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"It was after boris told the eu leaders to "go whistle" if they expected britain to pay a divorce bill for withdrawing from the bloc, what do you reckon will happen? Does he really think they can leave without to pay anything? The bill is around e100b "Remember this was the guy that promised the NHS 350m one day then withdrew his comment the next day....his a gobshite toff nothing more reminds my of a boss i used to have years ago...his previous job was at a tea plantation in India lol  | |||
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"It was after boris told the eu leaders to "go whistle" if they expected britain to pay a divorce bill for withdrawing from the bloc, what do you reckon will happen? Does he really think they can leave without to pay anything? The bill is around e100b
Remember this was the guy that promised the NHS 350m one day then withdrew his comment the next day....his a gobshite toff nothing more reminds my of a boss i used to have years ago...his previous job was at a tea plantation in India lol "That is right, he did promise that too, is he a liability in the brexit talks? lol. | |||
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"It was after boris told the eu leaders to "go whistle" if they expected britain to pay a divorce bill for withdrawing from the bloc, what do you reckon will happen? Does he really think they can leave without to pay anything? The bill is around e100b "There is absolutely no way we're going to get away with paying nothing, whether it's €100 (£80) billion pounds is another question. | |||
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"It was after boris told the eu leaders to "go whistle" if they expected britain to pay a divorce bill for withdrawing from the bloc, what do you reckon will happen? Does he really think they can leave without to pay anything? The bill is around e100b
There is absolutely no way we're going to get away with paying nothing, whether it's €100 (£80) billion pounds is another question."Yes it depends how much it would be and even worse if there was no deal. | |||
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"This is a divorce... We are the ones who have started divorce proceedings... We are the ones who are saying we don't want to be married to you any longer, we are not going to pay a divorce settlement or maintenance but we like the cooking and cleaning arrangements and still want to fuck you. If you dont give us what we want you'll be sorry. The EU have been saying it does not work like that. Now they are starting to get pissed with us, next thing is we will find we are being given a straightforward ultimatum. When we tell them to stuff that we will be lucky to find our cloths in black bin bags and the locks changed. If we are unlucky our first hint that things haven't gone to plan will be seeing someone else wearing our Sunday best or finding a bag of cut up rags while the EU goes out and publicly fucks all our real friends while leaving us with the conman who has been screwing us over and trying to get into the EU's knickers behind our back for years." The difference is in a divorce we would still have have the assets, the EU wants to keep all the assets and still for us to pay the mortgage. I have no problem with us paying for things like the pensions of UK citizens that worked for the EU while we were/are members, and for commitments we have made to eurowide non national projects, but to expect us to pay for national infrastructure and personnel costs or things like ag subs in other countries is quite frankly stupid, YOU wouldnt carry on paying a gym sub after you left or council tax if you moved to another area even though you had committed to things by default whileliving in that area. Personally I think its best we just say fuck it lets leave and go WTO trade rules and tariffs and then negeotiate a trade deal if they are prepared to be sensible. There are so many on the eu side that will have to agree with any exit deal that I cant see it happening,that little belgian area that votes down them all will do it again, thats part of the problem with the eu its just too big with too many vested interests to get anything done. EU trade is about 7% of uk gdp and its likely we would keep most of that despite tariffs due to the lower pound, people buy on price, few give a monkey where it comes from | |||
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"If the EU gave us an ultimatum then at least that would be something to work on. At the moment it's all business lunches being paid for out of the fund and accommodation paid for by the same. Just like when you have to go see a solicitor they drag it out so it costs the maximum "Thats so true and of course they want it to go badly to scare any others from leaving, some club that is. I always say you only know someone when you have an argument, thats when you see the true character, the eu have already told a seed research group I am a member of that they wont be allowed to have any more contracts( despite some that are only for a year and we are still FULL members), the stupid part is this group are the ONLY organisation in the whole eu that can do the work, the seed compaies throughout the EU are up in arms about it, thier businesses are on hold until they can train people and create the new organisation but the political masters wont change their minds as we must be punished,plus of course the various countries are arguing where the new base should be, meanwhile these seed businesses are unable to do any new trials, and people here want to stay in this wonderful club?????????? | |||
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"Remember this was the guy that promised the NHS 350m one day then withdrew his comment the next day....his a gobshite toff nothing more reminds my of a boss i used to have years ago...his previous job was at a tea plantation in India lol "No he didn't. The slogan on the side of the Leave bus did not PROMISE to spend £350 Million on the NHS. It was merely a suggestion that the money we currently send to the EU could be better spent elsewhere. It was media spin that made a lot of people think that it was a promise. The same sort of thing happened with the Titanic. The builders (Harland & Woolfe) and the owners (White Star Line) NEVER made the claim that the ship was unsinkable. The chief engineer (Thomas Andrews) I believe made a comment that he had engineered the vessel, with it's watertight compartments, to be practically unsinkable - which is very different. The media at the time spun this and printed headlines about the Unsinkable ship | |||
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"It might be stupid, but it is what you voted for. If I read you right you are saying that first of all your company used to export its services to the Eu but because of brexit it won't be able to and the Europeans will set up alternatives within the EU. Hmm, maybe those financial services might just do the same AS THEY KEPT SAYING after all? Furthermore it seems you are science based and the Uk science community have almost unanimously and consistently said brexit fucks them. You didn't listen. It sounds like your prediction that us leaving will start a domino effect of others leaving is also not going to happen and the EU is getting stronger while we are getting weaker. Project Fear, eh?" ...Tell that to the mass unemployed in Spain,Italy and Greece...oh by the way...our jobless figures have gone down...so go and have another three months off and do abit of truthseeking..because your selling the same old bullshit. | |||
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"oh by the way...our jobless figures have gone down..." Yeah. Just like the value of the pound, the number of EU students applying for places in UK universities, the number of employees in both healthcare and agriculture from the EU not to mention the quality of food we'll be getting from the fantastic US trade deal which will see us all eating genetically modified cereals and hormone injected meat because we won't be able to afford the quality of food we presently get thanks to EU legislation. The only think on the way up is the prices in the shops all thanks to the self interested, racist xenophobes that voted brexit. | |||
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"oh by the way...our jobless figures have gone down... Yeah. Just like the value of the pound, the number of EU students applying for places in UK universities, the number of employees in both healthcare and agriculture from the EU not to mention the quality of food we'll be getting from the fantastic US trade deal which will see us all eating genetically modified cereals and hormone injected meat because we won't be able to afford the quality of food we presently get thanks to EU legislation. The only think on the way up is the prices in the shops all thanks to the self interested, racist xenophobes that voted brexit." ...Racist xenophobes.??..you really are..fucking pathetic. | |||
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"If the EU gave us an ultimatum then at least that would be something to work on. At the moment it's all business lunches being paid for out of the fund and accommodation paid for by the same. Just like when you have to go see a solicitor they drag it out so it costs the maximum
Thats so true and of course they want it to go badly to scare any others from leaving, some club that is. I always say you only know someone when you have an argument, thats when you see the true character, the eu have already told a seed research group I am a member of that they wont be allowed to have any more contracts( despite some that are only for a year and we are still FULL members), the stupid part is this group are the ONLY organisation in the whole eu that can do the work, the seed compaies throughout the EU are up in arms about it, thier businesses are on hold until they can train people and create the new organisation but the political masters wont change their minds as we must be punished,plus of course the various countries are arguing where the new base should be, meanwhile these seed businesses are unable to do any new trials, and people here want to stay in this wonderful club??????????"We've chosen as a country to leave the EU and all it's subsidiaries so it stands to reason we won't be involved in contracts anymore like this. So it's bye bye to a whole host of things like this and you can't leave the EU but EXPECT TO keep things EU related to suit. If you voted remain and your job suffers due to Brexit then I feel sorry for you but if you voted to leave then you're getting what you wanted. | |||
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"oh by the way...our jobless figures have gone down... " That is the brexit effect and more than ever is leaving the nhs. | |||
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"It'll be £50bn+, there will be some negotiation as some of the UKs commitments would have paid for subsidies and projects in the UK. The Tories will likely try to get the cash instead. And they may agree to take on the pensions rather than let the EU pay for them. It would be a stupid short sighted move to do that but that is the May way. Her taking on the financial responsibilities instead of paying the EU to cover it and administrate it would be touted as a victory because it reduces the sticker price of the divorce bill. But I dont know why Boris thinks the UK can sign a contract and commit to a deal and then turn around and say "Changed my mind, don't want to pay for anything after all"." He's pandering to the type of numpty that has a similar mind set.. intellectual he isn't .. | |||
