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"Is brexit affecting you, I mean on day to day basis?how affecting your community? Do you really care? " I cant say I've noticed visible signs.... Sick of listening to the moronic blathering of Labour though  | |||
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"Is brexit affecting you, I mean on day to day basis?how affecting your community? Do you really care? " My pay had stopped falling. | |||
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"No just wish they would hurry up and leave "Which will achieve what exactly I have not met or spoken to one person without money who will benefit from exit or who's life is affected negativity by European membership I doubt you could articulate how membership impacts your life negatively | |||
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"Yes, I work in a science sector and we are seeing less success with joining EU funded projects - the danger is as EU funding falls away there will be a gap before any increase in UK science funding kicks in to compensate." This is similar to my job, I'm currently waiting to find out if our government will fund our project. Nothing mentioned so far beyond the next 2 years. In addition to this, interest on my student debt and any personal debt is going up, up and up, has been since last summer. Pound does bad, my debt works against me. | |||
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"No just wish they would hurry up and leave
Which will achieve what exactly
I have not met or spoken to one person without money who will benefit from exit or who's life is affected negativity by European membership
I doubt you could articulate how membership impacts your life negatively "The people with money are almost totally remain.....the EU has benefited big business, fat cats, politicians etc..... they want to keep the gravy train. It has driven down wages and productivity by free movement of cheap labour. That means companies have not needed to invest in equipment, training etc...just get in more cheap workers. | |||
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"of course brexit is effecting me just as it is effecting everyone. However until we are out of the EU and have no one but ourselves to blame for how fucked up this country is there will be no change." But how is it affecting you? It's not affecting me so far at all. | |||
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"of course brexit is effecting me just as it is effecting everyone. However until we are out of the EU and have no one but ourselves to blame for how fucked up this country is there will be no change. But how is it affecting you? It's not affecting me so far at all. " How does being a member affect you at the moment ? | |||
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"of course brexit is effecting me just as it is effecting everyone. However until we are out of the EU and have no one but ourselves to blame for how fucked up this country is there will be no change. But how is it affecting you? It's not affecting me so far at all. How does being a member affect you at the moment ?" It's no change at the moment | |||
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"Is brexit affecting you, I mean on day to day basis?how affecting your community? Do you really care? " it hasn't happened, yet. only thing that effects me is the lower £ to the $ | |||
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"of course brexit is effecting me just as it is effecting everyone. However until we are out of the EU and have no one but ourselves to blame for how fucked up this country is there will be no change. But how is it affecting you? It's not affecting me so far at all. How does being a member affect you at the moment ? It's no change at the moment " How does being a member affect you at the moment ? | |||
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"of course brexit is effecting me just as it is effecting everyone. However until we are out of the EU and have no one but ourselves to blame for how fucked up this country is there will be no change. But how is it affecting you? It's not affecting me so far at all. How does being a member affect you at the moment ? It's no change at the moment How does being a member affect you at the moment ?" It's a pointless question, we've been a member for 40 years so it's currently "the norm" | |||
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"of course brexit is effecting me just as it is effecting everyone. However until we are out of the EU and have no one but ourselves to blame for how fucked up this country is there will be no change. But how is it affecting you? It's not affecting me so far at all. How does being a member affect you at the moment ? It's no change at the moment How does being a member affect you at the moment ?" high influx of immigrants | |||
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"of course brexit is effecting me just as it is effecting everyone. However until we are out of the EU and have no one but ourselves to blame for how fucked up this country is there will be no change. But how is it affecting you? It's not affecting me so far at all. How does being a member affect you at the moment ? It's no change at the moment How does being a member affect you at the moment ? high influx of immigrants" And how does that affect you at the moment ? | |||
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"of course brexit is effecting me just as it is effecting everyone. However until we are out of the EU and have no one but ourselves to blame for how fucked up this country is there will be no change. But how is it affecting you? It's not affecting me so far at all. How does being a member affect you at the moment ? It's no change at the moment How does being a member affect you at the moment ? It's a pointless question, we've been a member for 40 years so it's currently "the norm"" Indeed it is and apparently this normal is affecting some to such a degree they need to leave , I'm just curious what specific Eu legislation makes a person's life so difficult as I live in the same country and I cannot think of anything ? | |||
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"No just wish they would hurry up and leave
Which will achieve what exactly
I have not met or spoken to one person without money who will benefit from exit or who's life is affected negativity by European membership
I doubt you could articulate how membership impacts your life negatively
The people with money are almost totally remain.....the EU has benefited big business, fat cats, politicians etc..... they want to keep the gravy train.
It has driven down wages and productivity by free movement of cheap labour. That means companies have not needed to invest in equipment, training etc...just get in more cheap workers."I agree with a lot of what you said, but is the catch 22 really worth it? Don't get me wrong, wage suppression and a lack of businesses taking on technical training as an investment is a problem, I've always said that, but sovereign governments can and have legislated to improve that. The Netherlands and Denmark for example ensure that quotas are filled by companies worth over a certain amount, and funnily enough they have a broad base of what we'd refer to as tier 1-6 technical training opportunities. Less migration, wages go up in job roles which a low to mid skills (many of these are dying out and going to global outsourcing anyways), but then the pound loses value or cannot be kept artificially high anymore. This is problematic as household and individual interest on debt and borrowing increases - causing the beginning of economic contraction, less jobs created, less products sold internally. Also prices on most imported products have and will go up - buy British I hear someone shout? Problem, we are an inherently consumerist nation. We like having colourful fruit and veg all year round, fancy meats, weird materials - we cannot produce these ourselves. And this is coming from the person who tries to buy as much British produced food and clothing as possible to cut down on my carbon footprint, but there are just somethings we cannot produce here, and they are offten imported in large numbers. | |||
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" Indeed it is and apparently this normal is affecting some to such a degree they need to leave , I'm just curious what specific Eu legislation makes a person's life so difficult as I live in the same country and I cannot think of anything ?" Ever-increasing population driving up house prices, immigrants undercutting wages, increasing dependence on imports. People I know who have children often say schools are overcrowded. In some areas, one hears more foreign voices than English. I think one of the understated benefits of leaving will be that we will have to try to sort our own problems out instead of blaming the EU. Having said that, I think we will still be badly-governed by exploitative politicians. I have always been in favour of Britain being outside the EU and its antecedents. I was also aware that we could end up with something worse than remaining, so we are taking a chance - it is a voyage into the unknown. The basic problem is that Brexiters have such a range of differing political views that it is inevitable that most of us will be disappointed. | |||
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" Indeed it is and apparently this normal is affecting some to such a degree they need to leave , I'm just curious what specific Eu legislation makes a person's life so difficult as I live in the same country and I cannot think of anything ? Ever-increasing population driving up house prices, immigrants undercutting wages, increasing dependence on imports. People I know who have children often say schools are overcrowded. In some areas, one hears more foreign voices than English. I think one of the understated benefits of leaving will be that we will have to try to sort our own problems out instead of blaming the EU. Having said that, I think we will still be badly-governed by exploitative politicians. I have always been in favour of Britain being outside the EU and its antecedents. I was also aware that we could end up with something worse than remaining, so we are taking a chance - it is a voyage into the unknown. The basic problem is that Brexiters have such a range of differing political views that it is inevitable that most of us will be disappointed." You may well be right but in the long run (10 years+) we may well find we made the right decision. No one knows what it will be like once we have left the EU but I for one would not be happy with a United States of Europe and the Euro. | |||
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" No one knows what it will be like once we have left the EU but I for one would not be happy with a United States of Europe and the Euro." Do you remember shillings etc? Old money? | |||
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"While people discuss brexit people are not looking at what is happening in Europe and realising it isn't just the UK that will leave it is most of the countries in Europe that will leave when the next banking crisis happens. " If you're looking into your crystal ball, do something useful and tell us next weeks lotto numbers. | |||
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" Indeed it is and apparently this normal is affecting some to such a degree they need to leave , I'm just curious what specific Eu legislation makes a person's life so difficult as I live in the same country and I cannot think of anything ? Ever-increasing population driving up house prices, immigrants undercutting wages, increasing dependence on imports. People I know who have children often say schools are overcrowded. In some areas, one hears more foreign voices than English. I think one of the understated benefits of leaving will be that we will have to try to sort our own problems out instead of blaming the EU. Having said that, I think we will still be badly-governed by exploitative politicians. I have always been in favour of Britain being outside the EU and its antecedents. I was also aware that we could end up with something worse than remaining, so we are taking a chance - it is a voyage into the unknown. The basic problem is that Brexiters have such a range of differing political views that it is inevitable that most of us will be disappointed."  | |||
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I'm also predicting a large amount of consultative work over the next 2 to 5 years as companies have to rewrite thier business systems to take account of VAT, duty and tariff changes that will be required to be put in place once we leave. So far it's all good for me.
