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By *ercury OP   Man
over a year ago

Grantham

Haringey council has embarked on a huge programme of selling off publicly owned social housing, despite concerns of local residents and local MPs.

Jeremy Corbyn speaks at Glastonbury about workers rights and exploitation, but then 700 clear-up workers are made redundant there after just two days. Many had travelled from Europe for two weeks work, but were sent on their way, without any compensation, as they were on "zero hours".

How will Labour spin these, or are they hoping to keep them under the radar?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Haringey council has embarked on a huge programme of selling off publicly owned social housing, despite concerns of local residents and local MPs.

Jeremy Corbyn speaks at Glastonbury about workers rights and exploitation, but then 700 clear-up workers are made redundant there after just two days. Many had travelled from Europe for two weeks work, but were sent on their way, without any compensation, as they were on "zero hours".

How will Labour spin these, or are they hoping to keep them under the radar?"

This is a prime example where the zero hours contracts should be abolished and are not fit for porpose.

The agency who took care of this conned the workers and made money while the workers where ever they came from lost out.

And the crime here is it's all 100% legal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i didn't realise that jeremy corbyn was in charge of hiring and firing the glastonbury clear-up team

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"i didn't realise that jeremy corbyn was in charge of hiring and firing the glastonbury clear-up team "

But I thought Jeremy was the new messier, the saviour and light of the world. Is he not surly omnipotent to? Surely such a wise, sage man must know everything?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i didn't realise that jeremy corbyn was in charge of hiring and firing the glastonbury clear-up team

But I thought Jeremy was the new messier, the saviour and light of the world. Is he not surly omnipotent to? Surely such a wise, sage man must know everything?

"

i wouldn't know. i'm not a labour supporter .... i just question the OP's implication that corbyn somehow dishes out the infrastructure contracts for glastonbury festival ... i seem to remember that emily eavis oversees that kind of thing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it me...or is Glastonbury not a short term, week or so event.

It doesn't last all year, so how can anyone on the "clear up team" be given a long-term contract?

The job lasts for two weeks. It's a temporary thing. You come in, do the job, get paid, leave.

Totally irrelevant if you are foreign or native worker. Nothing to do with Corbyn, labour or any party...or zero hour contracts which is another thing!

Is there a story here at all?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

no ... there is merely a factless attempt at straw clutching

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By *ercury OP   Man
over a year ago

Grantham


"i didn't realise that jeremy corbyn was in charge of hiring and firing the glastonbury clear-up team

But I thought Jeremy was the new messier, the saviour and light of the world. Is he not surly omnipotent to? Surely such a wise, sage man must know everything?

i wouldn't know. i'm not a labour supporter .... i just question the OP's implication that corbyn somehow dishes out the infrastructure contracts for glastonbury festival ... i seem to remember that emily eavis oversees that kind of thing"

I made no implication of the sort.

It just seems hypocritical, that Jeremy Corbyn is invited to speak by an organisation, that then performs such a shoddy act on mainly young people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i didn't realise that jeremy corbyn was in charge of hiring and firing the glastonbury clear-up team

But I thought Jeremy was the new messier, the saviour and light of the world. Is he not surly omnipotent to? Surely such a wise, sage man must know everything?

i wouldn't know. i'm not a labour supporter .... i just question the OP's implication that corbyn somehow dishes out the infrastructure contracts for glastonbury festival ... i seem to remember that emily eavis oversees that kind of thing

I made no implication of the sort.

It just seems hypocritical, that Jeremy Corbyn is invited to speak by an organisation, that then performs such a shoddy act on mainly young people.

"

there will be several layers of sub-contraction ....just so you make yourself clear on what ever agenda you have here, who are you implying is responsible then?

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"i didn't realise that jeremy corbyn was in charge of hiring and firing the glastonbury clear-up team

But I thought Jeremy was the new messier, the saviour and light of the world. Is he not surly omnipotent to? Surely such a wise, sage man must know everything?

i wouldn't know. i'm not a labour supporter .... i just question the OP's implication that corbyn somehow dishes out the infrastructure contracts for glastonbury festival ... i seem to remember that emily eavis oversees that kind of thing

I made no implication of the sort.

It just seems hypocritical, that Jeremy Corbyn is invited to speak by an organisation, that then performs such a shoddy act on mainly young people.

"

How long would you expect to be employed to clean up after a festival?

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By *ercury OP   Man
over a year ago

Grantham


"i didn't realise that jeremy corbyn was in charge of hiring and firing the glastonbury clear-up team

But I thought Jeremy was the new messier, the saviour and light of the world. Is he not surly omnipotent to? Surely such a wise, sage man must know everything?

i wouldn't know. i'm not a labour supporter .... i just question the OP's implication that corbyn somehow dishes out the infrastructure contracts for glastonbury festival ... i seem to remember that emily eavis oversees that kind of thing

I made no implication of the sort.

It just seems hypocritical, that Jeremy Corbyn is invited to speak by an organisation, that then performs such a shoddy act on mainly young people.

How long would you expect to be employed to clean up after a festival? "

Two weeks as agreed. Not two days. Many of these people had travelled from Europe at their own expense.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados


"i didn't realise that jeremy corbyn was in charge of hiring and firing the glastonbury clear-up team

But I thought Jeremy was the new messier, the saviour and light of the world. Is he not surly omnipotent to? Surely such a wise, sage man must know everything?

i wouldn't know. i'm not a labour supporter .... i just question the OP's implication that corbyn somehow dishes out the infrastructure contracts for glastonbury festival ... i seem to remember that emily eavis oversees that kind of thing

I made no implication of the sort.

It just seems hypocritical, that Jeremy Corbyn is invited to speak by an organisation, that then performs such a shoddy act on mainly young people.

How long would you expect to be employed to clean up after a festival?

Two weeks as agreed. Not two days. Many of these people had travelled from Europe at their own expense."

Have you seen the contract and seen if that was in fact what was agreed? Surely by definition if it was a zero hours contract (and the workers knew this before they signed it, which I presume they did as I presume they can read) then there is no obligation for any hours worked at all?

I'm not a fan of zero hour contracts in general, but in this case I think it is a case of caveat emptor.

-Matt

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By *ercury OP   Man
over a year ago

Grantham

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"i didn't realise that jeremy corbyn was in charge of hiring and firing the glastonbury clear-up team

But I thought Jeremy was the new messier, the saviour and light of the world. Is he not surly omnipotent to? Surely such a wise, sage man must know everything?

i wouldn't know. i'm not a labour supporter .... i just question the OP's implication that corbyn somehow dishes out the infrastructure contracts for glastonbury festival ... i seem to remember that emily eavis oversees that kind of thing

I made no implication of the sort.

It just seems hypocritical, that Jeremy Corbyn is invited to speak by an organisation, that then performs such a shoddy act on mainly young people.

How long would you expect to be employed to clean up after a festival?

Two weeks as agreed. Not two days. Many of these people had travelled from Europe at their own expense.

Have you seen the contract and seen if that was in fact what was agreed? Surely by definition if it was a zero hours contract (and the workers knew this before they signed it, which I presume they did as I presume they can read) then there is no obligation for any hours worked at all?

I'm not a fan of zero hour contracts in general, but in this case I think it is a case of caveat emptor.

-Matt"

I'm not a fan of zero hour contracts when they are abused but, as I use them myself from both ends, they definitely help when flexibility is required by either party.

Without looking at these particular contracts it's difficult to know whether they were exploitative or not.

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By *ercury OP   Man
over a year ago

Grantham

Two weeks clean up was factored in by Glastonbury Festivals Ltd. That means costed into the ticket price as well.

Someone, somewhere, has trousered that money.

Legal, yes. Exploitative, make your own mind up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

maybe the foo fighters are responsible ... or ed shearan ... or radiohead even ... or maybe even the somerset cider bus or water aid or that bloke dressed as a clown juggling in the kids field

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe they didnt just make as much mess as last year

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Haringey council has embarked on a huge programme of selling off publicly owned social housing, despite concerns of local residents and local MPs.

Jeremy Corbyn speaks at Glastonbury about workers rights and exploitation, but then 700 clear-up workers are made redundant there after just two days. Many had travelled from Europe for two weeks work, but were sent on their way, without any compensation, as they were on "zero hours".

How will Labour spin these, or are they hoping to keep them under the radar?"
Did corybn hire and fire these people himself? This has got to be one of the most stupidest I've ever read

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By *ercury OP   Man
over a year ago

Grantham


"Haringey council has embarked on a huge programme of selling off publicly owned social housing, despite concerns of local residents and local MPs.

Jeremy Corbyn speaks at Glastonbury about workers rights and exploitation, but then 700 clear-up workers are made redundant there after just two days. Many had travelled from Europe for two weeks work, but were sent on their way, without any compensation, as they were on "zero hours".

How will Labour spin these, or are they hoping to keep them under the radar? Did corybn hire and fire these people himself? This has got to be one of the most stupidest I've ever read "

I never said that he did.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Haringey council has embarked on a huge programme of selling off publicly owned social housing, despite concerns of local residents and local MPs.

Jeremy Corbyn speaks at Glastonbury about workers rights and exploitation, but then 700 clear-up workers are made redundant there after just two days. Many had travelled from Europe for two weeks work, but were sent on their way, without any compensation, as they were on "zero hours".

How will Labour spin these, or are they hoping to keep them under the radar? Did corybn hire and fire these people himself? This has got to be one of the most stupidest I've ever read

I never said that he did. "

so why did you mention his name in your rant?

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By *ercury OP   Man
over a year ago

Grantham


"Haringey council has embarked on a huge programme of selling off publicly owned social housing, despite concerns of local residents and local MPs.

Jeremy Corbyn speaks at Glastonbury about workers rights and exploitation, but then 700 clear-up workers are made redundant there after just two days. Many had travelled from Europe for two weeks work, but were sent on their way, without any compensation, as they were on "zero hours".

How will Labour spin these, or are they hoping to keep them under the radar? Did corybn hire and fire these people himself? This has got to be one of the most stupidest I've ever read

I never said that he did.

so why did you mention his name in your rant?"

A rant? It was a factually correct opening post.

If the fact that Jeremy Corbyn accepts an invitation from a millionaire farmer to speak at his pop festival, then uses that invitation to speak about exploiting the young, about wealth distribution (I'm assuming that you've read the whole speech) and then the same farmer then does exactly the opposite and exploits young people, then I find that hypocritical.

Did Jeremy Corbyn know? Probably not. Has he condemned it? Not as far as I know. Did Michael Eavis know? Quite possibly not but the buck stops somewhere. No statement as yet from their holding company GFL.

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By *ercury OP   Man
over a year ago

Grantham

And no one has commented on a Labour council not listening to residents concerns, and ploughing ahead with privatising their social housing stock!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

WTF has this to do with corbyn.The far right have lost the plot.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Haringey council has embarked on a huge programme of selling off publicly owned social housing, despite concerns of local residents and local MPs.

Jeremy Corbyn speaks at Glastonbury about workers rights and exploitation, but then 700 clear-up workers are made redundant there after just two days. Many had travelled from Europe for two weeks work, but were sent on their way, without any compensation, as they were on "zero hours".

How will Labour spin these, or are they hoping to keep them under the radar? Did corybn hire and fire these people himself? This has got to be one of the most stupidest I've ever read

I never said that he did.

so why did you mention his name in your rant?

A rant? It was a factually correct opening post.

If the fact that Jeremy Corbyn accepts an invitation from a millionaire farmer to speak at his pop festival, then uses that invitation to speak about exploiting the young, about wealth distribution (I'm assuming that you've read the whole speech) and then the same farmer then does exactly the opposite and exploits young people, then I find that hypocritical.

Did Jeremy Corbyn know? Probably not. Has he condemned it? Not as far as I know. Did Michael Eavis know? Quite possibly not but the buck stops somewhere. No statement as yet from their holding company GFL.

"
so you don't think corybn knows but you're saying he is a hypocrite for not condeming it ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

this thread appears to be just a hate fuelled rant expressing someone's dogmatic right wing agenda

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"i didn't realise that jeremy corbyn was in charge of hiring and firing the glastonbury clear-up team

But I thought Jeremy was the new messier, the saviour and light of the world. Is he not surly omnipotent to? Surely such a wise, sage man must know everything?

i wouldn't know. i'm not a labour supporter .... i just question the OP's implication that corbyn somehow dishes out the infrastructure contracts for glastonbury festival ... i seem to remember that emily eavis oversees that kind of thing"

Not a Corbyn or Labour fan yet you jump to his defence on just about every thread going on here, lol.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"maybe the foo fighters are responsible ... or ed shearan ... or radiohead even ... or maybe even the somerset cider bus or water aid or that bloke dressed as a clown juggling in the kids field"

I think you are getting confused. The bloke dressed as a clown juggling in the kids field was called Jeremy Corbyn.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Dali Lama spoke at Glastonbury a few years back.He spoke about inequality. If he was there this year would he be responsible for this.Would you expect him to be accountable. . Would you label him a hypocritic. .?

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin

The straw grasping continues...

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

I don't really care if Corbyn and Labour are hypocrites or not. It always easy to find something someone said or did and compare it with something else they've or someone else has said or done and call them a hypocrite because of it.

I don't agree with almost anything Corbyn says on the economy, spending or the EU. That's a good enough reason for me not to vote for him. Whether he's a hypocrite as well is irrelevant at this point to me. That would only be a consideration if I agreed with what he said.

Those who don't agree with him should argue against what he says and stands for and leave the calls of hypocrisy to those who agree with what he says.

To those who do think Corbyn is the "bee's knees" maybe you should question if there isn't a little bit of ironic hypocrisy going on here. That doesn't mean that Jeremy is actually a hypocrite but trying to deny there is any hypocrisy in the situation at all is simply burying your heads in the sand.

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By *ercury OP   Man
over a year ago

Grantham

I actually find Jeremy Corbyn to be a principled and intelligent man. He's not my politics but I respect those who want to follow him.

The fact that 700 people were treated appallingly, just days after he made an impassioned speech about inequality and exploitation, is just a little hard to take.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm pretty sure that Corbyn was there as a guest only and nothing to do with the workforce that was there

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm pretty sure that Corbyn was there as a guest only and nothing to do with the workforce that was there "
Hes guilty just for being there as far as the OP is concerned.I saw a car accident today best i apologise and hand myself in. Guilty by proxy.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"I actually find Jeremy Corbyn to be a principled and intelligent man. He's not my politics but I respect those who want to follow him.

The fact that 700 people were treated appallingly, just days after he made an impassioned speech about inequality and exploitation, is just a little hard to take."

But 700 people weren't treated appallingly by Corbyn were they?

Is it hypocritical of you to cry about the plight of Europeans coming here to do clean up when you voted to strip them of the right to work here in any job?

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"I'm pretty sure that Corbyn was there as a guest only and nothing to do with the workforce that was there Hes guilty just for being there as far as the OP is concerned.I saw a car accident today best i apologise and hand myself in. Guilty by proxy."

You bastard Bob. You bastard.

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By *ercury OP   Man
over a year ago

Grantham


"I actually find Jeremy Corbyn to be a principled and intelligent man. He's not my politics but I respect those who want to follow him.

The fact that 700 people were treated appallingly, just days after he made an impassioned speech about inequality and exploitation, is just a little hard to take.

