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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge

The European Parliament has voted overwhelmingly to support a non-binding motion not to move on the Brexit negotiations on to trade, and criticising the slow progress and lack of clarity from the UK on our position.

Many brexiters on this forum have said that certain countries control the EU, and that they would dominate negotiations and call for special protections for their industries. The one most frequently mentioned in the German auto industry.

Has this vote truly blown those assertions out of the water? Although this vote is non-binding, the European Parliament do have a binding vote on the final deal at the end of the negotiations , and so their views cannot be dismissed out of hand.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The European Parliament has voted overwhelmingly to support a non-binding motion not to move on the Brexit negotiations on to trade, and criticising the slow progress and lack of clarity from the UK on our position.

I do indeed....i highlighted what was said at the Frankfurt motor show a couple of weeks back....some then dismissed that out of hand as well

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

It's not unsurprising, as the other 27 countries have nothing to lose in taking this action.

Only the threat of the UK getting up and walking away, will have any impact on that strategy.

Many other countries in the EU have problems of their own. Perhaps Brexit isn't as important to them as it is to us.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

I find the whole situation farcical.

Since before the referendum the EU position has been constant.

1. The EU would rather we stay in the club than leave, but it is our choice.

2. No country outside the club can have a better deal than those in the club.

3. That a post brexit financial settlement as well as political and economic issues regarding EU citizens in the UK and UK citizens in the EU must be settled or well on their to being settled before there can be any trade negotiations can start.

4. That the 2 year leaving period is just that and that the EU will require the last 6 months of that period to formalise whatever EU legislation is required as a result of the EU brexit agreement.

5. Since we voted to leave the EU want us to get on with leaving and go.

Our reply to this has been. We wont pay! We wont guarantee EU citizens rights! And to continually keep talking about a post brexit trade deal and how we will require a 2 year implementation period from 2019 to 2021 because British business needs the stability. And every time the EU say there is no progress and they are still waiting for Britian to make concrete proposals on the major issues our government say they are wrong and harp on some more about post brexit trade.

I am now beginning to think our government is suffering from a mass hallucination. The only explanation I can come up with for how they are acting is they are all on a drugs trip. My god, the Tories are having a party here in Manchester where they are saying things like the there must be a hard 2 year time limit on the transition period. Of course we now have the added insanity of David Davis saying he will retire and leave brexit transition to Boris Johnson just weeks after the most senior civil servant on the brexit team refused to have anything more to do with this whole farce! But don't worry Micheal Gove has the answer, from 2019 we will be able to sell pigs ears without tag holes in them to China. Of course if there are no tag holes then the animal will not have been tagged so we can assume that part of the government plan is to do away with meat tracing system that was brought in because of mad cow disease and new variant CJD it caused in humans.

What madness! At some point someone will have to deal with the reality of the situation and I see precious little chance of that happening until the EU show us the door on the 29th of March 2019!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's not unsurprising, as the other 27 countries have nothing to lose in taking this action.

Only the threat of the UK getting up and walking away, will have any impact on that strategy.

Many other countries in the EU have problems of their own. Perhaps Brexit isn't as important to them as it is to us."

So there ALL wrong and WE are right is what your saying ?

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"It's not unsurprising, as the other 27 countries have nothing to lose in taking this action.

Only the threat of the UK getting up and walking away, will have any impact on that strategy.

Many other countries in the EU have problems of their own. Perhaps Brexit isn't as important to them as it is to us.

So there ALL wrong and WE are right is what your saying ?

Is that what I've said, or are you fishing?

I've said that the other EU member states can play the long ball game. They gain nothing by moving the process along. They can use the imposed time constraints as leverage.

Merkel has got to spend months trying to form a workable Government, Macron is having union trouble, Spain has the Catalan issue, Poland has various issues with the EU, Hungary and Bulgaria have issues with imposed migration, Italy has mass uncontrolled migration, Eire has issues over tax......maybe Brexit is not their overiding concern at the moment!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's not unsurprising, as the other 27 countries have nothing to lose in taking this action.

Only the threat of the UK getting up and walking away, will have any impact on that strategy.

Many other countries in the EU have problems of their own. Perhaps Brexit isn't as important to them as it is to us.

So there ALL wrong and WE are right is what your saying ?

Is that what I've said, or are you fishing?

I've said that the other EU member states can play the long ball game. They gain nothing by moving the process along. They can use the imposed time constraints as leverage.

Well id say you have just given a brexiters view on it....and quite frankly a rubbish one....

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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"It's not unsurprising, as the other 27 countries have nothing to lose in taking this action.

Only the threat of the UK getting up and walking away, will have any impact on that strategy.

Many other countries in the EU have problems of their own. Perhaps Brexit isn't as important to them as it is to us.

So there ALL wrong and WE are right is what your saying ?

Is that what I've said, or are you fishing?

I've said that the other EU member states can play the long ball game. They gain nothing by moving the process along. They can use the imposed time constraints as leverage.

So the EU are not desperate to sort out a trade deal then?

