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"Defence Secretary, Michael Fallon, has resigned, saying his conduct is below what is expected of the military. As no new accusations have been cited, this must stem from his hand on the journalist's knee, some fifteen years ago!" Tbh im not a fan of the tories....but thats bad there going back all that time...but i suppose you reap what you sow | |||
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"A knee jerk reaction, personally I considered him a safe pair of hands. " unless your a female .... then allegedly he's mostly just 'handsy' | |||
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"A knee jerk reaction, personally I considered him a safe pair of hands. " 
Well that notion will come back to haunt him... | |||
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"check again ... new allegations have emerged .... from his friends ... he thought while the allegations were historic he could worm his way out of the sleaze with an apology ... but then these allegations which are from recent times and he's chucked the towel in which he should've done in the first place ... all well and good resigning from the cabinet .... but if he was a decent human being he would resign his post as MP and fight the bi-election again .... grasping tory ... same as it ever was" And recently disgraced Sheffield Hallam Labour MP Jared O'Mara,..... all well and good resigning from the women and equalities committee.....but if he was a decent human being he would resign his post as an MP and fight the by-election again. | |||
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"Defence Secretary, Michael Fallon, has resigned, saying his conduct is below what is expected of the military. As no new accusations have been cited, this must stem from his hand on the journalist's knee, some fifteen years ago!" . I very much doubt he's resigned over that allegation?. My instinct tells me he's quitting before the bigger ones come along  | |||
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"My instinct tells me he's quitting before the bigger ones come along " and what with them both being married an all | |||
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"He’s resigned, methinks, because more, bigger stuff is waiting to roll out. The hand on knee thing, 15 years ago, when the journalist in question didn’t complain herself and says at no time did she feel under any duress, cannot be the reason he has gone. To be fair to him, as a minister, he was one of the few decent ones, on either side, in many a long year!" From the BBC: "Ms Hartley-Brewer, a former political editor of the Sunday Express and regular political commentator, told BBC Radio 4's The World Tonight: "If he has gone because he touched my knee 15 years ago, that is genuinely the most absurd reason for anyone to have lost their job in the history of the universe, so I hope it is not because of that." | |||
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"Hoping to see Penny Mordaunt put into post as Defence Secretary." Maybe Tobias Ellwood will get a bump up, already a defence minister, ex-Royal Green Jackets, gave first aid during the Westminster terrorist attack. | |||
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"Hoping to see Penny Mordaunt put into post as Defence Secretary. Maybe Tobias Ellwood will get a bump up, already a defence minister, ex-Royal Green Jackets, gave first aid during the Westminster terrorist attack." Could well be. Just needs NOT to be an older grey man in a grey suit! Penny Mordaunt is a RN officer reservist. | |||
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"Defence Secretary, Michael Fallon, has resigned, saying his conduct is below what is expected of the military. As no new accusations have been cited, this must stem from his hand on the journalist's knee, some fifteen years ago!. I very much doubt he's resigned over that allegation?. My instinct tells me he's quitting before the bigger ones come along "I agree with you on this he's quit before the real shit hits the fan more to come on this I'd bet | |||
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"check again ... new allegations have emerged .... from his friends ... he thought while the allegations were historic he could worm his way out of the sleaze with an apology ... but then these allegations which are from recent times and he's chucked the towel in which he should've done in the first place ... all well and good resigning from the cabinet .... but if he was a decent human being he would resign his post as MP and fight the bi-election again .... grasping tory ... same as it ever was And recently disgraced Sheffield Hallam Labour MP Jared O'Mara,..... all well and good resigning from the women and equalities committee.....but if he was a decent human being he would resign his post as an MP and fight the by-election again. " oh how i love you centaur...... so lets run with your proposal! okay... jared o mara on one side....... lets put stephen crabb on the other! i think that would be a fair equivilant at the moment! and the other 40 tory mp's on the guido fawkes list.... what should happen to them (yes i have seen the unblanked out list, yes there are some big names on there).... if that list is true, and i have no reason to believe it isn't, then what should happen to them, should all of them run by-elections? bearing in mind that your beloved majority is only 11..... it would only take 6 of the blue to flip to red and jeremy corbyn becomes your pm, and takes over your beloved brexit process....
