FabSwingers.com forum: A post to support all the unborn babies due to be killed today

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

So I've recently spent some time looking I to this,formally being pro choice I have recently changed my views - here's why...

I really don't see the difference between aborting a "unborn baby" be it at 2 weeks or 38 weeks is any different to taking the life of a "new borb baby" - where people have been convicted of killing babies they are held up as monsters in our society. Where the baby happens to be living at the time, ie in the womb or in a house doesn't change things for me? I'd like to hear why it changes everything for some? Which takes me onto my next pount...

People say, but the unborn child wouldn't survive on its own. Okay well a new born baby would not survive without constant attention outside the womb. If your view is that "something being helpless makes it okay to be killed" that it die would for anyway if left to itself. What is wrong with my view that something being weak and helpless means we should protect it, both in terms of law and literally?

Also people bring up women who are pregnant as a result of a sexual attack case example too, yes this is a terrible situation. The woman is a victim of a terrible crime and as a society we need to support her fully. But if as a result of that crime a innocent child has been produced, then aborting the child does not undo the crime or "put things right". In the example here the woman has been a victim, but why make another victim and end the life of a unborn child. People would say but the pregnancy will be terrible for the woman, I agree, but does it justify murder? I decided no.

Where there are health concerns for the mother brought about by the pregnancy, the doctors always prioritise the mother and save the mother first, that happens now and I agree with this.

If you have sex, an act known to create life - it does not give you the right to end that life if you choose to, for whatever reason.

I'd invite a debate with any points I've made above, but would ask that we all be respectful to each other.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"Also people bring up women who are pregnant as a result of a sexual attack case example too, yes this is a terrible situation. The woman is a victim of a terrible crime and as a society we need to support her fully. But if as a result of that crime a innocent child has been produced, then aborting the child does not undo the crime or "put things right". In the example here the woman has been a victim, but why make another victim and end the life of a unborn child. People would say but the pregnancy will be terrible for the woman, I agree, but does it justify murder? I decided no."

Really?

So lets just examine the alternative to what you call murder and its subsequent alternatives.

So a r@ped woman should be forced to carry the result of that r@pe to term and then give birth to the issue. Therefore you are claiming that if a fetus is the product of a r@pe then the r@pe victim should be forced to endure the result for 9 months and then go through labour just so some pro life fucktard can feel good! Then of course after the birth what happens to the child? Are you going to force the mother to keep it? What do you think the life of a child conceived in r@pe and forced on the mother would be like? Do you think it maybe subject to abuse as its mere existence would force the r@:e victim to live and relive her ordeal every day of her life? Or are you going to allow the mother to reject the baby and leave a child to grow up knowing it was never wanted and was the result of r@pe? Or are you going to refuse to leave the child know its heritage? And if you decide to do that are you going to change the law and make all adopted children's heritage secret? Do you remember how cruel children are? Would you like to reconsider at least that part of your post?

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple
over a year ago

Falkirk

It's not "YOUR" choice though.

And the law supports the woman's choice to terminate.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I see your point and I understand what you are saying.

I would say that yes it would be terrible for the victim who had been impregnated by the sexual attack, that us wrong and is a crime, is be happy to see the attacker in prison for the rest of his life, also when sentencing the criminal the fact that the victim will have to go through the pregnancy should be took into consideration. But the unborn child has done no wrong? Why do they deserve a chance to life any less that the unborn child in the womb of for example a married catholic couple? We would need to put a support structure in place for during and after the pregnancy. In the UK we have a long waiting list of wannabe parents all waiting for children to adopt. I don't really know the rules/laws as to the details after, and what I would say on the birth certificate- but I'm sure it won't justify the unborn baby being killed

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It's not "YOUR" choice though.

And the law supports the woman's choice to terminate.

Sorry I don't follow your point can you expand, and what do you mean by ' it's not "your" choice'.

I'm not bring funny I just don't understand so I can't reply

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"It's not "YOUR" choice though.

And the law supports the woman's choice to terminate.

Many in the pro life camp see only the unborn being murdered and that is the whole issue to them. The fact is if they can find enough vocal support than the law may well be changed. It is better to point out what a change in the law will actually mean for those effected by that change rather than just attacking the pro life lobby. I chose the r@pe paragraph because there the issue is clearer than in other cases.

Although I could have just pointed out that it is easy for a man to make pronouncements on things that will never directly effect him because he is not a woman.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"I see your point and I understand what you are saying.

