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"We're simply in a damage limitation situation now right? I don't think there are many crazies out there still trying to argue that Brexit is a good idea. But seeing as a lot of the damage has been done to the economy, Moody's ratings, the countries reputation, nose diving pound etc, simply cancelling Brexit (aside from the question if this is even possible) might not be the least bad option. " That is right and brexit is already starting to make families poorer and mark corney forecast doesnt look good. | |||
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"Lots more unsubstantiated nonsense from the Brexiters. UK manufacturing in May fell including a 4.4% drop in car production. Construction output fell by 2.4% since february. And the UKs trade deficit (which Brexiters have been complaining about for a year) widened by over 33% just in April to May. And the Sterling weakened even further sending import prices and cost of living higher. Also the idea that the UK can replace the deals that the EU has with other countries would rely on the UK somehow getting a better deal than than the EU has (although no one can explain why apart from the Britishness of the negotiating team somehow magically making this happen). And it would require the UK to replace 115 deals, have both sides ratify and implement them before March 2019. Not gonna happen. To get 1 comprehensive deal done before then would be a world first, to get multiple deals and somehow getting better deals would be the greatest feat in all of negotiations throughout world history. Never have any nations been that efficient and effective. Not even fractionally close to that. 1 deal would be impressive to pull off. And business will not find a way. If Britain leaves without replacing MRAs it doesnt matter how fast computers are, how eager everyone is to trade, the legal frameworks have to be, negotiated, set up and implemented unless you want a flood of dangerous, unchecked goods flooding the market. And to pick up on 1 comment from the other thread; French farmers arent supporting a good deal for the UK on Brexit. In fact theyre asking for a hard border in Northern Ireland so that food from the UK wont enter the EU over the soft border and none of their food will enter Britain either. Once again the Brexiters assume their consumption of EU goods is vital to EU business despite those businesses seeing more opportunity in forcing out British rivals and taking their customers." I agree if I was a German car manufacturer it would be in my benefit to see the end of jaguar land-rover | |||
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"Lots of people voted to leave for emotional independence reasons rather than financial ones. Many others realized that it may be financially harder in the short term and better in the long term. There are people that voted remain but now believe that leaving is the right idea." Overall pro EU feeling has gone up by 10% in the UK in the last year. And with very few new positive developments regarding Brexit its very, very difficult to see more than a handful going from remain to Brexit since the referendum. | |||
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"We're simply in a damage limitation situation now right? I don't think there are many crazies out there still trying to argue that Brexit is a good idea. But seeing as a lot of the damage has been done to the economy, Moody's ratings, the countries reputation, nose diving pound etc, simply cancelling Brexit (aside from the question if this is even possible) might not be the least bad option. " Theres still a few crazies on here still arguing that its a good idea  | |||
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"Continue here, they feel that uk might realise what a mistake they will do as they are in uncharted territory, that was after wolfgang schäubles comment this week, what is your view? Will brexit happen? I reckon it wont "I told my friends before Brexit that we wouldn't leave and then the results came out and I said we still won't leave. We won't leave because it matters more that we stay for the real money makers  watch and hark mg words...we will badger about and perhaps years will pass but leave we will not.  | |||
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"Lots of people voted to leave for emotional independence reasons rather than financial ones. Many others realized that it may be financially harder in the short term and better in the long term. There are people that voted remain but now believe that leaving is the right idea. Overall pro EU feeling has gone up by 10% in the UK in the last year. And with very few new positive developments regarding Brexit its very, very difficult to see more than a handful going from remain to Brexit since the referendum." That's just not true, 85% of the voting electorate voted for parties with Brexit manifestos. The country really has voted for Brexit twice now, once in the referendum last year and twice now with the general election this year. | |||
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"Lots of people voted to leave for emotional independence reasons rather than financial ones. Many others realized that it may be financially harder in the short term and better in the long term. There are people that voted remain but now believe that leaving is the right idea. Overall pro EU feeling has gone up by 10% in the UK in the last year. And with very few new positive developments regarding Brexit its very, very difficult to see more than a handful going from remain to Brexit since the referendum. That's just not true, 85% of the voting electorate voted for parties with Brexit manifestos. The country really has voted for Brexit twice now, once in the referendum last year and twice now with the general election this year. " .. | |||
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"Lots of people voted to leave for emotional independence reasons rather than financial ones. Many others realized that it may be financially harder in the short term and better in the long term. There are people that voted remain but now believe that leaving is the right idea." I find It funny that a lot of Labour supporters say they voted Labour at the general election knowing it would be financially tough in the short term but they believed they would be better off in the long term. It's usually these same people (Labour remainers) who disagree with an oppose Brexit when Leave voters say the same thing that Brexit will be tough in the short term but the country will be better off in the long term. | |||
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"We're simply in a damage limitation situation now right? I don't think there are many crazies out there still trying to argue that Brexit is a good idea. But seeing as a lot of the damage has been done to the economy, Moody's ratings, the countries reputation, nose diving pound etc, simply cancelling Brexit (aside from the question if this is even possible) might not be the least bad option. Theres still a few crazies on here still arguing that its a good idea "Why do you feel, despite the majority of the voters pumping for leave, that THEY are the crazy ones? | |||
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"Lots of people voted to leave for emotional independence reasons rather than financial ones. Many others realized that it may be financially harder in the short term and better in the long term. There are people that voted remain but now believe that leaving is the right idea. I find It funny that a lot of Labour supporters say they voted Labour at the general election knowing it would be financially tough in the short term but they believed they would be better off in the long term. It's usually these same people (Labour remainers) who disagree with an oppose Brexit when Leave voters say the same thing that Brexit will be tough in the short term but the country will be better off in the long term. " Generally people who vote Labour do so to improve public services. Brexit will destroy public services due to a fall in tax revenues. Why do you think so many Tories like Brexit? They have always wanted to destroy our public services. | |||
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"We're simply in a damage limitation situation now right? I don't think there are many crazies out there still trying to argue that Brexit is a good idea. But seeing as a lot of the damage has been done to the economy, Moody's ratings, the countries reputation, nose diving pound etc, simply cancelling Brexit (aside from the question if this is even possible) might not be the least bad option. Theres still a few crazies on here still arguing that its a good idea
Why do you feel, despite the majority of the voters pumping for leave, that THEY are the crazy ones?"Because the majority aren't pumping for leave! | |||
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"We're simply in a damage limitation situation now right? I don't think there are many crazies out there still trying to argue that Brexit is a good idea. But seeing as a lot of the damage has been done to the economy, Moody's ratings, the countries reputation, nose diving pound etc, simply cancelling Brexit (aside from the question if this is even possible) might not be the least bad option. Theres still a few crazies on here still arguing that its a good idea
Why do you feel, despite the majority of the voters pumping for leave, that THEY are the crazy ones?
Because the majority aren't pumping for leave! "...Where are these voters that have changed their minds....i can't find any of them...another remainer fantasy. | |||
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"We're simply in a damage limitation situation now right? I don't think there are many crazies out there still trying to argue that Brexit is a good idea. But seeing as a lot of the damage has been done to the economy, Moody's ratings, the countries reputation, nose diving pound etc, simply cancelling Brexit (aside from the question if this is even possible) might not be the least bad option. Theres still a few crazies on here still arguing that its a good idea
Why do you feel, despite the majority of the voters pumping for leave, that THEY are the crazy ones?
Because the majority aren't pumping for leave! ...Where are these voters that have changed their minds....i can't find any of them...another remainer fantasy."http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-4657716/Remain-win-Brexit-referendum-held-poll-claims.html Maybe the Mail are just a bunch of EU loving pansies too in your opinion? | |||
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"We're simply in a damage limitation situation now right? I don't think there are many crazies out there still trying to argue that Brexit is a good idea. But seeing as a lot of the damage has been done to the economy, Moody's ratings, the countries reputation, nose diving pound etc, simply cancelling Brexit (aside from the question if this is even possible) might not be the least bad option. Theres still a few crazies on here still arguing that its a good idea
Why do you feel, despite the majority of the voters pumping for leave, that THEY are the crazy ones?
Because the majority aren't pumping for leave! ...Where are these voters that have changed their minds....i can't find any of them...another remainer fantasy.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-4657716/Remain-win-Brexit-referendum-held-poll-claims.html
Maybe the Mail are just a bunch of EU loving pansies too in your opinion? ".....Polls have had their day....to unreliable...as you know. | |||
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"We're simply in a damage limitation situation now right? I don't think there are many crazies out there still trying to argue that Brexit is a good idea. But seeing as a lot of the damage has been done to the economy, Moody's ratings, the countries reputation, nose diving pound etc, simply cancelling Brexit (aside from the question if this is even possible) might not be the least bad option. Theres still a few crazies on here still arguing that its a good idea
Why do you feel, despite the majority of the voters pumping for leave, that THEY are the crazy ones?
Because the majority aren't pumping for leave! ...Where are these voters that have changed their minds....i can't find any of them...another remainer fantasy.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-4657716/Remain-win-Brexit-referendum-held-poll-claims.html
Maybe the Mail are just a bunch of EU loving pansies too in your opinion? .....Polls have had their day....to unreliable...as you know."So what form of proof would you find acceptable? | |||
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"We're simply in a damage limitation situation now right? I don't think there are many crazies out there still trying to argue that Brexit is a good idea. But seeing as a lot of the damage has been done to the economy, Moody's ratings, the countries reputation, nose diving pound etc, simply cancelling Brexit (aside from the question if this is even possible) might not be the least bad option. Theres still a few crazies on here still arguing that its a good idea
Why do you feel, despite the majority of the voters pumping for leave, that THEY are the crazy ones?
Because the majority aren't pumping for leave! ...Where are these voters that have changed their minds....i can't find any of them...another remainer fantasy.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-4657716/Remain-win-Brexit-referendum-held-poll-claims.html
Maybe the Mail are just a bunch of EU loving pansies too in your opinion? .....Polls have had their day....to unreliable...as you know.