But 700 people weren't treated appallingly by Corbyn were they?

Is it hypocritical of you to cry about the plight of Europeans coming here to do clean up when you voted to strip them of the right to work here in any job? "

Were 700 people treated badly at Glastonbury, signed up for work that didn't materialise when they got there? If yes, then ultimately it's the responsibility of Glastonbury Festival Events Ltd, and their Directors. One of those Directors is the man that both invited Jeremy Corbyn and stood with him on that stage, Michael Eavis.

After a speech by JC, which spoke about youth exploitation, migrant exploitation and wealth distribution, Michael Eavis praised the speech.

As I said before, there is a level of hypocrisy there. And whilst JC wasn't in the know, a level of condemnation of his friend's actions, would have been appreciated, not least by the 700 people badly let down by the Labour supporting Michael Eavis.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"I actually find Jeremy Corbyn to be a principled and intelligent man. He's not my politics but I respect those who want to follow him.

The fact that 700 people were treated appallingly, just days after he made an impassioned speech about inequality and exploitation, is just a little hard to take.

But 700 people weren't treated appallingly by Corbyn were they?

Is it hypocritical of you to cry about the plight of Europeans coming here to do clean up when you voted to strip them of the right to work here in any job?

Were 700 people treated badly at Glastonbury, signed up for work that didn't materialise when they got there? If yes, then ultimately it's the responsibility of Glastonbury Festival Events Ltd, and their Directors. One of those Directors is the man that both invited Jeremy Corbyn and stood with him on that stage, Michael Eavis.

After a speech by JC, which spoke about youth exploitation, migrant exploitation and wealth distribution, Michael Eavis praised the speech.

As I said before, there is a level of hypocrisy there. And whilst JC wasn't in the know, a level of condemnation of his friend's actions, would have been appreciated, not least by the 700 people badly let down by the Labour supporting Michael Eavis.

"

You didnt answer either question

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By *ercury OP   Man
over a year ago

Grantham


"I actually find Jeremy Corbyn to be a principled and intelligent man. He's not my politics but I respect those who want to follow him.

The fact that 700 people were treated appallingly, just days after he made an impassioned speech about inequality and exploitation, is just a little hard to take.

But 700 people weren't treated appallingly by Corbyn were they?

Is it hypocritical of you to cry about the plight of Europeans coming here to do clean up when you voted to strip them of the right to work here in any job?

Were 700 people treated badly at Glastonbury, signed up for work that didn't materialise when they got there? If yes, then ultimately it's the responsibility of Glastonbury Festival Events Ltd, and their Directors. One of those Directors is the man that both invited Jeremy Corbyn and stood with him on that stage, Michael Eavis.

After a speech by JC, which spoke about youth exploitation, migrant exploitation and wealth distribution, Michael Eavis praised the speech.

As I said before, there is a level of hypocrisy there. And whilst JC wasn't in the know, a level of condemnation of his friend's actions, would have been appreciated, not least by the 700 people badly let down by the Labour supporting Michael Eavis.

You didnt answer either question "

No, no and no

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"I actually find Jeremy Corbyn to be a principled and intelligent man. He's not my politics but I respect those who want to follow him.

The fact that 700 people were treated appallingly, just days after he made an impassioned speech about inequality and exploitation, is just a little hard to take.

But 700 people weren't treated appallingly by Corbyn were they?

Is it hypocritical of you to cry about the plight of Europeans coming here to do clean up when you voted to strip them of the right to work here in any job?

Were 700 people treated badly at Glastonbury, signed up for work that didn't materialise when they got there? If yes, then ultimately it's the responsibility of Glastonbury Festival Events Ltd, and their Directors. One of those Directors is the man that both invited Jeremy Corbyn and stood with him on that stage, Michael Eavis.

After a speech by JC, which spoke about youth exploitation, migrant exploitation and wealth distribution, Michael Eavis praised the speech.

As I said before, there is a level of hypocrisy there. And whilst JC wasn't in the know, a level of condemnation of his friend's actions, would have been appreciated, not least by the 700 people badly let down by the Labour supporting Michael Eavis.

You didnt answer either question

No, no and no"

I think it's hypocritical to complain about Europeans getting screwed on a zero hours contract when you voted to strip them of the right to work in the country at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm struggling to see how Corbyn is in anyway culpable on this one

Although I am surprised the clean up team aren't still there in their thousands

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin

So Corbyn may or may not know about the zero hour contract workers getting screwed. He certainly had nothing to do with the decisions made. And his manifesto said that zero hour contracts should be outlawed.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/29/election-labour-mcdonnell-corbyn-zero-hours-economy

What exactly has he done wrong?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

so who exactly are you calling hypocrite? radiohead, eavis, corbyn, the juggler? .... who? just so the thread makes some sort of sense, coz at the moment it's the messy rant of a dogmatic idealouge

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i didn't realise that jeremy corbyn was in charge of hiring and firing the glastonbury clear-up team

But I thought Jeremy was the new messier, the saviour and light of the world. Is he not surly omnipotent to? Surely such a wise, sage man must know everything?

i wouldn't know. i'm not a labour supporter .... i just question the OP's implication that corbyn somehow dishes out the infrastructure contracts for glastonbury festival ... i seem to remember that emily eavis oversees that kind of thing

Not a Corbyn or Labour fan yet you jump to his defence on just about every thread going on here, lol. "

utter bollox

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is it me...or is Glastonbury not a short term, week or so event.

It doesn't last all year, so how can anyone on the "clear up team" be given a long-term contract?

The job lasts for two weeks. It's a temporary thing. You come in, do the job, get paid, leave.

Totally irrelevant if you are foreign or native worker. Nothing to do with Corbyn, labour or any party...or zero hour contracts which is another thing!

Is there a story here at all?"
Yes as they were told 2 weeks and got 2 days !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think his daughter now runs the festival and im guessing they outsourced a contractor to supply labour.Those hippy liberals didnt make as much mess and some company put an advert out offering 2 weeks work camping in the beautiful west country.At the end of the day 700 took a punt on free camping and 2 weeks work and got screwed over by a recruitment company.

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin


" I think his daughter now runs the festival and im guessing they outsourced a contractor to supply labour.Those hippy liberals didnt make as much mess and some company put an advert out offering 2 weeks work camping in the beautiful west country.At the end of the day 700 took a punt on free camping and 2 weeks work and got screwed over by a recruitment company."

Yes but thats the fault of everyone who attended Glastonbury, the punters, the acts, the BBC for reporting from there, all the people who supplied anything to the festival. Wheres TopShops statement of condemnation, Im sure some people there were wearing their clothes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" I think his daughter now runs the festival and im guessing they outsourced a contractor to supply labour.Those hippy liberals didnt make as much mess and some company put an advert out offering 2 weeks work camping in the beautiful west country.At the end of the day 700 took a punt on free camping and 2 weeks work and got screwed over by a recruitment company.

Yes but thats the fault of everyone who attended Glastonbury, the punters, the acts, the BBC for reporting from there, all the people who supplied anything to the festival. Wheres TopShops statement of condemnation, Im sure some people there were wearing their clothes."

Dont forget the gateman who let them in

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


" I think his daughter now runs the festival and im guessing they outsourced a contractor to supply labour.Those hippy liberals didnt make as much mess and some company put an advert out offering 2 weeks work camping in the beautiful west country.At the end of the day 700 took a punt on free camping and 2 weeks work and got screwed over by a recruitment company.

Yes but thats the fault of everyone who attended Glastonbury, the punters, the acts, the BBC for reporting from there, all the people who supplied anything to the festival. Wheres TopShops statement of condemnation, Im sure some people there were wearing their clothes."

Really we should be blaming the cunts who didn't drop enough rubbish

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's all the EU's fault coz if they hadn't made freedom of movement then these horrible dirty foreigners of differing skin colour wouldn't of been able to come here to pick our shit up for us to start with

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent

It might have changed but you used to 'employed' to collect rubbish in return for free entry to the festival. Oxfam used to organise it, you had to pay the ticket cost upfront then work 4 8hr shifts, the rest of the time you could go do as you want, then you'd get your deposit returned. I'm sure there's someone on here who's worked festivals and would know what the current deal is

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby


"I actually find Jeremy Corbyn to be a principled and intelligent man. He's not my politics but I respect those who want to follow him.

The fact that 700 people were treated appallingly, just days after he made an impassioned speech about inequality and exploitation, is just a little hard to take.

But 700 people weren't treated appallingly by Corbyn were they?

Is it hypocritical of you to cry about the plight of Europeans coming here to do clean up when you voted to strip them of the right to work here in any job?

Were 700 people treated badly at Glastonbury, signed up for work that didn't materialise when they got there? If yes, then ultimately it's the responsibility of Glastonbury Festival Events Ltd, and their Directors. One of those Directors is the man that both invited Jeremy Corbyn and stood with him on that stage, Michael Eavis.

After a speech by JC, which spoke about youth exploitation, migrant exploitation and wealth distribution, Michael Eavis praised the speech.

As I said before, there is a level of hypocrisy there. And whilst JC wasn't in the know, a level of condemnation of his friend's actions, would have been appreciated, not least by the 700 people badly let down by the Labour supporting Michael Eavis.

You didnt answer either question

No, no and no

I think it's hypocritical to complain about Europeans getting screwed on a zero hours contract when you voted to strip them of the right to work in the country at all."

And where's the evidence of that?

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"I actually find Jeremy Corbyn to be a principled and intelligent man. He's not my politics but I respect those who want to follow him.

The fact that 700 people were treated appallingly, just days after he made an impassioned speech about inequality and exploitation, is just a little hard to take.

But 700 people weren't treated appallingly by Corbyn were they?

Is it hypocritical of you to cry about the plight of Europeans coming here to do clean up when you voted to strip them of the right to work here in any job?

Were 700 people treated badly at Glastonbury, signed up for work that didn't materialise when they got there? If yes, then ultimately it's the responsibility of Glastonbury Festival Events Ltd, and their Directors. One of those Directors is the man that both invited Jeremy Corbyn and stood with him on that stage, Michael Eavis.

After a speech by JC, which spoke about youth exploitation, migrant exploitation and wealth distribution, Michael Eavis praised the speech.

As I said before, there is a level of hypocrisy there. And whilst JC wasn't in the know, a level of condemnation of his friend's actions, would have been appreciated, not least by the 700 people badly let down by the Labour supporting Michael Eavis.

You didnt answer either question

No, no and no

I think it's hypocritical to complain about Europeans getting screwed on a zero hours contract when you voted to strip them of the right to work in the country at all.

And where's the evidence of that? "

Evidence of what?

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By *ercury OP   Man
over a year ago

Grantham


"I actually find Jeremy Corbyn to be a principled and intelligent man. He's not my politics but I respect those who want to follow him.

The fact that 700 people were treated appallingly, just days after he made an impassioned speech about inequality and exploitation, is just a little hard to take.

But 700 people weren't treated appallingly by Corbyn were they?

Is it hypocritical of you to cry about the plight of Europeans coming here to do clean up when you voted to strip them of the right to work here in any job?

Were 700 people treated badly at Glastonbury, signed up for work that didn't materialise when they got there? If yes, then ultimately it's the responsibility of Glastonbury Festival Events Ltd, and their Directors. One of those Directors is the man that both invited Jeremy Corbyn and stood with him on that stage, Michael Eavis.

After a speech by JC, which spoke about youth exploitation, migrant exploitation and wealth distribution, Michael Eavis praised the speech.

As I said before, there is a level of hypocrisy there. And whilst JC wasn't in the know, a level of condemnation of his friend's actions, would have been appreciated, not least by the 700 people badly let down by the Labour supporting Michael Eavis.

You didnt answer either question

No, no and no

I think it's hypocritical to complain about Europeans getting screwed on a zero hours contract when you voted to strip them of the right to work in the country at all."

And we both know that's not true at all, as we've been down this road before.

Nowhere in the referendum, was there a promise by either side to do that. Migrants are welcome here, European, Asian, Martian as my local economy couldn't function without them. But then it's easy to just say that anyone or everyone from Lincolnshire is UKIP or BNP or anything that suits your migration agenda.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"I actually find Jeremy Corbyn to be a principled and intelligent man. He's not my politics but I respect those who want to follow him.

The fact that 700 people were treated appallingly, just days after he made an impassioned speech about inequality and exploitation, is just a little hard to take.

But 700 people weren't treated appallingly by Corbyn were they?

Is it hypocritical of you to cry about the plight of Europeans coming here to do clean up when you voted to strip them of the right to work here in any job?

Were 700 people treated badly at Glastonbury, signed up for work that didn't materialise when they got there? If yes, then ultimately it's the responsibility of Glastonbury Festival Events Ltd, and their Directors. One of those Directors is the man that both invited Jeremy Corbyn and stood with him on that stage, Michael Eavis.

After a speech by JC, which spoke about youth exploitation, migrant exploitation and wealth distribution, Michael Eavis praised the speech.

As I said before, there is a level of hypocrisy there. And whilst JC wasn't in the know, a level of condemnation of his friend's actions, would have been appreciated, not least by the 700 people badly let down by the Labour supporting Michael Eavis.

You didnt answer either question

No, no and no

I think it's hypocritical to complain about Europeans getting screwed on a zero hours contract when you voted to strip them of the right to work in the country at all.

And we both know that's not true at all, as we've been down this road before.

Nowhere in the referendum, was there a promise by either side to do that. Migrants are welcome here, European, Asian, Martian as my local economy couldn't function without them. But then it's easy to just say that anyone or everyone from Lincolnshire is UKIP or BNP or anything that suits your migration agenda."

So you think that there will still be freedom of movement after we leave the UK?

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By *ercury OP   Man
over a year ago

Grantham


"I actually find Jeremy Corbyn to be a principled and intelligent man. He's not my politics but I respect those who want to follow him.

The fact that 700 people were treated appallingly, just days after he made an impassioned speech about inequality and exploitation, is just a little hard to take.

But 700 people weren't treated appallingly by Corbyn were they?

Is it hypocritical of you to cry about the plight of Europeans coming here to do clean up when you voted to strip them of the right to work here in any job?

Were 700 people treated badly at Glastonbury, signed up for work that didn't materialise when they got there? If yes, then ultimately it's the responsibility of Glastonbury Festival Events Ltd, and their Directors. One of those Directors is the man that both invited Jeremy Corbyn and stood with him on that stage, Michael Eavis.

After a speech by JC, which spoke about youth exploitation, migrant exploitation and wealth distribution, Michael Eavis praised the speech.

As I said before, there is a level of hypocrisy there. And whilst JC wasn't in the know, a level of condemnation of his friend's actions, would have been appreciated, not least by the 700 people badly let down by the Labour supporting Michael Eavis.

You didnt answer either question

No, no and no

I think it's hypocritical to complain about Europeans getting screwed on a zero hours contract when you voted to strip them of the right to work in the country at all.

And we both know that's not true at all, as we've been down this road before.

Nowhere in the referendum, was there a promise by either side to do that. Migrants are welcome here, European, Asian, Martian as my local economy couldn't function without them. But then it's easy to just say that anyone or everyone from Lincolnshire is UKIP or BNP or anything that suits your migration agenda.