do you really think the tories are in any fit state to have to in effect run a mini general election at this point???
oooh... a corbyn led brexit would make your skin crawl.....  | |||
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"Defence Secretary, Michael Fallon, has resigned, saying his conduct is below what is expected of the military. As no new accusations have been cited, this must stem from his hand on the journalist's knee, some fifteen years ago!" more coming........ much more coming! | |||
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"Defence Secretary, Michael Fallon, has resigned, saying his conduct is below what is expected of the military. As no new accusations have been cited, this must stem from his hand on the journalist's knee, some fifteen years ago! more coming........ much more coming!" No new headlines in the papers this morning. Are they holding fire until Sunday? Will the public switch off from all this, if it's just heresay and tittle tattle from years ago? | |||
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"and the other 40 tory mp's on the guido fawkes list.... what should happen to them (yes i have seen the unblanked out list, yes there are some big names on there).... if that list is true, and i have no reason to believe it isn't, then what should happen to them, should all of them run by-elections?" 30+ of the allegations on the Tory list are not a problem, certainly not illegal (though wouldn't go down well in the shires) consensual affairs and weird (but legal) sexual kicks, black maily but nothing to resign over. The remainder are much more than 'being a bit handsy' and should induce a good few sleepless nights. What's puzzling me is why the list has surfaced now | |||
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"Defence Secretary, Michael Fallon, has resigned, saying his conduct is below what is expected of the military. As no new accusations have been cited, this must stem from his hand on the journalist's knee, some fifteen years ago! more coming........ much more coming! No new headlines in the papers this morning. Are they holding fire until Sunday? Will the public switch off from all this, if it's just heresay and tittle tattle from years ago? " I agree that Fallon should not have resigned over the Hartley-Brewer thing and its likely other incidents will be made public.. given that already there has been one accusation of r*pe i am not sure 'tittle tattle' is appropriate.. this looks like a moment when following Weinstein that the inherent issue's of sexual misconduct / harassment within many organisations may well start to be addressed by those who have been victims.. bit of a wake up moment.. the PM is in a tenuous position without losing Fallon and possibly Grieve also going will cause her position to be weaker within her party.. | |||
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"Defence Secretary, Michael Fallon, has resigned, saying his conduct is below what is expected of the military. As no new accusations have been cited, this must stem from his hand on the journalist's knee, some fifteen years ago! more coming........ much more coming! No new headlines in the papers this morning. Are they holding fire until Sunday? Will the public switch off from all this, if it's just heresay and tittle tattle from years ago? I agree that Fallon should not have resigned over the Hartley-Brewer thing and its likely other incidents will be made public.. given that already there has been one accusation of r*pe i am not sure 'tittle tattle' is appropriate.. this looks like a moment when following Weinstein that the inherent issue's of sexual misconduct / harassment within many organisations may well start to be addressed by those who have been victims.. bit of a wake up moment.. the PM is in a tenuous position without losing Fallon and possibly Grieve also going will cause her position to be weaker within her party.." I was talking about seperating the stupid from the illegal. I'm hoping to see the police called in over the most serious accusations. Accusations that have no party bias, and are not limited to the political world. | |||
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"Hoping to see Penny Mordaunt put into post as Defence Secretary. Maybe Tobias Ellwood will get a bump up, already a defence minister, ex-Royal Green Jackets, gave first aid during the Westminster terrorist attack. Could well be. Just needs NOT to be an older grey man in a grey suit! Penny Mordaunt is a RN officer reservist." Although the experience is extremely valuable, I think it could cause issues having a serving officer as Defence Secretary. | |||
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"check again ... new allegations have emerged .... from his friends ... he thought while the allegations were historic he could worm his way out of the sleaze with an apology ... but then these allegations which are from recent times and he's chucked the towel in which he should've done in the first place ... all well and good resigning from the cabinet .... but if he was a decent human being he would resign his post as MP and fight the bi-election again .... grasping tory ... same as it ever was And recently disgraced Sheffield Hallam Labour MP Jared O'Mara,..... all well and good resigning from the women and equalities committee.....but if he was a decent human being he would resign his post as an MP and fight the by-election again. oh how i love you centaur...... so lets run with your proposal! okay... jared o mara on one side....... lets put stephen crabb on the other! i think that would be a fair equivilant at the moment! and the other 40 tory mp's on the guido fawkes list.... what should happen to them (yes i have seen the unblanked out list, yes there are some big names on there).... if that list is true, and i have no reason to believe it isn't, then what should happen to them, should all of them run by-elections? bearing in mind that your beloved majority is only 11..... it would only take 6 of the blue to flip to red and jeremy corbyn becomes your pm, and takes over your beloved brexit process....