So what form of proof would you find acceptable?"...24th June..2016. | |||
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"I want Brexit but not at any price. I do not want to see my country torn apart for decades. Stop in and fight the EU from within. Macron has publicly said that the EU needs to reform. Let's get rid of this toxic cancer of Brexit, and get on his bus." No ta, I really don't like the look of Macron and Merkels EU. They both want more EU integration now, it's headed for a united states of Europe and that's exactly what I voted against when I voted Leave. I don't want any part of it and preferred we were fully out rather than half in. | |||
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"We're simply in a damage limitation situation now right? I don't think there are many crazies out there still trying to argue that Brexit is a good idea. But seeing as a lot of the damage has been done to the economy, Moody's ratings, the countries reputation, nose diving pound etc, simply cancelling Brexit (aside from the question if this is even possible) might not be the least bad option. Theres still a few crazies on here still arguing that its a good idea
Why do you feel, despite the majority of the voters pumping for leave, that THEY are the crazy ones?
Because the majority aren't pumping for leave! ...Where are these voters that have changed their minds....i can't find any of them...another remainer fantasy.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-4657716/Remain-win-Brexit-referendum-held-poll-claims.html
Maybe the Mail are just a bunch of EU loving pansies too in your opinion? "It's an opinion poll with a small sample of people. The real polls were the EU referendum last year and the general election this year and the parties with Brexit manifestos got a combined 85% of the vote. | |||
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"We're simply in a damage limitation situation now right? I don't think there are many crazies out there still trying to argue that Brexit is a good idea. But seeing as a lot of the damage has been done to the economy, Moody's ratings, the countries reputation, nose diving pound etc, simply cancelling Brexit (aside from the question if this is even possible) might not be the least bad option. Theres still a few crazies on here still arguing that its a good idea
Why do you feel, despite the majority of the voters pumping for leave, that THEY are the crazy ones?
Because the majority aren't pumping for leave! ...Where are these voters that have changed their minds....i can't find any of them...another remainer fantasy.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-4657716/Remain-win-Brexit-referendum-held-poll-claims.html
Maybe the Mail are just a bunch of EU loving pansies too in your opinion?
It's an opinion poll with a small sample of people. The real polls were the EU referendum last year and the general election this year and the parties with Brexit manifestos got a combined 85% of the vote. "Young people voted Labour in spite of their Brexit position, not because of it. | |||
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The desperation of trying to claim Brexit is still the popular choice.
People dont agree with every single thing in a manifesto. We all know remainers voted for Labour and Tory candidates. Its just being childish to pretend otherwise.
And polls are still accurate. Several polls predicted Brexit and almost all said it would be in the margin of error. Trump/Clinton was bang on for the popular vote. And every election in Europe and America since then has had reliable polling. Tiresome and uninformed criticism of polling just because you dont like the results. | |||
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"We're simply in a damage limitation situation now right? I don't think there are many crazies out there still trying to argue that Brexit is a good idea. But seeing as a lot of the damage has been done to the economy, Moody's ratings, the countries reputation, nose diving pound etc, simply cancelling Brexit (aside from the question if this is even possible) might not be the least bad option. Theres still a few crazies on here still arguing that its a good idea
Why do you feel, despite the majority of the voters pumping for leave, that THEY are the crazy ones?
Because the majority aren't pumping for leave! ...Where are these voters that have changed their minds....i can't find any of them...another remainer fantasy.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-4657716/Remain-win-Brexit-referendum-held-poll-claims.html
Maybe the Mail are just a bunch of EU loving pansies too in your opinion?
It's an opinion poll with a small sample of people. The real polls were the EU referendum last year and the general election this year and the parties with Brexit manifestos got a combined 85% of the vote. "Hey genius 85% of the population didnt vote....its this the same distorted facts like the 350m.....i do wonder about your facts all the time...and tbh if you said it was Saturday today id go look at the calendar | |||
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"We're simply in a damage limitation situation now right? I don't think there are many crazies out there still trying to argue that Brexit is a good idea. But seeing as a lot of the damage has been done to the economy, Moody's ratings, the countries reputation, nose diving pound etc, simply cancelling Brexit (aside from the question if this is even possible) might not be the least bad option. Theres still a few crazies on here still arguing that its a good idea
Why do you feel, despite the majority of the voters pumping for leave, that THEY are the crazy ones?
Because the majority aren't pumping for leave! ...Where are these voters that have changed their minds....i can't find any of them...another remainer fantasy.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-4657716/Remain-win-Brexit-referendum-held-poll-claims.html
Maybe the Mail are just a bunch of EU loving pansies too in your opinion?
It's an opinion poll with a small sample of people. The real polls were the EU referendum last year and the general election this year and the parties with Brexit manifestos got a combined 85% of the vote.
Hey genius 85% of the population didnt vote....its this the same distorted facts like the 350m.....i do wonder about your facts all the time...and tbh if you said it was Saturday today id go look at the calendar "He said 85% of the vote, not 85% of the population If that was your point, because it is unclear as you say "85% of the population didn't vote", which is completely untrue. Gald to be of assistance  | |||
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"So a brexit reversal? Is that really possible? I believe that somewhere on article 50 there is a clause that states a leaving member can apply to rejoin in the future. As long as they achieve the qualifying criteria! Which leads me nicely on to qualifying criteria, how did a few countries get in the eu anyway? Ask yourself this question over and over again. Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy, all the former eastern block crowd, how on earth did they reach the criteria. Because the goal post where moved for them. The eu is a club, a rich or not so rich club controlled by a few elites. Oh boy two stand out at the moment Merkel and Macron all in the pocket of controlling billionaires. Macron the saviour of the EU! Let's hope he sorts out France first because they are skint! EU what a fantastic project, someone is getting rich off the back of it and it isn't you or me!" The Article 50 notice we gave was not valid, so we could stop this madness at any time if we had a government with any balls to own up to their mistake: http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/17002040 -Matt | |||
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"So a brexit reversal? Is that really possible? I believe that somewhere on article 50 there is a clause that states a leaving member can apply to rejoin in the future. As long as they achieve the qualifying criteria! Which leads me nicely on to qualifying criteria, how did a few countries get in the eu anyway? Ask yourself this question over and over again. Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy, all the former eastern block crowd, how on earth did they reach the criteria. Because the goal post where moved for them. The eu is a club, a rich or not so rich club controlled by a few elites. Oh boy two stand out at the moment Merkel and Macron all in the pocket of controlling billionaires. Macron the saviour of the EU! Let's hope he sorts out France first because they are skint! EU what a fantastic project, someone is getting rich off the back of it and it isn't you or me! The Article 50 notice we gave was not valid, so we could stop this madness at any time if we had a government with any balls to own up to their mistake: http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/17002040 -Matt" What mistake is that Matt ? I must say i find your posts hilarious not funny,just hilarious ?? | |||
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" And what do you mean by 'ripples'?. Is that ordinary working people loosing their jobs and livelihoods? Is that the 'ripples' your talking about?" people have been losing jobs etc forever, nothing really to do with the Eu. " So it will be worth it when an extra 500,000 to 1,000,000 as a direct result of BREXIT loose their jobs and livelihoods? We won't even noticed it? Seriously! | |||
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" How the hell do u know it's 20%-40% cracken can u see in to the future ? " You've misread what I wrote. I was pointing out that we do about 40% of our trade with the EU (actually 44%), we do about 20% of our trade with countries that are not actually in the EU but with which we have trade deals with through the EU (actually 18%) and we do about 40% of our trade with countries that are not in the EU and with which we have no trade agreements with (actually 38%) To clarify the point further: over 60% of our trade is either with countries that are in the EU or with which we have trade agreements with through the EU. | |||
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"Lots of people voted to leave for emotional independence reasons rather than financial ones. Many others realized that it may be financially harder in the short term and better in the long term. There are people that voted remain but now believe that leaving is the right idea. Overall pro EU feeling has gone up by 10% in the UK in the last year. And with very few new positive developments regarding Brexit its very, very difficult to see more than a handful going from remain to Brexit since the referendum. That's just not true, 85% of the voting electorate voted for parties with Brexit manifestos. The country really has voted for Brexit twice now, once in the referendum last year and twice now with the general election this year. " You just can't help yourself from spreading BREXIT bullshit. We've been through the Labour manifesto with you line by line and the only two things it clearly says is that Labour supports the EU (but not necessarily leaving the Single Market or Customs Union) and that the economically suicidal hard 'no deal is better than a bad deal' BREXIT is not an option. | |||
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"We're simply in a damage limitation situation now right? I don't think there are many crazies out there still trying to argue that Brexit is a good idea. But seeing as a lot of the damage has been done to the economy, Moody's ratings, the countries reputation, nose diving pound etc, simply cancelling Brexit (aside from the question if this is even possible) might not be the least bad option. Theres still a few crazies on here still arguing that its a good idea
Why do you feel, despite the majority of the voters pumping for leave, that THEY are the crazy ones?"If I was on a bus and the majority voted to drive the bus off the edge of a cliff I'd still thing they were crazy even if I was the only one who didn't vote to drive off the edge of the cliff. However, in this bus, 1/3rd were asleep when asked, just under 1/3rd said no and just over 1/3rd, in the mistaken believe that over the brow of the hill was a gentle slope, voted to drive over the edge. | |||
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"Lots of people voted to leave for emotional independence reasons rather than financial ones. Many others realized that it may be financially harder in the short term and better in the long term. There are people that voted remain but now believe that leaving is the right idea. I find It funny that a lot of Labour supporters say they voted Labour at the general election knowing it would be financially tough in the short term but they believed they would be better off in the long term. It's usually these same people (Labour remainers) who disagree with an oppose Brexit when Leave voters say the same thing that Brexit will be tough in the short term but the country will be better off in the long term. " I haven't heard any Labour supporters saying that but I'll take your word on it for now. However most of the older people I know who voted Labour voted Labour because they 'knew' Corbyn's Labour couldn't win but also believed that a stronger Labour party would be more able to stop an economically suicidal hard BREXIT (personally I think they would have been better served voting LibDem). Most of the younger people I know who voted Labour did so for two reasons, the first the same as above and the second because they believed that both parties policies were likely to cause economic hardships but at least Labour's policies were going to give them £30,000+ back in student debt relief. Just to clarify, when I say most of the people who voted Labour in this context I mean most of the people who don't or wouldn't normally vote Labour but did this time. | |||
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"We're simply in a damage limitation situation now right? I don't think there are many crazies out there still trying to argue that Brexit is a good idea. But seeing as a lot of the damage has been done to the economy, Moody's ratings, the countries reputation, nose diving pound etc, simply cancelling Brexit (aside from the question if this is even possible) might not be the least bad option. Theres still a few crazies on here still arguing that its a good idea
Why do you feel, despite the majority of the voters pumping for leave, that THEY are the crazy ones?
