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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

When did Reddit English replace Oxford English as a standard for journalism and where do they get these neurotic bats?

There's so much sexism and insulting assumptions about ordinary men wound into this piece. It speaks as if a small minority represent the average.

This shit twists the minds of female readers into thinking all men are cunts and explicitly requests white knighting.

Can you imagine the response if a male journalist wrote a piece listing rules of conduct for women?

******

Talk to your friend who is “kind of a creep” at work.

Don’t talk over women.

If you are asked to be on a panel/team and see that it’s all men, say something. Maybe even refuse the spot!

When you see another guy talk over a woman, say: “Hey, she was saying something.”

Learn to read a fucking room.

Don’t call women “crazy” in a professional setting.

Don’t use your “feminism” as a way to get women to trust you. Show us in your day-to-day life, not in your self-congratulatory social media.

Don’t touch women you don’t know, and honestly, ask yourself why you feel the need to touch women in general.

The voices of Weinstein’s accusers have torn the fabric of patriarchy

Naomi Wolf

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Do you feel that any woman on earth owes you something? She doesn’t. Even if you’re like, “Hm, but what about basic respect?” ask yourself if you’ve shown her the same.

Don’t send pictures of your penis unless she just asked for them.

If a woman says no to a date, don’t ask her again.

If a woman has not given an enthusiastic “yes” to sex, back the hell off.

If a woman is really d*unk, she cannot consent to you and she also cannot consent to your buddy who seems to be trying something. Your buddy is your responsibility, so say something and intervene.

If you do the right thing, don’t expect praise or payment or a pat on the back or even a “thank you from that woman”. Congratulations, you were baseline decent.

Involve women in your creative projects, then let them have equal part in them.

Don’t make misogynistic jokes.

Don’t expect women to be “nice” or “cute” and don’t get upset when they aren’t those things.

Don’t make assumptions about a woman’s intelligence, capabilities or desires based on how she dresses.

Pay women as much as you pay men.

If a woman tells you that you fucked up, and you feel like shit, don’t put it on that woman to make you feel better. Apologize without qualification and then go away.

Don’t punish women for witnessing your vulnerability.

Don’t get defensive when you get called out.

Don’t need to literally witness a man being horrible in order to believe that he’s horrible. Trust and believe women.

Don’t use your power to get women’s attention/company/sex/etc.

Be aware of your inherent power in situations and use it to protect women, especially via talking to other men.

Stop thinking that because you’re also marginalized or a survivor that you cannot inflict pain or oppress women.

If women’s pain makes you feel pain, don’t prize your pain above hers, or make that pain her problem.

Don’t read a list like this and think that most of these don’t apply to you.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"It speaks as if a small minority represent the average.

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Given that this is a response to the Harvey Weinstein situation, the reports of abuse by other men, and the 'me too' social media thing (I already knew quite a few women who have experienced abuse or harassment, and this number rose depressingly as a result of 'me too') I'm far from convinced that it is a tiny minority.

Regardless of the exact numbers of men involved, raging at an opinion piece, however OTT, and not at the abuses which provoked it, seems like misplaced priorities to me.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Have you heard about the effect bad news has on how people overestimate the actual likelihood of events.

For example, we hear about murders in the news everyday but the probability of being murdered is low.

Let's ignore a relative blip on our timeline and take the messages of the article at face value for a minute?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"

Regardless of the exact numbers of men involved, raging at an opinion piece, however OTT, and not at the abuses which provoked it, seems like misplaced priorities to me.

"

I don't have a time machine to stop past events but I can use my bullshit detector to try influence a more harmonious future.

Or maybe I'm just wasting time

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"Have you heard about the effect bad news has on how people overestimate the actual likelihood of events.

For example, we hear about murders in the news everyday but the probability of being murdered is low.

Let's ignore a relative blip on our timeline and take the messages of the article at face value for a minute? "

But it's not a blip on a time line. It's women sharing their experiences when they haven't previously done so.

The 'blip' is hearing about the experiences. When women stop sharing them, it doesn't mean the abuse has stopped.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"

If women’s pain makes you feel pain, don’t prize your pain above hers, or make that pain her problem.

******"

What the jaysus does this even mean?

A neurotic response to being out-offended by some wanker in her women's studies class?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Can we also listen to the personal anecdotes of all men who haven't abused women - for balance?

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"

If women’s pain makes you feel pain, don’t prize your pain above hers, or make that pain her problem.

******

What the jaysus does this even mean?

A neurotic response to being out-offended by some wanker in her women's studies class? "

It means when women express their anger towards men, if that hurts you, don't blame them and think your feelings are more important.

You know, like you're doing in this thread.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"

If women’s pain makes you feel pain, don’t prize your pain above hers, or make that pain her problem.

******

What the jaysus does this even mean?

A neurotic response to being out-offended by some wanker in her women's studies class?

It means when women express their anger towards men, if that hurts you, don't blame them and think your feelings are more important.

You know, like you're doing in this thread. "

That's retarded.

It's my right to be equally offended - of course my feeling are more important to me

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Point of note

30% of the metoo tweets were from men.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"Point of note

30% of the metoo tweets were from men. "

Maybe they were saying they had done the same as Harvey

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"

It means when women express their anger towards men "

But being more serious for a moment - this is exactly what I'm getting at.

Articles like the above are creating (and you are justifying) a culture of anger from women towards men.

Did you mean to say some women and some men and add a caveat of "and vice versa"

.. Or are you the stereotypical white knighting buffon that drinks this koolaid?

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"

It means when women express their anger towards men

But being more serious for a moment - this is exactly what I'm getting at.

Articles like the above are creating (and you are justifying) a culture of anger from women towards men.

Did you mean to say some women and some men and add a caveat of "and vice versa"

.. Or are you the stereotypical white knighting buffon that drinks this koolaid? "

So your big complaint is the absence of the word 'some'. You poor triggered snowflake, that must have been really hard for you to read.

(if you're going to bring conversation down to the level of internet catchphrases like 'white knighting' then we may as well scrape the barrel for some others)

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

You're just deflecting from your sexism here stove.

We are on the Internet, and white knighting is particularly apt in your case.

If you don't accept my correct t then tell us - Why are women justified about being angry at men?

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"You're just deflecting from your sexism here stove.

We are on the Internet, and white knighting is particularly apt in your case.

If you don't accept my correct t then tell us - Why are women justified about being angry at men? "

So...white knighting... the only reason a man can possibly have to not be as anti feminist as you is because he thinks it will get him laid? Kinda sexist towards men, really...

As to why women are justified in being angry at men - the article that has so upset you lists some reasons that seem fine to me, some of which I've observed happen first hand.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

All or some?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

You are right, I forgot that white knighting is about trying to get laid. I'll just call you gullible.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"You are right, I forgot that white knighting is about trying to get laid. I'll just call you gullible.

