx5Q1995
A proletariat win over the bourgeoisie
Like the Maoist and Bolshevik experiments?
How did they work out? What I meant there is that it was shown that most of the voters was from deprived areas such as oldham and only voted on the immigration and couldnt understand the complexity of being a member of the eu and all the benefits you get, also it is a once in a life time mistake vote which cant be reversed, all in all it seems that the remainers knows the real deal, uk will never be gran britana like it was 300 years ago with waving the flags, those days are gone "So the remainers knew the truth and Brexiters voted on lies? Both sides spouted crap. | |||
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs That is right, hence why ministers are prolonging brexit, cos many that voted out are uneducated, they cant see the ice berg until it is too late. wow uneducated Realy it's a joke on here now the amount of abuse the leave voters get wtf even a Swedish guys on it now lol
Education level was one of the biggest factors on voting behaviour how do you know that ?lol
"Leave voters were older, poorer, less educated, and far more likely to think the country was getting worse than Remain voters, new research shows."
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/heres-who-voted-for-brexit-and-who-didnt?utm_term=.vnQ2mjQeem#.llVx5Q1995
A proletariat win over the bourgeoisie
Like the Maoist and Bolshevik experiments?
How did they work out? What I meant there is that it was shown that most of the voters was from deprived areas such as oldham and only voted on the immigration and couldnt understand the complexity of being a member of the eu and all the benefits you get, also it is a once in a life time mistake vote which cant be reversed, all in all it seems that the remainers knows the real deal, uk will never be gran britana like it was 300 years ago with waving the flags, those days are gone "300 years ago the monarchy ruled Britain - divine birthright v Catholic/protestants rulers. The union jack wasn't adopted until the 1800s. You want to address your error? | |||
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs That is right, hence why ministers are prolonging brexit, cos many that voted out are uneducated, they cant see the ice berg until it is too late. wow uneducated Realy it's a joke on here now the amount of abuse the leave voters get wtf even a Swedish guys on it now lol
Education level was one of the biggest factors on voting behaviour how do you know that ?lol
"Leave voters were older, poorer, less educated, and far more likely to think the country was getting worse than Remain voters, new research shows."
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/heres-who-voted-for-brexit-and-who-didnt?utm_term=.vnQ2mjQeem#.llVx5Q1995
A proletariat win over the bourgeoisie
Like the Maoist and Bolshevik experiments?
How did they work out? What I meant there is that it was shown that most of the voters was from deprived areas such as oldham and only voted on the immigration and couldnt understand the complexity of being a member of the eu and all the benefits you get, also it is a once in a life time mistake vote which cant be reversed, all in all it seems that the remainers knows the real deal, uk will never be gran britana like it was 300 years ago with waving the flags, those days are gone
300 years ago the monarchy ruled Britain - divine birthright v Catholic/protestants rulers. The union jack wasn't adopted until the 1800s. You want to address your error?"Why is the detail important here? What's the salient point being made? The UK probably isn't as important to anybody else as we think that we are. Certainly compared to how the big three will interact with us. Realism or pessimism? | |||
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs That is right, hence why ministers are prolonging brexit, cos many that voted out are uneducated, they cant see the ice berg until it is too late. wow uneducated Realy it's a joke on here now the amount of abuse the leave voters get wtf even a Swedish guys on it now lol
Education level was one of the biggest factors on voting behaviour how do you know that ?lol
"Leave voters were older, poorer, less educated, and far more likely to think the country was getting worse than Remain voters, new research shows."
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/heres-who-voted-for-brexit-and-who-didnt?utm_term=.vnQ2mjQeem#.llVx5Q1995
A proletariat win over the bourgeoisie
Like the Maoist and Bolshevik experiments?
How did they work out? What I meant there is that it was shown that most of the voters was from deprived areas such as oldham and only voted on the immigration and couldnt understand the complexity of being a member of the eu and all the benefits you get, also it is a once in a life time mistake vote which cant be reversed, all in all it seems that the remainers knows the real deal, uk will never be gran britana like it was 300 years ago with waving the flags, those days are gone
It's the same con that's been pulled thousand times in a thousand places.