Because the majority aren't pumping for leave! ...Where are these voters that have changed their minds....i can't find any of them...another remainer fantasy.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-4657716/Remain-win-Brexit-referendum-held-poll-claims.html
Maybe the Mail are just a bunch of EU loving pansies too in your opinion?
It's an opinion poll with a small sample of people. The real polls were the EU referendum last year and the general election this year and the parties with Brexit manifestos got a combined 85% of the vote. "But parties opposed to a hard BREXIT or in favour of no BREXIT at all got 58% of the vote. | |||
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"So a brexit reversal? Is that really possible? I believe that somewhere on article 50 there is a clause that states a leaving member can apply to rejoin in the future. As long as they achieve the qualifying criteria! Which leads me nicely on to qualifying criteria, how did a few countries get in the eu anyway? Ask yourself this question over and over again. Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy, all the former eastern block crowd, how on earth did they reach the criteria. Because the goal post where moved for them. The eu is a club, a rich or not so rich club controlled by a few elites. Oh boy two stand out at the moment Merkel and Macron all in the pocket of controlling billionaires. Macron the saviour of the EU! Let's hope he sorts out France first because they are skint! EU what a fantastic project, someone is getting rich off the back of it and it isn't you or me! The Article 50 notice we gave was not valid, so we could stop this madness at any time if we had a government with any balls to own up to their mistake: http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/17002040 -Matt" I actually pointed this very point of law out over a year ago just after the referendum and again just after May's letter at the end of March. The problem is is that BREXITers understand the law and the concept of due process even less well than they understand the principles of international and bilateral state diplomacy and trade agreements | |||
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"Brexit is easy to stop. Just say we want to stop. It is not a fair accompli but a barely started process" Actually not so... Articles 49 and 50 of the Treaty of Lisbon are unambiguous. Regardless of the lawfulness of Mrs May's letter triggering Article 50 on the 29th March 2017 once article 50 was triggered we were on a 2 year countdown to exiting the EU. We leave the EU at midnight 28th March 2019 regardless of what settlement (if any) is in place. The only way to stop this from happening is if: ALL 27 remaining counties agree unanimously to extend transition time or suspend our leaving altogether, AND the EU parliament AND EU Commission concur. As Belgium has a referendum system where EU decisions are involved and it requires all Belgian regions to agree before Belgium can vote yes and one Belgian region has been continually voting no to all EU matters for local political reasons I cant see all 27 remaining states voting to either let us stay or even to extend the leaving period. That many of the EU bureaucratic elite think brexit is reversible is nothing more than wishful thinking. | |||
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"Brexit is easy to stop. Just say we want to stop. It is not a fair accompli but a barely started process Actually not so... Articles 49 and 50 of the Treaty of Lisbon are unambiguous. Regardless of the lawfulness of Mrs May's letter triggering Article 50 on the 29th March 2017 once article 50 was triggered we were on a 2 year countdown to exiting the EU. We leave the EU at midnight 28th March 2019 regardless of what settlement (if any) is in place. The only way to stop this from happening is if: ALL 27 remaining counties agree unanimously to extend transition time or suspend our leaving altogether, AND the EU parliament AND EU Commission concur. As Belgium has a referendum system where EU decisions are involved and it requires all Belgian regions to agree before Belgium can vote yes and one Belgian region has been continually voting no to all EU matters for local political reasons I cant see all 27 remaining states voting to either let us stay or even to extend the leaving period. That many of the EU bureaucratic elite think brexit is reversible is nothing more than wishful thinking." The guy who actually wrote article 50 says that its reversible, its something that will be taken to the ECJ Im sure. | |||
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"I can't see how brexit will be stopped. The simple truth is brexit has now developed it's own momentum and it is my opinion that it would be suicidal for any English politician to attempt to stop it now (and it would require the vast majority of English politicians to agree to stop brexit even to attempt to stop it). " I am not sure that you are correct there. The more complex and mind fugglingly laborious this whole issue becomes, the more weary people will be of it. Add in some gloomy economic data and a Winter of discontent and people will soon start to wonder what it is all supposed to be about, | |||
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"The guy who actually wrote article 50 says that its reversible, its something that will be taken to the ECJ Im sure." The guy who wrote it is saying that he did not mean it in the way it is being interpreted, and can therefore be challenged in the courts... This happens all the time. Those who draught laws fail to understand that what they write not what they meant to write is what is passed into law. The Treaty of Lisbon is very clear in what it says, there is no room for interpretation, we and the EU are stuck with it until the EU (minus us) rewrites it at some future date. | |||
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"We're simply in a damage limitation situation now right? I don't think there are many crazies out there still trying to argue that Brexit is a good idea. But seeing as a lot of the damage has been done to the economy, Moody's ratings, the countries reputation, nose diving pound etc, simply cancelling Brexit (aside from the question if this is even possible) might not be the least bad option. Theres still a few crazies on here still arguing that its a good idea
Why do you feel, despite the majority of the voters pumping for leave, that THEY are the crazy ones?
Because the majority aren't pumping for leave! "But they did. There was a vote last year. | |||
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"We're simply in a damage limitation situation now right? I don't think there are many crazies out there still trying to argue that Brexit is a good idea. But seeing as a lot of the damage has been done to the economy, Moody's ratings, the countries reputation, nose diving pound etc, simply cancelling Brexit (aside from the question if this is even possible) might not be the least bad option. Theres still a few crazies on here still arguing that its a good idea
Why do you feel, despite the majority of the voters pumping for leave, that THEY are the crazy ones?
Because the majority aren't pumping for leave!
But they did. There was a vote last year.
"That was last year, the point is people's attitudes have changed. Brexit is looking scarier now. Well actually it's looking like chaos. We could, in theory, have another referendum on this, most people agree the outcome would be different. That vote would also be the, most recent, "will of the people"... | |||
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" That's just not true, 85% of the voting electorate voted for parties with Brexit manifestos. The country really has voted for Brexit twice now, once in the referendum last year and twice now with the general election this year. " Another fine "nugget of wisdom" Pacepalm emoji here | |||
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"I do think many would vote differently if another referendum was held now. People have been subjected to far more information as to what's involved in this last few months compared to the lies and bullshit from both sides last year." Not really any for info just more posturing from both sides so far. There is not one bit of confirmed action yet from either the EU or the UK, talks have hardly started when the talks have ended then we will begin to see how things may then pan out, but of course it may well be a few years down te line until we can tell the true affect of leaving.Personally apart from how it will impact on the citizens from both sides I think we would be just as well leaving today and then talk about trade etc. All this garbage going on is just causing more uncertainty and that IS bad for any buusiness once facts are know then we can react. The belgian region will veto any agreement if they dont like it so what is the point | |||
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"Well said "Indeed, it's great to see that both of you two posters have finally admitted that brexit is bad for business and bad for Britain | |||
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"U dint AV a clue if it's going to be bad or worse no one does it's going to be up and downs probs but isn't that life or do u just plod on in life doing the same shit Lets just enjoy the ride see were it takes us and stop shitting yrselves man up lol " Sorry I thought you just said "well said" to "All this garbage going on is just causing more uncertainty and that IS bad for any buusiness" | |||
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"It was for the full post not just the but u pulled out,. talks have just started and ppl already posting negative shit on here it's like they want the UK to fail or be worse of just don't get you guys at all " if you're walking down shit Creek closing your eyes and pretending it's paradise won't stop you from smelling shit brexit is already bad all this talk of people on here being negative is bullshit. You can believe that you can fly all you want..it wouldn't stop you from hitting the ground if you jump | |||
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"It was for the full post not just the but u pulled out,. talks have just started and ppl already posting negative shit on here it's like they want the UK to fail or be worse of just don't get you guys at all " You're right, you dont get it at all! Remainers DONT want the UK to fail, we want to stay in and thrive, not leave and have barrier after barrier pop up all around us. That is extactly what Brexiters are trying to do. Before the referendum we used to be the fastest growing county in the G8, now we are the slowest! In June 2016 inflation was 0.5%, in May 2017 it was 2.9%, inflation is higher than, and rising faster than wages, meaning that people are earning less at the end of the year than they were at the start of the year. So many Brexiters talk about the trade deficit, that the UK imports more than it exports. The pound has plummeted so goods from other countries are more expensive, and as we export less than we import this has a net negative impact on UK finances. The fall in the pound has also opened up black holes in government departments such as the MoD which now has a £700m gap. All of these things are showing that Brexit is causing a decline in the UK. So which side exactly wants the UK to fail? | |||
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"It was for the full post not just the but u pulled out,. talks have just started and ppl already posting negative shit on here it's like they want the UK to fail or be worse of just don't get you guys at all " You are clearly not following the news. The UK was forced to abandon its negotiating position right from the start - a so called red line that wasn't a red line at all. David Davis Commander-In-Chief of Brexiting an organisation that he knows nothing about first called the process simple in August of last year and he infamously announced that "the UK would get as good as, if not a better deal with the EU than the one we have as EU Members". The ignorance of this statement remains the pinnacle of the UK's confused understanding of what the EU actually is and what the UK's place is in the EU. I suggest you watch and read a variety of new resources and watch the Conservative Party lead this country step by step into oblivion. It is only a matter of time before people wake up to this nonsense and question what the fuck we are doing sticking knives in our arses and walking down the path full of broken glass. | |||