However, taking action that is only going to reduce the amount of trade we eventually do with are biggest, closest and richest trading partners, is ultimately going to lead to less work for everyone so, while currently I'm going to make the best of it as best I can and try and take advantage of opportunities available in work that needs to done to implement any change, eventually the consequences of a bad idea will win through, there will be less work and it won't be worth it in the end. | |||
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" Indeed it is and apparently this normal is affecting some to such a degree they need to leave , I'm just curious what specific Eu legislation makes a person's life so difficult as I live in the same country and I cannot think of anything ? Ever-increasing population driving up house prices, immigrants undercutting wages, increasing dependence on imports. People I know who have children often say schools are overcrowded. In some areas, one hears more foreign voices than English. I think one of the understated benefits of leaving will be that we will have to try to sort our own problems out instead of blaming the EU. Having said that, I think we will still be badly-governed by exploitative politicians. I have always been in favour of Britain being outside the EU and its antecedents. I was also aware that we could end up with something worse than remaining, so we are taking a chance - it is a voyage into the unknown. The basic problem is that Brexiters have such a range of differing political views that it is inevitable that most of us will be disappointed. You may well be right but in the long run (10 years+) we may well find we made the right decision. No one knows what it will be like once we have left the EU but I for one would not be happy with a United States of Europe and the Euro." We don't know for sure what it will be like once we've left the EU but only in the same way that we don't know for sure that the sun will rise tomorrow morning or that Christmas will happen next December 25th. Cutting our trading links with our biggest, richest and closest neighbours in a forlorn hope of replacing that trade with partners poorer, smaller and further away is he only going to have one possible outcome, and it's not £350 million extra a week for the NHS. | |||
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"Oh the worst has still to come. People will start to feel the effects when the single market and customs union end. " I wonder how the rest of the world manages. The vast majority of countries in the world are not in the EU and they still trade with the EU. Where do Remainers think they get their imports from? Does anyone think that the US, Japan, for example, has to open their borders to all 465m EU citizens? Or subjugate themselves to ECJ rulings? Far too much ignorance around on this subject by people who should know better | |||
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"Oh the worst has still to come. People will start to feel the effects when the single market and customs union end. I wonder how the rest of the world manages. The vast majority of countries in the world are not in the EU and they still trade with the EU. Where do Remainers think they get their imports from? Does anyone think that the US, Japan, for example, has to open their borders to all 465m EU citizens? Or subjugate themselves to ECJ rulings? Far too much ignorance around on this subject by people who should know better" As you're amply demonstrating. | |||
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"Oh the worst has still to come. People will start to feel the effects when the single market and customs union end. I wonder how the rest of the world manages. The vast majority of countries in the world are not in the EU and they still trade with the EU. Where do Remainers think they get their imports from? Does anyone think that the US, Japan, for example, has to open their borders to all 465m EU citizens? Or subjugate themselves to ECJ rulings? Far too much ignorance around on this subject by people who should know better" actually we have allowed more Non EU immigrants into the country than EU immigrants - why? We can control those allegedly? British governments Labour and Tory have not implemented EU rules from 2004. Freedom of movement for EU nationals is only for visits less than 3 months. Over 3 months you have to work and pay tax, or if not working you have to have sufficient capital not to be a burden on the host state, have comprehensive medical insurance and not be a security risk. If you don't have all 3 - out you go - back home. | |||
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"Oh the worst has still to come. People will start to feel the effects when the single market and customs union end. I wonder how the rest of the world manages. The vast majority of countries in the world are not in the EU and they still trade with the EU. Where do Remainers think they get their imports from? Does anyone think that the US, Japan, for example, has to open their borders to all 465m EU citizens? Or subjugate themselves to ECJ rulings? Far too much ignorance around on this subject by people who should know better" The US and Japan are amongst the biggest economic powers in the world. The US economy is about three times the size of Germany ($18,000 billion vs $30,000 billion) however, despite the fact they speak the same language as the UK, have a very similar legal system to the UK and have strong social, cultural and historic ties with the UK the US exports yearly about $35 billion to the UK whereas Germany (about 1/3 it's size) exports yearly about $38 billion. THAT's the difference being in a Single Market makes, about 3 times the levels of trade compared to not being in one. | |||
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"Oh the worst has still to come. People will start to feel the effects when the single market and customs union end. I wonder how the rest of the world manages. The vast majority of countries in the world are not in the EU and they still trade with the EU. Where do Remainers think they get their imports from? Does anyone think that the US, Japan, for example, has to open their borders to all 465m EU citizens? Or subjugate themselves to ECJ rulings? Far too much ignorance around on this subject by people who should know betteractually we have allowed more Non EU immigrants into the country than EU immigrants - why? We can control those allegedly? British governments Labour and Tory have not implemented EU rules from 2004. Freedom of movement for EU nationals is only for visits less than 3 months. Over 3 months you have to work and pay tax, or if not working you have to have sufficient capital not to be a burden on the host state, have comprehensive medical insurance and not be a security risk. If you don't have all 3 - out you go - back home." He knows this already because it's bean pointed out by both me and others many times before on here. However he is a strong BREXITer and, like most BREXITers, he will say anything, even if he knows it to be completely untrue, to try and convince people that things will be better when we leave. | |||
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"Is brexit affecting you, I mean on day to day basis?how affecting your community? Do you really care? " Yes, and yes. We are getting more work. Presently working for several companies who are all investing millions in improving their productivity. So yes, day to day we've got more work. The companies we're working for are investing in their futures- good for their local communities. And in improving their productivity, they are helping the UK's productivity. Which I care about. | |||
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"Is brexit affecting you, I mean on day to day basis?how affecting your community? Do you really care? Yes, and yes. We are getting more work. Presently working for several companies who are all investing millions in improving their productivity. So yes, day to day we've got more work. The companies we're working for are investing in their futures- good for their local communities. And in improving their productivity, they are helping the UK's productivity. Which I care about. " So you didn't make any money before? Nobody thought about doing that? What a rubbish economy and poor management and strategic thinking. Lucky everyone has suddenly become competent and responsible  | |||
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"Oh the worst has still to come. People will start to feel the effects when the single market and customs union end. I wonder how the rest of the world manages. The vast majority of countries in the world are not in the EU and they still trade with the EU. Where do Remainers think they get their imports from? Does anyone think that the US, Japan, for example, has to open their borders to all 465m EU citizens? Or subjugate themselves to ECJ rulings? Far too much ignorance around on this subject by people who should know betteractually we have allowed more Non EU immigrants into the country than EU immigrants - why? We can control those allegedly? British governments Labour and Tory have not implemented EU rules from 2004. Freedom of movement for EU nationals is only for visits less than 3 months. Over 3 months you have to work and pay tax, or if not working you have to have sufficient capital not to be a burden on the host state, have comprehensive medical insurance and not be a security risk. If you don't have all 3 - out you go - back home. He knows this already because it's bean pointed out by both me and others many times before on here. However he is a strong BREXITer and, like most BREXITers, he will say anything, even if he knows it to be completely untrue, to try and convince people that things will be better when we leave." And the remainers will say anything, even if they know it to be completely untrue, to try and convince people it will be worse when we leave. Project Fear was the the prime example of a disgraceful pack of lies and the main reason Osborne is no longer Chancellor. We had the same prophecy of doom over what would happen if we didn't join the Euro, that great economic success story of our times. | |||
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"Oh the worst has still to come. People will start to feel the effects when the single market and customs union end. I wonder how the rest of the world manages. The vast majority of countries in the world are not in the EU and they still trade with the EU. Where do Remainers think they get their imports from? Does anyone think that the US, Japan, for example, has to open their borders to all 465m EU citizens? Or subjugate themselves to ECJ rulings? Far too much ignorance around on this subject by people who should know better The US and Japan are amongst the biggest economic powers in the world. The US economy is about three times the size of Germany ($18,000 billion vs $30,000 billion) however, despite the fact they speak the same language as the UK, have a very similar legal system to the UK and have strong social, cultural and historic ties with the UK the US exports yearly about $35 billion to the UK whereas Germany (about 1/3 it's size) exports yearly about $38 billion. THAT's the difference being in a Single Market makes, about 3 times the levels of trade compared to not being in one." And that $38 billion that Germany exports to the U.K. is precisely why Brexit will be ok. At the moment it's all political posturing by the EU who have got the hump because their dream of an unelected European Superstate has taken a knock. But it will all come down to business and commerce and nothing will jeopardise Germany's $38 billion of exports to our little island, ever. | |||
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" But how is it affecting you? It's not affecting me so far at all. " Really? Not effecting you at all? So you are 100% food and energy self sufficient or you don't eat or buy anything that is traded in US$ on the world markets. Because I have noticed the 20 to 30% price hikes in many foodstuffs like butter. | |||
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"Just to get this clear; are there people on here actually writing that they have not noticed everything getting more expensive or smaller and not noticed all international travel being dearer? "Exactly mind you some of them may be blind or deaf | |||
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"As "2 in a million" ex-pats living in the EU this is how it's affected us: Fx rate has gone from 1.42€ to 1.11€ =£ which affects our personal pensions which are sterling. Always accepted that fx rates could vary but didn't expect a crash! Had to change driving licenses to French as post 2019 UK driving licenses will not be valid here for permanent residents. Will have to apply for a "carte de sejour" post 2019 - as we won't be an EU member state. We are French taxpayers so aren't as badly affected as others but ALL ex-pats will be worse off. Also post 2019 Brits owning property in France will see tax increases of up to 49% as a third country when selling French their property." Oh well you can always come home.We are about to embark on new adventures here.Interesting times ahead. | |||
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"As "2 in a million" ex-pats living in the EU this is how it's affected us: Fx rate has gone from 1.42€ to 1.11€ =£ which affects our personal pensions which are sterling. Always accepted that fx rates could vary but didn't expect a crash! Had to change driving licenses to French as post 2019 UK driving licenses will not be valid here for permanent residents. Will have to apply for a "carte de sejour" post 2019 - as we won't be an EU member state. We are French taxpayers so aren't as badly affected as others but ALL ex-pats will be worse off. Also post 2019 Brits owning property in France will see tax increases of up to 49% as a third country when selling French their property. Oh well you can always come home.We are about to embark on new adventures here.Interesting times ahead. "not so easy as you may think bearing in mind we have paid enough tax and NI contributions to qualify for state pensions (at the moment-could change) - but because we are permanent here when we visit the UK we have no NHS medical cover in the UK - and wouldn't have any medical cover for 6 months if we returned. Our cover is on our French EHIC and travel insurance. So I am always suprised when health tourists get all this free treatment? | |||
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"As "2 in a million" ex-pats living in the EU this is how it's affected us: Fx rate has gone from 1.42€ to 1.11€ =£ which affects our personal pensions which are sterling. Always accepted that fx rates could vary but didn't expect a crash! Had to change driving licenses to French as post 2019 UK driving licenses will not be valid here for permanent residents. Will have to apply for a "carte de sejour" post 2019 - as we won't be an EU member state. We are French taxpayers so aren't as badly affected as others but ALL ex-pats will be worse off. Also post 2019 Brits owning property in France will see tax increases of up to 49% as a third country when selling French their property. Oh well you can always come home.We are about to embark on new adventures here.Interesting times ahead. not so easy as you may think bearing in mind we have paid enough tax and NI contributions to qualify for state pensions (at the moment-could change) - but because we are permanent here when we visit the UK we have no NHS medical cover in the UK - and wouldn't have any medical cover for 6 months if we returned. Our cover is on our French EHIC and travel insurance. So I am always suprised when health tourists get all this free treatment? "Where there's a will there's a way.I know people who return for on going conditions.Its quite common.Maybe illegal .Everyone works the system .6 mths doesnt sound to long unless your already ill. | |||
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"Is brexit affecting you, I mean on day to day basis?how affecting your community? Do you really care? Yes, and yes. We are getting more work. Presently working for several companies who are all investing millions in improving their productivity. So yes, day to day we've got more work. The companies we're working for are investing in their futures- good for their local communities. And in improving their productivity, they are helping the UK's productivity. Which I care about. So you didn't make any money before? Nobody thought about doing that? What a rubbish economy and poor management and strategic thinking. Lucky everyone has suddenly become competent and responsible "Try reading what I put. Or not being purposefully obtuse. People made money before. We made money before. But companies have for too long relied on (cheap) labour, in plentiful supply, to make their products, which reduces productivity. Now they are looking at efficiencies, and automation, reducing Labour costs and increasing productivity. I have worked at a company recently, who used a lot of EU labour. They produced 24 hours a day, 6 days a week. It was easy for them to do this, as it was, on paper, a cheap option. Their staff have been leaving, to the extent that he has put in some automation, changed some working practices, and cut out the night shift completely. They are now producing the same amount in 16 hours a day for 5 days a week. Improved productivity, improved profits, even though some material costs have increased due to the pound. Lots of companies are looking to improve productivity, that doesn't mean they didn't make money before. | |||
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"Just to get this clear; are there people on here actually writing that they have not noticed everything getting more expensive or smaller and not noticed all international travel being dearer? "And making things smaller and selling for the same price has only been since June 2016? Prices have never gone up? Fuel? Paying less than I was 2 years ago. Bremainers said it would rise by 19 pence a litre practically overnight. It hasn't. | |||
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"LIFE WILL BE FAR BETTER WHEN WE FULLY LEAVE THE E.U." D you think so why’s that then | |||
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"Is brexit affecting you, I mean on day to day basis?how affecting your community? Do you really care? Yes, and yes. We are getting more work. Presently working for several companies who are all investing millions in improving their productivity. So yes, day to day we've got more work. The companies we're working for are investing in their futures- good for their local communities. And in improving their productivity, they are helping the UK's productivity. Which I care about. So you didn't make any money before? Nobody thought about doing that? What a rubbish economy and poor management and strategic thinking. Lucky everyone has suddenly become competent and responsible
Try reading what I put. Or not being purposefully obtuse.
People made money before. We made money before. But companies have for too long relied on (cheap) labour, in plentiful supply, to make their products, which reduces productivity. Now they are looking at efficiencies, and automation, reducing Labour costs and increasing productivity.
I have worked at a company recently, who used a lot of EU labour. They produced 24 hours a day, 6 days a week. It was easy for them to do this, as it was, on paper, a cheap option.
Their staff have been leaving, to the extent that he has put in some automation, changed some working practices, and cut out the night shift completely. They are now producing the same amount in 16 hours a day for 5 days a week. Improved productivity, improved profits, even though some material costs have increased due to the pound.