"

And I'll call you an angry child who (as I've just seen you admit in the thread on transgender labels) gets upset when groups you aren't a part of recieve some attention or have an opinion.

Fun chat, thanks

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"You are right, I forgot that white knighting is about trying to get laid. I'll just call you gullible.

And I'll call you an angry child who (as I've just seen you admit in the thread on transgender labels) gets upset when groups you aren't a part of recieve some attention or have an opinion.

Fun chat, thanks "

Ha ha I'd love to know how you derived that conclusion.

What did I "admit"?

Such a lame attempt at character assignation in lieu of a cogent argument.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's third wave feminism, it's turned a sizeable chunk of women batshit nuts and alas a few men into manginas

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"You are right, I forgot that white knighting is about trying to get laid. I'll just call you gullible.

And I'll call you an angry child who (as I've just seen you admit in the thread on transgender labels) gets upset when groups you aren't a part of recieve some attention or have an opinion.

Fun chat, thanks

Ha ha I'd love to know how you derived that conclusion.

What did I "admit"?

Such a lame attempt at character assignation in lieu of a cogent argument. "

"I want the world to pander me too but I just can't get the propaganda angle quiet right yet.

How can I appear more marginalised and downtrodden?"

Your words. You want attention.

And look, you dragged us down to this level. There's interesting stuff to discuss here, but you decided that calling me a 'white knight' and 'gullible' was the important path to go down in lieu of making actual arguments.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I think you need to learn what a joke is there Stove old buddy old pal.

OK let's drop the rivalry and get back to the more serious topic at hand shall we?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Stove you failed to see where I was defending transgendered people from that evil sickboy two posts above.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"I think you need to learn what a joke is there Stove old buddy old pal.

OK let's drop the rivalry and get back to the more serious topic at hand shall we? "

"Many a true word said in jest", as they say.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

The truth is I'd love to design a propaganda campaign to get men and women back to normality.

Peace love unity

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

That opinion piece must have really hit a nerve.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"That opinion piece must have really hit a nerve. "

It did - I'm worried for society.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Relax it takes time to find an equilibrium. Men are still ontop for the time being .

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Relax it takes time to find an equilibrium. Men are still ontop for the time being . "

It's not about being "on top"

Cooperation not competition

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Relax it takes time to find an equilibrium. Men are still ontop for the time being .

It's not about being "on top"

Cooperation not competition "
We are ontop right here right now though arent we..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The sooner xi takes over the world the better chance it has of moving on to solving real problems instead of pandering to clinically depressed people and their mad ramblings

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Relax it takes time to find an equilibrium. Men are still ontop for the time being .

It's not about being "on top"

Cooperation not competition We are ontop right here right now though arent we.. "

It depends.... Where these adguments fail is in sweeping generalisations. Some men gave it good, some have it bad and vice versa.

It's a perfectly divisive message however.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


" moving on to solving real problems instead of pandering to clinically depressed people and their mad ramblings"

Nailed it

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


" moving on to solving real problems instead of pandering to clinically depressed people and their mad ramblings

Nailed it"

I think he was referring to you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have a perfect solution for all guardian readers...... Move to Chile for a year and come back and tell me what the pressing problems are that need solving!.

If you still think it's painting policeman's fingernails then fair play.

I'll emigrate to Chile instead

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


" moving on to solving real problems instead of pandering to clinically depressed people and their mad ramblings

Nailed it

I think he was referring to you. "

It's a good joke to be fair

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

I think we should put a stop to this all male panel and waiting for a woman to join the discussion.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I have a perfect solution for all guardian readers...... Move to Chile for a year and come back and tell me what the pressing problems are that need solving!.

If you still think it's painting policeman's fingernails then fair play.

I'll emigrate to Chile instead "

It surprises me how little perspective they seem to have and I'm assuming that the typical guardian reader if well travelled (but probably a play it safe "tourist" who only stays in the nice part of town)

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


" moving on to solving real problems instead of pandering to clinically depressed people and their mad ramblings

Nailed it"

"Men abusing women is not a real problem, women should just shut up, their opinions make me sick! Any men who disagree are beta cuck white knight manginas!"

Lovely stuff, this thread.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"I think we should put a stop to this all male panel and waiting for a woman to join the discussion. "

A fair point! I'll leave it here.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


" moving on to solving real problems instead of pandering to clinically depressed people and their mad ramblings

Nailed it

"Men abusing women is not a real problem, women should just shut up, their opinions make me sick! Any men who disagree are beta cuck white knight manginas!"

Lovely stuff, this thread.

"

There's a distinction.

There will always be men abusing women and women abusing men and men abusing men and women abusing women because some people are naturally cunts.

It's very difficult to tackle and painting all with the same brush because of the actions of a few cannot possibly be the solution.

I don't think you are a cuck or a mangina or whatever.... Just misguided

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think we should put a stop to this all male panel and waiting for a woman to join the discussion. "
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Could be waiting awhile!.

There's a distinct lack of women in the politics forum

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I think we should put a stop to this all male panel and waiting for a woman to join the discussion. .

Could be waiting awhile!.

There's a distinct lack of women in the politics forum "

WE NEED quotas

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think we should put a stop to this all male panel and waiting for a woman to join the discussion. .

Could be waiting awhile!.

There's a distinct lack of women in the politics forum

WE NEED quotas"
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They've been saying that in the lounge for years!!!....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Too many men, not enough women?.

There's gotta be some leftist shit reason for it!... Wait no, it's just they prefer corrie

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"

As to why women are justified in being angry at men - the article that has so upset you lists some reasons that seem fine to me, some of which I've observed happen first hand.

"

I just realised that you proved my point for me. Anecdotes presented as universalities.

It's a ready made list of reasons why women should be angry at men. If I wanted to exaggerate I could call it manufactured hatespeech.

I'll ask again.... All men or some men?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It speaks as if a small minority represent the average.

Given that this is a response to the Harvey Weinstein situation, the reports of abuse by other men, and the 'me too' social media thing (I already knew quite a few women who have experienced abuse or harassment, and this number rose depressingly as a result of 'me too') I'm far from convinced that it is a tiny minority.

Regardless of the exact numbers of men involved, raging at an opinion piece, however OTT, and not at the abuses which provoked it, seems like misplaced priorities to me.

"

And the focus on misplaced priorities happens all the time, such as newspaper column inches given over to the reporting of women convicted of making false allegations c.f. men convicted of sexual assault, or men marrying children in parts of our world, or men being complicit in the r@@e of women when using the services of a trafficked sex worker etc etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Have you heard about the effect bad news has on how people overestimate the actual likelihood of events.

For example, we hear about murders in the news everyday but the probability of being murdered is low.

Let's ignore a relative blip on our timeline and take the messages of the article at face value for a minute? "

Why do you seemso unwilling to even contemplate that the majority of women have been sexually assaulted and that most if not all women have been sexually harassed? If my interpretation of your pist is correct, YOU are part of the problem.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I feel caught up in this shit.