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"Doesn't matter what u want tho we are leaving get behind it stop talking yr country down lol" No one is talking the country down. Talking down the incompetence of Theresa May and her Brexiteers, maybe..,. But certainly not talking the country down. All the Remainers that I know are the most patriotic people that I have ever met - their aims are for a fair and prosperous society that exists on equal terms with its close neighbours and trades fairly with the people who have most ion common with each other. Brexiters, on the other hand, seem intent on causing destruction to the economy, divisions in society and to generally make the UK a worse place to live. I am not sure how Brexiters who are consumed with such a destructive agenda can identify themselves as patriots when in fact their actions are the very definition of treason. | |||
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"Doesn't matter what u want tho we are leaving get behind it stop talking yr country down lol No one is talking the country down. Talking down the incompetence of Theresa May and her Brexiteers, maybe..,. But certainly not talking the country down. All the Remainers that I know are the most patriotic people that I have ever met - their aims are for a fair and prosperous society that exists on equal terms with its close neighbours and trades fairly with the people who have most ion common with each other. Brexiters, on the other hand, seem intent on causing destruction to the economy, divisions in society and to generally make the UK a worse place to live. I am not sure how Brexiters who are consumed with such a destructive agenda can identify themselves as patriots when in fact their actions are the very definition of treason." ....The biggest load of bollocks i have ever read on these forums. | |||
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" How the hell do u know it's 20%-40% cracken can u see in to the future ? You've misread what I wrote. I was pointing out that we do about 40% of our trade with the EU (actually 44%), we do about 20% of our trade with countries that are not actually in the EU but with which we have trade deals with through the EU (actually 18%) and we do about 40% of our trade with countries that are not in the EU and with which we have no trade agreements with (actually 38%) To clarify the point further: over 60% of our trade is either with countries that are in the EU or with which we have trade agreements with through the EU. " Just been watching Theresa May making a statement in the House of Commons. She was talking about the G20 meeting over the weekend, particularly about trade. She said that the UK will be looking to keep trade deals with the countries the EU currently has trade deals with as part of the Brexit negotiations. All the EU's existing trade deals will be rolled over to the UK after Brexit. Besides that we can sign new trade deals with countries the EU doesn't have trade deals with. President Donald Trump said during the G20 over the weekend the UK and the USA will be looking to do a "very powerful trade deal" which will be done "very very quickly" after Brexit. Theresa May also just announced in the House of Commons the UK already has a working group going with India and Australia on trade which will lead to new trade deals with those countries after Brexit. The Australian Prime Minister also said on his visit to London today that he "won't muck around" and wants a free trade deal with the UK very "speedily" after Brexit. | |||
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"It was for the full post not just the but u pulled out,. talks have just started and ppl already posting negative shit on here it's like they want the UK to fail or be worse of just don't get you guys at all " Let me explain it this way. Ill assume you follow football for this. Imagine youre an Arsenal supporter. Now imagine that the Arsenal Board announce plans to get rid of all their EU based players and replace them with Australians, Americans and Chinese players. Out goes Cech, Mustafi, Koscielny, Ozil, Lacazzate, Xahka and Giroud. In comes Bradley, Guzan, Altidore, Kruse, Jedenak, Mooy, Linpeng, Hanyan and Wu Xi. A group of supports say this is madness, its clearly a worse situation, the prospects of the club will be massively damaged and things will be worse. They can point to things like shooting accuracy, passing statistics, endurance, speed and others to prove that it will be a failure. Then theres your side who say "Cant understand why you arent backing the team. The decision has been made and we dont know exactly how it will turn out until we see it in action. Lets just focus on supporting our great team instead of predicting failure". So who's got the best interests of the club at heart? The ones who try to put it on the beat path to prosperity or the ones who say lets support this decision no matter what? | |||
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"Doesn't matter what u want tho we are leaving get behind it stop talking yr country down lol No one is talking the country down. Talking down the incompetence of Theresa May and her Brexiteers, maybe..,. But certainly not talking the country down. All the Remainers that I know are the most patriotic people that I have ever met - their aims are for a fair and prosperous society that exists on equal terms with its close neighbours and trades fairly with the people who have most ion common with each other. Brexiters, on the other hand, seem intent on causing destruction to the economy, divisions in society and to generally make the UK a worse place to live. I am not sure how Brexiters who are consumed with such a destructive agenda can identify themselves as patriots when in fact their actions are the very definition of treason." Treason, lol, that's rich coming from a Remainer. By staying in the EU you want to effectively destroy our Parliamentary democracy by handing over more and more laws and powers to the EU that Westminster and Westminster alone should have. Tony Benn said it in the 1970's when he debated Roy Jenkins that being in the common market (now the EU) would destroy parliamentary democracy in this country as our sovereignty is chipped away and whittled down bit by bit as our laws and powers and votes move to Brussels until there is nothing left here. Remainers are no better than Guy Fawkes when it comes to treason you may as well bulldoze the House of commons now and reduce it to rubble if you want to stay in the EU because once the EU takes over all our laws and powers and they are run in Brussels for us by the United States of Europe there'll be no need for a parliament here. | |||
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" How the hell do u know it's 20%-40% cracken can u see in to the future ? You've misread what I wrote. I was pointing out that we do about 40% of our trade with the EU (actually 44%), we do about 20% of our trade with countries that are not actually in the EU but with which we have trade deals with through the EU (actually 18%) and we do about 40% of our trade with countries that are not in the EU and with which we have no trade agreements with (actually 38%) To clarify the point further: over 60% of our trade is either with countries that are in the EU or with which we have trade agreements with through the EU. Just been watching Theresa May making a statement in the House of Commons. She was talking about the G20 meeting over the weekend, particularly about trade. She said that the UK will be looking to keep trade deals with the countries the EU currently has trade deals with as part of the Brexit negotiations. All the EU's existing trade deals will be rolled over to the UK after Brexit. Besides that we can sign new trade deals with countries the EU doesn't have trade deals with. President Donald Trump said during the G20 over the weekend the UK and the USA will be looking to do a "very powerful trade deal" which will be done "very very quickly" after Brexit. Theresa May also just announced in the House of Commons the UK already has a working group going with India and Australia on trade which will lead to new trade deals with those countries after Brexit. The Australian Prime Minister also said on his visit to London today that he "won't muck around" and wants a free trade deal with the UK very "speedily" after Brexit. " Theresa May also said there would be no general election | |||
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" How the hell do u know it's 20%-40% cracken can u see in to the future ? You've misread what I wrote. I was pointing out that we do about 40% of our trade with the EU (actually 44%), we do about 20% of our trade with countries that are not actually in the EU but with which we have trade deals with through the EU (actually 18%) and we do about 40% of our trade with countries that are not in the EU and with which we have no trade agreements with (actually 38%) To clarify the point further: over 60% of our trade is either with countries that are in the EU or with which we have trade agreements with through the EU. Just been watching Theresa May making a statement in the House of Commons. She was talking about the G20 meeting over the weekend, particularly about trade. She said that the UK will be looking to keep trade deals with the countries the EU currently has trade deals with as part of the Brexit negotiations. All the EU's existing trade deals will be rolled over to the UK after Brexit. Besides that we can sign new trade deals with countries the EU doesn't have trade deals with. President Donald Trump said during the G20 over the weekend the UK and the USA will be looking to do a "very powerful trade deal" which will be done "very very quickly" after Brexit. Theresa May also just announced in the House of Commons the UK already has a working group going with India and Australia on trade which will lead to new trade deals with those countries after Brexit. The Australian Prime Minister also said on his visit to London today that he "won't muck around" and wants a free trade deal with the UK very "speedily" after Brexit. " Ofc she said it...she also said "strong and stable"....and Trumps just posturing but we will see...was it Ivanka that promised this trade deal btw haha | |||
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" Just been watching Theresa May making a statement in the House of Commons. She was talking about the G20 meeting over the weekend, particularly about trade. She said that the UK will be looking to keep trade deals with the countries the EU currently has trade deals with as part of the Brexit negotiations. All the EU's existing trade deals will be rolled over to the UK after Brexit. Besides that we can sign new trade deals with countries the EU doesn't have trade deals with. President Donald Trump said during the G20 over the weekend the UK and the USA will be looking to do a "very powerful trade deal" which will be done "very very quickly" after Brexit. Theresa May also just announced in the House of Commons the UK already has a working group going with India and Australia on trade which will lead to new trade deals with those countries after Brexit. The Australian Prime Minister also said on his visit to London today that he "won't muck around" and wants a free trade deal with the UK very "speedily" after Brexit. " Keeping those trade deals means staying in the Customs Union since they are the ones negotiating it. And May is simply hoping to keep those deals, the EU has to allow them to keep them and continue to participate. And as things currently stand the UK wouldnt be able to negotiate its own deals while part of the customs union. And at some point the UK will have to negotiate its own deals and reckon with the fact they are doing so with a much smaller market to offer than the combined eu/uk. | |||
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"We're simply in a damage limitation situation now right? I don't think there are many crazies out there still trying to argue that Brexit is a good idea. But seeing as a lot of the damage has been done to the economy, Moody's ratings, the countries reputation, nose diving pound etc, simply cancelling Brexit (aside from the question if this is even possible) might not be the least bad option. Theres still a few crazies on here still arguing that its a good idea
Why do you feel, despite the majority of the voters pumping for leave, that THEY are the crazy ones?
