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"" the test for all of us is whether we choose to reflect divisions or help the country overcome them. With humility and resolve, this government will seek to do the latter.” Has she finally seen the light? This is about the only thing she has said since taking office that has any element of credence." Of course she hasnt seen the light. It has no credibility because she's a PM desperately trying to cling to power without a clue as to what she's doing and a set of policies which neither add up financially nor make any sense socially. She might as well resign now. She can't even negotiate with 10 DUP MPs let alone 27 EU nations. The woman is utterly useless | |||
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"" the test for all of us is whether we choose to reflect divisions or help the country overcome them. With humility and resolve, this government will seek to do the latter.” Has she finally seen the light? This is about the only thing she has said since taking office that has any element of credence. Of course she hasnt seen the light. It has no credibility because she's a PM desperately trying to cling to power without a clue as to what she's doing and a set of policies which neither add up financially nor make any sense socially. She might as well resign now. She can't even negotiate with 10 DUP MPs let alone 27 EU nations. The woman is utterly useless" Couldn't agree more she is the laughing stock of the country | |||
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"" the test for all of us is whether we choose to reflect divisions or help the country overcome them. With humility and resolve, this government will seek to do the latter.” Has she finally seen the light? This is about the only thing she has said since taking office that has any element of credence. Of course she hasnt seen the light. It has no credibility because she's a PM desperately trying to cling to power without a clue as to what she's doing and a set of policies which neither add up financially nor make any sense socially. She might as well resign now. She can't even negotiate with 10 DUP MPs let alone 27 EU nations. The woman is utterly useless Couldn't agree more she is the laughing stock of the country " Yet still managed to increase the percentage vote of the Conservatives, and won the biggest percentage vote of all the parties. If she's useless and the laughing stock, then what does that say about all the others? | |||
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"" the test for all of us is whether we choose to reflect divisions or help the country overcome them. With humility and resolve, this government will seek to do the latter.” Has she finally seen the light? This is about the only thing she has said since taking office that has any element of credence. Of course she hasnt seen the light. It has no credibility because she's a PM desperately trying to cling to power without a clue as to what she's doing and a set of policies which neither add up financially nor make any sense socially. She might as well resign now. She can't even negotiate with 10 DUP MPs let alone 27 EU nations. The woman is utterly useless Couldn't agree more she is the laughing stock of the country Yet still managed to increase the percentage vote of the Conservatives, and won the biggest percentage vote of all the parties. If she's useless and the laughing stock, then what does that say about all the others?" wait and see | |||
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"" the test for all of us is whether we choose to reflect divisions or help the country overcome them. With humility and resolve, this government will seek to do the latter.” Has she finally seen the light? This is about the only thing she has said since taking office that has any element of credence." She said something when she took office that I thought eh up that sounds quite liberal and interesting but sadly as we've seen she has been a complete shambles thus far.. Who knows, has the penny dropped or is it more hollow words? And will she be there long enough to start to do it.. Her body language suggests otherwise.. | |||
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"" the test for all of us is whether we choose to reflect divisions or help the country overcome them. With humility and resolve, this government will seek to do the latter.” Has she finally seen the light? This is about the only thing she has said since taking office that has any element of credence. Of course she hasnt seen the light. It has no credibility because she's a PM desperately trying to cling to power without a clue as to what she's doing and a set of policies which neither add up financially nor make any sense socially. She might as well resign now. She can't even negotiate with 10 DUP MPs let alone 27 EU nations. The woman is utterly useless Couldn't agree more she is the laughing stock of the country Yet still managed to increase the percentage vote of the Conservatives, and won the biggest percentage vote of all the parties. If she's useless and the laughing stock, then what does that say about all the others?" She didnt win a majority though did she? Her objective was a large majority and she cocked up. Trying to paint this as anything other than a balls up is ridiculous. Her arrogance and stupidity has destabilised the country - she's a clown | |||
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"" the test for all of us is whether we choose to reflect divisions or help the country overcome them. With humility and resolve, this government will seek to do the latter.” Has she finally seen the light? This is about the only thing she has said since taking office that has any element of credence. Of course she hasnt seen the light. It has no credibility because she's a PM desperately trying to cling to power without a clue as to what she's doing and a set of policies which neither add up financially nor make any sense socially. She might as well resign now. She can't even negotiate with 10 DUP MPs let alone 27 EU nations. The woman is utterly useless Couldn't agree more she is the laughing stock of the country Yet still managed to increase the percentage vote of the Conservatives, and won the biggest percentage vote of all the parties. If she's useless and the laughing stock, then what does that say about all the others?" She did yes. The numbers don't lie but in a way were we had the same least worst option as the states did last year and she stays in post for now her paper thin strong and stable persona has been destroyed and by her own ineptitude in the election and the EU know this also.. Look at what she said in the 12 months prior to the speech yesterday, all over the place with mixed messages and a control freak mentality even when announcing major policies she hadn't bothered to speak to her cabinet about.. That does not bode well for the next few years of negotiation .. | |||
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"" the test for all of us is whether we choose to reflect divisions or help the country overcome them. With humility and resolve, this government will seek to do the latter.” Has she finally seen the light? This is about the only thing she has said since taking office that has any element of credence. Of course she hasnt seen the light. It has no credibility because she's a PM desperately trying to cling to power without a clue as to what she's doing and a set of policies which neither add up financially nor make any sense socially. She might as well resign now. She can't even negotiate with 10 DUP MPs let alone 27 EU nations. The woman is utterly useless Couldn't agree more she is the laughing stock of the country Yet still managed to increase the percentage vote of the Conservatives, and won the biggest percentage vote of all the parties. If she's useless and the laughing stock, then what does that say about all the others?" You really do enjoy clutching at straws, don't you? By any standards, the election (and what has happened since) has shown May up as useless and ineffectual. She is now a laughing stock in the UK and Europe. Her wish for a substantial majority was comprehensively rejected by the electorate and instead of taking the country forward she has taken us several giant steps backwards. | |||
