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"NO NO NO. why cant people respect the vote. if was other way around and we voted stay can we vote again so we can vote leave. " Well the Farage fella said 48-52 would be unfinished business. I'm a remainer btw and think we should vote on the deal | |||
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"even still it is completely wrong to have a revote, the country voted leave, we must leave, not stay if remain won and then everyone who voted leave, was out in protest, they would quickly dismiss that leave lost. and thats the end of story they would say. get over it people, and move on with your life, leave won and we are leaving the eu. businesses are booming up and down the country. " My work is certainly booming, once the Euro gets back to a civilized rate I'll be happier. Won't happen any time soon with the amount of doom and gloom lies that keep being spouted out by "experts". | |||
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"even still it is completely wrong to have a revote, the country voted leave, we must leave, not stay if remain won and then everyone who voted leave, was out in protest, they would quickly dismiss that leave lost. and thats the end of story they would say. get over it people, and move on with your life, leave won and we are leaving the eu. businesses are booming up and down the country. " Businesses are booming in the slowest growing economy in Europe? What world are you living in? | |||
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"NO NO NO. why cant people respect the vote. if was other way around and we voted stay can we vote again so we can vote leave. "  | |||
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"I agree we should stand by the vote. That's the democratic process. I do however thing it's going to leave us up shit creek, and the leave campaign totally failed to tell the public how much it actually would cost the nation. Every argument among the Tories pushes the power more out of our (the UK) hands and further into that of the EUs. We're in a right mess of our own creating, and sod all we, the public, can do about it now. I voted to stay in the EU, and for the Labour Party in the last general election, for the record. " Good post | |||
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"No new vote. Accept the result, even if you don't like it. That's how democracy works. In or out? I don't know. I didn't vote on it as I couldn't get behind either argument. " | |||
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"I'd support a second vote once we know the terms of the deal - there was no detail around the first vote - I don;t see it as being undemocratic, it would just either confirm the terms being offered to leave or reject the deal." I agree with this - it wont happen though as the two major political parties will see it as political suicide for the possibility of potentially pissing off atleast 50% of those who voted in the referendum. I do believe that at this point in time a lot of people who voted for brexit are disillusioned with it. Not the actual idea, but how unprepared our politicians are for negotiating when we are the 'small fish' in a big fish eats small fish world'. | |||
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"A definite no and would vote same again. A hard brexit gives us the best platform to get the deals after brexit that work for us not some cobbeled up compromise during brexit. The EU has lost us due to their over regulation. we are net contributers they need us more than we need them and we will save millions. Its Germany I feel sorry for they will be having to pick up the pieces. Just my opinion... Each to their own. I actually think these referendums are hugely damaging and costly. Id bring in a contitutional change that says we need say 60 or 70 percent of a vote to change before it carries not 51 percent. With issues as huge as these there needs to be a sizeable and Un arguable majority in favour of the major change voted on.... .. its OK ill get my hat and run for cover??!! Lol " I admire the fact that as a leave voter you admitted you think that in order for referendums to carry any weight they should have a statistically significant majority of the vote, not a slim margin. Bravo.
As it stands though, EU regulation is a blessing and curse, I'll be curious to know how the government wants to spin importing food from less regulated nations. | |||
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"So should we have a second ballot In Or out" No 2nd vote and the referendum result must be respected. We must leave the EU as Democratic results and the respect of democracy are a core principle and value of this country. Too many times in the EU countries have voted against the EU's wishes and been shoehorned into voting again until they give the 'right' answer in the EU's interest. The UK is not like that and we respect democracy in this country. | |||
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"So should we have a second ballot In Or out No 2nd vote and the referendum result must be respected. We must leave the EU as Democratic results and the respect of democracy are a core principle and value of this country. Too many times in the EU countries have voted against the EU's wishes and been shoehorned into voting again until they give the 'right' answer in the EU's interest. The UK is not like that and we respect democracy in this country. " We respect democracy so much, we shouldn't have anymore, huh centaur?  | |||
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"So should we have a second ballot In Or out No 2nd vote and the referendum result must be respected. We must leave the EU as Democratic results and the respect of democracy are a core principle and value of this country. Too many times in the EU countries have voted against the EU's wishes and been shoehorned into voting again until they give the 'right' answer in the EU's interest. The UK is not like that and we respect democracy in this country. We respect democracy so much, we shouldn't have anymore, huh centaur? "Ok in the interests of fairness you can have another vote on it in some 40 years time. That's how long we had to wait between the last one in the 1970's and the vote in June 2016. | |||
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"Too many times in the EU countries have voted against the EU's wishes and been shoehorned into voting again until they give the 'right' answer in the EU's interest." Not a thing that has happened. | |||
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"even still it is completely wrong to have a revote, the country voted leave, we must leave, not stay if remain won and then everyone who voted leave, was out in protest, they would quickly dismiss that leave lost. and thats the end of story they would say. get over it people, and move on with your life, leave won and we are leaving the eu. businesses are booming up and down the country. " If businesses are booming, how come our economy is growing slower than virtually all other major economies? | |||
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"So should we have a second ballot In Or out No 2nd vote and the referendum result must be respected. We must leave the EU as Democratic results and the respect of democracy are a core principle and value of this country. Too many times in the EU countries have voted against the EU's wishes and been shoehorned into voting again until they give the 'right' answer in the EU's interest. The UK is not like that and we respect democracy in this country. " We love democracy so much that we had a referendum to overturn the result of a referendum? When can we have another referendum to overturn the result of this clusterfuck? | |||
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"Too many times in the EU countries have voted against the EU's wishes and been shoehorned into voting again until they give the 'right' answer in the EU's interest. Not a thing that has happened." What is the matter with you? Don't you understand the rules? Facts are not welcome in this debate. You sound like one of those expert types....theyre not welcome either | |||
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"Too many times in the EU countries have voted against the EU's wishes and been shoehorned into voting again until they give the 'right' answer in the EU's interest. Not a thing that has happened." What about voting twice on the Lisbon treaty in Ireland? | |||
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"A snapshot on a particular day, with hardly anyone knowing the full facts (me included) and with many using it as a protest vote, should not dictate what happens for generations to come. As for 'will of the people', if that's your line then only 42% of people now want out apparently. Let's have a second referendum now people have a lot more facts and see how it turns out. If a majority still want to leave then I'll reluctantly accept it, but I cannot if things are left as they are." I think your right We didn’t and we’re not told all the facts Thus when we voted we voted in complete ignorance So I think people need to be able to change their minds in a second reforendum But it may not affect the result | |||
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"A snapshot on a particular day, with hardly anyone knowing the full facts (me included) and with many using it as a protest vote, should not dictate what happens for generations to come. As for 'will of the people', if that's your line then only 42% of people now want out apparently. Let's have a second referendum now people have a lot more facts and see how it turns out. If a majority still want to leave then I'll reluctantly accept it, but I cannot if things are left as they are. I think your right We didn’t and we’re not told all the facts Thus when we voted we voted in complete ignorance So I think people need to be able to change their minds in a second reforendum But it may not affect the result " Everyone had the facts during the referendum campaign the information was there for people to digest. You just don't like the result so you are saying people must be thick or ignorant to vote the way they did, sorry but I give the Great British public more credit than that. Leave had a better campaign and had the more powerful arguments that's why they won. If there was another vote I'd vote Leave again. | |||