So you think that there will still be freedom of movement after we leave the UK? "

There will be movement of labour, into and out of this country, from all corners of the world. The Government of the day will decide on what form that will take.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"I actually find Jeremy Corbyn to be a principled and intelligent man. He's not my politics but I respect those who want to follow him.

The fact that 700 people were treated appallingly, just days after he made an impassioned speech about inequality and exploitation, is just a little hard to take.

But 700 people weren't treated appallingly by Corbyn were they?

Is it hypocritical of you to cry about the plight of Europeans coming here to do clean up when you voted to strip them of the right to work here in any job?

Were 700 people treated badly at Glastonbury, signed up for work that didn't materialise when they got there? If yes, then ultimately it's the responsibility of Glastonbury Festival Events Ltd, and their Directors. One of those Directors is the man that both invited Jeremy Corbyn and stood with him on that stage, Michael Eavis.

After a speech by JC, which spoke about youth exploitation, migrant exploitation and wealth distribution, Michael Eavis praised the speech.

As I said before, there is a level of hypocrisy there. And whilst JC wasn't in the know, a level of condemnation of his friend's actions, would have been appreciated, not least by the 700 people badly let down by the Labour supporting Michael Eavis.

You didnt answer either question

No, no and no

I think it's hypocritical to complain about Europeans getting screwed on a zero hours contract when you voted to strip them of the right to work in the country at all.

And we both know that's not true at all, as we've been down this road before.

Nowhere in the referendum, was there a promise by either side to do that. Migrants are welcome here, European, Asian, Martian as my local economy couldn't function without them. But then it's easy to just say that anyone or everyone from Lincolnshire is UKIP or BNP or anything that suits your migration agenda.

So you think that there will still be freedom of movement after we leave the UK?

There will be movement of labour, into and out of this country, from all corners of the world. The Government of the day will decide on what form that will take."

So will EU citizens still have the RIGHT to work here or not? I have currently have the right to work anywhere in Europe, will I have that right after we leave?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" I think his daughter now runs the festival and im guessing they outsourced a contractor to supply labour.Those hippy liberals didnt make as much mess and some company put an advert out offering 2 weeks work camping in the beautiful west country.At the end of the day 700 took a punt on free camping and 2 weeks work and got screwed over by a recruitment company.

Yes but thats the fault of everyone who attended Glastonbury, the punters, the acts, the BBC for reporting from there, all the people who supplied anything to the festival. Wheres TopShops statement of condemnation, Im sure some people there were wearing their clothes.

Really we should be blaming the cunts who didn't drop enough rubbish

"

The amount of rubbish that came out of Corbyn's mouth should have kept then busy for a year

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


" I think his daughter now runs the festival and im guessing they outsourced a contractor to supply labour.Those hippy liberals didnt make as much mess and some company put an advert out offering 2 weeks work camping in the beautiful west country.At the end of the day 700 took a punt on free camping and 2 weeks work and got screwed over by a recruitment company.

Yes but thats the fault of everyone who attended Glastonbury, the punters, the acts, the BBC for reporting from there, all the people who supplied anything to the festival. Wheres TopShops statement of condemnation, Im sure some people there were wearing their clothes.

Really we should be blaming the cunts who didn't drop enough rubbish

The amount of rubbish that came out of Corbyn's mouth should have kept then busy for a year "

If this is the level of criticism that he is receiving, then his opponents really do seem to have lost.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"I actually find Jeremy Corbyn to be a principled and intelligent man. He's not my politics but I respect those who want to follow him.

The fact that 700 people were treated appallingly, just days after he made an impassioned speech about inequality and exploitation, is just a little hard to take.

But 700 people weren't treated appallingly by Corbyn were they?

Is it hypocritical of you to cry about the plight of Europeans coming here to do clean up when you voted to strip them of the right to work here in any job?

Were 700 people treated badly at Glastonbury, signed up for work that didn't materialise when they got there? If yes, then ultimately it's the responsibility of Glastonbury Festival Events Ltd, and their Directors. One of those Directors is the man that both invited Jeremy Corbyn and stood with him on that stage, Michael Eavis.

After a speech by JC, which spoke about youth exploitation, migrant exploitation and wealth distribution, Michael Eavis praised the speech.

As I said before, there is a level of hypocrisy there. And whilst JC wasn't in the know, a level of condemnation of his friend's actions, would have been appreciated, not least by the 700 people badly let down by the Labour supporting Michael Eavis.

You didnt answer either question

No, no and no

I think it's hypocritical to complain about Europeans getting screwed on a zero hours contract when you voted to strip them of the right to work in the country at all.

And we both know that's not true at all, as we've been down this road before.

Nowhere in the referendum, was there a promise by either side to do that. Migrants are welcome here, European, Asian, Martian as my local economy couldn't function without them. But then it's easy to just say that anyone or everyone from Lincolnshire is UKIP or BNP or anything that suits your migration agenda.

So you think that there will still be freedom of movement after we leave the UK?

There will be movement of labour, into and out of this country, from all corners of the world. The Government of the day will decide on what form that will take.

So will EU citizens still have the RIGHT to work here or not? I have currently have the right to work anywhere in Europe, will I have that right after we leave? "

If course you won't but, on the bright side, you'll be able to unfold your Union Jack or St. George Cross flag and wave it merrily on the white cliffs as you say 'up yours' as the last ferry full of pesky EU migrants heads out of Dover.

Remember, it maybe a little painful at first but it will be worth it in the end.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby


"I actually find Jeremy Corbyn to be a principled and intelligent man. He's not my politics but I respect those who want to follow him.

The fact that 700 people were treated appallingly, just days after he made an impassioned speech about inequality and exploitation, is just a little hard to take.

But 700 people weren't treated appallingly by Corbyn were they?

Is it hypocritical of you to cry about the plight of Europeans coming here to do clean up when you voted to strip them of the right to work here in any job?

Were 700 people treated badly at Glastonbury, signed up for work that didn't materialise when they got there? If yes, then ultimately it's the responsibility of Glastonbury Festival Events Ltd, and their Directors. One of those Directors is the man that both invited Jeremy Corbyn and stood with him on that stage, Michael Eavis.

After a speech by JC, which spoke about youth exploitation, migrant exploitation and wealth distribution, Michael Eavis praised the speech.

As I said before, there is a level of hypocrisy there. And whilst JC wasn't in the know, a level of condemnation of his friend's actions, would have been appreciated, not least by the 700 people badly let down by the Labour supporting Michael Eavis.

You didnt answer either question

No, no and no

I think it's hypocritical to complain about Europeans getting screwed on a zero hours contract when you voted to strip them of the right to work in the country at all.

And where's the evidence of that?

Evidence of what? "

Of people voting to strip Europeans of the right to work in the country at all.

Where was that on the referendum voting slip?

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby


"I actually find Jeremy Corbyn to be a principled and intelligent man. He's not my politics but I respect those who want to follow him.

The fact that 700 people were treated appallingly, just days after he made an impassioned speech about inequality and exploitation, is just a little hard to take.

But 700 people weren't treated appallingly by Corbyn were they?

Is it hypocritical of you to cry about the plight of Europeans coming here to do clean up when you voted to strip them of the right to work here in any job?

Were 700 people treated badly at Glastonbury, signed up for work that didn't materialise when they got there? If yes, then ultimately it's the responsibility of Glastonbury Festival Events Ltd, and their Directors. One of those Directors is the man that both invited Jeremy Corbyn and stood with him on that stage, Michael Eavis.

After a speech by JC, which spoke about youth exploitation, migrant exploitation and wealth distribution, Michael Eavis praised the speech.

As I said before, there is a level of hypocrisy there. And whilst JC wasn't in the know, a level of condemnation of his friend's actions, would have been appreciated, not least by the 700 people badly let down by the Labour supporting Michael Eavis.

You didnt answer either question

No, no and no

I think it's hypocritical to complain about Europeans getting screwed on a zero hours contract when you voted to strip them of the right to work in the country at all.

And we both know that's not true at all, as we've been down this road before.

Nowhere in the referendum, was there a promise by either side to do that. Migrants are welcome here, European, Asian, Martian as my local economy couldn't function without them. But then it's easy to just say that anyone or everyone from Lincolnshire is UKIP or BNP or anything that suits your migration agenda.

So you think that there will still be freedom of movement after we leave the UK?

There will be movement of labour, into and out of this country, from all corners of the world. The Government of the day will decide on what form that will take.

So will EU citizens still have the RIGHT to work here or not? I have currently have the right to work anywhere in Europe, will I have that right after we leave? "

Of course you will....as long as you meet the criteria to exercise that right.

Take Australia for example. They set certain criteria for immigration.

If you meet that criteria, you then have the right to go to Australia and work.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"I actually find Jeremy Corbyn to be a principled and intelligent man. He's not my politics but I respect those who want to follow him.

The fact that 700 people were treated appallingly, just days after he made an impassioned speech about inequality and exploitation, is just a little hard to take.

But 700 people weren't treated appallingly by Corbyn were they?

Is it hypocritical of you to cry about the plight of Europeans coming here to do clean up when you voted to strip them of the right to work here in any job?

Were 700 people treated badly at Glastonbury, signed up for work that didn't materialise when they got there? If yes, then ultimately it's the responsibility of Glastonbury Festival Events Ltd, and their Directors. One of those Directors is the man that both invited Jeremy Corbyn and stood with him on that stage, Michael Eavis.

After a speech by JC, which spoke about youth exploitation, migrant exploitation and wealth distribution, Michael Eavis praised the speech.

As I said before, there is a level of hypocrisy there. And whilst JC wasn't in the know, a level of condemnation of his friend's actions, would have been appreciated, not least by the 700 people badly let down by the Labour supporting Michael Eavis.

You didnt answer either question

No, no and no

I think it's hypocritical to complain about Europeans getting screwed on a zero hours contract when you voted to strip them of the right to work in the country at all.

And we both know that's not true at all, as we've been down this road before.

Nowhere in the referendum, was there a promise by either side to do that. Migrants are welcome here, European, Asian, Martian as my local economy couldn't function without them. But then it's easy to just say that anyone or everyone from Lincolnshire is UKIP or BNP or anything that suits your migration agenda.

So you think that there will still be freedom of movement after we leave the UK?

There will be movement of labour, into and out of this country, from all corners of the world. The Government of the day will decide on what form that will take.

So will EU citizens still have the RIGHT to work here or not? I have currently have the right to work anywhere in Europe, will I have that right after we leave?

Of course you will....as long as you meet the criteria to exercise that right.

Take Australia for example. They set certain criteria for immigration.

If you meet that criteria, you then have the right to go to Australia and work."

No, I dont have the right to work in Australia, or the US, or Canada or any other non-EU country. I currently have the right to work in the UK and all other EU member states. I have just as much right to work in Copenhagen as I do Cardiff at the moment, but I wont after Brexit. You voted to take that right away from me, and away from your friends and family and millions of other people. I find it worrying that you don't even understand the consequences of your vote.

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By *ercury OP   Man
over a year ago

Grantham


"I actually find Jeremy Corbyn to be a principled and intelligent man. He's not my politics but I respect those who want to follow him.

The fact that 700 people were treated appallingly, just days after he made an impassioned speech about inequality and exploitation, is just a little hard to take.

But 700 people weren't treated appallingly by Corbyn were they?

Is it hypocritical of you to cry about the plight of Europeans coming here to do clean up when you voted to strip them of the right to work here in any job?

Were 700 people treated badly at Glastonbury, signed up for work that didn't materialise when they got there? If yes, then ultimately it's the responsibility of Glastonbury Festival Events Ltd, and their Directors. One of those Directors is the man that both invited Jeremy Corbyn and stood with him on that stage, Michael Eavis.

After a speech by JC, which spoke about youth exploitation, migrant exploitation and wealth distribution, Michael Eavis praised the speech.

As I said before, there is a level of hypocrisy there. And whilst JC wasn't in the know, a level of condemnation of his friend's actions, would have been appreciated, not least by the 700 people badly let down by the Labour supporting Michael Eavis.

You didnt answer either question

No, no and no

I think it's hypocritical to complain about Europeans getting screwed on a zero hours contract when you voted to strip them of the right to work in the country at all.

And we both know that's not true at all, as we've been down this road before.

Nowhere in the referendum, was there a promise by either side to do that. Migrants are welcome here, European, Asian, Martian as my local economy couldn't function without them. But then it's easy to just say that anyone or everyone from Lincolnshire is UKIP or BNP or anything that suits your migration agenda.

So you think that there will still be freedom of movement after we leave the UK?

There will be movement of labour, into and out of this country, from all corners of the world. The Government of the day will decide on what form that will take.

So will EU citizens still have the RIGHT to work here or not? I have currently have the right to work anywhere in Europe, will I have that right after we leave?

Of course you will....as long as you meet the criteria to exercise that right.

Take Australia for example. They set certain criteria for immigration.

If you meet that criteria, you then have the right to go to Australia and work.

No, I dont have the right to work in Australia, or the US, or Canada or any other non-EU country. I currently have the right to work in the UK and all other EU member states. I have just as much right to work in Copenhagen as I do Cardiff at the moment, but I wont after Brexit. You voted to take that right away from me, and away from your friends and family and millions of other people. I find it worrying that you don't even understand the consequences of your vote. "

So is your concern the fact, that for some reason, you wouldn't be accepted for work in another EU country?

I seem to recall the EU saying that they wouldn't seek to punish the UK?

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"I actually find Jeremy Corbyn to be a principled and intelligent man. He's not my politics but I respect those who want to follow him.

The fact that 700 people were treated appallingly, just days after he made an impassioned speech about inequality and exploitation, is just a little hard to take.

But 700 people weren't treated appallingly by Corbyn were they?

Is it hypocritical of you to cry about the plight of Europeans coming here to do clean up when you voted to strip them of the right to work here in any job?

Were 700 people treated badly at Glastonbury, signed up for work that didn't materialise when they got there? If yes, then ultimately it's the responsibility of Glastonbury Festival Events Ltd, and their Directors. One of those Directors is the man that both invited Jeremy Corbyn and stood with him on that stage, Michael Eavis.

After a speech by JC, which spoke about youth exploitation, migrant exploitation and wealth distribution, Michael Eavis praised the speech.

As I said before, there is a level of hypocrisy there. And whilst JC wasn't in the know, a level of condemnation of his friend's actions, would have been appreciated, not least by the 700 people badly let down by the Labour supporting Michael Eavis.

You didnt answer either question

No, no and no

I think it's hypocritical to complain about Europeans getting screwed on a zero hours contract when you voted to strip them of the right to work in the country at all.

And we both know that's not true at all, as we've been down this road before.

Nowhere in the referendum, was there a promise by either side to do that. Migrants are welcome here, European, Asian, Martian as my local economy couldn't function without them. But then it's easy to just say that anyone or everyone from Lincolnshire is UKIP or BNP or anything that suits your migration agenda.

So you think that there will still be freedom of movement after we leave the UK?

There will be movement of labour, into and out of this country, from all corners of the world. The Government of the day will decide on what form that will take.

So will EU citizens still have the RIGHT to work here or not? I have currently have the right to work anywhere in Europe, will I have that right after we leave?

Of course you will....as long as you meet the criteria to exercise that right.

Take Australia for example. They set certain criteria for immigration.

If you meet that criteria, you then have the right to go to Australia and work.

