FabSwingers.com forum: WTO

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

The UK & EU have agreed to share their WTO agriculture quotas based on current levels. A positive move! The world trade isn't affected nobody gains - or do they? BUT it has been rejected by several WTO members because they feel the UK is getting a better deal than it deserves. When you see the objecting countries you may be suprised : USA, (special relationship -219% import charge on NI parts), Canada, New Zealand (commonwealth friend's ), Brazil, Thialand and the old enemy Argentina - no suprised there. So is WTO just going to give us bog standard trade or does the fact that we are the 6th largest economy count for nothing? Surely with a little help from our "friends" we will get the best possible trade deal?

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

The people who complained about how hard negotiations were with 27 countries, have decided it's easier to get a unanimous vote from nearly 200 countries

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"The UK & EU have agreed to share their WTO agriculture quotas based on current levels. A positive move! The world trade isn't affected nobody gains - or do they? BUT it has been rejected by several WTO members because they feel the UK is getting a better deal than it deserves. When you see the objecting countries you may be suprised : USA, (special relationship -219% import charge on NI parts), Canada, New Zealand (commonwealth friend's ), Brazil, Thialand and the old enemy Argentina - no suprised there. So is WTO just going to give us bog standard trade or does the fact that we are the 6th largest economy count for nothing? Surely with a little help from our "friends" we will get the best possible trade deal? "

Ha ha x we were the 6th whilst we paid a small fee to the Eu to handle their finances and sciences

However prepare to be a very small fish in a dog eat fish world

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin

The reality of Brexit is starting to bite hard. Britain is alone in the world now and all the countries Boris et al. thought would hand them great deals on a silver platter are lining up to take, take, take.

The EU will be bruised by this but the UK will be left a bloody, battered mess by the end of this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The reality of Brexit is starting to bite hard. Britain is alone in the world now and all the countries Boris et al. thought would hand them great deals on a silver platter are lining up to take, take, take.

The EU will be bruised by this but the UK will be left a bloody, battered mess by the end of this."

sounds like you are running scared, lack of guts & bottle,

bet you don't even risk crossing a road

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The EU will be bruised by this but the UK will be left a bloody, battered mess by the end of this.

sounds like you are running scared, lack of guts & bottle,

bet you don't even risk crossing a road

Well poor rhetoric typed on a screen is one thing but come on.

Paraphrasing Peter Hitchens "Getting people to trade with us is easy. Everyone wants to sell. It's getting people to buy our currently hypothetical and dwindling products at any profit which is the challenge."

There you have it, the big issue on trade in regards to Brexit, from a ring wing, eurosceptic, political writer.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

So I suppose the question is why would a country be more keen to trade with the UK than the EU?

If the answer is that there is no particular reason then why should we get better trading terms with them now than with the EU?

Running to stand still. At best.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The EU will be bruised by this but the UK will be left a bloody, battered mess by the end of this.

sounds like you are running scared, lack of guts & bottle,

bet you don't even risk crossing a road

Play stupid games! Win stupid prizes!

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin

The EU will be bruised by this but the UK will be left a bloody, battered mess by the end of this.

sounds like you are running scared, lack of guts & bottle,

bet you don't even risk crossing a road

I take calculated risks. I look at the cost/benefit and I look at the chances of success and I balance the 2. Its called being a grown up. Mammy and daddy arent there to hold your hand, tell you right from wrong or pick you up when you fall and kiss it better.

Brexit had no chance of success, just degrees of failure and the May government is lurching slowly towards a worse and worse result.

See the difference between the brexit cheerleaders like you and someone like me is that I can assess risk, I can learn from information and use it to my advantage. I know how to lool at a situation and judge it on its merits. Thats why I can point to hard facts and draw logical conclusions and you have nothing but empty rhetoric and meaningless bluster like posting in all caps that everything will be fine without ever knowing or stating why that will be the case.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

The EU will be bruised by this but the UK will be left a bloody, battered mess by the end of this."
Bollocks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the leavers will be oozing blood from hole where their noses used to be ... but at least their zealous dogma will foolishly convince them that they have shown their faces who's boss

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

So apparently if we fail to reach an agreement with the EU over brexit it is going to cost the EU 2% of their GDP and that may cause a halt to the EU's economic recovery that will last less than a year. Bad for the EU...

However it will also cause the UK economy to loose about 18% of GDP and cause a 10 year recession. anyone know the result of the last 10 year recession? I think it was called the great depression and caused WW2. And already we have our chancellor calling the EU the enemy because they refuse to appease the Maybots government.

Butter is now up 40% in less than 6 months, but inflation is under 3%. Lies, damn lies and statistics. I wonder at what point the tories will admit that they fucked the country to stay in power?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So apparently if we fail to reach an agreement with the EU over brexit it is going to cost the EU 2% of their GDP and that may cause a halt to the EU's economic recovery that will last less than a year. Bad for the EU...

