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"It is lovely to watch Sinn Fein squirm though is it not.....There refusal to send an MP to Westminster is really paying off for them......Now they are what i call a terrorist loving...wait they are a terrorist organisations political wing, always have been as well "Well, we can certainly see which side of the religious divide you sit on. Good to see that sectarianism is alive and well on the west coast of Scotland. | |||
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"It is lovely to watch Sinn Fein squirm though is it not.....There refusal to send an MP to Westminster is really paying off for them......Now they are what i call a terrorist loving...wait they are a terrorist organisations political wing, always have been as well
Well, we can certainly see which side of the religious divide you sit on. Good to see that sectarianism is alive and well on the west coast of Scotland. "I'm no supporter of any form of sectarianism but it is a well documented fact that Sinn Fein ARE the political wing of the IRA. Gerry Adams was an IRA commander. The DUP were set up by the Presbyterian church and have expressed support for loyalist terror groups in the past....so I'm no supporter of that either. However (mostly) all sides have moved on and we are where we are. Let's hope things can move forward, rather than backwards. | |||
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"this arrangement with the conservatives and DUP is the bribe money coming out of tax payers pockets if not where's it coming from " Won't cost the taxpayer as much as the 48 Billion bribe Labour were willing to give though..... | |||
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"this arrangement with the conservatives and DUP is the bribe money coming out of tax payers pockets if not where's it coming from Won't cost the taxpayer as much as the 48 Billion bribe Labour were willing to give though....." Ummmm... by 'bribe' I presume you mean 'fund our public services'? I know, I know, it seems like such an alien concept in this country right now. -Matt | |||
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"this arrangement with the conservatives and DUP is the bribe money coming out of tax payers pockets if not where's it coming from Won't cost the taxpayer as much as the 48 Billion bribe Labour were willing to give though..... Ummmm... by 'bribe' I presume you mean 'fund our public services'? I know, I know, it seems like such an alien concept in this country right now. -Matt" Funding the public services is all well and good when it's actually costed in a realistic manner, Corbyn's imaginary money tree is just not realistic, all Corbyn would do is pile up the debt to mountainous levels for future generations to pay off. Admit it, his manifesto was a wish list to father Christmas.  | |||
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"this arrangement with the conservatives and DUP is the bribe money coming out of tax payers pockets if not where's it coming from Won't cost the taxpayer as much as the 48 Billion bribe Labour were willing to give though..... Ummmm... by 'bribe' I presume you mean 'fund our public services'? I know, I know, it seems like such an alien concept in this country right now. -Matt" No bribe as in, "we'll give everything to everyone, and it won't cost you a penny'. | |||
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"Teresa May would do a deal with ISIS to cling to power, she has a moral vacuum - much more important to her to cling desperately to any power, whatever the cost to northern Ireland peace or the taxpayer. I'm sure if the election was now she's toast " Gordon Brown and Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP in 2010 when there was a Hung parliament. Your double standards are plain to see. | |||
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"Teresa May would do a deal with ISIS to cling to power, she has a moral vacuum - much more important to her to cling desperately to any power, whatever the cost to northern Ireland peace or the taxpayer. I'm sure if the election was now she's toast Gordon Brown and Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP in 2010 when there was a Hung parliament. Your double standards are plain to see. " It's not double standards. Him and Tone were twats too! -Matt | |||
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"this arrangement with the conservatives and DUP is the bribe money coming out of tax payers pockets if not where's it coming from Won't cost the taxpayer as much as the 48 Billion bribe Labour were willing to give though....." Because properly funded police and fire service wouldn't be useful would it?  | |||
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"this arrangement with the conservatives and DUP is the bribe money coming out of tax payers pockets if not where's it coming from Won't cost the taxpayer as much as the 48 Billion bribe Labour were willing to give though..... Ummmm... by 'bribe' I presume you mean 'fund our public services'? I know, I know, it seems like such an alien concept in this country right now. -Matt No bribe as in, "we'll give everything to everyone, and it won't cost you a penny'. " What do you mean "wouldn't cost you a penny"? I would be immediately directly financially worse off under Labour. But I still voted for them as I want to see public services better funded. I want to see an attempt at reducing inequality in this country. And because in the long run I believe I *would* be financially better off as (for example) with a bit of luck those operations or medical services I'm likely to need when I'm older I'm not going to be paying through the nose to private healthcare firms for. -Matt -Matt | |||
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"Teresa May would do a deal with ISIS to cling to power, she has a moral vacuum - much more important to her to cling desperately to any power, whatever the cost to northern Ireland peace or the taxpayer. I'm sure if the election was now she's toast Gordon Brown and Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP in 2010 when there was a Hung parliament. Your double standards are plain to see. " What deal exactly did they try and make with the DUP? All I have been able to find is an extract from the letter: In the letter released by the DUP, Mr Brown writes: ''I am writing to confirm my continued commitment to the block grant for Northern Ireland for the current financial year and to confirm the financial settlement for the budget of the newly established Department of Justice. ''As I have made repeatedly clear to you and the Leaders of all the political parties in the Assembly, I continue to recognise the unique problems that arose as a direct consequence of the years of The Troubles. It is essential that the recently established political recovery is not put at risk. ''As you know, I believe it is an imperative to stabilise the economic recovery in Northern Ireland. It is very clear to me from my repeated visits and from meetings with you and the Deputy First Minister, we cannot take this recovery for granted. The work undertaken by all the Assembly parties to ensure political as well as economic stability remains equally vital. ''I want to see a growing and strong private sector in Northern Ireland. However, I recognise that the legacy of the past will make this more difficult to achieve in the coming months than we may expect in other parts of the United Kingdom. This is a challenge we must all meet. ''The achievements made by you and the political leaders of Northern Ireland have been an example to us all. I remain firmly committed to doing all I can to support this momentous progress and you can count on my continued support.’' http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/election-2010/7683450/General-Election-2010-DUP-now-being-courted-by-Labour.html So I can’t see any quid pro quo, or additional money promised, just a continuation of the fund agreed before the election. Other sources have suggested that the Clinton emails had a smoking gun, but I have looked through those and can’t find anything that outlines any form of deal. So what deal did they try to make? | |||
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"Teresa May would do a deal with ISIS to cling to power, she has a moral vacuum - much more important to her to cling desperately to any power, whatever the cost to northern Ireland peace or the taxpayer. I'm sure if the election was now she's toast Gordon Brown and Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP in 2010 when there was a Hung parliament. Your double standards are plain to see. What deal exactly did they try and make with the DUP? All I have been able to find is an extract from the letter: In the letter released by the DUP, Mr Brown writes: ''I am writing to confirm my continued commitment to the block grant for Northern Ireland for the current financial year and to confirm the financial settlement for the budget of the newly established Department of Justice. ''As I have made repeatedly clear to you and the Leaders of all the political parties in the Assembly, I continue to recognise the unique problems that arose as a direct consequence of the years of The Troubles. It is essential that the recently established political recovery is not put at risk. ''As you know, I believe it is an imperative to stabilise the economic recovery in Northern Ireland. It is very clear to me from my repeated visits and from meetings with you and the Deputy First Minister, we cannot take this recovery for granted. The work undertaken by all the Assembly parties to ensure political as well as economic stability remains equally vital. ''I want to see a growing and strong private sector in Northern Ireland. However, I recognise that the legacy of the past will make this more difficult to achieve in the coming months than we may expect in other parts of the United Kingdom. This is a challenge we must all meet. ''The achievements made by you and the political leaders of Northern Ireland have been an example to us all. I remain firmly committed to doing all I can to support this momentous progress and you can count on my continued support.’' http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/election-2010/7683450/General-Election-2010-DUP-now-being-courted-by-Labour.html So I can’t see any quid pro quo, or additional money promised, just a continuation of the fund agreed before the election. Other sources have suggested that the Clinton emails had a smoking gun, but I have looked through those and can’t find anything that outlines any form of deal. So what deal did they try to make?" What have you seen between the Tories and the DUP? | |||