No, I dont have the right to work in Australia, or the US, or Canada or any other non-EU country. I currently have the right to work in the UK and all other EU member states. I have just as much right to work in Copenhagen as I do Cardiff at the moment, but I wont after Brexit. You voted to take that right away from me, and away from your friends and family and millions of other people. I find it worrying that you don't even understand the consequences of your vote.

So is your concern the fact, that for some reason, you wouldn't be accepted for work in another EU country?

I seem to recall the EU saying that they wouldn't seek to punish the UK?"

I'm concerned you have taken away rights that I have had since I was born.

This is not about punishing anyone, you obviously fail to appreciate that the EU have fuck all to do with immigration policies of member states towards non-member states.

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By *ercury OP   Man
over a year ago

Grantham


"I actually find Jeremy Corbyn to be a principled and intelligent man. He's not my politics but I respect those who want to follow him.

The fact that 700 people were treated appallingly, just days after he made an impassioned speech about inequality and exploitation, is just a little hard to take.

But 700 people weren't treated appallingly by Corbyn were they?

Is it hypocritical of you to cry about the plight of Europeans coming here to do clean up when you voted to strip them of the right to work here in any job?

Were 700 people treated badly at Glastonbury, signed up for work that didn't materialise when they got there? If yes, then ultimately it's the responsibility of Glastonbury Festival Events Ltd, and their Directors. One of those Directors is the man that both invited Jeremy Corbyn and stood with him on that stage, Michael Eavis.

After a speech by JC, which spoke about youth exploitation, migrant exploitation and wealth distribution, Michael Eavis praised the speech.

As I said before, there is a level of hypocrisy there. And whilst JC wasn't in the know, a level of condemnation of his friend's actions, would have been appreciated, not least by the 700 people badly let down by the Labour supporting Michael Eavis.

You didnt answer either question

No, no and no

I think it's hypocritical to complain about Europeans getting screwed on a zero hours contract when you voted to strip them of the right to work in the country at all.

And we both know that's not true at all, as we've been down this road before.

Nowhere in the referendum, was there a promise by either side to do that. Migrants are welcome here, European, Asian, Martian as my local economy couldn't function without them. But then it's easy to just say that anyone or everyone from Lincolnshire is UKIP or BNP or anything that suits your migration agenda.

So you think that there will still be freedom of movement after we leave the UK?

There will be movement of labour, into and out of this country, from all corners of the world. The Government of the day will decide on what form that will take.

So will EU citizens still have the RIGHT to work here or not? I have currently have the right to work anywhere in Europe, will I have that right after we leave?

Of course you will....as long as you meet the criteria to exercise that right.

Take Australia for example. They set certain criteria for immigration.

If you meet that criteria, you then have the right to go to Australia and work.

No, I dont have the right to work in Australia, or the US, or Canada or any other non-EU country. I currently have the right to work in the UK and all other EU member states. I have just as much right to work in Copenhagen as I do Cardiff at the moment, but I wont after Brexit. You voted to take that right away from me, and away from your friends and family and millions of other people. I find it worrying that you don't even understand the consequences of your vote.

So is your concern the fact, that for some reason, you wouldn't be accepted for work in another EU country?

I seem to recall the EU saying that they wouldn't seek to punish the UK?

I'm concerned you have taken away rights that I have had since I was born.

This is not about punishing anyone, you obviously fail to appreciate that the EU have fuck all to do with immigration policies of member states towards non-member states."

Yes, the same as non-member states have nothing to do with EU immigration policies.

But whatever country of the world you are in, you still have to meet that country's employment criteria.

I get your "if, buts and maybes" but to just label 52% of the country as "stupid and selfish" isn't helpful and only serves to harden attitudes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i'll ask again because the OP has deliberately ducked the question .... exactly who are you accusing of being a hypocrite in your opening gambit? at the moment this is just your dogmatically right wing idealoical rant

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By *ercury OP   Man
over a year ago

Grantham


"i'll ask again because the OP has deliberately ducked the question .... exactly who are you accusing of being a hypocrite in your opening gambit? at the moment this is just your dogmatically right wing idealoical rant "

I worded it very cleverly, obviously too cleverly for some.

Everyone has ignored the first part about Haringey council, fair enough....that story has yet to surface big time.

The facts are Jeremy Corbyn stood on a stage, alongside Michael Eavis, and made a speech about youth exploitation, migrant exploitation, and wealth distribution. Michael Eavis, is both a director of GFL and also a Labour party supporter. (He's even stood for election as a Labour MP). He praised the speech made by Jeremy Corbyn.

A few days later, 700 workers, mainly foreign and young, who had been engaged by GFL, were dismissed from their promised work. Zero hours contracts were used as a reason, the same contracts that Labour pledge to ban.

Now if you can't see the hypocrisy in that, then I'm sorry.

In no posting of mine, did I ever say that JC hired, fired or even knew. But some on here only read the words that they wanted to read, and attacked me in their usual "playground politics" way.

A couple saw what I was getting at, and engaged in proper debate.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"I actually find Jeremy Corbyn to be a principled and intelligent man. He's not my politics but I respect those who want to follow him.

The fact that 700 people were treated appallingly, just days after he made an impassioned speech about inequality and exploitation, is just a little hard to take.

But 700 people weren't treated appallingly by Corbyn were they?

Is it hypocritical of you to cry about the plight of Europeans coming here to do clean up when you voted to strip them of the right to work here in any job?

Were 700 people treated badly at Glastonbury, signed up for work that didn't materialise when they got there? If yes, then ultimately it's the responsibility of Glastonbury Festival Events Ltd, and their Directors. One of those Directors is the man that both invited Jeremy Corbyn and stood with him on that stage, Michael Eavis.

After a speech by JC, which spoke about youth exploitation, migrant exploitation and wealth distribution, Michael Eavis praised the speech.

As I said before, there is a level of hypocrisy there. And whilst JC wasn't in the know, a level of condemnation of his friend's actions, would have been appreciated, not least by the 700 people badly let down by the Labour supporting Michael Eavis.

You didnt answer either question

No, no and no

I think it's hypocritical to complain about Europeans getting screwed on a zero hours contract when you voted to strip them of the right to work in the country at all.

And where's the evidence of that?

Evidence of what?

Of people voting to strip Europeans of the right to work in the country at all.

Where was that on the referendum voting slip?"

In the same place as leaving the Single Market and Customs Union, which was no where. But that doesn't stop BREXITers trying to claim that all three is what the people voted for.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"I actually find Jeremy Corbyn to be a principled and intelligent man. He's not my politics but I respect those who want to follow him.

The fact that 700 people were treated appallingly, just days after he made an impassioned speech about inequality and exploitation, is just a little hard to take.

But 700 people weren't treated appallingly by Corbyn were they?

Is it hypocritical of you to cry about the plight of Europeans coming here to do clean up when you voted to strip them of the right to work here in any job?

Were 700 people treated badly at Glastonbury, signed up for work that didn't materialise when they got there? If yes, then ultimately it's the responsibility of Glastonbury Festival Events Ltd, and their Directors. One of those Directors is the man that both invited Jeremy Corbyn and stood with him on that stage, Michael Eavis.

After a speech by JC, which spoke about youth exploitation, migrant exploitation and wealth distribution, Michael Eavis praised the speech.

As I said before, there is a level of hypocrisy there. And whilst JC wasn't in the know, a level of condemnation of his friend's actions, would have been appreciated, not least by the 700 people badly let down by the Labour supporting Michael Eavis.

You didnt answer either question

No, no and no

I think it's hypocritical to complain about Europeans getting screwed on a zero hours contract when you voted to strip them of the right to work in the country at all.

And we both know that's not true at all, as we've been down this road before.

Nowhere in the referendum, was there a promise by either side to do that. Migrants are welcome here, European, Asian, Martian as my local economy couldn't function without them. But then it's easy to just say that anyone or everyone from Lincolnshire is UKIP or BNP or anything that suits your migration agenda.

So you think that there will still be freedom of movement after we leave the UK?

There will be movement of labour, into and out of this country, from all corners of the world. The Government of the day will decide on what form that will take.

So will EU citizens still have the RIGHT to work here or not? I have currently have the right to work anywhere in Europe, will I have that right after we leave?

Of course you will....as long as you meet the criteria to exercise that right.

Take Australia for example. They set certain criteria for immigration.

If you meet that criteria, you then have the right to go to Australia and work.

No, I dont have the right to work in Australia, or the US, or Canada or any other non-EU country. I currently have the right to work in the UK and all other EU member states. I have just as much right to work in Copenhagen as I do Cardiff at the moment, but I wont after Brexit. You voted to take that right away from me, and away from your friends and family and millions of other people. I find it worrying that you don't even understand the consequences of your vote.

So is your concern the fact, that for some reason, you wouldn't be accepted for work in another EU country?

I seem to recall the EU saying that they wouldn't seek to punish the UK?

I'm concerned you have taken away rights that I have had since I was born.

This is not about punishing anyone, you obviously fail to appreciate that the EU have fuck all to do with immigration policies of member states towards non-member states.

Yes, the same as non-member states have nothing to do with EU immigration policies.

But whatever country of the world you are in, you still have to meet that country's employment criteria.

I get your "if, buts and maybes" but to just label 52% of the country as "stupid and selfish" isn't helpful and only serves to harden attitudes.

"

The EU doesn't have an immigration policy, it has free movement of people inside its own borders, nothing to do with immigration from outside the EU into it.

You are moving away from the point at hand that you have voted to strip away rights from millions of people, and dont even have the balls to admit it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"WTF has this to do with corbyn.The far right have lost the plot. "

Not necessarily...but the OP certainly has.

Total non-story.

They were employed to clean up. The job ends when it's clean.

Hardly rocket science!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i'll ask again because the OP has deliberately ducked the question .... exactly who are you accusing of being a hypocrite in your opening gambit? at the moment this is just your dogmatically right wing idealoical rant

I worded it very cleverly, obviously too cleverly for some.

Everyone has ignored the first part about Haringey council, fair enough....that story has yet to surface big time.

The facts are Jeremy Corbyn stood on a stage, alongside Michael Eavis, and made a speech about youth exploitation, migrant exploitation, and wealth distribution. Michael Eavis, is both a director of GFL and also a Labour party supporter. (He's even stood for election as a Labour MP). He praised the speech made by Jeremy Corbyn.

A few days later, 700 workers, mainly foreign and young, who had been engaged by GFL, were dismissed from their promised work. Zero hours contracts were used as a reason, the same contracts that Labour pledge to ban.

Now if you can't see the hypocrisy in that, then I'm sorry.

In no posting of mine, did I ever say that JC hired, fired or even knew. But some on here only read the words that they wanted to read, and attacked me in their usual "playground politics" way.

A couple saw what I was getting at, and engaged in proper debate.

"

so you ducked the question again ffs ... who are you accusing of hypocracy? type a name into the box without all of your far-right bollox ... just a name or maybe two names even or more ... but own your words and tell us ffs

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By *ercury OP   Man
over a year ago

Grantham


"I actually find Jeremy Corbyn to be a principled and intelligent man. He's not my politics but I respect those who want to follow him.

The fact that 700 people were treated appallingly, just days after he made an impassioned speech about inequality and exploitation, is just a little hard to take.

But 700 people weren't treated appallingly by Corbyn were they?

Is it hypocritical of you to cry about the plight of Europeans coming here to do clean up when you voted to strip them of the right to work here in any job?

Were 700 people treated badly at Glastonbury, signed up for work that didn't materialise when they got there? If yes, then ultimately it's the responsibility of Glastonbury Festival Events Ltd, and their Directors. One of those Directors is the man that both invited Jeremy Corbyn and stood with him on that stage, Michael Eavis.

After a speech by JC, which spoke about youth exploitation, migrant exploitation and wealth distribution, Michael Eavis praised the speech.

As I said before, there is a level of hypocrisy there. And whilst JC wasn't in the know, a level of condemnation of his friend's actions, would have been appreciated, not least by the 700 people badly let down by the Labour supporting Michael Eavis.

You didnt answer either question

No, no and no

I think it's hypocritical to complain about Europeans getting screwed on a zero hours contract when you voted to strip them of the right to work in the country at all.

And we both know that's not true at all, as we've been down this road before.

Nowhere in the referendum, was there a promise by either side to do that. Migrants are welcome here, European, Asian, Martian as my local economy couldn't function without them. But then it's easy to just say that anyone or everyone from Lincolnshire is UKIP or BNP or anything that suits your migration agenda.

So you think that there will still be freedom of movement after we leave the UK?

There will be movement of labour, into and out of this country, from all corners of the world. The Government of the day will decide on what form that will take.

So will EU citizens still have the RIGHT to work here or not? I have currently have the right to work anywhere in Europe, will I have that right after we leave?

Of course you will....as long as you meet the criteria to exercise that right.

Take Australia for example. They set certain criteria for immigration.

If you meet that criteria, you then have the right to go to Australia and work.

No, I dont have the right to work in Australia, or the US, or Canada or any other non-EU country. I currently have the right to work in the UK and all other EU member states. I have just as much right to work in Copenhagen as I do Cardiff at the moment, but I wont after Brexit. You voted to take that right away from me, and away from your friends and family and millions of other people. I find it worrying that you don't even understand the consequences of your vote.

So is your concern the fact, that for some reason, you wouldn't be accepted for work in another EU country?

I seem to recall the EU saying that they wouldn't seek to punish the UK?

I'm concerned you have taken away rights that I have had since I was born.

This is not about punishing anyone, you obviously fail to appreciate that the EU have fuck all to do with immigration policies of member states towards non-member states.

Yes, the same as non-member states have nothing to do with EU immigration policies.

But whatever country of the world you are in, you still have to meet that country's employment criteria.

I get your "if, buts and maybes" but to just label 52% of the country as "stupid and selfish" isn't helpful and only serves to harden attitudes.

The EU doesn't have an immigration policy, it has free movement of people inside its own borders, nothing to do with immigration from outside the EU into it.

You are moving away from the point at hand that you have voted to strip away rights from millions of people, and dont even have the balls to admit it "

I voted "leave" for a variety of reasons. If one of those reasons was "to strip away rights from millions of people" then by proxy, I did just that.

Am I worried about it? Yes. I put out a long posting the other week, that this wasn't going the way that I wanted it to do.

Was I naieve in thinking that after the vote, all sides would respect the outcome and work together for the common good? Guilty as charged.

Do I think Brexit will tear this country apart? Yes I do.

Do I want it stopped and re-evaluated. Yes I do.

Was my vote wrong? Only time will tell on that one.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby


"I actually find Jeremy Corbyn to be a principled and intelligent man. He's not my politics but I respect those who want to follow him.

The fact that 700 people were treated appallingly, just days after he made an impassioned speech about inequality and exploitation, is just a little hard to take.

But 700 people weren't treated appallingly by Corbyn were they?

Is it hypocritical of you to cry about the plight of Europeans coming here to do clean up when you voted to strip them of the right to work here in any job?

Were 700 people treated badly at Glastonbury, signed up for work that didn't materialise when they got there? If yes, then ultimately it's the responsibility of Glastonbury Festival Events Ltd, and their Directors. One of those Directors is the man that both invited Jeremy Corbyn and stood with him on that stage, Michael Eavis.

After a speech by JC, which spoke about youth exploitation, migrant exploitation and wealth distribution, Michael Eavis praised the speech.

