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"We have had enough of the lefty righty politics of 'new labour' helping move politics so far to the right that Ted Heath's and McMillan's one country conservatism is now seen by many as communist dogma. What we need is a truly socialist labour party and economic package. JC is a move in the right direction but I do not think he will go far enough. " I did once suggest that most of the current Labour Party are a bit to the right of Ted Heath. | |||
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"Sort of like a Nationalist/Socialist party, you mean? "No I don't ! And you know it ! | |||
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"We have had enough of the lefty righty politics of 'new labour' helping move politics so far to the right that Ted Heath's and McMillan's one country conservatism is now seen by many as communist dogma. What we need is a truly socialist labour party and economic package. JC is a move in the right direction but I do not think he will go far enough. " Pity ! I'd have you in my Goverment with Bob and Centaur | |||
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"I did once suggest that most of the current Labour Party are a bit to the right of Ted Heath. " A bit... that is a bit of an understatement! In fact it's like saying Attila the Hun was politically a little right of centre or that Hitler and Stalin had a slight disagreement over territory between 1941 and 1945... | |||
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"I did once suggest that most of the current Labour Party are a bit to the right of Ted Heath. A bit... that is a bit of an understatement! In fact it's like saying Attila the Hun was politically a little right of centre or that Hitler and Stalin had a slight disagreement over territory between 1941 and 1945..." It's funny because people can't see it, they don't realise how much Thatcher changed the Tory party. | |||
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"We have had enough of the lefty righty politics of 'new labour' helping move politics so far to the right that Ted Heath's and McMillan's one country conservatism is now seen by many as communist dogma. What we need is a truly socialist labour party and economic package. JC is a move in the right direction but I do not think he will go far enough. " You want to live in poverty then | |||
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"Is it our time ? A party based on issues not Dogma ! Not afraid to disagree on issues but united in finding solutions ! " I am in sounds my sort of party but most people to stupid to follow such a good idea ,but worth a try | |||
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"We have had enough of the lefty righty politics of 'new labour' helping move politics so far to the right that Ted Heath's and McMillan's one country conservatism is now seen by many as communist dogma. What we need is a truly socialist labour party and economic package. JC is a move in the right direction but I do not think he will go far enough. I did once suggest that most of the current Labour Party are a bit to the right of Ted Heath. " Which policies? | |||
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"You want to live in poverty then" Would that be the poverty where there was decent housing available for all? Would that be the poverty where the average 3 bed semi cost between 2 and 3 times the average national wage? Would that be the poverty where if you needed to see a doctor you could get an appointment the same day and your GP did house-calls to those not well enough to get to the surgery? Would that be the poverty where hospitals did not have to turn patients away because they always had spare capacity for emergencies? Was that the poverty where there was free dental and eye care for all on the NHS? Would that be the poverty where anyone entering further or higher education had their fees paid for them and the OU was free for all? Was that the poverty where students from all but the richest backgrounds got maintenance grants so they could concentrate on studying? Was that the poverty where the gap between those on average pay and top earners was less than x10? And what is your definition of wealth? Remember as time goes on we all accumulate more stuff so it can't be that. Nor can it be the ability to buy your own home as the average 3 bed semi now costs near 10 times the average annual wage. Maybe you define it as the cost of an average family car. Before Thatcher it cost about 6 months of an average annual wage, now it is about 9 and a bit months. So not that then... Could it be that you believe that because the gap between the average wage and top wages has grown to something like x627 while tax for top earners has been cut in more than half you think things are better. Wake up and smell the shit your spouting! | |||
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"You want to live in poverty then Would that be the poverty where there was decent housing available for all? Would that be the poverty where the average 3 bed semi cost between 2 and 3 times the average national wage? Would that be the poverty where if you needed to see a doctor you could get an appointment the same day and your GP did house-calls to those not well enough to get to the surgery? Would that be the poverty where hospitals did not have to turn patients away because they always had spare capacity for emergencies? Was that the poverty where there was free dental and eye care for all on the NHS? Would that be the poverty where anyone entering further or higher education had their fees paid for them and the OU was free for all? Was that the poverty where students from all but the richest backgrounds got maintenance grants so they could concentrate on studying? Was that the poverty where the gap between those on average pay and top earners was less than x10? And what is your definition of wealth? Remember as time goes on we all accumulate more stuff so it can't be that. Nor can it be the ability to buy your own home as the average 3 bed semi now costs near 10 times the average annual wage. Maybe you define it as the cost of an average family car. Before Thatcher it cost about 6 months of an average annual wage, now it is about 9 and a bit months. So not that then... Could it be that you believe that because the gap between the average wage and top wages has grown to something like x627 while tax for top earners has been cut in more than half you think things are better. Wake up and smell the shit your spouting!" Ah the 50's Bless. It all started to go down hill from around 1963 and was well bolloxed by 1979.  | |||
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"You want to live in poverty then Would that be the poverty where there was decent housing available for all? Would that be the poverty where the average 3 bed semi cost between 2 and 3 times the average national wage? Would that be the poverty where if you needed to see a doctor you could get an appointment the same day and your GP did house-calls to those not well enough to get to the surgery? Would that be the poverty where hospitals did not have to turn patients away because they always had spare capacity for emergencies? Was that the poverty where there was free dental and eye care for all on the NHS? Would that be the poverty where anyone entering further or higher education had their fees paid for them and the OU was free for all? Was that the poverty where students from all but the richest backgrounds got maintenance grants so they could concentrate on studying? Was that the poverty where the gap between those on average pay and top earners was less than x10? And what is your definition of wealth? Remember as time goes on we all accumulate more stuff so it can't be that. Nor can it be the ability to buy your own home as the average 3 bed semi now costs near 10 times the average annual wage. Maybe you define it as the cost of an average family car. Before Thatcher it cost about 6 months of an average annual wage, now it is about 9 and a bit months. So not that then... Could it be that you believe that because the gap between the average wage and top wages has grown to something like x627 while tax for top earners has been cut in more than half you think things are better. Wake up and smell the shit your spouting!" Well in the 52 years between the end of the warand 1997 labour had 17 years in government so the majority of those good years were under conservative and our problems now stem mainly from a labour government who spent thirteen years spending money it did not have with a devil may care attitude. The main problem with labour is in opposition they have some amazing ideas but get into power and it very quickly becomes sod the working class weve got the foremans job at last | |||
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"Ah the 50's Bless. It all started to go down hill from around 1963 and was well bolloxed by 1979. "And your post proves my point! The proud tory living in a socialist Germany telling Brits living in the UK how socialism is bad for Britain! When yo move you and your family back here I'll start listening to you, until then your nothing but another tax dodging ex pat looking to make a quick buck on your UK citizenship without paying your way. So with the greatest of respect keep your grubby nose out of UK internal politics unless you are willing to return to this country and live with the consequences of the policies you so vermintly support. Of course we all know you will not be doing that so STFU! | |||
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