When I'm out, i try not to look at tits, bums areas, try not to hold door open for women (i do for men, pensioners etc)..

On 1 occadion thinking "do i hold this door open or do i let it swing shut in her face?"

I held it as i thought fuck it, i am me and don't take notice of what people label me, they can think what they like.. Fuck em.

Unfortunately these men/women have experienced 2hat i would hate to happen to me or people i care about. Its a shame its been hijacked by the snowflake society

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I feel caught up in this shit.

When I'm out, i try not to look at tits, bums areas, try not to hold door open for women (i do for men, pensioners etc)..

On 1 occadion thinking "do i hold this door open or do i let it swing shut in her face?"

I held it as i thought fuck it, i am me and don't take notice of what people label me, they can think what they like.. Fuck em.

Unfortunately these men/women have experienced 2hat i would hate to happen to me or people i care about. Its a shame its been hijacked by the snowflake society

"

I think you're confusing acceptable social behaviours with harassment and assault

Here's a guide:

Holding a door open: OK

Yelling 'nice tits' whilst a girl walks by (me at 14 yo for example) not ok.

Or:

Fondling partners boobs during fun where consent is clear: OK

Fondling a 17 year old's boobs (me again) whom you just happen to be passing as she is walking down Tottenham Court Road: not ok.

It really isn't complicated.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I feel caught up in this shit.

When I'm out, i try not to look at tits, bums areas, try not to hold door open for women (i do for men, pensioners etc)..

On 1 occadion thinking "do i hold this door open or do i let it swing shut in her face?"

I held it as i thought fuck it, i am me and don't take notice of what people label me, they can think what they like.. Fuck em.

Unfortunately these men/women have experienced 2hat i would hate to happen to me or people i care about. Its a shame its been hijacked by the snowflake society

I think you're confusing acceptable social behaviours with harassment and assault

Here's a guide:

Holding a door open: OK

Yelling 'nice tits' whilst a girl walks by (me at 14 yo for example) not ok.

Or:

Fondling partners boobs during fun where consent is clear: OK

Fondling a 17 year old's boobs (me again) whom you just happen to be passing as she is walking down Tottenham Court Road: not ok.

It really isn't complicated."

Your confusing my comments with a list of instructionss given out in the paper, it really isn't complicated!!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"

Why do you seemso unwilling to even contemplate that the majority of women have been sexually assaulted and that most if not all women have been sexually harassed? If my interpretation of your pist is correct, YOU are part of the problem. "

Show me your data and I'll contemplate it.

I find it hard to believe (unless you stretch the definitions) in which case yes I've been sexually assaulted too (arse pinched in a nightclub... life subsequently ruined....)

#problem

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is there a link to the original article?

It's really, really good and I'd like to bookmark it for future use.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ive never seen so many but hurt snowflake faux alpha wannabe fuckers in my life..This thread is a fucking gem.

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By *uxinteriorMan
over a year ago

south west , continental

Ah the Guardian one newspaper along with the Daily mail which is damn fine at starting the old fire with, the others look pretty good wrapped around fish and chips if you were still allowed to wrap fish and chips in them.

Haven't bought a newspaper for years and I avoid the Overloading Google Guardian news items like the plague. Don't get me started on the Independent should be had up for trading standards as it certainly is not Independent!

Have a good evening now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ive never seen so many but hurt snowflake faux alpha wannabe fuckers in my life..This thread is a fucking gem."

But what has shocked me over the years, particularly the last few years, and ladies from here. The more you get to know them and talk properly to them...the more have been assaulted , abused and mentally scarred by men in the past. It's a scarily high percentage.

If there was a "me too" thread on the forums...for lady members who have genuinely suffered such I wonder how quickly it would fill up?

As for the article...some of the language is a joke (Guardian journalists aren't known for their linguistic skills)......but the intent is simply logic and sense.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ive never seen so many but hurt snowflake faux alpha wannabe fuckers in my life..This thread is a fucking gem.

But what has shocked me over the years, particularly the last few years, and ladies from here. The more you get to know them and talk properly to them...the more have been assaulted , abused and mentally scarred by men in the past. It's a scarily high percentage.

If there was a "me too" thread on the forums...for lady members who have genuinely suffered such I wonder how quickly it would fill up?

"

At the same rate it would on any other forum.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Ive never seen so many but hurt snowflake faux alpha wannabe fuckers in my life..This thread is a fucking gem.

But what has shocked me over the years, particularly the last few years, and ladies from here. The more you get to know them and talk properly to them...the more have been assaulted , abused and mentally scarred by men in the past. It's a scarily high percentage.

If there was a "me too" thread on the forums...for lady members who have genuinely suffered such I wonder how quickly it would fill up?

As for the article...some of the language is a joke (Guardian journalists aren't known for their linguistic skills)......but the intent is simply logic and sense."

There is good common sense - albeit basicly insulting to any decent man by spelling out the obvious within the article -

BUT it's peppered with the madness of a raving loon with gems about always believing a woman (paraphrased the one about trust) and something about talking over women (not just people) and it left me thinking why strong, equal women can't speak up for themselves.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

It also paints abuse as something exclusive to women - 30% of metoo tweets are from men as a simple example.

It's the inherent sexism coupled with stating the obvious that is grating.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Can we also listen to the personal anecdotes of all men who haven't abused women - for balance? "

I was last on the forums around 6-9 months ago I would guess. You had a bee in your bonnet then about this topic, and it doesn't look like much has moved on!

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"It also paints abuse as something exclusive to women - 30% of metoo tweets are from men as a simple example. "

Where in the article does it say that abuse only happens to women?

Writing solely about issue X doesn't imply that issue Y doesn't exist. That's a basic logic fail.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It also paints abuse as something exclusive to women - 30% of metoo tweets are from men as a simple example.

Where in the article does it say that abuse only happens to women?

Writing solely about issue X doesn't imply that issue Y doesn't exist. That's a basic logic fail. "

It's doesn't but the article is written as instructions for men to behave better so there's an implicit onesidededness to it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ive never seen so many but hurt snowflake faux alpha wannabe fuckers in my life..This thread is a fucking gem.

But what has shocked me over the years, particularly the last few years, and ladies from here. The more you get to know them and talk properly to them...the more have been assaulted , abused and mentally scarred by men in the past. It's a scarily high percentage.

If there was a "me too" thread on the forums...for lady members who have genuinely suffered such I wonder how quickly it would fill up?

As for the article...some of the language is a joke (Guardian journalists aren't known for their linguistic skills)......but the intent is simply logic and sense.

There is good common sense - albeit basicly insulting to any decent man by spelling out the obvious within the article -

BUT it's peppered with the madness of a raving loon with gems about always believing a woman (paraphrased the one about trust) and something about talking over women (not just people) and it left me thinking why strong, equal women can't speak up for themselves. "

It's almost like things aren't equal.

