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"Jeremy Corbyn has sacked three of his front bench, for being at odds with official Brexit policy. They suggested stopping in the single market; JC thought otherwise and sent them to the naughty step on the back benches." Reducing the pool even further of MPs that want to work with him. | |||
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"Jeremy Corbyn has sacked three of his front bench, for being at odds with official Brexit policy. They suggested stopping in the single market; JC thought otherwise and sent them to the naughty step on the back benches." A lot of Remainers who voted Labour for a soft Brexit are getting a wake up call tonight. Jezza wants out of the single market.  | |||
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"Jeremy Corbyn has sacked three of his front bench, for being at odds with official Brexit policy. They suggested stopping in the single market; JC thought otherwise and sent them to the naughty step on the back benches. Reducing the pool even further of MPs that want to work with him. " How many did he go through last year? | |||
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"Jeremy Corbyn has sacked three of his front bench, for being at odds with official Brexit policy. They suggested stopping in the single market; JC thought otherwise and sent them to the naughty step on the back benches. A lot of Remainers who voted Labour for a soft Brexit are getting a wake up call tonight. Jezza wants out of the single market. "Anyone who read the Labour Manifesto (it was on page 29) would know that Labour policy is OUT of the single market, OUT of the customs union and control of migration. The cunning plan that McDonald/momentum came up with for the election was in denying this in seats where there was a higher remain support, yet pushing it in leave supporting seats. This message was pushed through multiple social media channels and particularly at the younger voters who probably can't spell manifesto let alone bother to read one. | |||
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"Jeremy Corbyn has sacked three of his front bench, for being at odds with official Brexit policy. They suggested stopping in the single market; JC thought otherwise and sent them to the naughty step on the back benches." Oooh...scary stuff from Jeremy. I still can't forget that photo of him looking like a little lost child when he 'couldn't find' a seat on that train. I now know who to call if I need the skin pulling off my rice pudding  | |||
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"Jeremy Corbyn has sacked three of his front bench, for being at odds with official Brexit policy. They suggested stopping in the single market; JC thought otherwise and sent them to the naughty step on the back benches. A lot of Remainers who voted Labour for a soft Brexit are getting a wake up call tonight. Jezza wants out of the single market.
Anyone who read the Labour Manifesto (it was on page 29) would know that Labour policy is OUT of the single market, OUT of the customs union and control of migration.
The cunning plan that McDonald/momentum came up with for the election was in denying this in seats where there was a higher remain support, yet pushing it in leave supporting seats. This message was pushed through multiple social media channels and particularly at the younger voters who probably can't spell manifesto let alone bother to read one."Deluded Labour MP Stella Creasy was on BBC One Question Time tonight denying it was in the Labour manifesto. The game is up now though, Stella clearly didn't get the memo, the Labour front bench want out of the single market AND the customs union, anyone who disagrees with Jeeza and the Labour whip will be sent packing to the back benches. Brilliant. | |||
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"Stella "didn't get the memo"? Clearly she hadn't even read her own manifesto!" Chukka Ummuna couldn't have read it either as it was him who called for the ammendment to remain in the single market and the customs union which was rejected by Corbyn and McDonnel, and the Labour whip was instructed to vote against Chukka's ammendment. 50 labour rebels voted against the Labour whip (3 of them on the front bench who have been sacked) it looks like the old divisions in the Labour party that were there before the general election are starting to re-appear. It's been a pretty short honeymoon for Corbyn, the new found love Chukka had for Corbyn after the general election has evaporated quicker than an ice lolly during last week's heatwave. | |||
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"Jeremy Corbyn has sacked three of his front bench, for being at odds with official Brexit policy. They suggested stopping in the single market; JC thought otherwise and sent them to the naughty step on the back benches." Well technically, the party line was to abstain from voting on Chuka Umuna's motion (can't stand that guy) The members of the shadow cabinet that were sacked because they went against the party whip. One of them resigned before the vote. Labour still in a mess then | |||
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" Deluded Labour MP Stella Creasy was on BBC One Question Time tonight denying it was in the Labour manifesto. The game is up now though, Stella clearly didn't get the memo, the Labour front bench want out of the single market AND the customs union, anyone who disagrees with Jeeza and the Labour whip will be sent packing to the back benches. Brilliant. "I'm sorry... is that the same deluded Stella creasy who has managed to get the government to cave on the tampon tax... and the Same one who got the government to cave on the issue of free abortions for Northern Irish women yesterday .... Yep... super deluded 
I think it could be argued she actually gets a lot more done as a back bencher than most
But heck.... life begins and ends with brexit for some and no other issues on anything matter.. right
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"The 3 people who were sacked were all MPs who where in super heavy remain backed areas... so their argument was they were following the wishes of their constituents..... Wasn't one of the big go to comments of brexit people that MPs should follow the will of the people?" Yes but we all know when BREXITers say 'the will of the people' they just mean the will of about 1/3 of the people who agree with them. | |||
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"The 3 people who were sacked were all MPs who where in super heavy remain backed areas... so their argument was they were following the wishes of their constituents..... Wasn't one of the big go to comments of brexit people that MPs should follow the will of the people? Yes but we all know when BREXITers say 'the will of the people' they just mean the will of about 1/3 of the people who agree with them. " This unfortunately is true. | |||
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"Stella "didn't get the memo"? Clearly she hadn't even read her own manifesto! Chukka Ummuna couldn't have read it either as it was him who called for the ammendment to remain in the single market and the customs union which was rejected by Corbyn and McDonnel, and the Labour whip was instructed to vote against Chukka's ammendment. 50 labour rebels voted against the Labour whip (3 of them on the front bench who have been sacked) it looks like the old divisions in the Labour party that were there before the general election are starting to re-appear. It's been a pretty short honeymoon for Corbyn, the new found love Chukka had for Corbyn after the general election has evaporated quicker than an ice lolly during last week's heatwave. "Well I've just reread it again because I thought I must have missed something but I hadn't. No where that I can find in the section on BREXIT does it say Labour's position is to leave the Single Market or the Customs Union. If I missed where it says so maybe you can point me to where. In the paragraph where it talks about the Single Market and Customs Union it says "negotiating priorities that have a strong emphasis on retaining the benefits of the Single Market and the Customs Union – which are essential for maintaining industries, jobs and businesses in Britain. Labour will always put jobs and the economy first." | |||
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" Deluded Labour MP Stella Creasy was on BBC One Question Time tonight denying it was in the Labour manifesto. The game is up now though, Stella clearly didn't get the memo, the Labour front bench want out of the single market AND the customs union, anyone who disagrees with Jeeza and the Labour whip will be sent packing to the back benches. Brilliant.
I'm sorry... is that the same deluded Stella creasy who has managed to get the government to cave on the tampon tax... and the Same one who got the government to cave on the issue of free abortions for Northern Irish women yesterday ....
