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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

So anyone seen Boris Johnson ? Whistle eh lol

God that was sure telling the EU to whistle for it lmao once again the Tories are a fucking laughing stock

Ever get the feeling this no deal is better than a bad deal is a cover up for the Tories as the EU are in control and the Tories you can still tell they dont have a fucking clue on what they are doing yet people still vote these wankers

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"So anyone seen Boris Johnson ? Whistle eh lol

God that was sure telling the EU to whistle for it lmao once again the Tories are a fucking laughing stock

Ever get the feeling this no deal is better than a bad deal is a cover up for the Tories as the EU are in control and the Tories you can still tell they dont have a fucking clue on what they are doing yet people still vote these wankers "

They are still the largest party wheather you like it or not

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond


"So anyone seen Boris Johnson ? Whistle eh lol

God that was sure telling the EU to whistle for it lmao once again the Tories are a fucking laughing stock

Ever get the feeling this no deal is better than a bad deal is a cover up for the Tories as the EU are in control and the Tories you can still tell they dont have a fucking clue on what they are doing yet people still vote these wankers They are still the largest party wheather you like it or not"

Not in Scotland they aint lol But you would never have guessed that seems 13 mp's out of 59 is now somehow winning the majority i guess the Tories cant count lol

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"So anyone seen Boris Johnson ? Whistle eh lol

God that was sure telling the EU to whistle for it lmao once again the Tories are a fucking laughing stock

Ever get the feeling this no deal is better than a bad deal is a cover up for the Tories as the EU are in control and the Tories you can still tell they dont have a fucking clue on what they are doing yet people still vote these wankers They are still the largest party wheather you like it or not"

True but if they carry on makes such a fucking complete and utter mess of BREXIT they may not be again for a generation or more.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"So anyone seen Boris Johnson ? Whistle eh lol

God that was sure telling the EU to whistle for it lmao once again the Tories are a fucking laughing stock

Ever get the feeling this no deal is better than a bad deal is a cover up for the Tories as the EU are in control and the Tories you can still tell they dont have a fucking clue on what they are doing yet people still vote these wankers They are still the largest party wheather you like it or not

Not in Scotland they aint lol But you would never have guessed that seems 13 mp's out of 59 is now somehow winning the majority i guess the Tories cant count lol"

Also true but in the UK, like it or not, they are the biggest party right now and that's what actually matters with regard to BREXIT.

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By *inkyHnS OP   Couple
over a year ago

The Council of Elrond

The fear will soon hit in for people when the penny drops if the UK has to pay the EU exit pay and it wont be cheap then where the fuck is the UK government going to find all this money remeber pre election that said there was no magic money tree and yet found 1 billion from somewhere to bribe the DUP to keep the Tories in power so where will the exit bill money come from if people cant work it out then further cuts are coming from the Tories

What a fucking mess its not hard to work out that no deal is coming and how is that going to effect businesses and the pound doesnt look good for the UK brexit. Ah well everyone is more than welcome to come live in Scotland and get the fuck away from all this mess lol

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin

Since Centaur isnt around:

This is a major victory and a cunning negotiation tactic from May and Davis. By agreeing to pay the divorce bill they have taken away one of the key negotiating strategies from the EU. Secretly we all knew that the bill would have to be repaid and now, just days before negotiations start, the EU have been blindsided by another capitulation and they will be thrown into disarry. While the EU negotiating team scrambles to try and figure out what to talk about now we've agreed to the bill May and Davis will be sitting in number 10 lighting a cigar talking about how they love it when a plan comes together.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

Over a year ago I said this was an Eton Mess caused because 3 multimillionaire Tory posh boys could not agree on how long 1 keep the top job and which of the other 2 would take his place. Of course less than 2 months ago I was pointing out exactly what flipflop May's record is on being strong and stable and what a pisspoor negociating possition we are in because in reality we shot our only bolt when we triggered article 50.

I now have a few simple questions to all those who keep telling me I am wrong, that I can't know what the future holds because I don't have a crystal ball...

Do you like having me say I told you so?

When are you going to start listening to what I say and examining the logic thought processes behind my conclusions rather than just dismissing what I say as socialist claptrap?

How do you feel reading yet another I told you so post from me?

Are you now going to ignore this post and continue as if nothing has happened after finding a way to spin this into another brexit victory as you have done regardless of fact since the referendum?

Are you ever going learn?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

While I can see what a clusterfuck this whole thing is with May/Davies et al in charge your "I told you do" doesn't entirely wash.

Shot our only bolt when we triggered article 50?

It had to be done once the result was announced last June. It was voted on in Parliament and supported by Labour as well as Tories in line with the (admittedly small) majority of the biting public.