It's "their" fault, not hours. We don't have to take responsibility for our own inadequacies. We are just being held back from our "natural" place of primacy.
Where has this worked?It havent worked, but we all have to live with their consequence of voting out, although not me as I am in spain
I'm agreeing with you. I'm wondering if anyone telling me not to own has any ideas? "Moan* Hate autocorrect!  | |||
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs That is right, hence why ministers are prolonging brexit, cos many that voted out are uneducated, they cant see the ice berg until it is too late. wow uneducated Realy it's a joke on here now the amount of abuse the leave voters get wtf even a Swedish guys on it now lol
Education level was one of the biggest factors on voting behaviour how do you know that ?lol
"Leave voters were older, poorer, less educated, and far more likely to think the country was getting worse than Remain voters, new research shows."
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/heres-who-voted-for-brexit-and-who-didnt?utm_term=.vnQ2mjQeem#.llVx5Q1995
A proletariat win over the bourgeoisie
Like the Maoist and Bolshevik experiments?
How did they work out? What I meant there is that it was shown that most of the voters was from deprived areas such as oldham and only voted on the immigration and couldnt understand the complexity of being a member of the eu and all the benefits you get, also it is a once in a life time mistake vote which cant be reversed, all in all it seems that the remainers knows the real deal, uk will never be gran britana like it was 300 years ago with waving the flags, those days are gone
So the remainers knew the truth and Brexiters voted on lies? Both sides spouted crap."It is better to be in a club and get all the benefits, rather than rolling the dice with the devil. | |||
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs That is right, hence why ministers are prolonging brexit, cos many that voted out are uneducated, they cant see the ice berg until it is too late. wow uneducated Realy it's a joke on here now the amount of abuse the leave voters get wtf even a Swedish guys on it now lol
Education level was one of the biggest factors on voting behaviour how do you know that ?lol
"Leave voters were older, poorer, less educated, and far more likely to think the country was getting worse than Remain voters, new research shows."
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/heres-who-voted-for-brexit-and-who-didnt?utm_term=.vnQ2mjQeem#.llVx5Q1995
A proletariat win over the bourgeoisie
Like the Maoist and Bolshevik experiments?
How did they work out? What I meant there is that it was shown that most of the voters was from deprived areas such as oldham and only voted on the immigration and couldnt understand the complexity of being a member of the eu and all the benefits you get, also it is a once in a life time mistake vote which cant be reversed, all in all it seems that the remainers knows the real deal, uk will never be gran britana like it was 300 years ago with waving the flags, those days are gone
300 years ago the monarchy ruled Britain - divine birthright v Catholic/protestants rulers. The union jack wasn't adopted until the 1800s. You want to address your error?
Why is the detail important here?
What's the salient point being made?
The UK probably isn't as important to anybody else as we think that we are. Certainly compared to how the big three will interact with us.
Realism or pessimism?"That's okay no need to apologise for the error, anyone can make a mistake with regards to political history | |||
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs That is right, hence why ministers are prolonging brexit, cos many that voted out are uneducated, they cant see the ice berg until it is too late. wow uneducated Realy it's a joke on here now the amount of abuse the leave voters get wtf even a Swedish guys on it now lol
Education level was one of the biggest factors on voting behaviour how do you know that ?lol
"Leave voters were older, poorer, less educated, and far more likely to think the country was getting worse than Remain voters, new research shows."
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/heres-who-voted-for-brexit-and-who-didnt?utm_term=.vnQ2mjQeem#.llVx5Q1995
A proletariat win over the bourgeoisie
Like the Maoist and Bolshevik experiments?