Lots of companies are looking to improve productivity, that doesn't mean they didn't make money before."So you could have made the point neutrally. You are doing better because companies are replacing the cheap labour from Europe...with automation. Not labour from the UK? I also don't know what industries that you work in, but what proportion of the equipment was purchased from the EU, tariff free? You haven't noticed prices rising steeply in a short period nor foreign travel becoming more expensive then? I wonder why I have? | |||
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Try reading what I put. Or not being purposefully obtuse.
People made money before. We made money before. But companies have for too long relied on (cheap) labour, in plentiful supply, to make their products, which reduces productivity. Now they are looking at efficiencies, and automation, reducing Labour costs and increasing productivity.
I have worked at a company recently, who used a lot of EU labour. They produced 24 hours a day, 6 days a week. It was easy for them to do this, as it was, on paper, a cheap option.
Their staff have been leaving, to the extent that he has put in some automation, changed some working practices, and cut out the night shift completely. They are now producing the same amount in 16 hours a day for 5 days a week. Improved productivity, improved profits, even though some material costs have increased due to the pound.
Lots of companies are looking to improve productivity, that doesn't mean they didn't make money before.
So you could have made the point neutrally.
You are doing better because companies are replacing the cheap labour from Europe...with automation. Not labour from the UK?
I also don't know what industries that you work in, but what proportion of the equipment was purchased from the EU, tariff free?
You haven't noticed prices rising steeply in a short period nor foreign travel becoming more expensive then? I wonder why I have?"And if I'd made the point neutrally you'd have asked for examples. Equipment from all over the world, including UK. You clearly don't understand what is meant by productivity. No, not particularly. I've just bought half a dozen flights.... At less than I paid for them last year. | |||
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Try reading what I put. Or not being purposefully obtuse.
People made money before. We made money before. But companies have for too long relied on (cheap) labour, in plentiful supply, to make their products, which reduces productivity. Now they are looking at efficiencies, and automation, reducing Labour costs and increasing productivity.
I have worked at a company recently, who used a lot of EU labour. They produced 24 hours a day, 6 days a week. It was easy for them to do this, as it was, on paper, a cheap option.
Their staff have been leaving, to the extent that he has put in some automation, changed some working practices, and cut out the night shift completely. They are now producing the same amount in 16 hours a day for 5 days a week. Improved productivity, improved profits, even though some material costs have increased due to the pound.
Lots of companies are looking to improve productivity, that doesn't mean they didn't make money before.
So you could have made the point neutrally.
You are doing better because companies are replacing the cheap labour from Europe...with automation. Not labour from the UK?
I also don't know what industries that you work in, but what proportion of the equipment was purchased from the EU, tariff free?
You haven't noticed prices rising steeply in a short period nor foreign travel becoming more expensive then? I wonder why I have?
And if I'd made the point neutrally you'd have asked for examples.
Equipment from all over the world, including UK.
You clearly don't understand what is meant by productivity.
No, not particularly.
I've just bought half a dozen flights.... At less than I paid for them last year."Making a point neutral does not mean it should be free of information does it? Thank you for your attempt to patronize me though. I was actually enquiring about who benefits from increased productivity, other than you of course? The thing about productivity is that it leaves people behind just as surely as cheap labour. I did ask what proportion of the equipment was bought from the EU. Would it have been bought if it cost more? Would you have to buy inferior equipment if you went elsewhere? Lucky you for not noticing. You must be doing very well for yourself whilst everyone else isn't. Also, well done you for being so thrifty with your half a dozen flights. I'd say that was atypical, but I guess you wouldn't believe me  | |||
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"Oh the worst has still to come. People will start to feel the effects when the single market and customs union end. I wonder how the rest of the world manages. The vast majority of countries in the world are not in the EU and they still trade with the EU. Where do Remainers think they get their imports from? Does anyone think that the US, Japan, for example, has to open their borders to all 465m EU citizens? Or subjugate themselves to ECJ rulings? Far too much ignorance around on this subject by people who should know better" 15% of our economy is reliant upon the EU. Pissing them off is clearly the work of geniuses. As a point of comparison, only 3% of the combined economies of the EU is derived from the UK.....go figure who has the most to lose. | |||
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And making things smaller and selling for the same price has only been since June 2016?
Prices have never gone up?
Fuel? Paying less than I was 2 years ago. Bremainers said it would rise by 19 pence a litre practically overnight. It hasn't."you're paying 20p a litre more than you were in January 2016 though.....damned stats eh? | |||
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And making things smaller and selling for the same price has only been since June 2016?
Prices have never gone up?
Fuel? Paying less than I was 2 years ago. Bremainers said it would rise by 19 pence a litre practically overnight. It hasn't. you're paying 20p a litre more than you were in January 2016 though.....damned stats eh?"You must have been very lonely at the polling station in Jan 2016. | |||
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"I'm close to the Irish border and it's a big deal to us here. The border can't be compared to the Norway-Sweden set up. It's been as good as a non-existent border for as far back as I can remember, so to have any barrier there now is a nail in the coffin for the local economy here" The uk does not want a hard border there the EU does | |||
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"Fuel at the pump is still a lot lower than it was before any of this brexit situation. As a lot of other things are still cheaper than before even with all of the scare mongering. " thats not true i am afraid..... before the referendum the price of petrol was hovering around the £1.02 per gallon range...... now the average price is £1.16 per gallon mark..... also because most commodities are priced in US dollars...... most things would have gone because of the lower value of the pound against the dollar...... | |||
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" The uk does not want a hard border there the EU does " This is the kind of post that really encapsulates the simple-mindedness of Brexitology. An inability to recognise the issue because of its complexity results in a false conclusion and the blame being incorrectly laid at the feet of the enemy and then broadcast as fake news. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland are proposing to leave the European Union, the single market and the customs union. By international law that puts a border in place and unless that border is “managed” it will by default become a rat run of people and goods smuggling. On day 1 product origination, tariffs and quality controls will be the same on both sides but divergence starts immediately. This means that there will be differences in quality control, taxes and origination guarantees. Such issues create opportunities for smugglers and neither the U.K., nor the EU want to create either a hard border or a soft border where goods, services and people can be illegally trafficked. The only answer (that DUP won’t accept) is a border in the Irish Sea so that everyone arriving or departing to the island of Ireland is subject to passport and customs checks. This is the reason that the border question remains stuck, it is absolutely not the EU demanding a border - if anything it would be Brexiters demanding that the soft border be strengthened to defend against illegal immigrants simply walking into the U.K. | |||
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"Fuel at the pump is still a lot lower than it was before any of this brexit situation. As a lot of other things are still cheaper than before even with all of the scare mongering. " Sorry your either d*unk or diluded fuel ?? I.S approx 18p a litre more than before the referendum | |||
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"I'm close to the Irish border and it's a big deal to us here. The border can't be compared to the Norway-Sweden set up." Did you know, the feminists in sweden want a open border to anyone, they cant see how the current situation is destroying the country. | |||
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" I've just bought half a dozen flights.... At less than I paid for them last year." I love it when being mention flight prices not going up.... because it shows a lack of understanding of how airline industry works... because airline flights go on sale up to about 12 months before travel.... to try and maintain a constant price over an entire yearly cycle, the airline by fuel in bulk and agree on that price about 15-18 months prior and they all did to hedge the bets on how much fuel would have gone up...... so actually if the referendum was in june 16, they would have basically bought fuel in effect to cover them right the way thru to the end of the summer timetable 17 (basically mid october) so for here on it would may now start to see airline prices going up in the next few months because this is the first bulks that would covered by the post pound post brexit falls...... the other interesting part of airline industury and will need to sorted out very quickly, what is going to happen with "open skies" because in theory the airline are not going tbe after to sell any tickets to/from the uk post apr 19.... carriers won't know what they will be charged because all flights in/out will need to go via EU airspace, also you wont know what flight paths will be given to UK based carriers....... | |||
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"Fuel at the pump is still a lot lower than it was before any of this brexit situation. As a lot of other things are still cheaper than before even with all of the scare mongering. Sorry your either d*unk or diluded fuel ?? I.S approx 18p a litre more than before the referendum And how long ago were we paying over £1.38 per litre ? And that was way earlier than the referendum " and that was due to the price of oil.... there is a big difference between paying 90-100 dollars a barrel... and paying 45 dollars a barrel!!! the combination of higher oil prices, and countries putting in quota's again... and the pound being worth less against the dollar since the referendum is why prices hit the floor... and then when up again! | |||
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"Fuel at the pump is still a lot lower than it was before any of this brexit situation. As a lot of other things are still cheaper than before even with all of the scare mongering. Sorry your either d*unk or diluded fuel ?? I.S approx 18p a litre more than before the referendum And how long ago were we paying over £1.38 per litre ? And that was way earlier than the referendum " the was due to the price of oil that had nothing to do with the referendum which is what we’re talking about | |||
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"Just to get this clear; are there people on here actually writing that they have not noticed everything getting more expensive or smaller and not noticed all international travel being dearer?
And making things smaller and selling for the same price has only been since June 2016?
Prices have never gone up?
Fuel? Paying less than I was 2 years ago. Bremainers said it would rise by 19 pence a litre practically overnight. It hasn't. you're paying 20p a litre more than you were in January 2016 though.....damned stats eh?