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"oh by the way...our jobless figures have gone down... Yeah. Just like the value of the pound, the number of EU students applying for places in UK universities, the number of employees in both healthcare and agriculture from the EU not to mention the quality of food we'll be getting from the fantastic US trade deal which will see us all eating genetically modified cereals and hormone injected meat because we won't be able to afford the quality of food we presently get thanks to EU legislation. The only think on the way up is the prices in the shops all thanks to the self interested, racist xenophobes that voted brexit....Racist xenophobes.??..you really are..fucking pathetic." So the likes of Rhodri Colwyn Philipps and Anne Marie Morris aren't racist xenophobes? Both brexiteers, I believe. How about Thomas Mair? Don't suppose he's a racist xenophobe either? Tip of the iceberg. | |||
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"Can it be assumed that the EU, with their vast resources, have done the maths and have a detailed figure for us? A full breakdown of what they expect us to pay and why." There is a general breakdown but the methodology is yet to be agreed with the UK and until the UK makes some decisions on what it wants from these negotiations no one can give an exact figure. ~£12bn is to cover possible loan defaults. If there are no defaults the UK will be reimbursed for this money. ~£27.5bn is funding that the UK has already legally agreed to as part of signing off on EU budgets. Some of this such as farm subsidies will go back to the EU. The UK could ask for this money to go straight back to the government rather than UK business and farms. ~£27.5bn are other spending commitments the UK has agreed to. ~£10bn is for all the pensions due to the UKs EU workers over the past 40+ years. The UK could take over the payments rather than the EU paying them. It would actually cost the UK a little more to do it this way but it would allow Davis and May to claim the settlement bill is lower than it actually is. ~£37bn for projects over the last decade the UK has agreed to part fund but hasnt actually funded yet. Then theres the UK rebate to figure into it and the decision of what to do with EU buildings the UK has part funded. It may be the case that the UK takes something like all EU buildings in the UK as a rough compensation or the EU might sell those and the proceeds could be taken off the final bill. | |||
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"If the EU gave us an ultimatum then at least that would be something to work on. At the moment it's all business lunches being paid for out of the fund and accommodation paid for by the same. Just like when you have to go see a solicitor they drag it out so it costs the maximum
Thats so true and of course they want it to go badly to scare any others from leaving, some club that is. I always say you only know someone when you have an argument, thats when you see the true character, the eu have already told a seed research group I am a member of that they wont be allowed to have any more contracts( despite some that are only for a year and we are still FULL members), the stupid part is this group are the ONLY organisation in the whole eu that can do the work, the seed compaies throughout the EU are up in arms about it, thier businesses are on hold until they can train people and create the new organisation but the political masters wont change their minds as we must be punished,plus of course the various countries are arguing where the new base should be, meanwhile these seed businesses are unable to do any new trials, and people here want to stay in this wonderful club??????????"Youre hilarious, "I voted for Brexit but not the bad parts!!" See what youre missing is that this disruption is something you decided to cause. Its not the EUs fault that any of this is happening. In fact the EU has graciously made an exception for you to say you can change your mind and stay. Its your choice what to do now. If Weak and Unstable hadnt been beating the no deal drum or had planned and negotiated a transition before tripping over herself to trigger Article 50 then this wouldnt have happened. The EU arent punishing anyone, theyre making their preparations for an EU without the UK. Will it be difficult,yes. Will there be disruption, obviously. But thats your fault. And Mays for failing to agree a transition before triggering Article 50. | |||
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"It might be stupid, but it is what you voted for. If I read you right you are saying that first of all your company used to export its services to the Eu but because of brexit it won't be able to and the Europeans will set up alternatives within the EU. Hmm, maybe those financial services might just do the same AS THEY KEPT SAYING after all? Furthermore it seems you are science based and the Uk science community have almost unanimously and consistently said brexit fucks them. You didn't listen. It sounds like your prediction that us leaving will start a domino effect of others leaving is also not going to happen and the EU is getting stronger while we are getting weaker. Project Fear, eh?...Tell that to the mass unemployed in Spain,Italy and Greece...oh by the way...our jobless figures have gone down...so go and have another three months off and do abit of truthseeking..because your selling the same old bullshit." Real wages have also gone down. So has the FTSE 250. Inflation is up. The manufacturing industry is going down since the pounds devaluation cant keep up. The pound is down. Consumer confidence is down. Consumer spending is down. Companies are already complaining of a skills shortage due to Brexit uncertainty. Investment in the UK has already been lost because of Brexit. Jobs have already been lost. Hate crimes have increased 100% since the result. The growth of your economy has slowed to almost a standstill. In fact Greeces economy is growing at twice the rate of the UKs! | |||
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"Remember this was the guy that promised the NHS 350m one day then withdrew his comment the next day....his a gobshite toff nothing more reminds my of a boss i used to have years ago...his previous job was at a tea plantation in India lol
No he didn't. The slogan on the side of the Leave bus did not PROMISE to spend £350 Million on the NHS. It was merely a suggestion that the money we currently send to the EU could be better spent elsewhere. It was media spin that made a lot of people think that it was a promise.
The same sort of thing happened with the Titanic. The builders (Harland & Woolfe) and the owners (White Star Line) NEVER made the claim that the ship was unsinkable. The chief engineer (Thomas Andrews) I believe made a comment that he had engineered the vessel, with it's watertight compartments, to be practically unsinkable - which is very different. The media at the time spun this and printed headlines about the Unsinkable ship"He did Boris Johnson has suggested Theresa May promised to give the NHS an extra £350m a week at the launch of the Conservative party manifesto, when neither she nor the document made any such promise. The foreign secretary was pressed on why there was no pledge from the Tories to use any proceeds from Brexit to fund the NHS, when handing over £350m a week was a flagship promise of his campaign to leave the European Union. Asked on ITV’s Peston on Sunday why the sum was not in the manifesto, Johnson said: “It is. It is. Theresa May, she said it at the launch of the manifesto … She said we are going to take back control.” Read more ITV News’ political editor, Robert Peston, said: “Where?”, but Johnson went straight into a speech about how the election was a contest between May and Jeremy Corbyn as leaders. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/21/boris-johnson-wrongly-claims-350m-nhs-promise-is-in-manifesto Are you another denier the link is here for you read it and then listen to the interview....the guy is a bumbling idiot and watching this video of him how May made home secretary is beyond believe . As for the Titanic i never claimed they did say it was unsinkable...but why your trying to bring up this and distort the facts again baffle me...  | |||
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"It might be stupid, but it is what you voted for. If I read you right you are saying that first of all your company used to export its services to the Eu but because of brexit it won't be able to and the Europeans will set up alternatives within the EU. Hmm, maybe those financial services might just do the same AS THEY KEPT SAYING after all? Furthermore it seems you are science based and the Uk science community have almost unanimously and consistently said brexit fucks them. You didn't listen. It sounds like your prediction that us leaving will start a domino effect of others leaving is also not going to happen and the EU is getting stronger while we are getting weaker. Project Fear, eh?" No that part of niab isnt anything to do with me, its a registered charity that does ag research mainly, it has contracts with various companies throughout the world, the point I was making is that the EU is cutting of the noses of ltd companies by denying them acess to the work that HAS to be done before they can sell new seeds etc to spite the UK's face, this is despite the fact that the EU expects the uk to carry on paying into the club untill we leave but have already stopped us having contracts that will cease before we leave, I dont care what happens after we leave they can take their business elsewhere if they chose, but they dont have the facilities or staff, but they are having a direct impact on eu based companies by stopping this work so its eu and uk companies that will suffer, not in two or three years but TODAY but they dont care, its politics. Tell me that is in anyones interest | |||
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"If the EU gave us an ultimatum then at least that would be something to work on. At the moment it's all business lunches being paid for out of the fund and accommodation paid for by the same. Just like when you have to go see a solicitor they drag it out so it costs the maximum
Thats so true and of course they want it to go badly to scare any others from leaving, some club that is. I always say you only know someone when you have an argument, thats when you see the true character, the eu have already told a seed research group I am a member of that they wont be allowed to have any more contracts( despite some that are only for a year and we are still FULL members), the stupid part is this group are the ONLY organisation in the whole eu that can do the work, the seed compaies throughout the EU are up in arms about it, thier businesses are on hold until they can train people and create the new organisation but the political masters wont change their minds as we must be punished,plus of course the various countries are arguing where the new base should be, meanwhile these seed businesses are unable to do any new trials, and people here want to stay in this wonderful club??????????