The exit "bill" is mostly made up of continued payments for projects/schemes that we are/were already committed to....and future spending already budgeted for had we not voted to leave. It will not be required to be paid in one big lump. So no need for any "magic money tree".....but also no need for dickwads like Boris to be telling EU to go whistle.

As for the three old Etonian posh boys......two of them have now gone as a result and Boris is just Boris. Good for comic value if nothing else!

Otherwise you haven't spouted socialist claptrap...in fact other than "told you so" and what I have said above....you haven't really said much at all for anyone to disagree with!

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin


".

Shot our only bolt when we triggered article 50?

It had to be done once the result was announced last June. It was voted on in Parliament and supported by Labour as well as Tories in line with the (admittedly small) majority of the biting public.

"

If May had held fire on Article 50 and done the responsible thing and negotiated the transitional agreement before triggering Article 50 the UK would have been in a much stronger position.

It would have had the time to manage all the legislation, changes and the procedures to make it a smooth Brexit. All these issues like isotopes for radiology and what the passport rules during transition would be in place reducing uncertainty for everyone.

And the UK would have a safety net where they could actually walk away with no deal because the transition would already be in place instead of an economic abyss if they walk away now with no deal and no transition.

The only thing the Tories had to negotiate with was the triggering of Article 50 and they pissed it away to appease the zealots in the party.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Actually the EU were pushing us to trigger article 50 and refused to enter ANY negotiations (on transitional arrangements or anything else) before it was triggered.

What you propose here was never a possibility.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Over a year ago I said this was an Eton Mess caused because 3 multimillionaire Tory posh boys could not agree on how long 1 keep the top job and which of the other 2 would take his place. Of course less than 2 months ago I was pointing out exactly what flipflop May's record is on being strong and stable and what a pisspoor negociating possition we are in because in reality we shot our only bolt when we triggered article 50.

I now have a few simple questions to all those who keep telling me I am wrong, that I can't know what the future holds because I don't have a crystal ball...

Do you like having me say I told you so?

When are you going to start listening to what I say and examining the logic thought processes behind my conclusions rather than just dismissing what I say as socialist claptrap?

How do you feel reading yet another I told you so post from me?

Are you now going to ignore this post and continue as if nothing has happened after finding a way to spin this into another brexit victory as you have done regardless of fact since the referendum?

Are you ever going learn?"

Yet another "I told you so"? Like when you were telling everyone on here around Christmas time it was going to be impossible for Theresa May and the government to trigger article 50 before the March 31st deadline, and if you were wrong we could all call you a space cadet. You turned out to be wrong then so rather than I told you so, maybe we should all call you Mr Space cadet from now on?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Actually the EU were pushing us to trigger article 50 and refused to enter ANY negotiations (on transitional arrangements or anything else) before it was triggered.

What you propose here was never a possibility."

Absolutely 100% correct. As Theresa May tried to get an early agreement on citizens rights done late last year but it was refused by the EU who wanted to prolong the uncertainty for their citizens and the EU said we won't negotiate anything until article 50 is triggered.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"Yet another "I told you so"? Like when you were telling everyone on here around Christmas time it was going to be impossible for Theresa May and the government to trigger article 50 before the March 31st deadline, and if you were wrong we could all call you a space cadet. You turned out to be wrong then so rather than I told you so, maybe we should all call you Mr Space cadet from now on? "

If you care to check you will see at the time I said 'probably' not 'will'.

However I did say when she triggered article 50 she WOULD manufacture a reason to call a general election and then deliberately throw it. This she did! However I will concede that I failed to predict that despite her abysmal record those totally wedded to brexit would vote still Tory even though such a vote would clearly be against their own interests.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"Actually the EU were pushing us to trigger article 50 and refused to enter ANY negotiations (on transitional arrangements or anything else) before it was triggered.

What you propose here was never a possibility.

Absolutely 100% correct. As Theresa May tried to get an early agreement on citizens rights done late last year but it was refused by the EU who wanted to prolong the uncertainty for their citizens and the EU said we won't negotiate anything until article 50 is triggered. "

Really? Nothing?

So she could not have unilaterally said "We guarantee that all EU citizens living and working in the UK prior to our leaving the EU will have all their rights protected."?

Something she refused to do time and time again because she thought she could use EU citizens as a lever against the EU. Now how would you describe how that has worked out for the UK? Do you think it has helped or hindered our position? Do you think Boris's little whistle quip has helped? Or do you think the British Foreign Secretary standing up in parliament and saying what he did may just have caused the EU position to harden a little more?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Actually the EU were pushing us to trigger article 50 and refused to enter ANY negotiations (on transitional arrangements or anything else) before it was triggered.

What you propose here was never a possibility.