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"Fuel at the pump is still a lot lower than it was before any of this brexit situation. As a lot of other things are still cheaper than before even with all of the scare mongering. thats not true i am afraid..... before the referendum the price of petrol was hovering around the £1.02 per gallon range...... now the average price is £1.16 per gallon mark..... also because most commodities are priced in US dollars...... most things would have gone because of the lower value of the pound against the dollar......" You're quoting Jan 16 figures (look up RAC website on fuel prices). Between Jan 16 and June 23 16 it went from £1.02 to £1.12 a litre...an increase of 9% in less than 6 months. According to the RAC diesel was £1.12 a litre immediately before the referendum. I paid £1.16 yesterday. An increase of 3.5% in 16 months. NOT the 19% that Remainers predicted. Crude oil was $46 a barrel before the referendum, $52 now. An increase of 13%. | |||
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"While people discuss brexit people are not looking at what is happening in Europe and realising it isn't just the UK that will leave it is most of the countries in Europe that will leave when the next banking crisis happens. If you're looking into your crystal ball, do something useful and tell us next weeks lotto numbers." You don't need a crystal ball to predict a mathematical certainty. the question is when not if. | |||
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"LIFE WILL BE FAR BETTER WHEN WE FULLY LEAVE THE E.U. D you think so why’s that then I don't think so Mattie, I know so, speaking for myself anyway, things will be far better Life is great just now, and hopefully about to become greater when we leave now wheres the middle finger mojo" realy that’s good for ile give you two fingers fella rock on | |||
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"Fuel at the pump is still a lot lower than it was before any of this brexit situation. As a lot of other things are still cheaper than before even with all of the scare mongering. thats not true i am afraid..... before the referendum the price of petrol was hovering around the £1.02 per gallon range...... now the average price is £1.16 per gallon mark..... also because most commodities are priced in US dollars...... most things would have gone because of the lower value of the pound against the dollar...... You're quoting Jan 16 figures (look up RAC website on fuel prices). Between Jan 16 and June 23 16 it went from £1.02 to £1.12 a litre...an increase of 9% in less than 6 months. According to the RAC diesel was £1.12 a litre immediately before the referendum. I paid £1.16 yesterday. An increase of 3.5% in 16 months. NOT the 19% that Remainers predicted. Crude oil was $46 a barrel before the referendum, $52 now. An increase of 13%." All prices fluctuate for all sorts of reasons. However, it is priced in dollars. How has that changed since the Brexit vote? Consequently, how much cheaper would it be if that had not happened? The same with aviation fuel and imported gas. Arguing a point to "win" regardless of the available information is futile. You were on firmer ground with you, personally, seeing increased investment in improving production. However, I note that you have not commented on the fact that replacing "foreigners" jobs with machines doesn't help create jobs for "natives". You also haven't said what proportion of this equipment came from the UK, the EU and the rest of the world. | |||
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"Fuel at the pump is still a lot lower than it was before any of this brexit situation. As a lot of other things are still cheaper than before even with all of the scare mongering. thats not true i am afraid..... before the referendum the price of petrol was hovering around the £1.02 per gallon range...... now the average price is £1.16 per gallon mark..... also because most commodities are priced in US dollars...... most things would have gone because of the lower value of the pound against the dollar...... You're quoting Jan 16 figures (look up RAC website on fuel prices). Between Jan 16 and June 23 16 it went from £1.02 to £1.12 a litre...an increase of 9% in less than 6 months. According to the RAC diesel was £1.12 a litre immediately before the referendum. I paid £1.16 yesterday. An increase of 3.5% in 16 months. NOT the 19% that Remainers predicted. Crude oil was $46 a barrel before the referendum, $52 now. An increase of 13%. All prices fluctuate for all sorts of reasons. However, it is priced in dollars. How has that changed since the Brexit vote? Consequently, how much cheaper would it be if that had not happened? The same with aviation fuel and imported gas. Arguing a point to "win" regardless of the available information is futile. You were on firmer ground with you, personally, seeing increased investment in improving production. However, I note that you have not commented on the fact that replacing "foreigners" jobs with machines doesn't help create jobs for "natives". You also haven't said what proportion of this equipment came from the UK, the EU and the rest of the world. "About 20% EU, 60% UK, 20% USA. One company in UK that we deal with has seen their sales within the UK increase by 30%, and their exports increase by 22%. As regards labour, and productivity, automation is their to replace labour, thus improving productivity. It's not about creating jobs for natives - what they found wad, instead of employing cheap labour, that was leaving, it makes more economic sense to automate in this areas where there is no longer a readily available labour pool.Or do you not understand that simple concept? | |||
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"Fuel at the pump is still a lot lower than it was before any of this brexit situation. As a lot of other things are still cheaper than before even with all of the scare mongering. thats not true i am afraid..... before the referendum the price of petrol was hovering around the £1.02 per gallon range...... now the average price is £1.16 per gallon mark..... also because most commodities are priced in US dollars...... most things would have gone because of the lower value of the pound against the dollar...... You're quoting Jan 16 figures (look up RAC website on fuel prices). Between Jan 16 and June 23 16 it went from £1.02 to £1.12 a litre...an increase of 9% in less than 6 months. According to the RAC diesel was £1.12 a litre immediately before the referendum. I paid £1.16 yesterday. An increase of 3.5% in 16 months. NOT the 19% that Remainers predicted. Crude oil was $46 a barrel before the referendum, $52 now. An increase of 13%. All prices fluctuate for all sorts of reasons. However, it is priced in dollars. How has that changed since the Brexit vote? Consequently, how much cheaper would it be if that had not happened? The same with aviation fuel and imported gas. Arguing a point to "win" regardless of the available information is futile. You were on firmer ground with you, personally, seeing increased investment in improving production. However, I note that you have not commented on the fact that replacing "foreigners" jobs with machines doesn't help create jobs for "natives". You also haven't said what proportion of this equipment came from the UK, the EU and the rest of the world.
About 20% EU, 60% UK, 20% USA.
One company in UK that we deal with has seen their sales within the UK increase by 30%, and their exports increase by 22%.
As regards labour, and productivity, automation is their to replace labour, thus improving productivity. It's not about creating jobs for natives - what they found wad, instead of employing cheap labour, that was leaving, it makes more economic sense to automate in this areas where there is no longer a readily available labour pool.Or do you not understand that simple concept?"I'm guessing you don't know what proportion of the sub-assemblies or components or components come from various places or if the products are actually bought in and resold. No reason you should, just think about the next step in the chain. I do understand the simple concept of productivity. Mwah. Do you understand its consequences? So is the French what we want to move to? Very high efficiency compared to the UK but also higher unemployment. Is this the dream of Brexit? Is this what was voted for? It does rather simply that nobody was having their jobs "taken" doesn't it? I can see why it all seems good to you if you don't "believe" the prices have risen or a weaker currency has negative consequences to most individuals... | |||
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"Fuel at the pump is still a lot lower than it was before any of this brexit situation. As a lot of other things are still cheaper than before even with all of the scare mongering. thats not true i am afraid..... before the referendum the price of petrol was hovering around the £1.02 per gallon range...... now the average price is £1.16 per gallon mark..... also because most commodities are priced in US dollars...... most things would have gone because of the lower value of the pound against the dollar...... You're quoting Jan 16 figures (look up RAC website on fuel prices). Between Jan 16 and June 23 16 it went from £1.02 to £1.12 a litre...an increase of 9% in less than 6 months. According to the RAC diesel was £1.12 a litre immediately before the referendum. I paid £1.16 yesterday. An increase of 3.5% in 16 months. NOT the 19% that Remainers predicted. Crude oil was $46 a barrel before the referendum, $52 now. An increase of 13%. All prices fluctuate for all sorts of reasons. However, it is priced in dollars. How has that changed since the Brexit vote? Consequently, how much cheaper would it be if that had not happened? The same with aviation fuel and imported gas. Arguing a point to "win" regardless of the available information is futile. You were on firmer ground with you, personally, seeing increased investment in improving production. However, I note that you have not commented on the fact that replacing "foreigners" jobs with machines doesn't help create jobs for "natives". You also haven't said what proportion of this equipment came from the UK, the EU and the rest of the world.
About 20% EU, 60% UK, 20% USA.
One company in UK that we deal with has seen their sales within the UK increase by 30%, and their exports increase by 22%.
As regards labour, and productivity, automation is their to replace labour, thus improving productivity. It's not about creating jobs for natives - what they found wad, instead of employing cheap labour, that was leaving, it makes more economic sense to automate in this areas where there is no longer a readily available labour pool.Or do you not understand that simple concept?
I'm guessing you don't know what proportion of the sub-assemblies or components or components come from various places or if the products are actually bought in and resold. No reason you should, just think about the next step in the chain.
I do understand the simple concept of productivity. Mwah.
Do you understand its consequences?
So is the French what we want to move to? Very high efficiency compared to the UK but also higher unemployment. Is this the dream of Brexit? Is this what was voted for?
It does rather simply that nobody was having their jobs "taken" doesn't it?
I can see why it all seems good to you if you don't "believe" the prices have risen or a weaker currency has negative consequences to most individuals...
You really should go back to your village....you're sorely missed."Good response. You dealt with all of those points really well. You grasped the perspective beyond your own interests and applied that to the wider question as to why people may have voted for Brexit and what they hoped for as a consequence. You also acknowledged the few objective facts linked directly to the referendum result. The question, to be fair, was about how people have been directly effected by Brexit so it's also pretty amazing to learn that some inhabit a parallel reality where prices haven't risen. How do the rest of us get in? | |||
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"While people discuss brexit people are not looking at what is happening in Europe and realising it isn't just the UK that will leave it is most of the countries in Europe that will leave when the next banking crisis happens. If you're looking into your crystal ball, do something useful and tell us next weeks lotto numbers." Did you ask George Osborne that when he predicted what would happen in the year 2030 during the referendum campaign? | |||
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"The EU is destroying my country our culture and our way of life as well as swamping us with so much people that we are building all over green belt land. The relatively small % of nurses doctors and skilled people we do get does not negate the criminals and cost of benefits and NHS care etc. Add in the Billions it costs us tax payers every year to have our democracy taken away, the same democracy millions died defending and anyone who wants to stay in the EU in my mind is a bleathering treacherous idiot. I love the nation states of Europe it's the EU I hate and the type of so called politicians that are in charge if us and who are destroying Europe. "
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"The EU is destroying my country our culture and our way of life as well as swamping us with so much people that we are building all over green belt land. The relatively small % of nurses doctors and skilled people we do get does not negate the criminals and cost of benefits and NHS care etc. Add in the Billions it costs us tax payers every year to have our democracy taken away, the same democracy millions died defending and anyone who wants to stay in the EU in my mind is a bleathering treacherous idiot. I love the nation states of Europe it's the EU I hate and the type of so called politicians that are in charge if us and who are destroying Europe.
Have to agree and the sooner we are out the better.