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"" the test for all of us is whether we choose to reflect divisions or help the country overcome them. With humility and resolve, this government will seek to do the latter.” Has she finally seen the light? This is about the only thing she has said since taking office that has any element of credence. Of course she hasnt seen the light. It has no credibility because she's a PM desperately trying to cling to power without a clue as to what she's doing and a set of policies which neither add up financially nor make any sense socially. She might as well resign now. She can't even negotiate with 10 DUP MPs let alone 27 EU nations. The woman is utterly useless Couldn't agree more she is the laughing stock of the country Yet still managed to increase the percentage vote of the Conservatives, and won the biggest percentage vote of all the parties. If she's useless and the laughing stock, then what does that say about all the others?" And what advantage has she gained from the decision to call the election? What benefit has she got from how the campaign was run? And how much stronger and stable is she thanks to the result? You can keep on and on about the vote totals but like Clintons popular vote win it is absolutely meaningless and irrelevant. She's less popular, weaker, less respected, more likely to lose the partys support. Labours been strengthened, their support is up, their membership is up. The DUP are stronger and dragging concessions out of May she doesnt want to give. The EU is more popular with citizens than it was a year ago ( including in the UK) and more stable because if it. Everyone is better off now except the tories and May. She has a use and thats to strengthen her opponents. | |||
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"" the test for all of us is whether we choose to reflect divisions or help the country overcome them. With humility and resolve, this government will seek to do the latter.” Has she finally seen the light? This is about the only thing she has said since taking office that has any element of credence. Of course she hasnt seen the light. It has no credibility because she's a PM desperately trying to cling to power without a clue as to what she's doing and a set of policies which neither add up financially nor make any sense socially. She might as well resign now. She can't even negotiate with 10 DUP MPs let alone 27 EU nations. The woman is utterly useless Couldn't agree more she is the laughing stock of the country Yet still managed to increase the percentage vote of the Conservatives, and won the biggest percentage vote of all the parties. If she's useless and the laughing stock, then what does that say about all the others?" Exactly. When you look at the actual numbers (and not percentages) The conservatives got more votes in this election than Labour did for their Landslide victory in 1997. Percentages only tell half the story | |||
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"" the test for all of us is whether we choose to reflect divisions or help the country overcome them. With humility and resolve, this government will seek to do the latter.” Has she finally seen the light? This is about the only thing she has said since taking office that has any element of credence. Of course she hasnt seen the light. It has no credibility because she's a PM desperately trying to cling to power without a clue as to what she's doing and a set of policies which neither add up financially nor make any sense socially. She might as well resign now. She can't even negotiate with 10 DUP MPs let alone 27 EU nations. The woman is utterly useless Couldn't agree more she is the laughing stock of the country Yet still managed to increase the percentage vote of the Conservatives, and won the biggest percentage vote of all the parties. If she's useless and the laughing stock, then what does that say about all the others? And what advantage has she gained from the decision to call the election? What benefit has she got from how the campaign was run? And how much stronger and stable is she thanks to the result? You can keep on and on about the vote totals but like Clintons popular vote win it is absolutely meaningless and irrelevant. She's less popular, weaker, less respected, more likely to lose the partys support. Labours been strengthened, their support is up, their membership is up. The DUP are stronger and dragging concessions out of May she doesnt want to give. The EU is more popular with citizens than it was a year ago ( including in the UK) and more stable because if it. Everyone is better off now except the tories and May. She has a use and thats to strengthen her opponents." ... the tories, May and Britain ... | |||
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"" the test for all of us is whether we choose to reflect divisions or help the country overcome them. With humility and resolve, this government will seek to do the latter.” Has she finally seen the light? This is about the only thing she has said since taking office that has any element of credence. Of course she hasnt seen the light. It has no credibility because she's a PM desperately trying to cling to power without a clue as to what she's doing and a set of policies which neither add up financially nor make any sense socially. She might as well resign now. She can't even negotiate with 10 DUP MPs let alone 27 EU nations. The woman is utterly useless Couldn't agree more she is the laughing stock of the country Yet still managed to increase the percentage vote of the Conservatives, and won the biggest percentage vote of all the parties. If she's useless and the laughing stock, then what does that say about all the others? Exactly. When you look at the actual numbers (and not percentages) The conservatives got more votes in this election than Labour did for their Landslide victory in 1997. Percentages only tell half the story" The full story is that she hasnt got a majority....... | |||
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"I'm still trying to work out how she formed a government and still hasn't done a deal with the DUP. No deal means no majority. " Has she officially formed a government yet? I'm not sure when it becomes official. Is it already, or not until the Queen's speech has been voted on? -Matt | |||
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"" the test for all of us is whether we choose to reflect divisions or help the country overcome them. With humility and resolve, this government will seek to do the latter.” Has she finally seen the light? This is about the only thing she has said since taking office that has any element of credence. Of course she hasnt seen the light. It has no credibility because she's a PM desperately trying to cling to power without a clue as to what she's doing and a set of policies which neither add up financially nor make any sense socially. She might as well resign now. She can't even negotiate with 10 DUP MPs let alone 27 EU nations. The woman is utterly useless Couldn't agree more she is the laughing stock of the country Yet still managed to increase the percentage vote of the Conservatives, and won the biggest percentage vote of all the parties. If she's useless and the laughing stock, then what does that say about all the others? Exactly. When you look at the actual numbers (and not percentages) The conservatives got more votes in this election than Labour did for their Landslide victory in 1997. Percentages only tell half the story" The last thing I want is a Corbyn led Labour government but Conservative supporters sticking their collective heads in the sand and trying to spin to themselves that what can only be called an electoral disaster is actually some kind of election victory is to effectively hand Corbyn the next election on a platter. The Conservative party, and it's supporters, need to take a long hard look at themselves and then ask themselves why, when they've done well in elections in the past, people in and around the centre of politics (the floating voters) have voted for them. I would ponder that it's not because of their social policies, nor because of there ambivalent attitude toward fox hunting and animal rights in general. I would suggest that the main reason why floating voters have voted Conservative in the past is because they trusted the Conservatives economic policies more than anyone else's. That being the case, why would these floating voters be willing to back the Conservatives whilst they are following an economic policy (BREXIT) that almost every single financial expert in the world says is going to seriously damage our economy. You may take the Gove approach to experts but the floating voter does not. As Clinton said to Bush Snr "It's the economy stupid" or as Kenneth Clark said "Good economics IS good politics" While the Conservatives continue to sacrifice their economic credibility on the alter of BREXIT they stand no chance of winning an election out right. And, as the economic consequences of BREXIT byte more and more, the economic credibility of the Conservatives will shrink even more. | |||