Funny that.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"It also paints abuse as something exclusive to women - 30% of metoo tweets are from men as a simple example.

Where in the article does it say that abuse only happens to women?

Writing solely about issue X doesn't imply that issue Y doesn't exist. That's a basic logic fail.

It's doesn't but the article is written as instructions for men to behave better so there's an implicit onesidededness to it. "

The writer wants to tell men how they can treat women better. That's her topic.

Your response of "but what about male victims" falls completely outside of what she's writing about. She has no obligation to cover that issue.

And wouldn't a man be better to write about male victims anyway?

If you feel strongly that male victims aren't given due attention (not an unreasonable stance, it could be argued) then write to the Guardian to suggest an article on that. Or research and write one yourself. Anything that's more productive than whining that a woman isn't expressing herself exactly to your taste.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"

Your response of "but what about male victims" falls completely outside of what she's writing about. She has no obligation to cover that issue.

And wouldn't a man be better to write about male victims anyway?

"

No stove, that was my response to you trying to pin it to the #metoo campaign. Trying to put words in my mouth as usual

Your second paragraph again hits at my central argument - this kind of thing is divisive.

Why would women only write about abuse against women and men the opposite?

Can't we get back to being humans and not having to take sides because we all are "equal " after all

I'm genuinely baffled by how anti equality some of this stuff is at times.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Your response of "but what about male victims" falls completely outside of what she's writing about. She has no obligation to cover that issue.

And wouldn't a man be better to write about male victims anyway?

No stove, that was my response to you trying to pin it to the #metoo campaign. Trying to put words in my mouth as usual

Your second paragraph again hits at my central argument - this kind of thing is divisive.

Why would women only write about abuse against women and men the opposite?

Can't we get back to being humans and not having to take sides because we all are "equal " after all

I'm genuinely baffled by how anti equality some of this stuff is at times. "
.

It's meant to be divisive, that's the whole point of stuff like this, once divided and on side, you have a voter for life

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Propaganda 101

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Trying to frame this as simply being "divisive" and wondering plaintively "why can't we all just get along" is the kind of argument has always followed every rights movement.

It's as dull as it is nakedly disingenuous.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Trying to frame this as simply being "divisive" and wondering plaintively "why can't we all just get along" is the kind of argument has always followed every rights movement.

It's as dull as it is nakedly disingenuous."

Come off it.... There's no rights movement left

The laws of the land are good.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I don't even think you know what disingenuous means

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Trying to frame this as simply being "divisive" and wondering plaintively "why can't we all just get along" is the kind of argument has always followed every rights movement.

It's as dull as it is nakedly disingenuous.

Come off it.... There's no rights movement left

The laws of the land are good. "

Yes, laws do indeed stop things happening.

This is why there hasn't been a single murder since we outlawed it.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"

Your response of "but what about male victims" falls completely outside of what she's writing about. She has no obligation to cover that issue.

And wouldn't a man be better to write about male victims anyway?

No stove, that was my response to you trying to pin it to the #metoo campaign. Trying to put words in my mouth as usual

Your second paragraph again hits at my central argument - this kind of thing is divisive.

Why would women only write about abuse against women and men the opposite?

Can't we get back to being humans and not having to take sides because we all are "equal " after all

I'm genuinely baffled by how anti equality some of this stuff is at times. "

You're really asking me why a woman might be better placed to write about abuse of women, and men about abuse of men?

Uh...experience of being each of those genders, and how abuse fits in that specific context? Do you imagine that men and women lead identical kinds of lives? It's not to say that each gender can't write about the other, but 'what it's like to be a male victim of abuse and what can be done about it' is surely more informed when written by a man?

And your first response is just a red herring. My mention of the 'me too' thing was for context in outlining my thoughts.

It doesn't somehow mean that the subject of the article was 'an in depth look at the me too hash tag

The subject was 'how men can treat women better'. Explain why that should cover abuse of men?

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"Trying to frame this as simply being "divisive" and wondering plaintively "why can't we all just get along" is the kind of argument has always followed every rights movement.

It's as dull as it is nakedly disingenuous.

Come off it.... There's no rights movement left

The laws of the land are good. "

Good lord, I don't need to 'put words in your mouth' as you claim. You make yourself look ridiculous with no help whatsoever.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Trying to frame this as simply being "divisive" and wondering plaintively "why can't we all just get along" is the kind of argument has always followed every rights movement.

It's as dull as it is nakedly disingenuous.

Come off it.... There's no rights movement left

The laws of the land are good.

Yes, laws do indeed stop things happening.

This is why there hasn't been a single murder since we outlawed it."

LOL again... Just tell murderers to stop murdering right

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Trying to frame this as simply being "divisive" and wondering plaintively "why can't we all just get along" is the kind of argument has always followed every rights movement.

It's as dull as it is nakedly disingenuous.

Come off it.... There's no rights movement left

The laws of the land are good.

Yes, laws do indeed stop things happening.

This is why there hasn't been a single murder since we outlawed it.

LOL again... Just tell murderers to stop murdering right "

Lol, indeed.

Might it shock you to know that it's not a case of one or the other? Probably.

There is a great deal of work done in studying the factors that make people more likely to engage in violent crime, and then using that to try and prevent it from happening.

Now, given that we known that laws alone don't eradicate the crimes they legislate against, and that we acknowledge this and try preventative measures as well, perhaps you can see how this might be applicable to the subject at hand.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Is it OK to grab 'em by the pussy if the President tells you to?

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By *aeBabeWoman
over a year ago

London


"The truth is I'd love to design a propaganda campaign to get men and women back to normality.

Peace love unity "

Back to normality? Has society ever been normal in the sense of true equality between the sexes?

Women have always struggled to be seen as equals to men.

Did men have to march for their right to vote? Certainly not white privileged men.

Sexual abuse has been happening forever towards women, but not to say it doesn't happen to men too at the hands of both men and women. Most men are physically stronger than most women and a lot of men with power in society and their field tend to abuse their authority over women. Just because you hear about it now doesn't mean it didn't happen at the time it happened. Do not dismiss a case of sexual abuse, that just blames the victim for X, Y and Z and totally disregards the behaviour of the offending party.

Misogyny... I've heard that word more often and has been applied to many instances more than misandry.

I think huffing and puffing at an article because it does things to you that make you uncomfortable and to see from the stand point of a woman and crying out for the stance of men is your prerogative, but means you are part of the problem of society that puts up with inequality between the sexes.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Trying to frame this as simply being "divisive" and wondering plaintively "why can't we all just get along" is the kind of argument has always followed every rights movement.

It's as dull as it is nakedly disingenuous.

Come off it.... There's no rights movement left

The laws of the land are good.

Yes, laws do indeed stop things happening.