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" Indeed it is and apparently this normal is affecting some to such a degree they need to leave , I'm just curious what specific Eu legislation makes a person's life so difficult as I live in the same country and I cannot think of anything ? Ever-increasing population driving up house prices, immigrants undercutting wages, increasing dependence on imports. People I know who have children often say schools are overcrowded. In some areas, one hears more foreign voices than English. I think one of the understated benefits of leaving will be that we will have to try to sort our own problems out instead of blaming the EU. Having said that, I think we will still be badly-governed by exploitative politicians. I have always been in favour of Britain being outside the EU and its antecedents. I was also aware that we could end up with something worse than remaining, so we are taking a chance - it is a voyage into the unknown. The basic problem is that Brexiters have such a range of differing political views that it is inevitable that most of us will be disappointed. You may well be right but in the long run (10 years+) we may well find we made the right decision. No one knows what it will be like once we have left the EU but I for one would not be happy with a United States of Europe and the Euro. We don't know for sure what it will be like once we've left the EU but only in the same way that we don't know for sure that the sun will rise tomorrow morning or that Christmas will happen next December 25th. Cutting our trading links with our biggest, richest and closest neighbours in a forlorn hope of replacing that trade with partners poorer, smaller and further away is he only going to have one possible outcome, and it's not £350 million extra a week for the NHS." Don't be silly of course the sun will rise tomorrow unless the plant earth no longer exists, I admit we may have a hard time for a few years but I for one think it will be worth it in the long run. | |||
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"Don't be silly of course the sun will rise tomorrow unless the plant earth no longer exists, I admit we may have a hard time for a few years but I for one think it will be worth it in the long run. " at your age you'll have snuffed it long before the country recovers from this cataclysmic right wing shit-fest | |||
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"Don't be silly of course the sun will rise tomorrow unless the plant earth no longer exists, I admit we may have a hard time for a few years but I for one think it will be worth it in the long run. at your age you'll have snuffed it long before the country recovers from this cataclysmic right wing shit-fest " Oh yeah well at least I,ll snuff it in an EU free country hopefully and your comments just show you up for being an ageist. | |||
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" As regards labour, and productivity, automation is their to replace labour, thus improving productivity. It's not about creating jobs for natives - what they found wad, instead of employing cheap labour, that was leaving, it makes more economic sense to automate in this areas where there is no longer a readily available labour pool.Or do you not understand that simple concept? So rather than have jobs for humans, that gives them a sense of pride, gives them money in their pocket to spend in their local economies, instead you would rather that human was out of a job, feeling depressed, and claiming benefits whilst a robot does a job that a human being used to do? " Read the bit of the thread that you just quoted again.... "it makes more economic sense to automate in this areas where there is no longer a readily available labour pool". From previous posts in the thread, the staff leaving are from the EU, and are choosing to go home. There are no humans available for the jobs.... Or would you rather automation wasn't used, the company don't make the product, and then it ends up with the company going bust, putting a few hundred people out of work, taking away their sense of pride, and leaving them with no money in their pocket to spend in their local econame? Would you rather the country didn't use any automation, and instead only used humans to carry out work? How do you think that would end up? | |||
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" As regards labour, and productivity, automation is their to replace labour, thus improving productivity. It's not about creating jobs for natives - what they found wad, instead of employing cheap labour, that was leaving, it makes more economic sense to automate in this areas where there is no longer a readily available labour pool.Or do you not understand that simple concept? So rather than have jobs for humans, that gives them a sense of pride, gives them money in their pocket to spend in their local economies, instead you would rather that human was out of a job, feeling depressed, and claiming benefits whilst a robot does a job that a human being used to do? Do you think that the world owes anyone and everyone a job?" Look at countries around the world without legal jobs for the masses and you tell me what you see. You'll see criminality, piracy, civil war and terrorism. | |||
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" As regards labour, and productivity, automation is their to replace labour, thus improving productivity. It's not about creating jobs for natives - what they found wad, instead of employing cheap labour, that was leaving, it makes more economic sense to automate in this areas where there is no longer a readily available labour pool.Or do you not understand that simple concept? So rather than have jobs for humans, that gives them a sense of pride, gives them money in their pocket to spend in their local economies, instead you would rather that human was out of a job, feeling depressed, and claiming benefits whilst a robot does a job that a human being used to do? Read the bit of the thread that you just quoted again.... "it makes more economic sense to automate in this areas where there is no longer a readily available labour pool". From previous posts in the thread, the staff leaving are from the EU, and are choosing to go home. There are no humans available for the jobs.... Or would you rather automation wasn't used, the company don't make the product, and then it ends up with the company going bust, putting a few hundred people out of work, taking away their sense of pride, and leaving them with no money in their pocket to spend in their local econame? Would you rather the country didn't use any automation, and instead only used humans to carry out work? How do you think that would end up? " I would rather people do the jobs. You might be happy to be replaced by a robot and spend the rest of your life sitting around on benefits, but most people, myself included, prefer to work for a living. I think it is ridiculously naive of you to think that automation would only affect jobs that EU workers do, and not impact British jobs. What evidence do you have to support that assertion? | |||
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" As regards labour, and productivity, automation is their to replace labour, thus improving productivity. It's not about creating jobs for natives - what they found wad, instead of employing cheap labour, that was leaving, it makes more economic sense to automate in this areas where there is no longer a readily available labour pool.Or do you not understand that simple concept? So rather than have jobs for humans, that gives them a sense of pride, gives them money in their pocket to spend in their local economies, instead you would rather that human was out of a job, feeling depressed, and claiming benefits whilst a robot does a job that a human being used to do? Read the bit of the thread that you just quoted again.... "it makes more economic sense to automate in this areas where there is no longer a readily available labour pool". From previous posts in the thread, the staff leaving are from the EU, and are choosing to go home. There are no humans available for the jobs.... Or would you rather automation wasn't used, the company don't make the product, and then it ends up with the company going bust, putting a few hundred people out of work, taking away their sense of pride, and leaving them with no money in their pocket to spend in their local econame? Would you rather the country didn't use any automation, and instead only used humans to carry out work? How do you think that would end up? I would rather people do the jobs. You might be happy to be replaced by a robot and spend the rest of your life sitting around on benefits, but most people, myself included, prefer to work for a living. I think it is ridiculously naive of you to think that automation would only affect jobs that EU workers do, and not impact British jobs. What evidence do you have to support that assertion? " I'm talking about a specific example. As well you know. However, on the wider question, you've just said you'd rather there was no automation anywhere in the UK and that people are doing the jobs that can be automated. Now follow that path to its logical conclusion, and see where you want the UK to end up. | |||
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"No not really . Tired of hearing doom and negativity everywhere you go you've got to love to love the British Kind of reminds of Ray Winston in sexy beast . When he's asked do you miss England ? His reply. Nah everyone shuffling about with a long face moaning all worried . Kind of sums up here at the moment just get on with the job and stop moaning ! " why? because you say so? what a conceited load of shit | |||
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"Well according to the Express Britain is £450 billion worse off! It goes on to quote that foreign investment has gone from +£120 billion to -£25 billion a shift of £145b. Based on the 1st 6m of 2016 compared to 2017." I read about this .Almost half a trillion black hole..Jesus titty christ  | |||
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"Well according to the Express Britain is £450 billion worse off! It goes on to quote that foreign investment has gone from +£120 billion to -£25 billion a shift of £145b. Based on the 1st 6m of 2016 compared to 2017. I read about this .Almost half a trillion black hole..Jesus titty christ "But..... but..... we might get to change the colour of our passports, so I guess that will make it worth it, right? | |||
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But..... but..... we might get to change the colour of our passports, so I guess that will make it worth it, right? "Telegraph says £490b - who do you believe? | |||
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"the way things are going you'll be choking to death on the news of a failed brexit in a french run ex-nhs clinic in a pool of your own piss Suddenly 11 hours without a reply. I think you may have just given him a heart attack... i hope not.... but the irony of him being treated by a doctor or nurse from the EU would be extremely juicy......." Was it him, or another poster who complained about being treated by a foreign doctor that we said hasn't qualified, yet he was so worried about it, he didn't even report it! | |||
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"Oh yeah well at least I,ll snuff it in an EU free country hopefully and your comments just show you up for being an ageist.
the way things are going you'll be choking to death on the news of a failed brexit in a french run ex-nhs clinic in a pool of your own piss "What a very nice person you are not. | |||
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the way things are going you'll be choking to death on the news of a failed brexit in a french run ex-nhs clinic in a pool of your own piss
What a very nice person you are not."you're far from being sweetness and light yourself ... and quite frankly i couldn't give a flying fuck what you think about me ... now stop moidering me unless you want me to point out some more of your character failings | |||
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the way things are going you'll be choking to death on the news of a failed brexit in a french run ex-nhs clinic in a pool of your own piss
What a very nice person you are not.
you're far from being sweetness and light yourself ... and quite frankly i couldn't give a flying fuck what you think about me ... now stop moidering me unless you want me to point out some more of your character failings"Go ahead your just showing yourself up for what you are. | |||
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"Oh yeah well at least I,ll snuff it in an EU free country hopefully and your comments just show you up for being an ageist.
the way things are going you'll be choking to death on the news of a failed brexit in a french run ex-nhs clinic in a pool of your own piss
What a very nice person you are not.
you're far from being sweetness and light yourself ... and quite frankly i couldn't give a flying fuck what you think about me ... now stop moidering me unless you want me to point out some more of your character failings
Go ahead your just showing yourself up for what you are."so you're back for more home truths .... i find you obnoxious ... go away | |||
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the way things are going you'll be choking to death on the news of a failed brexit in a french run ex-nhs clinic in a pool of your own piss
What a very nice person you are not.
you're far from being sweetness and light yourself ... and quite frankly i couldn't give a flying fuck what you think about me ... now stop moidering me unless you want me to point out some more of your character failings
Go ahead your just showing yourself up for what you are.
so you're back for more home truths .... i find you obnoxious ... go away"Make me go away | |||
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"Oh yeah well at least I,ll snuff it in an EU free country hopefully and your comments just show you up for being an ageist.
the way things are going you'll be choking to death on the news of a failed brexit in a french run ex-nhs clinic in a pool of your own piss
What a very nice person you are not.
you're far from being sweetness and light yourself ... and quite frankly i couldn't give a flying fuck what you think about me ... now stop moidering me unless you want me to point out some more of your character failings
Go ahead your just showing yourself up for what you are.
so you're back for more home truths .... i find you obnoxious ... go away
Make me go away"you're clearly giving yourself a cerebral infarction now | |||
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the way things are going you'll be choking to death on the news of a failed brexit in a french run ex-nhs clinic in a pool of your own piss
What a very nice person you are not.
you're far from being sweetness and light yourself ... and quite frankly i couldn't give a flying fuck what you think about me ... now stop moidering me unless you want me to point out some more of your character failings
Go ahead your just showing yourself up for what you are.
so you're back for more home truths .... i find you obnoxious ... go away
Make me go away
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"Still here. "yes you are ... more's the pity ... still you probably just bored of waiting for god for such a long time ... not long to wait now though grandpa | |||
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yes you are ... more's the pity ... still you probably just bored of waiting for god for such a long time ... not long to wait now though grandpa "Quite right not long now about 4 years till we are free of the EU and I don't believe in god so not waiting for him. | |||
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" As regards labour, and productivity, automation is their to replace labour, thus improving productivity. It's not about creating jobs for natives - what they found wad, instead of employing cheap labour, that was leaving, it makes more economic sense to automate in this areas where there is no longer a readily available labour pool.Or do you not understand that simple concept? So rather than have jobs for humans, that gives them a sense of pride, gives them money in their pocket to spend in their local economies, instead you would rather that human was out of a job, feeling depressed, and claiming benefits whilst a robot does a job that a human being used to do? Read the bit of the thread that you just quoted again.... "it makes more economic sense to automate in this areas where there is no longer a readily available labour pool". From previous posts in the thread, the staff leaving are from the EU, and are choosing to go home. There are no humans available for the jobs.... Or would you rather automation wasn't used, the company don't make the product, and then it ends up with the company going bust, putting a few hundred people out of work, taking away their sense of pride, and leaving them with no money in their pocket to spend in their local econame? Would you rather the country didn't use any automation, and instead only used humans to carry out work? How do you think that would end up? I would rather people do the jobs. You might be happy to be replaced by a robot and spend the rest of your life sitting around on benefits, but most people, myself included, prefer to work for a living. I think it is ridiculously naive of you to think that automation would only affect jobs that EU workers do, and not impact British jobs. What evidence do you have to support that assertion? I'm talking about a specific example. As well you know. However, on the wider question, you've just said you'd rather there was no automation anywhere in the UK and that people are doing the jobs that can be automated. Now follow that path to its logical conclusion, and see where you want the UK to end up. I have no idea what specific example you are referring to. Then read the whole thread, and try not to come in three quarters of the way through to try to score points. I take it you'd force people who are on benefits but are able to work to do jobs that are currently done by automation, and get rid if automation. The benefits system is already set up to penalise people who don't take up job offers. I'm sure your work coach has told you that many times." So you agree with forcing people to take the jobs you tell them to do then. Glad we've sorted that out. | |||