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"Teresa May would do a deal with ISIS to cling to power, she has a moral vacuum - much more important to her to cling desperately to any power, whatever the cost to northern Ireland peace or the taxpayer. I'm sure if the election was now she's toast Gordon Brown and Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP in 2010 when there was a Hung parliament. Your double standards are plain to see. What deal exactly did they try and make with the DUP? All I have been able to find is an extract from the letter: In the letter released by the DUP, Mr Brown writes: ''I am writing to confirm my continued commitment to the block grant for Northern Ireland for the current financial year and to confirm the financial settlement for the budget of the newly established Department of Justice. ''As I have made repeatedly clear to you and the Leaders of all the political parties in the Assembly, I continue to recognise the unique problems that arose as a direct consequence of the years of The Troubles. It is essential that the recently established political recovery is not put at risk. ''As you know, I believe it is an imperative to stabilise the economic recovery in Northern Ireland. It is very clear to me from my repeated visits and from meetings with you and the Deputy First Minister, we cannot take this recovery for granted. The work undertaken by all the Assembly parties to ensure political as well as economic stability remains equally vital. ''I want to see a growing and strong private sector in Northern Ireland. However, I recognise that the legacy of the past will make this more difficult to achieve in the coming months than we may expect in other parts of the United Kingdom. This is a challenge we must all meet. ''The achievements made by you and the political leaders of Northern Ireland have been an example to us all. I remain firmly committed to doing all I can to support this momentous progress and you can count on my continued support.’' http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/election-2010/7683450/General-Election-2010-DUP-now-being-courted-by-Labour.html So I can’t see any quid pro quo, or additional money promised, just a continuation of the fund agreed before the election. Other sources have suggested that the Clinton emails had a smoking gun, but I have looked through those and can’t find anything that outlines any form of deal. So what deal did they try to make? What have you seen between the Tories and the DUP?" They are publicly holding formal talks. | |||
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"this arrangement with the conservatives and DUP is the bribe money coming out of tax payers pockets if not where's it coming from Won't cost the taxpayer as much as the 48 Billion bribe Labour were willing to give though..... Ummmm... by 'bribe' I presume you mean 'fund our public services'? I know, I know, it seems like such an alien concept in this country right now. -Matt" No the bribe is not in saying they'll 'fund out public services' the bribe is in telling the 'many' that only the 'few' will have to pay for it. | |||
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"Teresa May would do a deal with ISIS to cling to power, she has a moral vacuum - much more important to her to cling desperately to any power, whatever the cost to northern Ireland peace or the taxpayer. I'm sure if the election was now she's toast Gordon Brown and Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP in 2010 when there was a Hung parliament. Your double standards are plain to see. What deal exactly did they try and make with the DUP? All I have been able to find is an extract from the letter: In the letter released by the DUP, Mr Brown writes: ''I am writing to confirm my continued commitment to the block grant for Northern Ireland for the current financial year and to confirm the financial settlement for the budget of the newly established Department of Justice. ''As I have made repeatedly clear to you and the Leaders of all the political parties in the Assembly, I continue to recognise the unique problems that arose as a direct consequence of the years of The Troubles. It is essential that the recently established political recovery is not put at risk. ''As you know, I believe it is an imperative to stabilise the economic recovery in Northern Ireland. It is very clear to me from my repeated visits and from meetings with you and the Deputy First Minister, we cannot take this recovery for granted. The work undertaken by all the Assembly parties to ensure political as well as economic stability remains equally vital. ''I want to see a growing and strong private sector in Northern Ireland. However, I recognise that the legacy of the past will make this more difficult to achieve in the coming months than we may expect in other parts of the United Kingdom. This is a challenge we must all meet. ''The achievements made by you and the political leaders of Northern Ireland have been an example to us all. I remain firmly committed to doing all I can to support this momentous progress and you can count on my continued support.’' http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/election-2010/7683450/General-Election-2010-DUP-now-being-courted-by-Labour.html So I can’t see any quid pro quo, or additional money promised, just a continuation of the fund agreed before the election. Other sources have suggested that the Clinton emails had a smoking gun, but I have looked through those and can’t find anything that outlines any form of deal. So what deal did they try to make? What have you seen between the Tories and the DUP? They are publicly holding formal talks. " So nothing then? | |||
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"Teresa May would do a deal with ISIS to cling to power, she has a moral vacuum - much more important to her to cling desperately to any power, whatever the cost to northern Ireland peace or the taxpayer. I'm sure if the election was now she's toast Gordon Brown and Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP in 2010 when there was a Hung parliament. Your double standards are plain to see. What deal exactly did they try and make with the DUP? All I have been able to find is an extract from the letter: In the letter released by the DUP, Mr Brown writes: ''I am writing to confirm my continued commitment to the block grant for Northern Ireland for the current financial year and to confirm the financial settlement for the budget of the newly established Department of Justice. ''As I have made repeatedly clear to you and the Leaders of all the political parties in the Assembly, I continue to recognise the unique problems that arose as a direct consequence of the years of The Troubles. It is essential that the recently established political recovery is not put at risk. ''As you know, I believe it is an imperative to stabilise the economic recovery in Northern Ireland. It is very clear to me from my repeated visits and from meetings with you and the Deputy First Minister, we cannot take this recovery for granted. The work undertaken by all the Assembly parties to ensure political as well as economic stability remains equally vital. ''I want to see a growing and strong private sector in Northern Ireland. However, I recognise that the legacy of the past will make this more difficult to achieve in the coming months than we may expect in other parts of the United Kingdom. This is a challenge we must all meet. ''The achievements made by you and the political leaders of Northern Ireland have been an example to us all. I remain firmly committed to doing all I can to support this momentous progress and you can count on my continued support.’' http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/election-2010/7683450/General-Election-2010-DUP-now-being-courted-by-Labour.html So I can’t see any quid pro quo, or additional money promised, just a continuation of the fund agreed before the election. Other sources have suggested that the Clinton emails had a smoking gun, but I have looked through those and can’t find anything that outlines any form of deal. So what deal did they try to make? What have you seen between the Tories and the DUP? They are publicly holding formal talks. So nothing then? " So labour DIDN'T have formal talks, and the only letter about a deal isn't a deal at all, it just says they recognise the importance of the peace process and won't slash funding. Can you honestly not a difference there? | |||
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"Teresa May would do a deal with ISIS to cling to power, she has a moral vacuum - much more important to her to cling desperately to any power, whatever the cost to northern Ireland peace or the taxpayer. I'm sure if the election was now she's toast Gordon Brown and Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP in 2010 when there was a Hung parliament. Your double standards are plain to see. " I make mistakes but don't really have double standards, your remarkably weird slur speaks volumes. I've found Gordon Brown rather poor but May beats him on pretty much everything when rated for being self-interested and loathsome | |||