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"A snapshot on a particular day, with hardly anyone knowing the full facts (me included) and with many using it as a protest vote, should not dictate what happens for generations to come. As for 'will of the people', if that's your line then only 42% of people now want out apparently. Let's have a second referendum now people have a lot more facts and see how it turns out. If a majority still want to leave then I'll reluctantly accept it, but I cannot if things are left as they are. I think your right We didn’t and we’re not told all the facts Thus when we voted we voted in complete ignorance So I think people need to be able to change their minds in a second reforendum But it may not affect the result Everyone had the facts during the referendum campaign the information was there for people to digest. You just don't like the result so you are saying people must be thick or ignorant to vote the way they did, sorry but I give the Great British public more credit than that. Leave had a better campaign and had the more powerful arguments that's why they won. If there was another vote I'd vote Leave again. " I agree with some of this post - Leave did have the better campaign, but it's only after the event have we found out some of the "tricks" which it so cleverly used. It doesn't mean it was right. As for people were well informed is another matter! Yes information was out there if you bothered or even knew where to look. The immigration control was very toxic yet no one asked why we let in more in from the rest of the world than the EU? No one mentioned the 3 month rule for EU nationals - because both red & blue governments didnt implement them - problems solved. People listened and believed everything they were told and every warning was "project fear". So yes people had some facts but chose to ignore other facts. It's quite incredible to hear we haven't crashed as predicted - But we haven't left yet. All we have experienced is sterling tanking. Nobody knows what is going to happen - either side so let's just see. Given U.S. want to give us a trade deal - then slap a 300% tax on bombardier and block the WTO sharing of trade agreed by the UK /EU - so much for the special relationship. | |||
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"A snapshot on a particular day, with hardly anyone knowing the full facts (me included) and with many using it as a protest vote, should not dictate what happens for generations to come. As for 'will of the people', if that's your line then only 42% of people now want out apparently. Let's have a second referendum now people have a lot more facts and see how it turns out. If a majority still want to leave then I'll reluctantly accept it, but I cannot if things are left as they are. I think your right We didn’t and we’re not told all the facts Thus when we voted we voted in complete ignorance So I think people need to be able to change their minds in a second reforendum But it may not affect the result Everyone had the facts during the referendum campaign the information was there for people to digest. You just don't like the result so you are saying people must be thick or ignorant to vote the way they did, sorry but I give the Great British public more credit than that. Leave had a better campaign and had the more powerful arguments that's why they won. If there was another vote I'd vote Leave again. " touched a nerve there I think, I certainly don't think the GBP are thick, lol. I must be very ignorant I certainly didn't know all the facts either..  | |||
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"A snapshot on a particular day, with hardly anyone knowing the full facts (me included) and with many using it as a protest vote, should not dictate what happens for generations to come. As for 'will of the people', if that's your line then only 42% of people now want out apparently. Let's have a second referendum now people have a lot more facts and see how it turns out. If a majority still want to leave then I'll reluctantly accept it, but I cannot if things are left as they are. I think your right We didn’t and we’re not told all the facts Thus when we voted we voted in complete ignorance So I think people need to be able to change their minds in a second reforendum But it may not affect the result Everyone had the facts during the referendum campaign the information was there for people to digest. You just don't like the result so you are saying people must be thick or ignorant to vote the way they did, sorry but I give the Great British public more credit than that. Leave had a better campaign and had the more powerful arguments that's why they won. If there was another vote I'd vote Leave again. I agree with some of this post - Leave did have the better campaign, but it's only after the event have we found out some of the "tricks" which it so cleverly used. It doesn't mean it was right. As for people were well informed is another matter! Yes information was out there if you bothered or even knew where to look. The immigration control was very toxic yet no one asked why we let in more in from the rest of the world than the EU? No one mentioned the 3 month rule for EU nationals - because both red & blue governments didnt implement them - problems solved. People listened and believed everything they were told and every warning was "project fear". So yes people had some facts but chose to ignore other facts. It's quite incredible to hear we haven't crashed as predicted - But we haven't left yet. All we have experienced is sterling tanking. Nobody knows what is going to happen - either side so let's just see. Given U.S. want to give us a trade deal - then slap a 300% tax on bombardier and block the WTO sharing of trade agreed by the UK /EU - so much for the special relationship. " thanks that was a good clear response | |||
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"A snapshot on a particular day, with hardly anyone knowing the full facts (me included) and with many using it as a protest vote, should not dictate what happens for generations to come. As for 'will of the people', if that's your line then only 42% of people now want out apparently. Let's have a second referendum now people have a lot more facts and see how it turns out. If a majority still want to leave then I'll reluctantly accept it, but I cannot if things are left as they are. I think your right We didn’t and we’re not told all the facts Thus when we voted we voted in complete ignorance So I think people need to be able to change their minds in a second reforendum But it may not affect the result Everyone had the facts during the referendum campaign the information was there for people to digest. You just don't like the result so you are saying people must be thick or ignorant to vote the way they did, sorry but I give the Great British public more credit than that. Leave had a better campaign and had the more powerful arguments that's why they won. If there was another vote I'd vote Leave again. I agree with some of this post - Leave did have the better campaign, but it's only after the event have we found out some of the "tricks" which it so cleverly used. It doesn't mean it was right. As for people were well informed is another matter! Yes information was out there if you bothered or even knew where to look. The immigration control was very toxic yet no one asked why we let in more in from the rest of the world than the EU? No one mentioned the 3 month rule for EU nationals - because both red & blue governments didnt implement them - problems solved. People listened and believed everything they were told and every warning was "project fear". So yes people had some facts but chose to ignore other facts. It's quite incredible to hear we haven't crashed as predicted - But we haven't left yet. All we have experienced is sterling tanking. Nobody knows what is going to happen - either side so let's just see. Given U.S. want to give us a trade deal - then slap a 300% tax on bombardier and block the WTO sharing of trade agreed by the UK /EU - so much for the special relationship. " You are aware that Bombardier are a Canadian firm? | |||
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"Accept the bloody result . We did the first time around when we were suckered into the common market . I've waited a long time for this . If you backed a horse would you want to keep running the race until yours won . Some people need to get a life ." Hi I don't disagree, in fact I voted out.. the reason for my post was due to a selection of political views in the last few days suggesting we as a nation should vote again.. | |||
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"even still it is completely wrong to have a revote, the country voted leave, we must leave, not stay if remain won and then everyone who voted leave, was out in protest, they would quickly dismiss that leave lost. and thats the end of story they would say. get over it people, and move on with your life, leave won and we are leaving the eu. businesses are booming up and down the country. Businesses are booming in the slowest growing economy in Europe? What world are you living in? " The real world. The UK exports sector and tourism industry are booming because of the lower value of the pound. The figures released by the ONS this morning showed the UK economy grew by 0.4% between June and September, so over a year after the vote still no sign of the recession the bullshit remain campaign predicted. UK banks have also released a report today saying there has been a good increase in the number of mortgages approved this year which is another sign of a strong economy. | |||
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" The UK exports sector and tourism industry are booming because of the lower value of the pound. "  | |||
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"Can I remind people that attacking a poster is not allowed on the forum. You might find if you keep doing it you will end up with a perm If you are going to debate, do it without attacking people https://www.fabswingers.com/content/forum-rules" Thanks | |||
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"So should we have a second ballot In Or out" what a silly question, there will be no second ballot the majority voted to Leave | |||
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"So should we have a second ballot In Or out what a silly question, there will be no second ballot the majority voted to Leave" But Scotland should have a second independence referendum, right? | |||
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"the brextremists are clearly of the opinion that if there is another referendum then the outcome would be an overwhelming landslide to remain .... there is no other conceivable reason why they would be so vocal as regards to blocking another vote .... you can almost hear the nervous twitching that their arseholes are making at the thought of a second vote" That is a really good point actually. It does make you wonder why the Brexit pushers want to stifle debate and eliminate any discussion or argument and just “get on with it.” In life it is absolutely normal and correct to assess the situation that you find yourself and react in a way to maintain your best interest. It is bizarre beyond belief that even Brexiters who allegedly have the good of the country at heart would not want to hold the Government to account and require Parliament and the people to vote on the final Brexit deal. Without that stick against their back, there is no motivation for David Davis and Co to make any effort whatsoever because they are not being held accountable. | |||
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"Without that stick against their back, there is no motivation for David Davis and Co to make any effort whatsoever because they are not being held accountable. " Fully agree. Personally, I can't say with complete conviction whether leaving Europe would mean the average person is better off as a result or not.... However, it makes sense for the exit plan to be reviewed and political pressure is applied to those in charge to ensure it's a plan worth executing. | |||
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"So should we have a second ballot In Or out" Not sure how this will play out but there is a sense at the moment that David Davis and Co are fucking it up. No surprise really when they all said initially how easy it was going to be on account of the fact that they actually knew little, if anything about the EU and the UK’s relationship to it. Unless Brexit negotiations improve in pace and transparency very quickly, I foresee the whole Brexit issue firstly becoming quagmired in Parliament. The Government, the Opposition and the people do not want the country to be in limbo for years and that is where we are heading at the moment. If this doesn’t change then something will have to happen in the way of another election or a referendum on the deal. | |||
