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If you had to or you could which world leader would you like instead of Theresa May and why ?
And likewise which one would you least like and why ? ( maybe I shud exclude trump as the thread would fill to quickly , lol ) but I won't
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"Angela Merkel... That woman is amazing. She has managed to rebuild East Germany without bankrupting the West German economy and bankroll the Euro when the US speculators attempted to destroy the currency shortly after its launch. Then she successfully managed the Financial crisis and again was able to do most of the EU's financial heavy lifting without crippling the German economy. And she has a heart." and your worst choice ? let me guess lol begins with a T | |||
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"Angela Merkel... That woman is amazing. She has managed to rebuild East Germany without bankrupting the West German economy and bankroll the Euro when the US speculators attempted to destroy the currency shortly after its launch. Then she successfully managed the Financial crisis and again was able to do most of the EU's financial heavy lifting without crippling the German economy. And she has a heart." I agree. I may not agree with her on everything, but I respect her. Her demenor is great, too, along with her track record. My least favorite would actually not be Trump. I'm having a hard time choosing, but there are far worse rulers than Trump in the middle east and elsewhere. | |||
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"Agree on Merkel being the best around. Trump is definitely amongst the most incompetent. But there seems to be some more dangerous than him. Like Maduro from Venezuela, for example." You, like many I'm afraid, continue to underestimate little donnie. At present he is being held in check by the US constitution, separation of powers and particularly the US judiciary. However he is at present working to dismantle those restrictions on his power. If he succeeds everyone in the USA will quickly discover that the man is a monster every bit as bad as Pol Pot, Stalin or Hitler. | |||
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"Agree on Merkel being the best around. Trump is definitely amongst the most incompetent. But there seems to be some more dangerous than him. Like Maduro from Venezuela, for example. You, like many I'm afraid, continue to underestimate little donnie. At present he is being held in check by the US constitution, separation of powers and particularly the US judiciary. However he is at present working to dismantle those restrictions on his power. If he succeeds everyone in the USA will quickly discover that the man is a monster every bit as bad as Pol Pot, Stalin or Hitler." Respect !!! I've always thought Stallin gets off Cheap ! Very little to choose between him and Hitler in my book , especially as he probbsllyfid things we'll never know about ! | |||
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If you had to or you could which world leader would you like instead of Theresa May and why ?
And likewise which one would you least like and why ? ( maybe I shud exclude trump as the thread would fill to quickly , lol ) but I won't
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because I find it hard to fault the Ausies
Worst would be Kim Jong of North Korea !
It's tempting to laugh at him ! But then you have to remind yourself he executed and murders for fun and starves his people plus he actually could be mad enough to use a misfile if he gets one that works | |||
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"I would have said merkle but that is too obvious.... so can I have Canadian premier Justin treadeu " I was tempted on that one what's your worst Fabio ? | |||
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"Im going for Juan Manuel Santos of Colombia and the worst Robert Mugabe. "Fair Play it's easy to forget Mugabe , wish I'd thought of that ! Don't know much about Santos ? Maybe I should have said 3 choices each | |||
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"Agree on Merkel being the best around. Trump is definitely amongst the most incompetent. But there seems to be some more dangerous than him. Like Maduro from Venezuela, for example. You, like many I'm afraid, continue to underestimate little donnie. At present he is being held in check by the US constitution, separation of powers and particularly the US judiciary. However he is at present working to dismantle those restrictions on his power. If he succeeds everyone in the USA will quickly discover that the man is a monster every bit as bad as Pol Pot, Stalin or Hitler." Perhaps I'll be proven wrong. But, so far, Trump doesn't seem like someone who's interested in any sort of ideal except his own enrichment. Which as bad as it may be, doesn't compare to any of those guys. | |||
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"Personally I'd have xi jinping over any western leader. " Works well for China, economically speaking. But I wouldn't like giving up democracy, free speech or any human rights. | |||
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"I would have said merkle but that is too obvious.... so can I have Canadian premier Justin treadeu I was tempted on that one what's your worst Fabio ? "worst.... oooh... can i have phillipines pm rodrigo duturte.... his a proper nutjob.... | |||
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"Agree on Merkel being the best around. Trump is definitely amongst the most incompetent. But there seems to be some more dangerous than him. Like Maduro from Venezuela, for example. You, like many I'm afraid, continue to underestimate little donnie. At present he is being held in check by the US constitution, separation of powers and particularly the US judiciary. However he is at present working to dismantle those restrictions on his power. If he succeeds everyone in the USA will quickly discover that the man is a monster every bit as bad as Pol Pot, Stalin or Hitler. Respect !!! I've always thought Stallin gets off Cheap ! Very little to choose between him and Hitler in my book , especially as he probbsllyfid things we'll never know about ! "Stalin was far worse than Hitler. | |||