Youre hilarious, "I voted for Brexit but not the bad parts!!"
See what youre missing is that this disruption is something you decided to cause. Its not the EUs fault that any of this is happening. In fact the EU has graciously made an exception for you to say you can change your mind and stay. Its your choice what to do now.
If Weak and Unstable hadnt been beating the no deal drum or had planned and negotiated a transition before tripping over herself to trigger Article 50 then this wouldnt have happened. The EU arent punishing anyone, theyre making their preparations for an EU without the UK. Will it be difficult,yes. Will there be disruption, obviously. But thats your fault. And Mays for failing to agree a transition before triggering Article 50."Try learning to read a post. The EU are punishing EU companies by stopping the testing and research that has to be done on these new seeds and NIAB is the ONLY company that is licenced to do it capable of doing it in the WHOLE of the EU, these seed companies are up in arms as their businesses are being damaged by the eu's wish to punish the UK,the whole contract is less than a million to niab so very little effect on them but these eu based seed businesses are losing much much more, so tell me that is sensible | |||
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"If the EU gave us an ultimatum then at least that would be something to work on. At the moment it's all business lunches being paid for out of the fund and accommodation paid for by the same. Just like when you have to go see a solicitor they drag it out so it costs the maximum
Thats so true and of course they want it to go badly to scare any others from leaving, some club that is. I always say you only know someone when you have an argument, thats when you see the true character, the eu have already told a seed research group I am a member of that they wont be allowed to have any more contracts( despite some that are only for a year and we are still FULL members), the stupid part is this group are the ONLY organisation in the whole eu that can do the work, the seed compaies throughout the EU are up in arms about it, thier businesses are on hold until they can train people and create the new organisation but the political masters wont change their minds as we must be punished,plus of course the various countries are arguing where the new base should be, meanwhile these seed businesses are unable to do any new trials, and people here want to stay in this wonderful club??????????
Youre hilarious, "I voted for Brexit but not the bad parts!!"
See what youre missing is that this disruption is something you decided to cause. Its not the EUs fault that any of this is happening. In fact the EU has graciously made an exception for you to say you can change your mind and stay. Its your choice what to do now.
If Weak and Unstable hadnt been beating the no deal drum or had planned and negotiated a transition before tripping over herself to trigger Article 50 then this wouldnt have happened. The EU arent punishing anyone, theyre making their preparations for an EU without the UK. Will it be difficult,yes. Will there be disruption, obviously. But thats your fault. And Mays for failing to agree a transition before triggering Article 50."Indeed. Waahhh! Waaaahhh! Waaaaah! Those nasty EU people are not letting us be a part of the project that we decided to leave, and have been telling them is shit. -Matt | |||
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"Remember this was the guy that promised the NHS 350m one day then withdrew his comment the next day....his a gobshite toff nothing more reminds my of a boss i used to have years ago...his previous job was at a tea plantation in India lol
No he didn't. The slogan on the side of the Leave bus did not PROMISE to spend £350 Million on the NHS. It was merely a suggestion that the money we currently send to the EU could be better spent elsewhere. It was media spin that made a lot of people think that it was a promise."Media spin BY THE LEAVE CAMPAIGN. Oh shit! We kept telling people that X would happen, and now they think X will happen! Shock! Horror! We wrote it on a bus! We ran prime time TV adverts saying it! Why would they possibly think we meant it?! -Matt | |||
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"Remember this was the guy that promised the NHS 350m one day then withdrew his comment the next day....his a gobshite toff nothing more reminds my of a boss i used to have years ago...his previous job was at a tea plantation in India lol
No he didn't. The slogan on the side of the Leave bus did not PROMISE to spend £350 Million on the NHS. It was merely a suggestion that the money we currently send to the EU could be better spent elsewhere. It was media spin that made a lot of people think that it was a promise.
Media spin BY THE LEAVE CAMPAIGN. Oh shit! We kept telling people that X would happen, and now they think X will happen! Shock! Horror! We wrote it on a bus! We ran prime time TV adverts saying it! Why would they possibly think we meant it?!
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" Indeed. Waahhh! Waaaahhh! Waaaaah! Those nasty EU people are not letting us be a part of the project that we decided to leave, and have been telling them is shit. -Matt" Youre another remoaner who needs to learn to read. The companies who this affects are based all round the EU, the contract that has been ended was less than a million, the knock on effect to these seed companies round europe is huge it effects them more than us. Its a bit like saying that the cadbury is the only company capable of and legally registered for testing and evaluating new chocolate recipes and so lindt,nestle etc cant market and sell and new products ANYWHERE in the EU and cant until a whole new strucure has been set up, this isnt happening when we leave which would be fair enough its TODAY, just politics at other eu peoples expense | |||
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" Indeed. Waahhh! Waaaahhh! Waaaaah! Those nasty EU people are not letting us be a part of the project that we decided to leave, and have been telling them is shit. -Matt Youre another remoaner who needs to learn to read. The companies who this affects are based all round the EU, the contract that has been ended was less than a million, the knock on effect to these seed companies round europe is huge it effects them more than us. Its a bit like saying that the cadbury is the only company capable of and legally registered for testing and evaluating new chocolate recipes and so lindt,nestle etc cant market and sell and new products ANYWHERE in the EU and cant until a whole new strucure has been set up, this isnt happening when we leave which would be fair enough its TODAY, just politics at other eu peoples expense " So what you voted for it suck it up.Today or tommorow or in 2 years it dont matter its what you wanted. | |||
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" Indeed. Waahhh! Waaaahhh! Waaaaah! Those nasty EU people are not letting us be a part of the project that we decided to leave, and have been telling them is shit. -Matt Youre another remoaner who needs to learn to read. The companies who this affects are based all round the EU, the contract that has been ended was less than a million, the knock on effect to these seed companies round europe is huge it effects them more than us. Its a bit like saying that the cadbury is the only company capable of and legally registered for testing and evaluating new chocolate recipes and so lindt,nestle etc cant market and sell and new products ANYWHERE in the EU and cant until a whole new strucure has been set up, this isnt happening when we leave which would be fair enough its TODAY, just politics at other eu peoples expense So what you voted for it suck it up.Today or tommorow or in 2 years it dont matter its what you wanted. "But you love the organisation that wants to punish us for daring to leave, would you expect a wife to punish a father by not letting him see the kids for leaving a marriage that was not what they wanted to be in. Some friends they are and the point is they are damaging companies that are EU not uk based to attempt to fuck us over in one tiny contract. I hope they keep these tactics up, they are showing their true colours and in the end those in the UK with open eyes will see it and know we made the right decision | |||
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" Indeed. Waahhh! Waaaahhh! Waaaaah! Those nasty EU people are not letting us be a part of the project that we decided to leave, and have been telling them is shit. -Matt Youre another remoaner who needs to learn to read. The companies who this affects are based all round the EU, the contract that has been ended was less than a million, the knock on effect to these seed companies round europe is huge it effects them more than us. Its a bit like saying that the cadbury is the only company capable of and legally registered for testing and evaluating new chocolate recipes and so lindt,nestle etc cant market and sell and new products ANYWHERE in the EU and cant until a whole new strucure has been set up, this isnt happening when we leave which would be fair enough its TODAY, just politics at other eu peoples expense " I know! It is a complete clusterfuck isn't it! Shame so many people voted to cause this to happen. It's not like they were not warned that things are complicated and their are all sorts of ripples that will happen. Shame that so many people just went with the in/out vote as being a simple thing and didn't stop to consider all the implications, or demand that the implications be further looked at before they voted to leave. -Matt | |||
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"Youre another remoaner who needs to learn to read. " So, you wrote that at exactly the same time as you posted on another thread calling out someone for using offensive names for someone who voted differently. Here is a name for you. Hopefully you won't find it offensive as it is true: Hypocrite. -Matt | |||
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"Youre another remoaner who needs to learn to read. So, you wrote that at exactly the same time as you posted on another thread calling out someone for using offensive names for someone who voted differently. Here is a name for you. Hopefully you won't find it offensive as it is true: Hypocrite. -Matt" I dont consider it an insult to be called a brexiter IE someone who voted leave anymore than remain voters should be insulted by being called remoaners, IE someone who moans about leaving,indeed plenty of remain voters seem to revel in being called so. However if you are insulted by such a term then I apologise, Now thats cleared up, whats your view of a orgainsation that is prepared to make some of its own companies suffer deliberately to make a political point. They could say to similar groups as niab in the eu, get your finger out as you will have to take on their role in time, that is perfectly logical what they are doing is not, you say a hard tory brexit is bad so why is this not | |||
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" But you love the organisation that wants to punish us for daring to leave, would you expect a wife to punish a father by not letting him see the kids for leaving a marriage that was not what they wanted to be in. Some friends they are and the point is they are damaging companies that are EU not uk based to attempt to fuck us over in one tiny contract. " Get your facts straight, the people who voted to leave caused this, no one else did. The EU are now having to follow a process because enough people in the UK gave them the big FUCK YOU Reap what you sow........ . .