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"the brextremists are clearly of the opinion that if there is another referendum then the outcome would be an overwhelming landslide to remain .... there is no other conceivable reason why they would be so vocal as regards to blocking another vote .... you can almost hear the nervous twitching that their arseholes are making at the thought of a second vote" for gods sake we had a vote deal with it . if you can't abide by the decision go live in Europe . we don't want another referendum end of . my bottoms not twitching .its the remoaners that keep harping on that's what makes me twitch .sore losers I'll vote leave any and every time .stick that in your pipe | |||
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"Yes. A referendum that is both upon the terms of exit and whether it is wanted. It should then be up to our elected politicians to also vote, after having all details of the deal. I'd vote to remain as it is ever clearer that it is not in the UKs interest to leave. " cobblers | |||
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"the brextremists are clearly of the opinion that if there is another referendum then the outcome would be an overwhelming landslide to remain .... there is no other conceivable reason why they would be so vocal as regards to blocking another vote .... you can almost hear the nervous twitching that their arseholes are making at the thought of a second vote for gods sake we had a vote deal with it . if you can't abide by the decision go live in Europe . we don't want another referendum end of . my bottoms not twitching .its the remoaners that keep harping on that's what makes me twitch .sore losers I'll vote leave any and every time .stick that in your pipe " it's this kind of supposition and overly hostile post that proves what i set out is a fact | |||
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"The problem or I should say the "true facts" are nobody knows what will happen once we leave. That statement covers both sides of the debate! It's just a lot of people pontificating! When I say no one I mean absolutely no one on the planet. It's never happened before, just like when the 1st atomic bomb was dropped no one knew what damage would occur. So whether it's project fear or fantasy until it happens and we see the results, only then will we be in a position to make an informed judgement." A very valid point but perhaps when stepping into the unkonwn there should be a fall back position. Hope for the best but prepare for the worst. | |||
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"the brextremists are clearly of the opinion that if there is another referendum then the outcome would be an overwhelming landslide to remain .... there is no other conceivable reason why they would be so vocal as regards to blocking another vote .... you can almost hear the nervous twitching that their arseholes are making at the thought of a second vote That is a really good point actually. It does make you wonder why the Brexit pushers want to stifle debate and eliminate any discussion or argument and just “get on with it.” In life it is absolutely normal and correct to assess the situation that you find yourself and react in a way to maintain your best interest. It is bizarre beyond belief that even Brexiters who allegedly have the good of the country at heart would not want to hold the Government to account and require Parliament and the people to vote on the final Brexit deal. Without that stick against their back, there is no motivation for David Davis and Co to make any effort whatsoever because they are not being held accountable. " It's basic psychology around public stating of opinions. Few have the mental strength to change their mind (especially in public... Or even an anonymous forum!) and anchor themselves do or die to the original prophecy. | |||
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"the brextremists are clearly of the opinion that if there is another referendum then the outcome would be an overwhelming landslide to remain .... there is no other conceivable reason why they would be so vocal as regards to blocking another vote .... you can almost hear the nervous twitching that their arseholes are making at the thought of a second votefor gods sake we had a vote deal with it . if you can't abide by the decision go live in Europe . we don't want another referendum end of . my bottoms not twitching .its the remoaners that keep harping on that's what makes me twitch .sore losers I'll vote leave any and every time .stick that in your pipe " Ideologically backed plans never work out though do they? I mean there you are in a cushy job and your boss comes over and says - I've got a new role for you if you want to give it a go?... You might get more money, more job satisfaction, and less stress. On the other hand, you may end up working longer, achieving less and earning less. Tell you what - why don't you try it and if it doesn't work out you can have your old job back, same terms and same conditions. Are you the person who refuses the offer to have your old job back if the new one isn't working out?? You made your decision and because it was the wrong one you are going to suffer rather than change your mind - even if you are encouraged to do so by people who are looking out for you?? | |||
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"Ffs not this subject again. There was a vote . Leave won . The End !!" If only life were so simple lol | |||
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"the brextremists are clearly of the opinion that if there is another referendum then the outcome would be an overwhelming landslide to remain .... there is no other conceivable reason why they would be so vocal as regards to blocking another vote .... you can almost hear the nervous twitching that their arseholes are making at the thought of a second votefor gods sake we had a vote deal with it . if you can't abide by the decision go live in Europe . we don't want another referendum end of . my bottoms not twitching .its the remoaners that keep harping on that's what makes me twitch .sore losers I'll vote leave any and every time .stick that in your pipe Ideologically backed plans never work out though do they? I mean there you are in a cushy job and your boss comes over and says - I've got a new role for you if you want to give it a go?... You might get more money, more job satisfaction, and less stress. On the other hand, you may end up working longer, achieving less and earning less. Tell you what - why don't you try it and if it doesn't work out you can have your old job back, same terms and same conditions. Are you the person who refuses the offer to have your old job back if the new one isn't working out?? You made your decision and because it was the wrong one you are going to suffer rather than change your mind - even if you are encouraged to do so by people who are looking out for you??" Sorry but that really is nonsense. Having our old job back as you put it (staying in the EU) wouldn't come with the same conditions as before. If we choose to remain now the EU would want concessions from us such as joining the Euro or accepting more unconditional EU integration (exactly what a majority of people who voted Leave oppose and was a reason why many voted Leave in the first place). You heard the future direction that the EU is headed in from Jean Claude Juncker in his state of the union address speech and he set out more integration and more ever closer union for those in the club, ultimately it will turn into a federalist United States of Europe. Brexiters don't want any part in that future vision for the EU the country made its choice to Leave and we will stick to it. | |||
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"Ffs not this subject again. There was a vote . Leave won . The End !! If only life were so simple lol" It is. We are leaving . Who knows if it's good or bad yet . But we are !! | |||
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"Sorry but that really is nonsense. Having our old job back as you put it (staying in the EU) wouldn't come with the same conditions as before. If we choose to remain now the EU would want concessions from us such as joining the Euro or accepting more unconditional EU integration (exactly what a majority of people who voted Leave oppose and was a reason why many voted Leave in the first place). " I hear they'd want the first born of every English house to be shipped to the continent to be eaten by the French. Y'know, as long as we're making shit up, might as well push the boat out. | |||
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"the brextremists are clearly of the opinion that if there is another referendum then the outcome would be an overwhelming landslide to remain .... there is no other conceivable reason why they would be so vocal as regards to blocking another vote .... you can almost hear the nervous twitching that their arseholes are making at the thought of a second votefor gods sake we had a vote deal with it . if you can't abide by the decision go live in Europe . we don't want another referendum end of . my bottoms not twitching .its the remoaners that keep harping on that's what makes me twitch .sore losers I'll vote leave any and every time .stick that in your pipe Ideologically backed plans never work out though do they? I mean there you are in a cushy job and your boss comes over and says - I've got a new role for you if you want to give it a go?... You might get more money, more job satisfaction, and less stress. On the other hand, you may end up working longer, achieving less and earning less. Tell you what - why don't you try it and if it doesn't work out you can have your old job back, same terms and same conditions. Are you the person who refuses the offer to have your old job back if the new one isn't working out?? You made your decision and because it was the wrong one you are going to suffer rather than change your mind - even if you are encouraged to do so by people who are looking out for you?? Sorry but that really is nonsense. Having our old job back as you put it (staying in the EU) wouldn't come with the same conditions as before. If we choose to remain now the EU would want concessions from us such as joining the Euro or accepting more unconditional EU integration (exactly what a majority of people who voted Leave oppose and was a reason why many voted Leave in the first place). You heard the future direction that the EU is headed in from Jean Claude Juncker in his state of the union address speech and he set out more integration and more ever closer union for those in the club, ultimately it will turn into a federalist United States of Europe. Brexiters don't want any part in that future vision for the EU the country made its choice to Leave and we will stick to it. " | |||