This is why there hasn't been a single murder since we outlawed it.

LOL again... Just tell murderers to stop murdering right

Lol, indeed.

Might it shock you to know that it's not a case of one or the other? Probably.

There is a great deal of work done in studying the factors that make people more likely to engage in violent crime, and then using that to try and prevent it from happening.

Now, given that we known that laws alone don't eradicate the crimes they legislate against, and that we acknowledge this and try preventative measures as well, perhaps you can see how this might be applicable to the subject at hand."

Not particularly no

The subject is a bollocky article from an irritating bat

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Trying to frame this as simply being "divisive" and wondering plaintively "why can't we all just get along" is the kind of argument has always followed every rights movement.

It's as dull as it is nakedly disingenuous.

Come off it.... There's no rights movement left

The laws of the land are good.

Yes, laws do indeed stop things happening.

This is why there hasn't been a single murder since we outlawed it.

LOL again... Just tell murderers to stop murdering right

Lol, indeed.

Might it shock you to know that it's not a case of one or the other? Probably.

There is a great deal of work done in studying the factors that make people more likely to engage in violent crime, and then using that to try and prevent it from happening.

Now, given that we known that laws alone don't eradicate the crimes they legislate against, and that we acknowledge this and try preventative measures as well, perhaps you can see how this might be applicable to the subject at hand.

Not particularly no

The subject is a bollocky article from an irritating bat "

I do wonder why you react this badly to an article for those who want to be better people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why are women justified about being angry at men?"

Man is entitled, woman is not, woman gets fed up with imbalance.


"There's so much sexism and insulting assumptions about ordinary men"

You say this is sexism by a woman, not what set of circumstances would prompt this person to write this column?

Society is set up to give men what they feel entitled to. You need to be aware of this to challenge and to make an equal society. Which is better for everyone.

You think just a woman chatting shit?

Let me put it another way.

One of the examples you post as part of your rant is


"Don’t send pictures of your penis unless she just asked for them."

You think it's everyone knows it's not socially acceptable to do this. Bloody sexist women!

But really think about this. You have this on your profile


"Single girls preferred, the odd couple, zero men"

You have on your summary who you want to meet. Surely you don't need to emphasise this?

But you do because you get the old I know it says you are straight but I will send you a cock shot and a meet request anyways.

Doesn't matter what you say, you are on fabswingers and they are entitled to treat you as meat

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

You are on a swingers site after all...and I can express whatever preferences I like.

Thanks for taking an interest in my profile

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Trying to frame this as simply being "divisive" and wondering plaintively "why can't we all just get along" is the kind of argument has always followed every rights movement.

It's as dull as it is nakedly disingenuous.

Come off it.... There's no rights movement left

The laws of the land are good.

Yes, laws do indeed stop things happening.

This is why there hasn't been a single murder since we outlawed it.

LOL again... Just tell murderers to stop murdering right

Lol, indeed.

Might it shock you to know that it's not a case of one or the other? Probably.

There is a great deal of work done in studying the factors that make people more likely to engage in violent crime, and then using that to try and prevent it from happening.

Now, given that we known that laws alone don't eradicate the crimes they legislate against, and that we acknowledge this and try preventative measures as well, perhaps you can see how this might be applicable to the subject at hand.

Not particularly no

The subject is a bollocky article from an irritating bat

I do wonder why you react this badly to an article for those who want to be better people."

There are significantly better self improvement manuals out there

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"

Society is set up to give men what they feel entitled to. "

I challenge you to set out your thought process here.

How exactly? What is the set up?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I do wonder why you react this badly to an article for those who want to be better people."

Superflash - as per the poster quoted, I'm genuinely intrigued as to what happened in your life that makes you seek out and rally against any article or discussion on the topic of feminism/domestic violence etc.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

1. Domestic violence isn't the topic here - I don't support that (this is the hook/shame tactic in play to make objectors like me look bad)

2. There are elements that are patently ridiculous and I've little tolerance for misinformation in general

3. I met a young woman who in her mind was 200% percent convinced that without exaggeration 25% of men had r*ped someone - she learned that from feminist websites and when I looked into it I saw that there are some real nut job self interested careerists behind the wheel of "good", "honest" feminism who use basic psychological manipulation techniques and shame tactics to promote their livelihood and sexism.

I agreed with feminism before that and still have high ideals about equality.

4. I think we need more cooperation in the world and less fighting between various factions-these internet/media cults promote disharmony.

5. We have a high degree of rights and equality of opportunity in the west already - other things like domestic violence can't be solved with naive shite like telling men how to be "better" and I don't believe the diminishing returns remaining are worth creating a rift between men and women.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The thing is, the rift you're so worried about already exists, and always has.

The only difference is people aren't willing to play along with the previous arrangement of pretending that it doesn't.

Apparently, this is the real injustice.

Who knew?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The rift??.

Just keep repeating the lie till it becomes the truth you seek!.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The rift??.

Just keep repeating the lie till it becomes the truth you seek!.

"

Substantive as always.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You are on a swingers site after all...and I can express whatever preferences I like.

Thanks for taking an interest in my profile

"

Must have confused you greatly for someone to take the time to read your profile and pay attention.

Shall I send 20 cock shots with a message saying I'm a bisexual man who wants to fuck you know to bring is back to normal?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"The thing is, the rift you're so worried about already exists, and always has.

The only difference is people aren't willing to play along with the previous arrangement of pretending that it doesn't.

Apparently, this is the real injustice.

Who knew?"

That's bollox, even 10 years ago people were much more chilled about all this stuff.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"You are on a swingers site after all...and I can express whatever preferences I like.

Thanks for taking an interest in my profile

Must have confused you greatly for someone to take the time to read your profile and pay attention.

Shall I send 20 cock shots with a message saying I'm a bisexual man who wants to fuck you know to bring is back to normal? "

The difference is that I'll just say no thanks and get on with my life

No harm done

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

Out of my friends over half have been sexually assaulted or abused, some by fathers, step fathers, husbands, boyfriends or randoms.

As a 13yr old young woman, old fuckers beeped, shouted and intimidated me because I was a young big boobed woman.

I don't see many older women hanging out of cars shouting shite at teenage boys in school uniform.

Just my experience. Ms

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"

Women have always struggled to be seen as equals to men.

Did men have to march for their right to vote? Certainly not white privileged men.

"

You are making the error here of seeking retribution for the past while living the present - holding old grudges doesn't do anything positive.

The vast majority of men in 2017 act with the utmost of respect towards women but yet you paint us all with an erroneous big white boogeyman label.

I want everyone to be peers not rivals.

Just think about it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You are on a swingers site after all...and I can express whatever preferences I like.

Thanks for taking an interest in my profile

Must have confused you greatly for someone to take the time to read your profile and pay attention.

Shall I send 20 cock shots with a message saying I'm a bisexual man who wants to fuck you know to bring is back to normal?