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"" the test for all of us is whether we choose to reflect divisions or help the country overcome them. With humility and resolve, this government will seek to do the latter.” Has she finally seen the light? This is about the only thing she has said since taking office that has any element of credence. Of course she hasnt seen the light. It has no credibility because she's a PM desperately trying to cling to power without a clue as to what she's doing and a set of policies which neither add up financially nor make any sense socially. She might as well resign now. She can't even negotiate with 10 DUP MPs let alone 27 EU nations. The woman is utterly useless Couldn't agree more she is the laughing stock of the country Yet still managed to increase the percentage vote of the Conservatives, and won the biggest percentage vote of all the parties. If she's useless and the laughing stock, then what does that say about all the others? You really do enjoy clutching at straws, don't you? By any standards, the election (and what has happened since) has shown May up as useless and ineffectual. She is now a laughing stock in the UK and Europe. Her wish for a substantial majority was comprehensively rejected by the electorate and instead of taking the country forward she has taken us several giant steps backwards. " Such a shame then that shes still better than any of the alternatives then | |||
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"You don't have to have 326 seats to form a government, just more seats than anyone else. But to get a bill through the house you do need that majority. " Except if half the MPs vote for a motion of no confidence in the government and then theres another election. | |||
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"" the test for all of us is whether we choose to reflect divisions or help the country overcome them. With humility and resolve, this government will seek to do the latter.” Has she finally seen the light? This is about the only thing she has said since taking office that has any element of credence. Of course she hasnt seen the light. It has no credibility because she's a PM desperately trying to cling to power without a clue as to what she's doing and a set of policies which neither add up financially nor make any sense socially. She might as well resign now. She can't even negotiate with 10 DUP MPs let alone 27 EU nations. The woman is utterly useless Couldn't agree more she is the laughing stock of the country Yet still managed to increase the percentage vote of the Conservatives, and won the biggest percentage vote of all the parties. If she's useless and the laughing stock, then what does that say about all the others? Exactly. When you look at the actual numbers (and not percentages) The conservatives got more votes in this election than Labour did for their Landslide victory in 1997. Percentages only tell half the story The last thing I want is a Corbyn led Labour government but Conservative supporters sticking their collective heads in the sand and trying to spin to themselves that what can only be called an electoral disaster is actually some kind of election victory is to effectively hand Corbyn the next election on a platter. The Conservative party, and it's supporters, need to take a long hard look at themselves and then ask themselves why, when they've done well in elections in the past, people in and around the centre of politics (the floating voters) have voted for them. I would ponder that it's not because of their social policies, nor because of there ambivalent attitude toward fox hunting and animal rights in general. I would suggest that the main reason why floating voters have voted Conservative in the past is because they trusted the Conservatives economic policies more than anyone else's. That being the case, why would these floating voters be willing to back the Conservatives whilst they are following an economic policy (BREXIT) that almost every single financial expert in the world says is going to seriously damage our economy. You may take the Gove approach to experts but the floating voter does not. As Clinton said to Bush Snr "It's the economy stupid" or as Kenneth Clark said "Good economics IS good politics" While the Conservatives continue to sacrifice their economic credibility on the alter of BREXIT they stand no chance of winning an election out right. And, as the economic consequences of BREXIT byte more and more, the economic credibility of the Conservatives will shrink even more." You keep mentioning BREXIT. The country voted on BREXIT and we decided to leave the EU. If anybody else could form a government surely they would have to do it on the basis we are leaving the EU. And I mean LEAVE...not one where we stay in this bit and keep that bit. I voted to leave and not have any part of it..! | |||
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"May has lost the respect of not just most of the people of the UK but, by backing a hard right economically suicidal version of BREXIT put forward by pigheadedly obstinate ideologue, she has added to the perception in Europe and the world that Britain is nothing more than a joke and a laughing stock. THE LAUGHING STOCK OF EUROPE [Translated from the Swiss Paper ‘Der Bund’, published on 17 June 2017] If it weren't so serious, the situation in Great Britain would almost be comical. The country is being governed by a talking robot, nicknamed the Maybot, that somehow managed to visit the burned-out tower block in the west of London without speaking to a single survivor or voluntary helper. Negotiations for the country’s exit from the EU are due to begin on Monday, but no one has even a hint of a plan. The government is dependent on a small party that provides a cozy home for climate change deniers and creationists. Boris Johnson is Foreign Secretary. What in the world has happened to this country? Two years ago David Cameron emerged from the parliamentary election as the shining victor. He had secured an absolute majority, and as a result it looked as if the career of this cheerful lightweight was headed for surprisingly dizzy heights. The economy was growing faster than in any other industrialised country in the world. Scottish independence and, with it, the break-up of the United Kingdom had been averted. For the first time since 1992, there was a Conservative majority in the House of Commons. Great Britain saw itself as a universally respected actor on the international stage. This was the starting point. In order to get from this comfortable position to the chaos of the present in the shortest possible time, two things were necessary: first, the Conservative right wingers’ obsessive hatred of the EU, and second, Cameron’s irresponsibility in putting the whole future of the country on the line with his referendum, just to satisfy a few fanatics in his party. It is becoming ever clearer just how extraordinarily bad a decision that was. The fact that Great Britain has become the laughing stock of Europe is directly linked to its vote for Brexit. The ones who will suffer most will be the British people, who were lied to by the Brexit campaign during the referendum and betrayed and treated like idiots by elements of their press. The shamelessness still knows no bounds: the Daily Express has asked in all seriousness whether the inferno in the tower block was due to the cladding having been designed to meet EU standards. It is a simple matter to discover that the answer to this question is No, but by failing to check it, the newspaper