Butter is now up 40% in less than 6 months, but inflation is under 3%. Lies, damn lies and statistics. I wonder at what point the tories will admit that they fucked the country to stay in power?"

They wont admit shit..same as the brexiters on here wont...you just saw one answer to a post from a brexiter...i quote it "bollocks"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sardines have dropped in price.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

dogmatically idiotic brexiteers are now ten a penny too

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

Butter is now up 40% in less than 6 months, but inflation is under 3%."

Are you saying butter price inflation is because of Brexit?

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By *oubepoMan
over a year ago

Spain Portugal France

Butter is now up 40% in less than 6 months, but inflation is under 3%. Lies, damn lies and statistics. I wonder at what point the tories will admit that they fucked the country to stay in power?"

The price of butter has risen world wide in 2017 especially in Mainland Europe

Mainly because of EU policy to cut dairy production - bad weather in the Southern Hemisphere and increased demand

The price of butter has nothing to do with Brexit

With the EU losing the UK - a 12 - 14% contributor and the prospect of Montenegro, Macedonia, Serbia, Albania and Bosnia all waiting in the wings to replace the UK - I very much doubt we (the EU) will recover from Brexit within 12 months - Add to that the uncertainty of Catalunya and things are not looking quite as rosy for the EU as you suggest

You (the UK) on the other hand, once free of EU policy can raise dairy production and sell us and the rest of the world butter at huge margins of profit - With your new found freedom and wealth - you might want to throw in some free jam and scones

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"The price of butter has risen world wide in 2017 especially in Mainland Europe"

But not by 40% in 6 months...

Now what is different about the UK and the rest of the EU?

Could it be the devaluation of the £ on international exchange markets? Something that according to some here is a good thing.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

Butter in Germany has increased by 102% in the last year.

Clial.ie

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

92% in France

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

Dairy prices have risen globally.

Terrible example.

How about everything else?

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By *oubepoMan
over a year ago

Spain Portugal France

"The price of butter has risen world wide in 2017 especially in Mainland Europe

But not by 40% in 6 months...

Now what is different about the UK and the rest of the EU?

Could it be the devaluation of the £ on international exchange markets? Something that according to some here is a good thing."

Not 40% - Very true - it's actually about 50% in Spain and 60% in Portugal - You lucky lucky Brits!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would suggest most people these days use olive based spreads.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

Farming is going to be very different after Brexit - most interesting will be the loss of subsidy.

I can see beef and pork going up in price too. Dairying will be on it's arse for years.

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By *oubepoMan
over a year ago

Spain Portugal France

Yes I bet you will miss the subsidies

After all there's nothing like paying subsidy to dairy farmers for not producing milk

And then paying 50% extra for your butter because there's a shortage of milk

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"Farming is going to be very different after Brexit - most interesting will be the loss of subsidy.

I can see beef and pork going up in price too. Dairying will be on it's arse for years. "

Maybe you'd like to have a look at New Zealand farming? Subsidy free, competitive and thriving.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"Farming is going to be very different after Brexit - most interesting will be the loss of subsidy.

I can see beef and pork going up in price too. Dairying will be on it's arse for years.

Maybe you'd like to have a look at New Zealand farming? Subsidy free, competitive and thriving."

I'm aware of New Zealand. What they have, that we don't is masses of space. To be competitive, dairy herds will have to be huge. Loads of dairy farmers here use NZ style techniques.

I've managed to farm myself with no subsidy whatsoever. I'm actually hoping that in the next 5 years after Brexit, they become affordable ( the price is kept artificially high by subsidy).

You can also expect environmental schemes to vanish.

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By *issing in actionWoman
over a year ago

Llanelli

"Farming is going to be very different after Brexit - most interesting will be the loss of subsidy.

I can see beef and pork going up in price too. Dairying will be on it's arse for years.

Maybe you'd like to have a look at New Zealand farming? Subsidy free, competitive and thriving."

That's an issue in itself. The EU wouldn't trade with NZ to protect the interests of the EU member state farmers so they had to find other buyers. Post brexit we'll have to find other buyers and put our lamb directly in competition with NZ lamb - yay!

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By *ande11Man
over a year ago

minehead

Add in farm tenancy clearances especially by NT,,Crown Estates..proliferation of Shooting Estates..etc = downward spiral for livestock farming certainly here in the SW...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

In this day and age nothing is ever simple. What a complex world we live in. Also I have just read an article that WTO doesn't cover services - 80% of our current trade?

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"I would suggest most people these days use olive based spreads.

Nothing like a little 'healthy option' hydrogenated oil to clog up ones arteries.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"I would suggest most people these days use olive based spreads.

Nothing like a little 'healthy option' hydrogenated oil to clog up ones arteries.