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"Stalin was far worse than Hitler." Really? Please explain. Because I would say for all the bad he did (and that was a lot), you have to balance it against what he achieved. He transformed Russia from a country of subsistence farming peasants with over a 99% illiteracy rate into a superpower with the highest literacy rate in the world and the ability to put the first satellite and man in space in less than 50 years. | |||
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"Personally I'd have xi jinping over any western leader. Works well for China, economically speaking. But I wouldn't like giving up democracy, free speech or any human rights." . Democracy is overrated Nobody has free speech except perhaps for the USA Human rights?... Well I'd contest that bringing 400 million people out of abject poverty in twenty years overrides I few hundred people being interned. The Chinese are lead by benign dictators on the whole, xi has proposed some of the very best policies on the world stage, has managed to give China a foothold in the world stage without invading or bombing people, has proposed some of the best new green technologies, made a real start on China's environmental issues, infrastructure... Human rights and democratic values are great and all but if your entire family history has been one of poverty there about as much use as a chocolate fire guard | |||
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"Personally I'd have xi jinping over any western leader. Works well for China, economically speaking. But I wouldn't like giving up democracy, free speech or any human rights.. Democracy is overrated Nobody has free speech except perhaps for the USA Human rights?... Well I'd contest that bringing 400 million people out of abject poverty in twenty years overrides I few hundred people being interned. The Chinese are lead by benign dictators on the whole, xi has proposed some of the very best policies on the world stage, has managed to give China a foothold in the world stage without invading or bombing people, has proposed some of the best new green technologies, made a real start on China's environmental issues, infrastructure... Human rights and democratic values are great and all but if your entire family history has been one of poverty there about as much use as a chocolate fire guard " That's just bullshit. Democracy is only overrated when everything is going well. When shit hits the fan, democracy is what allows the people to demand change. Without it, the only resort is civil war. And, eventually, shit always hits the fan. China's present success is backed by centuries of misery. | |||
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"Personally I'd have xi jinping over any western leader. Works well for China, economically speaking. But I wouldn't like giving up democracy, free speech or any human rights.. Democracy is overrated Nobody has free speech except perhaps for the USA Human rights?... Well I'd contest that bringing 400 million people out of abject poverty in twenty years overrides I few hundred people being interned. The Chinese are lead by benign dictators on the whole, xi has proposed some of the very best policies on the world stage, has managed to give China a foothold in the world stage without invading or bombing people, has proposed some of the best new green technologies, made a real start on China's environmental issues, infrastructure... Human rights and democratic values are great and all but if your entire family history has been one of poverty there about as much use as a chocolate fire guard That's just bullshit. Democracy is only overrated when everything is going well. When shit hits the fan, democracy is what allows the people to demand change. Without it, the only resort is civil war. And, eventually, shit always hits the fan. China's present success is backed by centuries of misery. " . The united states has democracy and has done since its inception, its civil war killed more citizens than every other war they've fought combined. | |||
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"When shit hits the fan, democracy is what allows the people to demand change. Without it, the only resort is civil war. And, eventually, shit always hits the fan. China's present success is backed by centuries of misery. " Now that really is bullshit! The only thing that allows people to demand change is power. And a benevolent dictatorship of any kind is much better than a malevolent democracy. Now if you were to say the problem is it is easier to turn a benevolent dictatorship into a malevolent one I would be inclined to agree, but would suggest the difference it is really only a matter of degrees and a little time. | |||
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"Agree on Merkel being the best around. Trump is definitely amongst the most incompetent. But there seems to be some more dangerous than him. Like Maduro from Venezuela, for example. You, like many I'm afraid, continue to underestimate little donnie. At present he is being held in check by the US constitution, separation of powers and particularly the US judiciary. However he is at present working to dismantle those restrictions on his power. If he succeeds everyone in the USA will quickly discover that the man is a monster every bit as bad as Pol Pot, Stalin or Hitler. Respect !!! I've always thought Stallin gets off Cheap ! Very little to choose between him and Hitler in my book , especially as he probbsllyfid things we'll never know about !