How did they work out? What I meant there is that it was shown that most of the voters was from deprived areas such as oldham and only voted on the immigration and couldnt understand the complexity of being a member of the eu and all the benefits you get, also it is a once in a life time mistake vote which cant be reversed, all in all it seems that the remainers knows the real deal, uk will never be gran britana like it was 300 years ago with waving the flags, those days are gone
So the remainers knew the truth and Brexiters voted on lies? Both sides spouted crap.It is better to be in a club and get all the benefits, rather than rolling the dice with the devil."Insurance v protection racket springs to mind. | |||
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs "Proves there are great benefits put the lazy buggers to work | |||
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs That is right, hence why ministers are prolonging brexit, cos many that voted out are uneducated, they cant see the ice berg until it is too late. wow uneducated Realy it's a joke on here now the amount of abuse the leave voters get wtf even a Swedish guys on it now lol
Education level was one of the biggest factors on voting behaviour how do you know that ?lol
"Leave voters were older, poorer, less educated, and far more likely to think the country was getting worse than Remain voters, new research shows."
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/heres-who-voted-for-brexit-and-who-didnt?utm_term=.vnQ2mjQeem#.llVx5Q1995
A proletariat win over the bourgeoisie
Like the Maoist and Bolshevik experiments?
How did they work out? "Voted for? I don't think anybody votes for vanguardism - it's kind of in it's definition. Also; you appear to suppose that these were not uprisings led by middle class intellectuals. Perhaps have some idea what you are talking about before you make comments. Just a thought, like. | |||
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs Proves there are great benefits put the lazy buggers to work"Indeed...but im very much doubting they will like it....and probably not what they had in mind when voting out | |||
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"To vote to leave the EU was not irrational depending on the information that you had available or chose to believe or disbelieve. Also years of the British media and political class blaming the EU for everything. The remain campaign was preaching sudden Armageddon when the reality is a slow motion, ultra high definition train crash. Leave took the precaution of having two separate campaigns with different messages that allowed people to take whatever information that they chose to. It was a referendum on the current government and state of the country. If you had nothing then voting for a change that ruins everything else makes no difference except that there is at least a chance that something positive will happen rather than utter helplessness. It's all on us now. Alone in the World. I don't know if anyone really still believes that the Americans, Chinese or any of the old Commonwealth countries a really going to do us any special favours..." Excellent post, sir! I especially agree with the bit around the vote being more to do with things in general, as much as the EU. For me, that is a major reason why we cannot let one snapshot dictate what happens to our country for decades to come - it's utter madness! (Cue the 'you lost, get over it' helpful comments that show a complete ignorance of how democracy actually works). | |||
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs That is right, hence why ministers are prolonging brexit, cos many that voted out are uneducated, they cant see the ice berg until it is too late. wow uneducated Realy it's a joke on here now the amount of abuse the leave voters get wtf even a Swedish guys on it now lol
Education level was one of the biggest factors on voting behaviour how do you know that ?lol
"Leave voters were older, poorer, less educated, and far more likely to think the country was getting worse than Remain voters, new research shows."
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/heres-who-voted-for-brexit-and-who-didnt?utm_term=.vnQ2mjQeem#.llVx5Q1995
A proletariat win over the bourgeoisie
Like the Maoist and Bolshevik experiments?
How did they work out? What I meant there is that it was shown that most of the voters was from deprived areas such as oldham and only voted on the immigration and couldnt understand the complexity of being a member of the eu and all the benefits you get, also it is a once in a life time mistake vote which cant be reversed, all in all it seems that the remainers knows the real deal, uk will never be gran britana like it was 300 years ago with waving the flags, those days are gone
300 years ago the monarchy ruled Britain - divine birthright v Catholic/protestants rulers. The union jack wasn't adopted until the 1800s. You want to address your error?
Why is the detail important here?
What's the salient point being made?
The UK probably isn't as important to anybody else as we think that we are. Certainly compared to how the big three will interact with us.
Realism or pessimism?