has planted the suspicion that the EU might be to blame for this too. As an aside: a country in which parts of the press are so demonstrably uninterested in truth and exploit a disaster like the fire in Grenfell Tower for their own tasteless ends is a very serious problem. Already prices are rising in the shops, already inflation is on the up. Investors are holding back. Economic growth has slowed. And that’s before the Brexit negotiations have even begun. With her unnecessary general election, Prime Minister Theresa May has already squandered an eighth of the time available for them. How on earth an undertaking as complex as Brexit is supposed to be agreed in the time remaining is a mystery. Great Britain will end up leaving its most important trading partner and will be left weaker in every respect. It would make economic sense to stay in the single market and the customs union, but that would mean being subject to regulations over which Britain no longer had any say. It would be better to have stayed in the EU in the first place. So the government now needs to develop a plan that is both politically acceptable and brings the fewest possible economic disadvantages. It’s a question of damage limitation, nothing more; yet even now there are still politicians strutting around Westminster smugly trumpeting that it will be the EU that comes off worst if it doesn’t toe the line. The EU is going to be dealing with a government that has no idea what kind of Brexit it wants, led by an unrealistic politician whose days are numbered; and a party in which old wounds are being reopened yet again: moderate Tories are currently hoping to be able to bring about a softer exit after all, but the hardliners in the party – among them more than a few pigheadedly obstinate ideologues – are already threatening rebellion. An epic battle lies ahead, and it will paralyse the government. EU chief negotiator Michel Barnier has said that he now expects the Brits to finally set out their position clearly, since he cannot negotiate with himself. The irony of this statement is that it would actually be in Britain’s best interests if he did just that. At least that way they’d have one representative on their side who grasps the scale of the task and is actually capable of securing a deal that will be fair to both sides. The Brits do not have a single negotiator of this stature in their ranks. And quite apart from the Brexit terms, both the debate and the referendum have proven to be toxic in ways that are now making themselves felt. British society is now more divided than at any time since the English civil war in the 17th century, a fact that was demonstrated anew in the general election, in which a good 80% of the votes were cast for the two largest parties. Neither of these parties was offering a centrist programme: the election was a choice between the hard right and the hard left. The political centre has been abandoned, and that is never a good sign. In a country like Great Britain, that for so long had a reputation for pragmatism and rationality, it is grounds for real concern. The situation is getting decidedly out of hand. After the loss of its empire, the United Kingdom sought a new place in the world. It finally found it, as a strong, awkward and influential part of a larger union: the EU. Now it has given up this place quite needlessly. The consequence, as is now becoming clear, is a veritable identity crisis from which it will take the country a very long time to recover. " Very accurate and sadly so.. | |||
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"May has lost the respect of not just most of the people of the UK but, by backing a hard right economically suicidal version of BREXIT put forward by pigheadedly obstinate ideologue, she has added to the perception in Europe and the world that Britain is nothing more than a joke and a laughing stock. THE LAUGHING STOCK OF EUROPE [Translated from the Swiss Paper ‘Der Bund’, published on 17 June 2017] If it weren't so serious, the situation in Great Britain would almost be comical. The country is being governed by a talking robot, nicknamed the Maybot, that somehow managed to visit the burned-out tower block in the west of London without speaking to a single survivor or voluntary helper. Negotiations for the country’s exit from the EU are due to begin on Monday, but no one has even a hint of a plan. The government is dependent on a small party that provides a cozy home for climate change deniers and creationists. Boris Johnson is Foreign Secretary. What in the world has happened to this country? Two years ago David Cameron emerged from the parliamentary election as the shining victor. He had secured an absolute majority, and as a result it looked as if the career of this cheerful lightweight was headed for surprisingly dizzy heights. The economy was growing faster than in any other industrialised country in the world. Scottish independence and, with it, the break-up of the United Kingdom had been averted. For the first time since 1992, there was a Conservative majority in the House of Commons. Great Britain saw itself as a universally respected actor on the international stage. This was the starting point. In order to get from this comfortable position to the chaos of the present in the shortest possible time, two things were necessary: first, the Conservative right wingers’ obsessive hatred of the EU, and second, Cameron’s irresponsibility in putting the whole future of the country on the line with his referendum, just to satisfy a few fanatics in his party. It is becoming ever clearer just how extraordinarily bad a decision that was. The fact that Great Britain has become the laughing stock of Europe is directly linked to its vote for Brexit. The ones who will suffer most will be the British people, who were lied to by the Brexit campaign during the referendum and betrayed and treated like idiots by elements of their press. The shamelessness still knows no bounds: the Daily Express has asked in all seriousness whether the inferno in the tower block was due to the cladding having been designed to meet EU standards. It is a simple matter to discover that the answer to this question is No, but by failing to check it, the newspaper has planted the suspicion that the EU might be to blame for this too. As an aside: a country in which parts of the press are so demonstrably uninterested in truth and exploit a disaster like the fire in Grenfell Tower for their own tasteless ends is a very serious problem. Already prices are rising in the shops, already inflation is on the up. Investors are holding back. Economic growth has slowed. And that’s before the Brexit negotiations have even begun. With her unnecessary general election, Prime Minister Theresa May has already squandered an eighth of the time available for them. How on earth an undertaking as complex as Brexit is supposed to be agreed in the time remaining is a mystery. Great Britain will end up leaving its most important trading partner and will be left weaker in every respect. It would make economic sense to stay in the single market and the customs union, but that would mean being subject to regulations over which Britain no longer had any say. It would be better to have stayed in the EU in the first place. So the government now needs to develop a plan that is both politically acceptable and brings the fewest possible economic disadvantages. It’s a question of damage limitation, nothing more; yet even now there are still politicians strutting around Westminster smugly trumpeting that it will be the EU that comes off worst if it doesn’t toe the line. The EU is going to be dealing with a government that has no idea what kind of Brexit it wants, led by an unrealistic politician whose days are numbered; and a party in which old wounds are being reopened yet again: moderate Tories are currently hoping to be able to bring about a softer exit after all, but the hardliners in the party – among them more than a few pigheadedly obstinate ideologues – are already threatening rebellion. An epic battle lies ahead, and it will paralyse the government. EU chief negotiator Michel Barnier has said that he now expects the Brits to finally set out their position clearly, since he cannot negotiate with himself. The irony of this statement is that it would actually be in Britain’s best interests