Absolutely 100% correct. As Theresa May tried to get an early agreement on citizens rights done late last year but it was refused by the EU who wanted to prolong the uncertainty for their citizens and the EU said we won't negotiate anything until article 50 is triggered.

Really? Nothing?

So she could not have unilaterally said "We guarantee that all EU citizens living and working in the UK prior to our leaving the EU will have all their rights protected."?

Something she refused to do time and time again because she thought she could use EU citizens as a lever against the EU. Now how would you describe how that has worked out for the UK? Do you think it has helped or hindered our position? Do you think Boris's little whistle quip has helped? Or do you think the British Foreign Secretary standing up in parliament and saying what he did may just have caused the EU position to harden a little more?"

I think the EU have no intention of negotiating any of this in a reasonable or sensible manner and whatever deal is reached at the end of negotiations will be rejected by the European parliament when they vote on it at the end of this anyway. Like a possessive, power hungry, over bearing and controlling partner in an abusive relationship the EU just doesn't want to let the UK go and refuses to accept our decision to Leave. The best thing we really should do is just end the negotiations right now and walk away with no deal, trade with the EU on WTO terms which they have to comply with under international law. We also then pay £0.00 (zero, not a single penny) for a brexit bill, which the house of Lords committee concluded legally we are not obliged to pay them a single penny upon leaving without a deal and we can then immediately start negotiating sensibly with other countries around the world like USA and Australia who actually want a real trade deal instead of the BullShit pretence the EU is putting forward that they want a deal because they really don't and they have no intention of giving us any deal, never have done and never will do.

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin

Of course the EU pushed for a quick trigger of Article 50, it handed them all the leverage in negotiations. What else would they aim for.

But there was a transitional deal to be done if that was what May insisted on, however that transitional deal would mean ECJ jurisdiction over Britain amd free movement of people during transition and May refuses to countenance either.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/21/pm-warned-transition-brexit-deal-fiendishly-difficult-to-achieve-theresa-may-eu

And theres a major difference between Mays clumsy attempts to divide europe by negotiating one on one the end result of Brexit and what could have been acheived by a skilled negotiator.

With a strong, skilled leader the UK could have refused to trigger Article 50 until a transitional agreement on some key areas was agreed (for those that cant keep up, this would be completely seperate to the actual brexit negotiations).

But the Tories were, of course, outmanouvered by the EU team again and backed themselves into a corner.

So the Tories have lost on pre-trigger negotiations, when to trigger A50, sequencing, the divorce bill and are about to lose on citizen rights unless the divorce bill is where theyre going to focus on next week. Quite the record theyve built up...

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"I think the EU have no intention of negotiating any of this in a reasonable or sensible manner and whatever deal is reached at the end of negotiations will be rejected by the European parliament when they vote on it at the end of this anyway. Like a possessive, power hungry, over bearing and controlling partner in an abusive relationship the EU just doesn't want to let the UK go and refuses to accept our decision to Leave. The best thing we really should do is just end the negotiations right now and walk away with no deal, trade with the EU on WTO terms which they have to comply with under international law. We also then pay £0.00 (zero, not a single penny) for a brexit bill, which the house of Lords committee concluded legally we are not obliged to pay them a single penny upon leaving without a deal and we can then immediately start negotiating sensibly with other countries around the world like USA and Australia who actually want a real trade deal instead of the BullShit pretence the EU is putting forward that they want a deal because they really don't and they have no intention of giving us any deal, never have done and never will do. "

You may well be correct about the European parliament voting down any deal. Our mate Nige has gone out of his way to alienate people across Europe. In fact he has pushed things so far he has lost his wife and child/children through his posturing.

But taking your prediction as correct what do you think the EU reaction is going to be to our telling them to F Off after the EUP vote down any deal?

Would you agree that there is a distinct possibility that the EU ban UK financial services and drugs from being sold in the EU? (Those are 2 areas exempt from WTO rules.) How do you think that would affect the UK economy?

How would we hit back? Ban EU goods? That means banning something like 40% of our total food consumption.

I did hear a caller to LBC James O'Brien talk in say "we may starve but we will be free". The only 'positive' I've heard so far from any supporter of brexit has come from Jacob Rees Hogg who says leaving the EU will mean we can get rid of masses of restrictive EU regulations and have an economy more like that of India or China. I wonder do you subscribe to that level of idiocy? Do you really want to see the UK turned into a sweatshop? Maybe you think that donny is not going to feed us US produced meat full of Monsanto growth hormone or vegetables not covered with their pesticides that are banned across the world because of their health risks?