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" Indeed. Waahhh! Waaaahhh! Waaaaah! Those nasty EU people are not letting us be a part of the project that we decided to leave, and have been telling them is shit. -Matt Youre another remoaner who needs to learn to read. The companies who this affects are based all round the EU, the contract that has been ended was less than a million, the knock on effect to these seed companies round europe is huge it effects them more than us. Its a bit like saying that the cadbury is the only company capable of and legally registered for testing and evaluating new chocolate recipes and so lindt,nestle etc cant market and sell and new products ANYWHERE in the EU and cant until a whole new strucure has been set up, this isnt happening when we leave which would be fair enough its TODAY, just politics at other eu peoples expense So what you voted for it suck it up.Today or tommorow or in 2 years it dont matter its what you wanted.
But you love the organisation that wants to punish us for daring to leave, would you expect a wife to punish a father by not letting him see the kids for leaving a marriage that was not what they wanted to be in. Some friends they are and the point is they are damaging companies that are EU not uk based to attempt to fuck us over in one tiny contract. I hope they keep these tactics up, they are showing their true colours and in the end those in the UK with open eyes will see it and know we made the right decision"I checked your story out and shockingly your facts are wrong. I know, imagine a Brexiter lying about the situation to suit their agenda!! Jim Godfrey is the head of NIAB and confirmed that the contracts would not be awarded from the EU as you stated. However the reason is that they are 2 year contracts and this would extend them beyond the UKs membership of the EU, not the one year you claimed. He also said the EU companies would struggle (in his opinion) to find a replacement as good as NIAB, not that there was no replacement. So a more accurate summary of events is: You vote for Brexit, you lose out because of Brexit and you blame the EU for it. | |||
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"Now thats cleared up, whats your view of a orgainsation that is prepared to make some of its own companies suffer deliberately to make a political point. They could say to similar groups as niab in the eu, get your finger out as you will have to take on their role in time, that is perfectly logical what they are doing is not, you say a hard tory brexit is bad so why is this not" An organisation that is prepared to make some of its own companies suffer deliberately to make a political point? The Conservative party? I despise them. -Matt | |||
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" Indeed. Waahhh! Waaaahhh! Waaaaah! Those nasty EU people are not letting us be a part of the project that we decided to leave, and have been telling them is shit. -Matt Youre another remoaner who needs to learn to read. The companies who this affects are based all round the EU, the contract that has been ended was less than a million, the knock on effect to these seed companies round europe is huge it effects them more than us. Its a bit like saying that the cadbury is the only company capable of and legally registered for testing and evaluating new chocolate recipes and so lindt,nestle etc cant market and sell and new products ANYWHERE in the EU and cant until a whole new strucure has been set up, this isnt happening when we leave which would be fair enough its TODAY, just politics at other eu peoples expense So what you voted for it suck it up.Today or tommorow or in 2 years it dont matter its what you wanted.
But you love the organisation that wants to punish us for daring to leave, would you expect a wife to punish a father by not letting him see the kids for leaving a marriage that was not what they wanted to be in. Some friends they are and the point is they are damaging companies that are EU not uk based to attempt to fuck us over in one tiny contract. I hope they keep these tactics up, they are showing their true colours and in the end those in the UK with open eyes will see it and know we made the right decision
I checked your story out and shockingly your facts are wrong. I know, imagine a Brexiter lying about the situation to suit their agenda!!
Jim Godfrey is the head of NIAB and confirmed that the contracts would not be awarded from the EU as you stated. However the reason is that they are 2 year contracts and this would extend them beyond the UKs membership of the EU, not the one year you claimed.
He also said the EU companies would struggle (in his opinion) to find a replacement as good as NIAB, not that there was no replacement.
So a more accurate summary of events is: You vote for Brexit, you lose out because of Brexit and you blame the EU for it."No as usual you have not readhis report correctly, I have as a member got the info sent direct to me. SOME of the tests more than two years many do not. NIAB is the only organisation that can do and are entrusted to do 678 out of 864 ornamentals. I notice you didnt mention comment he made about cutting off your face to spite your nose or mention that the european plant breeders have asked for the decision to be reconsidered but that has been refused. We are still FULL members of the EU and as has been said we are expected to pay our dues now and for projects we have agreed to that finish after we leave so the same applies to contracts that may end a few months after we leave,legally I beleive the EU are in a dodgy positon by refusing to consider tenders from uk companies in just the same way the uk gov has to allow tenders from eu ones. Typical remainer twist facts to suit | |||
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"Now thats cleared up, whats your view of a orgainsation that is prepared to make some of its own companies suffer deliberately to make a political point. They could say to similar groups as niab in the eu, get your finger out as you will have to take on their role in time, that is perfectly logical what they are doing is not, you say a hard tory brexit is bad so why is this not An organisation that is prepared to make some of its own companies suffer deliberately to make a political point? The Conservative party? I despise them. -Matt" So you despise the tories for in your opinion for doing it but not the EU for doing it, strange logic there | |||
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" Indeed. Waahhh! Waaaahhh! Waaaaah! Those nasty EU people are not letting us be a part of the project that we decided to leave, and have been telling them is shit. -Matt Youre another remoaner who needs to learn to read. The companies who this affects are based all round the EU, the contract that has been ended was less than a million, the knock on effect to these seed companies round europe is huge it effects them more than us. Its a bit like saying that the cadbury is the only company capable of and legally registered for testing and evaluating new chocolate recipes and so lindt,nestle etc cant market and sell and new products ANYWHERE in the EU and cant until a whole new strucure has been set up, this isnt happening when we leave which would be fair enough its TODAY, just politics at other eu peoples expense So what you voted for it suck it up.Today or tommorow or in 2 years it dont matter its what you wanted.
But you love the organisation that wants to punish us for daring to leave, would you expect a wife to punish a father by not letting him see the kids for leaving a marriage that was not what they wanted to be in. Some friends they are and the point is they are damaging companies that are EU not uk based to attempt to fuck us over in one tiny contract. I hope they keep these tactics up, they are showing their true colours and in the end those in the UK with open eyes will see it and know we made the right decision
I checked your story out and shockingly your facts are wrong. I know, imagine a Brexiter lying about the situation to suit their agenda!!
Jim Godfrey is the head of NIAB and confirmed that the contracts would not be awarded from the EU as you stated. However the reason is that they are 2 year contracts and this would extend them beyond the UKs membership of the EU, not the one year you claimed.
He also said the EU companies would struggle (in his opinion) to find a replacement as good as NIAB, not that there was no replacement.
So a more accurate summary of events is: You vote for Brexit, you lose out because of Brexit and you blame the EU for it.
No as usual you have not readhis report correctly, I have as a member got the info sent direct to me. SOME of the tests more than two years many do not. NIAB is the only organisation that can do and are entrusted to do 678 out of 864 ornamentals.