Yep... super deluded
I think it could be argued she actually gets a lot more done as a back bencher than most
But heck.... life begins and ends with brexit for some and no other issues on anything matter.. right
Misogyny at it's best, centaur "Not sure where you are getting the misogyny from as I pointed out Chukka is equally deluded. The labour party have equal opportunities for men and women when it comes to delusion amongst their MP's. | |||
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"Stella "didn't get the memo"? Clearly she hadn't even read her own manifesto! Chukka Ummuna couldn't have read it either as it was him who called for the ammendment to remain in the single market and the customs union which was rejected by Corbyn and McDonnel, and the Labour whip was instructed to vote against Chukka's ammendment. 50 labour rebels voted against the Labour whip (3 of them on the front bench who have been sacked) it looks like the old divisions in the Labour party that were there before the general election are starting to re-appear. It's been a pretty short honeymoon for Corbyn, the new found love Chukka had for Corbyn after the general election has evaporated quicker than an ice lolly during last week's heatwave.
Well I've just reread it again because I thought I must have missed something but I hadn't. No where that I can find in the section on BREXIT does it say Labour's position is to leave the Single Market or the Customs Union. If I missed where it says so maybe you can point me to where. In the paragraph where it talks about the Single Market and Customs Union it says
"negotiating priorities that have a strong emphasis on retaining the benefits of the Single Market and the Customs Union – which are essential for maintaining industries, jobs and businesses in Britain. Labour will always put jobs and the economy first.""If there was any confusion about it before there certainly isn't now. After yesterday's vote it's clear the Labour leadership and the Labour front bench want out of the single market and the customs union. The Labour whip will be instructed to enforce this view on future votes from now on. | |||
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" Deluded Labour MP Stella Creasy was on BBC One Question Time tonight denying it was in the Labour manifesto. The game is up now though, Stella clearly didn't get the memo, the Labour front bench want out of the single market AND the customs union, anyone who disagrees with Jeeza and the Labour whip will be sent packing to the back benches. Brilliant.
I'm sorry... is that the same deluded Stella creasy who has managed to get the government to cave on the tampon tax... and the Same one who got the government to cave on the issue of free abortions for Northern Irish women yesterday ....
Yep... super deluded
I think it could be argued she actually gets a lot more done as a back bencher than most
But heck.... life begins and ends with brexit for some and no other issues on anything matter.. right
Misogyny at it's best, centaur
Not sure where you are getting the misogyny from as I pointed out Chukka is equally deluded. The labour party have equal opportunities for men and women when it comes to delusion amongst their MP's. "Women labour MPs and black labour MPs has never been his cup of tea.Combine female and black and he explodes. . Boom! The far right never explained to me why Diane abbott was a disgrace to her race and sex. .Funny that.. | |||
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"Stella "didn't get the memo"? Clearly she hadn't even read her own manifesto! Chukka Ummuna couldn't have read it either as it was him who called for the ammendment to remain in the single market and the customs union which was rejected by Corbyn and McDonnel, and the Labour whip was instructed to vote against Chukka's ammendment. 50 labour rebels voted against the Labour whip (3 of them on the front bench who have been sacked) it looks like the old divisions in the Labour party that were there before the general election are starting to re-appear. It's been a pretty short honeymoon for Corbyn, the new found love Chukka had for Corbyn after the general election has evaporated quicker than an ice lolly during last week's heatwave.
Well I've just reread it again because I thought I must have missed something but I hadn't. No where that I can find in the section on BREXIT does it say Labour's position is to leave the Single Market or the Customs Union. If I missed where it says so maybe you can point me to where. In the paragraph where it talks about the Single Market and Customs Union it says
"negotiating priorities that have a strong emphasis on retaining the benefits of the Single Market and the Customs Union – which are essential for maintaining industries, jobs and businesses in Britain. Labour will always put jobs and the economy first."
If there was any confusion about it before there certainly isn't now. After yesterday's vote it's clear the Labour leadership and the Labour front bench want out of the single market and the customs union. The Labour whip will be instructed to enforce this view on future votes from now on. "I have no doubt that Corbyn and McDonald are BREXITers, always were and always will be. I've pointed it out myself to some of their fans on here and elsewhere more than ones. However it was said on this thread that the Labour manifesto said it supported leaving the Single Market and Customs Union. I've read the Labour manifesto and I can't find where it says that so I'm asking those that say it does to simply show me where. Can you do that please? | |||
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"Stella "didn't get the memo"? Clearly she hadn't even read her own manifesto! Chukka Ummuna couldn't have read it either as it was him who called for the ammendment to remain in the single market and the customs union which was rejected by Corbyn and McDonnel, and the Labour whip was instructed to vote against Chukka's ammendment. 50 labour rebels voted against the Labour whip (3 of them on the front bench who have been sacked) it looks like the old divisions in the Labour party that were there before the general election are starting to re-appear. It's been a pretty short honeymoon for Corbyn, the new found love Chukka had for Corbyn after the general election has evaporated quicker than an ice lolly during last week's heatwave.
Well I've just reread it again because I thought I must have missed something but I hadn't. No where that I can find in the section on BREXIT does it say Labour's position is to leave the Single Market or the Customs Union. If I missed where it says so maybe you can point me to where. In the paragraph where it talks about the Single Market and Customs Union it says
"negotiating priorities that have a strong emphasis on retaining the benefits of the Single Market and the Customs Union – which are essential for maintaining industries, jobs and businesses in Britain. Labour will always put jobs and the economy first."
If there was any confusion about it before there certainly isn't now. After yesterday's vote it's clear the Labour leadership and the Labour front bench want out of the single market and the customs union. The Labour whip will be instructed to enforce this view on future votes from now on. "I dont know were your getting this info from about Labour wanting out of the single market and customs union....all they have ever said is they want to remain in them so it allows the UK to trade with the EU....is this another case of you making up stories again just like the 350m genius....your nose will be longer than Pinocchio's soon | |||
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"Stella "didn't get the memo"? Clearly she hadn't even read her own manifesto! Chukka Ummuna couldn't have read it either as it was him who called for the ammendment to remain in the single market and the customs union which was rejected by Corbyn and McDonnel, and the Labour whip was instructed to vote against Chukka's ammendment. 50 labour rebels voted against the Labour whip (3 of them on the front bench who have been sacked) it looks like the old divisions in the Labour party that were there before the general election are starting to re-appear. It's been a pretty short honeymoon for Corbyn, the new found love Chukka had for Corbyn after the general election has evaporated quicker than an ice lolly during last week's heatwave.
Well I've just reread it again because I thought I must have missed something but I hadn't. No where that I can find in the section on BREXIT does it say Labour's position is to leave the Single Market or the Customs Union. If I missed where it says so maybe you can point me to where. In the paragraph where it talks about the Single Market and Customs Union it says
"negotiating priorities that have a strong emphasis on retaining the benefits of the Single Market and the Customs Union – which are essential for maintaining industries, jobs and businesses in Britain. Labour will always put jobs and the economy first."