As I said before, there is a level of hypocrisy there. And whilst JC wasn't in the know, a level of condemnation of his friend's actions, would have been appreciated, not least by the 700 people badly let down by the Labour supporting Michael Eavis.

You didnt answer either question

No, no and no

I think it's hypocritical to complain about Europeans getting screwed on a zero hours contract when you voted to strip them of the right to work in the country at all.

And we both know that's not true at all, as we've been down this road before.

Nowhere in the referendum, was there a promise by either side to do that. Migrants are welcome here, European, Asian, Martian as my local economy couldn't function without them. But then it's easy to just say that anyone or everyone from Lincolnshire is UKIP or BNP or anything that suits your migration agenda.

So you think that there will still be freedom of movement after we leave the UK?

There will be movement of labour, into and out of this country, from all corners of the world. The Government of the day will decide on what form that will take.

So will EU citizens still have the RIGHT to work here or not? I have currently have the right to work anywhere in Europe, will I have that right after we leave?

Of course you will....as long as you meet the criteria to exercise that right.

Take Australia for example. They set certain criteria for immigration.

If you meet that criteria, you then have the right to go to Australia and work.

No, I dont have the right to work in Australia, or the US, or Canada or any other non-EU country. I currently have the right to work in the UK and all other EU member states. I have just as much right to work in Copenhagen as I do Cardiff at the moment, but I wont after Brexit. You voted to take that right away from me, and away from your friends and family and millions of other people. I find it worrying that you don't even understand the consequences of your vote. "

So does everybody in the worid have the right to work anywhere in the EU? No? Is that because they don't qualify by the EU's criteria?

How often, and for how long, have you exercised your right to work elsewhere in the EU?

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

I find it hypocritical of remainers to say that Brexiters 'didn't know what they were voting for', unless it suits remainers arguments to say otherwise.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So have we decided if corbyn is a hypocrite yet ?.Was anyone a hypocrite at Glastonbury.? Theres got to be atleast one..

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By *ide standMan
over a year ago

Cymau

Corbyn is a spineless, two faced c**t who will criticise everyone else but never take responsibility for anything. Think back to when he voted against sprinklers being fitted to all residential high rises built before 07 and now him and his cronies are banging the drum blaming the Tories for Grenfell.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So have we decided if corbyn is a hypocrite yet ?.Was anyone a hypocrite at Glastonbury.? Theres got to be atleast one.. "

when glastonbury hypocrites attack ... go straight for the juggler

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Corbyn is a spineless, two faced c**t who will criticise everyone else but never take responsibility for anything. Think back to when he voted against sprinklers being fitted to all residential high rises built before 07 and now him and his cronies are banging the drum blaming the Tories for Grenfell."

So on this matter he is being a total hypocrite?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Corbyn is a spineless, two faced c**t who will criticise everyone else but never take responsibility for anything. Think back to when he voted against sprinklers being fitted to all residential high rises built before 07 and now him and his cronies are banging the drum blaming the Tories for Grenfell."
No he didnt. Thats fake news from the far right. Michael knight tweeted that and then took down the tweet as the dickhead even gave a date he voted on it 7th june 2005.It never happened .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So have we decided if corbyn is a hypocrite yet ?.Was anyone a hypocrite at Glastonbury.? Theres got to be atleast one..

when glastonbury hypocrites attack ... go straight for the juggler "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I find it hypocritical of remainers to say that Brexiters 'didn't know what they were voting for', unless it suits remainers arguments to say otherwise."
Did you vote to leave the single market and custom union? If so which leave campaigner told you that is exactly what was gona happen?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So have we decided if corbyn is a hypocrite yet ?.Was anyone a hypocrite at Glastonbury.? Theres got to be atleast one..

when glastonbury hypocrites attack ... go straight for the juggler "

I'm a closet hypocrite (I walk like a woman and talk like a man)....but I wasn't at Glastonbury

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby


"I find it hypocritical of remainers to say that Brexiters 'didn't know what they were voting for', unless it suits remainers arguments to say otherwise. Did you vote to leave the single market and custom union? If so which leave campaigner told you that is exactly what was gona happen?"

Apparently, according to remainers, it was only a vote to leave the EU, and nothing else. Apparently no one who voted for Brexit knew what they were voting for. It's been said on here many many times, it wasn't a vote to leave the systems union, the single markit, to control immigration, to have our own courts over us, nor our own sovereignty.

Only 'to leave the EU'.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados


"I find it hypocritical of remainers to say that Brexiters 'didn't know what they were voting for', unless it suits remainers arguments to say otherwise. Did you vote to leave the single market and custom union? If so which leave campaigner told you that is exactly what was gona happen?

Apparently, according to remainers, it was only a vote to leave the EU, and nothing else. Apparently no one who voted for Brexit knew what they were voting for. It's been said on here many many times, it wasn't a vote to leave the systems union, the single markit, to control immigration, to have our own courts over us, nor our own sovereignty.

Only 'to leave the EU'. "

Wow. Nice spin! Without risk of sounding like a broken record...

Please tell me how 'leave the European Union' explicitly means leaving the customs union and the single market?

And you can arm wrestle Theresa May about the sovereignty point if you want. She thinks we had our own sovereignty whilst in the EU anyway. Why does Hannan think those who voted to leave to reduce immigration will be disappointed?

-Matt

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby


"I find it hypocritical of remainers to say that Brexiters 'didn't know what they were voting for', unless it suits remainers arguments to say otherwise. Did you vote to leave the single market and custom union? If so which leave campaigner told you that is exactly what was gona happen?

Apparently, according to remainers, it was only a vote to leave the EU, and nothing else. Apparently no one who voted for Brexit knew what they were voting for. It's been said on here many many times, it wasn't a vote to leave the systems union, the single markit, to control immigration, to have our own courts over us, nor our own sovereignty.

Only 'to leave the EU'.

Wow. Nice spin! Without risk of sounding like a broken record...

Please tell me how 'leave the European Union' explicitly means leaving the customs union and the single market?

And you can arm wrestle Theresa May about the sovereignty point if you want. She thinks we had our own sovereignty whilst in the EU anyway. Why does Hannan think those who voted to leave to reduce immigration will be disappointed?

-Matt"

You are sounding like a broken record. The reasons for leaving have been debated on here numerous times. Remainers say Brexiters did not know what they were voting for. And now in posts on here remainers say Brexiters knew they were voting to stop immigration and to stop rights of free movement!

As for leave the single market? EVERY leading figure in the remain campaign said "a vote to leave is a vote to leave the single market" (google it if you're unsure)...what could be more explicit than that?....and that was from remainers! But apparently, according to some remainers on here, nobody ever said that!

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados


"I find it hypocritical of remainers to say that Brexiters 'didn't know what they were voting for', unless it suits remainers arguments to say otherwise. Did you vote to leave the single market and custom union? If so which leave campaigner told you that is exactly what was gona happen?

Apparently, according to remainers, it was only a vote to leave the EU, and nothing else. Apparently no one who voted for Brexit knew what they were voting for. It's been said on here many many times, it wasn't a vote to leave the systems union, the single markit, to control immigration, to have our own courts over us, nor our own sovereignty.

Only 'to leave the EU'.

Wow. Nice spin! Without risk of sounding like a broken record...

Please tell me how 'leave the European Union' explicitly means leaving the customs union and the single market?

And you can arm wrestle Theresa May about the sovereignty point if you want. She thinks we had our own sovereignty whilst in the EU anyway. Why does Hannan think those who voted to leave to reduce immigration will be disappointed?

-Matt

You are sounding like a broken record. The reasons for leaving have been debated on here numerous times. Remainers say Brexiters did not know what they were voting for. And now in posts on here remainers say Brexiters knew they were voting to stop immigration and to stop rights of free movement!

As for leave the single market? EVERY leading figure in the remain campaign said "a vote to leave is a vote to leave the single market" (google it if you're unsure)...what could be more explicit than that?....and that was from remainers! But apparently, according to some remainers on here, nobody ever said that!"

I've google it before. I believe I put all the quotes on here before, but here are a few to keep you reminded of leave campaigners telling people that we could or would be better of staying in the single market:

Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market

Daniel Hannan MEP

Only a madman would actually leave the Market

Owen Paterson MP, Vote Leave backer

The Norwegian option, the EEA option, I think that it might be initally attractive for some business people

Matthew Elliot, Vote Leave chief executive

Increasingly, the Norway option looks the best for the UK

Arron Banks, Leave.EU founder

And no, that is the problem. Leave voters were all voting for different things. No-one knows that they were actually wanting to get out of leaving the EU. Hence we are in this clusterfuck now. As since we don't know what 'the will of the people' (yuck!) actually wanted, no-one knows how to actually negotiate for it.

-Matt

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby


"I find it hypocritical of remainers to say that Brexiters 'didn't know what they were voting for', unless it suits remainers arguments to say otherwise. Did you vote to leave the single market and custom union? If so which leave campaigner told you that is exactly what was gona happen?

Apparently, according to remainers, it was only a vote to leave the EU, and nothing else. Apparently no one who voted for Brexit knew what they were voting for. It's been said on here many many times, it wasn't a vote to leave the systems union, the single markit, to control immigration, to have our own courts over us, nor our own sovereignty.

Only 'to leave the EU'.

Wow. Nice spin! Without risk of sounding like a broken record...

Please tell me how 'leave the European Union' explicitly means leaving the customs union and the single market?

And you can arm wrestle Theresa May about the sovereignty point if you want. She thinks we had our own sovereignty whilst in the EU anyway. Why does Hannan think those who voted to leave to reduce immigration will be disappointed?

-Matt

You are sounding like a broken record. The reasons for leaving have been debated on here numerous times. Remainers say Brexiters did not know what they were voting for. And now in posts on here remainers say Brexiters knew they were voting to stop immigration and to stop rights of free movement!

As for leave the single market? EVERY leading figure in the remain campaign said "a vote to leave is a vote to leave the single market" (google it if you're unsure)...what could be more explicit than that?....and that was from remainers! But apparently, according to some remainers on here, nobody ever said that!

I've google it before. I believe I put all the quotes on here before, but here are a few to keep you reminded of leave campaigners telling people that we could or would be better of staying in the single market:

Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market

Daniel Hannan MEP

Only a madman would actually leave the Market

Owen Paterson MP, Vote Leave backer

The Norwegian option, the EEA option, I think that it might be initally attractive for some business people

Matthew Elliot, Vote Leave chief executive

Increasingly, the Norway option looks the best for the UK

Arron Banks, Leave.EU founder

And no, that is the problem. Leave voters were all voting for different things. No-one knows that they were actually wanting to get out of leaving the EU. Hence we are in this clusterfuck now. As since we don't know what 'the will of the people' (yuck!) actually wanted, no-one knows how to actually negotiate for it.

-Matt"

I've met Daniel Hannon. Listened to him speak. And had a conversation with him about the single market. If you're going to quote him, you should quote him in the full context of what he says. He goes on to say, as the leave campaign was pretty consistent in saying, was that access to the single market is wanted, not full membership.

Daniel Hannon actually gets pretty pissed off with people quoting just a small bit of what he actually thinks and says.

"A vote to leave is a vote to leave the single market" David Cameron.12th June 2016

"A vote to leave is a vote to leave the single market" George Osborne 8th June 2016

"We should be outside the single market but [having] access to it" Michael Gove 8th May 2016

We will be leaving the single market. Andrea Leadsom 28th April 2016

We would be out of the single Market. Boris Johnson. 5th June 2016.

Repeat after me - Single market membership and single market access are not the same thing. Daniel Hannon

Staying in the customs union after brexit would be a disaster for Britain's trade. Daniel Hannon.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think while a large % of people who voted Leave knew that leaving meant leaving the single market etc I don't think they understood the colossal implications and impact that may have on our trade & economy of doing so.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Haringey council has embarked on a huge programme of selling off publicly owned social housing, despite concerns of local residents and local MPs.

Jeremy Corbyn speaks at Glastonbury about workers rights and exploitation, but then 700 clear-up workers are made redundant there after just two days. Many had travelled from Europe for two weeks work, but were sent on their way, without any compensation, as they were on "zero hours".

How will Labour spin these, or are they hoping to keep them under the radar?"

It's absolutely awful and I have been protesting it for months. David Lammy wrote to beg the council to halt the process but they went ahead anyway. Many Councillors didn't turn up for the vote. It's £2bn of assets tied up with the private sector for 250 years.

Not all of Labour is behind this sell off.

The local authority is cash-strapped and relatively land rich (for a London LA), has a huge housing need and has lost 30% of central government funding. The new business rates model will leave them even worse off. However, this deal with Lendlease is not, in my view, the right way to go. The private sector does not enter these deals as an act of charity and a 20% management fee and guaranteed 60% of all the work will just strip money out of the borough.

As to the Glastonbury clean up crews, then it is shameful and exposing that is good. However, as Corbyn didn't employ them it may be surmised that he didn't know about it when he made that speech. He should condemn it now.

I haven't read through the thread as I expect the B word will appear and the usual Punch and Judy show will have exploded. My guess it is that it hasn't discussed the actual topics much.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"I find it hypocritical of remainers to say that Brexiters 'didn't know what they were voting for', unless it suits remainers arguments to say otherwise. Did you vote to leave the single market and custom union? If so which leave campaigner told you that is exactly what was gona happen?

Apparently, according to remainers, it was only a vote to leave the EU, and nothing else. Apparently no one who voted for Brexit knew what they were voting for. It's been said on here many many times, it wasn't a vote to leave the systems union, the single markit, to control immigration, to have our own courts over us, nor our own sovereignty.

Only 'to leave the EU'.

Wow. Nice spin! Without risk of sounding like a broken record...

Please tell me how 'leave the European Union' explicitly means leaving the customs union and the single market?

And you can arm wrestle Theresa May about the sovereignty point if you want. She thinks we had our own sovereignty whilst in the EU anyway. Why does Hannan think those who voted to leave to reduce immigration will be disappointed?

-Matt

You are sounding like a broken record. The reasons for leaving have been debated on here numerous times. Remainers say Brexiters did not know what they were voting for. And now in posts on here remainers say Brexiters knew they were voting to stop immigration and to stop rights of free movement!

As for leave the single market? EVERY leading figure in the remain campaign said "a vote to leave is a vote to leave the single market" (google it if you're unsure)...what could be more explicit than that?....and that was from remainers! But apparently, according to some remainers on here, nobody ever said that!

I've google it before. I believe I put all the quotes on here before, but here are a few to keep you reminded of leave campaigners telling people that we could or would be better of staying in the single market:

Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market

Daniel Hannan MEP

Only a madman would actually leave the Market

Owen Paterson MP, Vote Leave backer

The Norwegian option, the EEA option, I think that it might be initally attractive for some business people

Matthew Elliot, Vote Leave chief executive

Increasingly, the Norway option looks the best for the UK

Arron Banks, Leave.EU founder

And no, that is the problem. Leave voters were all voting for different things. No-one knows that they were actually wanting to get out of leaving the EU. Hence we are in this clusterfuck now. As since we don't know what 'the will of the people' (yuck!) actually wanted, no-one knows how to actually negotiate for it.

-Matt

I've met Daniel Hannon. Listened to him speak. And had a conversation with him about the single market. If you're going to quote him, you should quote him in the full context of what he says. He goes on to say, as the leave campaign was pretty consistent in saying, was that access to the single market is wanted, not full membership.