I notice you didnt mention comment he made about cutting off your face to spite your nose or mention that the european plant breeders have asked for the decision to be reconsidered but that has been refused.
We are still FULL members of the EU and as has been said we are expected to pay our dues now and for projects we have agreed to that finish after we leave so the same applies to contracts that may end a few months after we leave,legally I beleive the EU are in a dodgy positon by refusing to consider tenders from uk companies in just the same way the uk gov has to allow tenders from eu ones.
Typical remainer twist facts to suit "The EU decision covers *future* contracts, most of which are for 2 years. The EU are not cancelling any current contracts. The NIAB is currently the only group to do and be entrusted with 678 out of 864 ornamentals. But crucially not the only ones that *can* do and *can* be entrusted with these. Entrusted is not the same as licensed. You claimed earlier that the NIAB is the only one licensed in the EU which is not correct. As no one knows what the Tories will do after Brexit in terms of how to mediate cross border disputes, since they keep threatening no deal, its only prudent that the EU deals with countries where these things are already agreed upon. If May had agreed the transition before triggering Article 50 then this wouldnt be an issue. | |||
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"Now thats cleared up, whats your view of a orgainsation that is prepared to make some of its own companies suffer deliberately to make a political point. They could say to similar groups as niab in the eu, get your finger out as you will have to take on their role in time, that is perfectly logical what they are doing is not, you say a hard tory brexit is bad so why is this not An organisation that is prepared to make some of its own companies suffer deliberately to make a political point? The Conservative party? I despise them. -Matt So you despise the tories for in your opinion for doing it but not the EU for doing it, strange logic there" No, because as explained above, the EU are not doing anything. All this pain is a result of the Conservative government calling a referendum, for them taking the advisory referendum as legally binding, and for them then ballsing up the process of actually leaving the EU. And this is just ONE example. It happens to have hit you personally it seems, so maybe you might now appreciate the absurdity of what we are doing. There will, no doubt, be many more examples of this sort of thing. Just look at the position paper by the EU on animal semen as an example of how complex some of the transitional things will be. Any one of them is a pain in the arse to deal with. We will have thousands of other scenarios in every industry in this country to deal with. And we have 624 days left to do it. And we have senior Tory politicians helpfully telling the EU they can whistle for it. At what point are the people tasked with this process from the UK going to start taking it seriously? -Matt | |||
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"Now thats cleared up, whats your view of a orgainsation that is prepared to make some of its own companies suffer deliberately to make a political point. They could say to similar groups as niab in the eu, get your finger out as you will have to take on their role in time, that is perfectly logical what they are doing is not, you say a hard tory brexit is bad so why is this not An organisation that is prepared to make some of its own companies suffer deliberately to make a political point? The Conservative party? I despise them. -Matt So you despise the tories for in your opinion for doing it but not the EU for doing it, strange logic there" I've searched NIAB's (National Institute of Agricultural Botany) site anf for any directives from the EU instructing companies not to use NIAB's facilities. So far I've found nothing. Can you backup this allegation with any evidence? | |||
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"Now thats cleared up, whats your view of a orgainsation that is prepared to make some of its own companies suffer deliberately to make a political point. They could say to similar groups as niab in the eu, get your finger out as you will have to take on their role in time, that is perfectly logical what they are doing is not, you say a hard https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/656380tory brexit is bad so why is this not An organisation that is prepared to make some of its own companies suffer deliberately to make a political point? The Conservative party? I despise them. -Matt So you despise the tories for in your opinion for doing it but not the EU for doing it, strange logic there I've searched NIAB's (National Institute of Agricultural Botany) site anf for any directives from the EU instructing companies not to use NIAB's facilities. So far I've found nothing. Can you backup this allegation with any evidence?" Its in whats called network news,that is private to members that use it services as lots of the info contained in it is paid for by us and so not available to anyone who doesnt, so I cant download and post it here, our friend from Dublin found it somewhere, or a least part of it as hhe didnt mention the bits he didnt like. I dont think the EU is stopping companies using Niab its stopping niab doing the variety testing done by the cpvo which is an eu unit, without this testing seed companies cant market new seed, as DUS testing is done to confirm that the variety is uniform/stable and consistent, I believe these contracts are for "ornamentals" not general cereals, niab is the only EU organisation that is qualified and atested to do such work. As I keep saying the contracts are small beer and their loss will have no affect on mainstream uk ag, its the implication that the EU will do its best to fuck us over even if it impacts on eu companies, again, we are still full members paying full fees at the moment and are legally entitled to carry out these tests at least until we leave. Lets just get out now and cut all this shit and move on, those companies that want to trade will do so and those citizens of europe that want to buy will still do so, politicians on both sides are behaving like spoilt kids | |||
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"the point I was making is that the EU is cutting of the noses of ltd companies by denying them acess to the work that HAS to be done before they can sell new seeds etc to spite the UK's face, this is despite the fact that the EU expects the uk to carry on paying into the club untill we leave but have already stopped us having contracts that will cease before we leave, I dont care what happens after we leave they can take their business elsewhere if they chose, but they dont have the facilities or staff, but they are having a direct impact on eu based companies by stopping this work so its eu and uk companies that will suffer, not in two or three years but TODAY but they dont care, its politics. Tell me that is in anyones interest " I get your point and it is poor, but 1. Even the most ardent Remainers will tell you the EU is a bit shit at quite a lot of things and slow and overly bureaucratic. 2. We fucking knew this would happen, those of us not living in a brexit wet dream fantasy land 3. The EU said Brexit will hurt them and us, they knew it and stuff like this is a minor part of the scale. The point is it fucks us over far more than them but nobody does better. Why should that be a surprise? There are so many net benefits to working together it is logic that splitting up is going to come with a price. | |||
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"Now thats cleared up, whats your view of a orgainsation that is prepared to make some of its own companies suffer deliberately to make a political point. They could say to similar groups as niab in the eu, get your finger out as you will have to take on their role in time, that is perfectly logical what they are doing is not, you say a hard https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/656380tory brexit is bad so why is this not An organisation that is prepared to make some of its own companies suffer deliberately to make a political point? The Conservative party? I despise them. -Matt So you despise the tories for in your opinion for doing it but not the EU for doing it, strange logic there I've searched NIAB's (National Institute of Agricultural Botany) site anf for any directives from the EU instructing companies not to use NIAB's facilities. So far I've found nothing. Can you backup this allegation with any evidence? Its in whats called network news,that is private to members that use it services as lots of the info contained in it is paid for by us and so not available to anyone who doesnt, so I cant download and post it here, our friend from Dublin found it somewhere, or a least part of it as hhe didnt mention the bits he didnt like. I dont think the EU is stopping companies using Niab its stopping niab doing the variety testing done by the cpvo which is an eu unit, without this testing seed companies cant market new seed, as DUS testing is done to confirm that the variety is uniform/stable and consistent, I believe these contracts are for "ornamentals" not general cereals, niab is the only EU organisation that is qualified and atested to do such work. As I keep saying the contracts are small beer and their loss will have no affect on mainstream uk ag, its the implication that the EU will do its best to fuck us over even if it impacts on eu companies, again, we are still full members paying full fees at the moment and are legally entitled to carry out these tests at least until we leave. Lets just get out now and cut all this shit and move on, those companies that want to trade will do so and those citizens of europe that want to buy will still do so, politicians on both sides are behaving like spoilt kids" So that's a no then? However if the EU is acting illegally or improperly then, if the act was done prior to our leaving, which from what you say it has, NIAB can bring a case to the ECJ and sue the EU for any loss. I'm sure the EU knows this which is why I'm doubting the situation is quite as you're painting it but, without you providing more information, It's impossible to know. | |||
