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"Back door into the UK according to Farage. Is there a simple answer?" Annex Eire, no more land border with the EU, jobs a goodun' cheap Guinness. | |||
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"Ironically just been watching Sky News Press Preview about this very subject and the "guest" contributor actually said... "No one expected Brexit to be this complicated.".. " Really?  | |||
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"Ironically just been watching Sky News Press Preview about this very subject and the "guest" contributor actually said... "No one expected Brexit to be this complicated.".. " Was he/she on the Brexit negotiating team or did they interview Centaur  | |||
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"Ironically just been watching Sky News Press Preview about this very subject and the "guest" contributor actually said... "No one expected Brexit to be this complicated.".. Was he/she on the Brexit negotiating team or did they interview Centaur "Well those of us who have been on the politics forum a while will remember many posters thought all we needed to do was take the Canada deal, use "find and replace" in Microsoft Word, swapping Canada for UK, and that would be Brexit done in an afternoon. Many on here were saying it would be substantially less than 2 years to leave the EU, yet now they are saying how wonderful it is that the government is suggesting staying in the customs union after we have left the EU! | |||
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"Ironically just been watching Sky News Press Preview about this very subject and the "guest" contributor actually said... "No one expected Brexit to be this complicated.".. Was he/she on the Brexit negotiating team or did they interview Centaur
Well those of us who have been on the politics forum a while will remember many posters thought all we needed to do was take the Canada deal, use "find and replace" in Microsoft Word, swapping Canada for UK, and that would be Brexit done in an afternoon. Many on here were saying it would be substantially less than 2 years to leave the EU, yet now they are saying how wonderful it is that the government is suggesting staying in the customs union after we have left the EU! "But not just any "Customs Union" - a special "Customs Union" that is like the "Customs Union" that we all know but different because it was dreamed up by Davis, May and Fox and so has no European pollutant content - other than it being a "Customs Union" | |||
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"Back door into the UK according to Farage. Is there a simple answer?" The simple answer is to stop reporting anything this misinformed moron says. | |||
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"Ironically just been watching Sky News Press Preview about this very subject and the "guest" contributor actually said... "No one expected Brexit to be this complicated.".. " She is on again now. | |||
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"Ironically just been watching Sky News Press Preview about this very subject and the "guest" contributor actually said... "No one expected Brexit to be this complicated.".. Was he/she on the Brexit negotiating team or did they interview Centaur
Well those of us who have been on the politics forum a while will remember many posters thought all we needed to do was take the Canada deal, use "find and replace" in Microsoft Word, swapping Canada for UK, and that would be Brexit done in an afternoon. Many on here were saying it would be substantially less than 2 years to leave the EU, yet now they are saying how wonderful it is that the government is suggesting staying in the customs union after we have left the EU!
But not just any "Customs Union" - a special "Customs Union" that is like the "Customs Union" that we all know but different because it was dreamed up by Davis, May and Fox and so has no European pollutant content - other than it being a "Customs Union""Only staying in the customs union for a time limited transition (of no more than 2 to 3 years) wasn't dreamed up by Davis, May and Fox was it. It was dreamed up by negative, pessimistic remoaners like chancellor Hammond. | |||
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"Ironically just been watching Sky News Press Preview about this very subject and the "guest" contributor actually said... "No one expected Brexit to be this complicated.".. Was he/she on the Brexit negotiating team or did they interview Centaur
Well those of us who have been on the politics forum a while will remember many posters thought all we needed to do was take the Canada deal, use "find and replace" in Microsoft Word, swapping Canada for UK, and that would be Brexit done in an afternoon. Many on here were saying it would be substantially less than 2 years to leave the EU, yet now they are saying how wonderful it is that the government is suggesting staying in the customs union after we have left the EU!
But not just any "Customs Union" - a special "Customs Union" that is like the "Customs Union" that we all know but different because it was dreamed up by Davis, May and Fox and so has no European pollutant content - other than it being a "Customs Union"
Only staying in the customs union for a time limited transition (of no more than 2 to 3 years) wasn't dreamed up by Davis, May and Fox was it. It was dreamed up by negative, pessimistic remoaners like chancellor Hammond. "You mean the Chancellor of the exchequer...the guy that was running the country while Mrs May was on her walkies  | |||
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"Easist solution is no border between Northern Ireland and the Republic and instead have the border between N Ireland and the rest of the UK but the DUP wont have that and the Tories are stuck with them." We will end up with a land border again a hard border with customs checks the lot , again | |||
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"Ironically just been watching Sky News Press Preview about this very subject and the "guest" contributor actually said... "No one expected Brexit to be this complicated.".. Was he/she on the Brexit negotiating team or did they interview Centaur
Well those of us who have been on the politics forum a while will remember many posters thought all we needed to do was take the Canada deal, use "find and replace" in Microsoft Word, swapping Canada for UK, and that would be Brexit done in an afternoon. Many on here were saying it would be substantially less than 2 years to leave the EU, yet now they are saying how wonderful it is that the government is suggesting staying in the customs union after we have left the EU!