Stalin was far worse than Hitler."I think you may be right ! Hitler had plenty of like minded henchmen , I'm not so sure if Stalin did ! ? | |||
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"Agree on Merkel being the best around. Trump is definitely amongst the most incompetent. But there seems to be some more dangerous than him. Like Maduro from Venezuela, for example. You, like many I'm afraid, continue to underestimate little donnie. At present he is being held in check by the US constitution, separation of powers and particularly the US judiciary. However he is at present working to dismantle those restrictions on his power. If he succeeds everyone in the USA will quickly discover that the man is a monster every bit as bad as Pol Pot, Stalin or Hitler. Respect !!! I've always thought Stallin gets off Cheap ! Very little to choose between him and Hitler in my book , especially as he probbsllyfid things we'll never know about !
Stalin was far worse than Hitler. I think you may be right ! Hitler had plenty of like minded henchmen , I'm not so sure if Stalin did ! ? "P S Please no Daft posts saying I'm Sticking up for Hitler as anyone who knows my posts on here knows I'm not !!! | |||
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"When shit hits the fan, democracy is what allows the people to demand change. Without it, the only resort is civil war. And, eventually, shit always hits the fan. China's present success is backed by centuries of misery. Now that really is bullshit! The only thing that allows people to demand change is power. And a benevolent dictatorship of any kind is much better than a malevolent democracy. Now if you were to say the problem is it is easier to turn a benevolent dictatorship into a malevolent one I would be inclined to agree, but would suggest the difference it is really only a matter of degrees and a little time." . It really makes me laugh when I see somebody post about how great democracy is and then go.... Oh and trump  ..... Yeah how is trump working out for ten of millions of Americans  .
Still lets keep talking about how bad Stalin was, how many he killed and how we've got free speech, democracy and human rights...huzzah
In my short but busy life I've concluded from observation that John Lennon was correct when he said society is run by maniacs for maniacal objectives and starting that as true will get you locked up as a lunatic | |||
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"Stalin was far worse than Hitler. Really? Please explain. Because I would say for all the bad he did (and that was a lot), you have to balance it against what he achieved. He transformed Russia from a country of subsistence farming peasants with over a 99% illiteracy rate into a superpower with the highest literacy rate in the world and the ability to put the first satellite and man in space in less than 50 years. " While Hitler's regime killed more people than Stalins regime, Stalin killed millions of his own people before WW2 even started in peace time. Hitler's underlying aim was for the improvement of life for his people and the prosperity of his country while eradicating what he saw as the threat to Germany "Jews" / Gypsies / the disabled etc Stalin wanted full state control and a move to industrialisation. Stalin had killed through State policy 3.3 million or so inhabitants of Soviet Ukraine who died in 1932 and 1933, they were victims of a deliberate killing policy related to nationality. In early 1930, Stalin had announced his intention to “liquidate” prosperous peasants (“kulaks”) as a class so that the state could control agriculture and use capital extracted from the countryside to build industry. That was just the start. | |||