if he did just that. At least that way they’d have one representative on their side who grasps the scale of the task and is actually capable of securing a deal that will be fair to both sides. The Brits do not have a single negotiator of this stature in their ranks. And quite apart from the Brexit terms, both the debate and the referendum have proven to be toxic in ways that are now making themselves felt. British society is now more divided than at any time since the English civil war in the 17th century, a fact that was demonstrated anew in the general election, in which a good 80% of the votes were cast for the two largest parties. Neither of these parties was offering a centrist programme: the election was a choice between the hard right and the hard left. The political centre has been abandoned, and that is never a good sign. In a country like Great Britain, that for so long had a reputation for pragmatism and rationality, it is grounds for real concern. The situation is getting decidedly out of hand. After the loss of its empire, the United Kingdom sought a new place in the world. It finally found it, as a strong, awkward and influential part of a larger union: the EU. Now it has given up this place quite needlessly. The consequence, as is now becoming clear, is a veritable identity crisis from which it will take the country a very long time to recover. Very accurate and sadly so.."    | |||
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"" the test for all of us is whether we choose to reflect divisions or help the country overcome them. With humility and resolve, this government will seek to do the latter.” Has she finally seen the light? This is about the only thing she has said since taking office that has any element of credence. Of course she hasnt seen the light. It has no credibility because she's a PM desperately trying to cling to power without a clue as to what she's doing and a set of policies which neither add up financially nor make any sense socially. She might as well resign now. She can't even negotiate with 10 DUP MPs let alone 27 EU nations. The woman is utterly useless Couldn't agree more she is the laughing stock of the country Yet still managed to increase the percentage vote of the Conservatives, and won the biggest percentage vote of all the parties. If she's useless and the laughing stock, then what does that say about all the others? Exactly. When you look at the actual numbers (and not percentages) The conservatives got more votes in this election than Labour did for their Landslide victory in 1997. Percentages only tell half the story The last thing I want is a Corbyn led Labour government but Conservative supporters sticking their collective heads in the sand and trying to spin to themselves that what can only be called an electoral disaster is actually some kind of election victory is to effectively hand Corbyn the next election on a platter. The Conservative party, and it's supporters, need to take a long hard look at themselves and then ask themselves why, when they've done well in elections in the past, people in and around the centre of politics (the floating voters) have voted for them. I would ponder that it's not because of their social policies, nor because of there ambivalent attitude toward fox hunting and animal rights in general. I would suggest that the main reason why floating voters have voted Conservative in the past is because they trusted the Conservatives economic policies more than anyone else's. That being the case, why would these floating voters be willing to back the Conservatives whilst they are following an economic policy (BREXIT) that almost every single financial expert in the world says is going to seriously damage our economy. You may take the Gove approach to experts but the floating voter does not. As Clinton said to Bush Snr "It's the economy stupid" or as Kenneth Clark said "Good economics IS good politics" While the Conservatives continue to sacrifice their economic credibility on the alter of BREXIT they stand no chance of winning an election out right. And, as the economic consequences of BREXIT byte more and more, the economic credibility of the Conservatives will shrink even more. You keep mentioning BREXIT. The country voted on BREXIT and we decided to leave the EU. If anybody else could form a government surely they would have to do it on the basis we are leaving the EU. And I mean LEAVE...not one where we stay in this bit and keep that bit. I voted to leave and not have any part of it..!" Bully for you. I hope you're glad with the result of your vote to leave which is:- Going from the fastest growing economy in Europe to the slowest. Possible break up of the UK. Going from a strong and stable government, with a good working majority and able to tackle the real problems that Britain faces, to a weak unstable coalition of chaos that can't even negotiate with 10 MPs from N. Ireland never mind 27 other sovereign states. Increased the chances of a hard left Corbyn lead Labour government. And for what? I'm sorry but I'll continue to bring up BREXIT whether you like it or not. BREXIT is the cancer at the very heart of the Conservative's and the country's current demise. I'll continue to point this out and why until the cancer has been cut out from both. | |||
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"" the test for all of us is whether we choose to reflect divisions or help the country overcome them. With humility and resolve, this government will seek to do the latter.” Has she finally seen the light? This is about the only thing she has said since taking office that has any element of credence. Of course she hasnt seen the light. It has no credibility because she's a PM desperately trying to cling to power without a clue as to what she's doing and a set of policies which neither add up financially nor make any sense socially. She might as well resign now. She can't even negotiate with 10 DUP MPs let alone 27 EU nations. The woman is utterly useless Couldn't agree more she is the laughing stock of the country Yet still managed to increase the percentage vote of the Conservatives, and won the biggest percentage vote of all the parties. If she's useless and the laughing stock, then what does that say about all the others? Exactly. When you look at the actual numbers (and not percentages) The conservatives got more votes in this election than Labour did for their Landslide victory in 1997. Percentages only tell half the story The last thing I want is a Corbyn led Labour government but Conservative supporters sticking their collective heads in the sand and trying to spin to themselves that what can only be called an electoral disaster is actually some kind of election victory is to effectively hand Corbyn the next election on a platter. The Conservative party, and it's supporters, need to take a long hard look at themselves and then ask themselves why, when they've done well in elections in the past, people in and around the centre of politics (the floating voters) have voted for them. I would ponder that it's not because of their social policies, nor because of there ambivalent attitude toward fox hunting and animal rights in general. I would suggest that the main reason why floating voters have voted Conservative in the past is because they trusted the Conservatives economic policies more than anyone else's. That being the case, why would these floating voters be willing to back the Conservatives whilst they are following an economic policy (BREXIT) that almost every single financial expert in the world says is going to seriously damage our economy. You may take the Gove approach to experts but the floating voter does not. As Clinton said to Bush Snr "It's the economy stupid" or as Kenneth Clark said "Good economics IS good politics" While the Conservatives continue to sacrifice their economic credibility on the alter of BREXIT they stand no chance of winning an election out right. And, as the economic consequences of BREXIT byte more and more, the economic credibility of the Conservatives will shrink even more. You keep mentioning BREXIT. The country voted on BREXIT and we decided to leave the EU. If anybody else could form a government surely they would have to do it on the basis we are leaving the EU. And I mean LEAVE...not one where we stay in this bit and keep that bit. I voted to leave and not have any part of it..! Bully for you. I hope you're glad with the result of your vote to leave which is:- Going from the fastest growing economy in Europe to the slowest. Possible break up of the UK. Going from a strong and stable government, with a good working majority and able to tackle the real problems that Britain faces, to a weak unstable coalition of chaos that can't even negotiate with 10 MPs from N. Ireland never mind 27 other sovereign states. Increased the chances of a hard left Corbyn lead Labour government. And for what? I'm sorry but I'll continue to bring up BREXIT whether you like it or not. BREXIT is the cancer at the very heart of the Conservative's and the country's current demise. I'll continue to point this out and why until the cancer has been cut out from both." The cancer is the people who will not ACCEPT the result of the referendum. This is one of the reasons why we had the general election. The break up of the UK will happen if the Scotish people want it to happen. If we can't get a deal with the other 27 other countries tell them to piss off and walk away. | |||