Daniel Hannon actually gets pretty pissed off with people quoting just a small bit of what he actually thinks and says.

"A vote to leave is a vote to leave the single market" David Cameron.12th June 2016

"A vote to leave is a vote to leave the single market" George Osborne 8th June 2016

"We should be outside the single market but [having] access to it" Michael Gove 8th May 2016

We will be leaving the single market. Andrea Leadsom 28th April 2016

We would be out of the single Market. Boris Johnson. 5th June 2016.

Repeat after me - Single market membership and single market access are not the same thing. Daniel Hannon

Staying in the customs union after brexit would be a disaster for Britain's trade. Daniel Hannon.

"

Can you name one country in the world that doesn't have access to the single market?

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby


"I find it hypocritical of remainers to say that Brexiters 'didn't know what they were voting for', unless it suits remainers arguments to say otherwise. Did you vote to leave the single market and custom union? If so which leave campaigner told you that is exactly what was gona happen?

Apparently, according to remainers, it was only a vote to leave the EU, and nothing else. Apparently no one who voted for Brexit knew what they were voting for. It's been said on here many many times, it wasn't a vote to leave the systems union, the single markit, to control immigration, to have our own courts over us, nor our own sovereignty.

Only 'to leave the EU'.

Wow. Nice spin! Without risk of sounding like a broken record...

Please tell me how 'leave the European Union' explicitly means leaving the customs union and the single market?

And you can arm wrestle Theresa May about the sovereignty point if you want. She thinks we had our own sovereignty whilst in the EU anyway. Why does Hannan think those who voted to leave to reduce immigration will be disappointed?

-Matt

You are sounding like a broken record. The reasons for leaving have been debated on here numerous times. Remainers say Brexiters did not know what they were voting for. And now in posts on here remainers say Brexiters knew they were voting to stop immigration and to stop rights of free movement!

As for leave the single market? EVERY leading figure in the remain campaign said "a vote to leave is a vote to leave the single market" (google it if you're unsure)...what could be more explicit than that?....and that was from remainers! But apparently, according to some remainers on here, nobody ever said that!

I've google it before. I believe I put all the quotes on here before, but here are a few to keep you reminded of leave campaigners telling people that we could or would be better of staying in the single market:

Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market

Daniel Hannan MEP

Only a madman would actually leave the Market

Owen Paterson MP, Vote Leave backer

The Norwegian option, the EEA option, I think that it might be initally attractive for some business people

Matthew Elliot, Vote Leave chief executive

Increasingly, the Norway option looks the best for the UK

Arron Banks, Leave.EU founder

And no, that is the problem. Leave voters were all voting for different things. No-one knows that they were actually wanting to get out of leaving the EU. Hence we are in this clusterfuck now. As since we don't know what 'the will of the people' (yuck!) actually wanted, no-one knows how to actually negotiate for it.

-Matt

I've met Daniel Hannon. Listened to him speak. And had a conversation with him about the single market. If you're going to quote him, you should quote him in the full context of what he says. He goes on to say, as the leave campaign was pretty consistent in saying, was that access to the single market is wanted, not full membership.

Daniel Hannon actually gets pretty pissed off with people quoting just a small bit of what he actually thinks and says.

"A vote to leave is a vote to leave the single market" David Cameron.12th June 2016

"A vote to leave is a vote to leave the single market" George Osborne 8th June 2016

"We should be outside the single market but [having] access to it" Michael Gove 8th May 2016

We will be leaving the single market. Andrea Leadsom 28th April 2016

We would be out of the single Market. Boris Johnson. 5th June 2016.

Repeat after me - Single market membership and single market access are not the same thing. Daniel Hannon

Staying in the customs union after brexit would be a disaster for Britain's trade. Daniel Hannon.

Can you name one country in the world that doesn't have access to the single market? "

Your point being?

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados


"I think while a large % of people who voted Leave knew that leaving meant leaving the single market etc I don't think they understood the colossal implications and impact that may have on our trade & economy of doing so.

"

Exactly, I think that is the key point. The debate was simplified so much, that the actual details were swept under the carpet. The problem being, those details matter. Those details are where time consuming, and ultimately costly negotiation is going to need to take place.

I mean, just look at the proposals put forth from the EU on the transportation of bull semen. It was used recently to highlight the complexities that need to be worked out. That is just one single example. We have thousands to get through.

-Matt

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados


"As to the Glastonbury clean up crews, then it is shameful and exposing that is good. However, as Corbyn didn't employ them it may be surmised that he didn't know about it when he made that speech. He should condemn it now"

Corbyn (at least his spokesperson) condemned the use of zero hour contracts there yesterday:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/05/jeremy-corbyn-attacks-use-zero-hours-contracts-glastonbury-festival

-Matt

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"And no one has commented on a Labour council not listening to residents concerns, and ploughing ahead with privatising their social housing stock!"

You did...

But I notice you failed to mention call me weer all in it together (pig fucker) Daves changes to 'right to buy' legislation forcing housing associations to sell their housing stock to tenants and councils to offer any remaining housing stock to the commercial market.

Guess the OP was right...

Nothing quite like the hypocrisy of tories and their supporters in blaming a Labour council for obeying a Tory law and blaming the Labour leader for a private companies employment policy.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"I find it hypocritical of remainers to say that Brexiters 'didn't know what they were voting for', unless it suits remainers arguments to say otherwise. Did you vote to leave the single market and custom union? If so which leave campaigner told you that is exactly what was gona happen?

Apparently, according to remainers, it was only a vote to leave the EU, and nothing else. Apparently no one who voted for Brexit knew what they were voting for. It's been said on here many many times, it wasn't a vote to leave the systems union, the single markit, to control immigration, to have our own courts over us, nor our own sovereignty.

Only 'to leave the EU'.

Wow. Nice spin! Without risk of sounding like a broken record...

Please tell me how 'leave the European Union' explicitly means leaving the customs union and the single market?

And you can arm wrestle Theresa May about the sovereignty point if you want. She thinks we had our own sovereignty whilst in the EU anyway. Why does Hannan think those who voted to leave to reduce immigration will be disappointed?

-Matt

You are sounding like a broken record. The reasons for leaving have been debated on here numerous times. Remainers say Brexiters did not know what they were voting for. And now in posts on here remainers say Brexiters knew they were voting to stop immigration and to stop rights of free movement!

As for leave the single market? EVERY leading figure in the remain campaign said "a vote to leave is a vote to leave the single market" (google it if you're unsure)...what could be more explicit than that?....and that was from remainers! But apparently, according to some remainers on here, nobody ever said that!

I've google it before. I believe I put all the quotes on here before, but here are a few to keep you reminded of leave campaigners telling people that we could or would be better of staying in the single market:

Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market

Daniel Hannan MEP

Only a madman would actually leave the Market

Owen Paterson MP, Vote Leave backer

The Norwegian option, the EEA option, I think that it might be initally attractive for some business people

Matthew Elliot, Vote Leave chief executive

Increasingly, the Norway option looks the best for the UK

Arron Banks, Leave.EU founder

And no, that is the problem. Leave voters were all voting for different things. No-one knows that they were actually wanting to get out of leaving the EU. Hence we are in this clusterfuck now. As since we don't know what 'the will of the people' (yuck!) actually wanted, no-one knows how to actually negotiate for it.

-Matt"

Nice selective editing of quotes there, from the likes of Daniel Hanan and Owen Patterson, lol. I take it you got those quotes from watching the ridiculous Open Britain video, yes the same video that CLCC posted a link on here to some months ago and it's the same video that was completely destroyed by Andrew Neil on the BBC Daily politics programme some months ago when Andrew Neil played the full quotes from Owen Paterson and Mathew Elliot to the leader of Open Britain and not the short misleading edited quotes bit part cherry picked out by Open Britain.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"I find it hypocritical of remainers to say that Brexiters 'didn't know what they were voting for', unless it suits remainers arguments to say otherwise. Did you vote to leave the single market and custom union? If so which leave campaigner told you that is exactly what was gona happen?

Apparently, according to remainers, it was only a vote to leave the EU, and nothing else. Apparently no one who voted for Brexit knew what they were voting for. It's been said on here many many times, it wasn't a vote to leave the systems union, the single markit, to control immigration, to have our own courts over us, nor our own sovereignty.

Only 'to leave the EU'.

Wow. Nice spin! Without risk of sounding like a broken record...

Please tell me how 'leave the European Union' explicitly means leaving the customs union and the single market?

And you can arm wrestle Theresa May about the sovereignty point if you want. She thinks we had our own sovereignty whilst in the EU anyway. Why does Hannan think those who voted to leave to reduce immigration will be disappointed?

-Matt

You are sounding like a broken record. The reasons for leaving have been debated on here numerous times. Remainers say Brexiters did not know what they were voting for. And now in posts on here remainers say Brexiters knew they were voting to stop immigration and to stop rights of free movement!

As for leave the single market? EVERY leading figure in the remain campaign said "a vote to leave is a vote to leave the single market" (google it if you're unsure)...what could be more explicit than that?....and that was from remainers! But apparently, according to some remainers on here, nobody ever said that!

I've google it before. I believe I put all the quotes on here before, but here are a few to keep you reminded of leave campaigners telling people that we could or would be better of staying in the single market:

Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market

Daniel Hannan MEP

Only a madman would actually leave the Market

Owen Paterson MP, Vote Leave backer

The Norwegian option, the EEA option, I think that it might be initally attractive for some business people

Matthew Elliot, Vote Leave chief executive

Increasingly, the Norway option looks the best for the UK

Arron Banks, Leave.EU founder

And no, that is the problem. Leave voters were all voting for different things. No-one knows that they were actually wanting to get out of leaving the EU. Hence we are in this clusterfuck now. As since we don't know what 'the will of the people' (yuck!) actually wanted, no-one knows how to actually negotiate for it.

-Matt

Nice selective editing of quotes there, from the likes of Daniel Hanan and Owen Patterson, lol. I take it you got those quotes from watching the ridiculous Open Britain video, yes the same video that CLCC posted a link on here to some months ago and it's the same video that was completely destroyed by Andrew Neil on the BBC Daily politics programme some months ago when Andrew Neil played the full quotes from Owen Paterson and Mathew Elliot to the leader of Open Britain and not the short misleading edited quotes bit part cherry picked out by Open Britain. "

If anyone wants to watch the video of Andrew Neil destroying the Open Britain video on BBC Sunday politics programme just search "Open Britain Andrew Neil" on YouTube.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

The effort to make political profit out of the destruction of characters can only result in public calamity. Gross and reckless assaults on character, whether on the stump or in newspapers, magazine or book, or on social media create a morbid and vicious public sentiment, and at the same time act as a profound deterrent to able people of normal sensitiveness and tend to prevent them entering public service at any price.

Remember, even in the case of a crime, if it is attached in sensational, lurid, and untruthful fashion, the attack may do more harm to the public mind than the crime itself.

para phrased from Theodore Roosevelt 14/Apr/1906

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Interesting update:

Corbyn has condemned the use of zero hours contracts at Glastonbury.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Interesting update:

Corbyn has condemned the use of zero hours contracts at Glastonbury.

"
Fair Play to him !

Let's see Eavis stump up some money !

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"I find it hypocritical of remainers to say that Brexiters 'didn't know what they were voting for', unless it suits remainers arguments to say otherwise. Did you vote to leave the single market and custom union? If so which leave campaigner told you that is exactly what was gona happen?

Apparently, according to remainers, it was only a vote to leave the EU, and nothing else. Apparently no one who voted for Brexit knew what they were voting for. It's been said on here many many times, it wasn't a vote to leave the systems union, the single markit, to control immigration, to have our own courts over us, nor our own sovereignty.

Only 'to leave the EU'.

Wow. Nice spin! Without risk of sounding like a broken record...

Please tell me how 'leave the European Union' explicitly means leaving the customs union and the single market?

And you can arm wrestle Theresa May about the sovereignty point if you want. She thinks we had our own sovereignty whilst in the EU anyway. Why does Hannan think those who voted to leave to reduce immigration will be disappointed?

-Matt

You are sounding like a broken record. The reasons for leaving have been debated on here numerous times. Remainers say Brexiters did not know what they were voting for. And now in posts on here remainers say Brexiters knew they were voting to stop immigration and to stop rights of free movement!

As for leave the single market? EVERY leading figure in the remain campaign said "a vote to leave is a vote to leave the single market" (google it if you're unsure)...what could be more explicit than that?....and that was from remainers! But apparently, according to some remainers on here, nobody ever said that!

I've google it before. I believe I put all the quotes on here before, but here are a few to keep you reminded of leave campaigners telling people that we could or would be better of staying in the single market:

Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market

Daniel Hannan MEP

Only a madman would actually leave the Market

Owen Paterson MP, Vote Leave backer

The Norwegian option, the EEA option, I think that it might be initally attractive for some business people

Matthew Elliot, Vote Leave chief executive

Increasingly, the Norway option looks the best for the UK

Arron Banks, Leave.EU founder

And no, that is the problem. Leave voters were all voting for different things. No-one knows that they were actually wanting to get out of leaving the EU. Hence we are in this clusterfuck now. As since we don't know what 'the will of the people' (yuck!) actually wanted, no-one knows how to actually negotiate for it.

-Matt

I've met Daniel Hannon. Listened to him speak. And had a conversation with him about the single market. If you're going to quote him, you should quote him in the full context of what he says. He goes on to say, as the leave campaign was pretty consistent in saying, was that access to the single market is wanted, not full membership.

Daniel Hannon actually gets pretty pissed off with people quoting just a small bit of what he actually thinks and says.

"A vote to leave is a vote to leave the single market" David Cameron.12th June 2016

"A vote to leave is a vote to leave the single market" George Osborne 8th June 2016

"We should be outside the single market but [having] access to it" Michael Gove 8th May 2016

We will be leaving the single market. Andrea Leadsom 28th April 2016

We would be out of the single Market. Boris Johnson. 5th June 2016.

Repeat after me - Single market membership and single market access are not the same thing. Daniel Hannon

Staying in the customs union after brexit would be a disaster for Britain's trade. Daniel Hannon.

Can you name one country in the world that doesn't have access to the single market?

Your point being?"

Its disingenuous to say that you want access to the single market, as if that's an important and difficult to agree relationship when every country in the world already has that.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"I find it hypocritical of remainers to say that Brexiters 'didn't know what they were voting for', unless it suits remainers arguments to say otherwise. Did you vote to leave the single market and custom union? If so which leave campaigner told you that is exactly what was gona happen?

Apparently, according to remainers, it was only a vote to leave the EU, and nothing else. Apparently no one who voted for Brexit knew what they were voting for. It's been said on here many many times, it wasn't a vote to leave the systems union, the single markit, to control immigration, to have our own courts over us, nor our own sovereignty.

Only 'to leave the EU'.

Wow. Nice spin! Without risk of sounding like a broken record...

Please tell me how 'leave the European Union' explicitly means leaving the customs union and the single market?

And you can arm wrestle Theresa May about the sovereignty point if you want. She thinks we had our own sovereignty whilst in the EU anyway. Why does Hannan think those who voted to leave to reduce immigration will be disappointed?