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"Now thats cleared up, whats your view of a orgainsation that is prepared to make some of its own companies suffer deliberately to make a political point. They could say to similar groups as niab in the eu, get your finger out as you will have to take on their role in time, that is perfectly logical what they are doing is not, you say a hard https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/656380tory brexit is bad so why is this not An organisation that is prepared to make some of its own companies suffer deliberately to make a political point? The Conservative party? I despise them. -Matt So you despise the tories for in your opinion for doing it but not the EU for doing it, strange logic there I've searched NIAB's (National Institute of Agricultural Botany) site anf for any directives from the EU instructing companies not to use NIAB's facilities. So far I've found nothing. Can you backup this allegation with any evidence? Its in whats called network news,that is private to members that use it services as lots of the info contained in it is paid for by us and so not available to anyone who doesnt, so I cant download and post it here, our friend from Dublin found it somewhere, or a least part of it as hhe didnt mention the bits he didnt like. I dont think the EU is stopping companies using Niab its stopping niab doing the variety testing done by the cpvo which is an eu unit, without this testing seed companies cant market new seed, as DUS testing is done to confirm that the variety is uniform/stable and consistent, I believe these contracts are for "ornamentals" not general cereals, niab is the only EU organisation that is qualified and atested to do such work. As I keep saying the contracts are small beer and their loss will have no affect on mainstream uk ag, its the implication that the EU will do its best to fuck us over even if it impacts on eu companies, again, we are still full members paying full fees at the moment and are legally entitled to carry out these tests at least until we leave. Lets just get out now and cut all this shit and move on, those companies that want to trade will do so and those citizens of europe that want to buy will still do so, politicians on both sides are behaving like spoilt kids So that's a no then? However if the EU is acting illegally or improperly then, if the act was done prior to our leaving, which from what you say it has, NIAB can bring a case to the ECJ and sue the EU for any loss. I'm sure the EU knows this which is why I'm doubting the situation is quite as you're painting it but, without you providing more information, It's impossible to know." Most of what I have received is on their news page, the rest is confidential to those who have paid for it. They are hoping the government and pressure from seed companies will force a change in eu thinking on this | |||
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"Now thats cleared up, whats your view of a orgainsation that is prepared to make some of its own companies suffer deliberately to make a political point. They could say to similar groups as niab in the eu, get your finger out as you will have to take on their role in time, that is perfectly logical what they are doing is not, you say a hard https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/656380tory brexit is bad so why is this not An organisation that is prepared to make some of its own companies suffer deliberately to make a political point? The Conservative party? I despise them. -Matt So you despise the tories for in your opinion for doing it but not the EU for doing it, strange logic there I've searched NIAB's (National Institute of Agricultural Botany) site anf for any directives from the EU instructing companies not to use NIAB's facilities. So far I've found nothing. Can you backup this allegation with any evidence? Its in whats called network news,that is private to members that use it services as lots of the info contained in it is paid for by us and so not available to anyone who doesnt, so I cant download and post it here, our friend from Dublin found it somewhere, or a least part of it as hhe didnt mention the bits he didnt like. I dont think the EU is stopping companies using Niab its stopping niab doing the variety testing done by the cpvo which is an eu unit, without this testing seed companies cant market new seed, as DUS testing is done to confirm that the variety is uniform/stable and consistent, I believe these contracts are for "ornamentals" not general cereals, niab is the only EU organisation that is qualified and atested to do such work. As I keep saying the contracts are small beer and their loss will have no affect on mainstream uk ag, its the implication that the EU will do its best to fuck us over even if it impacts on eu companies, again, we are still full members paying full fees at the moment and are legally entitled to carry out these tests at least until we leave. Lets just get out now and cut all this shit and move on, those companies that want to trade will do so and those citizens of europe that want to buy will still do so, politicians on both sides are behaving like spoilt kids" Hang on. Suddenly you are being directly impacted by a Brexit related consequence and you want to blame the EU? That is truly laughable. Here is something you might think about in the future, when things go wrong - take a good look in the mirror and ask yourself if you could have done anything different before casting blame elsewhere. Brexit will have consequences - hundreds if not thousands of things like this where people will say ... " but I didn't think...... " Aviation will be a real rock and roller once that starts to try to unravel. | |||
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"If you google NIAB theres several reports. And the EU decision still clearly states that it is future contracts that would extend past March 2019 that we're talking about. And even the head of the NIAB doesnt try and make the claim that the NIAB is the only option for the EU or that there are licensing issues. The reason that the contracts cant be awarded are also detailed quite clearly on the NIABs website. They operate within the EU on this basis: The new directive states that each EU member state’s regulatory and testing body should be regularly assessed to ensure their adherence to the CPVO Technical Protocols and other requirements,” explains Jennifer Wyatt, Certification and Agricultural DUS advisor at NIAB. At the moment there is absolutely no way of being sure that this can be maintained. May could have arranged this as part of the transition but didnt. May could have guaranteed this would be possible after Brexit instead of shallow grandstanding with "No deal is better than a bad deal." Once you opt out of complying with EU directives then you are taking yourself out of compliance with EU law. You can try and frame this as the EUs fault but this wouldnt have happened except for Brexit and the stupidity of not arranging a transitional arrangement." I dont need to google it I am a paying member, deny this then peaking in Cambridge today (30 June), NIAB Chairman Jim Godfrey said the collateral damage of the Brexit talks was becoming a reality after NIAB had recently been notified that future EU variety testing contracts commissioned directly by the Community Plant Variety Office (CPVO) and which might last beyond the envisaged Brexit date of 30 March 2019 would no longer be awarded to the UK.NIAB Board Chairman Jim Godfrey He explained that this ‘shock’ decision would affect work carried out by NIAB on DUS testing of ornamental crop species - valued at around £600k per year. “The timing of this notification – without any prior consultation - came as a shock, not only because the UK is and remains a full EU member until the confirmed date of Brexit, but perhaps more significantly because NIAB is the only entrusted examination centre within the EU for 678 of the 864 ornamental species involved,” said Mr Godfrey. The decision also presents a major headache for EU plant breeding companies and for CPVO in identifying alternative testing centres with the same level of scientific expertise, testing facilities and reference material required. Are you going to now claim that there others who can do it. The words ONLY ENTRUSTED EXAMINATION CENTRE might give you a clue. HINT when in a hole stop digging | |||
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" I dont need to google it I am a paying member, deny this then peaking in Cambridge today (30 June), NIAB Chairman Jim Godfrey said the collateral damage of the Brexit talks was becoming a reality after NIAB had recently been notified that future EU variety testing contracts commissioned directly by the Community Plant Variety Office (CPVO) and which might last beyond the envisaged Brexit date of 30 March 2019 would no longer be awarded to the UK.NIAB Board Chairman Jim Godfrey He explained that this ‘shock’ decision would affect work carried out by NIAB on DUS testing of ornamental crop species - valued at around £600k per year. “The timing of this notification – without any prior consultation - came as a shock, not only because the UK is and remains a full EU member until the confirmed date of Brexit, but perhaps more significantly because NIAB is the only entrusted examination centre within the EU for 678 of the 864 ornamental species involved,” said Mr Godfrey. The decision also presents a major headache for EU plant breeding companies and for CPVO in identifying alternative testing centres with the same level of scientific expertise, testing facilities and reference material required. Are you going to now claim that there others who can do it. The words ONLY ENTRUSTED EXAMINATION CENTRE might give you a clue. HINT when in a hole stop digging" The comment to Google NIAB was obviously to Kraken as he was asking to read something on the subject
Currently it the only entrusted one. I never disputed that, what your quote ends with is that there are other options but the NIAB says it will be hard (NOT impossible) to find a place that can do it as well as they believe they can.
So your initial claim was that the EU was refusing to give 1 year contracts to the only place in the EU that could possibly do it in order to spite both EU and the UK.