With all due respect NO you don't!

If a woman really wants to terminate a pregnancy they will! If there is no other alternative they will use a coat-hanger or knitting needle. You would return us to a time of back street abortionists and women being criminalised for refusing to carry to term the results of r@pe. You really do need to reevaluate and reset your moral compass.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It's not "YOUR" choice though.

And the law supports the woman's choice to terminate.

Although I could have just pointed out that it is easy for a man to make pronouncements on things that will never directly effect him because he is not a woman."

How do you not see it as murder though?

I know that sounds like a trap, but it was this question that made me change my views before.

I also do think that men are entitled to have views on this.

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By *issing in actionWoman
over a year ago

Llanelli

I also do think that men are entitled to have views on this.

When men can get pregnant THEN they are entitled to an opinion on abortion

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"How do you not see it as murder though?

I know that sounds like a trap, but it was this question that made me change my views before.

I also do think that men are entitled to have views on this.

Fair question.

How can it be murder if the embryo is not capable of independent life? Now I can understand and sympathise with the ethical dilemmas caused when determining at what point an embryo becomes capable of independent survival and medical technology advances continue to reduce the time between conception and ability to survive outside the womb in fact it may be possible to grow a human in vitro to term now. But would you consider that to be ethical? Most pro lifers would have a fit if it was proposed that as soon as a r@pe victim was found to be pregnant the embryo was removed and grown in a lab.

As I said you really need a seriously moral/ethical rethink because things are not black and white.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Dont like porn dont watch it.

Dont like drugs dont take them.

Dont like abortions dont have one.

Dont like your rights taken away dont take other peoples rights away.

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By *ELLONS AND CREAMWoman
over a year ago

stourbridge area

Its depends on each individual case .... there may be a medical reason why .....

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I also do think that men are entitled to have views on this.

When men can get pregnant THEN they are entitled to an opinion on abortion"

Why?

You're profile says you are 45 years old, potentially postmenopausal, you can't get pregnant either. So are your views invalid too?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"How do you not see it as murder though?

I know that sounds like a trap, but it was this question that made me change my views before.

I also do think that men are entitled to have views on this.

Fair question.

As I said you really need a seriously moral/ethical rethink because things are not black and white. "

Is a one week old capable of independent life? And why is is wrong to kill one but not a unborn child

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I'm not against terminating pregnancies it's the fact the unborn child has to die in the process, if there was a way of the babies being grown in a lab as previously mentioned then great

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"Is a one week old capable of independent life? And why is is wrong to kill one but not a unborn child"

Good question. Is it? I think you need to learn a little human biology. Maybe if you do a little reading you will gain some perspective and not be asking questions you should have found the answers to before you decided to join a camp that seek to control other peoples ability to control their own bodies. You may also want to do a little reading into what life was really like for women before the 1967 abortion act

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"I'm not against terminating pregnancies it's the fact the unborn child has to die in the process, if there was a way of the babies being grown in a lab as previously mentioned then great"

Don't mention that to who ever you were talking to that convinced you abortions are wrong. They won't like you any more.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Up to the WOMAN to decide....not some Jacob Rees Mogg type....like a poster just said when MEN can get pregnant then they can have a say

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Is a one week old capable of independent life? And why is is wrong to kill one but not a unborn child

Well educate me then? Don't just say there is a really good reason I'm right, but I'm not going to say it. If you're right, let's hear why...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Up to the WOMAN to decide....not some Jacob Rees Mogg type....like a poster just said when MEN can get pregnant then they can have a say "

Think we are never going to agree but thsnks for posting

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By *issing in actionWoman
over a year ago

Llanelli

You're profile says you are 45 years old, potentially postmenopausal, you can't get pregnant either. So are your views invalid too?"

That shows you don't know what you're talking about then! But if you want to have a word with Mother Nature on my behalf...be my guest!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Up to the WOMAN to decide....not some Jacob Rees Mogg type....like a poster just said when MEN can get pregnant then they can have a say

Think we are never going to agree but thsnks for posting"

Why would i agree with someone who wants to remove womens rights....i dod believe you know nothing about women or very little apart from maybe thinking they should be in the kitchen or the bedroom...just my thoughts on reading your posts

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Up to the WOMAN to decide....not some Jacob Rees Mogg type....like a poster just said when MEN can get pregnant then they can have a say

Think we are never going to agree but thsnks for posting

Since you're so concerned about rights, how about the ultimate right - the right to life.