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"While Hitler's regime killed more people than Stalins regime, Stalin killed millions of his own people before WW2 even started in peace time. Hitler's underlying aim was for the improvement of life for his people and the prosperity of his country while eradicating what he saw as the threat to Germany "Jews" / Gypsies / the disabled etc Stalin wanted full state control and a move to industrialisation. Stalin had killed through State policy 3.3 million or so inhabitants of Soviet Ukraine who died in 1932 and 1933, they were victims of a deliberate killing policy related to nationality. In early 1930, Stalin had announced his intention to “liquidate” prosperous peasants (“kulaks”) as a class so that the state could control agriculture and use capital extracted from the countryside to build industry. That was just the start. " Thanks for the reply. your reasoning is thought provoking, but I fail to see a difference between stripping the land from wealthy farmers and stripping all property from the all property and rights from Jews. I also do not see how you see Hitlers wish to improve the lives of Ayran Germans and Stalin's desire to industrialise a country of subsistence peasant farmers. I would also suggest that although Hitler was originally driven by the desire to improve Germans lives with Lebensraum his desire to build an 'Aryan Master Race' and enslave the non Aryan Slavic people while eliminating Jews, Gypsies, and the disabled who fell under his and Germany's thrall was so by its very nature was always much more sinister than anything Stalin came up with. Of course there is the final thing I think you fail to give any weight to, and that is that Stalin succeeded in industrialising the USSR and in doing so improved (overall) the lives of Soviet citizens, Hitler not only failed in his goals (except for some limited success in his Aryan breeding program) and in fact destroyed the German economy and shattered the country. Now I fully understand we are not discussing nice men here and it would be fair to say it' really a case of degrees of evil, and the means do not justify the ends. But I believe Stalin's deliberate contribution to the USSR's advancement from a subsistence to an industrial economy, even if achieved by means of liquidation of part of his population, far outweigh Hitlers deliberate contribution to the world of medicine and science through deliberate medical experimentation on those Hitler had selected for liquidation. further I would suggest that the Nazi's deliberate targeting of children (and identical twins in particular so that they had a genetic match to use as a control) for these experiments would in itself 'promote' Hitler to the top of the list of modern era despots. Am very interested in your reply, maybe there is something I am missing that justifies your belief that Stalin was worse than Hitler. | |||
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"Il go with Malcolm Turnbull of Australia because I find it hard to fault the Ausies
Worst would be Kim Jong of North Korea !
It's tempting to laugh at him ! But then you have to remind yourself he executed and murders for fun and starves his people plus he actually could be mad enough to use a misfile if he gets one that works "Malcolm Turnbull is an idiot. He came out with a great quite the other week when talking about banning cryptography in Australia: "Well the laws of Australia prevail in Australia, I can assure you of that. The laws of mathematics are very commendable, but the only law that applies in Australia is the law of Australia" Wait until he finds out about the law of gravity! -Matt | |||
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"Il go with Malcolm Turnbull of Australia because I find it hard to fault the Ausies
Worst would be Kim Jong of North Korea !
It's tempting to laugh at him ! But then you have to remind yourself he executed and murders for fun and starves his people plus he actually could be mad enough to use a misfile if he gets one that works
Malcolm Turnbull is an idiot. He came out with a great quite the other week when talking about banning cryptography in Australia:
"Well the laws of Australia prevail in Australia, I can assure you of that. The laws of mathematics are very commendable, but the only law that applies in Australia is the law of Australia"
Wait until he finds out about the law of gravity!