The difference is that I'll just say no thanks and get on with my life

No harm done "

I'm glad you think so, but it's interesting that you choose to engage with your male peers but out of the three females who have posted on here you have either ignored or just rolled your eyes?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I'm only going to respond to points which justify a response, male or female.

You are viewing the world through tainted lens

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By *rHornyGentMan
over a year ago

South East London

I’ve read this through and shake my head in frustration at the comments.

A journalist writing an article is batshit crazy? Give me a break. She wrote the piece to draw attention to a topical issue and highlight behaviours prevalent in today’s society.

When was the last time anyone walked down the street with a bag of Truprint photos of their bits handing them out to people willy nilly. Or walking over to a woman and feeling her up as part of your opening moves. Chances are you’d get a shoeing from a few of them.

The internet age allows anonymity and breeds off that. Unwanted dick pics in your inbox / feed are a sign of the times and are wrong on any level. Yes even on here.

Still amazes me that people believe no somehow means yes, that a badly d*unk person said yes to sex, two people are paid differently for the same role, I could go on but I think you might see where I’m coming from.

When I held my last 9-5 role I asked for the payroll details of the department I headed. The highest paid sales person was a woman. The 3 salesmen all trailed behind her. Among the 4 support staff the guy was the best paid and the women paid anywhere to 10-20% less. They all did the same job but had different experience, qualifications and skills. It’s very difficult to pay the same wages as I found out but I was the only senior executive pushing to narrow the gap. Everyone else thought I was mad... I never heard if it went ahead or not as I left the firm shortly afterwards over an issue I would not compromise on.

Anyway my final points are these. Good / Baseline manners start at home. Treat people the way you want to be treated and be nice to all. Even the pricks, they deserve it too.

I support the Guardian and that’s all spun out of the brilliant pieces Amy Lawrence writes, 30 years of watching the world go to shit and to support proper investigative journalism not the owners agenda.

Good news doesn’t sell newspapers. Never has, never will.

PS - MeToo

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would be, I am female and you have no wish to understand.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I’ve read this through and shake my head in frustration at the comments.

A journalist writing an article is batshit crazy? Give me a break. She wrote the piece to draw attention to a topical issue and highlight behaviours prevalent in today’s society.

When was the last time anyone walked down the street with a bag of Truprint photos of their bits handing them out to people willy nilly. Or walking over to a woman and feeling her up as part of your opening moves. Chances are you’d get a shoeing from a few of them.

The internet age allows anonymity and breeds off that. Unwanted dick pics in your inbox / feed are a sign of the times and are wrong on any level. Yes even on here.

Still amazes me that people believe no somehow means yes, that a badly d*unk person said yes to sex, two people are paid differently for the same role, I could go on but I think you might see where I’m coming from.

When I held my last 9-5 role I asked for the payroll details of the department I headed. The highest paid sales person was a woman. The 3 salesmen all trailed behind her. Among the 4 support staff the guy was the best paid and the women paid anywhere to 10-20% less. They all did the same job but had different experience, qualifications and skills. It’s very difficult to pay the same wages as I found out but I was the only senior executive pushing to narrow the gap. Everyone else thought I was mad... I never heard if it went ahead or not as I left the firm shortly afterwards over an issue I would not compromise on.

Anyway my final points are these. Good / Baseline manners start at home. Treat people the way you want to be treated and be nice to all. Even the pricks, they deserve it too.

I support the Guardian and that’s all spun out of the brilliant pieces Amy Lawrence writes, 30 years of watching the world go to shit and to support proper investigative journalism not the owners agenda.

Good news doesn’t sell newspapers. Never has, never will.

PS - MeToo "

Thanks for your post - it shows that these issues are complex and not one sided.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The thing is, the rift you're so worried about already exists, and always has.

The only difference is people aren't willing to play along with the previous arrangement of pretending that it doesn't.

Apparently, this is the real injustice.

Who knew?

That's bollox, even 10 years ago people were much more chilled about all this stuff. "

Amazingly, being "chilled" about something doesn't lead people to change their behaviour.

And somehow this leads you to believe that it is bad that people have stopped placing your comfort ahead of their dignity.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"The thing is, the rift you're so worried about already exists, and always has.

The only difference is people aren't willing to play along with the previous arrangement of pretending that it doesn't.

Apparently, this is the real injustice.

Who knew?

That's bollox, even 10 years ago people were much more chilled about all this stuff.

Amazingly, being "chilled" about something doesn't lead people to change their behaviour.

And somehow this leads you to believe that it is bad that people have stopped placing your comfort ahead of their dignity."

You make me laugh.

Again... Just tell murderers to stop murdering

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Respect for women has always been the message...ask your dad. You act as if it's a new thing.

10 years ago we didn't have radical feminists dressed up as churnalists to stir the pot (and to profit from a nice industry of books, talks and blogs... )

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The thing is, the rift you're so worried about already exists, and always has.

The only difference is people aren't willing to play along with the previous arrangement of pretending that it doesn't.

Apparently, this is the real injustice.

Who knew?

That's bollox, even 10 years ago people were much more chilled about all this stuff.

Amazingly, being "chilled" about something doesn't lead people to change their behaviour.

And somehow this leads you to believe that it is bad that people have stopped placing your comfort ahead of their dignity.

You make me laugh.

Again... Just tell murderers to stop murdering

"

The sad part is you think this is a clever observation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Respect for women has always been the message...ask your dad. You act as if it's a new thing.

10 years ago we didn't have radical feminists dressed up as churnalists to stir the pot (and to profit from a nice industry of books, talks and blogs... ) "

Do you consider "hey, here's how not to be a creep" to be a radical position?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I consider it to be common sense.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"The thing is, the rift you're so worried about already exists, and always has.

The only difference is people aren't willing to play along with the previous arrangement of pretending that it doesn't.

Apparently, this is the real injustice.

Who knew?

That's bollox, even 10 years ago people were much more chilled about all this stuff.

Amazingly, being "chilled" about something doesn't lead people to change their behaviour.

And somehow this leads you to believe that it is bad that people have stopped placing your comfort ahead of their dignity.

You make me laugh.

Again... Just tell murderers to stop murdering

The sad part is you think this is a clever observation."

You still can't rationalise that the people who are pricks to women aren't go to heed such an article

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Dude some women absolutely fucking torched you in the past didnt she .

Come on fess up.

No motherfucker is that hung upon feminism without being burnt bad.Tell us what happened and someone might find some sympathy in here

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Dude some women absolutely fucking torched you in the past didnt she .

Come on fess up.

No motherfucker is that hung upon feminism without being burnt bad.Tell us what happened and someone might find some sympathy in here"

Ha ha nope, just wishful thinking on your part.

Just my opinion after having a deeper look at the whole thing.