If there was any confusion about it before there certainly isn't now. After yesterday's vote it's clear the Labour leadership and the Labour front bench want out of the single market and the customs union. The Labour whip will be instructed to enforce this view on future votes from now on.
I dont know were your getting this info from about Labour wanting out of the single market and customs union....all they have ever said is they want to remain in them so it allows the UK to trade with the EU....is this another case of you making up stories again just like the 350m genius....your nose will be longer than Pinocchio's soon "Well not quite. What their manifesto says is that they want to keep the benefits of the Single Market and Customs Union. Personally I'd say the best way to achieve that would be to remain in them both. However Corbyn and McDonald are saying we should leave both. But the argument is not about what they are saying now but about what their manifesto said. Some on here are saying it said we should leave; I'm simply asking them to show us all where it says that? | |||
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"The 3 people who were sacked were all MPs who where in super heavy remain backed areas... so their argument was they were following the wishes of their constituents..... Wasn't one of the big go to comments of brexit people that MPs should follow the will of the people?" Cambridge was a big remain city and its MP, Daniel Zeichner resigned from the shadow cabinet so he could vote his conscience. | |||
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"The 3 people who were sacked were all MPs who where in super heavy remain backed areas... so their argument was they were following the wishes of their constituents..... Wasn't one of the big go to comments of brexit people that MPs should follow the will of the people? Cambridge was a big remain city and its MP, Daniel Zeichner resigned from the shadow cabinet so he could vote his conscience. " I really think that those Labour voters who tend towards remain rather than BREXIT (60%+) need to make sure their voices are heard more clearly by Jeremy and John. | |||
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"Jeremy Corbyn has sacked three of his front bench, for being at odds with official Brexit policy. They suggested stopping in the single market; JC thought otherwise and sent them to the naughty step on the back benches. A lot of Remainers who voted Labour for a soft Brexit are getting a wake up call tonight. Jezza wants out of the single market.
Anyone who read the Labour Manifesto (it was on page 29) would know that Labour policy is OUT of the single market, OUT of the customs union and control of migration.
The cunning plan that McDonald/momentum came up with for the election was in denying this in seats where there was a higher remain support, yet pushing it in leave supporting seats. This message was pushed through multiple social media channels and particularly at the younger voters who probably can't spell manifesto let alone bother to read one."It doesn’t say anything of the sort on page 29! On page 24 it says: "We will scrap the Conservatives’ Brexit White Paper and replace it with fresh negotiating priorities that have a strong emphasis on retaining the benefits of the Single Market and the Customs Union – which are essential for maintaining industries, jobs and businesses in Britain. Labour will always put jobs and the economy first" | |||
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"Jeremy Corbyn has sacked three of his front bench, for being at odds with official Brexit policy. They suggested stopping in the single market; JC thought otherwise and sent them to the naughty step on the back benches. A lot of Remainers who voted Labour for a soft Brexit are getting a wake up call tonight. Jezza wants out of the single market.
Anyone who read the Labour Manifesto (it was on page 29) would know that Labour policy is OUT of the single market, OUT of the customs union and control of migration.
The cunning plan that McDonald/momentum came up with for the election was in denying this in seats where there was a higher remain support, yet pushing it in leave supporting seats. This message was pushed through multiple social media channels and particularly at the younger voters who probably can't spell manifesto let alone bother to read one.
It doesn’t say anything of the sort on page 29!
On page 24 it says:
"We will scrap the Conservatives’ Brexit White Paper and replace it with fresh negotiating priorities that have a strong emphasis on retaining the benefits of the Single Market and the Customs Union – which are essential for maintaining industries, jobs and businesses in Britain. Labour will always put jobs and the economy first""I've already pointed out exactly the same paragraph. Still waiting for someone to show me where it says we should leave both or either. But answer has there come none. | |||
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"Stella "didn't get the memo"? Clearly she hadn't even read her own manifesto! Chukka Ummuna couldn't have read it either as it was him who called for the ammendment to remain in the single market and the customs union which was rejected by Corbyn and McDonnel, and the Labour whip was instructed to vote against Chukka's ammendment. 50 labour rebels voted against the Labour whip (3 of them on the front bench who have been sacked) it looks like the old divisions in the Labour party that were there before the general election are starting to re-appear. It's been a pretty short honeymoon for Corbyn, the new found love Chukka had for Corbyn after the general election has evaporated quicker than an ice lolly during last week's heatwave.
Well I've just reread it again because I thought I must have missed something but I hadn't. No where that I can find in the section on BREXIT does it say Labour's position is to leave the Single Market or the Customs Union. If I missed where it says so maybe you can point me to where. In the paragraph where it talks about the Single Market and Customs Union it says
"negotiating priorities that have a strong emphasis on retaining the benefits of the Single Market and the Customs Union – which are essential for maintaining industries, jobs and businesses in Britain. Labour will always put jobs and the economy first."
If there was any confusion about it before there certainly isn't now. After yesterday's vote it's clear the Labour leadership and the Labour front bench want out of the single market and the customs union. The Labour whip will be instructed to enforce this view on future votes from now on.
I dont know were your getting this info from about Labour wanting out of the single market and customs union....all they have ever said is they want to remain in them so it allows the UK to trade with the EU....is this another case of you making up stories again just like the 350m genius....your nose will be longer than Pinocchio's soon
Well not quite. What their manifesto says is that they want to keep the benefits of the Single Market and Customs Union. Personally I'd say the best way to achieve that would be to remain in them both. However Corbyn and McDonald are saying we should leave both. But the argument is not about what they are saying now but about what their manifesto said. Some on here are saying it said we should leave; I'm simply asking them to show us all where it says that?
"Tbh saying they want to keep the benefits of the single markets etc etc is basically saying they want to stay in it ....or am i reading this wrong ? | |||
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"Stella "didn't get the memo"? Clearly she hadn't even read her own manifesto! Chukka Ummuna couldn't have read it either as it was him who called for the ammendment to remain in the single market and the customs union which was rejected by Corbyn and McDonnel, and the Labour whip was instructed to vote against Chukka's ammendment. 50 labour rebels voted against the Labour whip (3 of them on the front bench who have been sacked) it looks like the old divisions in the Labour party that were there before the general election are starting to re-appear. It's been a pretty short honeymoon for Corbyn, the new found love Chukka had for Corbyn after the general election has evaporated quicker than an ice lolly during last week's heatwave.
Well I've just reread it again because I thought I must have missed something but I hadn't. No where that I can find in the section on BREXIT does it say Labour's position is to leave the Single Market or the Customs Union. If I missed where it says so maybe you can point me to where. In the paragraph where it talks about the Single Market and Customs Union it says
"negotiating priorities that have a strong emphasis on retaining the benefits of the Single Market and the Customs Union – which are essential for maintaining industries, jobs and businesses in Britain. Labour will always put jobs and the economy first."