But not just any "Customs Union" - a special "Customs Union" that is like the "Customs Union" that we all know but different because it was dreamed up by Davis, May and Fox and so has no European pollutant content - other than it being a "Customs Union"
Only staying in the customs union for a time limited transition (of no more than 2 to 3 years) wasn't dreamed up by Davis, May and Fox was it. It was dreamed up by negative, pessimistic remoaners like chancellor Hammond.
You mean the Chancellor of the exchequer...the guy that was running the country while Mrs May was on her walkies "Unusually during this year, no one was delegated to "look after the shop," whilst Mrs May and her husband took their usual hiking holiday. Mrs May was still taking Prime Ministerial control, and interrupted her holiday to take part in WW1 commemorations in Belgium. | |||
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"There is a hard border with customs checks between Spain and Gibraltar. Gibraltar isn't in the Customs union or part of the Schengen Zone Other than when crossing is deliberately slowed down for political reasons and given there is only one crossing point - It works pretty well There is a live frontier webcam on Google - go check it out at 'Gibraltar Frontier live stream' Gibraltar's economy benefits from being outside the customs union, Spainish border towns also benefit from differences in taxation and differences in the exchange rate etc A hard border doesn't have to be a problem unless politicians make it so " Irish people don't want a return to border controls. | |||
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"Ironically just been watching Sky News Press Preview about this very subject and the "guest" contributor actually said... "No one expected Brexit to be this complicated.".. Was he/she on the Brexit negotiating team or did they interview Centaur
Well those of us who have been on the politics forum a while will remember many posters thought all we needed to do was take the Canada deal, use "find and replace" in Microsoft Word, swapping Canada for UK, and that would be Brexit done in an afternoon. Many on here were saying it would be substantially less than 2 years to leave the EU, yet now they are saying how wonderful it is that the government is suggesting staying in the customs union after we have left the EU!
But not just any "Customs Union" - a special "Customs Union" that is like the "Customs Union" that we all know but different because it was dreamed up by Davis, May and Fox and so has no European pollutant content - other than it being a "Customs Union"
Only staying in the customs union for a time limited transition (of no more than 2 to 3 years) wasn't dreamed up by Davis, May and Fox was it. It was dreamed up by negative, pessimistic remoaners like chancellor Hammond. "You mean realists who understand that there are no simple solutions to complex problems? | |||
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"Erm, two solutions, both quite challenging politically - Stay in the Customs Union - Have a custom checks between NI and the rest of the UK. From the EU's perspective, I doubt they'd want a backdoor into the EU either. " There is a third alternative, even more politically challenging but I think we'll hear it being discussed more as BREXIT looms. That is that Eire leaves the EU and forms a customs union with the UK. It's not an option I would personality support but, as Eire's largest trading partner there is definitely an economic argument for it. | |||
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"Easist solution is no border between Northern Ireland and the Republic and instead have the border between N Ireland and the rest of the UK but the DUP wont have that and the Tories are stuck with them." I think it would not be just the DUP or the Tories that would not be happy with a customs or immigration border between different parts of the UK. | |||
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"There is a hard border with customs checks between Spain and Gibraltar. Gibraltar isn't in the Customs union or part of the Schengen Zone Other than when crossing is deliberately slowed down for political reasons and given there is only one crossing point - It works pretty well There is a live frontier webcam on Google - go check it out at 'Gibraltar Frontier live stream' Gibraltar's economy benefits from being outside the customs union, Spainish border towns also benefit from differences in taxation and differences in the exchange rate etc A hard border doesn't have to be a problem unless politicians make it so " Problem is though how many people per day move from Gibraltar to Spain for work, and how many goods and services move across in tonnage. Compare that with produce coming into the UK via Ireland and their own produce, plus ours going the other way. | |||
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"Erm, two solutions, both quite challenging politically - Stay in the Customs Union - Have a custom checks between NI and the rest of the UK. From the EU's perspective, I doubt they'd want a backdoor into the EU either. There is a third alternative, even more politically challenging but I think we'll hear it being discussed more as BREXIT looms. That is that Eire leaves the EU and forms a customs union with the UK. It's not an option I would personality support but, as Eire's largest trading partner there is definitely an economic argument for it." Absolutely wont happen. No one in Ireland is looking to leave the EU. None of the major political parties even float the idea because their not lunatics and the people arent looking to leave, especially after witnessing the stupidity of Brexit. We're not following you over this cliff, Brexit was a vote to go it alone and alone it'll be. | |||