I truly think that many in the brexit camp (you included Centaur) are in for a very rude awakening over the next 5 years.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"Over a year ago I said this was an Eton Mess caused because 3 multimillionaire Tory posh boys could not agree on how long 1 keep the top job and which of the other 2 would take his place. Of course less than 2 months ago I was pointing out exactly what flipflop May's record is on being strong and stable and what a pisspoor negociating possition we are in because in reality we shot our only bolt when we triggered article 50.

I now have a few simple questions to all those who keep telling me I am wrong, that I can't know what the future holds because I don't have a crystal ball...

Do you like having me say I told you so?

When are you going to start listening to what I say and examining the logic thought processes behind my conclusions rather than just dismissing what I say as socialist claptrap?

How do you feel reading yet another I told you so post from me?

Are you now going to ignore this post and continue as if nothing has happened after finding a way to spin this into another brexit victory as you have done regardless of fact since the referendum?

Are you ever going learn?"

So a puff piece upon yourself

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Actually the EU were pushing us to trigger article 50 and refused to enter ANY negotiations (on transitional arrangements or anything else) before it was triggered.

What you propose here was never a possibility.

Absolutely 100% correct. As Theresa May tried to get an early agreement on citizens rights done late last year but it was refused by the EU who wanted to prolong the uncertainty for their citizens and the EU said we won't negotiate anything until article 50 is triggered.

Really? Nothing?

So she could not have unilaterally said "We guarantee that all EU citizens living and working in the UK prior to our leaving the EU will have all their rights protected."?

Something she refused to do time and time again because she thought she could use EU citizens as a lever against the EU. Now how would you describe how that has worked out for the UK? Do you think it has helped or hindered our position? Do you think Boris's little whistle quip has helped? Or do you think the British Foreign Secretary standing up in parliament and saying what he did may just have caused the EU position to harden a little more?

I think the EU have no intention of negotiating any of this in a reasonable or sensible manner and whatever deal is reached at the end of negotiations will be rejected by the European parliament when they vote on it at the end of this anyway. Like a possessive, power hungry, over bearing and controlling partner in an abusive relationship the EU just doesn't want to let the UK go and refuses to accept our decision to Leave. The best thing we really should do is just end the negotiations right now and walk away with no deal, trade with the EU on WTO terms which they have to comply with under international law. We also then pay £0.00 (zero, not a single penny) for a brexit bill, which the house of Lords committee concluded legally we are not obliged to pay them a single penny upon leaving without a deal and we can then immediately start negotiating sensibly with other countries around the world like USA and Australia who actually want a real trade deal instead of the BullShit pretence the EU is putting forward that they want a deal because they really don't and they have no intention of giving us any deal, never have done and never will do. "

if you were a business man would you want to a deal with someone who had a history of pulling out of their commitments without paying? How do you think the rest of the world would view the UK if it did that? Do you think the USA and China would welcome a country that dosent honour it's commitments?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"Actually the EU were pushing us to trigger article 50 and refused to enter ANY negotiations (on transitional arrangements or anything else) before it was triggered.

What you propose here was never a possibility.

Absolutely 100% correct. As Theresa May tried to get an early agreement on citizens rights done late last year but it was refused by the EU who wanted to prolong the uncertainty for their citizens and the EU said we won't negotiate anything until article 50 is triggered.

Really? Nothing?

So she could not have unilaterally said "We guarantee that all EU citizens living and working in the UK prior to our leaving the EU will have all their rights protected."?

Something she refused to do time and time again because she thought she could use EU citizens as a lever against the EU. Now how would you describe how that has worked out for the UK? Do you think it has helped or hindered our position? Do you think Boris's little whistle quip has helped? Or do you think the British Foreign Secretary standing up in parliament and saying what he did may just have caused the EU position to harden a little more?

I think the EU have no intention of negotiating any of this in a reasonable or sensible manner and whatever deal is reached at the end of negotiations will be rejected by the European parliament when they vote on it at the end of this anyway. Like a possessive, power hungry, over bearing and controlling partner in an abusive relationship the EU just doesn't want to let the UK go and refuses to accept our decision to Leave. The best thing we really should do is just end the negotiations right now and walk away with no deal, trade with the EU on WTO terms which they have to comply with under international law. We also then pay £0.00 (zero, not a single penny) for a brexit bill, which the house of Lords committee concluded legally we are not obliged to pay them a single penny upon leaving without a deal and we can then immediately start negotiating sensibly with other countries around the world like USA and Australia who actually want a real trade deal instead of the BullShit pretence the EU is putting forward that they want a deal because they really don't and they have no intention of giving us any deal, never have done and never will do. if you were a business man would you want to a deal with someone who had a history of pulling out of their commitments without paying? How do you think the rest of the world would view the UK if it did that? Do you think the USA and China would welcome a country that dosent honour it's commitments? "

You really don't get it, do you? It's really very, very simple and I can explain it all in one short sentence:-

"We're British"

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