I'd advise you to watch the red pill documentary (by a former feminist) with an open mind. (ignore the title I don't subscribe to the red pill shite either - its just as bad).

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

She got slated on twitter for her sexist bile anyway.

Nice to see she hates penis pics but is promoting some stylish anatomy of the vagina sweatshirts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Dude some women absolutely fucking torched you in the past didnt she .

Come on fess up.

No motherfucker is that hung upon feminism without being burnt bad.Tell us what happened and someone might find some sympathy in here

Ha ha nope, just wishful thinking on your part.

Just my opinion after having a deeper look at the whole thing.

I'd advise you to watch the red pill documentary (by a former feminist) with an open mind. (ignore the title I don't subscribe to the red pill shite either - its just as bad). "
i should watch it i guess.It seems to be a male activists funded propaganda film from what I've read(Maybe the opinion of Manginas).However i like watching things that i probably will disagree with.Just to fuck with my own confirmation biases.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Dude some women absolutely fucking torched you in the past didnt she .

Come on fess up.

No motherfucker is that hung upon feminism without being burnt bad.Tell us what happened and someone might find some sympathy in here

Ha ha nope, just wishful thinking on your part.

Just my opinion after having a deeper look at the whole thing.

I'd advise you to watch the red pill documentary (by a former feminist) with an open mind. (ignore the title I don't subscribe to the red pill shite either - its just as bad). i should watch it i guess.It seems to be a male activists funded propaganda film from what I've read(Maybe the opinion of Manginas).However i like watching things that i probably will disagree with.Just to fuck with my own confirmation biases. "

I'm the same

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Dude some women absolutely fucking torched you in the past didnt she .

Come on fess up.

No motherfucker is that hung upon feminism without being burnt bad.Tell us what happened and someone might find some sympathy in here

Ha ha nope, just wishful thinking on your part.

Just my opinion after having a deeper look at the whole thing.

I'd advise you to watch the red pill documentary (by a former feminist) with an open mind. (ignore the title I don't subscribe to the red pill shite either - its just as bad). i should watch it i guess.It seems to be a male activists funded propaganda film from what I've read(Maybe the opinion of Manginas).However i like watching things that i probably will disagree with.Just to fuck with my own confirmation biases.

I'm the same "
Its not on Netflix.i think they banned it.. or youtube. Where can i find this documentary. Torrent sites.?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Probably... Free speech is dead

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple


"Probably... Free speech is dead "

Hopefully misogynist speech is dying out slowly. There is a rise in divine feminine energy which for some men is a threat. Personally I like most men, some are sexist bigots - these I avoid in the main.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Probably... Free speech is dead

Hopefully misogynist speech is dying out slowly. There is a rise in divine feminine energy which for some men is a threat. Personally I like most men, some are sexist bigots - these I avoid in the main."

Divine feminine energy does have a nice ring to it.Very Earth mother.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I'm jealous of your energy, I'm cursed with toxic masculinity... Apparently

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I really wanted to be a 100 meter sprinter but alas it's dominated by black guys who actually train very hard, eat great diets and don't smoke cigars.,...I still think it's just coz theys black though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I consider it to be common sense. "

Then what in the world are you even whining about?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Probably... Free speech is dead "

Netflix, a private company, has no obligation to carry things simply because you think they're good.

Painting it as "Free speech is dead" is wrong, and shows a profound lack of understanding.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The thing is, the rift you're so worried about already exists, and always has.

The only difference is people aren't willing to play along with the previous arrangement of pretending that it doesn't.

Apparently, this is the real injustice.

Who knew?

That's bollox, even 10 years ago people were much more chilled about all this stuff.

Amazingly, being "chilled" about something doesn't lead people to change their behaviour.

And somehow this leads you to believe that it is bad that people have stopped placing your comfort ahead of their dignity.

You make me laugh.

Again... Just tell murderers to stop murdering

The sad part is you think this is a clever observation.

You still can't rationalise that the people who are pricks to women aren't go to heed such an article "

And this is relevant why?

Someone who is not interested in a given topic won't read an article about said topic isn't a deep insight.

Does this mean the article should not have been written? Hardly.

The complaint seems to have become that it won't end sexism with a pen stroke? If so, why do you imagine you should be taken seriously?

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"

You still can't rationalise that the people who are pricks to women aren't go to heed such an article

"

This just betrays a fundamentally shallow understanding of the issue being discussed.

'People who are pricks to women' aren't all evil recalcitrant sexists who cackle about their abuses like super villains.

We have a society with casually sexist attitudes, and otherwise perfectly decent men and women grow up in that and perpetuate this without thinking it needs to be challenged.

Articles like this can open eyes.

They can also help those who have been abused find courage that they are not alone.

And even if they achieve nothing at all, they don't do any harm other than to the feelings of sad men who can't be bothered to understand that they personally are not being attacked.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Probably... Free speech is dead

Netflix, a private company, has no obligation to carry things simply because you think they're good.

Painting it as "Free speech is dead" is wrong, and shows a profound lack of understanding.

"

A lack on your part. Also banned in parts of Australia.

Supplying common sense with a tone of original sin (read the last one again...) and labelling societal problems as men only is the issue.

There are also sexist remarks roped into the more sensible stuff which read along the lines of trust all women and men are always wrong and at fault. It's sexist bile from a fragile ego.

Read the comments on twitter, she generally humiliated herself with that article and plenty of women have a similar sentiment to me about about it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"

And even if they achieve nothing at all, they don't do any harm other than to the feelings of sad men who can't be bothered to understand that they personally are not being attacked."

I'm always abused that feminists like you always talk about offense and feeling threatened on the part of women and then your go to smart ass retort is... "Oh sorry did I hurt your feelings"?

It's almost like you support a societal construct of men having to be tough :p

One of many layers of hypocrisy

I've a question for you - what do you think of the slogan "drink male tears"?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Probably... Free speech is dead

Netflix, a private company, has no obligation to carry things simply because you think they're good.

Painting it as "Free speech is dead" is wrong, and shows a profound lack of understanding.

A lack on your part. Also banned in parts of Australia.

"

It's not banned.

Cinemas refused to screen it, this is not the same thing.


"

Supplying common sense with a tone of original sin (read the last one again...) and labelling societal problems as men only is the issue.

"

Given that the article focuses on men and their behaviour, why on earth would you be expecting the author to spend time catering to your ideas of what they should and should not be writing.


"

There are also sexist remarks roped into the more sensible stuff which read along the lines of trust all women and men are always wrong and at fault. It's sexist bile from a fragile ego.

"

The visceral response to an article advising men how to behave better suggests that the claims of the author's fragility is more than likely to be projection.

"How dare she" is not a compelling argument.


"

Read the comments on twitter, she generally humiliated herself with that article and plenty of women have a similar sentiment to me about about it. "

"I found some people on the internet that agree with me"

Good for you, why should anyone care?