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" The cancer is the people who will not ACCEPT the result of the referendum. This is one of the reasons why we had the general election. The break up of the UK will happen if the Scotish people want it to happen. If we can't get a deal with the other 27 other countries tell them to piss off and walk away. " The typical angry and uninformed comments of the Brexiter.... You cant walk away with no deal because you have no trade agreements with anyone. No quotas on goods and services. All those farmers in the UK? All the subsidies. Gone. All their exports. Gone. All those financial services companies that contribute tens of billions to the tax take. Gone. 70% of those cars that get manufactured in the UK and exported. Gone. All those jobs that go with them. Gone. The UK will be looking at 250,000 to 500,000 jobs gone in the next 5 years. Social payments sky rocketing. Tax take plummeting. Economy shrinking. And a recession that will make 2008 look mild. Homelessness increasing. Poverty increasing. Social problems increasing. Not to mention that no deal for EU citizens means tech workers, doctors, nurses and tens of thousands of key employees all gone. | |||
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"" the test for all of us is whether we choose to reflect divisions or help the country overcome them. With humility and resolve, this government will seek to do the latter.” Has she finally seen the light? This is about the only thing she has said since taking office that has any element of credence. Of course she hasnt seen the light. It has no credibility because she's a PM desperately trying to cling to power without a clue as to what she's doing and a set of policies which neither add up financially nor make any sense socially. She might as well resign now. She can't even negotiate with 10 DUP MPs let alone 27 EU nations. The woman is utterly useless Couldn't agree more she is the laughing stock of the country Yet still managed to increase the percentage vote of the Conservatives, and won the biggest percentage vote of all the parties. If she's useless and the laughing stock, then what does that say about all the others? Exactly. When you look at the actual numbers (and not percentages) The conservatives got more votes in this election than Labour did for their Landslide victory in 1997. Percentages only tell half the story The last thing I want is a Corbyn led Labour government but Conservative supporters sticking their collective heads in the sand and trying to spin to themselves that what can only be called an electoral disaster is actually some kind of election victory is to effectively hand Corbyn the next election on a platter. The Conservative party, and it's supporters, need to take a long hard look at themselves and then ask themselves why, when they've done well in elections in the past, people in and around the centre of politics (the floating voters) have voted for them. I would ponder that it's not because of their social policies, nor because of there ambivalent attitude toward fox hunting and animal rights in general. I would suggest that the main reason why floating voters have voted Conservative in the past is because they trusted the Conservatives economic policies more than anyone else's. That being the case, why would these floating voters be willing to back the Conservatives whilst they are following an economic policy (BREXIT) that almost every single financial expert in the world says is going to seriously damage our economy. You may take the Gove approach to experts but the floating voter does not. As Clinton said to Bush Snr "It's the economy stupid" or as Kenneth Clark said "Good economics IS good politics" While the Conservatives continue to sacrifice their economic credibility on the alter of BREXIT they stand no chance of winning an election out right. And, as the economic consequences of BREXIT byte more and more, the economic credibility of the Conservatives will shrink even more. You keep mentioning BREXIT. The country voted on BREXIT and we decided to leave the EU. If anybody else could form a government surely they would have to do it on the basis we are leaving the EU. And I mean LEAVE...not one where we stay in this bit and keep that bit. I voted to leave and not have any part of it..! Bully for you. I hope you're glad with the result of your vote to leave which is:- Going from the fastest growing economy in Europe to the slowest. Possible break up of the UK. Going from a strong and stable government, with a good working majority and able to tackle the real problems that Britain faces, to a weak unstable coalition of chaos that can't even negotiate with 10 MPs from N. Ireland never mind 27 other sovereign states. Increased the chances of a hard left Corbyn lead Labour government. And for what? I'm sorry but I'll continue to bring up BREXIT whether you like it or not. BREXIT is the cancer at the very heart of the Conservative's and the country's current demise. I'll continue to point this out and why until the cancer has been cut out from both. The cancer is the people who will not ACCEPT the result of the referendum. This is one of the reasons why we had the general election. The break up of the UK will happen if the Scotish people want it to happen. If we can't get a deal with the other 27 other countries tell them to piss off and walk away. " I'm sure that's all very reassuring to the pigheaded, BREXIT ideologues on the hard right of the Conservative party but it's not proved so appealing to the electorate in the General election. The economically suicidal 'no deal is better than a bad deal' negotiating strategy was clearly defeated. Hard BREXIT is already dead and, as the people discover more and more what the true price of BREXIT is in terms of jobs, inflation and possibly endless austerity, they'll turn more and more against it and the party most closely associated with it. Just as good economics is good politics, even more so bad economics is very bad politics. | |||
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"Personal insults again from the remain gang..! Project fear still going strong I see!" No one has insulted you personally, just your economically suicidal ideas about BREXIT. Don't be such a bloody snowflake ffs. | |||
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"Personal insults again from the remain gang..! Project fear still going strong I see!" He said ignoring all the valid criticisms of his argument that he lacked an answer to. So let me, politely, enquire: How are you going to trade with the rest of the world if you walk away from a deal? China says it will take 10 years to negotiate a deal with them. America took 3 years to implement a top up trade deal with Canada even though most of the work was done through previous trade deals and NAFTA, India and Peru took 6 years to agree terms on trade negotiations. The UK has to replace over 100 trade deals in 21 months, thats an average of 5 comprehensive trade deals a month. And when you negotiate those deals you have to replace your exports to the EU and the Brexiters have promised better terms than the EU got even though you're offering less (eu +uk obviously is a bigger market with more products and services than the UK alone). And you have to replace the jobs and businesses that will move to the EU as well. Its an awful lot to accomplish and Im curious as to HOW you see that happening. OR is there some issue with the underlying logic of that argument. Does the UK not need exports and the jobs that will leave? Or the tax revenue it all generates? | |||