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"Teresa May would do a deal with ISIS to cling to power, she has a moral vacuum - much more important to her to cling desperately to any power, whatever the cost to northern Ireland peace or the taxpayer. I'm sure if the election was now she's toast Gordon Brown and Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP in 2010 when there was a Hung parliament. Your double standards are plain to see. What deal exactly did they try and make with the DUP? All I have been able to find is an extract from the letter: In the letter released by the DUP, Mr Brown writes: ''I am writing to confirm my continued commitment to the block grant for Northern Ireland for the current financial year and to confirm the financial settlement for the budget of the newly established Department of Justice. ''As I have made repeatedly clear to you and the Leaders of all the political parties in the Assembly, I continue to recognise the unique problems that arose as a direct consequence of the years of The Troubles. It is essential that the recently established political recovery is not put at risk. ''As you know, I believe it is an imperative to stabilise the economic recovery in Northern Ireland. It is very clear to me from my repeated visits and from meetings with you and the Deputy First Minister, we cannot take this recovery for granted. The work undertaken by all the Assembly parties to ensure political as well as economic stability remains equally vital. ''I want to see a growing and strong private sector in Northern Ireland. However, I recognise that the legacy of the past will make this more difficult to achieve in the coming months than we may expect in other parts of the United Kingdom. This is a challenge we must all meet. ''The achievements made by you and the political leaders of Northern Ireland have been an example to us all. I remain firmly committed to doing all I can to support this momentous progress and you can count on my continued support.’' http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/election-2010/7683450/General-Election-2010-DUP-now-being-courted-by-Labour.html So I can’t see any quid pro quo, or additional money promised, just a continuation of the fund agreed before the election. Other sources have suggested that the Clinton emails had a smoking gun, but I have looked through those and can’t find anything that outlines any form of deal. So what deal did they try to make? What have you seen between the Tories and the DUP? They are publicly holding formal talks. So nothing then? So labour DIDN'T have formal talks, and the only letter about a deal isn't a deal at all, it just says they recognise the importance of the peace process and won't slash funding. Can you honestly not a difference there? " So you haven't seen any details of a deal between the Tories and the DUP then? | |||
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"Teresa May would do a deal with ISIS to cling to power, she has a moral vacuum - much more important to her to cling desperately to any power, whatever the cost to northern Ireland peace or the taxpayer. I'm sure if the election was now she's toast Gordon Brown and Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP in 2010 when there was a Hung parliament. Your double standards are plain to see. What deal exactly did they try and make with the DUP? All I have been able to find is an extract from the letter: In the letter released by the DUP, Mr Brown writes: ''I am writing to confirm my continued commitment to the block grant for Northern Ireland for the current financial year and to confirm the financial settlement for the budget of the newly established Department of Justice. ''As I have made repeatedly clear to you and the Leaders of all the political parties in the Assembly, I continue to recognise the unique problems that arose as a direct consequence of the years of The Troubles. It is essential that the recently established political recovery is not put at risk. ''As you know, I believe it is an imperative to stabilise the economic recovery in Northern Ireland. It is very clear to me from my repeated visits and from meetings with you and the Deputy First Minister, we cannot take this recovery for granted. The work undertaken by all the Assembly parties to ensure political as well as economic stability remains equally vital. ''I want to see a growing and strong private sector in Northern Ireland. However, I recognise that the legacy of the past will make this more difficult to achieve in the coming months than we may expect in other parts of the United Kingdom. This is a challenge we must all meet. ''The achievements made by you and the political leaders of Northern Ireland have been an example to us all. I remain firmly committed to doing all I can to support this momentous progress and you can count on my continued support.’' http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/election-2010/7683450/General-Election-2010-DUP-now-being-courted-by-Labour.html So I can’t see any quid pro quo, or additional money promised, just a continuation of the fund agreed before the election. Other sources have suggested that the Clinton emails had a smoking gun, but I have looked through those and can’t find anything that outlines any form of deal. So what deal did they try to make? What have you seen between the Tories and the DUP? They are publicly holding formal talks. So nothing then? So labour DIDN'T have formal talks, and the only letter about a deal isn't a deal at all, it just says they recognise the importance of the peace process and won't slash funding. Can you honestly not a difference there? So you haven't seen any details of a deal between the Tories and the DUP then?" You don't believe they have been discussing a deal in these talks?  | |||
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"Teresa May would do a deal with ISIS to cling to power, she has a moral vacuum - much more important to her to cling desperately to any power, whatever the cost to northern Ireland peace or the taxpayer. I'm sure if the election was now she's toast Gordon Brown and Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP in 2010 when there was a Hung parliament. Your double standards are plain to see. What deal exactly did they try and make with the DUP? All I have been able to find is an extract from the letter: In the letter released by the DUP, Mr Brown writes: ''I am writing to confirm my continued commitment to the block grant for Northern Ireland for the current financial year and to confirm the financial settlement for the budget of the newly established Department of Justice. ''As I have made repeatedly clear to you and the Leaders of all the political parties in the Assembly, I continue to recognise the unique problems that arose as a direct consequence of the years of The Troubles. It is essential that the recently established political recovery is not put at risk. ''As you know, I believe it is an imperative to stabilise the economic recovery in Northern Ireland. It is very clear to me from my repeated visits and from meetings with you and the Deputy First Minister, we cannot take this recovery for granted. The work undertaken by all the Assembly parties to ensure political as well as economic stability remains equally vital. ''I want to see a growing and strong private sector in Northern Ireland. However, I recognise that the legacy of the past will make this more difficult to achieve in the coming months than we may expect in other parts of the United Kingdom. This is a challenge we must all meet. ''The achievements made by you and the political leaders of Northern Ireland have been an example to us all. I remain firmly committed to doing all I can to support this momentous progress and you can count on my continued support.’' http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/election-2010/7683450/General-Election-2010-DUP-now-being-courted-by-Labour.html So I can’t see any quid pro quo, or additional money promised, just a continuation of the fund agreed before the election. Other sources have suggested that the Clinton emails had a smoking gun, but I have looked through those and can’t find anything that outlines any form of deal. So what deal did they try to make? What have you seen between the Tories and the DUP? They are publicly holding formal talks. So nothing then? So labour DIDN'T have formal talks, and the only letter about a deal isn't a deal at all, it just says they recognise the importance of the peace process and won't slash funding. Can you honestly not a difference there? So you haven't seen any details of a deal between the Tories and the DUP then? You don't believe they have been discussing a deal in these talks? "Of course they have....but gave you seen any official details of what they have discussed? Have you seen any agreement? | |||
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"Teresa May would do a deal with ISIS to cling to power, she has a moral vacuum - much more important to her to cling desperately to any power, whatever the cost to northern Ireland peace or the taxpayer. I'm sure if the election was now she's toast Gordon Brown and Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP in 2010 when there was a Hung parliament. Your double standards are plain to see. What deal exactly did they try and make with the DUP? All I have been able to find is an extract from the letter: In the letter released by the DUP, Mr Brown writes: ''I am writing to confirm my continued commitment to the block grant for Northern Ireland for the current financial year and to confirm the financial settlement for the budget of the newly established Department of Justice. ''As I have made repeatedly clear to you and the Leaders of all the political parties in the Assembly, I continue to recognise the unique problems that arose as a direct consequence of the years of The Troubles. It is essential that the recently established political recovery is not put at risk. ''As you know, I believe it is an imperative to stabilise the economic recovery in Northern Ireland. It is very clear to me from my repeated visits and from meetings with you and the Deputy First Minister, we cannot take this recovery for granted. The work undertaken by all the Assembly parties to ensure political as well as economic stability remains equally vital. ''I want to see a growing and strong private sector in Northern Ireland. However, I recognise that the legacy of the past will make this more difficult to achieve in the coming months than we may expect in other parts of the United Kingdom. This is a challenge we must all meet. ''The achievements made by you and the political leaders of Northern Ireland have been an example to us all. I remain firmly committed to doing all I can to support this momentous progress and you can count on my continued support.’' http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/election-2010/7683450/General-Election-2010-DUP-now-being-courted-by-Labour.html So I can’t see any quid pro quo, or additional money promised, just a continuation of the fund agreed before the election. Other sources have suggested that the Clinton emails had a smoking gun, but I have looked through those and can’t find anything that outlines any form of deal. So what deal did they try to make? What have you seen between the Tories and the DUP? They are publicly holding formal talks. So nothing then? So labour DIDN'T have formal talks, and the only letter about a deal isn't a deal at all, it just says they recognise the importance of the peace process and won't slash funding. Can you honestly not a difference there? So you haven't seen any details of a deal between the Tories and the DUP then? You don't believe they have been discussing a deal in these talks?
