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"Anne Marie Morris, who campaigned to leave the European Union in the 2016 referendum, described her view of what could be done to ensure a good exit deal with the EU in the two years allowed for talks at a think tank on monday. She then continued: “And then we get to the real nigger in the wood pile which is, in two years, what will happen if there is no deal." Anyone MP who is comfortable to use this sort of language at a meeting needs to be removed." it was quoted by the reporter who recorded it that 2 senior tories who were there never batted an eyeld over her remarks.....im waiting on the deniers to say it never happened we all know the usual suspects  | |||
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"I was going to post about this and then thought, on here: a) it will be denied b) it will be about Brexit and not about the use of an acceptable word c) it will be claimed that people are too easily offended d) I will get hate mail telling me I'm too precious and shouldn't stop people using these words because I'm a lefty. "  | |||
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"Shes just been suspended from the party. "No shes had the whip removed Bob...personally she should be sacked....if you said it in a normal workplace you would be or any other civil servant would be | |||
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"I was going to post about this and then thought, on here: a) it will be denied b) it will be about Brexit and not about the use of an acceptable word c) it will be claimed that people are too easily offended d) I will get hate mail telling me I'm too precious and shouldn't stop people using these words because I'm a lefty. " Who gives a fuck about a b or c. Say what you see.Call that shit out. I get the funniest hate mail on here .  | |||
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"I was going to post about this and then thought, on here: a) it will be denied b) it will be about Brexit and not about the use of an acceptable word c) it will be claimed that people are too easily offended d) I will get hate mail telling me I'm too precious and shouldn't stop people using these words because I'm a lefty. Who gives a fuck about a b or c. Say what you see.Call that shit out. I get the funniest hate mail on here . "I'm blocked enough, which makes it difficult for me to respond to comments or post on threads.
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"Shes just been suspended from the party.
No shes had the whip removed Bob...personally she should be sacked....if you said it in a normal workplace you would be or any other civil servant would be "If TM doesnt finish her off and sack her thats another nail in the tory coffin. Regarding the expression she used i first heard of it about 7 years ago from a friend.Its was used in a council meeting .That person was sacked.Its has its origins in slavery. | |||
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"Shes just been suspended from the party.
No shes had the whip removed Bob...personally she should be sacked....if you said it in a normal workplace you would be or any other civil servant would be If TM doesnt finish her off and sack her thats another nail in the tory coffin.
Regarding the expression she used i first heard of it about 7 years ago from a friend.Its was used in a council meeting .That person was sacked.Its has its origins in slavery. "The last one was Lord Dixon Smith in 2008 and Cameron had to be pressured to withdraw the Whip then. | |||
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"If its true that she used that phrase then yes it's unacceptable and totally unprofessional. BUT, for those of a certain age and generation that word was part of everyday language albeit many years ago." Its true because its on tape. Which generation would that be. Shes 60. | |||
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"If its true that she used that phrase then yes it's unacceptable and totally unprofessional. BUT, for those of a certain age and generation that word was part of everyday language albeit many years ago. Its true because its on tape. Which generation would that be. Shes 60." About right that being 60....there were all types of racists programs on tv at that time | |||
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"If its true that she used that phrase then yes it's unacceptable and totally unprofessional. BUT, for those of a certain age and generation that word was part of everyday language albeit many years ago." She's 8 years older than me. That makes us the same generation. She's had more years since it's been unacceptable than since it has. | |||
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"If its true that she used that phrase then yes it's unacceptable and totally unprofessional. BUT, for those of a certain age and generation that word was part of everyday language albeit many years ago. She's 8 years older than me. That makes us the same generation. She's had more years since it's been unacceptable than since it has. " Theres no excuse.This expression was never common here in any generation in the last century.Its origins are in the 19th and early 20th century. | |||
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"If its true that she used that phrase then yes it's unacceptable and totally unprofessional. BUT, for those of a certain age and generation that word was part of everyday language albeit many years ago. She's 8 years older than me. That makes us the same generation. She's had more years since it's been unacceptable than since it has. Theres no excuse.This expression was never common here in any generation in the last century.Its origins are in the 19th and early 20th century." I know, I'm just countering that it's her generation. No it bloody isn't. | |||
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"If its true that she used that phrase then yes it's unacceptable and totally unprofessional. BUT, for those of a certain age and generation that word was part of everyday language albeit many years ago. She's 8 years older than me. That makes us the same generation. She's had more years since it's been unacceptable than since it has. Theres no excuse.This expression was never common here in any generation in the last century.Its origins are in the 19th and early 20th century. I know, I'm just countering that it's her generation. No it bloody isn't. " Age or generation obviously isn't an excuse. The world moved on a long time ago. All I'm saying is that it was probably a remark which slipped out rather than something said in a malicious manner. Still, It's only right to expect better from a professional individual. And yes that word was used openly in the previous century. It wasn't uncommon for pet (black) cats to be named n***** and at one point there was a shade of black bearing that name. Thankfully we now live in more enlightened and aware times. | |||
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"If its true that she used that phrase then yes it's unacceptable and totally unprofessional. BUT, for those of a certain age and generation that word was part of everyday language albeit many years ago. She's 8 years older than me. That makes us the same generation. She's had more years since it's been unacceptable than since it has. Theres no excuse.This expression was never common here in any generation in the last century.Its origins are in the 19th and early 20th century. I know, I'm just countering that it's her generation. No it bloody isn't. Age or generation obviously isn't an excuse. The world moved on a long time ago. All I'm saying is that it was probably a remark which slipped out rather than something said in a malicious manner. Still, It's only right to expect better from a professional individual. And yes that word was used openly in the previous century. It wasn't uncommon for pet (black) cats to be named n***** and at one point there was a shade of black bearing that name. Thankfully we now live in more enlightened and aware times. " I thought we did live in more enlightened times until this MP used this word publicly.This woman must live in some alternate reality to the rest of us where this phrase just trips off the tongue. | |||