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"the brextremists are clearly of the opinion that if there is another referendum then the outcome would be an overwhelming landslide to remain .... there is no other conceivable reason why they would be so vocal as regards to blocking another vote .... you can almost hear the nervous twitching that their arseholes are making at the thought of a second votefor gods sake we had a vote deal with it . if you can't abide by the decision go live in Europe . we don't want another referendum end of . my bottoms not twitching .its the remoaners that keep harping on that's what makes me twitch .sore losers I'll vote leave any and every time .stick that in your pipe Ideologically backed plans never work out though do they? I mean there you are in a cushy job and your boss comes over and says - I've got a new role for you if you want to give it a go?... You might get more money, more job satisfaction, and less stress. On the other hand, you may end up working longer, achieving less and earning less. Tell you what - why don't you try it and if it doesn't work out you can have your old job back, same terms and same conditions. Are you the person who refuses the offer to have your old job back if the new one isn't working out?? You made your decision and because it was the wrong one you are going to suffer rather than change your mind - even if you are encouraged to do so by people who are looking out for you?? Sorry but that really is nonsense. Having our old job back as you put it (staying in the EU) wouldn't come with the same conditions as before. If we choose to remain now the EU would want concessions from us such as joining the Euro or accepting more unconditional EU integration (exactly what a majority of people who voted Leave oppose and was a reason why many voted Leave in the first place). You heard the future direction that the EU is headed in from Jean Claude Juncker in his state of the union address speech and he set out more integration and more ever closer union for those in the club, ultimately it will turn into a federalist United States of Europe. Brexiters don't want any part in that future vision for the EU the country made its choice to Leave and we will stick to it. " You have no proof whatsoever about what the EU would want from the U.K. We heard from the EU just the other day that no Brexit was still an option and there were absolutely no conditions attached whatsoever. Talk about Project Fear.... The U.K. was never part of Shengen and would never have to be. It has never had open borders but was probably the only EU country to fail in properly managing inward EU migration. The rules that everyone else adheres to, the U.K. couldn’t be bothered. The EU rebate would not be going away and we would not be joining the Euro. Further, Cameron negotiated an opt out of an ever closer Union and that too would still be there. The blindingly obvious here is that Brexiters don’t want debate or discussion, nor do they want anything that could possibly highlight the sheer madness of what is actually going on at the moment with David Davis & Co. | |||
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"the brextremists are clearly of the opinion that if there is another referendum then the outcome would be an overwhelming landslide to remain .... there is no other conceivable reason why they would be so vocal as regards to blocking another vote .... you can almost hear the nervous twitching that their arseholes are making at the thought of a second votefor gods sake we had a vote deal with it . if you can't abide by the decision go live in Europe . we don't want another referendum end of . my bottoms not twitching .its the remoaners that keep harping on that's what makes me twitch .sore losers I'll vote leave any and every time .stick that in your pipe Ideologically backed plans never work out though do they? I mean there you are in a cushy job and your boss comes over and says - I've got a new role for you if you want to give it a go?... You might get more money, more job satisfaction, and less stress. On the other hand, you may end up working longer, achieving less and earning less. Tell you what - why don't you try it and if it doesn't work out you can have your old job back, same terms and same conditions. Are you the person who refuses the offer to have your old job back if the new one isn't working out?? You made your decision and because it was the wrong one you are going to suffer rather than change your mind - even if you are encouraged to do so by people who are looking out for you?? Sorry but that really is nonsense. Having our old job back as you put it (staying in the EU) wouldn't come with the same conditions as before. If we choose to remain now the EU would want concessions from us such as joining the Euro or accepting more unconditional EU integration (exactly what a majority of people who voted Leave oppose and was a reason why many voted Leave in the first place). You heard the future direction that the EU is headed in from Jean Claude Juncker in his state of the union address speech and he set out more integration and more ever closer union for those in the club, ultimately it will turn into a federalist United States of Europe. Brexiters don't want any part in that future vision for the EU the country made its choice to Leave and we will stick to it. You have no proof whatsoever about what the EU would want from the U.K. We heard from the EU just the other day that no Brexit was still an option and there were absolutely no conditions attached whatsoever. Talk about Project Fear.... The U.K. was never part of Shengen and would never have to be. It has never had open borders but was probably the only EU country to fail in properly managing inward EU migration. The rules that everyone else adheres to, the U.K. couldn’t be bothered. The EU rebate would not be going away and we would not be joining the Euro. Further, Cameron negotiated an opt out of an ever closer Union and that too would still be there. The blindingly obvious here is that Brexiters don’t want debate or discussion, nor do they want anything that could possibly highlight the sheer madness of what is actually going on at the moment with David Davis & Co." Ok so if we decided brexit were to be reversed and the EU turn round and say only on these new conditions what then? | |||
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"the brextremists are clearly of the opinion that if there is another referendum then the outcome would be an overwhelming landslide to remain .... there is no other conceivable reason why they would be so vocal as regards to blocking another vote .... you can almost hear the nervous twitching that their arseholes are making at the thought of a second votefor gods sake we had a vote deal with it . if you can't abide by the decision go live in Europe . we don't want another referendum end of . my bottoms not twitching .its the remoaners that keep harping on that's what makes me twitch .sore losers I'll vote leave any and every time .stick that in your pipe Ideologically backed plans never work out though do they? I mean there you are in a cushy job and your boss comes over and says - I've got a new role for you if you want to give it a go?... You might get more money, more job satisfaction, and less stress. On the other hand, you may end up working longer, achieving less and earning less. Tell you what - why don't you try it and if it doesn't work out you can have your old job back, same terms and same conditions. Are you the person who refuses the offer to have your old job back if the new one isn't working out?? You made your decision and because it was the wrong one you are going to suffer rather than change your mind - even if you are encouraged to do so by people who are looking out for you?? Sorry but that really is nonsense. Having our old job back as you put it (staying in the EU) wouldn't come with the same conditions as before. If we choose to remain now the EU would want concessions from us such as joining the Euro or accepting more unconditional EU integration (exactly what a majority of people who voted Leave oppose and was a reason why many voted Leave in the first place). You heard the future direction that the EU is headed in from Jean Claude Juncker in his state of the union address speech and he set out more integration and more ever closer union for those in the club, ultimately it will turn into a federalist United States of Europe. Brexiters don't want any part in that future vision for the EU the country made its choice to Leave and we will stick to it. You have no proof whatsoever about what the EU would want from the U.K. We heard from the EU just the other day that no Brexit was still an option and there were absolutely no conditions attached whatsoever. Talk about Project Fear.... The U.K. was never part of Shengen and would never have to be. It has never had open borders but was probably the only EU country to fail in properly managing inward EU migration. The rules that everyone else adheres to, the U.K. couldn’t be bothered. The EU rebate would not be going away and we would not be joining the Euro. Further, Cameron negotiated an opt out of an ever closer Union and that too would still be there. The blindingly obvious here is that Brexiters don’t want debate or discussion, nor do they want anything that could possibly highlight the sheer madness of what is actually going on at the moment with David Davis & Co. Ok so if we decided brexit were to be reversed and the EU turn round and say only on these new conditions what then?" . I would think there's some remainers on here that would take anything the EU offered just to stay in going by there posts on here . | |||
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"the brextremists are clearly of the opinion that if there is another referendum then the outcome would be an overwhelming landslide to remain .... there is no other conceivable reason why they would be so vocal as regards to blocking another vote .... you can almost hear the nervous twitching that their arseholes are making at the thought of a second votefor gods sake we had a vote deal with it . if you can't abide by the decision go live in Europe . we don't want another referendum end of . my bottoms not twitching .its the remoaners that keep harping on that's what makes me twitch .sore losers I'll vote leave any and every time .stick that in your pipe Ideologically backed plans never work out though do they? I mean there you are in a cushy job and your boss comes over and says - I've got a new role for you if you want to give it a go?... You might get more money, more job satisfaction, and less stress. On the other hand, you may end up working longer, achieving less and earning less. Tell you what - why don't you try it and if it doesn't work out you can have your old job back, same terms and same conditions. Are you the person who refuses the offer to have your old job back if the new one isn't working out?? You made your decision and because it was the wrong one you are going to suffer rather than change your mind - even if you are encouraged to do so by people who are looking out for you?? Sorry but that really is nonsense. Having our old job back as you put it (staying in the EU) wouldn't come with the same conditions as before. If we choose to remain now the EU would want concessions from us such as joining the Euro or accepting more unconditional EU integration (exactly what a majority of people who voted Leave oppose and was a reason why many voted Leave in the first place). You heard the future direction that the EU is headed in from Jean Claude Juncker in his state of the union address speech and he set out more integration and more ever closer union for those in the club, ultimately it will turn into a federalist United States of Europe. Brexiters don't want any part in that future vision for the EU the country made its choice to Leave and we will stick to it. You have no proof whatsoever about what the EU would want from the U.K. We heard from the EU just the other day that no Brexit was still an option and there were absolutely no conditions attached whatsoever. Talk about Project Fear.... The U.K. was never part of Shengen and would never have to be. It has never had open borders but was probably the only EU country to fail in properly managing inward EU migration. The rules that everyone else adheres to, the U.K. couldn’t be bothered. The EU rebate would not be going away and we would not be joining the Euro. Further, Cameron negotiated an opt out of an ever closer Union and that too would still be there. The blindingly obvious here is that Brexiters don’t want debate or discussion, nor do they want anything that could possibly highlight the sheer madness of what is actually going on at the moment with David Davis & Co. Ok so if we decided brexit were to be reversed and the EU turn round and say only on these new conditions what then?. I would think there's some remainers on here that would take anything the EU offered just to stay in going by there posts on here ." Yes I agree but then there are some leavers with the same mind set, I do think however this government are trying their best to fuck thing up. | |||