Of course they have....but gave you seen any official details of what they have discussed? Have you seen any agreement? "Right, so the Tories are trying to do a deal with the DUP, and Labour never did that, they just said they would continue the funding arrangement previously agreed. | |||
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"Labour used the DUP votes in 2008 in order to get terrorism legislation through. Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP after the 2010 election, in order to try and keep power. It's also reported that Labour tried to do a deal during the 2015 election campaign, to try and get power back." Prove it. | |||
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"Labour used the DUP votes in 2008 in order to get terrorism legislation through. Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP after the 2010 election, in order to try and keep power. It's also reported that Labour tried to do a deal during the 2015 election campaign, to try and get power back. Prove it. " It was widely reported in the press at the time in 2010 that Gordon Brown had tried to do a deal for Labour with the DUP after the general election and there was a hung parliament. This is very easily checked on Google. | |||
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"Labour used the DUP votes in 2008 in order to get terrorism legislation through. Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP after the 2010 election, in order to try and keep power. It's also reported that Labour tried to do a deal during the 2015 election campaign, to try and get power back. Prove it. It was widely reported in the press at the time in 2010 that Gordon Brown had tried to do a deal for Labour with the DUP after the general election and there was a hung parliament. This is very easily checked on Google. " Actually it was very easily debunked in my earlier post. They only extract of the letter that I could find made no mention of a deal, just that Labour would continue with the same funding deal that they had agreed before the election. So if there was an offer of a deal, prove it. | |||
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"Labour used the DUP votes in 2008 in order to get terrorism legislation through. Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP after the 2010 election, in order to try and keep power. It's also reported that Labour tried to do a deal during the 2015 election campaign, to try and get power back. Prove it. It was widely reported in the press at the time in 2010 that Gordon Brown had tried to do a deal for Labour with the DUP after the general election and there was a hung parliament. This is very easily checked on Google. " Apparently Cameron did too. Google is my friend... | |||
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"Labour used the DUP votes in 2008 in order to get terrorism legislation through. Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP after the 2010 election, in order to try and keep power. It's also reported that Labour tried to do a deal during the 2015 election campaign, to try and get power back. Prove it. It was widely reported in the press at the time in 2010 that Gordon Brown had tried to do a deal for Labour with the DUP after the general election and there was a hung parliament. This is very easily checked on Google. Actually it was very easily debunked in my earlier post. They only extract of the letter that I could find made no mention of a deal, just that Labour would continue with the same funding deal that they had agreed before the election. So if there was an offer of a deal, prove it. " You think deals can only be done by letter in this day and age? Get real, It was the year 2010 then not 1810, lol. Press reports at the time say Gordon Brown had a number of lengthy and heated phone calls with the DUP, some suggest Brown was screaming down the phone that he needed this deal done quickly because he needed to go to see the Queen to tell her he was forming a government. Brown was begging the DUP for a deal but it all went tits up for him and the tories struck a deal with the Lib dems instead. The rest is history. | |||
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"Labour used the DUP votes in 2008 in order to get terrorism legislation through. Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP after the 2010 election, in order to try and keep power. It's also reported that Labour tried to do a deal during the 2015 election campaign, to try and get power back. Prove it. It was widely reported in the press at the time in 2010 that Gordon Brown had tried to do a deal for Labour with the DUP after the general election and there was a hung parliament. This is very easily checked on Google. Actually it was very easily debunked in my earlier post. They only extract of the letter that I could find made no mention of a deal, just that Labour would continue with the same funding deal that they had agreed before the election. So if there was an offer of a deal, prove it. You think deals can only be done by letter in this day and age? Get real, It was the year 2010 then not 1810, lol. Press reports at the time say Gordon Brown had a number of lengthy and heated phone calls with the DUP, some suggest Brown was screaming down the phone that he needed this deal done quickly because he needed to go to see the Queen to tell her he was forming a government. Brown was begging the DUP for a deal but it all went tits up for him and the tories struck a deal with the Lib dems instead. The rest is history. " Look at all the sources at the moment, they are talking about the letter and the clinton emails. You are now talking about phone calls. Its fantasy Centaur, not history. | |||
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"Labour used the DUP votes in 2008 in order to get terrorism legislation through. Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP after the 2010 election, in order to try and keep power. It's also reported that Labour tried to do a deal during the 2015 election campaign, to try and get power back. Prove it. " The fact that the DUP have said it themselves, gives much credence to this. They have consistently said that both Gordon Brown and Ed Milliband approached them during General Election periods, wanting their support. Either you accept that the DUP is a legitimate political party, or explain why they aren't? | |||
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"Labour used the DUP votes in 2008 in order to get terrorism legislation through. Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP after the 2010 election, in order to try and keep power. It's also reported that Labour tried to do a deal during the 2015 election campaign, to try and get power back. Prove it. The fact that the DUP have said it themselves, gives much credence to this. They have consistently said that both Gordon Brown and Ed Milliband approached them during General Election periods, wanting their support. Either you accept that the DUP is a legitimate political party, or explain why they aren't? " So show me the quote | |||
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"Labour used the DUP votes in 2008 in order to get terrorism legislation through. Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP after the 2010 election, in order to try and keep power. It's also reported that Labour tried to do a deal during the 2015 election campaign, to try and get power back. Prove it. The fact that the DUP have said it themselves, gives much credence to this. They have consistently said that both Gordon Brown and Ed Milliband approached them during General Election periods, wanting their support. Either you accept that the DUP is a legitimate political party, or explain why they aren't? So show me the quote " As you're apt to tell people yourself on very many occasions.... Try google. I have, and it's everywhere about Labour and DUP in 2010. It's really not hard to find. Surprised you can't find anything. | |||
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"Labour used the DUP votes in 2008 in order to get terrorism legislation through. Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP after the 2010 election, in order to try and keep power. It's also reported that Labour tried to do a deal during the 2015 election campaign, to try and get power back. Prove it. The fact that the DUP have said it themselves, gives much credence to this. They have consistently said that both Gordon Brown and Ed Milliband approached them during General Election periods, wanting their support. Either you accept that the DUP is a legitimate political party, or explain why they aren't? So show me the quote As you're apt to tell people yourself on very many occasions.... Try google. I have, and it's everywhere about Labour and DUP in 2010. It's really not hard to find. Surprised you can't find anything. " What's everywhere is the letter and the clinton emails. I have debunked both of those. So show me a direct quote from either labour or the DUP that says they tried to make a deal. I can't find one, can you? | |||
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"Labour used the DUP votes in 2008 in order to get terrorism legislation through. Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP after the 2010 election, in order to try and keep power. It's also reported that Labour tried to do a deal during the 2015 election campaign, to try and get power back. Prove it. The fact that the DUP have said it themselves, gives much credence to this. They have consistently said that both Gordon Brown and Ed Milliband approached them during General Election periods, wanting their support. Either you accept that the DUP is a legitimate political party, or explain why they aren't? So show me the quote As you're apt to tell people yourself on very many occasions.... Try google. I have, and it's everywhere about Labour and DUP in 2010. It's really not hard to find. Surprised you can't find anything. What's everywhere is the letter and the clinton emails. I have debunked both of those. So show me a direct quote from either labour or the DUP that says they tried to make a deal. I can't find one, can you? " So all the papers, all the journalists, all the reporters, all the politicians, that say Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP are wrong, and you are right? I think you've been out drinking two points on an empty head again. | |||