do you really think the tories are in any fit state to have to in effect run a mini general election at this point???
oooh... a corbyn led brexit would make your skin crawl..... "I think the politics forum regulars respect Centaur as a man of his convictions, and are confident that if these same allegations were leveled at David Davis, or Farage, Centaur would also be calling for them to step down. | |||
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"Defence Secretary, Michael Fallon, has resigned, saying his conduct is below what is expected of the military. As no new accusations have been cited, this must stem from his hand on the journalist's knee, some fifteen years ago! more coming........ much more coming! No new headlines in the papers this morning. Are they holding fire until Sunday? Will the public switch off from all this, if it's just heresay and tittle tattle from years ago? " There is a question whether some of these allegations are true or even happened in the first place? Lichfield Tory MP Michael Fabricant was on the BBC Radio 2 Jeremy Vine show yesterday about this and said he'd been named on the list but he couldn't even recall or remember the incident that he is accused of. | |||
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"and the other 40 tory mp's on the guido fawkes list.... what should happen to them (yes i have seen the unblanked out list, yes there are some big names on there).... if that list is true, and i have no reason to believe it isn't, then what should happen to them, should all of them run by-elections? 30+ of the allegations on the Tory list are not a problem, certainly not illegal (though wouldn't go down well in the shires) consensual affairs and weird (but legal) sexual kicks, black maily but nothing to resign over. The remainder are much more than 'being a bit handsy' and should induce a good few sleepless nights. What's puzzling me is why the list has surfaced now " . I long ago stopped believing in media driven coincidences... Politics is power and those with deep agendas seek to have grip on it for various reasons, sadly usually for their own ends | |||
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"Considering how hard-faced the present crop of Tory MP's (and the government) is when it comes toughing it out when faced with scandal I find myself wondering why Fallon has jumped ship so quickly. I expect that there will be packs of investigative journalist bloodhounds sifting through his past and household waste to find the source of stink that is his resignation.