-Matt

You are sounding like a broken record. The reasons for leaving have been debated on here numerous times. Remainers say Brexiters did not know what they were voting for. And now in posts on here remainers say Brexiters knew they were voting to stop immigration and to stop rights of free movement!

As for leave the single market? EVERY leading figure in the remain campaign said "a vote to leave is a vote to leave the single market" (google it if you're unsure)...what could be more explicit than that?....and that was from remainers! But apparently, according to some remainers on here, nobody ever said that!

I've google it before. I believe I put all the quotes on here before, but here are a few to keep you reminded of leave campaigners telling people that we could or would be better of staying in the single market:

Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market

Daniel Hannan MEP

Only a madman would actually leave the Market

Owen Paterson MP, Vote Leave backer

The Norwegian option, the EEA option, I think that it might be initally attractive for some business people

Matthew Elliot, Vote Leave chief executive

Increasingly, the Norway option looks the best for the UK

Arron Banks, Leave.EU founder

And no, that is the problem. Leave voters were all voting for different things. No-one knows that they were actually wanting to get out of leaving the EU. Hence we are in this clusterfuck now. As since we don't know what 'the will of the people' (yuck!) actually wanted, no-one knows how to actually negotiate for it.

-Matt

Nice selective editing of quotes there, from the likes of Daniel Hanan and Owen Patterson, lol. I take it you got those quotes from watching the ridiculous Open Britain video, yes the same video that CLCC posted a link on here to some months ago and it's the same video that was completely destroyed by Andrew Neil on the BBC Daily politics programme some months ago when Andrew Neil played the full quotes from Owen Paterson and Mathew Elliot to the leader of Open Britain and not the short misleading edited quotes bit part cherry picked out by Open Britain.

If anyone wants to watch the video of Andrew Neil destroying the Open Britain video on BBC Sunday politics programme just search "Open Britain Andrew Neil" on YouTube. "

It wasn't destroyed at all! The longer clips just showed what a bunch of liars the Leave campaigners were

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"I find it hypocritical of remainers to say that Brexiters 'didn't know what they were voting for', unless it suits remainers arguments to say otherwise. Did you vote to leave the single market and custom union? If so which leave campaigner told you that is exactly what was gona happen?

Apparently, according to remainers, it was only a vote to leave the EU, and nothing else. Apparently no one who voted for Brexit knew what they were voting for. It's been said on here many many times, it wasn't a vote to leave the systems union, the single markit, to control immigration, to have our own courts over us, nor our own sovereignty.

Only 'to leave the EU'.

Wow. Nice spin! Without risk of sounding like a broken record...

Please tell me how 'leave the European Union' explicitly means leaving the customs union and the single market?

And you can arm wrestle Theresa May about the sovereignty point if you want. She thinks we had our own sovereignty whilst in the EU anyway. Why does Hannan think those who voted to leave to reduce immigration will be disappointed?

-Matt

You are sounding like a broken record. The reasons for leaving have been debated on here numerous times. Remainers say Brexiters did not know what they were voting for. And now in posts on here remainers say Brexiters knew they were voting to stop immigration and to stop rights of free movement!

As for leave the single market? EVERY leading figure in the remain campaign said "a vote to leave is a vote to leave the single market" (google it if you're unsure)...what could be more explicit than that?....and that was from remainers! But apparently, according to some remainers on here, nobody ever said that!

I've google it before. I believe I put all the quotes on here before, but here are a few to keep you reminded of leave campaigners telling people that we could or would be better of staying in the single market:

Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market

Daniel Hannan MEP

Only a madman would actually leave the Market

Owen Paterson MP, Vote Leave backer

The Norwegian option, the EEA option, I think that it might be initally attractive for some business people

Matthew Elliot, Vote Leave chief executive

Increasingly, the Norway option looks the best for the UK

Arron Banks, Leave.EU founder

And no, that is the problem. Leave voters were all voting for different things. No-one knows that they were actually wanting to get out of leaving the EU. Hence we are in this clusterfuck now. As since we don't know what 'the will of the people' (yuck!) actually wanted, no-one knows how to actually negotiate for it.

-Matt

Nice selective editing of quotes there, from the likes of Daniel Hanan and Owen Patterson, lol. I take it you got those quotes from watching the ridiculous Open Britain video, yes the same video that CLCC posted a link on here to some months ago and it's the same video that was completely destroyed by Andrew Neil on the BBC Daily politics programme some months ago when Andrew Neil played the full quotes from Owen Paterson and Mathew Elliot to the leader of Open Britain and not the short misleading edited quotes bit part cherry picked out by Open Britain.

If anyone wants to watch the video of Andrew Neil destroying the Open Britain video on BBC Sunday politics programme just search "Open Britain Andrew Neil" on YouTube.

It wasn't destroyed at all! The longer clips just showed what a bunch of liars the Leave campaigners were"

No, the longer clip on YouTube shows Open Britain are deliberately trying to mislead the public, by taking a small sentence out of a paragraph long quote, taking the quote completely out of context to what was originally said in the longer quote. Fair play to Andrew Neil for calling it out on the Sunday politics programme and he put the full unedited quotes out there for people to make their own minds up on (much to the annoyance of the Open Britain guy being interviewed by Andrew Neil).

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"I find it hypocritical of remainers to say that Brexiters 'didn't know what they were voting for', unless it suits remainers arguments to say otherwise. Did you vote to leave the single market and custom union? If so which leave campaigner told you that is exactly what was gona happen?

Apparently, according to remainers, it was only a vote to leave the EU, and nothing else. Apparently no one who voted for Brexit knew what they were voting for. It's been said on here many many times, it wasn't a vote to leave the systems union, the single markit, to control immigration, to have our own courts over us, nor our own sovereignty.

Only 'to leave the EU'.

Wow. Nice spin! Without risk of sounding like a broken record...

Please tell me how 'leave the European Union' explicitly means leaving the customs union and the single market?

And you can arm wrestle Theresa May about the sovereignty point if you want. She thinks we had our own sovereignty whilst in the EU anyway. Why does Hannan think those who voted to leave to reduce immigration will be disappointed?

-Matt

You are sounding like a broken record. The reasons for leaving have been debated on here numerous times. Remainers say Brexiters did not know what they were voting for. And now in posts on here remainers say Brexiters knew they were voting to stop immigration and to stop rights of free movement!

As for leave the single market? EVERY leading figure in the remain campaign said "a vote to leave is a vote to leave the single market" (google it if you're unsure)...what could be more explicit than that?....and that was from remainers! But apparently, according to some remainers on here, nobody ever said that!

I've google it before. I believe I put all the quotes on here before, but here are a few to keep you reminded of leave campaigners telling people that we could or would be better of staying in the single market:

Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market

Daniel Hannan MEP

Only a madman would actually leave the Market

Owen Paterson MP, Vote Leave backer

The Norwegian option, the EEA option, I think that it might be initally attractive for some business people

Matthew Elliot, Vote Leave chief executive

Increasingly, the Norway option looks the best for the UK

Arron Banks, Leave.EU founder

And no, that is the problem. Leave voters were all voting for different things. No-one knows that they were actually wanting to get out of leaving the EU. Hence we are in this clusterfuck now. As since we don't know what 'the will of the people' (yuck!) actually wanted, no-one knows how to actually negotiate for it.

-Matt

Nice selective editing of quotes there, from the likes of Daniel Hanan and Owen Patterson, lol. I take it you got those quotes from watching the ridiculous Open Britain video, yes the same video that CLCC posted a link on here to some months ago and it's the same video that was completely destroyed by Andrew Neil on the BBC Daily politics programme some months ago when Andrew Neil played the full quotes from Owen Paterson and Mathew Elliot to the leader of Open Britain and not the short misleading edited quotes bit part cherry picked out by Open Britain.

If anyone wants to watch the video of Andrew Neil destroying the Open Britain video on BBC Sunday politics programme just search "Open Britain Andrew Neil" on YouTube.

It wasn't destroyed at all! The longer clips just showed what a bunch of liars the Leave campaigners were

No, the longer clip on YouTube shows Open Britain are deliberately trying to mislead the public, by taking a small sentence out of a paragraph long quote, taking the quote completely out of context to what was originally said in the longer quote. Fair play to Andrew Neil for calling it out on the Sunday politics programme and he put the full unedited quotes out there for people to make their own minds up on (much to the annoyance of the Open Britain guy being interviewed by Andrew Neil)."

Sorry Centaur, but I think you’ll find both videos actually show that it was the Leave campaigners who were deliberately trying to mislead the public. Im not sure why you are trying to publicise the video on a thread about hypocrisy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When Nicolas Cage released movies the number of suicides went up.

Thought I leave that there....

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby


"I find it hypocritical of remainers to say that Brexiters 'didn't know what they were voting for', unless it suits remainers arguments to say otherwise. Did you vote to leave the single market and custom union? If so which leave campaigner told you that is exactly what was gona happen?

Apparently, according to remainers, it was only a vote to leave the EU, and nothing else. Apparently no one who voted for Brexit knew what they were voting for. It's been said on here many many times, it wasn't a vote to leave the systems union, the single markit, to control immigration, to have our own courts over us, nor our own sovereignty.

Only 'to leave the EU'.

Wow. Nice spin! Without risk of sounding like a broken record...

Please tell me how 'leave the European Union' explicitly means leaving the customs union and the single market?

And you can arm wrestle Theresa May about the sovereignty point if you want. She thinks we had our own sovereignty whilst in the EU anyway. Why does Hannan think those who voted to leave to reduce immigration will be disappointed?

-Matt

You are sounding like a broken record. The reasons for leaving have been debated on here numerous times. Remainers say Brexiters did not know what they were voting for. And now in posts on here remainers say Brexiters knew they were voting to stop immigration and to stop rights of free movement!

As for leave the single market? EVERY leading figure in the remain campaign said "a vote to leave is a vote to leave the single market" (google it if you're unsure)...what could be more explicit than that?....and that was from remainers! But apparently, according to some remainers on here, nobody ever said that!

I've google it before. I believe I put all the quotes on here before, but here are a few to keep you reminded of leave campaigners telling people that we could or would be better of staying in the single market:

Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market

Daniel Hannan MEP

Only a madman would actually leave the Market

Owen Paterson MP, Vote Leave backer

The Norwegian option, the EEA option, I think that it might be initally attractive for some business people

Matthew Elliot, Vote Leave chief executive

Increasingly, the Norway option looks the best for the UK

Arron Banks, Leave.EU founder

And no, that is the problem. Leave voters were all voting for different things. No-one knows that they were actually wanting to get out of leaving the EU. Hence we are in this clusterfuck now. As since we don't know what 'the will of the people' (yuck!) actually wanted, no-one knows how to actually negotiate for it.

-Matt

I've met Daniel Hannon. Listened to him speak. And had a conversation with him about the single market. If you're going to quote him, you should quote him in the full context of what he says. He goes on to say, as the leave campaign was pretty consistent in saying, was that access to the single market is wanted, not full membership.

Daniel Hannon actually gets pretty pissed off with people quoting just a small bit of what he actually thinks and says.

"A vote to leave is a vote to leave the single market" David Cameron.12th June 2016

"A vote to leave is a vote to leave the single market" George Osborne 8th June 2016

"We should be outside the single market but [having] access to it" Michael Gove 8th May 2016

We will be leaving the single market. Andrea Leadsom 28th April 2016

We would be out of the single Market. Boris Johnson. 5th June 2016.

Repeat after me - Single market membership and single market access are not the same thing. Daniel Hannon

Staying in the customs union after brexit would be a disaster for Britain's trade. Daniel Hannon.

Can you name one country in the world that doesn't have access to the single market?

Your point being?

Its disingenuous to say that you want access to the single market, as if that's an important and difficult to agree relationship when every country in the world already has that. "

So there's no problem with leaving the single market then, as we'll still have access to it.

Thanks for clearing that up.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"I find it hypocritical of remainers to say that Brexiters 'didn't know what they were voting for', unless it suits remainers arguments to say otherwise. Did you vote to leave the single market and custom union? If so which leave campaigner told you that is exactly what was gona happen?

Apparently, according to remainers, it was only a vote to leave the EU, and nothing else. Apparently no one who voted for Brexit knew what they were voting for. It's been said on here many many times, it wasn't a vote to leave the systems union, the single markit, to control immigration, to have our own courts over us, nor our own sovereignty.

Only 'to leave the EU'.

Wow. Nice spin! Without risk of sounding like a broken record...

Please tell me how 'leave the European Union' explicitly means leaving the customs union and the single market?

And you can arm wrestle Theresa May about the sovereignty point if you want. She thinks we had our own sovereignty whilst in the EU anyway. Why does Hannan think those who voted to leave to reduce immigration will be disappointed?

-Matt

You are sounding like a broken record. The reasons for leaving have been debated on here numerous times. Remainers say Brexiters did not know what they were voting for. And now in posts on here remainers say Brexiters knew they were voting to stop immigration and to stop rights of free movement!

As for leave the single market? EVERY leading figure in the remain campaign said "a vote to leave is a vote to leave the single market" (google it if you're unsure)...what could be more explicit than that?....and that was from remainers! But apparently, according to some remainers on here, nobody ever said that!

I've google it before. I believe I put all the quotes on here before, but here are a few to keep you reminded of leave campaigners telling people that we could or would be better of staying in the single market:

Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market

Daniel Hannan MEP

Only a madman would actually leave the Market

Owen Paterson MP, Vote Leave backer

The Norwegian option, the EEA option, I think that it might be initally attractive for some business people

Matthew Elliot, Vote Leave chief executive

Increasingly, the Norway option looks the best for the UK

Arron Banks, Leave.EU founder

And no, that is the problem. Leave voters were all voting for different things. No-one knows that they were actually wanting to get out of leaving the EU. Hence we are in this clusterfuck now. As since we don't know what 'the will of the people' (yuck!) actually wanted, no-one knows how to actually negotiate for it.

-Matt

I've met Daniel Hannon. Listened to him speak. And had a conversation with him about the single market. If you're going to quote him, you should quote him in the full context of what he says. He goes on to say, as the leave campaign was pretty consistent in saying, was that access to the single market is wanted, not full membership.

Daniel Hannon actually gets pretty pissed off with people quoting just a small bit of what he actually thinks and says.

"A vote to leave is a vote to leave the single market" David Cameron.12th June 2016

"A vote to leave is a vote to leave the single market" George Osborne 8th June 2016

"We should be outside the single market but [having] access to it" Michael Gove 8th May 2016

We will be leaving the single market. Andrea Leadsom 28th April 2016

We would be out of the single Market. Boris Johnson. 5th June 2016.

Repeat after me - Single market membership and single market access are not the same thing. Daniel Hannon

Staying in the customs union after brexit would be a disaster for Britain's trade. Daniel Hannon.

Can you name one country in the world that doesn't have access to the single market?

Your point being?

Its disingenuous to say that you want access to the single market, as if that's an important and difficult to agree relationship when every country in the world already has that.

So there's no problem with leaving the single market then, as we'll still have access to it.

Thanks for clearing that up."

Thanks for showing your ignorance of the difference between membership and access.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby


"I find it hypocritical of remainers to say that Brexiters 'didn't know what they were voting for', unless it suits remainers arguments to say otherwise. Did you vote to leave the single market and custom union? If so which leave campaigner told you that is exactly what was gona happen?