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"Labour used the DUP votes in 2008 in order to get terrorism legislation through. Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP after the 2010 election, in order to try and keep power. It's also reported that Labour tried to do a deal during the 2015 election campaign, to try and get power back. Prove it. The fact that the DUP have said it themselves, gives much credence to this. They have consistently said that both Gordon Brown and Ed Milliband approached them during General Election periods, wanting their support. Either you accept that the DUP is a legitimate political party, or explain why they aren't? So show me the quote As you're apt to tell people yourself on very many occasions.... Try google. I have, and it's everywhere about Labour and DUP in 2010. It's really not hard to find. Surprised you can't find anything. What's everywhere is the letter and the clinton emails. I have debunked both of those. So show me a direct quote from either labour or the DUP that says they tried to make a deal. I can't find one, can you? So all the papers, all the journalists, all the reporters, all the politicians, that say Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP are wrong, and you are right? I think you've been out drinking two points on an empty head again. " It's quite simple, just provide a direct quote from either party about the deal. | |||
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"Labour used the DUP votes in 2008 in order to get terrorism legislation through. Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP after the 2010 election, in order to try and keep power. It's also reported that Labour tried to do a deal during the 2015 election campaign, to try and get power back. Prove it. The fact that the DUP have said it themselves, gives much credence to this. They have consistently said that both Gordon Brown and Ed Milliband approached them during General Election periods, wanting their support. Either you accept that the DUP is a legitimate political party, or explain why they aren't? So show me the quote As you're apt to tell people yourself on very many occasions.... Try google. I have, and it's everywhere about Labour and DUP in 2010. It's really not hard to find. Surprised you can't find anything. What's everywhere is the letter and the clinton emails. I have debunked both of those. So show me a direct quote from either labour or the DUP that says they tried to make a deal. I can't find one, can you? So all the papers, all the journalists, all the reporters, all the politicians, that say Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP are wrong, and you are right? I think you've been out drinking two points on an empty head again. It's quite simple, just provide a direct quote from either party about the deal. " After you provide the details of the deal that you have seen between the Tories and the DUP...as I originally asked you and you have continued to evade..... Oh, no, that's right..you can't. | |||
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"Labour used the DUP votes in 2008 in order to get terrorism legislation through. Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP after the 2010 election, in order to try and keep power. It's also reported that Labour tried to do a deal during the 2015 election campaign, to try and get power back. Prove it. The fact that the DUP have said it themselves, gives much credence to this. They have consistently said that both Gordon Brown and Ed Milliband approached them during General Election periods, wanting their support. Either you accept that the DUP is a legitimate political party, or explain why they aren't? So show me the quote As you're apt to tell people yourself on very many occasions.... Try google. I have, and it's everywhere about Labour and DUP in 2010. It's really not hard to find. Surprised you can't find anything. What's everywhere is the letter and the clinton emails. I have debunked both of those. So show me a direct quote from either labour or the DUP that says they tried to make a deal. I can't find one, can you? So all the papers, all the journalists, all the reporters, all the politicians, that say Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP are wrong, and you are right? I think you've been out drinking two points on an empty head again. It's quite simple, just provide a direct quote from either party about the deal. " Do you want audio recordings of the phone calls Gordon Brown had with the DUP as well? | |||
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"Labour used the DUP votes in 2008 in order to get terrorism legislation through. Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP after the 2010 election, in order to try and keep power. It's also reported that Labour tried to do a deal during the 2015 election campaign, to try and get power back. Prove it. The fact that the DUP have said it themselves, gives much credence to this. They have consistently said that both Gordon Brown and Ed Milliband approached them during General Election periods, wanting their support. Either you accept that the DUP is a legitimate political party, or explain why they aren't? So show me the quote As you're apt to tell people yourself on very many occasions.... Try google. I have, and it's everywhere about Labour and DUP in 2010. It's really not hard to find. Surprised you can't find anything. What's everywhere is the letter and the clinton emails. I have debunked both of those. So show me a direct quote from either labour or the DUP that says they tried to make a deal. I can't find one, can you? So all the papers, all the journalists, all the reporters, all the politicians, that say Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP are wrong, and you are right? I think you've been out drinking two points on an empty head again. It's quite simple, just provide a direct quote from either party about the deal. Do you want audio recordings of the phone calls Gordon Brown had with the DUP as well? "I know you like to disagree with me on everything, but doesn't even a little bit of doubt start to creep in when you cant find a single quote to support your arguement? | |||
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"Labour used the DUP votes in 2008 in order to get terrorism legislation through. Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP after the 2010 election, in order to try and keep power. It's also reported that Labour tried to do a deal during the 2015 election campaign, to try and get power back. Prove it. The fact that the DUP have said it themselves, gives much credence to this. They have consistently said that both Gordon Brown and Ed Milliband approached them during General Election periods, wanting their support. Either you accept that the DUP is a legitimate political party, or explain why they aren't? So show me the quote As you're apt to tell people yourself on very many occasions.... Try google. I have, and it's everywhere about Labour and DUP in 2010. It's really not hard to find. Surprised you can't find anything. What's everywhere is the letter and the clinton emails. I have debunked both of those. So show me a direct quote from either labour or the DUP that says they tried to make a deal. I can't find one, can you? So all the papers, all the journalists, all the reporters, all the politicians, that say Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP are wrong, and you are right? I think you've been out drinking two points on an empty head again. It's quite simple, just provide a direct quote from either party about the deal. After you provide the details of the deal that you have seen between the Tories and the DUP...as I originally asked you and you have continued to evade..... Oh, no, that's right..you can't." I haven't seen the deal, but they are trying to make one aren't they? Or are you going to deny that? Can't you find even one single solitary quote to back up your assertions that Labour had negotiations about a deal? None? Not even one? No? | |||
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"Labour used the DUP votes in 2008 in order to get terrorism legislation through. Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP after the 2010 election, in order to try and keep power. It's also reported that Labour tried to do a deal during the 2015 election campaign, to try and get power back. Prove it. The fact that the DUP have said it themselves, gives much credence to this. They have consistently said that both Gordon Brown and Ed Milliband approached them during General Election periods, wanting their support. Either you accept that the DUP is a legitimate political party, or explain why they aren't? So show me the quote As you're apt to tell people yourself on very many occasions.... Try google. I have, and it's everywhere about Labour and DUP in 2010. It's really not hard to find. Surprised you can't find anything. What's everywhere is the letter and the clinton emails. I have debunked both of those. So show me a direct quote from either labour or the DUP that says they tried to make a deal. I can't find one, can you? So all the papers, all the journalists, all the reporters, all the politicians, that say Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP are wrong, and you are right? I think you've been out drinking two points on an empty head again. It's quite simple, just provide a direct quote from either party about the deal. After you provide the details of the deal that you have seen between the Tories and the DUP...as I originally asked you and you have continued to evade..... Oh, no, that's right..you can't. I haven't seen the deal, but they are trying to make one aren't they? Or are you going to deny that? Can't you find even one single solitary quote to back up your assertions that Labour had negotiations about a deal? None? Not even one? No? " Caroline Flint, who served under Gordon Brown, on her Twitter feed on 11 June "Gordon Brown tried doing a deal with DUP" | |||
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"11th May 2010 Guardian The Democratic Unionist party has no ideological objection to supporting a Labour-Liberal Democrat coalition, one of its MPs said today. Stormont minister and Lagan Valley MP Jeffrey Donaldson said contacts have been ongoing between Labour and the DUP since the weekend. Donaldson said the talks were at a "senior level" between the two parties since the election result." Could be a bit of egg on some people's faces if that works out. | |||
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"The government's negotiate skills are really showing through on this ConDUP deal. "The government have had a lot to deal with in the last week, with the Grenfell Tower tragedy and the terror attack on the mosque at Finsbury Park, the DUP deal may have temporarily taken a back seat while those other issues were being dealt with. | |||
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"The government's negotiate skills are really showing through on this ConDUP deal.
The government have had a lot to deal with in the last week, with the Grenfell Tower tragedy and the terror attack on the mosque at Finsbury Park, the DUP deal may have temporarily taken a back seat while those other issues were being dealt with. "And the Queen had to get to Ascot, don't forget that! Or the poor goat!