I've noticed you're just attacking me for saying what I'm saying, and not saying. "I believe this and this is why..."

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

You're profile says you are 45 years old, potentially postmenopausal, you can't get pregnant either. So are your views invalid too?

That shows you don't know what you're talking about then! But if you want to have a word with Mother Nature on my behalf...be my guest!

I said potentially. I notice won't put up a counter argument, and have chosen just to state I don't know what I'm on about. Well let's bear where I've gone wrong?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Up to the WOMAN to decide....not some Jacob Rees Mogg type....like a poster just said when MEN can get pregnant then they can have a say

Think we are never going to agree but thsnks for posting

Since you're so concerned about rights, how about the ultimate right - the right to life.

I've noticed you're just attacking me for saying what I'm saying, and not saying. "I believe this and this is why...""

Im concerned more about the persons making the decision about there right to a life...and im not attacking you...i just think you know very little about women as one of your previous posts proves...women or some women can fall pregnant at a very late stage in life...something i dont think you realised

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Is a one week old capable of independent life? And why is is wrong to kill one but not a unborn child

I asked you how you justify it's not murder and you said it wasn't capable of independent life. To which i said "how about a one week old baby?"

So I was expecting you go justify how that your criteria to life was "to be capable of independent life" would not apply to a one week old which would die if left to be independent?

Instead you just told me that you're so obviously right and I'm so o viously wrong that you're not even going to explain why.

You brought up the independent point not me, I just asked you to clarify

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

Maybe it changes things for those people who are women or have empathy for women?

The difference between a womb and a house is that a womb is inside a person. A person who may, for a wide variety of reasons, really not want to grow a baby inside them for 9 months. Forcing women to do so against their will is bad for them, bad for the child, bad for society.

Also, a foetus is not a baby. It just isn't.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Up to the WOMAN to decide....not some Jacob Rees Mogg type....like a poster just said when MEN can get pregnant then they can have a say

Think we are never going to agree but thsnks for posting

Since you're so concerned about rights, how about the ultimate right - the right to life.

I've noticed you're just attacking me for saying what I'm saying, and not saying. "I believe this and this is why..."

A 45 year old can be postmenopausal - fact!

The fact you are arguing this point and not anything in my original post is just a waste of everyone's time.

I've laid my entire argument out, you could address any point but instead you just say you "don't think I know much about women". How does that add to this debate?

But maybe we just got off on the wrong foot. Can you answer this question.

1, I support the ending of an (established pregnancy) life in the womb because...

2, I dont support the killing of a 1 day old baby because...

3, I feel differently about question 1 and 2 because....

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By *issing in actionWoman
over a year ago

Llanelli

Forcing women to do so against their will is bad for them, bad for the child, bad for society."

A termination is only legal if continuing with the pregnancy will be harmful to the baby or the mother's mental or physical health

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Up to the WOMAN to decide....not some Jacob Rees Mogg type....like a poster just said when MEN can get pregnant then they can have a say

Think we are never going to agree but thsnks for posting

Since you're so concerned about rights, how about the ultimate right - the right to life.

I've noticed you're just attacking me for saying what I'm saying, and not saying. "I believe this and this is why..."

A 45 year old can be postmenopausal - fact!

The fact you are arguing this point and not anything in my original post is just a waste of everyone's time.

I've laid my entire argument out, you could address any point but instead you just say you "don't think I know much about women". How does that add to this debate?

But maybe we just got off on the wrong foot. Can you answer this question.

1, I support the ending of an (established pregnancy) life in the womb because...

2, I dont support the killing of a 1 day old baby because...

3, I feel differently about question 1 and 2 because...."

Let me lay this out for you one last time.....the abortion laws were passed for good reasons....

I care more about womens rights than some religious zealots thoughts.

I know women CAN be postmenopausal Fact.

Now you tell everyone the reasoning behind your thoughts on it

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By *issing in actionWoman
over a year ago

Llanelli

A 45 year old can be postmenopausal - fact!

The fact you are arguing this point and not anything in my original post is just a waste of everyone's time. "

Wtf?! This one isn't!!!! It's a valid point because not only was it extremely rude, but it demonstrated how very little understanding of biology you have

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

A 45 year old can be postmenopausal - fact!

The fact you are arguing this point and not anything in my original post is just a waste of everyone's time.