That's okay no need to apologise for the error, anyone can make a mistake with regards to political history "I'm not apologising. I didn't make the mistake. It's just interesting that you chose to "win" on a detail whilst ignoring, and continuing to ignore, the substantive points being made. | |||
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs That is right, hence why ministers are prolonging brexit, cos many that voted out are uneducated, they cant see the ice berg until it is too late. wow uneducated Realy it's a joke on here now the amount of abuse the leave voters get wtf even a Swedish guys on it now lol
Education level was one of the biggest factors on voting behaviour how do you know that ?lol
"Leave voters were older, poorer, less educated, and far more likely to think the country was getting worse than Remain voters, new research shows."
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/heres-who-voted-for-brexit-and-who-didnt?utm_term=.vnQ2mjQeem#.llVx5Q1995
A proletariat win over the bourgeoisie
Like the Maoist and Bolshevik experiments?
How did they work out?
Voted for?
I don't think anybody votes for vanguardism - it's kind of in it's definition.
Also; you appear to suppose that these were not uprisings led by middle class intellectuals.
Perhaps have some idea what you are talking about before you make comments. Just a thought, like. "Really? That's what you chose to respond to from my comment? Not the fact that using the rage of the poor and desperate, however justified, to tear something down doesn't mean that the situation is improved for anyone? Quite the opposite in fact. Rather than reacting to that central point you chose to argue about peripheral technicalities? What for? | |||
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs That is right, hence why ministers are prolonging brexit, cos many that voted out are uneducated, they cant see the ice berg until it is too late. wow uneducated Realy it's a joke on here now the amount of abuse the leave voters get wtf even a Swedish guys on it now lol
Education level was one of the biggest factors on voting behaviour how do you know that ?lol
"Leave voters were older, poorer, less educated, and far more likely to think the country was getting worse than Remain voters, new research shows."
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/heres-who-voted-for-brexit-and-who-didnt?utm_term=.vnQ2mjQeem#.llVx5Q1995
A proletariat win over the bourgeoisie
Like the Maoist and Bolshevik experiments?
How did they work out? What I meant there is that it was shown that most of the voters was from deprived areas such as oldham and only voted on the immigration and couldnt understand the complexity of being a member of the eu and all the benefits you get, also it is a once in a life time mistake vote which cant be reversed, all in all it seems that the remainers knows the real deal, uk will never be gran britana like it was 300 years ago with waving the flags, those days are gone
300 years ago the monarchy ruled Britain - divine birthright v Catholic/protestants rulers. The union jack wasn't adopted until the 1800s. You want to address your error?
Why is the detail important here?
What's the salient point being made?
The UK probably isn't as important to anybody else as we think that we are. Certainly compared to how the big three will interact with us.
Realism or pessimism?
That's okay no need to apologise for the error, anyone can make a mistake with regards to political history
I'm not apologising. I didn't make the mistake.
It's just interesting that you chose to "win" on a detail whilst ignoring, and continuing to ignore, the substantive points being made."What, purely in your opinion, am i ignoring? | |||
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs That is right, hence why ministers are prolonging brexit, cos many that voted out are uneducated, they cant see the ice berg until it is too late. wow uneducated Realy it's a joke on here now the amount of abuse the leave voters get wtf even a Swedish guys on it now lol
Education level was one of the biggest factors on voting behaviour how do you know that ?lol
"Leave voters were older, poorer, less educated, and far more likely to think the country was getting worse than Remain voters, new research shows."
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/heres-who-voted-for-brexit-and-who-didnt?utm_term=.vnQ2mjQeem#.llVx5Q1995
A proletariat win over the bourgeoisie
Like the Maoist and Bolshevik experiments?
How did they work out?
Voted for?
I don't think anybody votes for vanguardism - it's kind of in it's definition.
Also; you appear to suppose that these were not uprisings led by middle class intellectuals.
Perhaps have some idea what you are talking about before you make comments. Just a thought, like.
Really? That's what you chose to respond to from my comment?
Not the fact that using the rage of the poor and desperate, however justified, to tear something down doesn't mean that the situation is improved for anyone? Quite the opposite in fact.
Rather than reacting to that central point you chose to argue about peripheral technicalities?