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"I have to say I can't really what all the fuss is about... Black rappers use the word all the time and in the most derogatory of ways but apparently that's OK cos we is all ******* init... But if a white person uses it... surely it is not the word that is the problem it is the way the word is being used that is the problem... A bit like us referring to certain people as sluts, whores and really dirty bitches. I doubt many here would see that as an insult, in fact most of us would see it as a compliment and a description of our sexuality. Of course there will always be those who spend their time looking to be insulted on the part of others who would censor and restrict anything and everything that does not meet the standards they would impose on everyone (bar themselves of course). However having said that, if you are a politician your fair game. Especially when you're vickers daughter leader takes such a morally superior stance while making grubby deals with former loyalist paramilitary MP to stay in power." You don't understand why black people can use that word but white people can't? Blimey. | |||
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"I have to say I can't really what all the fuss is about... But .... " when the fail is this strong then there is always double facepalm | |||
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"You don't understand why black people can use that word but white people can't? Blimey. " Not really, I would not use it and whenever I hear it used there is a moment of raised eyebrows and close analysis of the context that the word has been used in regardless of the colour of the person using it. But my point is, it is a word like any other, and should be treated like any other word and viewed in the context it was used. Words without context only have power to offend if we choose to be offended. Too many people choose to be offended on behalf of others. Just my opinion, but then I have not suffered discrimination because of the colour of my skin. | |||
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"You don't understand why black people can use that word but white people can't? Blimey. Not really, I would not use it and whenever I hear it used there is a moment of raised eyebrows and close analysis of the context that the word has been used in regardless of the colour of the person using it. But my point is, it is a word like any other, and should be treated like any other word and viewed in the context it was used. Words without context only have power to offend if we choose to be offended. Too many people choose to be offended on behalf of others. Just my opinion, but then I have not suffered discrimination because of the colour of my skin. " Tbh the word is synonymous with discrimination...always has been and always will be | |||
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"You don't understand why black people can use that word but white people can't? Blimey. Not really, I would not use it and whenever I hear it used there is a moment of raised eyebrows and close analysis of the context that the word has been used in regardless of the colour of the person using it. But my point is, it is a word like any other, and should be treated like any other word and viewed in the context it was used. Words without context only have power to offend if we choose to be offended. Too many people choose to be offended on behalf of others. Just my opinion, but then I have not suffered discrimination because of the colour of my skin. " I have but that's not even the point. I don't see any word as inherently out of bounds but I do see that it's not always appropriate to use certain words at times. As an MP she knows she wouldn't be able to call another MP a cunt in the House, even if she's thinking it. It's unparliamentary language and behaviour. She couldn't get away with calling one her constituents an idiot to their face, could she? We all mind our language most of the time. This phrase is not in everyday use, except perhaps by her and others like her, for it to slip so easily into her carefully considered comments in a public arena discussing a government policy. So, yes, I'll be offended and say so and not just because I'm black. | |||
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"Tbh the word is synonymous with discrimination...always has been and always will be " Now that's my whole point. That the word was synonymous with discrimination in the past and is in certain parts of the English speaking world in the present does not mean it will be like that in the future unless we perpetuate its discriminatory meaning. Language evolves. | |||
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"Tbh the word is synonymous with discrimination...always has been and always will be Now that's my whole point. That the word was synonymous with discrimination in the past and is in certain parts of the English speaking world in the present does not mean it will be like that in the future unless we perpetuate its discriminatory meaning. Language evolves." Id say it still is surely we have evolved enough now to realise it | |||
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"Tbh the word is synonymous with discrimination...always has been and always will be Now that's my whole point. That the word was synonymous with discrimination in the past and is in certain parts of the English speaking world in the present does not mean it will be like that in the future unless we perpetuate its discriminatory meaning. Language evolves." It's not just the one word, it's the phrase. Do you have an evolution for nigger in the woodpile?   | |||
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"I have but that's not even the point. I don't see any word as inherently out of bounds but I do see that it's not always appropriate to use certain words at times. As an MP she knows she wouldn't be able to call another MP a cunt in the House, even if she's thinking it. It's unparliamentary language and behaviour. She couldn't get away with calling one her constituents an idiot to their face, could she? We all mind our language most of the time. This phrase is not in everyday use, except perhaps by her and others like her, for it to slip so easily into her carefully considered comments in a public arena discussing a government policy. So, yes, I'll be offended and say so and not just because I'm black. " I think you and I are in agreement Lickety. I most certainly agree with you about the everyday use of language and that our political representatives (at all levels) need to be a lot more judicious in their choice of language than the rest of us. And I fully agree that we all have the right to be offended when politicians are caught using inappropriate language because they believe themselves to be 'off the record'. | |||
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"I'm sure May fill find that her majority is more important than properly dealing with a racist. " Like Corbyn properly dealt with Ken Livingston when he used anti semitic language? Oh no he didn't did he, old red Ken just got suspended, slapped on the wrist and then the suspension was lifted. | |||
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"I'm sure May fill find that her majority is more important than properly dealing with a racist. Like Corbyn properly dealt with Ken Livingston when he used anti semitic language? Oh no he didn't did he, old red Ken just got suspended, slapped on the wrist and then the suspension was lifted. " Always one trying to defend the indefensible | |||
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"I'm sure May fill find that her majority is more important than properly dealing with a racist. Like Corbyn properly dealt with Ken Livingston when he used anti semitic language? Oh no he didn't did he, old red Ken just got suspended, slapped on the wrist and then the suspension was lifted. Always one trying to defend the indefensible "I should have had the two wrongs listed on my original post. How embarrassing to miss such an obvious one.  | |||