Wtf?! This one isn't!!!! It's a valid point because not only was it extremely rude, but it demonstrated how very little understanding of biology you have"

If you don't want to add to the debate please stop clogging up the thread with this nonsense - it just ruined the flow for the debate for everyone else.

It doesn't show lack of knowledge, a quick Google will show that all references to the menopause say it starts at 45-55. So when I said you potentially have started then I was correct. As you within the age range - now thats a fact.

I'd love you to contribute to the debate but just adding noise doesn't help anyone.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Can someone answer me these 3 question

1, I support the ending of an (established pregnancy) life in the womb because...

2, I dont support the killing of a 1 day old baby because...

3, I feel differently about question 1 and 2 because....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A 45 year old can be postmenopausal - fact!

The fact you are arguing this point and not anything in my original post is just a waste of everyone's time.

Wtf?! This one isn't!!!! It's a valid point because not only was it extremely rude, but it demonstrated how very little understanding of biology you have

If you don't want to add to the debate please stop clogging up the thread with this nonsense - it just ruined the flow for the debate for everyone else.

I'd love you to contribute to the debate but just adding noise doesn't help anyone.

You talk a load of shite tbh....the menopause can start at any age

Some ladies have it earlier some have it later....you know very little about women

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"Can someone answer me these 3 question

1, I support the ending of an (established pregnancy) life in the womb because...

2, I dont support the killing of a 1 day old baby because...

3, I feel differently about question 1 and 2 because...."

All your questions can be answered by the facts that a) fetuses aren't people and b) women *are* people and get to decide what they do with their own bodies.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

A 45 year old can be postmenopausal - fact!

The fact you are arguing this point and not anything in my original post is just a waste of everyone's time.

Wtf?! This one isn't!!!! It's a valid point because not only was it extremely rude, but it demonstrated how very little understanding of biology you have

If you don't want to add to the debate please stop clogging up the thread with this nonsense - it just ruined the flow for the debate for everyone else.

I'd love you to contribute to the debate but just adding noise doesn't help anyone.

You talk a load of shite tbh....the menopause can start at any age

Some ladies have it earlier some have it later....you know very little about women

Do me a favour before any comments on this menopause point again, Google it. Read what the top 10 results on Google say is the age range. Because each one says it starts at 45-55, so when I said a 45 year old could have "potentially" have started I was 100% correct - no debate.

Let's move on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A 45 year old can be postmenopausal - fact!

The fact you are arguing this point and not anything in my original post is just a waste of everyone's time.

Wtf?! This one isn't!!!! It's a valid point because not only was it extremely rude, but it demonstrated how very little understanding of biology you have

If you don't want to add to the debate please stop clogging up the thread with this nonsense - it just ruined the flow for the debate for everyone else.

I'd love you to contribute to the debate but just adding noise doesn't help anyone.

You talk a load of shite tbh....the menopause can start at any age

Some ladies have it earlier some have it later....you know very little about women

Let's move on"

Im guessing you have never been married....oh and i can see theres no debating with you...as can others

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Speaks volumes that the only poimt people chose to attack was that I said the menopause can start at 45 years old. This is backed up by every medical establishment going - and if anyone actually bothered yo check rather than saying "you obvously dont know anything about women"

Google it, it's so easy to see you're all wrong. Funny really.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I also do think that men are entitled to have views on this.

When men can get pregnant THEN they are entitled to an opinion on abortion"

Exactly this

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Love how when people don't have the intelligence to debate a grown up topic they drag it down to their level.

Think they've won the debate because all the intelligent people involved get bored and leave.

Funny thing is not one of you will bother to check if you're actually wrong, in your little world you're right and that's all that matters. Doesn't matter that every medical establishment agrees with me, top result on Google the NHS

"The menopause is a natural part of ageing that usually occurs between 45 and 55 years of age, as a woman's oestrogen levels decline."

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By *issing in actionWoman
over a year ago

Llanelli

"Speaks volumes that the only poimt people chose to attack was that I said the menopause can start at 45 years old. This is backed up by every medical establishment going - and if anyone actually bothered yo check rather than saying "you obvously dont know anything about women"

Google it, it's so easy to see you're all wrong. Funny really.

Nothing funnier than your posts, I haven't laughed so much in ages! Face it, you totally discredited yourself telling me my eggs had dried up! Maybe you should stick to facts and not make assumptions, then we could take you seriously

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Google it, it's so easy to see you're all wrong. Funny really.

Can you tell me the meaning of the word "potentially"???

Honestly tell we what potentially means? As once you realise what it means you will realise how silly you have been.