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" As regards labour, and productivity, automation is their to replace labour, thus improving productivity. It's not about creating jobs for natives - what they found wad, instead of employing cheap labour, that was leaving, it makes more economic sense to automate in this areas where there is no longer a readily available labour pool.Or do you not understand that simple concept? So rather than have jobs for humans, that gives them a sense of pride, gives them money in their pocket to spend in their local economies, instead you would rather that human was out of a job, feeling depressed, and claiming benefits whilst a robot does a job that a human being used to do? Read the bit of the thread that you just quoted again.... "it makes more economic sense to automate in this areas where there is no longer a readily available labour pool". From previous posts in the thread, the staff leaving are from the EU, and are choosing to go home. There are no humans available for the jobs.... Or would you rather automation wasn't used, the company don't make the product, and then it ends up with the company going bust, putting a few hundred people out of work, taking away their sense of pride, and leaving them with no money in their pocket to spend in their local econame? Would you rather the country didn't use any automation, and instead only used humans to carry out work? How do you think that would end up? I would rather people do the jobs. You might be happy to be replaced by a robot and spend the rest of your life sitting around on benefits, but most people, myself included, prefer to work for a living. I think it is ridiculously naive of you to think that automation would only affect jobs that EU workers do, and not impact British jobs. What evidence do you have to support that assertion? I'm talking about a specific example. As well you know. However, on the wider question, you've just said you'd rather there was no automation anywhere in the UK and that people are doing the jobs that can be automated. Now follow that path to its logical conclusion, and see where you want the UK to end up. I have no idea what specific example you are referring to. Then read the whole thread, and try not to come in three quarters of the way through to try to score points. I take it you'd force people who are on benefits but are able to work to do jobs that are currently done by automation, and get rid if automation. The benefits system is already set up to penalise people who don't take up job offers. I'm sure your work coach has told you that many times. So you agree with forcing people to take the jobs you tell them to do then. Glad we've sorted that out." Where have I said that it's a job that I tell them to do? Your comprehension skills are very poor. | |||
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" Quite right not long now about 4 years like i said ... you'll have snuffed it by then going from how old you are "I could easily out live you hopefully I will. | |||
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I could easily out live you hopefully I will. "Was it you who claimed to have an unqualified doctor which you then failed to report? | |||
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"The EU is destroying my country our culture and our way of life as well as swamping us with so much people that we are building all over green belt land. The relatively small % of nurses doctors and skilled people we do get does not negate the criminals and cost of benefits and NHS care etc. Add in the Billions it costs us tax payers every year to have our democracy taken away, the same democracy millions died defending and anyone who wants to stay in the EU in my mind is a bleathering treacherous idiot. I love the nation states of Europe it's the EU I hate and the type of so called politicians that are in charge if us and who are destroying Europe. " this post has been annoying me and i wasn't sure why.... and then i realised that its actually full of "untruths" and "halftruths" so i am going into full "factcheck" mode.... 1) they say a "small %" of doctors and nurses... well the about of non-uk docs and nurses is somewhere around the 20% mark...... you are more likely to be treated by a non-uk health professional than be in a hospital bed next to a non-uk person.... 2)how much do EU citizens cost the NHS..... well the answer to that should be actually "zero" because the NHS can claim back all that money from other EU countries (just like for example if you were to have an accident in spain if you were on holiday and needed treatment) 3) all reports actually agree (and not even leave groups deny) that EU citizens are a net benefit to this country monetarilly because what they end up spending, plus what they pay in taxes far than makes up for what they get in any beneifts (the only benefits they can get straight away anyway are child benefits and working tax credits.... to claim for unemployment benefit they must have been here for at least 2 years!!!!) see... people make "wishy washy" claims.... but they don't actually look into EU and non-eu groups and lump them all together!!!! | |||
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"The EU is destroying my country our culture and our way of life as well as swamping us with so much people that we are building all over green belt land. The relatively small % of nurses doctors and skilled people we do get does not negate the criminals and cost of benefits and NHS care etc. Add in the Billions it costs us tax payers every year to have our democracy taken away, the same democracy millions died defending and anyone who wants to stay in the EU in my mind is a bleathering treacherous idiot. I love the nation states of Europe it's the EU I hate and the type of so called politicians that are in charge if us and who are destroying Europe. this post has been annoying me and i wasn't sure why.... and then i realised that its actually full of "untruths" and "halftruths" so i am going into full "factcheck" mode.... 1) they say a "small %" of doctors and nurses... well the about of non-uk docs and nurses is somewhere around the 20% mark...... you are more likely to be treated by a non-uk health professional than be in a hospital bed next to a non-uk person.... 2)how much do EU citizens cost the NHS..... well the answer to that should be actually "zero" because the NHS can claim back all that money from other EU countries (just like for example if you were to have an accident in spain if you were on holiday and needed treatment) 3) all reports actually agree (and not even leave groups deny) that EU citizens are a net benefit to this country monetarilly because what they end up spending, plus what they pay in taxes far than makes up for what they get in any beneifts (the only benefits they can get straight away anyway are child benefits and working tax credits.... to claim for unemployment benefit they must have been here for at least 2 years!!!!) see... people make "wishy washy" claims.... but they don't actually look into EU and non-eu groups and lump them all together!!!! " Completely agree, the quoted post makes me think of a family I know, white english born and bred, one set of Grandparents, 6 children, 19 grandchildren 31 great grandchildren, a tiny fraction of the adults work, the majority have council housing and live on benefits, but it's all okay because they are English and white | |||
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"The EU is destroying my country our culture and our way of life as well as swamping us with so much people that we are building all over green belt land. The relatively small % of nurses doctors and skilled people we do get does not negate the criminals and cost of benefits and NHS care etc. Add in the Billions it costs us tax payers every year to have our democracy taken away, the same democracy millions died defending and anyone who wants to stay in the EU in my mind is a bleathering treacherous idiot. I love the nation states of Europe it's the EU I hate and the type of so called politicians that are in charge if us and who are destroying Europe. this post has been annoying me and i wasn't sure why.... and then i realised that its actually full of "untruths" and "halftruths" so i am going into full "factcheck" mode.... 1) they say a "small %" of doctors and nurses... well the about of non-uk docs and nurses is somewhere around the 20% mark...... you are more likely to be treated by a non-uk health professional than be in a hospital bed next to a non-uk person.... 2)how much do EU citizens cost the NHS..... well the answer to that should be actually "zero" because the NHS can claim back all that money from other EU countries (just like for example if you were to have an accident in spain if you were on holiday and needed treatment) 3) all reports actually agree (and not even leave groups deny) that EU citizens are a net benefit to this country monetarilly because what they end up spending, plus what they pay in taxes far than makes up for what they get in any beneifts (the only benefits they can get straight away anyway are child benefits and working tax credits.... to claim for unemployment benefit they must have been here for at least 2 years!!!!) see... people make "wishy washy" claims.... but they don't actually look into EU and non-eu groups and lump them all together!!!! " A bit rich of you to call out "half truths" and "untruths" when what you just posted is also full of "half truths" and "untruths". Have you been fact checking at 4chan and buzzfeed again?
1. To say a small % of doctors and nurses come from the EU is actually correct because the bulk of that 20% you quoted for 'non UK' are actually from Asia, countries like Indian and Pakistani doctors and nurses, who are discriminated against by the EU free movement of people rules because EU citizens get preferential treatment and priority when coming here over non EU citizens. I'd much rather have a highly skilled Indian Doctor coming here than an unskilled EU citizen who may be looking for a bit of Labouring on a building site!!!! This is why we need to leave the EU and take back control of our own immigration systems, so WE decide who comes into this country and we can end this free movement of people madness.
2. Yet again remainers only seem to look at things from a monetary or financial perspective and you're 2nd point fails to take into account the negative cultural and social costs of mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU. It's not only about the NHS in monetary terms anyway, you also have the cost of schooling immigrants kids and also housing them. There is also the negative environmental aspects as more of the green belt is destroyed to build more houses, roads, railways and infrastructure for them too.
3. All reports don't actually agree that EU citizens are a net benefit to this country monetarily, some reports from independent bodies like Migrationwatch UK say they are a net drain or at best 'break even'. Even arch Remainer Vince Cable the leader of the Lib dems said just after the referendum result that it was highly questionable if EU citizens were a net benefit to this country and he thought on balance it was around the break even mark. Again this is only talking about the financial side of things and not taking into account the negative cultural, social and environmental costs of mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU.
See.....people make "wishy washy" claims and don't take time to fully check what they are preaching about from their soap boxes on here. People don't lump EU and non EU all together but that's exactly what you did in point 1 of your post when you talked about "20% of non UK" staff working in the NHS. | |||
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"The EU is destroying my country our culture and our way of life as well as swamping us with so much people that we are building all over green belt land. The relatively small % of nurses doctors and skilled people we do get does not negate the criminals and cost of benefits and NHS care etc. Add in the Billions it costs us tax payers every year to have our democracy taken away, the same democracy millions died defending and anyone who wants to stay in the EU in my mind is a bleathering treacherous idiot. I love the nation states of Europe it's the EU I hate and the type of so called politicians that are in charge if us and who are destroying Europe. this post has been annoying me and i wasn't sure why.... and then i realised that its actually full of "untruths" and "halftruths" so i am going into full "factcheck" mode.... 1) they say a "small %" of doctors and nurses... well the about of non-uk docs and nurses is somewhere around the 20% mark...... you are more likely to be treated by a non-uk health professional than be in a hospital bed next to a non-uk person.... 2)how much do EU citizens cost the NHS..... well the answer to that should be actually "zero" because the NHS can claim back all that money from other EU countries (just like for example if you were to have an accident in spain if you were on holiday and needed treatment) 3) all reports actually agree (and not even leave groups deny) that EU citizens are a net benefit to this country monetarilly because what they end up spending, plus what they pay in taxes far than makes up for what they get in any beneifts (the only benefits they can get straight away anyway are child benefits and working tax credits.... to claim for unemployment benefit they must have been here for at least 2 years!!!!) see... people make "wishy washy" claims.... but they don't actually look into EU and non-eu groups and lump them all together!!!! A bit rich of you to call out "half truths" and "untruths" when what you just posted is also full of "half truths" and "untruths". Have you been fact checking at 4chan and buzzfeed again?
1. To say a small % of doctors and nurses come from the EU is actually correct because the bulk of that 20% you quoted for 'non UK' are actually from Asia, countries like Indian and Pakistani doctors and nurses, who are discriminated against by the EU free movement of people rules because EU citizens get preferential treatment and priority when coming here over non EU citizens. I'd much rather have a highly skilled Indian Doctor coming here than an unskilled EU citizen who may be looking for a bit of Labouring on a building site!!!! This is why we need to leave the EU and take back control of our own immigration systems, so WE decide who comes into this country and we can end this free movement of people madness.
2. Yet again remainers only seem to look at things from a monetary or financial perspective and you're 2nd point fails to take into account the negative cultural and social costs of mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU. It's not only about the NHS in monetary terms anyway, you also have the cost of schooling immigrants kids and also housing them. There is also the negative environmental aspects as more of the green belt is destroyed to build more houses, roads, railways and infrastructure for them too.
3. All reports don't actually agree that EU citizens are a net benefit to this country monetarily, some reports from independent bodies like Migrationwatch UK say they are a net drain or at best 'break even'. Even arch Remainer Vince Cable the leader of the Lib dems said just after the referendum result that it was highly questionable if EU citizens were a net benefit to this country and he thought on balance it was around the break even mark. Again this is only talking about the financial side of things and not taking into account the negative cultural, social and environmental costs of mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU.
See.....people make "wishy washy" claims and don't take time to fully check what they are preaching about from their soap boxes on here. People don't lump EU and non EU all together but that's exactly what you did in point 1 of your post when you talked about "20% of non UK" staff working in the NHS. " | |||
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"The EU is destroying my country our culture and our way of life as well as swamping us with so much people that we are building all over green belt land. The relatively small % of nurses doctors and skilled people we do get does not negate the criminals and cost of benefits and NHS care etc. Add in the Billions it costs us tax payers every year to have our democracy taken away, the same democracy millions died defending and anyone who wants to stay in the EU in my mind is a bleathering treacherous idiot. I love the nation states of Europe it's the EU I hate and the type of so called politicians that are in charge if us and who are destroying Europe. this post has been annoying me and i wasn't sure why.... and then i realised that its actually full of "untruths" and "halftruths" so i am going into full "factcheck" mode.... 1) they say a "small %" of doctors and nurses... well the about of non-uk docs and nurses is somewhere around the 20% mark...... you are more likely to be treated by a non-uk health professional than be in a hospital bed next to a non-uk person.... 2)how much do EU citizens cost the NHS..... well the answer to that should be actually "zero" because the NHS can claim back all that money from other EU countries (just like for example if you were to have an accident in spain if you were on holiday and needed treatment) 3) all reports actually agree (and not even leave groups deny) that EU citizens are a net benefit to this country monetarilly because what they end up spending, plus what they pay in taxes far than makes up for what they get in any beneifts (the only benefits they can get straight away anyway are child benefits and working tax credits.... to claim for unemployment benefit they must have been here for at least 2 years!!!!) see... people make "wishy washy" claims.... but they don't actually look into EU and non-eu groups and lump them all together!!!! A bit rich of you to call out "half truths" and "untruths" when what you just posted is also full of "half truths" and "untruths". Have you been fact checking at 4chan and buzzfeed again?