What for? "There wasn't a central point I could see, just a demonstration of a total lack of any grasp of the events you mentioned. The fact that you feel that the things I mentioned, whilst crucial to the events in question were "peripheral technicalities" further highlights your utter ignorance of them. | |||
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs That is right, hence why ministers are prolonging brexit, cos many that voted out are uneducated, they cant see the ice berg until it is too late. wow uneducated Realy it's a joke on here now the amount of abuse the leave voters get wtf even a Swedish guys on it now lol
Education level was one of the biggest factors on voting behaviour how do you know that ?lol
"Leave voters were older, poorer, less educated, and far more likely to think the country was getting worse than Remain voters, new research shows."
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/heres-who-voted-for-brexit-and-who-didnt?utm_term=.vnQ2mjQeem#.llVx5Q1995
A proletariat win over the bourgeoisie
Like the Maoist and Bolshevik experiments?
How did they work out?
Voted for?
I don't think anybody votes for vanguardism - it's kind of in it's definition.
Also; you appear to suppose that these were not uprisings led by middle class intellectuals.
Perhaps have some idea what you are talking about before you make comments. Just a thought, like.
Really? That's what you chose to respond to from my comment?
Not the fact that using the rage of the poor and desperate, however justified, to tear something down doesn't mean that the situation is improved for anyone? Quite the opposite in fact.
Rather than reacting to that central point you chose to argue about peripheral technicalities?
What for?
There wasn't a central point I could see, just a demonstration of a total lack of any grasp of the events you mentioned.
The fact that you feel that the things I mentioned, whilst crucial to the events in question were "peripheral technicalities" further highlights your utter ignorance of them."He's all talk. He's probably a politician | |||
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs That is right, hence why ministers are prolonging brexit, cos many that voted out are uneducated, they cant see the ice berg until it is too late. wow uneducated Realy it's a joke on here now the amount of abuse the leave voters get wtf even a Swedish guys on it now lol
Education level was one of the biggest factors on voting behaviour how do you know that ?lol
"Leave voters were older, poorer, less educated, and far more likely to think the country was getting worse than Remain voters, new research shows."
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/heres-who-voted-for-brexit-and-who-didnt?utm_term=.vnQ2mjQeem#.llVx5Q1995
A proletariat win over the bourgeoisie
Like the Maoist and Bolshevik experiments?
How did they work out?
Voted for?
I don't think anybody votes for vanguardism - it's kind of in it's definition.
Also; you appear to suppose that these were not uprisings led by middle class intellectuals.
Perhaps have some idea what you are talking about before you make comments. Just a thought, like.
Really? That's what you chose to respond to from my comment?
Not the fact that using the rage of the poor and desperate, however justified, to tear something down doesn't mean that the situation is improved for anyone? Quite the opposite in fact.
Rather than reacting to that central point you chose to argue about peripheral technicalities?
What for?
There wasn't a central point I could see, just a demonstration of a total lack of any grasp of the events you mentioned.
The fact that you feel that the things I mentioned, whilst crucial to the events in question were "peripheral technicalities" further highlights your utter ignorance of them."The previous poster wrote: "A proletariat win over the bourgeoisie "
To which I replied:
"Like the Maoist and Bolshevik experiments?
How did they work out? "
I'm not sure what was so controversial or "utterly ignorant".
I summarised the central point again just now to which you chose not to respond. Again.
"using the rage of the poor and desperate, however justified, to tear something down doesn't mean that the situation is improved for anyone? Quite the opposite in fact."
If you wish to show off, or try to put me down then please be my guest. If you want to actually make a vaguely pertinent response to the thread then let me reframe the question in such a way that you don't need to worry about the details.
Other than in removing an occupying power, when has radical change generated a positive outcome, particularly when it involved the removal of the middle class rather than the ruling class?
Do you understand why I asked the initial question and how these points build on each other?