Because the majority aren't pumping for leave! ...Where are these voters that have changed their minds....i can't find any of them...another remainer fantasy.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-4657716/Remain-win-Brexit-referendum-held-poll-claims.html
Maybe the Mail are just a bunch of EU loving pansies too in your opinion?
It's an opinion poll with a small sample of people. The real polls were the EU referendum last year and the general election this year and the parties with Brexit manifestos got a combined 85% of the vote.
But parties opposed to a hard BREXIT or in favour of no BREXIT at all got 58% of the vote."Labour want a hard Brexit the vote on the single market and the customs union the other week proved it. Besides soft Brexit is still Brexit anyway And 58% is still a majority in favour of Brexit.
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"It was for the full post not just the but u pulled out,. talks have just started and ppl already posting negative shit on here it's like they want the UK to fail or be worse of just don't get you guys at all Let me explain it this way. Ill assume you follow football for this. Imagine youre an Arsenal supporter. Now imagine that the Arsenal Board announce plans to get rid of all their EU based players and replace them with Australians, Americans and Chinese players. Out goes Cech, Mustafi, Koscielny, Ozil, Lacazzate, Xahka and Giroud. In comes Bradley, Guzan, Altidore, Kruse, Jedenak, Mooy, Linpeng, Hanyan and Wu Xi. A group of supports say this is madness, its clearly a worse situation, the prospects of the club will be massively damaged and things will be worse. They can point to things like shooting accuracy, passing statistics, endurance, speed and others to prove that it will be a failure. Then theres your side who say "Cant understand why you arent backing the team. The decision has been made and we dont know exactly how it will turn out until we see it in action. Lets just focus on supporting our great team instead of predicting failure". So who's got the best interests of the club at heart? The ones who try to put it on the beat path to prosperity or the ones who say lets support this decision no matter what?" Let me explain it this way. The UK is now on the path to prosperity. Come back in ten years and tell me I was wrong. On a football theme have you ever made correct predictions and won the pools? | |||
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"So if Arsenal was owned by the supported and they voted to do that what would you want the board to do bare in mint the board work for the supporters it's the supporters who vote in the board ?" But we're not talking about what the board should do. We're talking about which side has the clubs best interest at heart. The ones who want to stick with a successful strategy or the ones who ignore all the evidence and want everyone to jump on the bandwagon and "just support the club". | |||
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"So if Arsenal was owned by the supported and they voted to do that what would you want the board to do bare in mint the board work for the supporters it's the supporters who vote in the board ?" I would want them to do whats in the best interests of the club based on facts not shite that someone just comes out with....ie Bojo and the bus....i think someone pointed out earlier if the Brexit vote was taken tomorrow the out come would be entirely different given what we now know | |||
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"It was for the full post not just the but u pulled out,. talks have just started and ppl already posting negative shit on here it's like they want the UK to fail or be worse of just don't get you guys at all " If we wanted the UK to be worse of we'd have voted for BREXIT. | |||
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" How the hell do u know it's 20%-40% cracken can u see in to the future ? You've misread what I wrote. I was pointing out that we do about 40% of our trade with the EU (actually 44%), we do about 20% of our trade with countries that are not actually in the EU but with which we have trade deals with through the EU (actually 18%) and we do about 40% of our trade with countries that are not in the EU and with which we have no trade agreements with (actually 38%) To clarify the point further: over 60% of our trade is either with countries that are in the EU or with which we have trade agreements with through the EU. Just been watching Theresa May making a statement in the House of Commons. She was talking about the G20 meeting over the weekend, particularly about trade. She said that the UK will be looking to keep trade deals with the countries the EU currently has trade deals with as part of the Brexit negotiations. All the EU's existing trade deals will be rolled over to the UK after Brexit. Besides that we can sign new trade deals with countries the EU doesn't have trade deals with. President Donald Trump said during the G20 over the weekend the UK and the USA will be looking to do a "very powerful trade deal" which will be done "very very quickly" after Brexit. Theresa May also just announced in the House of Commons the UK already has a working group going with India and Australia on trade which will lead to new trade deals with those countries after Brexit. The Australian Prime Minister also said on his visit to London today that he "won't muck around" and wants a free trade deal with the UK very "speedily" after Brexit. "
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"It was for the full post not just the but u pulled out,. talks have just started and ppl already posting negative shit on here it's like they want the UK to fail or be worse of just don't get you guys at all Let me explain it this way. Ill assume you follow football for this. Imagine youre an Arsenal supporter. Now imagine that the Arsenal Board announce plans to get rid of all their EU based players and replace them with Australians, Americans and Chinese players. Out goes Cech, Mustafi, Koscielny, Ozil, Lacazzate, Xahka and Giroud. In comes Bradley, Guzan, Altidore, Kruse, Jedenak, Mooy, Linpeng, Hanyan and Wu Xi. A group of supports say this is madness, its clearly a worse situation, the prospects of the club will be massively damaged and things will be worse. They can point to things like shooting accuracy, passing statistics, endurance, speed and others to prove that it will be a failure. Then theres your side who say "Cant understand why you arent backing the team. The decision has been made and we dont know exactly how it will turn out until we see it in action. Lets just focus on supporting our great team instead of predicting failure". So who's got the best interests of the club at heart? The ones who try to put it on the beat path to prosperity or the ones who say lets support this decision no matter what?" Why only American, Chinese and Australian players? After Brexit we can trade with who we want from the whole world. I'd much rather have a rest of the world team than a team only based on players from within the EU. Why not include Brazil and Argentina in the list with China, USA and Australia, then we can sign Aguero, Messi, and Neymar. I'm sure the supporters of the team and tge team itself would be very happy with those signings and would support the club and get behind the team on the path to prosperity and winning many cups and trophies in future. | |||
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"It was for the full post not just the but u pulled out,. talks have just started and ppl already posting negative shit on here it's like they want the UK to fail or be worse of just don't get you guys at all Let me explain it this way. Ill assume you follow football for this. Imagine youre an Arsenal supporter. Now imagine that the Arsenal Board announce plans to get rid of all their EU based players and replace them with Australians, Americans and Chinese players. Out goes Cech, Mustafi, Koscielny, Ozil, Lacazzate, Xahka and Giroud. In comes Bradley, Guzan, Altidore, Kruse, Jedenak, Mooy, Linpeng, Hanyan and Wu Xi. A group of supports say this is madness, its clearly a worse situation, the prospects of the club will be massively damaged and things will be worse. They can point to things like shooting accuracy, passing statistics, endurance, speed and others to prove that it will be a failure. Then theres your side who say "Cant understand why you arent backing the team. The decision has been made and we dont know exactly how it will turn out until we see it in action. Lets just focus on supporting our great team instead of predicting failure". So who's got the best interests of the club at heart? The ones who try to put it on the beat path to prosperity or the ones who say lets support this decision no matter what? Let me explain it this way. The UK is now on the path to prosperity. Come back in ten years and tell me I was wrong. On a football theme have you ever made correct predictions and won the pools?" We dont have the pools here. But I did win almost £300 predicting a 4-0 scoreline for the champions league final
Theres nothing to back up your wild claim that the UK is on the path to prosperity. In fact the situation has been deteriorating for months for the UK. You might not have realised it, but we've moved passed the point where we're prediciting a financial downturn for the UK. The UK is currently in a downturn. This isnt guesswork and predictions anymore, its whats happening *right now*. | |||
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"It was for the full post not just the but u pulled out,. talks have just started and ppl already posting negative shit on here it's like they want the UK to fail or be worse of just don't get you guys at all Let me explain it this way. Ill assume you follow football for this. Imagine youre an Arsenal supporter. Now imagine that the Arsenal Board announce plans to get rid of all their EU based players and replace them with Australians, Americans and Chinese players. Out goes Cech, Mustafi, Koscielny, Ozil, Lacazzate, Xahka and Giroud. In comes Bradley, Guzan, Altidore, Kruse, Jedenak, Mooy, Linpeng, Hanyan and Wu Xi. A group of supports say this is madness, its clearly a worse situation, the prospects of the club will be massively damaged and things will be worse. They can point to things like shooting accuracy, passing statistics, endurance, speed and others to prove that it will be a failure. Then theres your side who say "Cant understand why you arent backing the team. The decision has been made and we dont know exactly how it will turn out until we see it in action. Lets just focus on supporting our great team instead of predicting failure". So who's got the best interests of the club at heart? The ones who try to put it on the beat path to prosperity or the ones who say lets support this decision no matter what? Why only American, Chinese and Australian players? After Brexit we can trade with who we want from the whole world. I'd much rather have a rest of the world team than a team only based on players from within the EU. Why not include Brazil and Argentina in the list with China, USA and Australia, then we can sign Aguero, Messi, and Neymar. I'm sure the supporters of the team and tge team itself would be very happy with those signings and would support the club and get behind the team on the path to prosperity and winning many cups and trophies in future. "And the UK could theoretically supply all the beef and milk the USA imports and thats still more unlikely as Messi signing for Arsenal | |||
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"I would say both sides AV the best interests but just diffrent opinions on the future but one side can't respect the decision of the ppl and all yr stats and predictions mean nothing because know one can see the future . " Theyre not predictions anymore. Thr UK is currently in an economic downturn. And really, replacing some of the best players in the world with average journeymen is the best interests of the club? Thats almost as ludicrous as adding trade barriers to your single largest trading partner for no good reason | |||
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"It was for the full post not just the but u pulled out,. talks have just started and ppl already posting negative shit on here it's like they want the UK to fail or be worse of just don't get you guys at all Let me explain it this way. Ill assume you follow football for this. Imagine youre an Arsenal supporter. Now imagine that the Arsenal Board announce plans to get rid of all their EU based players and replace them with Australians, Americans and Chinese players. Out goes Cech, Mustafi, Koscielny, Ozil, Lacazzate, Xahka and Giroud. In comes Bradley, Guzan, Altidore, Kruse, Jedenak, Mooy, Linpeng, Hanyan and Wu Xi. A group of supports say this is madness, its clearly a worse situation, the prospects of the club will be massively damaged and things will be worse. They can point to things like shooting accuracy, passing statistics, endurance, speed and others to prove that it will be a failure. Then theres your side who say "Cant understand why you arent backing the team. The decision has been made and we dont know exactly how it will turn out until we see it in action. Lets just focus on supporting our great team instead of predicting failure". So who's got the best interests of the club at heart? The ones who try to put it on the beat path to prosperity or the ones who say lets support this decision no matter what? Why only American, Chinese and Australian players? After Brexit we can trade with who we want from the whole world. I'd much rather have a rest of the world team than a team only based on players from within the EU. Why not include Brazil and Argentina in the list with China, USA and Australia, then we can sign Aguero, Messi, and Neymar. I'm sure the supporters of the team and tge team itself would be very happy with those signings and would support the club and get behind the team on the path to prosperity and winning many cups and trophies in future. "Yeah we could rename the team tax dodgers 11 | |||
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"It was for the full post not just the but u pulled out,. talks have just started and ppl already posting negative shit on here it's like they want the UK to fail or be worse of just don't get you guys at all Let me explain it this way. Ill assume you follow football for this. Imagine youre an Arsenal supporter. Now imagine that the Arsenal Board announce plans to get rid of all their EU based players and replace them with Australians, Americans and Chinese players. Out goes Cech, Mustafi, Koscielny, Ozil, Lacazzate, Xahka and Giroud. In comes Bradley, Guzan, Altidore, Kruse, Jedenak, Mooy, Linpeng, Hanyan and Wu Xi. A group of supports say this is madness, its clearly a worse situation, the prospects of the club will be massively damaged and things will be worse. They can point to things like shooting accuracy, passing statistics, endurance, speed and others to prove that it will be a failure. Then theres your side who say "Cant understand why you arent backing the team. The decision has been made and we dont know exactly how it will turn out until we see it in action. Lets just focus on supporting our great team instead of predicting failure". So who's got the best interests of the club at heart? The ones who try to put it on the beat path to prosperity or the ones who say lets support this decision no matter what? Why only American, Chinese and Australian players? After Brexit we can trade with who we want from the whole world. I'd much rather have a rest of the world team than a team only based on players from within the EU. Why not include Brazil and Argentina in the list with China, USA and Australia, then we can sign Aguero, Messi, and Neymar. I'm sure the supporters of the team and tge team itself would be very happy with those signings and would support the club and get behind the team on the path to prosperity and winning many cups and trophies in future.