1. To say a small % of doctors and nurses come from the EU is actually correct because the bulk of that 20% you quoted for 'non UK' are actually from Asia, countries like Indian and Pakistani doctors and nurses, who are discriminated against by the EU free movement of people rules because EU citizens get preferential treatment and priority when coming here over non EU citizens. I'd much rather have a highly skilled Indian Doctor coming here than an unskilled EU citizen who may be looking for a bit of Labouring on a building site!!!! This is why we need to leave the EU and take back control of our own immigration systems, so WE decide who comes into this country and we can end this free movement of people madness.
2. Yet again remainers only seem to look at things from a monetary or financial perspective and you're 2nd point fails to take into account the negative cultural and social costs of mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU. It's not only about the NHS in monetary terms anyway, you also have the cost of schooling immigrants kids and also housing them. There is also the negative environmental aspects as more of the green belt is destroyed to build more houses, roads, railways and infrastructure for them too.
3. All reports don't actually agree that EU citizens are a net benefit to this country monetarily, some reports from independent bodies like Migrationwatch UK say they are a net drain or at best 'break even'. Even arch Remainer Vince Cable the leader of the Lib dems said just after the referendum result that it was highly questionable if EU citizens were a net benefit to this country and he thought on balance it was around the break even mark. Again this is only talking about the financial side of things and not taking into account the negative cultural, social and environmental costs of mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU.
See.....people make "wishy washy" claims and don't take time to fully check what they are preaching about from their soap boxes on here. People don't lump EU and non EU all together but that's exactly what you did in point 1 of your post when you talked about "20% of non UK" staff working in the NHS. "Homers back from his hols i see...making up bullshit as per normal.....and supported by his UKIP friends | |||
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"The EU is destroying my country our culture and our way of life as well as swamping us with so much people that we are building all over green belt land. The relatively small % of nurses doctors and skilled people we do get does not negate the criminals and cost of benefits and NHS care etc. Add in the Billions it costs us tax payers every year to have our democracy taken away, the same democracy millions died defending and anyone who wants to stay in the EU in my mind is a bleathering treacherous idiot. I love the nation states of Europe it's the EU I hate and the type of so called politicians that are in charge if us and who are destroying Europe. this post has been annoying me and i wasn't sure why.... and then i realised that its actually full of "untruths" and "halftruths" so i am going into full "factcheck" mode.... 1) they say a "small %" of doctors and nurses... well the about of non-uk docs and nurses is somewhere around the 20% mark...... you are more likely to be treated by a non-uk health professional than be in a hospital bed next to a non-uk person.... 2)how much do EU citizens cost the NHS..... well the answer to that should be actually "zero" because the NHS can claim back all that money from other EU countries (just like for example if you were to have an accident in spain if you were on holiday and needed treatment) 3) all reports actually agree (and not even leave groups deny) that EU citizens are a net benefit to this country monetarilly because what they end up spending, plus what they pay in taxes far than makes up for what they get in any beneifts (the only benefits they can get straight away anyway are child benefits and working tax credits.... to claim for unemployment benefit they must have been here for at least 2 years!!!!) see... people make "wishy washy" claims.... but they don't actually look into EU and non-eu groups and lump them all together!!!! A bit rich of you to call out "half truths" and "untruths" when what you just posted is also full of "half truths" and "untruths". Have you been fact checking at 4chan and buzzfeed again?
1. To say a small % of doctors and nurses come from the EU is actually correct because the bulk of that 20% you quoted for 'non UK' are actually from Asia, countries like Indian and Pakistani doctors and nurses, who are discriminated against by the EU free movement of people rules because EU citizens get preferential treatment and priority when coming here over non EU citizens. I'd much rather have a highly skilled Indian Doctor coming here than an unskilled EU citizen who may be looking for a bit of Labouring on a building site!!!! This is why we need to leave the EU and take back control of our own immigration systems, so WE decide who comes into this country and we can end this free movement of people madness.
2. Yet again remainers only seem to look at things from a monetary or financial perspective and you're 2nd point fails to take into account the negative cultural and social costs of mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU. It's not only about the NHS in monetary terms anyway, you also have the cost of schooling immigrants kids and also housing them. There is also the negative environmental aspects as more of the green belt is destroyed to build more houses, roads, railways and infrastructure for them too.
3. All reports don't actually agree that EU citizens are a net benefit to this country monetarily, some reports from independent bodies like Migrationwatch UK say they are a net drain or at best 'break even'. Even arch Remainer Vince Cable the leader of the Lib dems said just after the referendum result that it was highly questionable if EU citizens were a net benefit to this country and he thought on balance it was around the break even mark. Again this is only talking about the financial side of things and not taking into account the negative cultural, social and environmental costs of mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU.
See.....people make "wishy washy" claims and don't take time to fully check what they are preaching about from their soap boxes on here. People don't lump EU and non EU all together but that's exactly what you did in point 1 of your post when you talked about "20% of non UK" staff working in the NHS. "Another hit and run post from Farages fanboi! I doubt you'll be back for any follow up posts, even you are too embarrassed to defend the unmitigated disaster that is Brexit most of the time. How many Indian or Pakistani doctors did we turn away last year? What is the cap on the number of Drs we allow from non-EU countries? We don't have one! So to say that we are currently hamstrung by the EU on non-EU immigration is a complete LIE! Do you think that the massive rise in hate crimes against immigrants that started immediately after the referendum is a good way to attract foreign talent? That infrastructure that you are so frightened of, is called economic growth! It employs thousands and thousands of people, I'm sure they will love you for that! | |||
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" 1. This is why we need to leave the EU and take back control of our own immigration systems, so WE decide who comes into this country and we can end this free movement of people madness. 2. There is also the negative environmental aspects as more of the green belt is destroyed to build more houses, roads, railways and infrastructure for them too. 3. Again this is only talking about the financial side of things and not taking into account the negative cultural, social and environmental costs of mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU. " that sounds "almost" xenophobic...... and very scary... but i'll answer them 1 by 1.... " 1. This is why we need to leave the EU and take back control of our own immigration systems, so WE decide who comes into this country and we can end this free movement of people madness " see... the problem with that "freedom of movement" think that centaur and his "buddies" like to harp on about is that freedom of movement doesn't mean that people just come here!! spoiler.... freedom of movement goes both ways! so what you going to do about the approx 2 million UK citizens that are living and working in the EU, and then the 1.5 million people who have retired to lets say spain, portugal, italy and greece (as much as you may love this country....people don't tend to retire to here!!!!) i bet the answer as per everything with centaur and his cronies will be "but they need them there, god bless them!!!" but if they all come... what happens then... what you are doing is replace in general young people who come here and pay taxes into the system, and replace them with older people who whether you like it or not, do end up cost more to the NHS " 2. There is also the negative environmental aspects as more of the green belt is destroyed to build more houses, roads, railways and infrastructure for them too. " if you are blaming the fact we need new better roads and railways or a better hospitals with newer equipment because of "johnny foreigner" thats a new one even for you!!!!.... unless you are building more channel tunnels, i don't think you can lay that on them!!!! the reason why we need more social housing isn't because of EU people coming here.... its because Thatcher had the policy of "right to buy" and sold most of it off in the 80's and it was never replaced!!!! " 3. Again this is only talking about the financial side of things and not taking into account the negative cultural, social and environmental costs of mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU " negative cultural and social costs.... too many pizza shops and tapas bars out there replacing the great british boozer for you??... i'll pass on your concerns to the polish supermarket just up the road for you (they do some cracking meats you know) and heaven forbid that people from eu and the uk mix!!! imagine that staining of british blood.... it must really grate you!!!!! 
but i hope the bits above go to show people your "inner self" so to speak, because i am sure when you don't have EU people to blame for your little englander mentality, I shudder to think who you will turn on next...... | |||
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"just so people know what type of person "centaur" actually is, I found his answers to my points interesting.... so i just took the last sentence he used in each of his counterpoints.... because I think it is really, really telling...... 1. This is why we need to leave the EU and take back control of our own immigration systems, so WE decide who comes into this country and we can end this free movement of people madness. 2. There is also the negative environmental aspects as more of the green belt is destroyed to build more houses, roads, railways and infrastructure for them too. 3. Again this is only talking about the financial side of things and not taking into account the negative cultural, social and environmental costs of mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU. that sounds "almost" xenophobic...... and very scary... but i'll answer them 1 by 1.... 1. This is why we need to leave the EU and take back control of our own immigration systems, so WE decide who comes into this country and we can end this free movement of people madness see... the problem with that "freedom of movement" think that centaur and his "buddies" like to harp on about is that freedom of movement doesn't mean that people just come here!! spoiler.... freedom of movement goes both ways! so what you going to do about the approx 2 million UK citizens that are living and working in the EU, and then the 1.5 million people who have retired to lets say spain, portugal, italy and greece (as much as you may love this country....people don't tend to retire to here!!!!) i bet the answer as per everything with centaur and his cronies will be "but they need them there, god bless them!!!" but if they all come... what happens then... what you are doing is replace in general young people who come here and pay taxes into the system, and replace them with older people who whether you like it or not, do end up cost more to the NHS 2. There is also the negative environmental aspects as more of the green belt is destroyed to build more houses, roads, railways and infrastructure for them too. if you are blaming the fact we need new better roads and railways or a better hospitals with newer equipment because of "johnny foreigner" thats a new one even for you!!!!.... unless you are building more channel tunnels, i don't think you can lay that on them!!!! the reason why we need more social housing isn't because of EU people coming here.... its because Thatcher had the policy of "right to buy" and sold most of it off in the 80's and it was never replaced!!!! 3. Again this is only talking about the financial side of things and not taking into account the negative cultural, social and environmental costs of mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU negative cultural and social costs.... too many pizza shops and tapas bars out there replacing the great british boozer for you??... i'll pass on your concerns to the polish supermarket just up the road for you (they do some cracking meats you know) and heaven forbid that people from eu and the uk mix!!! imagine that staining of british blood.... it must really grate you!!!!!
but i hope the bits above go to show people your "inner self" so to speak, because i am sure when you don't have EU people to blame for your little englander mentality, I shudder to think who you will turn on next......"He’s running out of options not much more tripe he can go about it’s laughable from homer | |||
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"just so people know what type of person "centaur" actually is, I found his answers to my points interesting.... so i just took the last sentence he used in each of his counterpoints.... because I think it is really, really telling...... 1. This is why we need to leave the EU and take back control of our own immigration systems, so WE decide who comes into this country and we can end this free movement of people madness. 2. There is also the negative environmental aspects as more of the green belt is destroyed to build more houses, roads, railways and infrastructure for them too. 3. Again this is only talking about the financial side of things and not taking into account the negative cultural, social and environmental costs of mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU. that sounds "almost" xenophobic...... and very scary... but i'll answer them 1 by 1.... 1. This is why we need to leave the EU and take back control of our own immigration systems, so WE decide who comes into this country and we can end this free movement of people madness see... the problem with that "freedom of movement" think that centaur and his "buddies" like to harp on about is that freedom of movement doesn't mean that people just come here!! spoiler.... freedom of movement goes both ways! so what you going to do about the approx 2 million UK citizens that are living and working in the EU, and then the 1.5 million people who have retired to lets say spain, portugal, italy and greece (as much as you may love this country....people don't tend to retire to here!!!!) i bet the answer as per everything with centaur and his cronies will be "but they need them there, god bless them!!!" but if they all come... what happens then... what you are doing is replace in general young people who come here and pay taxes into the system, and replace them with older people who whether you like it or not, do end up cost more to the NHS 2. There is also the negative environmental aspects as more of the green belt is destroyed to build more houses, roads, railways and infrastructure for them too. if you are blaming the fact we need new better roads and railways or a better hospitals with newer equipment because of "johnny foreigner" thats a new one even for you!!!!.... unless you are building more channel tunnels, i don't think you can lay that on them!!!! the reason why we need more social housing isn't because of EU people coming here.... its because Thatcher had the policy of "right to buy" and sold most of it off in the 80's and it was never replaced!!!! 3. Again this is only talking about the financial side of things and not taking into account the negative cultural, social and environmental costs of mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU negative cultural and social costs.... too many pizza shops and tapas bars out there replacing the great british boozer for you??... i'll pass on your concerns to the polish supermarket just up the road for you (they do some cracking meats you know) and heaven forbid that people from eu and the uk mix!!! imagine that staining of british blood.... it must really grate you!!!!!