If there was any confusion about it before there certainly isn't now. After yesterday's vote it's clear the Labour leadership and the Labour front bench want out of the single market and the customs union. The Labour whip will be instructed to enforce this view on future votes from now on.
I dont know were your getting this info from about Labour wanting out of the single market and customs union....all they have ever said is they want to remain in them so it allows the UK to trade with the EU....is this another case of you making up stories again just like the 350m genius....your nose will be longer than Pinocchio's soon
Well not quite. What their manifesto says is that they want to keep the benefits of the Single Market and Customs Union. Personally I'd say the best way to achieve that would be to remain in them both. However Corbyn and McDonald are saying we should leave both. But the argument is not about what they are saying now but about what their manifesto said. Some on here are saying it said we should leave; I'm simply asking them to show us all where it says that?
Tbh saying they want to keep the benefits of the single markets etc etc is basically saying they want to stay in it ....or am i reading this wrong ?"Well the Tories had in their 2015 manifesto that they wanted to 'protect the UKs interest in the single market' or similar wording. And look what they then went and did. -Matt | |||
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"Jeremy Corbyn has sacked three of his front bench, for being at odds with official Brexit policy. They suggested stopping in the single market; JC thought otherwise and sent them to the naughty step on the back benches. A lot of Remainers who voted Labour for a soft Brexit are getting a wake up call tonight. Jezza wants out of the single market.
Anyone who read the Labour Manifesto (it was on page 29) would know that Labour policy is OUT of the single market, OUT of the customs union and control of migration.
The cunning plan that McDonald/momentum came up with for the election was in denying this in seats where there was a higher remain support, yet pushing it in leave supporting seats. This message was pushed through multiple social media channels and particularly at the younger voters who probably can't spell manifesto let alone bother to read one.
It doesn’t say anything of the sort on page 29!
On page 24 it says:
"We will scrap the Conservatives’ Brexit White Paper and replace it with fresh negotiating priorities that have a strong emphasis on retaining the benefits of the Single Market and the Customs Union – which are essential for maintaining industries, jobs and businesses in Britain. Labour will always put jobs and the economy first"
I've already pointed out exactly the same paragraph. Still waiting for someone to show me where it says we should leave both or either. But answer has there come none."It's already been pointed out in the thread where it talks about leaving the EU in the Labour manifesto it says we want to control immigration (from the EU). You can only do this and stop the free movement of people by leaving the single market. As I said earlier if there was any confusion about this before it has been cleared up now with the vote yesterday. The Labour leadership and the Labour front bench want out of the single market and the Labour whip will enforce this view on future votes. | |||
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"Jeremy Corbyn has sacked three of his front bench, for being at odds with official Brexit policy. They suggested stopping in the single market; JC thought otherwise and sent them to the naughty step on the back benches. A lot of Remainers who voted Labour for a soft Brexit are getting a wake up call tonight. Jezza wants out of the single market.
Anyone who read the Labour Manifesto (it was on page 29) would know that Labour policy is OUT of the single market, OUT of the customs union and control of migration.
The cunning plan that McDonald/momentum came up with for the election was in denying this in seats where there was a higher remain support, yet pushing it in leave supporting seats. This message was pushed through multiple social media channels and particularly at the younger voters who probably can't spell manifesto let alone bother to read one.
It doesn’t say anything of the sort on page 29!
On page 24 it says:
"We will scrap the Conservatives’ Brexit White Paper and replace it with fresh negotiating priorities that have a strong emphasis on retaining the benefits of the Single Market and the Customs Union – which are essential for maintaining industries, jobs and businesses in Britain. Labour will always put jobs and the economy first"
I've already pointed out exactly the same paragraph. Still waiting for someone to show me where it says we should leave both or either. But answer has there come none.
It's already been pointed out in the thread where it talks about leaving the EU in the Labour manifesto it says we want to control immigration (from the EU). You can only do this and stop the free movement of people by leaving the single market. As I said earlier if there was any confusion about this before it has been cleared up now with the vote yesterday. The Labour leadership and the Labour front bench want out of the single market and the Labour whip will enforce this view on future votes. "They want out of the EU ...not the single market genius...that would be economical suicide both parties know that...what do you get  | |||
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" They want out of the EU ...not the single market genius...that would be economical suicide both parties know that...what do you get "Try reading the guardian piece about it, then say corbyn wants to stay in the snigle market. Corbyn ordered his MPs to abstain on the wording because, although Labour policy chimes with most of the sentiment, the party does not support the bid to keep full membership of the single market. Is that clear enough ? | |||
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" They want out of the EU ...not the single market genius...that would be economical suicide both parties know that...what do you get
Try reading the guardian piece about it, then say corbyn wants to stay in the snigle market.
Corbyn ordered his MPs to abstain on the wording because, although Labour policy chimes with most of the sentiment, the party does not support the bid to keep full membership of the single market.
Is that clear enough ?"read the manifesto that will clear it up for YOU | |||
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" They want out of the EU ...not the single market genius...that would be economical suicide both parties know that...what do you get
Try reading the guardian piece about it, then say corbyn wants to stay in the snigle market.
Corbyn ordered his MPs to abstain on the wording because, although Labour policy chimes with most of the sentiment, the party does not support the bid to keep full membership of the single market.
Is that clear enough ?
read the manifesto that will clear it up for YOU"The world has moved on since then this is now and the vote was real not a lot of hot air as all manifestos are | |||
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" They want out of the EU ...not the single market genius...that would be economical suicide both parties know that...what do you get
Try reading the guardian piece about it, then say corbyn wants to stay in the snigle market.
Corbyn ordered his MPs to abstain on the wording because, although Labour policy chimes with most of the sentiment, the party does not support the bid to keep full membership of the single market.
Is that clear enough ?
read the manifesto that will clear it up for YOU
The world has moved on since then this is now and the vote was real not a lot of hot air as all manifestos are"The parties position hasnt changed from the manifesto...that was the amendment they put forward yesterday...the very same as in the manifesto...he sacked these people for going against what they were voted in for | |||
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" They want out of the EU ...not the single market genius...that would be economical suicide both parties know that...what do you get
Try reading the guardian piece about it, then say corbyn wants to stay in the snigle market.
Corbyn ordered his MPs to abstain on the wording because, although Labour policy chimes with most of the sentiment, the party does not support the bid to keep full membership of the single market.