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"I have to say I can't really what all the fuss is about... Black rappers use the word all the time and in the most derogatory of ways but apparently that's OK cos we is all ******* init... But if a white person uses it... surely it is not the word that is the problem it is the way the word is being used that is the problem... " I knew that defence would come from someone... i just have to say that i am rather disappointed it came from someone i respect.... oh and by the way... i bet you'll find a lot of black people hate that word.... and if it is use in my direction, its gets very short shrift regardless of what context it is used in....... | |||
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"I knew that defence would come from someone... i just have to say that i am rather disappointed it came from someone i respect.... oh and by the way... i bet you'll find a lot of black people hate that word.... and if it is use in my direction, its gets very short shrift regardless of what context it is used in......." I'm sorry if what I have said has offended some (many) here. I am white so I can't know how it feels to be black or brown... I am Catholic and of Irish (1st generation) decent, I had an Irish Catholic education in the equivalent of Rugby or Winchester Boys School (not quite Eton or Harrow but not far off). However I do understand discrimination, because although I had been brought up to think of myself as Irish to all my schoolmates I was one of the 4 english kids in the school. I sort of expect that being non white British feels similar at times. But just going on my experience, it is not the words that are hurtful and insulting, it is the attitudes and feelings behind the words. If I have failed in some way to understand why this word in particular is so offensive please forgive me. | |||
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"I'm sure May fill find that her majority is more important than properly dealing with a racist. Like Corbyn properly dealt with Ken Livingston when he used anti semitic language? Oh no he didn't did he, old red Ken just got suspended, slapped on the wrist and then the suspension was lifted. " I really don't understand why you always seem to think that someone else do something wrong also somehow makes this wrong done OK. It's totally irrelevant that Livingston made anti semitic remarks. | |||
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"Tbh the word is synonymous with discrimination...always has been and always will be Now that's my whole point. That the word was synonymous with discrimination in the past and is in certain parts of the English speaking world in the present does not mean it will be like that in the future unless we perpetuate its discriminatory meaning. Language evolves. It's not just the one word, it's the phrase. Do you have an evolution for nigger in the woodpile? "Yes, it was a phrase used widely in the US from about 1820 to 1950. It basically means that what appears to be is not what actually is. The phrase originally comes from the "Underground Railroad" used to smuggle slaves from the southern slave states to the northern free states in the USA. In order to smuggle the slaves across they were often hidden in railroad trucks used to carry piles of wood. | |||
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"If its true that she used that phrase then yes it's unacceptable and totally unprofessional. BUT, for those of a certain age and generation that word was part of everyday language albeit many years ago. She's 8 years older than me. That makes us the same generation. She's had more years since it's been unacceptable than since it has. Theres no excuse.This expression was never common here in any generation in the last century.Its origins are in the 19th and early 20th century. I know, I'm just countering that it's her generation. No it bloody isn't. Age or generation obviously isn't an excuse. The world moved on a long time ago. All I'm saying is that it was probably a remark which slipped out rather than something said in a malicious manner. Still, It's only right to expect better from a professional individual. And yes that word was used openly in the previous century. It wasn't uncommon for pet (black) cats to be named n***** and at one point there was a shade of black bearing that name. Thankfully we now live in more enlightened and aware times. I thought we did live in more enlightened times until this MP used this word publicly.This woman must live in some alternate reality to the rest of us where this phrase just trips off the tongue. " Nigger was also the name of the male black labrador retriever belonging to Wing Commander Guy Gibson, V.C., D.S.O., D.F.C (of Dam Busters fame). It's not for me to say how offended or unoffered people are by its use as a name for a pet animal then but I'm sure then and in that context no offence was meant. As far as it's use in this woodpile phrase is concerned I'm not sure that it's use based on the meaning and origin of the phrase, necessarily means the woman is a racist but it definitely shows a lack of sensitivity and awareness. | |||
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"The usual suspects turned up talked shit.Tried to defend it.Made themselves look like racists because at heart thats what they are .I suppose you all will be finding opportunities to drop that phrase into your next meeting.I suggest you do it within ear shot of someone non white if you have a pair swinging between your legs. It wont happen though .Spineless cunts they are. "whereas you calling people spineless cunts is ok. pot and kettle comes to mind | |||
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"The usual suspects turned up talked shit.Tried to defend it.Made themselves look like racists because at heart thats what they are .I suppose you all will be finding opportunities to drop that phrase into your next meeting.I suggest you do it within ear shot of someone non white if you have a pair swinging between your legs. It wont happen though .Spineless cunts they are.
whereas you calling people spineless cunts is ok. pot and kettle comes to mind"are you really comparing the two insults as equivalent?
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"The usual suspects turned up talked shit.Tried to defend it.Made themselves look like racists because at heart thats what they are .I suppose you all will be finding opportunities to drop that phrase into your next meeting.I suggest you do it within ear shot of someone non white if you have a pair swinging between your legs. It wont happen though .Spineless cunts they are.
whereas you calling people spineless cunts is ok. pot and kettle comes to mind
are you really comparing the two insults as equivalent?
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"The usual suspects turned up talked shit.Tried to defend it.Made themselves look like racists because at heart thats what they are .I suppose you all will be finding opportunities to drop that phrase into your next meeting.I suggest you do it within ear shot of someone non white if you have a pair swinging between your legs. It wont happen though .Spineless cunts they are.
whereas you calling people spineless cunts is ok. pot and kettle comes to mind
are you really comparing the two insults as equivalent?
you just reinforced what bob said in the first three lines of his post "He was calling people spineless cunts whereas the nigger in the wood pile was in the case being discussed used to describe a situation not a person so one is a direct insult aimed at people the other is a term that originated in the US as a term for people hiding in wood, ( yes I googled it too), it wasnt originally used as an insult any more than the term migrant was,.I have heard plenty of black people calling each others the N word without it meant as an insult. | |||
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"The usual suspects turned up talked shit.Tried to defend it.Made themselves look like racists because at heart thats what they are .I suppose you all will be finding opportunities to drop that phrase into your next meeting.I suggest you do it within ear shot of someone non white if you have a pair swinging between your legs. It wont happen though .Spineless cunts they are.
whereas you calling people spineless cunts is ok. pot and kettle comes to mind
are you really comparing the two insults as equivalent?