but i hope the bits above go to show people your "inner self" so to speak, because i am sure when you don't have EU people to blame for your little englander mentality, I shudder to think who you will turn on next......"Yawn, your original post was taken apart so now you've only selected small sections of my reply to post comment to. If you are going to address my post at least have the decency to fully address the whole post and not selective small sections of it! | |||
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"According to full fact, there are a total of 1.2 Million UK born people living in the EU. Plus 900,000 citizens. Not 3.5 Million. https://fullfact.org/europe/how-many-uk-citizens-live-other-eu-countries/" Actually there are quite a few "illegal" Brits in Europe. The 1.2m are those who have actually bothered to register - quite a lot don't. There are many who work here "under the radar" so don't feature in ANY official stats. | |||
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"just so people know what type of person "centaur" actually is, I found his answers to my points interesting.... so i just took the last sentence he used in each of his counterpoints.... because I think it is really, really telling...... 1. This is why we need to leave the EU and take back control of our own immigration systems, so WE decide who comes into this country and we can end this free movement of people madness. 2. There is also the negative environmental aspects as more of the green belt is destroyed to build more houses, roads, railways and infrastructure for them too. 3. Again this is only talking about the financial side of things and not taking into account the negative cultural, social and environmental costs of mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU. that sounds "almost" xenophobic...... and very scary... but i'll answer them 1 by 1.... 1. This is why we need to leave the EU and take back control of our own immigration systems, so WE decide who comes into this country and we can end this free movement of people madness see... the problem with that "freedom of movement" think that centaur and his "buddies" like to harp on about is that freedom of movement doesn't mean that people just come here!! spoiler.... freedom of movement goes both ways! so what you going to do about the approx 2 million UK citizens that are living and working in the EU, and then the 1.5 million people who have retired to lets say spain, portugal, italy and greece (as much as you may love this country....people don't tend to retire to here!!!!) i bet the answer as per everything with centaur and his cronies will be "but they need them there, god bless them!!!" but if they all come... what happens then... what you are doing is replace in general young people who come here and pay taxes into the system, and replace them with older people who whether you like it or not, do end up cost more to the NHS 2. There is also the negative environmental aspects as more of the green belt is destroyed to build more houses, roads, railways and infrastructure for them too. if you are blaming the fact we need new better roads and railways or a better hospitals with newer equipment because of "johnny foreigner" thats a new one even for you!!!!.... unless you are building more channel tunnels, i don't think you can lay that on them!!!! the reason why we need more social housing isn't because of EU people coming here.... its because Thatcher had the policy of "right to buy" and sold most of it off in the 80's and it was never replaced!!!! 3. Again this is only talking about the financial side of things and not taking into account the negative cultural, social and environmental costs of mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU negative cultural and social costs.... too many pizza shops and tapas bars out there replacing the great british boozer for you??... i'll pass on your concerns to the polish supermarket just up the road for you (they do some cracking meats you know) and heaven forbid that people from eu and the uk mix!!! imagine that staining of british blood.... it must really grate you!!!!!
but i hope the bits above go to show people your "inner self" so to speak, because i am sure when you don't have EU people to blame for your little englander mentality, I shudder to think who you will turn on next......
Yawn, your original post was taken apart so now you've only selected small sections of my reply to post comment to. If you are going to address my post at least have the decency to fully address the whole post and not selective small sections of it! "Just focusing on freedom of movement - when the eastern States joined (2004) checks and balances were introduced which the British government (all colours ) chose not to enforce. The myths around control are probably the biggest well kept lie! Freedom of movement only applies for 3 months. Over 3 months there are checks in place: 1. You have enough capital/income to support yourself - not be a burden on the host nation. 2. Comprehensive health insurance - again not being a burden on the host nation. 3. Not be a security risk. So because we needed skills - plumbers, electricians etc labour and conservative government didn't enforce the rules. Any EU foreigner sleeping rough, or any villain can be legally deported if they can't proved ALL 3 of the above. We are now deporting more EU nationals since the vote than ever before - should have been done from 2004. | |||
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" Indeed it is and apparently this normal is affecting some to such a degree they need to leave , I'm just curious what specific Eu legislation makes a person's life so difficult as I live in the same country and I cannot think of anything ? Ever-increasing population driving up house prices, immigrants undercutting wages, increasing dependence on imports. People I know who have children often say schools are overcrowded. In some areas, one hears more foreign voices than English. I think one of the understated benefits of leaving will be that we will have to try to sort our own problems out instead of blaming the EU. Having said that, I think we will still be badly-governed by exploitative politicians. I have always been in favour of Britain being outside the EU and its antecedents. I was also aware that we could end up with something worse than remaining, so we are taking a chance - it is a voyage into the unknown. The basic problem is that Brexiters have such a range of differing political views that it is inevitable that most of us will be disappointed. You may well be right but in the long run (10 years+) we may well find we made the right decision. No one knows what it will be like once we have left the EU but I for one would not be happy with a United States of Europe and the Euro. We don't know for sure what it will be like once we've left the EU but only in the same way that we don't know for sure that the sun will rise tomorrow morning or that Christmas will happen next December 25th. Cutting our trading links with our biggest, richest and closest neighbours in a forlorn hope of replacing that trade with partners poorer, smaller and further away is he only going to have one possible outcome, and it's not £350 million extra a week for the NHS. Don't be silly of course the sun will rise tomorrow unless the plant earth no longer exists, I admit we may have a hard time for a few years but I for one think it will be worth it in the long run. " You think it'll be fine in the long run? So blind faith is the basis for your support for Brexit? | |||
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"Fuel at the pump is still a lot lower than it was before any of this brexit situation. As a lot of other things are still cheaper than before even with all of the scare mongering. thats not true i am afraid..... before the referendum the price of petrol was hovering around the £1.02 per gallon range...... now the average price is £1.16 per gallon mark..... also because most commodities are priced in US dollars...... most things would have gone because of the lower value of the pound against the dollar...... You're quoting Jan 16 figures (look up RAC website on fuel prices). Between Jan 16 and June 23 16 it went from £1.02 to £1.12 a litre...an increase of 9% in less than 6 months. According to the RAC diesel was £1.12 a litre immediately before the referendum. I paid £1.16 yesterday. An increase of 3.5% in 16 months. NOT the 19% that Remainers predicted. Crude oil was $46 a barrel before the referendum, $52 now. An increase of 13%. All prices fluctuate for all sorts of reasons. However, it is priced in dollars. How has that changed since the Brexit vote? Consequently, how much cheaper would it be if that had not happened? The same with aviation fuel and imported gas. Arguing a point to "win" regardless of the available information is futile. You were on firmer ground with you, personally, seeing increased investment in improving production. However, I note that you have not commented on the fact that replacing "foreigners" jobs with machines doesn't help create jobs for "natives". You also haven't said what proportion of this equipment came from the UK, the EU and the rest of the world.
About 20% EU, 60% UK, 20% USA.
One company in UK that we deal with has seen their sales within the UK increase by 30%, and their exports increase by 22%.
As regards labour, and productivity, automation is their to replace labour, thus improving productivity. It's not about creating jobs for natives - what they found wad, instead of employing cheap labour, that was leaving, it makes more economic sense to automate in this areas where there is no longer a readily available labour pool.Or do you not understand that simple concept?
I'm guessing you don't know what proportion of the sub-assemblies or components or components come from various places or if the products are actually bought in and resold. No reason you should, just think about the next step in the chain.
I do understand the simple concept of productivity. Mwah.
Do you understand its consequences?
So is the French what we want to move to? Very high efficiency compared to the UK but also higher unemployment. Is this the dream of Brexit? Is this what was voted for?
It does rather simply that nobody was having their jobs "taken" doesn't it?
I can see why it all seems good to you if you don't "believe" the prices have risen or a weaker currency has negative consequences to most individuals...
You really should go back to your village....you're sorely missed.
Good response. You dealt with all of those points really well.
You grasped the perspective beyond your own interests and applied that to the wider question as to why people may have voted for Brexit and what they hoped for as a consequence.
You also acknowledged the few objective facts linked directly to the referendum result.
The question, to be fair, was about how people have been directly effected by Brexit so it's also pretty amazing to learn that some inhabit a parallel reality where prices haven't risen.
How do the rest of us get in? "Go on, tell us again how nothing has become more expensive at all. Under any circumstances. Especially not food or transportation: "Inflation surged to its highest level for more than five years last month, increasing the financial pressure on households and boosting the prospect of an interest rate hike. Figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) showed the Consumer Price Index (CPI) measure of inflation reached 3% in September, rising in line with expectations from 2.9% in August. The step-up in CPI was driven by higher food and transport costs, pushing the headline rate to levels not seen since April 2012." | |||
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" Go on, tell us again how nothing has become more expensive at all. Under any circumstances. Especially not food or transportation: "Inflation surged to its highest level for more than five years last month, increasing the financial pressure on households and boosting the prospect of an interest rate hike. Figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) showed the Consumer Price Index (CPI) measure of inflation reached 3% in September, rising in line with expectations from 2.9% in August. The step-up in CPI was driven by higher food and transport costs, pushing the headline rate to levels not seen since April 2012."" ...and don't forget to tell me that I'm just being a negative remoaner | |||
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" Go on, tell us again how nothing has become more expensive at all. Under any circumstances. Especially not food or transportation: "Inflation surged to its highest level for more than five years last month, increasing the financial pressure on households and boosting the prospect of an interest rate hike. Figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) showed the Consumer Price Index (CPI) measure of inflation reached 3% in September, rising in line with expectations from 2.9% in August. The step-up in CPI was driven by higher food and transport costs, pushing the headline rate to levels not seen since April 2012." ...and don't forget to tell me that I'm just being a negative remoaner "You did forget to say that the UK economy is still in positive growth territory (where is the recession that project fear predicted?). You also forgot to say that employment is at record high levels and unemployment is at an historic low. | |||
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" Figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) showed the Consumer Price Index (CPI) measure of inflation reached 3% in September, rising in line with expectations from 2.9% in August. The step-up in CPI was driven by higher food and transport costs, pushing the headline rate to levels not seen since April 2012."" Dairy products are a key driver of food inflation... Milk and butter prices plummeted through 2015 due to Russia's embargo on EU dairy imports (about 25% of EU production). The EU then encouraged dairy farmers across the EU to reduce output by paying them not to produce. Since then the EU butter stocks have been decimated. Then at the back end of 2016 experts started telling us that butter is much healthier than alternatives.... So more people have started eating butter. So, the EU has paid farmers not to produce, has overseen a massive decrease in dairy stocks, in particular butter, demand has increased, wholesale prices have doubled, and this has helped to fuel inflation across the EU. The fall in the pound has not helped, but neither has the EU's policy. | |||
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