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"11th May 2010 Guardian The Democratic Unionist party has no ideological objection to supporting a Labour-Liberal Democrat coalition, one of its MPs said today. Stormont minister and Lagan Valley MP Jeffrey Donaldson said contacts have been ongoing between Labour and the DUP since the weekend. Donaldson said the talks were at a "senior level" between the two parties since the election result." The only direct quote there is "senior level" | |||
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"Labour used the DUP votes in 2008 in order to get terrorism legislation through. Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP after the 2010 election, in order to try and keep power. It's also reported that Labour tried to do a deal during the 2015 election campaign, to try and get power back. Prove it. The fact that the DUP have said it themselves, gives much credence to this. They have consistently said that both Gordon Brown and Ed Milliband approached them during General Election periods, wanting their support. Either you accept that the DUP is a legitimate political party, or explain why they aren't? So show me the quote As you're apt to tell people yourself on very many occasions.... Try google. I have, and it's everywhere about Labour and DUP in 2010. It's really not hard to find. Surprised you can't find anything. What's everywhere is the letter and the clinton emails. I have debunked both of those. So show me a direct quote from either labour or the DUP that says they tried to make a deal. I can't find one, can you? So all the papers, all the journalists, all the reporters, all the politicians, that say Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP are wrong, and you are right? I think you've been out drinking two points on an empty head again. It's quite simple, just provide a direct quote from either party about the deal. After you provide the details of the deal that you have seen between the Tories and the DUP...as I originally asked you and you have continued to evade..... Oh, no, that's right..you can't. I haven't seen the deal, but they are trying to make one aren't they? Or are you going to deny that? Can't you find even one single solitary quote to back up your assertions that Labour had negotiations about a deal? None? Not even one? No? Caroline Flint, who served under Gordon Brown, on her Twitter feed on 11 June "Gordon Brown tried doing a deal with DUP"" Well done, a single vague quote only 7 years after the fact by someone not directly involved | |||
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"The government's negotiate skills are really showing through on this ConDUP deal.
The government have had a lot to deal with in the last week, with the Grenfell Tower tragedy and the terror attack on the mosque at Finsbury Park, the DUP deal may have temporarily taken a back seat while those other issues were being dealt with. "Either that or they were asking for billions of pounds....
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"The government's negotiate skills are really showing through on this ConDUP deal.
The government have had a lot to deal with in the last week, with the Grenfell Tower tragedy and the terror attack on the mosque at Finsbury Park, the DUP deal may have temporarily taken a back seat while those other issues were being dealt with.
Either that or they were asking for billions of pounds....
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"Labour used the DUP votes in 2008 in order to get terrorism legislation through. Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP after the 2010 election, in order to try and keep power. It's also reported that Labour tried to do a deal during the 2015 election campaign, to try and get power back. Prove it. The fact that the DUP have said it themselves, gives much credence to this. They have consistently said that both Gordon Brown and Ed Milliband approached them during General Election periods, wanting their support. Either you accept that the DUP is a legitimate political party, or explain why they aren't? So show me the quote As you're apt to tell people yourself on very many occasions.... Try google. I have, and it's everywhere about Labour and DUP in 2010. It's really not hard to find. Surprised you can't find anything. What's everywhere is the letter and the clinton emails. I have debunked both of those. So show me a direct quote from either labour or the DUP that says they tried to make a deal. I can't find one, can you? So all the papers, all the journalists, all the reporters, all the politicians, that say Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP are wrong, and you are right? I think you've been out drinking two points on an empty head again. It's quite simple, just provide a direct quote from either party about the deal. After you provide the details of the deal that you have seen between the Tories and the DUP...as I originally asked you and you have continued to evade..... Oh, no, that's right..you can't. I haven't seen the deal, but they are trying to make one aren't they? Or are you going to deny that? Can't you find even one single solitary quote to back up your assertions that Labour had negotiations about a deal? None? Not even one? No? Caroline Flint, who served under Gordon Brown, on her Twitter feed on 11 June "Gordon Brown tried doing a deal with DUP" Well done, a single vague quote only 7 years after the fact by someone not directly involved "What's vague about "Gordon Brown tried doing a deal with the DUP"? Who was involved? Gordon Brown. What was he trying to do? A deal. With who? The DUP What us that? A quote? Who by? A Labour MP, who served under Gordon Brown About what? The attempt by Labour to form a government after the 2010 election. Yes you're right....totally vague. | |||
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"Labour used the DUP votes in 2008 in order to get terrorism legislation through. Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP after the 2010 election, in order to try and keep power. It's also reported that Labour tried to do a deal during the 2015 election campaign, to try and get power back. Prove it. The fact that the DUP have said it themselves, gives much credence to this. They have consistently said that both Gordon Brown and Ed Milliband approached them during General Election periods, wanting their support. Either you accept that the DUP is a legitimate political party, or explain why they aren't? So show me the quote As you're apt to tell people yourself on very many occasions.... Try google. I have, and it's everywhere about Labour and DUP in 2010. It's really not hard to find. Surprised you can't find anything. What's everywhere is the letter and the clinton emails. I have debunked both of those. So show me a direct quote from either labour or the DUP that says they tried to make a deal. I can't find one, can you? So all the papers, all the journalists, all the reporters, all the politicians, that say Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP are wrong, and you are right? I think you've been out drinking two points on an empty head again. It's quite simple, just provide a direct quote from either party about the deal. After you provide the details of the deal that you have seen between the Tories and the DUP...as I originally asked you and you have continued to evade..... Oh, no, that's right..you can't. I haven't seen the deal, but they are trying to make one aren't they? Or are you going to deny that? Can't you find even one single solitary quote to back up your assertions that Labour had negotiations about a deal? None? Not even one? No? Caroline Flint, who served under Gordon Brown, on her Twitter feed on 11 June "Gordon Brown tried doing a deal with DUP" Well done, a single vague quote only 7 years after the fact by someone not directly involved
What's vague about "Gordon Brown tried doing a deal with the DUP"?
Who was involved? Gordon Brown.
What was he trying to do? A deal.
With who? The DUP
What us that? A quote?
Who by? A Labour MP, who served under Gordon Brown
About what? The attempt by Labour to form a government after the 2010 election.
Yes you're right....totally vague.
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"Labour used the DUP votes in 2008 in order to get terrorism legislation through. Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP after the 2010 election, in order to try and keep power. It's also reported that Labour tried to do a deal during the 2015 election campaign, to try and get power back. Prove it. The fact that the DUP have said it themselves, gives much credence to this. They have consistently said that both Gordon Brown and Ed Milliband approached them during General Election periods, wanting their support. Either you accept that the DUP is a legitimate political party, or explain why they aren't? So show me the quote As you're apt to tell people yourself on very many occasions.... Try google. I have, and it's everywhere about Labour and DUP in 2010. It's really not hard to find. Surprised you can't find anything. What's everywhere is the letter and the clinton emails. I have debunked both of those. So show me a direct quote from either labour or the DUP that says they tried to make a deal. I can't find one, can you? So all the papers, all the journalists, all the reporters, all the politicians, that say Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP are wrong, and you are right? I think you've been out drinking two points on an empty head again. It's quite simple, just provide a direct quote from either party about the deal. After you provide the details of the deal that you have seen between the Tories and the DUP...as I originally asked you and you have continued to evade..... Oh, no, that's right..you can't. I haven't seen the deal, but they are trying to make one aren't they? Or are you going to deny that? Can't you find even one single solitary quote to back up your assertions that Labour had negotiations about a deal? None? Not even one? No? Caroline Flint, who served under Gordon Brown, on her Twitter feed on 11 June "Gordon Brown tried doing a deal with DUP" Well done, a single vague quote only 7 years after the fact by someone not directly involved
What's vague about "Gordon Brown tried doing a deal with the DUP"?
Who was involved? Gordon Brown.
What was he trying to do? A deal.
With who? The DUP
What us that? A quote?
Who by? A Labour MP, who served under Gordon Brown
About what? The attempt by Labour to form a government after the 2010 election.
Yes you're right....totally vague.
When he was PM? When he was Chancellor? After he was PM? Before he was Chancellor?