"Maybe he just thought fuck it if they going to hound me anyways I might as well just quit now because he would not be able to do his job anyways because the same old boring questions would just keep being asked . | |||
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"Maybe he just thought fuck it if they going to hound me anyways I might as well just quit now because he would not be able to do his job anyways because the same old boring questions would just keep being asked . " Nah... Remember plebgate? Remember the 2010 General Election expenses scandal Remember the 2015 General Election expenses scandal? Remember there are now more police investigations into Tory election expenses this time again! Remember the Tory MP claiming expenses for a moat and a duck house on an island and all the rest. This bag of Tory shite do not do embarrassment or resignation when there is no proof of serious criminal wrongdoing. In fact this bag of Tory shite are quite willing to parade their criminal malfeasance in front of all of us and then tell us they are the only ones fit to run the country, when in fact they are nothing but a well organised, funded and connected gang of fraudsters and worse by the looks of it. | |||
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"There is a question whether some of these allegations are true or even happened in the first place? Lichfield Tory MP Michael Fabricant was on the BBC Radio 2 Jeremy Vine show yesterday about this and said he'd been named on the list but he couldn't even recall or remember the incident that he is accused of." Well you wouldn't wanna share a taxi with him would you | |||
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"I long ago stopped believing in media driven coincidences... Politics is power and those with deep agendas seek to have grip on it for various reasons, sadly usually for their own ends" Exactly, so who on that list is being given a warning by what's happening to Fallon, it's a pretty nuclear option to leak it. | |||
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"There is a question whether some of these allegations are true or even happened in the first place? Lichfield Tory MP Michael Fabricant was on the BBC Radio 2 Jeremy Vine show yesterday about this and said he'd been named on the list but he couldn't even recall or remember the incident that he is accused of. Well you wouldn't wanna share a taxi with him would you" Just because he cannot remember either means he has done it so much he sees it as trivial or, he thinks by saying he cannot remember somehow makes it ok. | |||
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"There is a question whether some of these allegations are true or even happened in the first place? Lichfield Tory MP Michael Fabricant was on the BBC Radio 2 Jeremy Vine show yesterday about this and said he'd been named on the list but he couldn't even recall or remember the incident that he is accused of. Well you wouldn't wanna share a taxi with him would you Just because he cannot remember either means he has done it so much he sees it as trivial or, he thinks by saying he cannot remember somehow makes it ok." Or it could mean that the accusations are false and never happened in the first place. Just because someone is accused of something doesn't make it true, remember not so long ago Cliff Richard was accused of all sorts of vile stuff and had a vigilante mob on here acting like Judge, Jury and executioner, 'no smoke without fire' and all that nonsense, turned out in the end he was innocent all along. | |||
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"There is a question whether some of these allegations are true or even happened in the first place? Lichfield Tory MP Michael Fabricant was on the BBC Radio 2 Jeremy Vine show yesterday about this and said he'd been named on the list but he couldn't even recall or remember the incident that he is accused of. Well you wouldn't wanna share a taxi with him would you Just because he cannot remember either means he has done it so much he sees it as trivial or, he thinks by saying he cannot remember somehow makes it ok. Or it could mean that the accusations are false and never happened in the first place. Just because someone is accused of something doesn't make it true, remember not so long ago Cliff Richard was accused of all sorts of vile stuff and had a vigilante mob on here acting like Judge, Jury and executioner, 'no smoke without fire' and all that nonsense, turned out in the end he was innocent all along. " Omg I’ve heard it all now | |||
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"There is a question whether some of these allegations are true or even happened in the first place? Lichfield Tory MP Michael Fabricant was on the BBC Radio 2 Jeremy Vine show yesterday about this and said he'd been named on the list but he couldn't even recall or remember the incident that he is accused of. Well you wouldn't wanna share a taxi with him would you Just because he cannot remember either means he has done it so much he sees it as trivial or, he thinks by saying he cannot remember somehow makes it ok. Or it could mean that the accusations are false and never happened in the first place. Just because someone is accused of something doesn't make it true, remember not so long ago Cliff Richard was accused of all sorts of vile stuff and had a vigilante mob on here acting like Judge, Jury and executioner, 'no smoke without fire' and all that nonsense, turned out in the end he was innocent all along. Omg I’ve heard it all now " Congratulations and Celebrations | |||