Apparently, according to remainers, it was only a vote to leave the EU, and nothing else. Apparently no one who voted for Brexit knew what they were voting for. It's been said on here many many times, it wasn't a vote to leave the systems union, the single markit, to control immigration, to have our own courts over us, nor our own sovereignty.

Only 'to leave the EU'.

Wow. Nice spin! Without risk of sounding like a broken record...

Please tell me how 'leave the European Union' explicitly means leaving the customs union and the single market?

And you can arm wrestle Theresa May about the sovereignty point if you want. She thinks we had our own sovereignty whilst in the EU anyway. Why does Hannan think those who voted to leave to reduce immigration will be disappointed?

-Matt

You are sounding like a broken record. The reasons for leaving have been debated on here numerous times. Remainers say Brexiters did not know what they were voting for. And now in posts on here remainers say Brexiters knew they were voting to stop immigration and to stop rights of free movement!

As for leave the single market? EVERY leading figure in the remain campaign said "a vote to leave is a vote to leave the single market" (google it if you're unsure)...what could be more explicit than that?....and that was from remainers! But apparently, according to some remainers on here, nobody ever said that!

I've google it before. I believe I put all the quotes on here before, but here are a few to keep you reminded of leave campaigners telling people that we could or would be better of staying in the single market:

Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market

Daniel Hannan MEP

Only a madman would actually leave the Market

Owen Paterson MP, Vote Leave backer

The Norwegian option, the EEA option, I think that it might be initally attractive for some business people

Matthew Elliot, Vote Leave chief executive

Increasingly, the Norway option looks the best for the UK

Arron Banks, Leave.EU founder

And no, that is the problem. Leave voters were all voting for different things. No-one knows that they were actually wanting to get out of leaving the EU. Hence we are in this clusterfuck now. As since we don't know what 'the will of the people' (yuck!) actually wanted, no-one knows how to actually negotiate for it.

-Matt

I've met Daniel Hannon. Listened to him speak. And had a conversation with him about the single market. If you're going to quote him, you should quote him in the full context of what he says. He goes on to say, as the leave campaign was pretty consistent in saying, was that access to the single market is wanted, not full membership.

Daniel Hannon actually gets pretty pissed off with people quoting just a small bit of what he actually thinks and says.

"A vote to leave is a vote to leave the single market" David Cameron.12th June 2016

"A vote to leave is a vote to leave the single market" George Osborne 8th June 2016

"We should be outside the single market but [having] access to it" Michael Gove 8th May 2016

We will be leaving the single market. Andrea Leadsom 28th April 2016

We would be out of the single Market. Boris Johnson. 5th June 2016.

Repeat after me - Single market membership and single market access are not the same thing. Daniel Hannon

Staying in the customs union after brexit would be a disaster for Britain's trade. Daniel Hannon.

Can you name one country in the world that doesn't have access to the single market?

Your point being?

Its disingenuous to say that you want access to the single market, as if that's an important and difficult to agree relationship when every country in the world already has that.

So there's no problem with leaving the single market then, as we'll still have access to it.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Thanks for showing your ignorance of the difference between membership and access. "

And how have you come to the conclusion that I don't know the difference from what I wrote?

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"I find it hypocritical of remainers to say that Brexiters 'didn't know what they were voting for', unless it suits remainers arguments to say otherwise. Did you vote to leave the single market and custom union? If so which leave campaigner told you that is exactly what was gona happen?

Apparently, according to remainers, it was only a vote to leave the EU, and nothing else. Apparently no one who voted for Brexit knew what they were voting for. It's been said on here many many times, it wasn't a vote to leave the systems union, the single markit, to control immigration, to have our own courts over us, nor our own sovereignty.

Only 'to leave the EU'.

Wow. Nice spin! Without risk of sounding like a broken record...

Please tell me how 'leave the European Union' explicitly means leaving the customs union and the single market?

And you can arm wrestle Theresa May about the sovereignty point if you want. She thinks we had our own sovereignty whilst in the EU anyway. Why does Hannan think those who voted to leave to reduce immigration will be disappointed?

-Matt

You are sounding like a broken record. The reasons for leaving have been debated on here numerous times. Remainers say Brexiters did not know what they were voting for. And now in posts on here remainers say Brexiters knew they were voting to stop immigration and to stop rights of free movement!

As for leave the single market? EVERY leading figure in the remain campaign said "a vote to leave is a vote to leave the single market" (google it if you're unsure)...what could be more explicit than that?....and that was from remainers! But apparently, according to some remainers on here, nobody ever said that!

I've google it before. I believe I put all the quotes on here before, but here are a few to keep you reminded of leave campaigners telling people that we could or would be better of staying in the single market:

Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market

Daniel Hannan MEP

Only a madman would actually leave the Market

Owen Paterson MP, Vote Leave backer

The Norwegian option, the EEA option, I think that it might be initally attractive for some business people

Matthew Elliot, Vote Leave chief executive

Increasingly, the Norway option looks the best for the UK

Arron Banks, Leave.EU founder

And no, that is the problem. Leave voters were all voting for different things. No-one knows that they were actually wanting to get out of leaving the EU. Hence we are in this clusterfuck now. As since we don't know what 'the will of the people' (yuck!) actually wanted, no-one knows how to actually negotiate for it.

-Matt

I've met Daniel Hannon. Listened to him speak. And had a conversation with him about the single market. If you're going to quote him, you should quote him in the full context of what he says. He goes on to say, as the leave campaign was pretty consistent in saying, was that access to the single market is wanted, not full membership.

Daniel Hannon actually gets pretty pissed off with people quoting just a small bit of what he actually thinks and says.

"A vote to leave is a vote to leave the single market" David Cameron.12th June 2016

"A vote to leave is a vote to leave the single market" George Osborne 8th June 2016

"We should be outside the single market but [having] access to it" Michael Gove 8th May 2016

We will be leaving the single market. Andrea Leadsom 28th April 2016

We would be out of the single Market. Boris Johnson. 5th June 2016.

Repeat after me - Single market membership and single market access are not the same thing. Daniel Hannon

Staying in the customs union after brexit would be a disaster for Britain's trade. Daniel Hannon.

Can you name one country in the world that doesn't have access to the single market?

Your point being?

Its disingenuous to say that you want access to the single market, as if that's an important and difficult to agree relationship when every country in the world already has that.

So there's no problem with leaving the single market then, as we'll still have access to it.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Thanks for showing your ignorance of the difference between membership and access.

And how have you come to the conclusion that I don't know the difference from what I wrote?"

The bit where you say there is no problem leaving it, when it will cause significant problems.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby


"I find it hypocritical of remainers to say that Brexiters 'didn't know what they were voting for', unless it suits remainers arguments to say otherwise. Did you vote to leave the single market and custom union? If so which leave campaigner told you that is exactly what was gona happen?

Apparently, according to remainers, it was only a vote to leave the EU, and nothing else. Apparently no one who voted for Brexit knew what they were voting for. It's been said on here many many times, it wasn't a vote to leave the systems union, the single markit, to control immigration, to have our own courts over us, nor our own sovereignty.

Only 'to leave the EU'.

Wow. Nice spin! Without risk of sounding like a broken record...

Please tell me how 'leave the European Union' explicitly means leaving the customs union and the single market?

And you can arm wrestle Theresa May about the sovereignty point if you want. She thinks we had our own sovereignty whilst in the EU anyway. Why does Hannan think those who voted to leave to reduce immigration will be disappointed?

-Matt

You are sounding like a broken record. The reasons for leaving have been debated on here numerous times. Remainers say Brexiters did not know what they were voting for. And now in posts on here remainers say Brexiters knew they were voting to stop immigration and to stop rights of free movement!

As for leave the single market? EVERY leading figure in the remain campaign said "a vote to leave is a vote to leave the single market" (google it if you're unsure)...what could be more explicit than that?....and that was from remainers! But apparently, according to some remainers on here, nobody ever said that!

I've google it before. I believe I put all the quotes on here before, but here are a few to keep you reminded of leave campaigners telling people that we could or would be better of staying in the single market:

Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market

Daniel Hannan MEP

Only a madman would actually leave the Market

Owen Paterson MP, Vote Leave backer

The Norwegian option, the EEA option, I think that it might be initally attractive for some business people

Matthew Elliot, Vote Leave chief executive

Increasingly, the Norway option looks the best for the UK

Arron Banks, Leave.EU founder

And no, that is the problem. Leave voters were all voting for different things. No-one knows that they were actually wanting to get out of leaving the EU. Hence we are in this clusterfuck now. As since we don't know what 'the will of the people' (yuck!) actually wanted, no-one knows how to actually negotiate for it.

-Matt

I've met Daniel Hannon. Listened to him speak. And had a conversation with him about the single market. If you're going to quote him, you should quote him in the full context of what he says. He goes on to say, as the leave campaign was pretty consistent in saying, was that access to the single market is wanted, not full membership.

Daniel Hannon actually gets pretty pissed off with people quoting just a small bit of what he actually thinks and says.

"A vote to leave is a vote to leave the single market" David Cameron.12th June 2016

"A vote to leave is a vote to leave the single market" George Osborne 8th June 2016

"We should be outside the single market but [having] access to it" Michael Gove 8th May 2016

We will be leaving the single market. Andrea Leadsom 28th April 2016

We would be out of the single Market. Boris Johnson. 5th June 2016.

Repeat after me - Single market membership and single market access are not the same thing. Daniel Hannon

Staying in the customs union after brexit would be a disaster for Britain's trade. Daniel Hannon.

Can you name one country in the world that doesn't have access to the single market?

Your point being?

Its disingenuous to say that you want access to the single market, as if that's an important and difficult to agree relationship when every country in the world already has that.

So there's no problem with leaving the single market then, as we'll still have access to it.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Thanks for showing your ignorance of the difference between membership and access.

And how have you come to the conclusion that I don't know the difference from what I wrote?

The bit where you say there is no problem leaving it, when it will cause significant problems."

So there's significant problems with not being a member of the single market? I take it that works both ways then.

It's a wonder the EU allows anyone to do business with those that are not members of their club. Oh, wait a minute, they do.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"I find it hypocritical of remainers to say that Brexiters 'didn't know what they were voting for', unless it suits remainers arguments to say otherwise. Did you vote to leave the single market and custom union? If so which leave campaigner told you that is exactly what was gona happen?

Apparently, according to remainers, it was only a vote to leave the EU, and nothing else. Apparently no one who voted for Brexit knew what they were voting for. It's been said on here many many times, it wasn't a vote to leave the systems union, the single markit, to control immigration, to have our own courts over us, nor our own sovereignty.

Only 'to leave the EU'.

Wow. Nice spin! Without risk of sounding like a broken record...

Please tell me how 'leave the European Union' explicitly means leaving the customs union and the single market?

And you can arm wrestle Theresa May about the sovereignty point if you want. She thinks we had our own sovereignty whilst in the EU anyway. Why does Hannan think those who voted to leave to reduce immigration will be disappointed?

-Matt

You are sounding like a broken record. The reasons for leaving have been debated on here numerous times. Remainers say Brexiters did not know what they were voting for. And now in posts on here remainers say Brexiters knew they were voting to stop immigration and to stop rights of free movement!

As for leave the single market? EVERY leading figure in the remain campaign said "a vote to leave is a vote to leave the single market" (google it if you're unsure)...what could be more explicit than that?....and that was from remainers! But apparently, according to some remainers on here, nobody ever said that!

I've google it before. I believe I put all the quotes on here before, but here are a few to keep you reminded of leave campaigners telling people that we could or would be better of staying in the single market:

Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market

Daniel Hannan MEP

Only a madman would actually leave the Market

Owen Paterson MP, Vote Leave backer

The Norwegian option, the EEA option, I think that it might be initally attractive for some business people

Matthew Elliot, Vote Leave chief executive

Increasingly, the Norway option looks the best for the UK

Arron Banks, Leave.EU founder

And no, that is the problem. Leave voters were all voting for different things. No-one knows that they were actually wanting to get out of leaving the EU. Hence we are in this clusterfuck now. As since we don't know what 'the will of the people' (yuck!) actually wanted, no-one knows how to actually negotiate for it.

-Matt

I've met Daniel Hannon. Listened to him speak. And had a conversation with him about the single market. If you're going to quote him, you should quote him in the full context of what he says. He goes on to say, as the leave campaign was pretty consistent in saying, was that access to the single market is wanted, not full membership.

Daniel Hannon actually gets pretty pissed off with people quoting just a small bit of what he actually thinks and says.

"A vote to leave is a vote to leave the single market" David Cameron.12th June 2016

"A vote to leave is a vote to leave the single market" George Osborne 8th June 2016

"We should be outside the single market but [having] access to it" Michael Gove 8th May 2016

We will be leaving the single market. Andrea Leadsom 28th April 2016

We would be out of the single Market. Boris Johnson. 5th June 2016.

Repeat after me - Single market membership and single market access are not the same thing. Daniel Hannon

Staying in the customs union after brexit would be a disaster for Britain's trade. Daniel Hannon.

Can you name one country in the world that doesn't have access to the single market?

Your point being?

Its disingenuous to say that you want access to the single market, as if that's an important and difficult to agree relationship when every country in the world already has that.

So there's no problem with leaving the single market then, as we'll still have access to it.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Thanks for showing your ignorance of the difference between membership and access.

And how have you come to the conclusion that I don't know the difference from what I wrote?

The bit where you say there is no problem leaving it, when it will cause significant problems.

So there's significant problems with not being a member of the single market? I take it that works both ways then.

It's a wonder the EU allows anyone to do business with those that are not members of their club. Oh, wait a minute, they do."

There are significant problems with being a member, and then suddenly not being a member.

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over a year ago

Hypocrisy : tories complaining about phil green's capitalism?

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

Hypocrisy:

Labour manifesto pledge to scrap tuition fees from September 2017.

Labour in government in Wales increase tuition fees from September 2017.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Is it me...or is Glastonbury not a short term, week or so event.

It doesn't last all year, so how can anyone on the "clear up team" be given a long-term contract?

The job lasts for two weeks. It's a temporary thing. You come in, do the job, get paid, leave.

Totally irrelevant if you are foreign or native worker. Nothing to do with Corbyn, labour or any party...or zero hour contracts which is another thing!

Is there a story here at all?"

this..

but every straw will have someone clutching at it if they perceive capital can be made of it..

hey ho..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"i didn't realise that jeremy corbyn was in charge of hiring and firing the glastonbury clear-up team

But I thought Jeremy was the new messier, the saviour and light of the world. Is he not surly omnipotent to? Surely such a wise, sage man must know everything?

i wouldn't know. i'm not a labour supporter .... i just question the OP's implication that corbyn somehow dishes out the infrastructure contracts for glastonbury festival ... i seem to remember that emily eavis oversees that kind of thing

I made no implication of the sort.

It just seems hypocritical, that Jeremy Corbyn is invited to speak by an organisation, that then performs such a shoddy act on mainly young people.

How long would you expect to be employed to clean up after a festival?

Two weeks as agreed. Not two days. Many of these people had travelled from Europe at their own expense."

surely the real 'story' is how these people were hypnotised or collectively coerced to voluntarily agree to sign up, arrange travel and maybe accommodation ..

wonder if there was a clause whereby they were allowed to enjoy parts of the festival or did they have to work all the time apart from sleeping..

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