And the UK could theoretically supply all the beef and milk the USA imports and thats still more unlikely as Messi signing for Arsenal "It was you who chose to use 5th placed Arsenal in your post. If you'd said Man City, Chelsea or Man utd then the prospect of Messi signing is very good as guaranteed champions league football next season. Sorry Fabio | |||
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"Doesn't matter what u want tho we are leaving get behind it stop talking yr country down lol No one is talking the country down. Talking down the incompetence of Theresa May and her Brexiteers, maybe..,. But certainly not talking the country down. All the Remainers that I know are the most patriotic people that I have ever met - their aims are for a fair and prosperous society that exists on equal terms with its close neighbours and trades fairly with the people who have most ion common with each other. Brexiters, on the other hand, seem intent on causing destruction to the economy, divisions in society and to generally make the UK a worse place to live. I am not sure how Brexiters who are consumed with such a destructive agenda can identify themselves as patriots when in fact their actions are the very definition of treason.....The biggest load of bollocks i have ever read on these forums." Which bit?? The very definition of treason is "the crime of betraying one's country" - You are a traitor to your country if you promote and effect damage to its people and its infrastructure. Only Brexiters are intent on the continuation of a path of economic destructiveness that will impact the lives of virtually every ordinary pe5rson and enrich the lives of the tiny minority of the elites who brainwashed the masses. | |||
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"It was for the full post not just the but u pulled out,. talks have just started and ppl already posting negative shit on here it's like they want the UK to fail or be worse of just don't get you guys at all Let me explain it this way. Ill assume you follow football for this. Imagine youre an Arsenal supporter. Now imagine that the Arsenal Board announce plans to get rid of all their EU based players and replace them with Australians, Americans and Chinese players. Out goes Cech, Mustafi, Koscielny, Ozil, Lacazzate, Xahka and Giroud. In comes Bradley, Guzan, Altidore, Kruse, Jedenak, Mooy, Linpeng, Hanyan and Wu Xi. A group of supports say this is madness, its clearly a worse situation, the prospects of the club will be massively damaged and things will be worse. They can point to things like shooting accuracy, passing statistics, endurance, speed and others to prove that it will be a failure. Then theres your side who say "Cant understand why you arent backing the team. The decision has been made and we dont know exactly how it will turn out until we see it in action. Lets just focus on supporting our great team instead of predicting failure". So who's got the best interests of the club at heart? The ones who try to put it on the beat path to prosperity or the ones who say lets support this decision no matter what? Why only American, Chinese and Australian players? After Brexit we can trade with who we want from the whole world. I'd much rather have a rest of the world team than a team only based on players from within the EU. Why not include Brazil and Argentina in the list with China, USA and Australia, then we can sign Aguero, Messi, and Neymar. I'm sure the supporters of the team and tge team itself would be very happy with those signings and would support the club and get behind the team on the path to prosperity and winning many cups and trophies in future.
Yeah we could rename the team tax dodgers 11 "No that's Ronaldo and he's Portuguese so he's in the EU.
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"It was you who chose to use 5th placed Arsenal in your post. If you'd said Man City, Chelsea or Man utd then the prospect of Messi signing is very good as guaranteed champions league football next season. Sorry Fabio Jeez you really do live in cloud cuckoo land "Are you an Arsenal supporter as well then. No champions league football for you next season. | |||
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"It was for the full post not just the but u pulled out,. talks have just started and ppl already posting negative shit on here it's like they want the UK to fail or be worse of just don't get you guys at all Let me explain it this way. Ill assume you follow football for this. Imagine youre an Arsenal supporter. Now imagine that the Arsenal Board announce plans to get rid of all their EU based players and replace them with Australians, Americans and Chinese players. Out goes Cech, Mustafi, Koscielny, Ozil, Lacazzate, Xahka and Giroud. In comes Bradley, Guzan, Altidore, Kruse, Jedenak, Mooy, Linpeng, Hanyan and Wu Xi. A group of supports say this is madness, its clearly a worse situation, the prospects of the club will be massively damaged and things will be worse. They can point to things like shooting accuracy, passing statistics, endurance, speed and others to prove that it will be a failure. Then theres your side who say "Cant understand why you arent backing the team. The decision has been made and we dont know exactly how it will turn out until we see it in action. Lets just focus on supporting our great team instead of predicting failure". So who's got the best interests of the club at heart? The ones who try to put it on the beat path to prosperity or the ones who say lets support this decision no matter what? Why only American, Chinese and Australian players? After Brexit we can trade with who we want from the whole world. I'd much rather have a rest of the world team than a team only based on players from within the EU. Why not include Brazil and Argentina in the list with China, USA and Australia, then we can sign Aguero, Messi, and Neymar. I'm sure the supporters of the team and tge team itself would be very happy with those signings and would support the club and get behind the team on the path to prosperity and winning many cups and trophies in future.
Yeah we could rename the team tax dodgers 11
No that's Ronaldo and he's Portuguese so he's in the EU.