I'll wait here for your response

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A post to support all the unborn babies due to be killed today.

Most of which are currently a soup of DNA and disconnected cells.

How about we worry about those children starving to death, or women forced to marry their rapist so he can avoid jail, or abused children in homes that can't love or care for them.

We don't live in a perfect world, answers are often dependant on individual circumstances. Abortion is not a great option, but sometimes it's the best one.

And in the case of some with euthanasia would be kind and humane.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'll wait here for your response "

Now you are just being an arse OP.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I'll wait here for your response

Now you are just being an arse OP."

I am, but only because good debate has been ruined by 3-4 people not understanding a point I made and took over the thread saying silly stuff. Meaning an debate I was enjoying has been ruined

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By *issing in actionWoman
over a year ago

Llanelli

you can't get pregnant either. So are your views invalid too?"

Where is "potentially"?

Even if I had had my menopause, I've still experienced childbirth which you never will, and have a better understanding of what a woman puts her body through for a termination which you never will, so yeah my view still be more valid than yours

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

" She's now gone offline!!

Wondered if I've ruined my chances of a meet with her ha ha.

Good grief

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You're entitled to your opinions, but ultimately I'm still not to persuaded to move from my stance that all individuals should have agency over their bodies.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

you can't get pregnant either. So are your views invalid too?

Where is "potentially"?

So the whole argument about when I said about the menaupaise you didn't even read my post properly. So you didn't even understand my point.

This is so silly, I can't be bothered with this now.

Sorry to the few people who were actually contributing to the discussion - guess this forum not the best for anything other that "snog, marry or avoid" and stuff like that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'll wait here for your response

Now you are just being an arse OP."

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

The OP is a troll.

Stop feeding the troll.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

you can't get pregnant either. So are your views invalid too?

Where is "potentially"?

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By *issing in actionWoman
over a year ago

Llanelli

"The OP is a troll.

Stop feeding the troll."

But he's comedy gold!

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

you can't get pregnant either. So are your views invalid too?

Where is "potentially"?

So the whole argument about when I said about the menaupaise you didn't even read my post properly. So you didn't even understand my point.

This is so silly, I can't be bothered with this now.

Sorry to the few people who were actually contributing to the discussion - guess this forum not the best for anything other that "snog, marry or avoid" and stuff like that."

Don't act so high and mighty. Nobody forced you to get into an argument on a different topic. Just say 'sorry, I'm going to stuck to the initial point' and get on with it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The OP is a troll.

Stop feeding the troll.

But he's comedy gold!

Tbh id call him quite a sad man with those thoughts on women

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

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By *issing in actionWoman
over a year ago

Llanelli

you can't get pregnant either. So are your views invalid too?

Where is "potentially"?

So the whole argument about when I said about the menaupaise you didn't even read my post properly. So you didn't even understand my point.

This is so silly, I can't be bothered with this now.

Sorry to the few people who were actually contributing to the discussion - guess this forum not the best for anything other that "snog, marry or avoid" and stuff like that.

Don't act so high and mighty. Nobody forced you to get into an argument on a different topic. Just say 'sorry, I'm going to stuck to the initial point' and get on with it. "

He's quitting while he's behind

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple
over a year ago

Falkirk

"It's not "YOUR" choice though.

And the law supports the woman's choice to terminate.

Sorry I don't follow your point can you expand, and what do you mean by ' it's not "your" choice'.

I'm not bring funny I just don't understand so I can't reply"

Again it's not your decision to make.

Just because you have thought long and hard about what decision you have decided to make does not mean I and many others have to agree with it.

Scream shout and protest all you like but the decision comes down to the individual woman.

What do you find hard to grasp?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The OP is a troll.

Stop feeding the troll.

But he's comedy gold!

Tbh id call him quite a sad man with those thoughts on women

What thought on women?

Tell me what you think my thoughts on women are?

I dont have too...you made them obvious

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It's not "YOUR" choice though.

And the law supports the woman's choice to terminate.

Sorry I don't follow your point can you expand, and what do you mean by ' it's not "your" choice'.

I'm not bring funny I just don't understand so I can't reply

Again it's not your decision to make.

Just because you have thought long and hard about what decision you have decided to make does not mean I and many others have to agree with it.

Scream shout and protest all you like but the decision comes down to the individual woman.

What do you find hard to grasp? "

I'm not unsure on what the current situation is, I'm putting forward an alternative view.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"The OP is a troll.