Is that clear enough ?
read the manifesto that will clear it up for YOU
The world has moved on since then this is now and the vote was real not a lot of hot air as all manifestos are
The parties position hasnt changed from the manifesto...that was the amendment they put forward yesterday...the very same as in the manifesto...he sacked these people for going against what they were voted in for "As far as I'm aware it was an amendment put forward by Chuka umanna not an official labour one | |||
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"Jeremy Corbyn has sacked three of his front bench, for being at odds with official Brexit policy. They suggested stopping in the single market; JC thought otherwise and sent them to the naughty step on the back benches. A lot of Remainers who voted Labour for a soft Brexit are getting a wake up call tonight. Jezza wants out of the single market.
Anyone who read the Labour Manifesto (it was on page 29) would know that Labour policy is OUT of the single market, OUT of the customs union and control of migration.
The cunning plan that McDonald/momentum came up with for the election was in denying this in seats where there was a higher remain support, yet pushing it in leave supporting seats. This message was pushed through multiple social media channels and particularly at the younger voters who probably can't spell manifesto let alone bother to read one.
It doesn’t say anything of the sort on page 29!
On page 24 it says:
"We will scrap the Conservatives’ Brexit White Paper and replace it with fresh negotiating priorities that have a strong emphasis on retaining the benefits of the Single Market and the Customs Union – which are essential for maintaining industries, jobs and businesses in Britain. Labour will always put jobs and the economy first"
I've already pointed out exactly the same paragraph. Still waiting for someone to show me where it says we should leave both or either. But answer has there come none.
It's already been pointed out in the thread where it talks about leaving the EU in the Labour manifesto it says we want to control immigration (from the EU). You can only do this and stop the free movement of people by leaving the single market. As I said earlier if there was any confusion about this before it has been cleared up now with the vote yesterday. The Labour leadership and the Labour front bench want out of the single market and the Labour whip will enforce this view on future votes. "Yet another BREXIT lie that needs to be exposed. It's simply not true to say we can't control immigration more effectively and still remain in the Single Market. Firstly about 1/2 of our immigration is from none Single Market countries. Secondly we could be a lot stricture on Single Market immigration than we are now. We don't have to allow people to enter or stay here if they don't have work; we don't have to allow people to enter or stay here if they don't have the means to support themselves and their dependants; we don't have to allow people to enter or stay here who do not have adequate health insurance to cover any pre-existing conditions or likely health needs for the duration of their stay. Canturia knows all this to be true because he's been told it before. The question he, and other BREXITers never answer is 'why do they believe that any government will do more to control immigration once we leave the EU when none have even done what they could to control it now?' I expect the same answer from the BREXITers on this question as usual, which is none. | |||
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" Yet another BREXIT lie that needs to be exposed. It's simply not true to say we can't control immigration more effectively and still remain in the Single Market. Firstly about 1/2 of our immigration is from none Single Market countries. Secondly we could be a lot stricture on Single Market immigration than we are now. We don't have to allow people to enter or stay here if they don't have work; we don't have to allow people to enter or stay here if they don't have the means to support themselves and their dependants; we don't have to allow people to enter or stay here who do not have adequate health insurance to cover any pre-existing conditions or likely health needs for the duration of their stay. Canturia knows all this to be true because he's been told it before. The question he, and other BREXITers never answer is 'why do they believe that any government will do more to control immigration once we leave the EU when none have even done what they could to control it now?' I expect the same answer from the BREXITers on this question as usual, which is none." Any eu citizen can travel to and enter any other eu country, its called freedom of movement, so what you have said is a remain lie. However I believe they can only stay for so long unless they can support themselves and I agree that we should be doing more to remove those that cant and reclaim health costs, | |||
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" Yet another BREXIT lie that needs to be exposed. It's simply not true to say we can't control immigration more effectively and still remain in the Single Market. Firstly about 1/2 of our immigration is from none Single Market countries. Secondly we could be a lot stricture on Single Market immigration than we are now. We don't have to allow people to enter or stay here if they don't have work; we don't have to allow people to enter or stay here if they don't have the means to support themselves and their dependants; we don't have to allow people to enter or stay here who do not have adequate health insurance to cover any pre-existing conditions or likely health needs for the duration of their stay. Canturia knows all this to be true because he's been told it before. The question he, and other BREXITers never answer is 'why do they believe that any government will do more to control immigration once we leave the EU when none have even done what they could to control it now?' I expect the same answer from the BREXITers on this question as usual, which is none. Any eu citizen can travel to and enter any other eu country, its called freedom of movement, so what you have said is a remain lie. However I believe they can only stay for so long unless they can support themselves and I agree that we should be doing more to remove those that cant and reclaim health costs, " Plus the EU have made it crystal clear from their point of view if you stay in the single market you MUST accept the four freedoms which includes free movement of people in the EU. Therefore the EU has given the UK no other choice but to leave the single market so we can stop the free movement of people and control our borders and have our own immigration policy after Brexit. | |||
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" Yet another BREXIT lie that needs to be exposed. It's simply not true to say we can't control immigration more effectively and still remain in the Single Market. Firstly about 1/2 of our immigration is from none Single Market countries. Secondly we could be a lot stricture on Single Market immigration than we are now. We don't have to allow people to enter or stay here if they don't have work; we don't have to allow people to enter or stay here if they don't have the means to support themselves and their dependants; we don't have to allow people to enter or stay here who do not have adequate health insurance to cover any pre-existing conditions or likely health needs for the duration of their stay. Canturia knows all this to be true because he's been told it before. The question he, and other BREXITers never answer is 'why do they believe that any government will do more to control immigration once we leave the EU when none have even done what they could to control it now?' I expect the same answer from the BREXITers on this question as usual, which is none. Any eu citizen can travel to and enter any other eu country, its called freedom of movement, so what you have said is a remain lie. However I believe they can only stay for so long unless they can support themselves and I agree that we should be doing more to remove those that cant and reclaim health costs, Plus the EU have made it crystal clear from their point of view if you stay in the single market you MUST accept the four freedoms which includes free movement of people in the EU. Therefore the EU has given the UK no other choice but to leave the single market so we can stop the free movement of people and control our borders and have our own immigration policy after Brexit. " you believe that do you Jesus | |||
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" Yet another BREXIT lie that needs to be exposed. It's simply not true to say we can't control immigration more effectively and still remain in the Single Market. Firstly about 1/2 of our immigration is from none Single Market countries. Secondly we could be a lot stricture on Single Market immigration than we are now. We don't have to allow people to enter or stay here if they don't have work; we don't have to allow people to enter or stay here if they don't have the means to support themselves and their dependants; we don't have to allow people to enter or stay here who do not have adequate health insurance to cover any pre-existing conditions or likely health needs for the duration of their stay. Canturia knows all this to be true because he's been told it before. The question he, and other BREXITers never answer is 'why do they believe that any government will do more to control immigration once we leave the EU when none have even done what they could to control it now?' I expect the same answer from the BREXITers on this question as usual, which is none. Any eu citizen can travel to and enter any other eu country, its called freedom of movement, so what you have said is a remain lie. However I believe they can only stay for so long unless they can support themselves and I agree that we should be doing more to remove those that cant and reclaim health costs, Plus the EU have made it crystal clear from their point of view if you stay in the single market you MUST accept the four freedoms which includes free movement of people in the EU. Therefore the EU has given the UK no other choice but to leave the single market so we can stop the free movement of people and control our borders and have our own immigration policy after Brexit. " Here you go genius from your favourite read
THERESA May’s pledge to control immigration after Brexit was called into fresh doubt as it emerged a record 650,000 new arrivals poured into Britain in just the last year.