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" John Lennon was once asked if he thought Ringo was the best drummer in the world. He famously replied 'Ringo's not even the best drummer in the Beatles'. Same applies to May. She's not even the best politician in the Tory party." she's not even the best politician in the may household | |||
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"Personal insults again from the remain gang..! Project fear still going strong I see! No one has insulted you personally, just your economically suicidal ideas about BREXIT. Don't be such a bloody snowflake ffs." You just can't help yourself can you. Lol | |||
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"Personal insults again from the remain gang..! Project fear still going strong I see! No one has insulted you personally, just your economically suicidal ideas about BREXIT. Don't be such a bloody snowflake ffs. You just can't help yourself can you. Lol" It's a gift.  | |||
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"Personal insults again from the remain gang..! Project fear still going strong I see! He said ignoring all the valid criticisms of his argument that he lacked an answer to. So let me, politely, enquire: How are you going to trade with the rest of the world if you walk away from a deal? China says it will take 10 years to negotiate a deal with them. America took 3 years to implement a top up trade deal with Canada even though most of the work was done through previous trade deals and NAFTA, India and Peru took 6 years to agree terms on trade negotiations. The UK has to replace over 100 trade deals in 21 months, thats an average of 5 comprehensive trade deals a month. And when you negotiate those deals you have to replace your exports to the EU and the Brexiters have promised better terms than the EU got even though you're offering less (eu +uk obviously is a bigger market with more products and services than the UK alone). And you have to replace the jobs and businesses that will move to the EU as well. Its an awful lot to accomplish and Im curious as to HOW you see that happening. OR is there some issue with the underlying logic of that argument. Does the UK not need exports and the jobs that will leave? Or the tax revenue it all generates?" Just curious as to why someone in South Dublin is so worried about what the UK is going to do? Is it because the Republic of Ireland are in the EU? | |||
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"Personal insults again from the remain gang..! Project fear still going strong I see! He said ignoring all the valid criticisms of his argument that he lacked an answer to. So let me, politely, enquire: How are you going to trade with the rest of the world if you walk away from a deal? China says it will take 10 years to negotiate a deal with them. America took 3 years to implement a top up trade deal with Canada even though most of the work was done through previous trade deals and NAFTA, India and Peru took 6 years to agree terms on trade negotiations. The UK has to replace over 100 trade deals in 21 months, thats an average of 5 comprehensive trade deals a month. And when you negotiate those deals you have to replace your exports to the EU and the Brexiters have promised better terms than the EU got even though you're offering less (eu +uk obviously is a bigger market with more products and services than the UK alone). And you have to replace the jobs and businesses that will move to the EU as well. Its an awful lot to accomplish and Im curious as to HOW you see that happening. OR is there some issue with the underlying logic of that argument. Does the UK not need exports and the jobs that will leave? Or the tax revenue it all generates? Just curious as to why someone in South Dublin is so worried about what the UK is going to do? Is it because the Republic of Ireland are in the EU?" Avoiding the question???? I like talking politics. Ive friends and family in the UK. And the resolution on Northern Ireland and what the trading terms will could effect Ireland. So since I answered your question, maybe you can answer mine?? | |||
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"Personal insults again from the remain gang..! Project fear still going strong I see! He said ignoring all the valid criticisms of his argument that he lacked an answer to. So let me, politely, enquire: How are you going to trade with the rest of the world if you walk away from a deal? China says it will take 10 years to negotiate a deal with them. America took 3 years to implement a top up trade deal with Canada even though most of the work was done through previous trade deals and NAFTA, India and Peru took 6 years to agree terms on trade negotiations. The UK has to replace over 100 trade deals in 21 months, thats an average of 5 comprehensive trade deals a month. And when you negotiate those deals you have to replace your exports to the EU and the Brexiters have promised better terms than the EU got even though you're offering less (eu +uk obviously is a bigger market with more products and services than the UK alone). And you have to replace the jobs and businesses that will move to the EU as well. Its an awful lot to accomplish and Im curious as to HOW you see that happening. OR is there some issue with the underlying logic of that argument. Does the UK not need exports and the jobs that will leave? Or the tax revenue it all generates? Just curious as to why someone in South Dublin is so worried about what the UK is going to do? Is it because the Republic of Ireland are in the EU? Avoiding the question???? I like talking politics. Ive friends and family in the UK. And the resolution on Northern Ireland and what the trading terms will could effect Ireland. So since I answered your question, maybe you can answer mine??" I guess you will have to wait and see what the UK government agrees on with the EU. | |||
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"Personal insults again from the remain gang..! Project fear still going strong I see! He said ignoring all the valid criticisms of his argument that he lacked an answer to. So let me, politely, enquire: How are you going to trade with the rest of the world if you walk away from a deal? China says it will take 10 years to negotiate a deal with them. America took 3 years to implement a top up trade deal with Canada even though most of the work was done through previous trade deals and NAFTA, India and Peru took 6 years to agree terms on trade negotiations. The UK has to replace over 100 trade deals in 21 months, thats an average of 5 comprehensive trade deals a month. And when you negotiate those deals you have to replace your exports to the EU and the Brexiters have promised better terms than the EU got even though you're offering less (eu +uk obviously is a bigger market with more products and services than the UK alone). And you have to replace the jobs and businesses that will move to the EU as well. Its an awful lot to accomplish and Im curious as to HOW you see that happening. OR is there some issue with the underlying logic of that argument. Does the UK not need exports and the jobs that will leave? Or the tax revenue it all generates? Just curious as to why someone in South Dublin is so worried about what the UK is going to do? Is it because the Republic of Ireland are in the EU? Avoiding the question???? I like talking politics. Ive friends and family in the UK. And the resolution on Northern Ireland and what the trading terms will could effect Ireland. So since I answered your question, maybe you can answer mine?? I guess you will have to wait and see what the UK government agrees on with the EU. " But you said it was possible to leave without agreement. All the evidence and facts Ive seen say it isnt unless economic meltdown is acceptable. So why do you think its possible to leave without a deal? Or do you believe a deal is necessary for the UK? | |||