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"It's not unsurprising, as the other 27 countries have nothing to lose in taking this action.

Only the threat of the UK getting up and walking away, will have any impact on that strategy.

Many other countries in the EU have problems of their own. Perhaps Brexit isn't as important to them as it is to us.

So there ALL wrong and WE are right is what your saying ?

Is that what I've said, or are you fishing?

I've said that the other EU member states can play the long ball game. They gain nothing by moving the process along. They can use the imposed time constraints as leverage.

So the EU are not desperate to sort out a trade deal then? "

I'm sure that some member states want to see progress on that, others less so, but they are negotiating en bloc, so due process will take place.

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin

"It's not unsurprising, as the other 27 countries have nothing to lose in taking this action.

Only the threat of the UK getting up and walking away, will have any impact on that strategy.

Many other countries in the EU have problems of their own. Perhaps Brexit isn't as important to them as it is to us.

So there ALL wrong and WE are right is what your saying ?

Is that what I've said, or are you fishing?

I've said that the other EU member states can play the long ball game. They gain nothing by moving the process along. They can use the imposed time constraints as leverage.

Tax issues in Ireland? We've a budget being drawn up if thats what youre talking about but countries have those every year.

Theres no issue with the 27 being distracted or whatever. The simple fact is that everyone who's followed the negotiations can easily state the EUs goals because they were published before negotiations started, they were clear and detailed and they havent changed. The Torys are still fighting among themselves on what they should be doing.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"It's not unsurprising, as the other 27 countries have nothing to lose in taking this action.

Only the threat of the UK getting up and walking away, will have any impact on that strategy.

Many other countries in the EU have problems of their own. Perhaps Brexit isn't as important to them as it is to us.

So there ALL wrong and WE are right is what your saying ?

Is that what I've said, or are you fishing?

I've said that the other EU member states can play the long ball game. They gain nothing by moving the process along. They can use the imposed time constraints as leverage.

Tax issues in Ireland? We've a budget being drawn up if thats what youre talking about but countries have those every year.

As in the action Brussels is about to take against Ireland for not collecting E15 billion in back tax from Apple.

The EU have stated their position very clearly but a position isn't a negotiation.

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin

"It's not unsurprising, as the other 27 countries have nothing to lose in taking this action.

Only the threat of the UK getting up and walking away, will have any impact on that strategy.

Many other countries in the EU have problems of their own. Perhaps Brexit isn't as important to them as it is to us.

So there ALL wrong and WE are right is what your saying ?

Is that what I've said, or are you fishing?

I've said that the other EU member states can play the long ball game. They gain nothing by moving the process along. They can use the imposed time constraints as leverage.

Tax issues in Ireland? We've a budget being drawn up if thats what youre talking about but countries have those every year.

As in the action Brussels is about to take against Ireland for not collecting E15 billion in back tax from Apple.

The EU have stated their position very clearly but a position isn't a negotiation. "

That case is hardly taking up any of our governments resources and time. Its with the lawyers.

A position might not be a negotiation but you cant negotiate without one.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"It's not unsurprising, as the other 27 countries have nothing to lose in taking this action.

Only the threat of the UK getting up and walking away, will have any impact on that strategy.

Many other countries in the EU have problems of their own. Perhaps Brexit isn't as important to them as it is to us.

So there ALL wrong and WE are right is what your saying ?

Is that what I've said, or are you fishing?

I've said that the other EU member states can play the long ball game. They gain nothing by moving the process along. They can use the imposed time constraints as leverage.

Tax issues in Ireland? We've a budget being drawn up if thats what youre talking about but countries have those every year.

As in the action Brussels is about to take against Ireland for not collecting E15 billion in back tax from Apple.

The EU have stated their position very clearly but a position isn't a negotiation.

That case is hardly taking up any of our governments resources and time. Its with the lawyers.

A position might not be a negotiation but you cant negotiate without one."

So I take it you haven't asked Apple for the E15 billion in back tax, and placed it into a neutral account pending appeal, as required by EU law?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's not unsurprising, as the other 27 countries have nothing to lose in taking this action.

Only the threat of the UK getting up and walking away, will have any impact on that strategy.

Many other countries in the EU have problems of their own. Perhaps Brexit isn't as important to them as it is to us.

So there ALL wrong and WE are right is what your saying ?

Is that what I've said, or are you fishing?

I've said that the other EU member states can play the long ball game. They gain nothing by moving the process along. They can use the imposed time constraints as leverage.

Tax issues in Ireland? We've a budget being drawn up if thats what youre talking about but countries have those every year.

As in the action Brussels is about to take against Ireland for not collecting E15 billion in back tax from Apple.

The EU have stated their position very clearly but a position isn't a negotiation.

That case is hardly taking up any of our governments resources and time. Its with the lawyers.

A position might not be a negotiation but you cant negotiate without one.

So I take it you haven't asked Apple for the E15 billion in back tax, and placed it into a neutral account pending appeal, as required by EU law?"

I doubt if he has personally...or even knows that...but what the hell has this got to do with brexit ???