Stop feeding the troll.

But he's comedy gold!

Tbh id call him quite a sad man with those thoughts on women

What thought on women?

Tell me what you think my thoughts on women are?

I dont have too...you made them obvious "

Ha ha, I love it when people lie and get caught out

No go on, ive said nothing about women's rights.

The only right I've talked about is the right of an unborn child to live.

So I want you to tell me, preferably with a quote of what i have said about women's rights.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"The OP is a troll.

Stop feeding the troll.

But he's comedy gold!

Tbh id call him quite a sad man with those thoughts on women

What thought on women?

Tell me what you think my thoughts on women are?

I dont have too...you made them obvious

Ha ha, I love it when people lie and get caught out

No go on, ive said nothing about women's rights.

The only right I've talked about is the right of an unborn child to live.

So I want you to tell me, preferably with a quote of what i have said about women's rights."

The fact that you've not mentioned them at all tells us all we need to know. If you're prepared to support forcing women to be pregnant against their will, you clearly have little regard for women's rights.

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By *issing in actionWoman
over a year ago

Llanelli

So I want you to tell me, preferably with a quote of what i have said about women's rights."

You want to take a woman's right to decide what she does with her body away from her. It won't happen. She'll just go to a backstreet abortionist, get infected, die and won't be home to put your supper on when you come back from the pub

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple
over a year ago

Falkirk

"It's not "YOUR" choice though.

And the law supports the woman's choice to terminate.

Sorry I don't follow your point can you expand, and what do you mean by ' it's not "your" choice'.

I'm not bring funny I just don't understand so I can't reply

Again it's not your decision to make.

Just because you have thought long and hard about what decision you have decided to make does not mean I and many others have to agree with it.

Scream shout and protest all you like but the decision comes down to the individual woman.

What do you find hard to grasp?

I'm not unsure on what the current situation is, I'm putting forward an alternative view.

So as a woman am I intitled to and alternate view on your original post?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"The OP is a troll.

Stop feeding the troll.

But he's comedy gold!

Tbh id call him quite a sad man with those thoughts on women

What thought on women?

Tell me what you think my thoughts on women are?

I dont have too...you made them obvious

Ha ha, I love it when people lie and get caught out

No go on, ive said nothing about women's rights.

The only right I've talked about is the right of an unborn child to live.

So I want you to tell me, preferably with a quote of what i have said about women's rights.

Consider again my opinions on rights when you consider that more than half the babies being killed in the womb are female (more in some cultures who abort girls to try again for boys) Surely the right to life over rides all other rights.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It's not "YOUR" choice though.

And the law supports the woman's choice to terminate.

Sorry I don't follow your point can you expand, and what do you mean by ' it's not "your" choice'.

I'm not bring funny I just don't understand so I can't reply

Again it's not your decision to make.

Just because you have thought long and hard about what decision you have decided to make does not mean I and many others have to agree with it.

Scream shout and protest all you like but the decision comes down to the individual woman.

What do you find hard to grasp?

I'm not unsure on what the current situation is, I'm putting forward an alternative view.

So as a woman am I intitled to and alternate view on your original post?

You certainly are.

What's your opinion?

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"The OP is a troll.

Stop feeding the troll.

But he's comedy gold!

Tbh id call him quite a sad man with those thoughts on women

What thought on women?

Tell me what you think my thoughts on women are?

I dont have too...you made them obvious

Ha ha, I love it when people lie and get caught out

No go on, ive said nothing about women's rights.

The only right I've talked about is the right of an unborn child to live.

So I want you to tell me, preferably with a quote of what i have said about women's rights.

By that logic everyone should be compelled to give one of their spare kidneys to save lives. Everyone should be forced to give blood regularly, or bone marrow when required.

But we don't violate peoples' bodies against their wills to save lives. Same with unwanted pregnancy. Except that foetuses are not people, so it's even less of an issue.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

So I want you to tell me, preferably with a quote of what i have said about women's rights.

Can you answer me these questions

1, I support the ending of an (established pregnancy) life in the womb because...

2, I dont support the killing of a 1 day old baby because...

3, I feel differently about question 1 and 2 because....

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple
over a year ago

Falkirk

"The OP is a troll.

Stop feeding the troll.

But he's comedy gold!

Tbh id call him quite a sad man with those thoughts on women

What thought on women?

Tell me what you think my thoughts on women are?