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs That is right, hence why ministers are prolonging brexit, cos many that voted out are uneducated, they cant see the ice berg until it is too late. wow uneducated Realy it's a joke on here now the amount of abuse the leave voters get wtf even a Swedish guys on it now lol
Education level was one of the biggest factors on voting behaviour how do you know that ?lol
"Leave voters were older, poorer, less educated, and far more likely to think the country was getting worse than Remain voters, new research shows."
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/heres-who-voted-for-brexit-and-who-didnt?utm_term=.vnQ2mjQeem#.llVx5Q1995
A proletariat win over the bourgeoisie
Like the Maoist and Bolshevik experiments?
How did they work out? What I meant there is that it was shown that most of the voters was from deprived areas such as oldham and only voted on the immigration and couldnt understand the complexity of being a member of the eu and all the benefits you get, also it is a once in a life time mistake vote which cant be reversed, all in all it seems that the remainers knows the real deal, uk will never be gran britana like it was 300 years ago with waving the flags, those days are gone
300 years ago the monarchy ruled Britain - divine birthright v Catholic/protestants rulers. The union jack wasn't adopted until the 1800s. You want to address your error?
Why is the detail important here?
What's the salient point being made?
The UK probably isn't as important to anybody else as we think that we are. Certainly compared to how the big three will interact with us.
Realism or pessimism?
That's okay no need to apologise for the error, anyone can make a mistake with regards to political history
I'm not apologising. I didn't make the mistake.
It's just interesting that you chose to "win" on a detail whilst ignoring, and continuing to ignore, the substantive points being made.
What, purely in your opinion, am i ignoring?"The previous poster wrote: "it seems that the remainers knows the real deal, uk will never be gran britana like it was 300 years ago with waving the flags, those days are gone "
I re-stated that I'm its contemporary context:
"The UK probably isn't as important to anybody else as we think that we are. Certainly compared to how the big three will interact with us.
Realism or pessimism?"
Have you replied to proposition that the rest of the world does not view us in the same high regard as we do ourselves through the lens of a vain-glorious history?
You have mentioned the divine birthright of kings and their respective Christian sects and made some reference to the Union flag. Which is nice. I don't see how that is pertinent to the points above with respect to Brexit, the thing that thread is about... | |||
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs Proves there are great benefits put the lazy buggers to work
Indeed...but im very much doubting they will like it....and probably not what they had in mind when voting out "True but makes me smile | |||
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs That is right, hence why ministers are prolonging brexit, cos many that voted out are uneducated, they cant see the ice berg until it is too late. wow uneducated Realy it's a joke on here now the amount of abuse the leave voters get wtf even a Swedish guys on it now lol
Education level was one of the biggest factors on voting behaviour how do you know that ?lol
Ask and you shall receive:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38762034
Or just google education level brexit. LOL!
"Education level isn't necessarily an indicator of intelligence, ffs you can educate a monkey to perform certain tasks, lol.
Older people voted Leave and generally make better decisions as they have more life experience to call upon, ever heard of the term 'older and wiser'. | |||
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs That is right, hence why ministers are prolonging brexit, cos many that voted out are uneducated, they cant see the ice berg until it is too late. wow uneducated Realy it's a joke on here now the amount of abuse the leave voters get wtf even a Swedish guys on it now lol
Education level was one of the biggest factors on voting behaviour how do you know that ?lol
Ask and you shall receive:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38762034
Or just google education level brexit. LOL!
Education level isn't necessarily an indicator of intelligence, ffs you can educate a monkey to perform certain tasks, lol.