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"Erm, two solutions, both quite challenging politically - Stay in the Customs Union - Have a custom checks between NI and the rest of the UK. From the EU's perspective, I doubt they'd want a backdoor into the EU either. There is a third alternative, even more politically challenging but I think we'll hear it being discussed more as BREXIT looms. That is that Eire leaves the EU and forms a customs union with the UK. It's not an option I would personality support but, as Eire's largest trading partner there is definitely an economic argument for it. Absolutely wont happen. No one in Ireland is looking to leave the EU. None of the major political parties even float the idea because their not lunatics and the people arent looking to leave, especially after witnessing the stupidity of Brexit. We're not following you over this cliff, Brexit was a vote to go it alone and alone it'll be." I think you're right but there is a good economic argument in favour of such which is already starting to be made. It also solves the hard border and Common Travel area problems to. | |||
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"Erm, two solutions, both quite challenging politically - Stay in the Customs Union - Have a custom checks between NI and the rest of the UK. From the EU's perspective, I doubt they'd want a backdoor into the EU either. There is a third alternative, even more politically challenging but I think we'll hear it being discussed more as BREXIT looms. That is that Eire leaves the EU and forms a customs union with the UK. It's not an option I would personality support but, as Eire's largest trading partner there is definitely an economic argument for it. Absolutely wont happen. No one in Ireland is looking to leave the EU. None of the major political parties even float the idea because their not lunatics and the people arent looking to leave, especially after witnessing the stupidity of Brexit. We're not following you over this cliff, Brexit was a vote to go it alone and alone it'll be. I think you're right but there is a good economic argument in favour of such which is already starting to be made. It also solves the hard border and Common Travel area problems to." That argument isn't been made in Ireland so it's irrelevant. | |||
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"Back door into the UK according to Farage. Is there a simple answer? Annex Eire, no more land border with the EU, jobs a goodun' cheap Guinness. " Be careful
I know your joking but any remnants of the UDA etc will probbally be thinking exactly that ! | |||
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"There is a hard border with customs checks between Spain and Gibraltar. Gibraltar isn't in the Customs union or part of the Schengen Zone Other than when crossing is deliberately slowed down for political reasons and given there is only one crossing point - It works pretty well There is a live frontier webcam on Google - go check it out at 'Gibraltar Frontier live stream' Gibraltar's economy benefits from being outside the customs union, Spainish border towns also benefit from differences in taxation and differences in the exchange rate etc A hard border doesn't have to be a problem unless politicians make it so " Comparing Spain/Gib to NI/ROI is ridiculous in the extreme. The border between NI and RoI is 310 miles long and the amount of movement and trade between the two is rather different wouldnt you agree? | |||
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"A hard border will bring the men with the wolly hats back "I bet they are planning already a hard border Will be brilliant if your into smuggling  there is a fortune to be made | |||
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"A return of the hard border between NI and the republic... That's a bad time just waiting to happen." It is my opinion that An exit that will pacify the average exit supporter , will need to have a hard border An exit that allows no border will not sever enough bonds to pacify and would have been an exercise in pure futility I'm a passionate in advocate but if the UK leaves I want the hardest exit just for curiosity most people who will suffer most voted for it so I don't really care how much they suffer | |||
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"Back door into the UK according to Farage. Is there a simple answer?" Yes - stop paying attention to that grubby specimen | |||
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"Think it will be all down to any "tariff free zones" which the UK gets post Brexit. If Eire can see a financial advantage in sticking with the UK, which is where most of it's trade goes to, as opposed to the rest of the EU. Then a way will be found (a fudge, in other words) to allow UK goods to pass thro Eire to the EU and vice versa. Which is something the Irish are really good at." To create a "tariff free zone" just for the UK, the EU would have to create it for every country in the world, under WTO "Most Favoured Nation" rules. Some people like to blame the EU for everything, and then blind themselves to larger international agreements such as WTO rules. So for your plan to work the EU would either have to drop tariffs unilaterally with all other countries (not going to happen) or pull out of the WTO (NOT going to happen) and so would the UK (not going to happen). | |||
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