I dont have too...you made them obvious

Ha ha, I love it when people lie and get caught out

No go on, ive said nothing about women's rights.

The only right I've talked about is the right of an unborn child to live.

So I want you to tell me, preferably with a quote of what i have said about women's rights.

You are right about that however are you going to take on a culture or religion and change the views of millions.

A faceless hidden profile on FAB trying to put the world to rights on anti abortion won't work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Consider again my opinions on rights when you consider that more than half the babies being killed in the womb are female (more in some cultures who abort girls to try again for boys) Surely the right to life over rides all other rights."

No it doesn't, if in order for something to survive you had to put your body through severe chemical changes for a year or more and you had good reason not to want to keep the DNA soup alive in the first place. Does it's rights over rule your rights?

The argument is when does a sperm and egg become a child and not a DNA soup. Technically in this age of cloning the same a a drop of blood containing more than one stem cell.

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple
over a year ago

Falkirk

"It's not "YOUR" choice though.

And the law supports the woman's choice to terminate.

Sorry I don't follow your point can you expand, and what do you mean by ' it's not "your" choice'.

I'm not bring funny I just don't understand so I can't reply

Again it's not your decision to make.

Just because you have thought long and hard about what decision you have decided to make does not mean I and many others have to agree with it.

Scream shout and protest all you like but the decision comes down to the individual woman.

What do you find hard to grasp?

I'm not unsure on what the current situation is, I'm putting forward an alternative view.

So as a woman am I intitled to and alternate view on your original post?

You certainly are.

What's your opinion?

My opinion is the female should have the choice.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"It's not "YOUR" choice though.

And the law supports the woman's choice to terminate.

Sorry I don't follow your point can you expand, and what do you mean by ' it's not "your" choice'.

I'm not bring funny I just don't understand so I can't reply

Again it's not your decision to make.

Just because you have thought long and hard about what decision you have decided to make does not mean I and many others have to agree with it.

Scream shout and protest all you like but the decision comes down to the individual woman.

What do you find hard to grasp?

I'm not unsure on what the current situation is, I'm putting forward an alternative view.

granted you are but it appears to be based on sheer ignorance of the fact that it is the woman's right to choose based on many aspects that you and i as males know little..

granted one can have empathy with people in desperate and difficult circumstance's whilst being biologically incapable of being in that situation..

that however would be based on whether one is capable of empathy..

what has led you to your reasoning behind your opinions if i may ask?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"The OP is a troll.

Stop feeding the troll.

But he's comedy gold!

Tbh id call him quite a sad man with those thoughts on women

What thought on women?

Tell me what you think my thoughts on women are?

I dont have too...you made them obvious

Ha ha, I love it when people lie and get caught out

No go on, ive said nothing about women's rights.

The only right I've talked about is the right of an unborn child to live.

So I want you to tell me, preferably with a quote of what i have said about women's rights.

You are right about that however are you going to take on a culture or religion and change the views of millions.

A faceless hidden profile on FAB trying to put the world to rights on anti abortion won't work. "

Just wanted to put it out there.

Thought it might create a healthy debate like I had in my head over the last few month.

All I've been told is I don't have a right to talk about this as I'm not a woman, and that somehow I'm some right wing conservative who thinks women should be seen and not heard. All this as I dared to voice my opinion that id rather unborn babies were not killed.

Makes me a real bad monster

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By *issing in actionWoman
over a year ago

Llanelli

Can you answer me these questions

1, I support the ending of an (established pregnancy) life in the womb because...

2, I dont support the killing of a 1 day old baby because...

3, I feel differently about question 1 and 2 because...."

1 ) Did I say I supported it? No, I said the legal option needs to be in place so it can be done safely

2) Totally different matter, a foetus is a foetus not a 1 day old baby, but you wouldn't know this as you have a very limited knowledge of biology, as demonstrated earlier

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

I do not need to consider your opinions again, and here is why:

An embryo or fetus in the womb IS NOT A BABY!

Babies are BORN human beings embryos no matter how advanced are not. That is a fact.

Fact wins against opinion every time!

So stick your opinion where the sun don't shine because it is worth about the same as the crap you pass every time you have a shit.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It's not "YOUR" choice though.

And the law supports the woman's choice to terminate.

Sorry I don't follow your point can you expand, and what do you mean by ' it's not "your" choice'.

I'm not bring funny I just don't understand so I can't reply

Again it's not your decision to make.

Just because you have thought long and hard about what decision you have decided to make does not mean I and many others have to agree with it.