In a devastating indictment on the PM and her ministers, the majority who came here in the 12 months to June – 289,000 – were not from the EU but the rest of the world.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2303156/net-migration-to-britain-remains-at-record-levels-after-eu-arrivals-hits-a-historic-high-in-the-12-months-to-june/
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" Here you go genius from your favourite read
THERESA May’s pledge to control immigration after Brexit was called into fresh doubt as it emerged a record 650,000 new arrivals poured into Britain in just the last year.
In a devastating indictment on the PM and her ministers, the majority who came here in the 12 months to June – 289,000 – were not from the EU but the rest of the world.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2303156/net-migration-to-britain-remains-at-record-levels-after-eu-arrivals-hits-a-historic-high-in-the-12-months-to-june/
"Somebody needs to go back to school,280,000 is not a majority of 650,000, well unless your Diane Abbott then it might be, however thats still far too high, it amuses me when you get those middle class remainers who love immigration yet create merry hell when new houses are proposed to house all these extra people and they will be built near them, NIMBYS, oh yes we need new houses but not near me thanks | |||
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" Yet another BREXIT lie that needs to be exposed. It's simply not true to say we can't control immigration more effectively and still remain in the Single Market. Firstly about 1/2 of our immigration is from none Single Market countries. Secondly we could be a lot stricture on Single Market immigration than we are now. We don't have to allow people to enter or stay here if they don't have work; we don't have to allow people to enter or stay here if they don't have the means to support themselves and their dependants; we don't have to allow people to enter or stay here who do not have adequate health insurance to cover any pre-existing conditions or likely health needs for the duration of their stay. Canturia knows all this to be true because he's been told it before. The question he, and other BREXITers never answer is 'why do they believe that any government will do more to control immigration once we leave the EU when none have even done what they could to control it now?' I expect the same answer from the BREXITers on this question as usual, which is none. Any eu citizen can travel to and enter any other eu country, its called freedom of movement, so what you have said is a remain lie. However I believe they can only stay for so long unless they can support themselves and I agree that we should be doing more to remove those that cant and reclaim health costs, " The phrase I used was "enter or stay". Anyone who does not meet the criteria above after 3 months we do not have to allow to stay. Anyone who has not met the criteria above previously and can't prove they can meet them now we do not have to allow to enter. Unless you're saying we're going to introduce tourist visas after we leave the EU the free three month period will remain regardless of any free movement of labour rules we may have then. | |||
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" Yet another BREXIT lie that needs to be exposed. It's simply not true to say we can't control immigration more effectively and still remain in the Single Market. Firstly about 1/2 of our immigration is from none Single Market countries. Secondly we could be a lot stricture on Single Market immigration than we are now. We don't have to allow people to enter or stay here if they don't have work; we don't have to allow people to enter or stay here if they don't have the means to support themselves and their dependants; we don't have to allow people to enter or stay here who do not have adequate health insurance to cover any pre-existing conditions or likely health needs for the duration of their stay. Canturia knows all this to be true because he's been told it before. The question he, and other BREXITers never answer is 'why do they believe that any government will do more to control immigration once we leave the EU when none have even done what they could to control it now?' I expect the same answer from the BREXITers on this question as usual, which is none. Any eu citizen can travel to and enter any other eu country, its called freedom of movement, so what you have said is a remain lie. However I believe they can only stay for so long unless they can support themselves and I agree that we should be doing more to remove those that cant and reclaim health costs, Plus the EU have made it crystal clear from their point of view if you stay in the single market you MUST accept the four freedoms which includes free movement of people in the EU. Therefore the EU has given the UK no other choice but to leave the single market so we can stop the free movement of people and control our borders and have our own immigration policy after Brexit. " Lichtenstein, Belgium and Switzerland are all members of the Single Market but have much tougher rules on immigration from other members states than we do here. It's perfectly possible to have more control over SM immigration whilst still meeting the four freedoms. | |||
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" Here you go genius from your favourite read
THERESA May’s pledge to control immigration after Brexit was called into fresh doubt as it emerged a record 650,000 new arrivals poured into Britain in just the last year.
In a devastating indictment on the PM and her ministers, the majority who came here in the 12 months to June – 289,000 – were not from the EU but the rest of the world.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2303156/net-migration-to-britain-remains-at-record-levels-after-eu-arrivals-hits-a-historic-high-in-the-12-months-to-june/
Somebody needs to go back to school,280,000 is not a majority of 650,000, well unless your Diane Abbott then it might be, however thats still far too high, it amuses me when you get those middle class remainers who love immigration yet create merry hell when new houses are proposed to house all these extra people and they will be built near them, NIMBYS, oh yes we need new houses but not near me thanks"PMSL. It's actually The Sun that needs to get its maths right. What it actually says in brief is:- 680,000 immigrants came to the UK in 2016. The majority (289,000) were from the EU and the remainder (284,000) were from the rest of the world. Maybe 113,000 came in UFOs from outer space? But them it is The Sun. | |||
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"St this rate he is gonna mop up the UKIP Votes
"He already did. And I'm not saying that UKIP voters are fascists but I have always said here that there is little difference between fascism and socialism and and that fascism was born out of socialism. Maybe people will wake up | |||
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" Yet another BREXIT lie that needs to be exposed. It's simply not true to say we can't control immigration more effectively and still remain in the Single Market. Firstly about 1/2 of our immigration is from none Single Market countries. Secondly we could be a lot stricture on Single Market immigration than we are now. We don't have to allow people to enter or stay here if they don't have work; we don't have to allow people to enter or stay here if they don't have the means to support themselves and their dependants; we don't have to allow people to enter or stay here who do not have adequate health insurance to cover any pre-existing conditions or likely health needs for the duration of their stay. Canturia knows all this to be true because he's been told it before. The question he, and other BREXITers never answer is 'why do they believe that any government will do more to control immigration once we leave the EU when none have even done what they could to control it now?' I expect the same answer from the BREXITers on this question as usual, which is none. Any eu citizen can travel to and enter any other eu country, its called freedom of movement, so what you have said is a remain lie. However I believe they can only stay for so long unless they can support themselves and I agree that we should be doing more to remove those that cant and reclaim health costs, Plus the EU have made it crystal clear from their point of view if you stay in the single market you MUST accept the four freedoms which includes free movement of people in the EU. Therefore the EU has given the UK no other choice but to leave the single market so we can stop the free movement of people and control our borders and have our own immigration policy after Brexit. you believe that do you Jesus " People are calling Jeremy Jesus and that's what he believes. | |||
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" Here you go genius from your favourite read
THERESA May’s pledge to control immigration after Brexit was called into fresh doubt as it emerged a record 650,000 new arrivals poured into Britain in just the last year.