Whats actually happening is that any future contracts that will last beyond the UKs current exit date wont't be awarded to a centre that cant guarantee to be compliant with EU law for the duration of the contract. And that there will in fact be other options for the EU businesses but that the NIAB feel those other options arent as good as the NIAB. | |||
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"Now thats cleared up, whats your view of a orgainsation that is prepared to make some of its own companies suffer deliberately to make a political point. They could say to similar groups as niab in the eu, get your finger out as you will have to take on their role in time, that is perfectly logical what they are doing is not, you say a hard https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/656380tory brexit is bad so why is this not An organisation that is prepared to make some of its own companies suffer deliberately to make a political point? The Conservative party? I despise them. -Matt So you despise the tories for in your opinion for doing it but not the EU for doing it, strange logic there I've searched NIAB's (National Institute of Agricultural Botany) site anf for any directives from the EU instructing companies not to use NIAB's facilities. So far I've found nothing. Can you backup this allegation with any evidence? Its in whats called network news,that is private to members that use it services as lots of the info contained in it is paid for by us and so not available to anyone who doesnt, so I cant download and post it here, our friend from Dublin found it somewhere, or a least part of it as hhe didnt mention the bits he didnt like. I dont think the EU is stopping companies using Niab its stopping niab doing the variety testing done by the cpvo which is an eu unit, without this testing seed companies cant market new seed, as DUS testing is done to confirm that the variety is uniform/stable and consistent, I believe these contracts are for "ornamentals" not general cereals, niab is the only EU organisation that is qualified and atested to do such work. As I keep saying the contracts are small beer and their loss will have no affect on mainstream uk ag, its the implication that the EU will do its best to fuck us over even if it impacts on eu companies, again, we are still full members paying full fees at the moment and are legally entitled to carry out these tests at least until we leave. Lets just get out now and cut all this shit and move on, those companies that want to trade will do so and those citizens of europe that want to buy will still do so, politicians on both sides are behaving like spoilt kids Hang on. Suddenly you are being directly impacted by a Brexit related consequence and you want to blame the EU? That is truly laughable. Here is something you might think about in the future, when things go wrong - take a good look in the mirror and ask yourself if you could have done anything different before casting blame elsewhere. Brexit will have consequences - hundreds if not thousands of things like this where people will say ... " but I didn't think...... " Aviation will be a real rock and roller once that starts to try to unravel." FFS It has NO effect on me whatsoever I am a member of niab, this work is to do with ornamentals, I dont grow them I grow cereals,oilseeds and grasses this doesnt affect that sector. The effect is on european companies that cant get approvals for new varieties IE they cant sell them, the point I have been making is the EU are trying to make us suffer for leaving and the political masters dont give a shit if EU companies are collateral damage | |||
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" The comment to Google NIAB was obviously to Kraken as he was asking to read something on the subject
Currently it the only entrusted one. I never disputed that, what your quote ends with is that there are other options but the NIAB says it will be hard (NOT impossible) to find a place that can do it as well as they believe they can.
So your initial claim was that the EU was refusing to give 1 year contracts to the only place in the EU that could possibly do it in order to spite both EU and the UK.
Whats actually happening is that any future contracts that will last beyond the UKs current exit date wont't be awarded to a centre that cant guarantee to be compliant with EU law for the duration of the contract. And that there will in fact be other options for the EU businesses but that the NIAB feel those other options arent as good as the NIAB."Ah so now you have been caught out, this is what you posted are you saying that this sentence was to Kraken? So your initial claim was that the EU was refusing to give 1 year contracts to the only place in the EU that could possibly do it in order to spite both EU and the UK. What bit about the only entrusted group dont you get, of course in time others will be but that is little help to companies that want certification of seed TODAY Game set and match. We both know your are talking bollocks and you have been busted | |||
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" The comment to Google NIAB was obviously to Kraken as he was asking to read something on the subject
Currently it the only entrusted one. I never disputed that, what your quote ends with is that there are other options but the NIAB says it will be hard (NOT impossible) to find a place that can do it as well as they believe they can.
So your initial claim was that the EU was refusing to give 1 year contracts to the only place in the EU that could possibly do it in order to spite both EU and the UK.
Whats actually happening is that any future contracts that will last beyond the UKs current exit date wont't be awarded to a centre that cant guarantee to be compliant with EU law for the duration of the contract. And that there will in fact be other options for the EU businesses but that the NIAB feel those other options arent as good as the NIAB.
Ah so now you have been caught out, this is what you posted are you saying that this sentence was to Kraken?
So your initial claim was that the EU was refusing to give 1 year contracts to the only place in the EU that could possibly do it in order to spite both EU and the UK.
What bit about the only entrusted group dont you get, of course in time others will be but that is little help to companies that want certification of seed TODAY
Game set and match.
We both know your are talking bollocks and you have been busted"No. When I said the line about googling was to Kraken I meant that line was to Kraken. Not a different line, not some other poster, that line to that poster in reply to something he asked about twice. You say its no help to anyone who wants certification "TODAY"....this is to do with future contracts. Nothing changes today, or tomorrow or even the day after. The EU are not cancelling those contracts, they are not postponing them or suspending them. They are going to award future to someone else and they will be legally compliant throughout the life of the contract. NIAB will still be eligible to work within the EU on contracts that conclude before March 2019. You lied about the EU refusing contracts of a year. You lied about the reasoning (compliance vs punishment). You keep trying to say this will immediately impact EU companies ("TODAY") when it wont,its future contracts. And you keep trying to say that only NIAB can do this work when the EU is planning on going ahead with the contracts and will simply award them to other groups who have now got the notice to upskill. Game, set,match | |||
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" The comment to Google NIAB was obviously to Kraken as he was asking to read something on the subject
Currently it the only entrusted one. I never disputed that, what your quote ends with is that there are other options but the NIAB says it will be hard (NOT impossible) to find a place that can do it as well as they believe they can.
So your initial claim was that the EU was refusing to give 1 year contracts to the only place in the EU that could possibly do it in order to spite both EU and the UK.
Whats actually happening is that any future contracts that will last beyond the UKs current exit date wont't be awarded to a centre that cant guarantee to be compliant with EU law for the duration of the contract. And that there will in fact be other options for the EU businesses but that the NIAB feel those other options arent as good as the NIAB.
Ah so now you have been caught out, this is what you posted are you saying that this sentence was to Kraken?
So your initial claim was that the EU was refusing to give 1 year contracts to the only place in the EU that could possibly do it in order to spite both EU and the UK.
What bit about the only entrusted group dont you get, of course in time others will be but that is little help to companies that want certification of seed TODAY
Game set and match.
We both know your are talking bollocks and you have been busted
No. When I said the line about googling was to Kraken I meant that line was to Kraken. Not a different line, not some other poster, that line to that poster in reply to something he asked about twice.
You say its no help to anyone who wants certification "TODAY"....this is to do with future contracts. Nothing changes today, or tomorrow or even the day after.
The EU are not cancelling those contracts, they are not postponing them or suspending them. They are going to award future to someone else and they will be legally compliant throughout the life of the contract. NIAB will still be eligible to work within the EU on contracts that conclude before March 2019.
You lied about the EU refusing contracts of a year. You lied about the reasoning (compliance vs punishment). You keep trying to say this will immediately impact EU companies ("TODAY") when it wont,its future contracts. And you keep trying to say that only NIAB can do this work when the EU is planning on going ahead with the contracts and will simply award them to other groups who have now got the notice to upskill. Game, set,match "More bull from forum bullshiter anyone can read their press statement. are you Alistair Campbell he was good at spinning bullshite | |||
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" The comment to Google NIAB was obviously to Kraken as he was asking to read something on the subject
Currently it the only entrusted one. I never disputed that, what your quote ends with is that there are other options but the NIAB says it will be hard (NOT impossible) to find a place that can do it as well as they believe they can.
So your initial claim was that the EU was refusing to give 1 year contracts to the only place in the EU that could possibly do it in order to spite both EU and the UK.
Whats actually happening is that any future contracts that will last beyond the UKs current exit date wont't be awarded to a centre that cant guarantee to be compliant with EU law for the duration of the contract. And that there will in fact be other options for the EU businesses but that the NIAB feel those other options arent as good as the NIAB.
Ah so now you have been caught out, this is what you posted are you saying that this sentence was to Kraken?
So your initial claim was that the EU was refusing to give 1 year contracts to the only place in the EU that could possibly do it in order to spite both EU and the UK.
What bit about the only entrusted group dont you get, of course in time others will be but that is little help to companies that want certification of seed TODAY
Game set and match.
We both know your are talking bollocks and you have been busted
No. When I said the line about googling was to Kraken I meant that line was to Kraken. Not a different line, not some other poster, that line to that poster in reply to something he asked about twice.
You say its no help to anyone who wants certification "TODAY"....this is to do with future contracts. Nothing changes today, or tomorrow or even the day after.
The EU are not cancelling those contracts, they are not postponing them or suspending them. They are going to award future to someone else and they will be legally compliant throughout the life of the contract. NIAB will still be eligible to work within the EU on contracts that conclude before March 2019.
You lied about the EU refusing contracts of a year. You lied about the reasoning (compliance vs punishment). You keep trying to say this will immediately impact EU companies ("TODAY") when it wont,its future contracts. And you keep trying to say that only NIAB can do this work when the EU is planning on going ahead with the contracts and will simply award them to other groups who have now got the notice to upskill. Game, set,match
More bull from forum bullshiter anyone can read their press statement. are you Alistair Campbell he was good at spinning bullshite "Ah dear, are things looking dark in the hole you've dug yourself? Can NIAB work on contracts until Brexit? Yes Is the reason they cant work on contracts passed this date because theyve been opted out of compliance by the Tories? Yes Are the EU going to award those contracts to someone else allowing the work to continue? Yes Could this all have been avoided if May had agreed a transition deal before triggering Article 50? Yes Since all of that is true, what are you complaining about? Unless its Mays disastrous Brexit strategy of course... Theres no spin needed. You lied repeatedly until I looked up the facts (not that youve acknowledged that even once). The fact is the EUs hands are tied because organisations are legally required to be compliant. The UK can fix this tomorrow by committing to keeping NIAB compliant but the Tories wont do that. | |||
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" The comment to Google NIAB was obviously to Kraken as he was asking to read something on the subject
Currently it the only entrusted one. I never disputed that, what your quote ends with is that there are other options but the NIAB says it will be hard (NOT impossible) to find a place that can do it as well as they believe they can.
So your initial claim was that the EU was refusing to give 1 year contracts to the only place in the EU that could possibly do it in order to spite both EU and the UK.
Whats actually happening is that any future contracts that will last beyond the UKs current exit date wont't be awarded to a centre that cant guarantee to be compliant with EU law for the duration of the contract. And that there will in fact be other options for the EU businesses but that the NIAB feel those other options arent as good as the NIAB.
Ah so now you have been caught out, this is what you posted are you saying that this sentence was to Kraken?
So your initial claim was that the EU was refusing to give 1 year contracts to the only place in the EU that could possibly do it in order to spite both EU and the UK.
What bit about the only entrusted group dont you get, of course in time others will be but that is little help to companies that want certification of seed TODAY
Game set and match.
We both know your are talking bollocks and you have been busted
No. When I said the line about googling was to Kraken I meant that line was to Kraken. Not a different line, not some other poster, that line to that poster in reply to something he asked about twice.
You say its no help to anyone who wants certification "TODAY"....this is to do with future contracts. Nothing changes today, or tomorrow or even the day after.
The EU are not cancelling those contracts, they are not postponing them or suspending them. They are going to award future to someone else and they will be legally compliant throughout the life of the contract. NIAB will still be eligible to work within the EU on contracts that conclude before March 2019.
You lied about the EU refusing contracts of a year. You lied about the reasoning (compliance vs punishment). You keep trying to say this will immediately impact EU companies ("TODAY") when it wont,its future contracts. And you keep trying to say that only NIAB can do this work when the EU is planning on going ahead with the contracts and will simply award them to other groups who have now got the notice to upskill. Game, set,match
More bull from forum bullshiter anyone can read their press statement. are you Alistair Campbell he was good at spinning bullshite "I'm sorry to say but the extract you posted actually illustrates you to be wrong The eu cannot give a contract that may breach the now 18 month deadline of exit it's hands are tied mainly by the posturing of the incompetent UK government exit team Eu court ! Everything needs a frame work a legal one and as the UK is not accepting the jurisdiction of the European court , the European union cannot give a contract that may need legal judgment to a country or institution that will not be using the United single legal framework . Obviously NIAB will move to the European union it has no choice And as it may indeed have experts from across the world uniting I'm it's expertise not just UK born and bred irreplaceable super brains they will quite easily move to where they are needed thus confirming from your very text that leaving the European union will indeed at least mean the UK loses its prestigious spot me host to NIAB the UK itself has nothing special that cannot be moved elsewhere and replaced Seems the UK will suffer the same with the nuclear agency too , and most plausibly many financial areas . Europe cannot have or indeed have no need or benefit from certain ,many institutions which are currently in the UK especially if the European court is not permitted to make judgments 
This is the tip of an idiosyncratic nightmare, where very few win. It was not predicted or warned it was both blatantly obvious and inevitable , and trying to blame the European union for doing what we knew they would is rather pathetic ,in fact conversly they have been more efficient , organised , United, and reasonable than I expected and UK has been worse
Plant genotypes will indeed be agreed , the mess the UK has placed European growers in will be swiftly sorted by moving
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"If you google NIAB theres several reports. And the EU decision still clearly states that it is future contracts that would extend past March 2019 that we're talking about. And even the head of the NIAB doesnt try and make the claim that the NIAB is the only option for the EU or that there are licensing issues. The reason that the contracts cant be awarded are also detailed quite clearly on the NIABs website. They operate within the EU on this basis: The new directive states that each EU member state’s regulatory and testing body should be regularly assessed to ensure their adherence to the CPVO Technical Protocols and other requirements,” explains Jennifer Wyatt, Certification and Agricultural DUS advisor at NIAB. At the moment there is absolutely no way of being sure that this can be maintained. May could have arranged this as part of the transition but didnt. May could have guaranteed this would be possible after Brexit instead of shallow grandstanding with "No deal is better than a bad deal." Once you opt out of complying with EU directives then you are taking yourself out of compliance with EU law. You can try and frame this as the EUs fault but this wouldnt have happened except for Brexit and the stupidity of not arranging a transitional arrangement. I dont need to google it I am a paying member, deny this then peaking in Cambridge today (30 June), NIAB Chairman Jim Godfrey said the collateral damage of the Brexit talks was becoming a reality after NIAB had recently been notified that future EU variety testing contracts commissioned directly by the Community Plant Variety Office (CPVO) and which might last beyond the envisaged Brexit date of 30 March 2019 would no longer be awarded to the UK.NIAB Board Chairman Jim Godfrey He explained that this ‘shock’ decision would affect work carried out by NIAB on DUS testing of ornamental crop species - valued at around £600k per year. “The timing of this notification – without any prior consultation - came as a shock, not only because the UK is and remains a full EU member until the confirmed date of Brexit, but perhaps more significantly because NIAB is the only entrusted examination centre within the EU for 678 of the 864 ornamental species involved,” said Mr Godfrey. The decision also presents a major headache for EU plant breeding companies and for CPVO in identifying alternative testing centres with the same level of scientific expertise, testing facilities and reference material required. Are you going to now claim that there others who can do it. The words ONLY ENTRUSTED EXAMINATION CENTRE might give you a clue. HINT when in a hole stop digging" And the words "which might last beyond the envisaged Brexit date of 30 March 2019" might give you a clue as to what the problem is. Pulling out of EU regulations and ECJ oversight means pulling out of EU regulation and ECJ oversight. NIAB will no longer be compliant so can't do any work on there contracts after we leave, which is why they're not awarding them if they go past our expected leave date. It's what you voted for when you voted to leave. | |||
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"whatever. strangely I will believe what the business I am a member of have told me not someone who had never heard of them before today but hey ho fill yer boots believe what you want,you usually do " Of course you'll believe what you want. You want the EU to be wrong even in the face of evidence that everyone else understands. The NIAB may be something youre more familiar with but its sutuation isnt difficult to understand. Theyve spent a lot of money over the last few years to upgrade their campus on the basis they'd have contracts from the EU. Thats all going to go post Brexit so theyre up a creek without a paddle, particularly if they got a loan to upgrade. The campus cant simply be moved so theyre going to be a big loser as a result of Brexit so now theyre trying to lobby for a solution that allows them to keep the contracts. But they did not claim to be denied 1 year contracts like you did. And they didnt claim that no one else in the EU could fulfill those contracts when they become due. The EU is being responsible by telling NIAB that they wont have that revenue post Brexit and alerting other organisations that the contracts are there to be won and that they should upskill accordingly. Strange that its the dastardly EU keeping everyone informed of the legal situation and not the Tories. And the Tories are still the ones that could rescue this situation by committing to post Brexit compliance but they wont do that. | |||
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