Scream shout and protest all you like but the decision comes down to the individual woman.

What do you find hard to grasp?

I'm not unsure on what the current situation is, I'm putting forward an alternative view.

granted you are but it appears to be based on sheer ignorance of the fact that it is the woman's right to choose based on many aspects that you and i as males know little..

granted one can have empathy with people in desperate and difficult circumstance's whilst being biologically incapable of being in that situation..

that however would be based on whether one is capable of empathy..

what has led you to your reasoning behind your opinions if i may ask?"

Sure, I just think a society should be judged on how it treats the weakest in that society. Be it helping disabled people, helping people to poor to eat having to use food banks or be it unborn babies who have not asked to be conceived in that womb but since they are there I think they deserve a chance of life.

It's not a black and white debate and there are holes in my opinion hence why I wanted to test my opinion under fire.

I honestly don't think just because I'm a man I shouldn't be able to talk about it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

If you use the term "human being" instead of

embryo,

featus,

baby,

child,

teenager,

adult,

pensioner it makes it harder to draw the line as to when it is accept me to decide when to end the life by choice.

I agree a embryo is not a baby, but that means nothing, these are terms we have applied from our language.

A human life in the womb should be worth as much as one outside the womb in my opinion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

OP as a man, exactly when do you consider an embryo is a child?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"It's not "YOUR" choice though.

And the law supports the woman's choice to terminate.

Sorry I don't follow your point can you expand, and what do you mean by ' it's not "your" choice'.

I'm not bring funny I just don't understand so I can't reply

Again it's not your decision to make.

Just because you have thought long and hard about what decision you have decided to make does not mean I and many others have to agree with it.

Scream shout and protest all you like but the decision comes down to the individual woman.

What do you find hard to grasp?

I'm not unsure on what the current situation is, I'm putting forward an alternative view.

granted you are but it appears to be based on sheer ignorance of the fact that it is the woman's right to choose based on many aspects that you and i as males know little..

granted one can have empathy with people in desperate and difficult circumstance's whilst being biologically incapable of being in that situation..

that however would be based on whether one is capable of empathy..

what has led you to your reasoning behind your opinions if i may ask?

It's not a black and white debate and there are holes in my opinion hence why I wanted to test my opinion under fire.

I honestly don't think just because I'm a man I shouldn't be able to talk about it.

you can talk as much as you like but its still a woman's right in law to make that decision, using the language you have is crass and i believe deliberately so..

as you seem to be ducking the question about where your opinions are coming from that will only serve for people to take into consideration your language, lack of knowledge of the issue and to conclude you have not looked into the issue objectively..

similar to the religious radicals who target women in the street..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"OP as a man, exactly when do you consider an embryo is a child?"

I view it as a "human being" right from conception

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"If you use the term "human being" instead of

embryo,

featus,

baby,

child,

teenager,

adult,

pensioner it makes it harder to draw the line as to when it is accept me to decide when to end the life by choice.

I agree a embryo is not a baby, but that means nothing, these are terms we have applied from our language.

A human life in the womb should be worth as much as one outside the womb in my opinion"

honestly fella reading that i am minded of the sketch in the meaning of life..

'every sperm is sacred'..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP as a man, exactly when do you consider an embryo is a child?

I view it as a "human being" right from conception"

At a point in time when there is no limbs, internal organs, brain, blood, bone, nervous system, or anything recognisable as human then? In fact no more viable than a stem cell.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"OP as a man, exactly when do you consider an embryo is a child?

I view it as a "human being" right from conception

At a point in time when there is no limbs, internal organs, brain, blood, bone, nervous system, or anything recognisable as human then? In fact no more viable than a stem cell."

Correct

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By *issing in actionWoman
over a year ago

Llanelli

I view it as a "human being" right from conception"

Do you not cum in anyone's mouth then OP? As that's cannibalism, surely?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP as a man, exactly when do you consider an embryo is a child?

I view it as a "human being" right from conception

At a point in time when there is no limbs, internal organs, brain, blood, bone, nervous system, or anything recognisable as human then? In fact no more viable than a stem cell.

Correct"

So why not 10 minutes earlier?

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"OP as a man, exactly when do you consider an embryo is a child?

I view it as a "human being" right from conception

At a point in time when there is no limbs, internal organs, brain, blood, bone, nervous system, or anything recognisable as human then? In fact no more viable than a stem cell.

Correct"

So how do you justify viewing it as human being?