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"the brextremists are clearly of the opinion that if there is another referendum then the outcome would be an overwhelming landslide to remain .... there is no other conceivable reason why they would be so vocal as regards to blocking another vote .... you can almost hear the nervous twitching that their arseholes are making at the thought of a second votefor gods sake we had a vote deal with it . if you can't abide by the decision go live in Europe . we don't want another referendum end of . my bottoms not twitching .its the remoaners that keep harping on that's what makes me twitch .sore losers I'll vote leave any and every time .stick that in your pipe Ideologically backed plans never work out though do they? I mean there you are in a cushy job and your boss comes over and says - I've got a new role for you if you want to give it a go?... You might get more money, more job satisfaction, and less stress. On the other hand, you may end up working longer, achieving less and earning less. Tell you what - why don't you try it and if it doesn't work out you can have your old job back, same terms and same conditions. Are you the person who refuses the offer to have your old job back if the new one isn't working out?? You made your decision and because it was the wrong one you are going to suffer rather than change your mind - even if you are encouraged to do so by people who are looking out for you?? Sorry but that really is nonsense. Having our old job back as you put it (staying in the EU) wouldn't come with the same conditions as before. If we choose to remain now the EU would want concessions from us such as joining the Euro or accepting more unconditional EU integration (exactly what a majority of people who voted Leave oppose and was a reason why many voted Leave in the first place). You heard the future direction that the EU is headed in from Jean Claude Juncker in his state of the union address speech and he set out more integration and more ever closer union for those in the club, ultimately it will turn into a federalist United States of Europe. Brexiters don't want any part in that future vision for the EU the country made its choice to Leave and we will stick to it. You have no proof whatsoever about what the EU would want from the U.K. We heard from the EU just the other day that no Brexit was still an option and there were absolutely no conditions attached whatsoever. Talk about Project Fear.... The U.K. was never part of Shengen and would never have to be. It has never had open borders but was probably the only EU country to fail in properly managing inward EU migration. The rules that everyone else adheres to, the U.K. couldn’t be bothered. The EU rebate would not be going away and we would not be joining the Euro. Further, Cameron negotiated an opt out of an ever closer Union and that too would still be there. The blindingly obvious here is that Brexiters don’t want debate or discussion, nor do they want anything that could possibly highlight the sheer madness of what is actually going on at the moment with David Davis & Co." The proof is in Jean Claude Junckers state of the union address speech made in the European parliament a few months ago, maybe you missed it? It clearly set out the future direction of the EU and what is expected of members of the club moving forwards. Just a few things that were mentioned in his speech, plans for an EU army, more ever closer union and more closer monetary union (more members expected to join the Euro), more countries to join like Macedonia, Albania and Montenegro, basically everything that Brexiters don't want the EU made it clear they want the complete opposite. | |||
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"and true to form, every post by the brextremists on this thread so far, reinforces the fact that they are absolutely shitting themselves because they realise that a second referendum would be a landslide remain "Susan put your blouse back on your nipples are showing. | |||
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"and true to form, every post by the brextremists on this thread so far, reinforces the fact that they are absolutely shitting themselves because they realise that a second referendum would be a landslide remain "So if we had another vote and leave win again , would you then finally accept it ?? | |||
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"and true to form, every post by the brextremists on this thread so far, reinforces the fact that they are absolutely shitting themselves because they realise that a second referendum would be a landslide remain So if we had another vote and leave win again , would you then finally accept it ??"so what makes you think that you know how i voted in the first place? ... i'm just pointing out facts here chap | |||
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"and true to form, every post by the brextremists on this thread so far, reinforces the fact that they are absolutely shitting themselves because they realise that a second referendum would be a landslide remain So if we had another vote and leave win again , would you then finally accept it ??
so what makes you think that you know how i voted in the first place? ... i'm just pointing out facts here chap "Have you spoken to ALL leave votes then and asked them if they are shitting themselves then cos if not you are not stating facts. | |||
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"and true to form, every post by the brextremists on this thread so far, reinforces the fact that they are absolutely shitting themselves because they realise that a second referendum would be a landslide remain So if we had another vote and leave win again , would you then finally accept it ??
so what makes you think that you know how i voted in the first place? ... i'm just pointing out facts here chap "Well as you called brexiteers " they" it's fairly obvious . And I'm not having a go I'm just curious | |||
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"and true to form, every post by the brextremists on this thread so far, reinforces the fact that they are absolutely shitting themselves because they realise that a second referendum would be a landslide remain So if we had another vote and leave win again , would you then finally accept it ??
so what makes you think that you know how i voted in the first place? ... i'm just pointing out facts here chap Well as you called brexiteers " they" it's fairly obvious . And I'm not having a go I'm just curious "the words you chose show that your post was based on surmise | |||
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"and true to form, every post by the brextremists on this thread so far, reinforces the fact that they are absolutely shitting themselves because they realise that a second referendum would be a landslide remain So if we had another vote and leave win again , would you then finally accept it ??
so what makes you think that you know how i voted in the first place? ... i'm just pointing out facts here chap Well as you called brexiteers " they" it's fairly obvious . And I'm not having a go I'm just curious
the words you chose show that your post was based on surmise "Yes it was lol | |||
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"and true to form, every post by the brextremists on this thread so far, reinforces the fact that they are absolutely shitting themselves because they realise that a second referendum would be a landslide remain So if we had another vote and leave win again , would you then finally accept it ??
so what makes you think that you know how i voted in the first place? ... i'm just pointing out facts here chap
Have you spoken to ALL leave votes then and asked them if they are shitting themselves then cos if not you are not stating facts."I guarantee that every leave voter alive today, has taken a shit since the referendum  | |||
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"and true to form, every post by the brextremists on this thread so far, reinforces the fact that they are absolutely shitting themselves because they realise that a second referendum would be a landslide remain So if we had another vote and leave win again , would you then finally accept it ??
so what makes you think that you know how i voted in the first place? ... i'm just pointing out facts here chap
Have you spoken to ALL leave votes then and asked them if they are shitting themselves then cos if not you are not stating facts.
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"and true to form, every post by the brextremists on this thread so far, reinforces the fact that they are absolutely shitting themselves because they realise that a second referendum would be a landslide remain So if we had another vote and leave win again , would you then finally accept it ??"In normal times you could reasonably expect that people would monitor their lives on an ongoing basis and make corrections as they want along to avoid purposely getting run over by a vehicle, falling out of windows and otherwise putting themselves in peril. A little bit like an aircraft that takes off and discovers that it has a mechanical issue. Better land or return and take stock before continuing. Of course these are not normal times and as we see in this thread people make up anything they want to present as a fact and pursue an ideological course irrespective of the damage it could cause to them or those close to them. The reality is that the U.K. did need a change and still will whether Brexit happens or not. Those who felt unrepresented voted to change something that is not going to change them feeling unrepresented. The system of Govt in this country needs changing, not our relationship with our close neighbours. | |||
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"and true to form, every post by the brextremists on this thread so far, reinforces the fact that they are absolutely shitting themselves because they realise that a second referendum would be a landslide remain So if we had another vote and leave win again , would you then finally accept it ??