In a devastating indictment on the PM and her ministers, the majority who came here in the 12 months to June – 289,000 – were not from the EU but the rest of the world.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2303156/net-migration-to-britain-remains-at-record-levels-after-eu-arrivals-hits-a-historic-high-in-the-12-months-to-june/
Somebody needs to go back to school,280,000 is not a majority of 650,000, well unless your Diane Abbott then it might be, however thats still far too high, it amuses me when you get those middle class remainers who love immigration yet create merry hell when new houses are proposed to house all these extra people and they will be built near them, NIMBYS, oh yes we need new houses but not near me thanks
PMSL. It's actually The Sun that needs to get its maths right. What it actually says in brief is:-
680,000 immigrants came to the UK in 2016. The majority (289,000) were from the EU and the remainder (284,000) were from the rest of the world.
Maybe 113,000 came in UFOs from outer space?
But them it is The Sun."Dont mess there brains up with facts please you know these people cant handle it....and they totally missed the point on what i was getting at....my cynicism waqs aim at the rags there people get there info from | |||
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" They want out of the EU ...not the single market genius...that would be economical suicide both parties know that...what do you get
Try reading the guardian piece about it, then say corbyn wants to stay in the snigle market.
Corbyn ordered his MPs to abstain on the wording because, although Labour policy chimes with most of the sentiment, the party does not support the bid to keep full membership of the single market.
Is that clear enough ?
read the manifesto that will clear it up for YOU"The trouble is that the manifesto is written in such a way that a pro or anti brexit stance could be read into. Clever for electoral success, but disappointing for the millions who voted for them | |||
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" They want out of the EU ...not the single market genius...that would be economical suicide both parties know that...what do you get
Try reading the guardian piece about it, then say corbyn wants to stay in the snigle market.
Corbyn ordered his MPs to abstain on the wording because, although Labour policy chimes with most of the sentiment, the party does not support the bid to keep full membership of the single market.
Is that clear enough ?
read the manifesto that will clear it up for YOU
The trouble is that the manifesto is written in such a way that a pro or anti brexit stance could be read into. Clever for electoral success, but disappointing for the millions who voted for them"I'm only going to say "I told you so" once to you because I'm pretty sure we're both going be saying it lot more to the BREXITers in two years time if they actually manage to get the sort of economically suicidal BREXIT they seem to want. | |||
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"will build a close co-operative future relationship with the EU, not as members but as partners. " Norway and Switzerland have a close co-operative relationship with the EU, not as members but as partners. You don't have to be a member of the EU to be in the Single Market or the Customs Union. This manifesto commitment doesn't rule out either of those. " Freedom of movement will end when we leave the European Union. Britain’s immigration system will change. " Our current free movement arrangements, which we have as part of our membership of the EU, will end when we leave the EU. However that does not mean that we won't have exactly the same, or very similar, free movement arrangements either as part of EFTA, EEA or what ever trading arrangement we have, even WTO rules. Granted it also doesn't mean we will have those free movement rights either. In fact it says and means absolutely nothing at all except the blindingly obvious that when we leave the EU we will no longer have free movement as a result of being a member of the EU. " Labour is committed to the rules-based international trading system of the World Trade Organisation (WTO). " Again this means nothing. Britain has always been committed to the rules-based system of the WTO. The EU is actually part of that rules-based trading system. " The above statements copy/paste from labour manifesto. Clearly stating we will leave the EU. " Yes, it does say that. " We will end freedom of movement.... " Well no it doesn't actually say that as I've already pointed out. " as this is a key pre-requisite of membership of the single market " Except that free movement, as implemented by the UK for the last 20 years or so, is not a pre-requisite of membership of the European Single Market (EUSM). As has also been said on many posts, some quiet recently, Belgium, Switzerland, Lichtenstein and others all enforce stricter rules on EUSM citizens that wish to permanently reside in them than the UK operates. " ...then we are leaving the single market. We will trade under WTO rules. Hope that's clear enough? " Well it's clear enough that that's your interpretation of what it says but then it was designed to placate both leavers and remainers which is why, when you actually look at what it actually says about BREXIT, it really says nothing at all except that a hard 'no deal is better than a bad deal' BREXIT is not an acceptable BREXIT at all. | |||
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"St this rate he is gonna mop up the UKIP Votes
He already did. And I'm not saying that UKIP voters are fascists but I have always said here that there is little difference between fascism and socialism and and that fascism was born out of socialism. Maybe people will wake up"Then you have always said something silly. Fascism isn't borne out of socialism. The dictionary definition of fascism is: an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization | |||
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"I don't trust Jeremy on BREXIT either way, I'm pretty sure he'll go more towards his historic BREXIT approach if he can but will moderate it if he believes it will get votes. However Jeremy is not the Labour party so let me translate these statements for you, then reread the BREXIT section of their Manifesto again, especially the bits I pointed out in a previous post the other day. will build a close co-operative future relationship with the EU, not as members but as partners. Norway and Switzerland have a close co-operative relationship with the EU, not as members but as partners. You don't have to be a member of the EU to be in the Single Market or the Customs Union. This manifesto commitment doesn't rule out either of those. Freedom of movement will end when we leave the European Union. Britain’s immigration system will change. Our current free movement arrangements, which we have as part of our membership of the EU, will end when we leave the EU. However that does not mean that we won't have exactly the same, or very similar, free movement arrangements either as part of EFTA, EEA or what ever trading arrangement we have, even WTO rules. Granted it also doesn't mean we will have those free movement rights either. In fact it says and means absolutely nothing at all except the blindingly obvious that when we leave the EU we will no longer have free movement as a result of being a member of the EU. Labour is committed to the rules-based international trading system of the World Trade Organisation (WTO). Again this means nothing. Britain has always been committed to the rules-based system of the WTO. The EU is actually part of that rules-based trading system. The above statements copy/paste from labour manifesto. Clearly stating we will leave the EU. Yes, it does say that. We will end freedom of movement.... Well no it doesn't actually say that as I've already pointed out. as this is a key pre-requisite of membership of the single market Except that free movement, as implemented by the UK for the last 20 years or so, is not a pre-requisite of membership of the European Single Market (EUSM). As has also been said on many posts, some quiet recently, Belgium, Switzerland, Lichtenstein and others all enforce stricter rules on EUSM citizens that wish to permanently reside in them than the UK operates. ...then we are leaving the single market. We will trade under WTO rules. Hope that's clear enough? Well it's clear enough that that's your interpretation of what it says but then it was designed to placate both leavers and remainers which is why, when you actually look at what it actually says about BREXIT, it really says nothing at all except that a hard 'no deal is better than a bad deal' BREXIT is not an acceptable BREXIT at all." EXACTLY!.... there is a thread titled labours cunning plan that explains it exactly! They had an ambiguous manifesto and peddled different spin in different seats depending on how they had split over the brexit referendum. John McDonald and his momentum chums stitched the voters up like kippers (including the Ukippers!). The single market vote in parliament and subsequent sacking of shadow ministers revealed the truth. Must be some gutted remainders realising the con-trick pulled by labour in their seat, while the line peddled in exit biting seats was nearer to the truth. | |||
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"I don't trust Jeremy on BREXIT either way, I'm pretty sure he'll go more towards his historic BREXIT approach if he can but will moderate it if he believes it will get votes. However Jeremy is not the Labour party so let me translate these statements for you, then reread the BREXIT section of their Manifesto again, especially the bits I pointed out in a previous post the other day. will build a close co-operative future relationship with the EU, not as members but as partners. Norway and Switzerland have a close co-operative relationship with the EU, not as members but as partners. You don't have to be a member of the EU to be in the Single Market or the Customs Union. This manifesto commitment doesn't rule out either of those. Freedom of movement will end when we leave the European Union. Britain’s immigration system will change. Our current free movement arrangements, which we have as part of our membership of the EU, will end when we leave the EU. However that does not mean that we won't have exactly the same, or very similar, free movement arrangements either as part of EFTA, EEA or what ever trading arrangement we have, even WTO rules. Granted it also doesn't mean we will have those free movement rights either. In fact it says and means absolutely nothing at all except the blindingly obvious that when we leave the EU we will no longer have free movement as a result of being a member of the EU. Labour is committed to the rules-based international trading system of the World Trade Organisation (WTO). Again this means nothing. Britain has always been committed to the rules-based system of the WTO. The EU is actually part of that rules-based trading system. The above statements copy/paste from labour manifesto. Clearly stating we will leave the EU. Yes, it does say that. We will end freedom of movement.... Well no it doesn't actually say that as I've already pointed out. as this is a key pre-requisite of membership of the single market Except that free movement, as implemented by the UK for the last 20 years or so, is not a pre-requisite of membership of the European Single Market (EUSM). As has also been said on many posts, some quiet recently, Belgium, Switzerland, Lichtenstein and others all enforce stricter rules on EUSM citizens that wish to permanently reside in them than the UK operates. ...then we are leaving the single market. We will trade under WTO rules. Hope that's clear enough? Well it's clear enough that that's your interpretation of what it says but then it was designed to placate both leavers and remainers which is why, when you actually look at what it actually says about BREXIT, it really says nothing at all except that a hard 'no deal is better than a bad deal' BREXIT is not an acceptable BREXIT at all. EXACTLY!.... there is a thread titled labours cunning plan that explains it exactly! They had an ambiguous manifesto and peddled different spin in different seats depending on how they had split over the brexit referendum. John McDonald and his momentum chums stitched the voters up like kippers (including the Ukippers!). The single market vote in parliament and subsequent sacking of shadow ministers revealed the truth. Must be some gutted remainders realising the con-trick pulled by labour in their seat, while the line peddled in exit biting seats was nearer to the truth." Labour's position remains just as ambiguous now as it was before the vote. It remains as has been expressed by many Labour MPs and members not to rule out or in membership of the Single Market and Customs Union. It's not what I want it to be, It's not what you want it to be but it was and still remains what it is. | |||
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"The vote in parliament last week on Chukka's ammendment cleared all this up. The Labour party position NOW is to leave the single market and the customs union. Chukka's ammendment to commit to single market and customs union membership was rejected. The official Labour policy on Brexit now is to leave the single market and the customs union. It was made crystal clear with the vote, the Labour leadership want out of the single market and the customs union, the Labour front bench (now) are all in agreement with the leadership, the leadership control the whip so the whip will enforce this view on future votes and this is the Labour party policy on Brexit. " The Labour party's position still remains as it was, which is to neither rule in or out membership of the Single Market or the Customs Union. Chukka's amendment would have ruled membership of both in, something I'd be very happy with, but the Labour whip to abstain does not rule it out, it simply leaves it as it was before, neither ruled in or out. | |||
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"The vote in parliament last week on Chukka's ammendment cleared all this up. The Labour party position NOW is to leave the single market and the customs union. Chukka's ammendment to commit to single market and customs union membership was rejected. The official Labour policy on Brexit now is to leave the single market and the customs union. It was made crystal clear with the vote, the Labour leadership want out of the single market and the customs union, the Labour front bench (now) are all in agreement with the leadership, the leadership control the whip so the whip will enforce this view on future votes and this is the Labour party policy on Brexit. The Labour party's position still remains as it was, which is to neither rule in or out membership of the Single Market or the Customs Union. Chukka's amendment would have ruled membership of both in, something I'd be very happy with, but the Labour whip to abstain does not rule it out, it simply leaves it as it was before, neither ruled in or out." No that's wrong and you know it. If Labour was in favour of staying in the single market and the customs union they would have voted for Chukka's ammendment. The fact they rejected it speaks volumes. It's a clear sign labour want out of the single market and the customs union. | |||
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"The vote in parliament last week on Chukka's ammendment cleared all this up. The Labour party position NOW is to leave the single market and the customs union. Chukka's ammendment to commit to single market and customs union membership was rejected. The official Labour policy on Brexit now is to leave the single market and the customs union. It was made crystal clear with the vote, the Labour leadership want out of the single market and the customs union, the Labour front bench (now) are all in agreement with the leadership, the leadership control the whip so the whip will enforce this view on future votes and this is the Labour party policy on Brexit. The Labour party's position still remains as it was, which is to neither rule in or out membership of the Single Market or the Customs Union. Chukka's amendment would have ruled membership of both in, something I'd be very happy with, but the Labour whip to abstain does not rule it out, it simply leaves it as it was before, neither ruled in or out. No that's wrong and you know it. If Labour was in favour of staying in the single market and the customs union they would have voted for Chukka's ammendment. The fact they rejected it speaks volumes. It's a clear sign labour want out of the single market and the customs union. " I don't know it at all. As I have said before, I'm pretty sure that Corbyn and McDonald are BREXITers, always have been and probably always will be. The other thing we can all be sure about is that at least 50 Labour MPs are definitely in favour of the UK staying in the Single Market and Customs Union. The remainder of the Labour MPs have followed the whip to abstain, not even to vote against but simply to abstain. That's completely in-line with Labour's declared position which currently is to neither rule in or out membership of the Single Market or Customs union. You can keep spinning it means something it doesn't but it still doesn't actually mean what you say. | |||
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