Older people voted Leave and generally make better decisions as they have more life experience to call upon, ever heard of the term 'older and wiser'. "That point is no more valid or useful than the one you're arguing against. Essentially you are suggesting that there is no point in education. Well done | |||
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"I voted to leave. I've never been a big fan of the EU, for a number of reasons, I just felt like we weren't getting a fair deal, then came the bailing out of the PIGS, who as far as I could make out shouldn't have been in the "club" in the first place. Then there was the way in which other countries' policies impacted on us (Angela Merkels "open door" immigration policy for example) I wasn't keen on us getting sucked in to a more "Federalist" EU either. But I guess the final nail in the coffin for me was the way the EU treated Cameron when he went to them to negotiate a better deal for the UK, and basically got told to fuck off. There wasn't just one "hot topic" like immigration, foreign workers, or the amount we paid into the EU, that tipped my decision, it was the whole thing. I could go on... try to sound like I know all the answers like some on here, who end up arguing the toss over "who said what", or squabble over words and phrases, but the bottom line is this, we are leaving, and no-one knows for an absolute certainty how all of the details will pan out, although both sides will try to paint their version of that picture right until the bitter end. One thing I do dislike is, as a leave voter, being portrayed as some sort of knuckle-dragging, uneducated, "little Englander". We all had a vote, and we all got to have our say, and while I enjoy a debate, there's no need to make it so personal. " I think the majority of the analysis said most who voted leave were in the lower scale of things...the same as most that voted to remain were in the upper scale of things ... not all | |||
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"I never wanted in the bloody awful thing in the first place.I voted leave . im glad I did . uneducated ..no wise...yes " Your actions don't confirm your hypothesis. | |||
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"I never wanted in the bloody awful thing in the first place.I voted leave . im glad I did . uneducated ..no wise...yes Your actions don't confirm your hypothesis." Pathetic. | |||
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Education level was one of the biggest factors on voting behaviour "I wonder sometimes if the contributors to this forum are educated in English at school . The use of there for they are or they're is nearly always used . And were for where .there for their as well. | |||
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs That is right, hence why ministers are prolonging brexit, cos many that voted out are uneducated, they cant see the ice berg until it is too late. wow uneducated Realy it's a joke on here now the amount of abuse the leave voters get wtf even a Swedish guys on it now lol
Education level was one of the biggest factors on voting behaviour
I wonder sometimes if the contributors to this forum are educated in English at school . The use of there for they are or they're is nearly always used . And were for where .there for their as well."Its a good job were on a swing forum then | |||
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs That is right, hence why ministers are prolonging brexit, cos many that voted out are uneducated, they cant see the ice berg until it is too late. wow uneducated Realy it's a joke on here now the amount of abuse the leave voters get wtf even a Swedish guys on it now lol
Education level was one of the biggest factors on voting behaviour
You have a higher chance of being accurate if you stated those who voted out have been out of education for a longer period those who voted remain. Myself excluded "I think it's a bit unfair to say people are stupid because they voted BREXIT. In fact quite the opposite is more likely true; they're not stupid because they voted BREXIT but they voted BREXIT because they're stupid!! . | |||
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs That is right, hence why ministers are prolonging brexit, cos many that voted out are uneducated, they cant see the ice berg until it is too late. wow uneducated Realy it's a joke on here now the amount of abuse the leave voters get wtf even a Swedish guys on it now lol
Education level was one of the biggest factors on voting behaviour how do you know that ?lol
"Leave voters were older, poorer, less educated, and far more likely to think the country was getting worse than Remain voters, new research shows."
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/heres-who-voted-for-brexit-and-who-didnt?utm_term=.vnQ2mjQeem#.llVx5Q1995
A proletariat win over the bourgeoisie "And we all know how well that worked out 100 years ago, don't we? | |||
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"A lot of Jeremy Kyle watchers are in for a shock when brexit finally kicks in....and there forced by DWP out on zero hours contacts to do these jobs That is right, hence why ministers are prolonging brexit, cos many that voted out are uneducated, they cant see the ice berg until it is too late. wow uneducated Realy it's a joke on here now the amount of abuse the leave voters get wtf even a Swedish guys on it now lol
Education level was one of the biggest factors on voting behaviour how do you know that ?lol
"Leave voters were older, poorer, less educated, and far more likely to think the country was getting worse than Remain voters, new research shows."
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/heres-who-voted-for-brexit-and-who-didnt?utm_term=.vnQ2mjQeem#.llVx5Q1995
A proletariat win over the bourgeoisie
And we all know how well that worked out 100 years ago, don't we?"Hey it's a democracy now | |||
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