In normal times you could reasonably expect that people would monitor their lives on an ongoing basis and make corrections as they want along to avoid purposely getting run over by a vehicle, falling out of windows and otherwise putting themselves in peril. A little bit like an aircraft that takes off and discovers that it has a mechanical issue. Better land or return and take stock before continuing.
Of course these are not normal times and as we see in this thread people make up anything they want to present as a fact and pursue an ideological course irrespective of the damage it could cause to them or those close to them.
The reality is that the U.K. did need a change and still will whether Brexit happens or not. Those who felt unrepresented voted to change something that is not going to change them feeling unrepresented. The system of Govt in this country needs changing, not our relationship with our close neighbours. "you left out standing in the edge of a cliff lol | |||
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"and true to form, every post by the brextremists on this thread so far, reinforces the fact that they are absolutely shitting themselves because they realise that a second referendum would be a landslide remain So if we had another vote and leave win again , would you then finally accept it ??
so what makes you think that you know how i voted in the first place? ... i'm just pointing out facts here chap
Have you spoken to ALL leave votes then and asked them if they are shitting themselves then cos if not you are not stating facts.
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"My opinon i dont think anyone can really claim the UK voted to leave the EU two countries in the UK voted to leave Now if England and Wales wish to leave am all for it good luck but Scotland and N.Ireland didnt vote to leave the EU So once the final brext deal is know Scotland will have an independence referendum to see if we agree to the final brexit dealor would rather independence Now considering the reports out there that Scotland will be £30 Billon worse off in the UK brexit i think Scottish people have the right to know but the Tories do not want it published why not have they got something to hide So in all i cant really talk for England and Wales as they voted to leave and that has to be respected but Scotland and N.Ireland didnt vote to leave the EU and that also has to be respected" It wasn't a devolved vote, it was a UK wide vote and the UK as a whole voted to leave the EU. Leave won by around a million votes and just over a million people in Scotland voted Leave in the EU referendum. Those Scots who voted Leave pushed Brexit over the winning line. | |||
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"My opinon i dont think anyone can really claim the UK voted to leave the EU two countries in the UK voted to leave Now if England and Wales wish to leave am all for it good luck but Scotland and N.Ireland didnt vote to leave the EU So once the final brext deal is know Scotland will have an independence referendum to see if we agree to the final brexit dealor would rather independence Now considering the reports out there that Scotland will be £30 Billon worse off in the UK brexit i think Scottish people have the right to know but the Tories do not want it published why not have they got something to hide So in all i cant really talk for England and Wales as they voted to leave and that has to be respected but Scotland and N.Ireland didnt vote to leave the EU and that also has to be respected It wasn't a devolved vote, it was a UK wide vote and the UK as a whole voted to leave the EU. Leave won by around a million votes and just over a million people in Scotland voted Leave in the EU referendum. Those Scots who voted Leave pushed Brexit over the winning line. "So are you afraid to give the Scottish voters a independence referendum once the final brexit deal is known ? You cannot hide that Scotland didnt vote for brexit If it is true and Scotland will be £30billion worse off in a UK brexit you willing to accept that ? | |||
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"My opinon i dont think anyone can really claim the UK voted to leave the EU two countries in the UK voted to leave Now if England and Wales wish to leave am all for it good luck but Scotland and N.Ireland didnt vote to leave the EU So once the final brext deal is know Scotland will have an independence referendum to see if we agree to the final brexit dealor would rather independence Now considering the reports out there that Scotland will be £30 Billon worse off in the UK brexit i think Scottish people have the right to know but the Tories do not want it published why not have they got something to hide So in all i cant really talk for England and Wales as they voted to leave and that has to be respected but Scotland and N.Ireland didnt vote to leave the EU and that also has to be respected It wasn't a devolved vote, it was a UK wide vote and the UK as a whole voted to leave the EU. Leave won by around a million votes and just over a million people in Scotland voted Leave in the EU referendum. Those Scots who voted Leave pushed Brexit over the winning line.
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You cannot hide that Scotland didnt vote for brexit
If it is true and Scotland will be £30billion worse off in a UK brexit you willing to accept that ? "Here we go again, project fear all over again being recycled by remoaners. Frankly I don't trust any economic forecasts regarding Brexit because the vast majority of them so far have been proven wrong and the UK economy continues to outperform expectations. 2nd you already had a Scottish independence referendum just a couple of years ago which the then leader of the SNP Alex Salmond (he's on BBC Question Time now if anyone fancies a laugh) said would settle the issue for a generation! You want to have another one after Brexit then fine I really have no problem with peaceful democratic votes (unlike some on here) and given that the SNP took another beating at the general election I think you'd lose another indy ref in Scotland, that's why Nicola Sturgeon seems to have put a sock in it of late and we haven't heard much from her, at least she seems to have got the message from the general election to get on with the day job instead of obsessing over independence. | |||
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"My opinon i dont think anyone can really claim the UK voted to leave the EU two countries in the UK voted to leave Now if England and Wales wish to leave am all for it good luck but Scotland and N.Ireland didnt vote to leave the EU So once the final brext deal is know Scotland will have an independence referendum to see if we agree to the final brexit dealor would rather independence Now considering the reports out there that Scotland will be £30 Billon worse off in the UK brexit i think Scottish people have the right to know but the Tories do not want it published why not have they got something to hide So in all i cant really talk for England and Wales as they voted to leave and that has to be respected but Scotland and N.Ireland didnt vote to leave the EU and that also has to be respected It wasn't a devolved vote, it was a UK wide vote and the UK as a whole voted to leave the EU. Leave won by around a million votes and just over a million people in Scotland voted Leave in the EU referendum. Those Scots who voted Leave pushed Brexit over the winning line.
So are you afraid to give the Scottish voters a independence referendum once the final brexit deal is known ?
You cannot hide that Scotland didnt vote for brexit
If it is true and Scotland will be £30billion worse off in a UK brexit you willing to accept that ?
Here we go again, project fear all over again being recycled by remoaners. Frankly I don't trust any economic forecasts regarding Brexit because the vast majority of them so far have been proven wrong and the UK economy continues to outperform expectations. 2nd you already had a Scottish independence referendum just a couple of years ago which the then leader of the SNP Alex Salmond (he's on BBC Question Time now if anyone fancies a laugh) said would settle the issue for a generation! You want to have another one after Brexit then fine I really have no problem with peaceful democratic votes (unlike some on here) and given that the SNP took another beating at the general election I think you'd lose another indy ref in Scotland, that's why Nicola Sturgeon seems to have put a sock in it of late and we haven't heard much from her, at least she seems to have got the message from the general election to get on with the day job instead of obsessing over independence. "If it is true and Scotland will be £30billion worse off in a UK brexit you willing to accept that ? Why wont the Tories publish it ? Surely if it was good news they would be happy to show it Erm democracy didnt end on the 18thsept 2014 Also deomcracy is not an event. So again So are you afraid to give the Scottish voters a independence referendum once the final brexit deal is known ? | |||
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"and true to form, every post by the brextremists on this thread so far, reinforces the fact that they are absolutely shitting themselves because they realise that a second referendum would be a landslide remain So if we had another vote and leave win again , would you then finally accept it ??
so what makes you think that you know how i voted in the first place? ... i'm just pointing out facts here chap
Have you spoken to ALL leave votes then and asked them if they are shitting themselves then cos if not you are not stating facts.
I guarantee that every leave voter alive today, has taken a shit since the referendum
As has every remain voter alive today. Does that mean Remainers are shitting themselves too then.
Yes probably more than the leavers as the EU keep letting things slip out that made a lot of people vote leave. "So that means that leavers are full of shit then | |||
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"My opinon i dont think anyone can really claim the UK voted to leave the EU two countries in the UK voted to leave Now if England and Wales wish to leave am all for it good luck but Scotland and N.Ireland didnt vote to leave the EU So once the final brext deal is know Scotland will have an independence referendum to see if we agree to the final brexit dealor would rather independence Now considering the reports out there that Scotland will be £30 Billon worse off in the UK brexit i think Scottish people have the right to know but the Tories do not want it published why not have they got something to hide So in all i cant really talk for England and Wales as they voted to leave and that has to be respected but Scotland and N.Ireland didnt vote to leave the EU and that also has to be respected It wasn't a devolved vote, it was a UK wide vote and the UK as a whole voted to leave the EU. Leave won by around a million votes and just over a million people in Scotland voted Leave in the EU referendum. Those Scots who voted Leave pushed Brexit over the winning line.