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"Defence Secretary, Michael Fallon, has resigned, saying his conduct is below what is expected of the military. " He thought his conduct was fine UNTIL being exposed! Not beforehand!! Ive also no sympathy for people like that, tories or anyone that thinks it's fine until being caught out | |||
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"There is a question whether some of these allegations are true or even happened in the first place? Lichfield Tory MP Michael Fabricant was on the BBC Radio 2 Jeremy Vine show yesterday about this and said he'd been named on the list but he couldn't even recall or remember the incident that he is accused of. Well you wouldn't wanna share a taxi with him would you Just because he cannot remember either means he has done it so much he sees it as trivial or, he thinks by saying he cannot remember somehow makes it ok. Or it could mean that the accusations are false and never happened in the first place. Just because someone is accused of something doesn't make it true, remember not so long ago Cliff Richard was accused of all sorts of vile stuff and had a vigilante mob on here acting like Judge, Jury and executioner, 'no smoke without fire' and all that nonsense, turned out in the end he was innocent all along. " Hes just about admits it. Saying his conduct is below par. | |||
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"There is a question whether some of these allegations are true or even happened in the first place? Lichfield Tory MP Michael Fabricant was on the BBC Radio 2 Jeremy Vine show yesterday about this and said he'd been named on the list but he couldn't even recall or remember the incident that he is accused of. Well you wouldn't wanna share a taxi with him would you Just because he cannot remember either means he has done it so much he sees it as trivial or, he thinks by saying he cannot remember somehow makes it ok. Or it could mean that the accusations are false and never happened in the first place. Just because someone is accused of something doesn't make it true, remember not so long ago Cliff Richard was accused of all sorts of vile stuff and had a vigilante mob on here acting like Judge, Jury and executioner, 'no smoke without fire' and all that nonsense, turned out in the end he was innocent all along. Omg I’ve heard it all now Congratulations and Celebrations "Lol.. a high ranking tory bites the dust. | |||
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"There is a question whether some of these allegations are true or even happened in the first place? Lichfield Tory MP Michael Fabricant was on the BBC Radio 2 Jeremy Vine show yesterday about this and said he'd been named on the list but he couldn't even recall or remember the incident that he is accused of. Well you wouldn't wanna share a taxi with him would you Just because he cannot remember either means he has done it so much he sees it as trivial or, he thinks by saying he cannot remember somehow makes it ok. Or it could mean that the accusations are false and never happened in the first place. Just because someone is accused of something doesn't make it true, remember not so long ago Cliff Richard was accused of all sorts of vile stuff and had a vigilante mob on here acting like Judge, Jury and executioner, 'no smoke without fire' and all that nonsense, turned out in the end he was innocent all along. Hes just about admits it. Saying his conduct is below par. " I assume you are referring to Michael Fallon? The comment I was replying to was referring to Michael Fabricant who was on the BBC Radio 2 show about this earlier this week. | |||
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"There is a question whether some of these allegations are true or even happened in the first place? Lichfield Tory MP Michael Fabricant was on the BBC Radio 2 Jeremy Vine show yesterday about this and said he'd been named on the list but he couldn't even recall or remember the incident that he is accused of. Well you wouldn't wanna share a taxi with him would you Just because he cannot remember either means he has done it so much he sees it as trivial or, he thinks by saying he cannot remember somehow makes it ok. Or it could mean that the accusations are false and never happened in the first place. Just because someone is accused of something doesn't make it true, remember not so long ago Cliff Richard was accused of all sorts of vile stuff and had a vigilante mob on here acting like Judge, Jury and executioner, 'no smoke without fire' and all that nonsense, turned out in the end he was innocent all along. Hes just about admits it. Saying his conduct is below par. I assume you are referring to Michael Fallon? The comment I was replying to was referring to Michael Fabricant who was on the BBC Radio 2 show about this earlier this week. " Woops.. Sozz  | |||
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"I see Fallon thinks he should resign as the defence secretary because his actions were deemed way short yet funny think is he still thinks he should pick up his pay packet as an MP the Tories have no shame Oh canny have resigning as an MP or anyone else incase they lose their wee thin ass majority that are helped with the Dup" As usual, you miss the fact that abuse and harassment have no Party boundaries. | |||
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"I see Fallon thinks he should resign as the defence secretary because his actions were deemed way short yet funny think is he still thinks he should pick up his pay packet as an MP the Tories have no shame Oh canny have resigning as an MP or anyone else incase they lose their wee thin ass majority that are helped with the Dup"
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"I see Fallon thinks he should resign as the defence secretary because his actions were deemed way short yet funny think is he still thinks he should pick up his pay packet as an MP the Tories have no shame Oh canny have resigning as an MP or anyone else incase they lose their wee thin ass majority that are helped with the Dup As usual, you miss the fact that abuse and harassment have no Party boundaries. " No i didnt Yes i know abuse shouldnt happen in any party But this a therad on Fallon and am pointing out he still thinks its ok ro pick up a wage from being an MP I mean come on do you think he should remain an MP ? He knows he has done wrong that much he quit his post as Defence Secretary but still thinks its ok to be an mp | |||
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" I mean come on do you think he should remain an MP ? He knows he has done wrong that much he quit his post as Defence Secretary but still thinks its ok to be an mp " Not addressed to me but if I may add something here. You make a very serious point here - his conduct raises questions about his judgement and fitness to be an MP. | |||
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"I see Fallon thinks he should resign as the defence secretary because his actions were deemed way short yet funny think is he still thinks he should pick up his pay packet as an MP the Tories have no shame Oh canny have resigning as an MP or anyone else incase they lose their wee thin ass majority that are helped with the Dup As usual, you miss the fact that abuse and harassment have no Party boundaries. No i didnt Yes i know abuse shouldnt happen in any party But this a therad on Fallon and am pointing out he still thinks its ok ro pick up a wage from being an MP I mean come on do you think he should remain an MP ? He knows he has done wrong that much he quit his post as Defence Secretary but still thinks its ok to be an mp " Persuade me he shouldn't be an MP. It's not as if MPs do stupid things from time to time. The important thing is seperating the stupid from the illegal. | |||
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"Defence Secretary, Michael Fallon, has resigned, saying his conduct is below what is expected of the military. As no new accusations have been cited, this must stem from his hand on the journalist's knee, some fifteen years ago! more coming........ much more coming! No new headlines in the papers this morning. Are they holding fire until Sunday? Will the public switch off from all this, if it's just heresay and tittle tattle from years ago? " at least we know in the fallon case what the "more coming" now was..... apparently an "incident" when an mp complained about his conduct in her presence... and this was relied on no.10 this week..... the person who apparently made the complaint... leader of the house of commons, andrea leadsome! | |||
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"Defence Secretary, Michael Fallon, has resigned, saying his conduct is below what is expected of the military. As no new accusations have been cited, this must stem from his hand on the journalist's knee, some fifteen years ago! more coming........ much more coming! No new headlines in the papers this morning. Are they holding fire until Sunday? Will the public switch off from all this, if it's just heresay and tittle tattle from years ago? at least we know in the fallon case what the "more coming" now was..... apparently an "incident" when an mp complained about his conduct in her presence... and this was relied on no.10 this week..... the person who apparently made the complaint... leader of the house of commons, andrea leadsome! " Andrea Leadsom has played it cute here. Already demoted once, she has fire-proofed herself against another expected demotion. After all, firing a whistleblower looks bad. | |||
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"It’s not just Tory mos though is it? Cyril Smith! Liberal Just saying "Labour MP Kelvin Hopkins was also suspended last night following allegations of sexual harassment. | |||
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"It’s not just Tory mos though is it? Cyril Smith! Liberal Just saying
Labour MP Kelvin Hopkins was also suspended last night following allegations of sexual harassment. "And it looks like Labour is yet again taking the lead....as there the only party at the moment to suspend | |||
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"I see Fallon thinks he should resign as the defence secretary because his actions were deemed way short yet funny think is he still thinks he should pick up his pay packet as an MP the Tories have no shame Oh canny have resigning as an MP or anyone else incase they lose their wee thin ass majority that are helped with the Dup As usual, you miss the fact that abuse and harassment have no Party boundaries. No i didnt Yes i know abuse shouldnt happen in any party But this a therad on Fallon and am pointing out he still thinks its ok ro pick up a wage from being an MP I mean come on do you think he should remain an MP ? He knows he has done wrong that much he quit his post as Defence Secretary but still thinks its ok to be an mp " Good point. Also notice he thought it was ok to continue in this position UNTIL being caught out. | |||
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