-Matt
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"Stalin was far worse than Hitler. Really? Please explain. Because I would say for all the bad he did (and that was a lot), you have to balance it against what he achieved. He transformed Russia from a country of subsistence farming peasants with over a 99% illiteracy rate into a superpower with the highest literacy rate in the world and the ability to put the first satellite and man in space in less than 50 years. While Hitler's regime killed more people than Stalins regime, Stalin killed millions of his own people before WW2 even started in peace time. Hitler's underlying aim was for the improvement of life for his people and the prosperity of his country while eradicating what he saw as the threat to Germany "Jews" / Gypsies / the disabled etc Stalin wanted full state control and a move to industrialisation. Stalin had killed through State policy 3.3 million or so inhabitants of Soviet Ukraine who died in 1932 and 1933, they were victims of a deliberate killing policy related to nationality. In early 1930, Stalin had announced his intention to “liquidate” prosperous peasants (“kulaks”) as a class so that the state could control agriculture and use capital extracted from the countryside to build industry. That was just the start. " . How do you think the Communists got into power?. The tzar butchered and killed just as many and that's before you get into the Jewish pogroms which gave birth to Hitler's ideology.... You can trace pretty much all this shit back to the French Revolution because in the end it was about the wealthy holding onto power with the emergence of democracy and growing movent through trade.... Or in other words, the same shit were still seeing today | |||
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"I would have said merkle but that is too obvious.... so can I have Canadian premier Justin treadeu I was tempted on that one what's your worst Fabio ?
worst.... oooh... can i have phillipines pm rodrigo duturte....
his a proper nutjob.... "I was going to say him :P | |||
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"While Hitler's regime killed more people than Stalins regime, Stalin killed millions of his own people before WW2 even started in peace time. Hitler's underlying aim was for the improvement of life for his people and the prosperity of his country while eradicating what he saw as the threat to Germany "Jews" / Gypsies / the disabled etc Stalin wanted full state control and a move to industrialisation. Stalin had killed through State policy 3.3 million or so inhabitants of Soviet Ukraine who died in 1932 and 1933, they were victims of a deliberate killing policy related to nationality. In early 1930, Stalin had announced his intention to “liquidate” prosperous peasants (“kulaks”) as a class so that the state could control agriculture and use capital extracted from the countryside to build industry. That was just the start. Thanks for the reply. your reasoning is thought provoking, but I fail to see a difference between stripping the land from wealthy farmers and stripping all property from the all property and rights from Jews. I also do not see how you see Hitlers wish to improve the lives of Ayran Germans and Stalin's desire to industrialise a country of subsistence peasant farmers. I would also suggest that although Hitler was originally driven by the desire to improve Germans lives with Lebensraum his desire to build an 'Aryan Master Race' and enslave the non Aryan Slavic people while eliminating Jews, Gypsies, and the disabled who fell under his and Germany's thrall was so by its very nature was always much more sinister than anything Stalin came up with. Of course there is the final thing I think you fail to give any weight to, and that is that Stalin succeeded in industrialising the USSR and in doing so improved (overall) the lives of Soviet citizens, Hitler not only failed in his goals (except for some limited success in his Aryan breeding program) and in fact destroyed the German economy and shattered the country. Now I fully understand we are not discussing nice men here and it would be fair to say it' really a case of degrees of evil, and the means do not justify the ends. But I believe Stalin's deliberate contribution to the USSR's advancement from a subsistence to an industrial economy, even if achieved by means of liquidation of part of his population, far outweigh Hitlers deliberate contribution to the world of medicine and science through deliberate medical experimentation on those Hitler had selected for liquidation. further I would suggest that the Nazi's deliberate targeting of children (and identical twins in particular so that they had a genetic match to use as a control) for these experiments would in itself 'promote' Hitler to the top of the list of modern era despots. Am very interested in your reply, maybe there is something I am missing that justifies your belief that Stalin was worse than Hitler." My main point of reasoning was that the bulk of deaths due to Stalin was perpetrated on his own people in peace time. The bulk of Hitler's was perpetrated in a time of War though I fully understand Hitler started it. I do see your points that Stalin improved his country where as Hitler ultimately destroyed his own but our history will always be more forgiving of Stalin over Hitler because Stalin fought the majority of the war as our ally, and the allies had to try and erase the "monster" image of Stalin due to us and the US being allied with him. It obviously didn't look too good to be fighting against a tyrannical regime stood side by side with a tyrant just as bad, if not worse. The US worked hard early on to change the world perception of Stalin because of his very recent monumental atrocities. | |||
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