So are you afraid to give the Scottish voters a independence referendum once the final brexit deal is known ?
You cannot hide that Scotland didnt vote for brexit
If it is true and Scotland will be £30billion worse off in a UK brexit you willing to accept that ?
Here we go again, project fear all over again being recycled by remoaners. Frankly I don't trust any economic forecasts regarding Brexit because the vast majority of them so far have been proven wrong and the UK economy continues to outperform expectations. 2nd you already had a Scottish independence referendum just a couple of years ago which the then leader of the SNP Alex Salmond (he's on BBC Question Time now if anyone fancies a laugh) said would settle the issue for a generation! You want to have another one after Brexit then fine I really have no problem with peaceful democratic votes (unlike some on here) and given that the SNP took another beating at the general election I think you'd lose another indy ref in Scotland, that's why Nicola Sturgeon seems to have put a sock in it of late and we haven't heard much from her, at least she seems to have got the message from the general election to get on with the day job instead of obsessing over independence.
If it is true and Scotland will be £30billion worse off in a UK brexit you willing to accept that ? Why wont the Tories publish it ? Surely if it was good news they would be happy to show it
Erm democracy didnt end on the 18thsept 2014
Also deomcracy is not an event.
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" Frankly I don't trust any economic forecasts regarding Brexit because the vast majority of them so far have been proven wrong and the UK economy continues to outperform expectations " The UK economy continues to out perform expectations? What are you talking about???? That is a blatant, provable LIE. The UK went from the fastest growing economy in the EU, to the slowest. Greece's economy is growing quicker than ours. How can you be proud of stunting a countries growth so drastically? | |||
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"My opinon i dont think anyone can really claim the UK voted to leave the EU two countries in the UK voted to leave Now if England and Wales wish to leave am all for it good luck but Scotland and N.Ireland didnt vote to leave the EU So once the final brext deal is know Scotland will have an independence referendum to see if we agree to the final brexit dealor would rather independence Now considering the reports out there that Scotland will be £30 Billon worse off in the UK brexit i think Scottish people have the right to know but the Tories do not want it published why not have they got something to hide So in all i cant really talk for England and Wales as they voted to leave and that has to be respected but Scotland and N.Ireland didnt vote to leave the EU and that also has to be respected It wasn't a devolved vote, it was a UK wide vote and the UK as a whole voted to leave the EU. Leave won by around a million votes and just over a million people in Scotland voted Leave in the EU referendum. Those Scots who voted Leave pushed Brexit over the winning line.
So are you afraid to give the Scottish voters a independence referendum once the final brexit deal is known ?
You cannot hide that Scotland didnt vote for brexit
If it is true and Scotland will be £30billion worse off in a UK brexit you willing to accept that ?
Here we go again, project fear all over again being recycled by remoaners. Frankly I don't trust any economic forecasts regarding Brexit because the vast majority of them so far have been proven wrong and the UK economy continues to outperform expectations. 2nd you already had a Scottish independence referendum just a couple of years ago which the then leader of the SNP Alex Salmond (he's on BBC Question Time now if anyone fancies a laugh) said would settle the issue for a generation! You want to have another one after Brexit then fine I really have no problem with peaceful democratic votes (unlike some on here) and given that the SNP took another beating at the general election I think you'd lose another indy ref in Scotland, that's why Nicola Sturgeon seems to have put a sock in it of late and we haven't heard much from her, at least she seems to have got the message from the general election to get on with the day job instead of obsessing over independence.
If it is true and Scotland will be £30billion worse off in a UK brexit you willing to accept that ? Why wont the Tories publish it ? Surely if it was good news they would be happy to show it
Erm democracy didnt end on the 18thsept 2014
Also deomcracy is not an event.
So again So are you afraid to give the Scottish voters a independence referendum once the final brexit deal is known ?
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"My opinon i dont think anyone can really claim the UK voted to leave the EU two countries in the UK voted to leave Now if England and Wales wish to leave am all for it good luck but Scotland and N.Ireland didnt vote to leave the EU So once the final brext deal is know Scotland will have an independence referendum to see if we agree to the final brexit dealor would rather independence Now considering the reports out there that Scotland will be £30 Billon worse off in the UK brexit i think Scottish people have the right to know but the Tories do not want it published why not have they got something to hide So in all i cant really talk for England and Wales as they voted to leave and that has to be respected but Scotland and N.Ireland didnt vote to leave the EU and that also has to be respected It wasn't a devolved vote, it was a UK wide vote and the UK as a whole voted to leave the EU. Leave won by around a million votes and just over a million people in Scotland voted Leave in the EU referendum. Those Scots who voted Leave pushed Brexit over the winning line.
So are you afraid to give the Scottish voters a independence referendum once the final brexit deal is known ?
You cannot hide that Scotland didnt vote for brexit
If it is true and Scotland will be £30billion worse off in a UK brexit you willing to accept that ?
Here we go again, project fear all over again being recycled by remoaners. Frankly I don't trust any economic forecasts regarding Brexit because the vast majority of them so far have been proven wrong and the UK economy continues to outperform expectations. 2nd you already had a Scottish independence referendum just a couple of years ago which the then leader of the SNP Alex Salmond (he's on BBC Question Time now if anyone fancies a laugh) said would settle the issue for a generation! You want to have another one after Brexit then fine I really have no problem with peaceful democratic votes (unlike some on here) and given that the SNP took another beating at the general election I think you'd lose another indy ref in Scotland, that's why Nicola Sturgeon seems to have put a sock in it of late and we haven't heard much from her, at least she seems to have got the message from the general election to get on with the day job instead of obsessing over independence.
If it is true and Scotland will be £30billion worse off in a UK brexit you willing to accept that ? Why wont the Tories publish it ? Surely if it was good news they would be happy to show it
Erm democracy didnt end on the 18thsept 2014
Also deomcracy is not an event.
So again So are you afraid to give the Scottish voters a independence referendum once the final brexit deal is known ?