you just reinforced what bob said in the first three lines of his post
He was calling people spineless cunts whereas the nigger in the wood pile was in the case being discussed used to describe a situation not a person so one is a direct insult aimed at people the other is a term that originated in the US as a term for people hiding in wood, ( yes I googled it too), it wasnt originally used as an insult any more than the term migrant was,.I have heard plenty of black people calling each others the N word without it meant as an insult. "your racist appologism is quite frankly disgusting | |||
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"The usual suspects turned up talked shit.Tried to defend it.Made themselves look like racists because at heart thats what they are .I suppose you all will be finding opportunities to drop that phrase into your next meeting.I suggest you do it within ear shot of someone non white if you have a pair swinging between your legs. It wont happen though .Spineless cunts they are.
whereas you calling people spineless cunts is ok. pot and kettle comes to mind
are you really comparing the two insults as equivalent?
you just reinforced what bob said in the first three lines of his post
He was calling people spineless cunts whereas the nigger in the wood pile was in the case being discussed used to describe a situation not a person so one is a direct insult aimed at people the other is a term that originated in the US as a term for people hiding in wood, ( yes I googled it too), it wasnt originally used as an insult any more than the term migrant was,.I have heard plenty of black people calling each others the N word without it meant as an insult. "so your saying when the used that term for people hiding in the woods in America they were talking about everyone not just a particular race of people? | |||
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"The usual suspects turned up talked shit.Tried to defend it.Made themselves look like racists because at heart thats what they are .I suppose you all will be finding opportunities to drop that phrase into your next meeting.I suggest you do it within ear shot of someone non white if you have a pair swinging between your legs. It wont happen though .Spineless cunts they are.
whereas you calling people spineless cunts is ok. pot and kettle comes to mind
are you really comparing the two insults as equivalent?
you just reinforced what bob said in the first three lines of his post
He was calling people spineless cunts whereas the nigger in the wood pile was in the case being discussed used to describe a situation not a person so one is a direct insult aimed at people the other is a term that originated in the US as a term for people hiding in wood, ( yes I googled it too), it wasnt originally used as an insult any more than the term migrant was,.I have heard plenty of black people calling each others the N word without it meant as an insult. "You just dont get it do you. You dont get to use that word.It doesn't belong you.Educate yourself and watch this. https://youtu.be/jiv5j4JfFhE | |||
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"I'm sure May fill find that her majority is more important than properly dealing with a racist. Like Corbyn properly dealt with Ken Livingston when he used anti semitic language? Oh no he didn't did he, old red Ken just got suspended, slapped on the wrist and then the suspension was lifted. " thing is Centaur when Livingstone used such terms he was called out by pretty much everyone 'of the left' on this forum.. there was no one doing what your doing now, as in saying yeah but so and so once said whatever.. your either defending what she said by traipsing out a deflection or your inability and unwillingness to see wrong whomever the politics is just serving to further confirm your blinkered views.. wrong is wrong, end of.. | |||
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"I'm sure May fill find that her majority is more important than properly dealing with a racist. Like Corbyn properly dealt with Ken Livingston when he used anti semitic language? Oh no he didn't did he, old red Ken just got suspended, slapped on the wrist and then the suspension was lifted. thing is Centaur when Livingstone used such terms he was called out by pretty much everyone 'of the left' on this forum.. there was no one doing what your doing now, as in saying yeah but so and so once said whatever.. your either defending what she said by traipsing out a deflection or your inability and unwillingness to see wrong whomever the politics is just serving to further confirm your blinkered views.. wrong is wrong, end of.." That's just not true, there were plenty of lefties on here acting as apologists for the likes of Ken Livingston (and others guilty of anti semitism within the Labour party). There was no where near the same level of offence taken or faux outrage being displayed when people in Labour have made anti semitic comments. There seems to be a certain level of hypocrisy going on if you are calling for this Tory MP to be sacked now then you should have been calling for the likes of Ken Livingston and Naz Shah to be sacked from the Labour party before. At least attempt to have some level of consistency going on. | |||
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"So an aussie calling me a limey or pom is racist then or calling someone who lives in a rural backwater a yokel is as well. Must be pretty scary being on all those high horses, its an awful long way down " can't believe your lack of condemnation of racism ... utterly disgusting lack of morals | |||
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"So an aussie calling me a limey or pom is racist then or calling someone who lives in a rural backwater a yokel is as well. Must be pretty scary being on all those high horses, its an awful long way down can't believe your lack of condemnation of racism ... utterly disgusting lack of morals" I as far as I can remember I have never uttered a racist word in my life nor do I or ever have condoned racism, the difference is I can see the difference between something orsomebody that is intended to be racist and a hysterical response to a comment. Try answering my question are the examples I quoted racist ? | |||
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"So an aussie calling me a limey or pom is racist then or calling someone who lives in a rural backwater a yokel is as well. Must be pretty scary being on all those high horses, its an awful long way down can't believe your lack of condemnation of racism ... utterly disgusting lack of morals I as far as I can remember I have never uttered a racist word in my life nor do I or ever have condoned racism, the difference is I can see the difference between something orsomebody that is intended to be racist and a hysterical response to a comment. Try answering my question are the examples I quoted racist ? " try condemning racism instead of supporting it ... disgraceful | |||
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"So an aussie calling me a limey or pom is racist then or calling someone who lives in a rural backwater a yokel is as well. Must be pretty scary being on all those high horses, its an awful long way down can't believe your lack of condemnation of racism ... utterly disgusting lack of morals I as far as I can remember I have never uttered a racist word in my life nor do I or ever have condoned racism, the difference is I can see the difference between something orsomebody that is intended to be racist and a hysterical response to a comment. Try answering my question are the examples I quoted racist ? try condemning racism instead of supporting it ... disgraceful " Still not answering the question then. Racism is bad I dont believe the lady in question used it for racism, again try answering my question | |||