After all we can find plenty of people that agree with the author, what do you think that means for your notion of your opinion being valid because you can claim to have it shared by others?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

What happened to equality John?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"

After all we can find plenty of people that agree with the author, what do you think that means for your notion of your opinion being valid because you can claim to have it shared by others? "

It means that you use too many words to say very little

Have you ever had an original thought or do you just recycle everything you hear?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

After all we can find plenty of people that agree with the author, what do you think that means for your notion of your opinion being valid because you can claim to have it shared by others?

It means that you use too many words to say very little

Have you ever had an original thought or do you just recycle everything you hear? "

Would I be expecting too much if I pressed you for an answer?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What happened to equality John? "

I feel like you have to have something in the first place in order to ask what happened to it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Give me your opinion on my point number 3 about 10 posts up and your opinion on the phrases "drinks male tears" and "bathes in male tears" and i'll answer you.

On your last point, it looks like you are operating from a misconceived position of two wrongs make a right

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A simple "no" would have sufficed.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"A simple "no" would have sufficed.

"

Ha ha nice copout

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple


"I'm jealous of your energy, I'm cursed with toxic masculinity... Apparently "

Really ? The divine masculine power is so magnificent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A simple "no" would have sufficed.

Ha ha nice copout "

I see no reason to humour you and engage in a quid pro quo.

And you've certainly given me no reason to think you'd even honour the terms you've laid out, so what on earth makes you think I'd indulge you?

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"

And even if they achieve nothing at all, they don't do any harm other than to the feelings of sad men who can't be bothered to understand that they personally are not being attacked.

I'm always abused that feminists like you always talk about offense and feeling threatened on the part of women and then your go to smart ass retort is... "Oh sorry did I hurt your feelings"?

It's almost like you support a societal construct of men having to be tough :p

One of many layers of hypocrisy

I've a question for you - what do you think of the slogan "drink male tears"? "

There's a difference between having your feelings hurt by obviously egregious behavior, and having your feelings hurt because your ego is so fragile that you can't take the truth being pointed out to you. No hypocrisy involved at all.

And I really don't care about the phrase 'drink male tears' one way or the other. I don't think it's funny or useful but nor do I think it does any damage to men.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"A simple "no" would have sufficed.

Ha ha nice copout

I see no reason to humour you and engage in a quid pro quo.

And you've certainly given me no reason to think you'd even honour the terms you've laid out, so what on earth makes you think I'd indulge you?"

In other words... I asked you a difficult question that it doesn't suit you to answer

I'm here to honour any debate.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"

And even if they achieve nothing at all, they don't do any harm other than to the feelings of sad men who can't be bothered to understand that they personally are not being attacked.

I'm always abused that feminists like you always talk about offense and feeling threatened on the part of women and then your go to smart ass retort is... "Oh sorry did I hurt your feelings"?

It's almost like you support a societal construct of men having to be tough :p

One of many layers of hypocrisy

I've a question for you - what do you think of the slogan "drink male tears"?

There's a difference between having your feelings hurt by obviously egregious behavior, and having your feelings hurt because your ego is so fragile that you can't take the truth being pointed out to you. No hypocrisy involved at all.

And I really don't care about the phrase 'drink male tears' one way or the other. I don't think it's funny or useful but nor do I think it does any damage to men. "

One directional offense. Convenient

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You're just deflecting from your sexism here stove.

We are on the Internet, and white knighting is particularly apt in your case.

If you don't accept my correct t then tell us - Why are women justified about being angry at men? "

Women (the generalisation of the gender) have always been angry at men and probably always will. I don't condone any form of sexual harassment (the key word being harassment).

I don't condone any form of sexual bullying (the key word being bullying).

I do expect people (men and women) to stand up for themselves - if you are offended by spoken words or acts you have to say so - when it happens.

There should be positive outcomes from the current sexual harassment media storm, but, I think the way the stories, buzz words and endless side line debates are going it will not achieve any great change. The main issue of men using a powerful position in a business to harass and bully women (and men) for sex is being lost in the side line debates about what women wear and how they aren't represented in the boardroom.

Inappropriate touching - you get groped patted on the ass or rubbed against should be dealt with by a slap.

Seriously slap that person. If more of this was done it would be better for society. This would probably create more equality in the long run than the current media storm.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A simple "no" would have sufficed.

Ha ha nice copout

I see no reason to humour you and engage in a quid pro quo.

And you've certainly given me no reason to think you'd even honour the terms you've laid out, so what on earth makes you think I'd indulge you?

In other words... I asked you a difficult question that it doesn't suit you to answer

I'm here to honour any debate. "

Then answer the question you were asked.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Inappropriate touching - you get groped patted on the ass or rubbed against should be dealt with by a slap.

Seriously slap that person. If more of this was done it would be better for society. This would probably create more equality in the long run than the current media storm. "

And what happens when the person who gets slapped takes that poorly and decides to escalate things?

The only solution is that people don't fucking grope people who do not want to be groped, and when people do transgress, we treat it as assault and not "harmless japes".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Gender studies you definitely do better on than stems!

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"

And even if they achieve nothing at all, they don't do any harm other than to the feelings of sad men who can't be bothered to understand that they personally are not being attacked.

I'm always abused that feminists like you always talk about offense and feeling threatened on the part of women and then your go to smart ass retort is... "Oh sorry did I hurt your feelings"?

It's almost like you support a societal construct of men having to be tough :p

One of many layers of hypocrisy

I've a question for you - what do you think of the slogan "drink male tears"?

There's a difference between having your feelings hurt by obviously egregious behavior, and having your feelings hurt because your ego is so fragile that you can't take the truth being pointed out to you. No hypocrisy involved at all.

And I really don't care about the phrase 'drink male tears' one way or the other. I don't think it's funny or useful but nor do I think it does any damage to men.

One directional offense. Convenient "

A complete (and probably deliberate) misinterpretation of what I said.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Inappropriate touching - you get groped patted on the ass or rubbed against should be dealt with by a slap.

Seriously slap that person. If more of this was done it would be better for society. This would probably create more equality in the long run than the current media storm.

And what happens when the person who gets slapped takes that poorly and decides to escalate things?

The only solution is that people don't fucking grope people who do not want to be groped, and when people do transgress, we treat it as assault and not "harmless japes".

"

But it doesn't get treated as assault and the women are either intimidated or embarrassed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Gender studies you definitely do better on than stems!"

I'm exceptional at both.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"

Then answer the question you were asked."

I haven't seen you be so honest in answering tricky question so again I'll invite you and then I'll answer your lovely question as agreed.

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

Jesus Flash, you still getting triggered? Stay gold, Ponyboy.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

The evidence is mounting – a man’s place is in the home

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/nov/04/evidence-mounting-mans-place-in-home?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

How about this OP?

I'm sure you agree that men are 'inherently r@pey in nature'.

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