Already answered those points in my last post. "NAH you didnt Come on at least try and answer it If it is true and Scotland will be £30billion worse off in a UK brexit you willing to accept that ? Why wont the Tories publish it ? So again are you afraid to give the Scottish voters a independence referendum once the final brexit deal is known ? Whats to fear by giving the Scottish voters a vote on the final brexit deal we have a mandate for it Am ok with England and Wales leaving i accept and respect they both voted to leave Scotland and N.Ireland didnt vote to leave that has to be respected too am afraid | |||
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" Frankly I don't trust any economic forecasts regarding Brexit because the vast majority of them so far have been proven wrong and the UK economy continues to outperform expectations The UK economy continues to out perform expectations? What are you talking about???? That is a blatant, provable LIE. The UK went from the fastest growing economy in the EU, to the slowest. Greece's economy is growing quicker than ours. How can you be proud of stunting a countries growth so drastically? " The figures released by the ONS (office for national statistics) this week on the economic growth of the UK economy being 0.4% for the 3rd quarter outperformed expectations. The original forcast expected a lower growth rate for the 3rd quarter. The Chancellor of the Exchequer Philip Hammond also said this week after the ONS figures were released that the UK economy continues to outperform expectations after the leave vote last year. | |||
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" Frankly I don't trust any economic forecasts regarding Brexit because the vast majority of them so far have been proven wrong and the UK economy continues to outperform expectations The UK economy continues to out perform expectations? What are you talking about???? That is a blatant, provable LIE. The UK went from the fastest growing economy in the EU, to the slowest. Greece's economy is growing quicker than ours. How can you be proud of stunting a countries growth so drastically? The figures released by the ONS (office for national statistics) this week on the economic growth of the UK economy being 0.4% for the 3rd quarter outperformed expectations. The original forcast expected a lower growth rate for the 3rd quarter. The Chancellor of the Exchequer Philip Hammond also said this week after the ONS figures were released that the UK economy continues to outperform expectations after the leave vote last year. " Yawn | |||
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" Frankly I don't trust any economic forecasts regarding Brexit because the vast majority of them so far have been proven wrong and the UK economy continues to outperform expectations The UK economy continues to out perform expectations? What are you talking about???? That is a blatant, provable LIE. The UK went from the fastest growing economy in the EU, to the slowest. Greece's economy is growing quicker than ours. How can you be proud of stunting a countries growth so drastically? The figures released by the ONS (office for national statistics) this week on the economic growth of the UK economy being 0.4% for the 3rd quarter outperformed expectations. The original forcast expected a lower growth rate for the 3rd quarter. The Chancellor of the Exchequer Philip Hammond also said this week after the ONS figures were released that the UK economy continues to outperform expectations after the leave vote last year. " Seriously? From fastest growing, to slowest growing, and you think that is positive? | |||
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" Frankly I don't trust any economic forecasts regarding Brexit because the vast majority of them so far have been proven wrong and the UK economy continues to outperform expectations The UK economy continues to out perform expectations? What are you talking about???? That is a blatant, provable LIE. The UK went from the fastest growing economy in the EU, to the slowest. Greece's economy is growing quicker than ours. How can you be proud of stunting a countries growth so drastically? The figures released by the ONS (office for national statistics) this week on the economic growth of the UK economy being 0.4% for the 3rd quarter outperformed expectations. The original forcast expected a lower growth rate for the 3rd quarter. The Chancellor of the Exchequer Philip Hammond also said this week after the ONS figures were released that the UK economy continues to outperform expectations after the leave vote last year. Yawn " Tired? Maybe it's past your bed time then?  | |||
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"So we're only doing really badly, rather than really, really badly, yet Leave voters see this as a positive! 'There's nowt so blind' and all that. I've given up trying to argue with you lot, as you refuse to admit that you are wrong, despite the overwhelming evidence supplied to you that 'Brexit' is one big clusterfuck. I despair, I really so!" No not doing badly in fact we are doing a damn sight better than the bullshit the Remain campaign predicted which was we should have been into a deep recession by now according to their ridiculous forcasts. | |||
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" Frankly I don't trust any economic forecasts regarding Brexit because the vast majority of them so far have been proven wrong and the UK economy continues to outperform expectations The UK economy continues to out perform expectations? What are you talking about???? That is a blatant, provable LIE. The UK went from the fastest growing economy in the EU, to the slowest. Greece's economy is growing quicker than ours. How can you be proud of stunting a countries growth so drastically? " Because tourism is hopping with the weakened pound obviously. Project fear | |||
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" Frankly I don't trust any economic forecasts regarding Brexit because the vast majority of them so far have been proven wrong and the UK economy continues to outperform expectations The UK economy continues to out perform expectations? What are you talking about???? That is a blatant, provable LIE. The UK went from the fastest growing economy in the EU, to the slowest. Greece's economy is growing quicker than ours. How can you be proud of stunting a countries growth so drastically? Because tourism is hopping with the weakened pound obviously. Project fear " More tourists are coming to the UK from all over the world to take advantage of the lower value of the pound, as they get better exchange rates this has been widely reported since the referendum vote last year. | |||
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in all it's glory.
I just can't wait any longer. I am so excited.
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"Ffs not this subject again. There was a vote . Leave won . The End !! If only life were so simple lol It is. We are leaving . Who knows if it's good or bad yet . But we are !!" It's not as if it's been anything like what the exit politicians sold it to us to be, pre-referendum. In a democracy it is up to politicians to be guided by the electorate, which means that opinion is dynamic and changes. It's madness to become wiser but not to act accordingly. It's clear that the leave Conservatives are under pressure from the swivel-eyed factions in their party, to accept a no deal as a fantastic outcome, with parliament and the public kept sidelined. | |||
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"We are out . No more referendums Deal with it . I voted leave For gods sake if the result had gone the other way I would nt be going on like some do . " | |||
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"We are out . No more referendums Deal with it . I voted leave For gods sake if the result had gone the other way I would nt be going on like some do . " Interestting so if you find out that the UK will be worse off with brexit still willing to leave and accept damage ? | |||
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"We are out . No more referendums Deal with it . I voted leave For gods sake if the result had gone the other way I would nt be going on like some do . " .. | |||
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"We are out . No more referendums Deal with it . I voted leave For gods sake if the result had gone the other way I would nt be going on like some do . .. "The thread was posted a couple of weeks ago, at that time there was a lot of media coverage intimating several high ranking politicians were seeking a re-vote! No one is suggesting anything else, I posted the topic to purely gauge opinions | |||
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"Yes we should cos everyone knows brexit wont work, even the ministers are prolonging it." Not really, there are a growing number of Remainers who are now admitting they got it wrong by voting Remain. Such as the ex BBC politics/economics commentator Robert Peston who now works for ITV. He said over the weekend that he now feels deeply ashamed that he voted Remain and that the 'Remain bubble' he and his colleagues and friends were in at the BBC in London was way out of touch with millions of people in the rest of the country. He said that those who voted Leave were right to do so and made the right choice. | |||
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"Yes we should cos everyone knows brexit wont work, even the ministers are prolonging it. Not really, there are a growing number of Remainers who are now admitting they got it wrong by voting Remain. Such as the ex BBC politics/economics commentator Robert Peston who now works for ITV. He said over the weekend that he now feels deeply ashamed that he voted Remain and that the 'Remain bubble' he and his colleagues and friends were in at the BBC in London was way out of touch with millions of people in the rest of the country. He said that those who voted Leave were right to do so and made the right choice. " Even the conservative party isn't all singing from the same hymn sheet. | |||
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"We are out . No more referendums Deal with it . I voted leave For gods sake if the result had gone the other way I would nt be going on like some do . Interestting so if you find out that the UK will be worse off with brexit still willing to leave and accept damage ? " I didn't want in the common market as it was called back then in the very first referendum we had .we were told nothing but lies .the damage I'm afraid was done way back then when we joined the bloody awful thing .what's happened since we joined . no ship building ,no mining,no car industry.the list is endless so tell me when was the damage actually done to this country .I've seen both sides of the coin ...have you ...I know which side my breads buttered on obviously you don't . everyone was given a vote . learn to live with the result like we did first time around . remoaners(aka the merchants of doom) need to stop chucking your toys out of your pram . nearly 18 months on since the vote and you are still crying. The only reason there will be further damage to this country will be thanks to you not those who voted to leave | |||
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"We are out . No more referendums Deal with it . I voted leave For gods sake if the result had gone the other way I would nt be going on like some do . Interestting so if you find out that the UK will be worse off with brexit still willing to leave and accept damage ? I didn't want in the common market as it was called back then in the very first referendum we had .we were told nothing but lies .the damage I'm afraid was done way back then when we joined the bloody awful thing .what's happened since we joined . no ship building ,no mining,no car industry.the list is endless so tell me when was the damage actually done to this country .I've seen both sides of the coin ...have you ...I know which side my breads buttered on obviously you don't . everyone was given a vote . learn to live with the result like we did first time around . remoaners(aka the merchants of doom) need to stop chucking your toys out of your pram . nearly 18 months on since the vote and you are still crying. The only reason there will be further damage to this country will be thanks to you not those who voted to leave " And you blame the EU for no mining ....ship building wect ect...if it wasnt for the EU...there wouldent be Nissan just up the road from....no wonder were fucked with views like this   | |||
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"We are out . No more referendums Deal with it . I voted leave For gods sake if the result had gone the other way I would nt be going on like some do . Interestting so if you find out that the UK will be worse off with brexit still willing to leave and accept damage ? I didn't want in the common market as it was called back then in the very first referendum we had .we were told nothing but lies .the damage I'm afraid was done way back then when we joined the bloody awful thing .what's happened since we joined . no ship building ,no mining,no car industry.the list is endless so tell me when was the damage actually done to this country .I've seen both sides of the coin ...have you ...I know which side my breads buttered on obviously you don't . everyone was given a vote . learn to live with the result like we did first time around . remoaners(aka the merchants of doom) need to stop chucking your toys out of your pram . nearly 18 months on since the vote and you are still crying. The only reason there will be further damage to this country will be thanks to you not those who voted to leave " You must be mad wait and see what this mess will bring it’s already started we’re be in the shut right up to our necks your think different in a couple of years | |||
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