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"So an aussie calling me a limey or pom is racist then or calling someone who lives in a rural backwater a yokel is as well. Must be pretty scary being on all those high horses, its an awful long way down can't believe your lack of condemnation of racism ... utterly disgusting lack of morals I as far as I can remember I have never uttered a racist word in my life nor do I or ever have condoned racism, the difference is I can see the difference between something orsomebody that is intended to be racist and a hysterical response to a comment. Try answering my question are the examples I quoted racist ? try condemning racism instead of supporting it ... disgraceful Still not answering the question then. Racism is bad I dont believe the lady in question used it for racism, again try answering my question " i'm not on this site to placate your racist agenda | |||
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"So an aussie calling me a limey or pom is racist then or calling someone who lives in a rural backwater a yokel is as well. Must be pretty scary being on all those high horses, its an awful long way down " History and context plays into it. Surely you can tell the difference between a white person using the N word, and an Aussie saying 'pom'? Hint: Australians never systematically enslaved and abused the British | |||
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"So an aussie calling me a limey or pom is racist then or calling someone who lives in a rural backwater a yokel is as well. Must be pretty scary being on all those high horses, its an awful long way down can't believe your lack of condemnation of racism ... utterly disgusting lack of morals I as far as I can remember I have never uttered a racist word in my life nor do I or ever have condoned racism, the difference is I can see the difference between something orsomebody that is intended to be racist and a hysterical response to a comment. Try answering my question are the examples I quoted racist ? try condemning racism instead of supporting it ... disgraceful Still not answering the question then. Racism is bad I dont believe the lady in question used it for racism, again try answering my question i'm not on this site to placate your racist agenda " So as usual you back yourself into a corner and get caught out and cant answer a simple question, try trolling kids sites you might look clever on them | |||
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"So an aussie calling me a limey or pom is racist then or calling someone who lives in a rural backwater a yokel is as well. Must be pretty scary being on all those high horses, its an awful long way down can't believe your lack of condemnation of racism ... utterly disgusting lack of morals I as far as I can remember I have never uttered a racist word in my life nor do I or ever have condoned racism, the difference is I can see the difference between something orsomebody that is intended to be racist and a hysterical response to a comment. Try answering my question are the examples I quoted racist ? " You say that you have never said anything racist, yet you also dont know what is and what isn't racist. I would therefore suggest that you are probably not a good judge of if you have or haven't said anything racist. | |||
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"I'm sure May fill find that her majority is more important than properly dealing with a racist. Like Corbyn properly dealt with Ken Livingston when he used anti semitic language? Oh no he didn't did he, old red Ken just got suspended, slapped on the wrist and then the suspension was lifted. thing is Centaur when Livingstone used such terms he was called out by pretty much everyone 'of the left' on this forum.. there was no one doing what your doing now, as in saying yeah but so and so once said whatever.. your either defending what she said by traipsing out a deflection or your inability and unwillingness to see wrong whomever the politics is just serving to further confirm your blinkered views.. wrong is wrong, end of.. That's just not true, there were plenty of lefties on here acting as apologists for the likes of Ken Livingston (and others guilty of anti semitism within the Labour party). There was no where near the same level of offence taken or faux outrage being displayed when people in Labour have made anti semitic comments. There seems to be a certain level of hypocrisy going on if you are calling for this Tory MP to be sacked now then you should have been calling for the likes of Ken Livingston and Naz Shah to be sacked from the Labour party before. At least attempt to have some level of consistency going on. " I think the sad thing is that your first instinct was not to condemn what the conservative MP said, it was to point fingers and say "well they do it too......" As someone here said before, two wrongs don't make a right... But the amount of people here that are doing their darnedest to defend the indefensible is astounding, astonishing and really sad The will to score political points for some seem to be stronger than displaying common decency and that to me is scary.... | |||
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"So an aussie calling me a limey or pom is racist then or calling someone who lives in a rural backwater a yokel is as well. Must be pretty scary being on all those high horses, its an awful long way down can't believe your lack of condemnation of racism ... utterly disgusting lack of morals I as far as I can remember I have never uttered a racist word in my life nor do I or ever have condoned racism, the difference is I can see the difference between something orsomebody that is intended to be racist and a hysterical response to a comment. Try answering my question are the examples I quoted racist ? You say that you have never said anything racist, yet you also dont know what is and what isn't racist. I would therefore suggest that you are probably not a good judge of if you have or haven't said anything racist. " Any one who compares pom or limey or or yokel to the n word hasn't a fucking clue about racism and the history of slavery and should shut the fuck up.As that hole is getting deeper. | |||
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"So an aussie calling me a limey or pom is racist then or calling someone who lives in a rural backwater a yokel is as well. Must be pretty scary being on all those high horses, its an awful long way down can't believe your lack of condemnation of racism ... utterly disgusting lack of morals I as far as I can remember I have never uttered a racist word in my life nor do I or ever have condoned racism, the difference is I can see the difference between something orsomebody that is intended to be racist and a hysterical response to a comment. Try answering my question are the examples I quoted racist ? try condemning racism instead of supporting it ... disgraceful Still not answering the question then. Racism is bad I dont believe the lady in question used it for racism, again try answering my question i'm not on this site to placate your racist agenda So as usual you back yourself into a corner and get caught out and cant answer a simple question, try trolling kids sites you might look clever on them" actually it's you who has backed yourself into a corner and you're just trying to segue out of it by trying to debate something that has been concluded years ago.... there is no grey area and no middle ground.... if you are not condemning racism you are supporting it and you have had ample opportunity to condemn it, but have chosen not to ... your lack of moral compass on the subject is sickening | |||
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"One day I will be judged by a far higher and openminded intellect than any here and am happy to be, internet talk is cheap, its a long way down from those inflated pedestals. " Crazy jihadist and fundamentalist Christians talk like that. "God will be my judge so I'll do and say what i like." Yaweh your god was completely happy with slavery according to the bible.So I'm guessing your god would be fine with you.The rest of us on planet earth can see through the bullshit. | |||
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"I'm sure May fill find that her majority is more important than properly dealing with a racist. Like Corbyn properly dealt with Ken Livingston when he used anti semitic language? Oh no he didn't did he, old red Ken just got suspended, slapped on the wrist and then the suspension was lifted. thing is Centaur when Livingstone used such terms he was called out by pretty much everyone 'of the left' on this forum.. there was no one doing what your doing now, as in saying yeah but so and so once said whatever.. your either defending what she said by traipsing out a deflection or your inability and unwillingness to see wrong whomever the politics is just serving to further confirm your blinkered views.. wrong is wrong, end of.. That's just not true, there were plenty of lefties on here acting as apologists for the likes of Ken Livingston (and others guilty of anti semitism within the Labour party). There was no where near the same level of offence taken or faux outrage being displayed when people in Labour have made anti semitic comments. There seems to be a certain level of hypocrisy going on if you are calling for this Tory MP to be sacked now then you should have been calling for the likes of Ken Livingston and Naz Shah to be sacked from the Labour party before. At least attempt to have some level of consistency going on. " no one apologised for what Livingstone said, that's the usual claptrap that another poster drags up in relation to terrorists and is also told its baseless.. i have not called for anyone to be sacked, either of the 2 you have referred to in an attempt to deflect the issue nor the MP in question on this thread.. equally you have not indicated that you are opposed to what she has said, are you therefore in agreement with such language..? | |||
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"I'm sure May fill find that her majority is more important than properly dealing with a racist. Like Corbyn properly dealt with Ken Livingston when he used anti semitic language? Oh no he didn't did he, old red Ken just got suspended, slapped on the wrist and then the suspension was lifted. thing is Centaur when Livingstone used such terms he was called out by pretty much everyone 'of the left' on this forum.. there was no one doing what your doing now, as in saying yeah but so and so once said whatever.. your either defending what she said by traipsing out a deflection or your inability and unwillingness to see wrong whomever the politics is just serving to further confirm your blinkered views.. wrong is wrong, end of.. That's just not true, there were plenty of lefties on here acting as apologists for the likes of Ken Livingston (and others guilty of anti semitism within the Labour party). There was no where near the same level of offence taken or faux outrage being displayed when people in Labour have made anti semitic comments. There seems to be a certain level of hypocrisy going on if you are calling for this Tory MP to be sacked now then you should have been calling for the likes of Ken Livingston and Naz Shah to be sacked from the Labour party before. At least attempt to have some level of consistency going on. no one apologised for what Livingstone said, that's the usual claptrap that another poster drags up in relation to terrorists and is also told its baseless.. i have not called for anyone to be sacked, either of the 2 you have referred to in an attempt to deflect the issue nor the MP in question on this thread.. equally you have not indicated that you are opposed to what she has said, are you therefore in agreement with such language..? " Lets have these facts then please....i think by the nature of his comments clearly shows he isn't in any agreement with what she said....tbh i think only a fool could translate them any differently. And the point is he was trying to deflect it by mentioning the Livingstone thing....i know at the time i thought it was horrendous... As one poster said two wrongs dont make a right i personally think YOU are clutching at straws | |||
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"So an aussie calling me a limey or pom is racist then or calling someone who lives in a rural backwater a yokel is as well. Must be pretty scary being on all those high horses, its an awful long way down "
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"So an aussie calling me a limey or pom is racist then or calling someone who lives in a rural backwater a yokel is as well. Must be pretty scary being on all those high horses, its an awful long way down
Are you actually serious?"It would appear that people of the same race calling each other names is exactly the same and to say otherwise means you sit on a high horse. It beggars belief.
According to Devon Live, Morris's partner, also her agent, made comments at hustings about "immigrants and their high birth rates" being a problem for education too.
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"So an aussie calling me a limey or pom is racist then or calling someone who lives in a rural backwater a yokel is as well. Must be pretty scary being on all those high horses, its an awful long way down
Are you actually serious?
It would appear that people of the same race calling each other names is exactly the same and to say otherwise means you sit on a high horse. It beggars belief.
According to Devon Live, Morris's partner, also her agent, made comments at hustings about "immigrants and their high birth rates" being a problem for education too.
"he's quoted as saying, “the crisis in education was due entirely to non-British-born immigrants and their high birth rates”. | |||
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"So an aussie calling me a limey or pom is racist then or calling someone who lives in a rural backwater a yokel is as well. Must be pretty scary being on all those high horses, its an awful long way down
Are you actually serious?
It would appear that people of the same race calling each other names is exactly the same and to say otherwise means you sit on a high horse. It beggars belief.
According to Devon Live, Morris's partner, also her agent, made comments at hustings about "immigrants and their high birth rates" being a problem for education too.
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"So an aussie calling me a limey or pom is racist then or calling someone who lives in a rural backwater a yokel is as well. Must be pretty scary being on all those high horses, its an awful long way down
Are you actually serious?
It would appear that people of the same race calling each other names is exactly the same and to say otherwise means you sit on a high horse. It beggars belief.
According to Devon Live, Morris's partner, also her agent, made comments at hustings about "immigrants and their high birth rates" being a problem for education too.
Did she try to distance herself from those comments after being told by DC ?"How far can you distance yourself from your agent and partner's comments? As agent he can speak on her behalf. | |||
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"So an aussie calling me a limey or pom is racist then or calling someone who lives in a rural backwater a yokel is as well. Must be pretty scary being on all those high horses, its an awful long way down
Are you actually serious?
It would appear that people of the same race calling each other names is exactly the same and to say otherwise means you sit on a high horse. It beggars belief.
According to Devon Live, Morris's partner, also her agent, made comments at hustings about "immigrants and their high birth rates" being a problem for education too.
"I think they said the same things about the Catholics when my grandparents first came over. I'm pretty sure there were also signs proclaiming that they, the very same "niggers" and dogs were not welcome in certain pubs. I thought the world had chnaged since the 1920s. Perhaps not. | |||
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"So an aussie calling me a limey or pom is racist then or calling someone who lives in a rural backwater a yokel is as well. Must be pretty scary being on all those high horses, its an awful long way down
Are you actually serious?
It would appear that people of the same race calling each other names is exactly the same and to say otherwise means you sit on a high horse. It beggars belief.
According to Devon Live, Morris's partner, also her agent, made comments at hustings about "immigrants and their high birth rates" being a problem for education too.
Did she try to distance herself from those comments after being told by DC ?
How far can you distance yourself from your agent and partner's comments? As agent he can speak on her behalf.
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" Here’s why it’s not okay for white people to say it, no matter what Black people are doing: White people Lost the Privilege! You know that whole 500 year time period when White Europeans were buying and selling Black Africans as chattel? And remember how that whole system was enforced by a violent system of repression whereby Black slaves who did not act the way the White people wanted them to were beaten and murdered? Oh, and remember that time after slavery when Black people were locked in a system called Jim Crow that used a similar fear of violence and repression to keep Black people in “their place?” Well, in the midst of all that shit, there was a word invented by White people as a pejorative for Black people. And it was used just about every time a Black person was whipped, chained, beaten, insulted, spat upon, r@ped, lynched, or otherwise humiliated and mistreated by White people. Thus, I really don’t care how much White people want to use that word.Or see it as "just" a word. I don’t care how unfair you think it is that someone else gets to use it when we don’t.White people lost the Privilege to utter that word.Especially an elected member of parliament. "
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"I knew that defence would come from someone... i just have to say that i am rather disappointed it came from someone i respect.... oh and by the way... i bet you'll find a lot of black people hate that word.... and if it is use in my direction, its gets very short shrift regardless of what context it is used in....... I'm sorry if what I have said has offended some (many) here. I am white so I can't know how it feels to be black or brown... I am Catholic and of Irish (1st generation) decent, I had an Irish Catholic education in the equivalent of Rugby or Winchester Boys School (not quite Eton or Harrow but not far off). However I do understand discrimination, because although I had been brought up to think of myself as Irish to all my schoolmates I was one of the 4 english kids in the school. I sort of expect that being non white British feels similar at times. But just going on my experience, it is not the words that are hurtful and insulting, it is the attitudes and feelings behind the words. If I have failed in some way to understand why this word in particular is so offensive please forgive me." I really doubt your experience of being a privileged white male and all the advantage that that brought you can be compared to the discrimination people of colour face in this country. | |||
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" Here’s why it’s not okay for white people to say it, no matter what Black people are doing: White people Lost the Privilege! You know that whole 500 year time period when White Europeans were buying and selling Black Africans as chattel? And remember how that whole system was enforced by a violent system of repression whereby Black slaves who did not act the way the White people wanted them to were beaten and murdered? Oh, and remember that time after slavery when Black people were locked in a system called Jim Crow that used a similar fear of violence and repression to keep Black people in “their place?” Well, in the midst of all that shit, there was a word invented by White people as a pejorative for Black people. And it was used just about every time a Black person was whipped, chained, beaten, insulted, spat upon, r@ped, lynched, or otherwise humiliated and mistreated by White people. Thus, I really don’t care how much White people want to use that word.Or see it as "just" a word. I don’t care how unfair you think it is that someone else gets to use it when we don’t.White people lost the Privilege to utter that word.Especially an elected member of parliament. " . I applaud your sentiment but disagree completely. If we've learnt anything its that what your born with should not define you as a person nor should your relatives, otherwise we can go round and round in circles for hundreds of years getting nowhere while perpetually blaming "the past". If we're to assume that a white person can't do something because they're white then a black person can't do something because they're black, were back to the old days I prefer kings words of judging somebody not from their colour but from the content of their character, in this case I think his words hold up pretty well! | |||
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"I'm sure May fill find that her majority is more important than properly dealing with a racist. Like Corbyn properly dealt with Ken Livingston when he used anti semitic language? Oh no he didn't did he, old red Ken just got suspended, slapped on the wrist and then the suspension was lifted. thing is Centaur when Livingstone used such terms he was called out by pretty much everyone 'of the left' on this forum.. there was no one doing what your doing now, as in saying yeah but so and so once said whatever.. your either defending what she said by traipsing out a deflection or your inability and unwillingness to see wrong whomever the politics is just serving to further confirm your blinkered views.. wrong is wrong, end of.. That's just not true, there were plenty of lefties on here acting as apologists for the likes of Ken Livingston (and others guilty of anti semitism within the Labour party). There was no where near the same level of offence taken or faux outrage being displayed when people in Labour have made anti semitic comments. There seems to be a certain level of hypocrisy going on if you are calling for this Tory MP to be sacked now then you should have been calling for the likes of Ken Livingston and Naz Shah to be sacked from the Labour party before. At least attempt to have some level of consistency going on. " Thing is Centura, myself and others on here condemned what Livingston said without reservation. I'm also sure I remember some of the more extreme left defending him but for the most forumites did not but that's not really relevant. The question is what do you think about her comments, regardless of anything anyone else may have said in the past. You don't need to say she's racist if you don't think she is. I've already said myself that I don't think, considering the context in which it was used, the actual meaning of the phrase and its historical origins, it necessarily means she's a racist. So why not just say what you actually think about it and stop hiding behind something someone else said. | |||