EU president Jean Claude Juncker knows all about tax evasion and tax dodging in the EU as he helped facilitate it for Luxembourg when he was Prime minister there. Corruption and Jean Claude Juncker go hand in hand but that's what you get within the EU. "But one these players you mentioned have been convicted on one occasion of tax evasion and guess what hes not from the EU | |||
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"It was you who chose to use 5th placed Arsenal in your post. If you'd said Man City, Chelsea or Man utd then the prospect of Messi signing is very good as guaranteed champions league football next season. Sorry Fabio Jeez you really do live in cloud cuckoo land
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"Too hot Realy are you saying 52% of the plpl in the UK that voted leave AV committed treason . You also said in an earlier post all the remainers you know are the most patriotic ppl you know are you telling me you asked all yr friends and work mates how they voted lol you must be first name down on party invites lol" 52% of the population of the UK never voted to leave  | |||
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"Doesn't matter what u want tho we are leaving get behind it stop talking yr country down lol No one is talking the country down. Talking down the incompetence of Theresa May and her Brexiteers, maybe..,. But certainly not talking the country down. All the Remainers that I know are the most patriotic people that I have ever met - their aims are for a fair and prosperous society that exists on equal terms with its close neighbours and trades fairly with the people who have most ion common with each other. Brexiters, on the other hand, seem intent on causing destruction to the economy, divisions in society and to generally make the UK a worse place to live. I am not sure how Brexiters who are consumed with such a destructive agenda can identify themselves as patriots when in fact their actions are the very definition of treason.....The biggest load of bollocks i have ever read on these forums. Which bit?? The very definition of treason is "the crime of betraying one's country" - You are a traitor to your country if you promote and effect damage to its people and its infrastructure. Only Brexiters are intent on the continuation of a path of economic destructiveness that will impact the lives of virtually every ordinary pe5rson and enrich the lives of the tiny minority of the elites who brainwashed the masses." ...How the fuck is a democratic vote treason.??...and the only people causing divisions in this country is sore losers like you who can not except the vote...your nothing but a doom merchant. | |||
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"Too hot Realy are you saying 52% of the plpl in the UK that voted leave AV committed treason . You also said in an earlier post all the remainers you know are the most patriotic ppl you know are you telling me you asked all yr friends and work mates how they voted lol you must be first name down on party invites lol 52% of the population of the UK never voted to leave "And 48% never voted to remain  | |||
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"Too hot Realy are you saying 52% of the plpl in the UK that voted leave AV committed treason . You also said in an earlier post all the remainers you know are the most patriotic ppl you know are you telling me you asked all yr friends and work mates how they voted lol you must be first name down on party invites lol 52% of the population of the UK never voted to leave
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"It was for the full post not just the but u pulled out,. talks have just started and ppl already posting negative shit on here it's like they want the UK to fail or be worse of just don't get you guys at all Let me explain it this way. Ill assume you follow football for this. Imagine youre an Arsenal supporter. Now imagine that the Arsenal Board announce plans to get rid of all their EU based players and replace them with Australians, Americans and Chinese players. Out goes Cech, Mustafi, Koscielny, Ozil, Lacazzate, Xahka and Giroud. In comes Bradley, Guzan, Altidore, Kruse, Jedenak, Mooy, Linpeng, Hanyan and Wu Xi. A group of supports say this is madness, its clearly a worse situation, the prospects of the club will be massively damaged and things will be worse. They can point to things like shooting accuracy, passing statistics, endurance, speed and others to prove that it will be a failure. Then theres your side who say "Cant understand why you arent backing the team. The decision has been made and we dont know exactly how it will turn out until we see it in action. Lets just focus on supporting our great team instead of predicting failure". So who's got the best interests of the club at heart? The ones who try to put it on the beat path to prosperity or the ones who say lets support this decision no matter what? Let me explain it this way. The UK is now on the path to prosperity. Come back in ten years and tell me I was wrong. On a football theme have you ever made correct predictions and won the pools? We dont have the pools here. But I did win almost £300 predicting a 4-0 scoreline for the champions league final
Theres nothing to back up your wild claim that the UK is on the path to prosperity. In fact the situation has been deteriorating for months for the UK. You might not have realised it, but we've moved passed the point where we're prediciting a financial downturn for the UK. The UK is currently in a downturn. This isnt guesswork and predictions anymore, its whats happening *right now*."Then it's a good job we're leaving isn't it and the sooner the better | |||
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"Lol yes that's what it means people is that better for you . " Yes clears it up thanks....but 52% of the population never voted leave....52% of the voters who took part in the vote did | |||
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"U dint AV a clue if it's going to be bad or worse no one does it's going to be up and downs probs but isn't that life or do u just plod on in life doing the same shit Lets just enjoy the ride see were it takes us and stop shitting yrselves man up lol Sorry I thought you just said "well said" to "All this garbage going on is just causing more uncertainty and that IS bad for any buusiness" "Uncertainty is always bad for business it holds back investment, so lets just get out and get the certainty back, as usual you just take one sentence out of context to a whole post, perhaps your attention span is too short to remember the whole bit, tell you what we will post using words one one sylable just for you in future. Glad to see you are still talking this country down | |||
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"U dint AV a clue if it's going to be bad or worse no one does it's going to be up and downs probs but isn't that life or do u just plod on in life doing the same shit Lets just enjoy the ride see were it takes us and stop shitting yrselves man up lol Sorry I thought you just said "well said" to "All this garbage going on is just causing more uncertainty and that IS bad for any buusiness"
Uncertainty is always bad for business it holds back investment, so lets just get out and get the certainty back, as usual you just take one sentence out of context to a whole post, perhaps your attention span is too short to remember the whole bit, tell you what we will post using words one one sylable just for you in future. Glad to see you are still talking this country down"Ask Carillion about that....they have said they have seen a massive downturn since the vote | |||
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"U dint AV a clue if it's going to be bad or worse no one does it's going to be up and downs probs but isn't that life or do u just plod on in life doing the same shit Lets just enjoy the ride see were it takes us and stop shitting yrselves man up lol Sorry I thought you just said "well said" to "All this garbage going on is just causing more uncertainty and that IS bad for any buusiness"
Uncertainty is always bad for business it holds back investment, so lets just get out and get the certainty back, as usual you just take one sentence out of context to a whole post, perhaps your attention span is too short to remember the whole bit, tell you what we will post using words one one sylable just for you in future. Glad to see you are still talking this country down"The best way to avoid uncertainty for business would be to abandon BREXIT totally and if you were really concerned about uncertainty holding back business from making investment decisions that would be what you'd be calling for. | |||
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"U dint AV a clue if it's going to be bad or worse no one does it's going to be up and downs probs but isn't that life or do u just plod on in life doing the same shit Lets just enjoy the ride see were it takes us and stop shitting yrselves man up lol Sorry I thought you just said "well said" to "All this garbage going on is just causing more uncertainty and that IS bad for any buusiness"
Uncertainty is always bad for business it holds back investment, so lets just get out and get the certainty back, as usual you just take one sentence out of context to a whole post, perhaps your attention span is too short to remember the whole bit, tell you what we will post using words one one sylable just for you in future. Glad to see you are still talking this country down
Ask Carillion about that....they have said they have seen a massive downturn since the vote "Strange because I just googled it and most of the trouble seems to have come from projects in the middle east, not too sure but dont think Oman, suadi arabia or egypt are in the EU , | |||
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"U dint AV a clue if it's going to be bad or worse no one does it's going to be up and downs probs but isn't that life or do u just plod on in life doing the same shit Lets just enjoy the ride see were it takes us and stop shitting yrselves man up lol Sorry I thought you just said "well said" to "All this garbage going on is just causing more uncertainty and that IS bad for any buusiness"
Uncertainty is always bad for business it holds back investment, so lets just get out and get the certainty back, as usual you just take one sentence out of context to a whole post, perhaps your attention span is too short to remember the whole bit, tell you what we will post using words one one sylable just for you in future. Glad to see you are still talking this country down
Ask Carillion about that....they have said they have seen a massive downturn since the vote
Strange because I just googled it and most of the trouble seems to have come from projects in the middle east, not too sure but dont think Oman, suadi arabia or egypt are in the EU , "Well i just watched a financial expert saying is was mostly about uncertainty and brexit google the Ian King show on Sky news...and please dont say Sky news are anti brexit | |||
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"Too hot Realy are you saying 52% of the plpl in the UK that voted leave AV committed treason . You also said in an earlier post all the remainers you know are the most patriotic ppl you know are you telling me you asked all yr friends and work mates how they voted lol you must be first name down on party invites lol" You have a vivid imagination. 52% of the people who voted bought a story that the country would be more open, fairer and more prosperous outside of the EU and that we would also have as good as if not better trading relationships with Europe outside the EU, than we have as EU members. Unfortunately, none of this is turning out to be true and yet whilst some are realising this and now openly expressing a contrary opinion, there are still those who are determined to send the UK into economic oblivion and their actions are treasonous. Dragging your country towards an abyss for the sake of an ideological point of view is the act of a traitor, not a patriot. Realising that the path you have chosen is the wrong one and accepting it is no bad thing - it is something to be proud of - but pride is not a virtue of a traitor. As for party invites - we don't have any friends who are Brexiters so that particular comment is moot. I have yet to meet a Brexiter that isn't divisive, intolerant, ideologically driven and simply boorish and we don't mix with such people. There is no need to ask an openly tolerant and accepting person how they voted - it is self evident. | |||
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"....How the fuck is a democratic vote treason.??...and the only people causing divisions in this country is sore losers like you who can not except the vote...your nothing but a doom merchant." No surprise that you conflate a referendum vote with the actions of people who are now ideologically trying to send the country into an economic abyss. If I had the time or the inclination to spell it out simply - I would,. But I don't have either./ | |||
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"Too hot Realy are you saying 52% of the plpl in the UK that voted leave AV committed treason . You also said in an earlier post all the remainers you know are the most patriotic ppl you know are you telling me you asked all yr friends and work mates how they voted lol you must be first name down on party invites lol You have a vivid imagination. 52% of the people who voted bought a story that the country would be more open, fairer and more prosperous outside of the EU and that we would also have as good as if not better trading relationships with Europe outside the EU, than we have as EU members. Unfortunately, none of this is turning out to be true and yet whilst some are realising this and now openly expressing a contrary opinion, there are still those who are determined to send the UK into economic oblivion and their actions are treasonous. Dragging your country towards an abyss for the sake of an ideological point of view is the act of a traitor, not a patriot. Realising that the path you have chosen is the wrong one and accepting it is no bad thing - it is something to be proud of - but pride is not a virtue of a traitor. As for party invites - we don't have any friends who are Brexiters so that particular comment is moot. I have yet to meet a Brexiter that isn't divisive, intolerant, ideologically driven and simply boorish and we don't mix with such people. There is no need to ask an openly tolerant and accepting person how they voted - it is self evident. " . Treasonous traitor omg lol is that what you think of the 17 million that voted leave why the hell avent you left the uk then . So yr saying you can tell how ppl voted by the way they are lol do you think I'm intolerant then how do you see me and be honest Iv got broad shoulders ? | |||
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"All partys shud work tgether on this as its happening anyway they all shud do there best to get the best out of it Instead of kicking shit out of eachother " So here for an example is something that makes a point... Last year, every Remainer on here said that this was such a monumentally important process that the Govt had a responsibility to create a cross party Brexit alliance group that was responsible for taking the UK as a whole out of the EU. Remainers predicted continued bitter divisions and a lack of progress unless the country was carried as w whole. Brexiters decried this idea as weak, unnecessary and likely to dilute Brexit and they said that we should all put our faith in Queen Theresa. This too little, too late appeal by Theresa May is symptomatic of her fuddled, weakk and frankly damaging approach to Brexit. This action was needed in Autumn 2016 and not in Summer 2017 once the shit got real and she got out of her depth. | |||
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"It was for the full post not just the but u pulled out,. talks have just started and ppl already posting negative shit on here it's like they want the UK to fail or be worse of just don't get you guys at all Let me explain it this way. Ill assume you follow football for this. Imagine youre an Arsenal supporter. Now imagine that the Arsenal Board announce plans to get rid of all their EU based players and replace them with Australians, Americans and Chinese players. Out goes Cech, Mustafi, Koscielny, Ozil, Lacazzate, Xahka and Giroud. In comes Bradley, Guzan, Altidore, Kruse, Jedenak, Mooy, Linpeng, Hanyan and Wu Xi. A group of supports say this is madness, its clearly a worse situation, the prospects of the club will be massively damaged and things will be worse. They can point to things like shooting accuracy, passing statistics, endurance, speed and others to prove that it will be a failure. Then theres your side who say "Cant understand why you arent backing the team. The decision has been made and we dont know exactly how it will turn out until we see it in action. Lets just focus on supporting our great team instead of predicting failure". So who's got the best interests of the club at heart? The ones who try to put it on the beat path to prosperity or the ones who say lets support this decision no matter what? Let me explain it this way. The UK is now on the path to prosperity. Come back in ten years and tell me I was wrong. On a football theme have you ever made correct predictions and won the pools? We dont have the pools here. But I did win almost £300 predicting a 4-0 scoreline for the champions league final
Theres nothing to back up your wild claim that the UK is on the path to prosperity. In fact the situation has been deteriorating for months for the UK. You might not have realised it, but we've moved passed the point where we're prediciting a financial downturn for the UK. The UK is currently in a downturn. This isnt guesswork and predictions anymore, its whats happening *right now*.