Was the deal about creating a government? Or about the peace process or about funding for NI?
Yeah, Crystal Clear!
"It was in response to an interview of Yvette Cooper, being asked about deals after the 2010 election and trying to form a government. Gordon Brown was still PM. She said Labour didn't try to do a deal.. Now, you're response the quote by the DUP? | |||
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"Labour used the DUP votes in 2008 in order to get terrorism legislation through. Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP after the 2010 election, in order to try and keep power. It's also reported that Labour tried to do a deal during the 2015 election campaign, to try and get power back. Prove it. The fact that the DUP have said it themselves, gives much credence to this. They have consistently said that both Gordon Brown and Ed Milliband approached them during General Election periods, wanting their support. Either you accept that the DUP is a legitimate political party, or explain why they aren't? So show me the quote As you're apt to tell people yourself on very many occasions.... Try google. I have, and it's everywhere about Labour and DUP in 2010. It's really not hard to find. Surprised you can't find anything. What's everywhere is the letter and the clinton emails. I have debunked both of those. So show me a direct quote from either labour or the DUP that says they tried to make a deal. I can't find one, can you? So all the papers, all the journalists, all the reporters, all the politicians, that say Labour tried to do a deal with the DUP are wrong, and you are right? I think you've been out drinking two points on an empty head again. It's quite simple, just provide a direct quote from either party about the deal. After you provide the details of the deal that you have seen between the Tories and the DUP...as I originally asked you and you have continued to evade..... Oh, no, that's right..you can't. I haven't seen the deal, but they are trying to make one aren't they? Or are you going to deny that? Can't you find even one single solitary quote to back up your assertions that Labour had negotiations about a deal? None? Not even one? No? Caroline Flint, who served under Gordon Brown, on her Twitter feed on 11 June "Gordon Brown tried doing a deal with DUP" Well done, a single vague quote only 7 years after the fact by someone not directly involved
What's vague about "Gordon Brown tried doing a deal with the DUP"?
Who was involved? Gordon Brown.
What was he trying to do? A deal.
With who? The DUP
What us that? A quote?
Who by? A Labour MP, who served under Gordon Brown
About what? The attempt by Labour to form a government after the 2010 election.
Yes you're right....totally vague.
When he was PM? When he was Chancellor? After he was PM? Before he was Chancellor?
Was the deal about creating a government? Or about the peace process or about funding for NI?
Yeah, Crystal Clear!
It was in response to an interview of Yvette Cooper, being asked about deals after the 2010 election and trying to form a government. Gordon Brown was still PM. She said Labour didn't try to do a deal..
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"Some bloke on the radio saying about why the DUP need the 1billion for infrastructure in NI because of all the damage of the 30 years of troubles that wrecked the county. Hang on who was it blowing things up again ? "Actually the rumours were 1 billion for the Northern Ireland NHS and 1 billion for infrastructure... The DUP are saying the figures quoted were wrong.. but the principle of it being extra Northern Ireland only money is correct I have it on fairly good authority that on the original wish list was an Northern Ireland exception for airline passenger duty.. but that would have caused a near riot in both Westminster and holyrood | |||
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"Some bloke on the radio saying about why the DUP need the 1billion for infrastructure in NI because of all the damage of the 30 years of troubles that wrecked the county. Hang on who was it blowing things up again ?
Actually the rumours were 1 billion for the Northern Ireland NHS and 1 billion for infrastructure...
The DUP are saying the figures quoted were wrong.. but the principle of it being extra Northern Ireland only money is correct
I have it on fairly good authority that on the original wish list was an Northern Ireland exception for airline passenger duty.. but that would have caused a near riot in both Westminster and holyrood "FFS a billion..  They can go fuck themselves. | |||
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"Some bloke on the radio saying about why the DUP need the 1billion for infrastructure in NI because of all the damage of the 30 years of troubles that wrecked the county. Hang on who was it blowing things up again ?
Actually the rumours were 1 billion for the Northern Ireland NHS and 1 billion for infrastructure...
The DUP are saying the figures quoted were wrong.. but the principle of it being extra Northern Ireland only money is correct
I have it on fairly good authority that on the original wish list was an Northern Ireland exception for airline passenger duty.. but that would have caused a near riot in both Westminster and holyrood FFS a billion.. They can go fuck themselves."The DUP are needed by the Tories. We're in a situation where the non Tories can vote against a Tory government and at the same time the DUP/Tory mps can vote down any other government. If the DUP supports neither option and refuses to back any legislation from either side then its chaos. | |||
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"Some bloke on the radio saying about why the DUP need the 1billion for infrastructure in NI because of all the damage of the 30 years of troubles that wrecked the county. Hang on who was it blowing things up again ?
Actually the rumours were 1 billion for the Northern Ireland NHS and 1 billion for infrastructure...
The DUP are saying the figures quoted were wrong.. but the principle of it being extra Northern Ireland only money is correct
I have it on fairly good authority that on the original wish list was an Northern Ireland exception for airline passenger duty.. but that would have caused a near riot in both Westminster and holyrood FFS a billion.. They can go fuck themselves.
The DUP are needed by the Tories. We're in a situation where the non Tories can vote against a Tory government and at the same time the DUP/Tory mps can vote down any other government. If the DUP supports neither option and refuses to back any legislation from either side then its chaos."Lets just suspend the whip, and just have private members bills. Free votes on everything | |||
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"It is lovely to watch Sinn Fein squirm though is it not.....There refusal to send an MP to Westminster is really paying off for them......Now they are what i call a terrorist loving...wait they are a terrorist organisations political wing, always have been as well "Possibly right,however they entered the election with the abstention policy and thats what their supporters gave them a mandate for. | |||
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"So now we know I billion is the cost to tax payers have they found a money tree too fund this bribe " They havent yet! its spread over the next 2 years. Think of taking out a mobile contract and then discovering that after 1 years you don't have the spare cash to keep making the payments. Sorry Sir/Madam but there is no way out of this contract
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"It is lovely to watch Sinn Fein squirm though is it not.....There refusal to send an MP to Westminster is really paying off for them......Now they are what i call a terrorist loving...wait they are a terrorist organisations political wing, always have been as well
Well, we can certainly see which side of the religious divide you sit on. Good to see that sectarianism is alive and well on the west coast of Scotland. "Hardly sectarian to call SF terrorist loving after all they do call themselves "the political wing of the IRA" and as recently as last month, Michelle O'Neil attended a commemoration event for the IRA members killed at Lough Gall in 1998. | |||
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"Just out of interest, are there any members of this site resident in NI and supporters of the DUP? It would be interesting to hear your point of view. Or is that just wishful thinking???" Yes. Me. My view is that NI as a whole is set to benefit. One sided political advantage has not been taken/given. Due to the 40 years of troubles NI has many areas where its infrastructure lags behind other areas of UK eg road transport and the cynical view would be that with a relatively small voter base it was unlikely to attract high levels of government investment. The DUP has managed to get that. I'm often critical of the DUP and some of their religion based views but I honestly can't see why people can really criticise this deal when they look at the whole package and not just at what they think it says. | |||
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"Some bloke on the radio saying about why the DUP need the 1billion for infrastructure in NI because of all the damage of the 30 years of troubles that wrecked the county. Hang on who was it blowing things up again ? "It was largely the IRA who did that. ie the terrorists supported by Jeremy Corbyn, funded by the US, political ideals backed by the Republic of Ireland and opposed by DUP. | |||
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"Just out of interest, are there any members of this site resident in NI and supporters of the DUP? It would be interesting to hear your point of view. Or is that just wishful thinking??? Yes. Me. My view is that NI as a whole is set to benefit. One sided political advantage has not been taken/given. Due to the 40 years of troubles NI has many areas where its infrastructure lags behind other areas of UK eg road transport and the cynical view would be that with a relatively small voter base it was unlikely to attract high levels of government investment. The DUP has managed to get that. I'm often critical of the DUP and some of their religion based views but I honestly can't see why people can really criticise this deal when they look at the whole package and not just at what they think it says. " I criticise it because it's using tax payer's money to prop up an unstable and unpopular government, for the sole benefit of a tiny part of the UK rather than fund public services throughout the country, and it puts supporters of terrorism with abhorrent views in a position of power. Can you understand that? | |||