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"I'm sure May fill find that her majority is more important than properly dealing with a racist. Like Corbyn properly dealt with Ken Livingston when he used anti semitic language? Oh no he didn't did he, old red Ken just got suspended, slapped on the wrist and then the suspension was lifted. thing is Centaur when Livingstone used such terms he was called out by pretty much everyone 'of the left' on this forum.. there was no one doing what your doing now, as in saying yeah but so and so once said whatever.. your either defending what she said by traipsing out a deflection or your inability and unwillingness to see wrong whomever the politics is just serving to further confirm your blinkered views.. wrong is wrong, end of.. That's just not true, there were plenty of lefties on here acting as apologists for the likes of Ken Livingston (and others guilty of anti semitism within the Labour party). There was no where near the same level of offence taken or faux outrage being displayed when people in Labour have made anti semitic comments. There seems to be a certain level of hypocrisy going on if you are calling for this Tory MP to be sacked now then you should have been calling for the likes of Ken Livingston and Naz Shah to be sacked from the Labour party before. At least attempt to have some level of consistency going on. Thing is Centura, myself and others on here condemned what Livingston said without reservation. I'm also sure I remember some of the more extreme left defending him but for the most forumites did not but that's not really relevant. The question is what do you think about her comments, regardless of anything anyone else may have said in the past. You don't need to say she's racist if you don't think she is. I've already said myself that I don't think, considering the context in which it was used, the actual meaning of the phrase and its historical origins, it necessarily means she's a racist. So why not just say what you actually think about it and stop hiding behind something someone else said." Shes a racist her hubby is also a raciest it runs in the family | |||
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" Here’s why it’s not okay for white people to say it, no matter what Black people are doing: White people Lost the Privilege! You know that whole 500 year time period when White Europeans were buying and selling Black Africans as chattel? And remember how that whole system was enforced by a violent system of repression whereby Black slaves who did not act the way the White people wanted them to were beaten and murdered? Oh, and remember that time after slavery when Black people were locked in a system called Jim Crow that used a similar fear of violence and repression to keep Black people in “their place?” Well, in the midst of all that shit, there was a word invented by White people as a pejorative for Black people. And it was used just about every time a Black person was whipped, chained, beaten, insulted, spat upon, r@ped, lynched, or otherwise humiliated and mistreated by White people. Thus, I really don’t care how much White people want to use that word.Or see it as "just" a word. I don’t care how unfair you think it is that someone else gets to use it when we don’t.White people lost the Privilege to utter that word.Especially an elected member of parliament. . I applaud your sentiment but disagree completely. If we've learnt anything its that what your born with should not define you as a person nor should your relatives, otherwise we can go round and round in circles for hundreds of years getting nowhere while perpetually blaming "the past". If we're to assume that a white person can't do something because they're white then a black person can't do something because they're black, were back to the old days I prefer kings words of judging somebody not from their colour but from the content of their character, in this case I think his words hold up pretty well!" where your particular brand of apologism falls to bits is the words anne morris used judge people by their colour .... so instead of defending do the right thing and try condemning instead | |||
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" Here’s why it’s not okay for white people to say it, no matter what Black people are doing: White people Lost the Privilege! You know that whole 500 year time period when White Europeans were buying and selling Black Africans as chattel? And remember how that whole system was enforced by a violent system of repression whereby Black slaves who did not act the way the White people wanted them to were beaten and murdered? Oh, and remember that time after slavery when Black people were locked in a system called Jim Crow that used a similar fear of violence and repression to keep Black people in “their place?” Well, in the midst of all that shit, there was a word invented by White people as a pejorative for Black people. And it was used just about every time a Black person was whipped, chained, beaten, insulted, spat upon, r@ped, lynched, or otherwise humiliated and mistreated by White people. Thus, I really don’t care how much White people want to use that word.Or see it as "just" a word. I don’t care how unfair you think it is that someone else gets to use it when we don’t.White people lost the Privilege to utter that word.Especially an elected member of parliament. . I applaud your sentiment but disagree completely. If we've learnt anything its that what your born with should not define you as a person nor should your relatives, otherwise we can go round and round in circles for hundreds of years getting nowhere while perpetually blaming "the past". If we're to assume that a white person can't do something because they're white then a black person can't do something because they're black, were back to the old days I prefer kings words of judging somebody not from their colour but from the content of their character, in this case I think his words hold up pretty well!" "should not", but sadly "does" and so, black people reclaiming the word is still valid. | |||
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" Here’s why it’s not okay for white people to say it, no matter what Black people are doing: White people Lost the Privilege! You know that whole 500 year time period when White Europeans were buying and selling Black Africans as chattel? And remember how that whole system was enforced by a violent system of repression whereby Black slaves who did not act the way the White people wanted them to were beaten and murdered? Oh, and remember that time after slavery when Black people were locked in a system called Jim Crow that used a similar fear of violence and repression to keep Black people in “their place?” Well, in the midst of all that shit, there was a word invented by White people as a pejorative for Black people. And it was used just about every time a Black person was whipped, chained, beaten, insulted, spat upon, r@ped, lynched, or otherwise humiliated and mistreated by White people. Thus, I really don’t care how much White people want to use that word.Or see it as "just" a word. I don’t care how unfair you think it is that someone else gets to use it when we don’t.White people lost the Privilege to utter that word.Especially an elected member of parliament. . I applaud your sentiment but disagree completely. If we've learnt anything its that what your born with should not define you as a person nor should your relatives, otherwise we can go round and round in circles for hundreds of years getting nowhere while perpetually blaming "the past". If we're to assume that a white person can't do something because they're white then a black person can't do something because they're black, were back to the old days I prefer kings words of judging somebody not from their colour but from the content of their character, in this case I think his words hold up pretty well!" I understand where you comming from but kings dream never really manifested its self and he was murdered for speaking such things. Unfortunately we live in a world were the colour of mans skin is more relevant than the colour of his eyes.You just have to look at the prison sytem in the USA or the body count by police officers over there I mentioned privileges lost because of history.For me the ultimate example of white privilege would be to give white people that word. They're not entitled to it.I personally never ever hear it from the black half of my family.Its an African American word predominantly.Its not common in afro Caribbean peoples vocabulary or Africans . The history of the word and the taking of it back is rooted in the USA. I think the UK is far less racist than the USA but every now and again some relic pops up and utters this word casually in conversation and not one other MP at that meeting blinked or pulled her up. | |||
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