Then it's a good job we're leaving isn't it and the sooner the better"Brexit has caused a downturn and your reaction is to say good, the sooner you have to face the full load of problems the better? 
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"You mean some remainers and some brexiteirs not all Iv always been for cross partys working together on brexit the NHS. Aswell for that matter aslong as they all pull in same direction it can only be a good thing " Pity Mrs May didnt think like you when she went for her"strong and sable" government at the time.....she thought along with all the other brexiters that the election was just a vote on brexit...how wrong was she and i bet so much that she regrets it now | |||
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"Good to see May coming out and saying they should work with the Labour party on brexit....and a rumblings from quite a few tory mp's saying we shouldnt leave the EU...what a fucking balls up "Corbyn and McDonnell want Brexit and have always been Brexiters at heart, you only have to look at how Corbyn half heartedly campaigned for remain during the referendum compared to how he campaigned full throttle during the general election there was a massive difference. | |||
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"Good to see May coming out and saying they should work with the Labour party on brexit....and a rumblings from quite a few tory mp's saying we shouldnt leave the EU...what a fucking balls up
Corbyn and McDonnell want Brexit and have always been Brexiters at heart, you only have to look at how Corbyn half heartedly campaigned for remain during the referendum compared to how he campaigned full throttle during the general election there was a massive difference. "And thats no secret....i keep telling you brexit was only part of why May didnt get her "strong and stable" government....you can think what you like ...but it wasnt...people care more about this country | |||
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"U dint AV a clue if it's going to be bad or worse no one does it's going to be up and downs probs but isn't that life or do u just plod on in life doing the same shit Lets just enjoy the ride see were it takes us and stop shitting yrselves man up lol Sorry I thought you just said "well said" to "All this garbage going on is just causing more uncertainty and that IS bad for any buusiness"
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Ask Carillion about that....they have said they have seen a massive downturn since the vote
Strange because I just googled it and most of the trouble seems to have come from projects in the middle east, not too sure but dont think Oman, suadi arabia or egypt are in the EU , "Speaking of the middle east, Qatar invested £5 billion in the UK just a couple of months ago I did a thread about it on here. There is continuing big multi million pound investments in various areas of UK business all the time. It's just that remainers either don't read about it in biased Pro remain newspapers like The Guardian and the FT, or they do know about it but chose to ignore it. | |||
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"Lol I bet you put a knife in kids footballs when they go in your garden lol I actually coach football lol...but lets not let facts get in the way of the truth eh "You coach Football and you support Arsenal, lolololol. Your students must be giving you some stick after Arsenal finished 5th this year. I'll say it again, no champions league for you now. | |||
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"Good to see May coming out and saying they should work with the Labour party on brexit....and a rumblings from quite a few tory mp's saying we shouldnt leave the EU...what a fucking balls up
Corbyn and McDonnell want Brexit and have always been Brexiters at heart, you only have to look at how Corbyn half heartedly campaigned for remain during the referendum compared to how he campaigned full throttle during the general election there was a massive difference. "WOW! It's been such a long time since a agreed with anything you've said it's taken me a little a back. | |||
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"Good to see May coming out and saying they should work with the Labour party on brexit....and a rumblings from quite a few tory mp's saying we shouldnt leave the EU...what a fucking balls up
Corbyn and McDonnell want Brexit and have always been Brexiters at heart, you only have to look at how Corbyn half heartedly campaigned for remain during the referendum compared to how he campaigned full throttle during the general election there was a massive difference.
WOW! It's been such a long time since a agreed with anything you've said it's taken me a little a back. "So you agree Corbyn and McDonnell control Labour now and they are the main ones who shape Labour party policy. If Corbyn and McDonnell want out of the single market and the customs union then that is what Labour party policy will be. | |||
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"Good to see May coming out and saying they should work with the Labour party on brexit....and a rumblings from quite a few tory mp's saying we shouldnt leave the EU...what a fucking balls up
Corbyn and McDonnell want Brexit and have always been Brexiters at heart, you only have to look at how Corbyn half heartedly campaigned for remain during the referendum compared to how he campaigned full throttle during the general election there was a massive difference.
WOW! It's been such a long time since a agreed with anything you've said it's taken me a little a back.
So you agree Corbyn and McDonnell control Labour now and they are the main ones who shape Labour party policy. If Corbyn and McDonnell want out of the single market and the customs union then that is what Labour party policy will be. "You really need to stop reading more into what's said than what has actually been said. I agree that Corbyn and McDonald are both BREXITers, always have been, always will be and I've said that many times before. However I also believe that Corbyn and McDonald will take whatever political action they can to make life as difficult as possible for May's government. Currently that means not being overly clear on what their real policy on BREXIT is and not ruling anything in or out. I also know that the majority of Labour MPs, members, supporters and voters are against BREXIT. The actual politics within Westminster will decide which way Labour actually jumps when the time comes. But, as it becomes more and more obvious that a good BREXIT deal is unlikely to come out of the current negotiations, the realist alternatives for any MP or party will narrow down to three possible alternatives 1) Leave with no deal - worst option 2) Leave with a bad deal - bad option 3) Don't leave - only option left http://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/news/brexit-and-the-prospect-of-national-humiliation/ar-BBE8eRC?ocid=spartanntp | |||
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"Doesn't matter what u want tho we are leaving get behind it stop talking yr country down lol No one is talking the country down. Talking down the incompetence of Theresa May and her Brexiteers, maybe..,. But certainly not talking the country down. All the Remainers that I know are the most patriotic people that I have ever met " The SNP and Sinn Fein are remainders but neither could be described as patriotic;or at least not patriotic where the UK is concerned. | |||
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"Doesn't matter what u want tho we are leaving get behind it stop talking yr country down lol No one is talking the country down. Talking down the incompetence of Theresa May and her Brexiteers, maybe..,. But certainly not talking the country down. All the Remainers that I know are the most patriotic people that I have ever met The SNP and Sinn Fein are remainders but neither could be described as patriotic;or at least not patriotic where the UK is concerned." And for good reason. Irrespective of your views of of both Sinn Fein and the SNP there is no doubt that the views of the many thousands that vote for these parties have been consistently and blatantly ignored over the years. You could argue in the case of Sinn Fein that is, in part, because they refuse to take their seats in Westminster. A ploy I personally don't agree with. However, in the case of the SNP, there is a wilful desire on the part of the Government to give as little as possible to the Scottish Assembly as has been proved by the Great Repeal Bill. It looks as if nothing of the laws brought over from the EU legislation will be passed to the devolved assemblies. | |||
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"Doesn't matter what u want tho we are leaving get behind it stop talking yr country down lol No one is talking the country down. Talking down the incompetence of Theresa May and her Brexiteers, maybe..,. But certainly not talking the country down. All the Remainers that I know are the most patriotic people that I have ever met The SNP and Sinn Fein are remainders but neither could be described as patriotic;or at least not patriotic where the UK is concerned. And for good reason. Irrespective of your views of of both Sinn Fein and the SNP there is no doubt that the views of the many thousands that vote for these parties have been consistently and blatantly ignored over the years. You could argue in the case of Sinn Fein that is, in part, because they refuse to take their seats in Westminster. A ploy I personally don't agree with. However, in the case of the SNP, there is a wilful desire on the part of the Government to give as little as possible to the Scottish Assembly as has been proved by the Great Repeal Bill. It looks as if nothing of the laws brought over from the EU legislation will be passed to the devolved assemblies. " Does the Scottish Government use all of it's devolved powers at present? | |||
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"It looks as if nothing of the laws brought over from the EU legislation will be passed to the devolved assemblies. " Where have you been looking? Is there any legislation that is withholding these laws from the devolved assemblies or is it that you have heard the scare stories about big bad Westminster from the usual crew? | |||
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"It looks as if nothing of the laws brought over from the EU legislation will be passed to the devolved assemblies. Where have you been looking? Is there any legislation that is withholding these laws from the devolved assemblies or is it that you have heard the scare stories about big bad Westminster from the usual crew?" Name me one law now taken into UK law under the great repeal bill that the UK government has indicated will be passing on the the devolved administrations. I'm actually talking about ALL the devolved administrations here, not just the Scottish Parliament. I appreciate your rabid unionism leads you to believe I'm some kind of brainwashed SNP supporter but I was actually trying to point out that, in my opinion, Westminster appears to have no intention of passing on any of the laws relating to the likes of agriculture which should, in theory, be the responsibility of the Scottish Parliament, Welsh Assembly and NI Assembly. | |||
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