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"Personal insults again from the remain gang..! Project fear still going strong I see! He said ignoring all the valid criticisms of his argument that he lacked an answer to. So let me, politely, enquire: How are you going to trade with the rest of the world if you walk away from a deal? China says it will take 10 years to negotiate a deal with them. America took 3 years to implement a top up trade deal with Canada even though most of the work was done through previous trade deals and NAFTA, India and Peru took 6 years to agree terms on trade negotiations. The UK has to replace over 100 trade deals in 21 months, thats an average of 5 comprehensive trade deals a month. And when you negotiate those deals you have to replace your exports to the EU and the Brexiters have promised better terms than the EU got even though you're offering less (eu +uk obviously is a bigger market with more products and services than the UK alone). And you have to replace the jobs and businesses that will move to the EU as well. Its an awful lot to accomplish and Im curious as to HOW you see that happening. OR is there some issue with the underlying logic of that argument. Does the UK not need exports and the jobs that will leave? Or the tax revenue it all generates? Just curious as to why someone in South Dublin is so worried about what the UK is going to do? Is it because the Republic of Ireland are in the EU? Avoiding the question???? I like talking politics. Ive friends and family in the UK. And the resolution on Northern Ireland and what the trading terms will could effect Ireland. So since I answered your question, maybe you can answer mine?? I guess you will have to wait and see what the UK government agrees on with the EU. But you said it was possible to leave without agreement. All the evidence and facts Ive seen say it isnt unless economic meltdown is acceptable. So why do you think its possible to leave without a deal? Or do you believe a deal is necessary for the UK?" Don't hold your breath waiting for a rational answer. Too many are happy for the UK to return to the stone age just to satisfy their weird desire to break away from Europe in the mistaken belief that Britain is still 'Great'. | |||
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"Personal insults again from the remain gang..! Project fear still going strong I see!" honest answer please, but who would sign any deals with us if we have told the EU to piss off and walked away? no one in their right mind would enter into any sort of arrangement with an individual who had done that with someone else so why would another nation be different.. | |||
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"Personal insults again from the remain gang..! Project fear still going strong I see!" I thought that the leave campaign was "Project Fear", after all, did they not have some poster showing a massive queue of brown people saying simething like "The hordes are coming for your women and your jobs!" | |||
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"" the test for all of us is whether we choose to reflect divisions or help the country overcome them. With humility and resolve, this government will seek to do the latter.” Has she finally seen the light? This is about the only thing she has said since taking office that has any element of credence. Of course she hasnt seen the light. It has no credibility because she's a PM desperately trying to cling to power without a clue as to what she's doing and a set of policies which neither add up financially nor make any sense socially. She might as well resign now. She can't even negotiate with 10 DUP MPs let alone 27 EU nations. The woman is utterly useless Couldn't agree more she is the laughing stock of the country Yet still managed to increase the percentage vote of the Conservatives, and won the biggest percentage vote of all the parties. If she's useless and the laughing stock, then what does that say about all the others?" so very true | |||
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"" the test for all of us is whether we choose to reflect divisions or help the country overcome them. With humility and resolve, this government will seek to do the latter.” Has she finally seen the light? This is about the only thing she has said since taking office that has any element of credence. Of course she hasnt seen the light. It has no credibility because she's a PM desperately trying to cling to power without a clue as to what she's doing and a set of policies which neither add up financially nor make any sense socially. She might as well resign now. She can't even negotiate with 10 DUP MPs let alone 27 EU nations. The woman is utterly useless Couldn't agree more she is the laughing stock of the country Yet still managed to increase the percentage vote of the Conservatives, and won the biggest percentage vote of all the parties. If she's useless and the laughing stock, then what does that say about all the others? Exactly. When you look at the actual numbers (and not percentages) The conservatives got more votes in this election than Labour did for their Landslide victory in 1997. Percentages only tell half the story The last thing I want is a Corbyn led Labour government but Conservative supporters sticking their collective heads in the sand and trying to spin to themselves that what can only be called an electoral disaster is actually some kind of election victory is to effectively hand Corbyn the next election on a platter. The Conservative party, and it's supporters, need to take a long hard look at themselves and then ask themselves why, when they've done well in elections in the past, people in and around the centre of politics (the floating voters) have voted for them. I would ponder that it's not because of their social policies, nor because of there ambivalent attitude toward fox hunting and animal rights in general. I would suggest that the main reason why floating voters have voted Conservative in the past is because they trusted the Conservatives economic policies more than anyone else's. That being the case, why would these floating voters be willing to back the Conservatives whilst they are following an economic policy (BREXIT) that almost every single financial expert in the world says is going to seriously damage our economy. You may take the Gove approach to experts but the floating voter does not. As Clinton said to Bush Snr "It's the economy stupid" or as Kenneth Clark said "Good economics IS good politics" While the Conservatives continue to sacrifice their economic credibility on the alter of BREXIT they stand no chance of winning an election out right. And, as the economic consequences of BREXIT byte more and more, the economic credibility of the Conservatives will shrink even more." Funny you bring up Kenneth Clarke (a former chancellor of the exchequer) but brexit had backing from 2 former Tory Chancellor's, Nigel Lawson and Norman Lamont. Former government economist Professor Patrick Minford also backed Brexit as did the former governor of the Bank of England Sir Mervyn King. I could go on with a long list of well respected economists and business leaders and politicians who back Brexit, so your claim that almost every single financial expert in the world thinks Brexit is a bad idea is just plain False and wrong. | |||
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"I know it's serious, and I shouldn't be laughing but...... It's the comments from a number of posters which say that May "lost votes" because she supported BREXIT. 1. She GAINED votes (but Labour gained more!) 2. She didn't support BREXIT .... but she accepted the result of the referendum. 3. Labours policy on BREXIT is almost identical. Leave the EU, the single market and the customs union (p29 of their manifesto). The reason May didn't make the gains she wanted was for ONE simple reason...... She is Theresa May! Emotionless, aloof, arrogant, cold and a total egotist..... exactly the properties you do not want in a leader." 
I agree but let her stay on as long as possible the longer she's stays the more damage she will do
She is a waste of space in fact leader of our country there all laughing at us
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"Anyone started panic buying tinned food yet?
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