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"Just out of interest, are there any members of this site resident in NI and supporters of the DUP? It would be interesting to hear your point of view. Or is that just wishful thinking??? Yes. Me. My view is that NI as a whole is set to benefit. One sided political advantage has not been taken/given. Due to the 40 years of troubles NI has many areas where its infrastructure lags behind other areas of UK eg road transport and the cynical view would be that with a relatively small voter base it was unlikely to attract high levels of government investment. The DUP has managed to get that. I'm often critical of the DUP and some of their religion based views but I honestly can't see why people can really criticise this deal when they look at the whole package and not just at what they think it says. I criticise it because it's using tax payer's money to prop up an unstable and unpopular government, for the sole benefit of a tiny part of the UK rather than fund public services throughout the country, and it puts supporters of terrorism with abhorrent views in a position of power. Can you understand that?" . I could understand it if it was all true. Firstly,the tories are the most popular party in UK. Secondly, the DUP do not support terrorism. Far from it. I don't understand where this commonly held view has come from. They are no more supporters of terrorism than the Liberal democrats are. | |||
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"So you are trying to claim there are no links between the DUP and the UDA? The Tories have slightly more of the vote share than Labour. 42% to 40.5%. Your point here is an irrelevance." Your right. I do claim there are NO links between the DUP and ANY terrorist organisations (including the uda). In fact at the last election, in the South Belfast constituency, the UDA said it's members should vote DUP who then said they didnt want their endorsement. | |||
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"So you are trying to claim there are no links between the DUP and the UDA? The Tories have slightly more of the vote share than Labour. 42% to 40.5%. Your point here is an irrelevance. Your right. I do claim there are NO links between the DUP and ANY terrorist organisations (including the uda). In fact at the last election, in the South Belfast constituency, the UDA said it's members should vote DUP who then said they didnt want their endorsement." Then your posts have no credibility, as you are making an intentional falsehood. The DUP are terrorist supporters. This is an unassailable fact. Their voters can pretend otherwise, but that's all it is - pretending. | |||
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"So you are trying to claim there are no links between the DUP and the UDA? The Tories have slightly more of the vote share than Labour. 42% to 40.5%. Your point here is an irrelevance. Your right. I do claim there are NO links between the DUP and ANY terrorist organisations (including the uda). In fact at the last election, in the South Belfast constituency, the UDA said it's members should vote DUP who then said they didnt want their endorsement. Then your posts have no credibility, as you are making an intentional falsehood. The DUP are terrorist supporters. This is an unassailable fact. Their voters can pretend otherwise, but that's all it is - pretending." Whereas sinn fein have no connection with the IRA whatsoever, so your point is | |||
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"So you are trying to claim there are no links between the DUP and the UDA? The Tories have slightly more of the vote share than Labour. 42% to 40.5%. Your point here is an irrelevance. Your right. I do claim there are NO links between the DUP and ANY terrorist organisations (including the uda). In fact at the last election, in the South Belfast constituency, the UDA said it's members should vote DUP who then said they didnt want their endorsement. Then your posts have no credibility, as you are making an intentional falsehood. The DUP are terrorist supporters. This is an unassailable fact. Their voters can pretend otherwise, but that's all it is - pretending." You say the DUP are terrorist supporters. Have you ANY evidence? They are vociferous in their condemnation of terrorism. I don't know where the idea has come from because they just don't! | |||
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"So you are trying to claim there are no links between the DUP and the UDA? The Tories have slightly more of the vote share than Labour. 42% to 40.5%. Your point here is an irrelevance. Your right. I do claim there are NO links between the DUP and ANY terrorist organisations (including the uda). In fact at the last election, in the South Belfast constituency, the UDA said it's members should vote DUP who then said they didnt want their endorsement. Then your posts have no credibility, as you are making an intentional falsehood. The DUP are terrorist supporters. This is an unassailable fact. Their voters can pretend otherwise, but that's all it is - pretending. Whereas sinn fein have no connection with the IRA whatsoever, so your point is " So you think that because Sinn Fein are connected with the IRA, the DUP are not connected with the UDA? Or are you just marking a pointless equivalence to try to help you feel better about the fact that the party you support are giving power in our government to the supporters of terrorism? I guess we all know the answer to that one, don't we? | |||
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"News today about more money that's been channeled to the DUP, with the help of the Cons, approx £500,000 . There's never any buying of power "https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/01/brexit-minister-linked-to-group-that-used-loophole-to-channel-435000-to-dup ... unionist politics has always been underpinned by corruption, dodgy deals and back-handers but it's an intereting read nevertheless | |||
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"So you are trying to claim there are no links between the DUP and the UDA? The Tories have slightly more of the vote share than Labour. 42% to 40.5%. Your point here is an irrelevance. Your right. I do claim there are NO links between the DUP and ANY terrorist organisations (including the uda). In fact at the last election, in the South Belfast constituency, the UDA said it's members should vote DUP who then said they didnt want their endorsement. Then your posts have no credibility, as you are making an intentional falsehood. The DUP are terrorist supporters. This is an unassailable fact. Their voters can pretend otherwise, but that's all it is - pretending. Whereas sinn fein have no connection with the IRA whatsoever, so your point is So you think that because Sinn Fein are connected with the IRA, the DUP are not connected with the UDA? Or are you just marking a pointless equivalence to try to help you feel better about the fact that the party you support are giving power in our government to the supporters of terrorism? I guess we all know the answer to that one, don't we?" Just because members of the dup may or may not have been connected to a group who had terrorist links doesnt not mean they now SUPPORT terrorism any more than sinn fein do, nelson mandela was a terrorist but decided that talking was better than killing, both sides in NI have nutters that want the killing to go on, but both sides have given ground to ensure peace, the world moves on shame your hate doesnt | |||
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"So you are trying to claim there are no links between the DUP and the UDA? The Tories have slightly more of the vote share than Labour. 42% to 40.5%. Your point here is an irrelevance. Your right. I do claim there are NO links between the DUP and ANY terrorist organisations (including the uda). In fact at the last election, in the South Belfast constituency, the UDA said it's members should vote DUP who then said they didnt want their endorsement. Then your posts have no credibility, as you are making an intentional falsehood. The DUP are terrorist supporters. This is an unassailable fact. Their voters can pretend otherwise, but that's all it is - pretending. Whereas sinn fein have no connection with the IRA whatsoever, so your point is So you think that because Sinn Fein are connected with the IRA, the DUP are not connected with the UDA? Or are you just marking a pointless equivalence to try to help you feel better about the fact that the party you support are giving power in our government to the supporters of terrorism? I guess we all know the answer to that one, don't we? Just because members of the dup may or may not have been connected to a group who had terrorist links doesnt not mean they now SUPPORT terrorism any more than sinn fein do, nelson mandela was a terrorist but decided that talking was better than killing, both sides in NI have nutters that want the killing to go on, but both sides have given ground to ensure peace, the world moves on shame your hate doesnt " .. | |||
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"News today about more money that's been channeled to the DUP, with the help of the Cons, approx £500,000 . There's never any buying of power
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/01/brexit-minister-linked-to-group-that-used-loophole-to-channel-435000-to-dup
... unionist politics has always been underpinned by corruption, dodgy deals and back-handers but it's an intereting read nevertheless"As you say, an interesting read. At the time of the Brexit campaign I didn't understand why the DUP took out the ad in the (London) Metro. I suspect this was because the funders couldnt get a GB party to do so! I hadnt realize that only £10k of the money was spent in NI. