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"2 things.... 1) i actually do agree that all the papers should be made public, just because we will then be able to see sector by sector where the government believe there may/will be job losses and disadvantages of leaving the EU... it will then make the "everything is going to be rosy everywhere" leavers have to deal with some sort of reality...... 2) i do think it is ironic that you want credit given to the snp, for labour following their position on a topic, because when we had this same discussion on the SNP following labour position on nationalising energy when you were not prepared to given them any credit at all..!!!!! me.... i'll give credit where it is due! whoever it comes from! will you??? at the moment people are going to think you are points scoring whilst being being extremely hypocritical on the matter....." Fucking hell All i was pointing out is the SNP had been saying this for ages to reveal the brexit papers to see if it really is that bad and allow the public to know Am glad Labour have finally woke up to force the government into telling the public if brexit is going to be very bad for us Now since there is reports out their that Scotland will be £30 billion worse off in a UK brexit we have the right to know this to make up our minds if we agree to the final brexit deal or get the hell away from the UK Fabio did you not see the report too that the north of England could be also worse it ? | |||
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"First the papers are based on a no deal situation and a worse case scenario so why worry people till they need to Second faced with already being 30 billion worse off do you think people would flock to be another 15 billion worse off" Tut tut GERS does not show what an independent Scotland would be like lol Also Tory MP says ‘Releasing Brexit impact reports would only cause distress. Like watching Air Crash Investigation while on a plane So we have a Tory mp admitting that it would cause distress to people if they knew how bad brexit will be. People have a right to know | |||
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"First the papers are based on a no deal situation and a worse case scenario so why worry people till they need to Second faced with already being 30 billion worse off do you think people would flock to be another 15 billion worse off" All 58 papers are based on a no deal scenario? Odd - I would have thought that the reason that there were 58 would be to explore a wide range of scenario’s. It really is beyond contempt that bringing back control actually means acting like a tin pot Dictator and playing God with our future livelihoods. That said, the very fact that the Govt is squealing and bitching about releasing them tells us all we need to know about what they are likely to say. Then again.... who needs experts ... | |||
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""The Tories must think we are all thick fuckers" . . Just the tories? " Well who is the UK government ? | |||
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""The Tories must think we are all thick fuckers" . . Just the tories? " SNP do ? | |||
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""The Tories must think we are all thick fuckers" . . Just the tories? SNP do ?" Ah so this has turned into SNP bad and defend the Tories ah see Not a care in the world about seeing the brexit effect more interested in SNP bad | |||
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"Yawn. The same 12 or so people spouting political rubbish on here, like anyone in any real position of power would be on a fab forum reading this. Do you really expect to change anyones opinion with this drivel?!" No, but it sure beats Snog, Fuck or Pass and other nonsensical threads. Read or join in or just leave...the choice is yours. | |||
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"I think they should be released, but I doubt it will make the slightest bit of difference to most brexiters. They seem so have amazing powers of cognitive disconnect. " I think some of the leave voters might realise if the papers are released that some people they know might find themselves out of work - that always makes most rational people think twice. The brexit ideologues will just scream "BBC BIAS" and "THE PUBLIC WANT YOU TO JUST GET ON WITH IT". Finally saw it on the BBC a few nights ago that the issue of agriculture, livestock, farming, food production and processing standards were finally given a bit of air time. I cannot believe that some people seem to think that the world produces food and livestock to the same good standards we have here and in Europe. Then there is the other side of the issue. We might have to lower our standards to import 'cheap food' from the rest of the world. This means that exporting our food products to the EU may become more difficult. | |||
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"Yawn. The same 12 or so people spouting political rubbish on here, like anyone in any real position of power would be on a fab forum reading this. Do you really expect to change anyones opinion with this drivel?!" Isn't yours the most rubbish, if not adding anything of relevance? Other forum sections and threads elsewhere btw | |||
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"I think they should be released, but I doubt it will make the slightest bit of difference to most brexiters. They seem so have amazing powers of cognitive disconnect. " Nail on the head. Well said. | |||
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"Apparently David Davis has not even bothered to read a summary of the 800 page analysis of possible sector-based impacts - he said it would be a waste of time as he is negotiating the best possible deal for us!" There are also a considerable number of Brexit impact reports that are free to download without any redactions from the EU website. These were prepared by the EU and used to formulate their Brexit strategy. I guess they were not too concerned about “showing their hand.” | |||
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"Apparently David Davis has not even bothered to read a summary of the 800 page analysis of possible sector-based impacts - he said it would be a waste of time as he is negotiating the best possible deal for us! There are also a considerable number of Brexit impact reports that are free to download without any redactions from the EU website. These were prepared by the EU and used to formulate their Brexit strategy. I guess they were not too concerned about “showing their hand.”" I've found one entitled the impact of Brexit on the UK and the EU. The summary is; Summary This report examines the impact Brexit would have not only on the UK, but also on other countries in the EU. The key findings of the report are: Deep trading, investment and financial links combined with a shared liberal outlook means the Netherlands ranks as the member state most exposed to Brexit. The fragmentation of Europe’s financial sector would increase the cost of raising finance for European businesses, with the costs ultimately borne by European households. The balance of influence in Europe would shift from the liberalising north to the interventionist south, with Berlin more exposed in policy debates and finding it harder to block initiatives. There is a risk of ‘political contagion’ from Brexit as it could fuel Euroscepticism elsewhere, particularly if the UK is seen to benefit in politically sensitive areas like migration. Brexit would mean years of uncertainty and wrangling to establish a new relationship between Britain and the EU, which would be damaging for businesses trading with and invested in the UK. All member states will feel the impact of Brexit as Europe will lose international esteem and foreign policy influence and have less leverage in trade negotiations. | |||
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"Apparently David Davis has not even bothered to read a summary of the 800 page analysis of possible sector-based impacts - he said it would be a waste of time as he is negotiating the best possible deal for us! There are also a considerable number of Brexit impact reports that are free to download without any redactions from the EU website. These were prepared by the EU and used to formulate their Brexit strategy. I guess they were not too concerned about “showing their hand.” I've found one entitled the impact of Brexit on the UK and the EU. The summary is; Summary This report examines the impact Brexit would have not only on the UK, but also on other countries in the EU. The key findings of the report are: Deep trading, investment and financial links combined with a shared liberal outlook means the Netherlands ranks as the member state most exposed to Brexit. The fragmentation of Europe’s financial sector would increase the cost of raising finance for European businesses, with the costs ultimately borne by European households. The balance of influence in Europe would shift from the liberalising north to the interventionist south, with Berlin more exposed in policy debates and finding it harder to block initiatives. There is a risk of ‘political contagion’ from Brexit as it could fuel Euroscepticism elsewhere, particularly if the UK is seen to benefit in politically sensitive areas like migration. Brexit would mean years of uncertainty and wrangling to establish a new relationship between Britain and the EU, which would be damaging for businesses trading with and invested in the UK. All member states will feel the impact of Brexit as Europe will lose international esteem and foreign policy influence and have less leverage in trade negotiations." Pretty clear that Brexit is a shit idea.  | |||
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"And another on the EU Agricultural Committee report EU-UK agri-trade following Brexit, some of its key findings are; the UK is currently the second largest EU28 country and is highly integrated with the EU27 in terms of trade and value chains. As a result, all the EU27 countries will be negatively affected by Brexit, the magnitude of the impact increasing with economic proximity to the UK. Ireland in particular (-3.4% in GDP, USD -63.4 billion), and to a much lesser extent Belgium and Luxembourg (-0.7%) and the Netherlands (-0.5%), are the most affected countries. Agri-food products are less traded than manufactured ones and contribute less in total GDP. They will face however the largest increases in trade protection, both in terms of tariffs and non-tariff measures. Agri-food exports of the EU27 to the UK will decrease by USD 34 billion agri-food exports of the EU27 to the world will decrease by 4.1% (USD -27 billion). The most affected sectors (in value terms) are processed food (USD -10.5 billion, -4.7%),1 which is also the most exported (33% of EU27 agri-food exports), white meat (USD -5.2 billion, - 10.5%) and dairy (USD -4.6 billion, -7%). The Netherlands (USD -6.7 billion, -66%), Ireland (USD -6.5 billion, -71%) and France (USD -4.7 billion, -51%) undergo the largest drops in exports. Because of its tight relationship with the UK, of all EU27 countries, Ireland is affected the most by Brexit, and not only in agri-food sectors. In relative terms, its GDP decreases even more than UK's GDP (-3.4% vs -2.4%). This is explained by a drop in Irish agri-food exports to the UK and to the rest of the World, including EU27 countries as Irish production relies heavily on imported intermediates from the UK." So Brexit will cause GDP to shrink by 2.4% (or £63bn). What kind of a moron would vote for that? | |||
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"And another on the EU Agricultural Committee report EU-UK agri-trade following Brexit, some of its key findings are; the UK is currently the second largest EU28 country and is highly integrated with the EU27 in terms of trade and value chains. As a result, all the EU27 countries will be negatively affected by Brexit, the magnitude of the impact increasing with economic proximity to the UK. Ireland in particular (-3.4% in GDP, USD -63.4 billion), and to a much lesser extent Belgium and Luxembourg (-0.7%) and the Netherlands (-0.5%), are the most affected countries. Agri-food products are less traded than manufactured ones and contribute less in total GDP. They will face however the largest increases in trade protection, both in terms of tariffs and non-tariff measures. Agri-food exports of the EU27 to the UK will decrease by USD 34 billion agri-food exports of the EU27 to the world will decrease by 4.1% (USD -27 billion). The most affected sectors (in value terms) are processed food (USD -10.5 billion, -4.7%),1 which is also the most exported (33% of EU27 agri-food exports), white meat (USD -5.2 billion, - 10.5%) and dairy (USD -4.6 billion, -7%). The Netherlands (USD -6.7 billion, -66%), Ireland (USD -6.5 billion, -71%) and France (USD -4.7 billion, -51%) undergo the largest drops in exports. Because of its tight relationship with the UK, of all EU27 countries, Ireland is affected the most by Brexit, and not only in agri-food sectors. In relative terms, its GDP decreases even more than UK's GDP (-3.4% vs -2.4%). This is explained by a drop in Irish agri-food exports to the UK and to the rest of the World, including EU27 countries as Irish production relies heavily on imported intermediates from the UK. So Brexit will cause GDP to shrink by 2.4% (or £63bn). What kind of a moron would vote for that? " 18 million of them did  | |||
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"And another on the EU Agricultural Committee report EU-UK agri-trade following Brexit, some of its key findings are; the UK is currently the second largest EU28 country and is highly integrated with the EU27 in terms of trade and value chains. As a result, all the EU27 countries will be negatively affected by Brexit, the magnitude of the impact increasing with economic proximity to the UK. Ireland in particular (-3.4% in GDP, USD -63.4 billion), and to a much lesser extent Belgium and Luxembourg (-0.7%) and the Netherlands (-0.5%), are the most affected countries. Agri-food products are less traded than manufactured ones and contribute less in total GDP. They will face however the largest increases in trade protection, both in terms of tariffs and non-tariff measures. Agri-food exports of the EU27 to the UK will decrease by USD 34 billion agri-food exports of the EU27 to the world will decrease by 4.1% (USD -27 billion). The most affected sectors (in value terms) are processed food (USD -10.5 billion, -4.7%),1 which is also the most exported (33% of EU27 agri-food exports), white meat (USD -5.2 billion, - 10.5%) and dairy (USD -4.6 billion, -7%). The Netherlands (USD -6.7 billion, -66%), Ireland (USD -6.5 billion, -71%) and France (USD -4.7 billion, -51%) undergo the largest drops in exports. Because of its tight relationship with the UK, of all EU27 countries, Ireland is affected the most by Brexit, and not only in agri-food sectors. In relative terms, its GDP decreases even more than UK's GDP (-3.4% vs -2.4%). This is explained by a drop in Irish agri-food exports to the UK and to the rest of the World, including EU27 countries as Irish production relies heavily on imported intermediates from the UK." So Davis hasnt commissioned any impact assessments because he can crib someone else's homework? it certainly look like it's entirely possible to model the effects of Brexit doesnt it? So have we failed to do it because we are a) idle b) complacent c) dim d) care not one jot or all 4 of the above. Time for Dexit.....Davis out of the door for being idle, useless, arrogant and as thick as mince. | |||
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"And another on the EU Agricultural Committee report EU-UK agri-trade following Brexit, some of its key findings are; the UK is currently the second largest EU28 country and is highly integrated with the EU27 in terms of trade and value chains. As a result, all the EU27 countries will be negatively affected by Brexit, the magnitude of the impact increasing with economic proximity to the UK. Ireland in particular (-3.4% in GDP, USD -63.4 billion), and to a much lesser extent Belgium and Luxembourg (-0.7%) and the Netherlands (-0.5%), are the most affected countries. Agri-food products are less traded than manufactured ones and contribute less in total GDP. They will face however the largest increases in trade protection, both in terms of tariffs and non-tariff measures. Agri-food exports of the EU27 to the UK will decrease by USD 34 billion agri-food exports of the EU27 to the world will decrease by 4.1% (USD -27 billion). The most affected sectors (in value terms) are processed food (USD -10.5 billion, -4.7%),1 which is also the most exported (33% of EU27 agri-food exports), white meat (USD -5.2 billion, - 10.5%) and dairy (USD -4.6 billion, -7%). The Netherlands (USD -6.7 billion, -66%), Ireland (USD -6.5 billion, -71%) and France (USD -4.7 billion, -51%) undergo the largest drops in exports. Because of its tight relationship with the UK, of all EU27 countries, Ireland is affected the most by Brexit, and not only in agri-food sectors. In relative terms, its GDP decreases even more than UK's GDP (-3.4% vs -2.4%). This is explained by a drop in Irish agri-food exports to the UK and to the rest of the World, including EU27 countries as Irish production relies heavily on imported intermediates from the UK. So Brexit will cause GDP to shrink by 2.4% (or £63bn). What kind of a moron would vote for that? " And look at what it does to the rest of the EU, what kind of morons wouldn't want to make a good deal with the UK? | |||
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