Fuck that. Butter all the way!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

40% of the EU budget is spent on the common agriculture policy.

When you look at were the money is spent it is not on producing food.

It subsides farmers and land owners in the UK and Europe who over produce food that is then dumped on places like Africa so there farmers can't compete.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"In this day and age nothing is ever simple. What a complex world we live in. Also I have just read an article that WTO doesn't cover services - 80% of our current trade?"

But Brexiters don't believe in services, so that statistic doesn't matter to them. They believe that manufacturing is the most important area of our economy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Farming is going to be very different after Brexit - most interesting will be the loss of subsidy.

I can see beef and pork going up in price too. Dairying will be on it's arse for years. "
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Who pays the subsidy to keep it cheap then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"40% of the EU budget is spent on the common agriculture policy.

When you look at were the money is spent it is not on producing food.

It subsides farmers and land owners in the UK and Europe who over produce food that is then dumped on places like Africa so there farmers can't compete.

That's not really a thing anymore.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"Farming is going to be very different after Brexit - most interesting will be the loss of subsidy.

I can see beef and pork going up in price too. Dairying will be on it's arse for years. .

Who pays the subsidy to keep it cheap then?"

My comment wasn't all about subsidy - I said Pork and Beef would probably go up because we don't produce as much of either as we consume. Dairying is on a knife edge for many farmers anyway, high production, low margin and the subsidy buoys them. Dairies will need to expand massively post-subsidy, and make use of every blade of grass (see NZ systems) in order to turn a profit.

Although, I suspect you know most of this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"40% of the EU budget is spent on the common agriculture policy.

When you look at were the money is spent it is not on producing food.

It subsides farmers and land owners in the UK and Europe who over produce food that is then dumped on places like Africa so there farmers can't compete.

That's not really a thing anymore."
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Hahaha... Bollocks, you think that coz your a townie idiot who knows diddly shit about farming.... In your alter ego you know what you said to me about farming subsidies

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"40% of the EU budget is spent on the common agriculture policy.

When you look at were the money is spent it is not on producing food.

It subsides farmers and land owners in the UK and Europe who over produce food that is then dumped on places like Africa so there farmers can't compete.

That's not really a thing anymore..

Hahaha... Bollocks, you think that coz your a townie idiot who knows diddly shit about farming.... In your alter ego you know what you said to me about farming subsidies

As you are using the word townie in the derogatory sense, that would imply you think of yourself as superior as "country". If you think a townie doesn't know about what goes on in the countryside, are you suggesting that someone who comes from the countryside doesn't know what goes on in the towns?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"40% of the EU budget is spent on the common agriculture policy.

When you look at were the money is spent it is not on producing food.

It subsides farmers and land owners in the UK and Europe who over produce food that is then dumped on places like Africa so there farmers can't compete.

That's not really a thing anymore..

Hahaha... Bollocks, you think that coz your a townie idiot who knows diddly shit about farming.... In your alter ego you know what you said to me about farming subsidies

he wouldn't know ... he's a gas fitter living in bristol

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

A warning has emerged today that the WTO could collapse as their adjudication panel are two members short and the USA keep blocking candidates being put forward. Without a working panel it could all collapse! So welcome to a free for all....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"40% of the EU budget is spent on the common agriculture policy.

When you look at were the money is spent it is not on producing food.

It subsides farmers and land owners in the UK and Europe who over produce food that is then dumped on places like Africa so there farmers can't compete.

That's not really a thing anymore..

Hahaha... Bollocks, you think that coz your a townie idiot who knows diddly shit about farming.... In your alter ego you know what you said to me about farming subsidies

he wouldn't know ... he's a gas fitter living in bristol"
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And how do you know all this?.

Do tell what your profile was called when you found this info out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Come come now, don't be shy, let us know your previous profile that you know us all from?.

The politics forum is a small select group, I'm sure we'd all remember you!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The speed at which you leap to the always wrong conclusion that people must be alts of other people is telling.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"The speed at which you leap to the always wrong conclusion that people must be alts of other people is telling."

It's a coping strategy to protect himself from the realisation that he is wrong so much of the time. He can't face multiple people telling him that, so he makes believe that its just one person.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It was just a very nice question that he's refused to answer for one reason....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have no idea who he is? He could be an old friend from my previous profile, he could be an old adversary, who knows but hes obviously knows me but is refusing to say from where for his own reasons

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Typical socialist, they like to attack while wearing masks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The speed at which you leap to the always wrong conclusion that people must be alts of other people is telling."
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The way you defend the question is also very telling!!

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"I have no idea who he is? He could be an old friend from my previous profile, he could be an old adversary, who knows but hes obviously knows me but is refusing to say from where for his own reasons

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Typical socialist, they like to attack while wearing masks

Or it could be a completely different person to whoever you think it is?

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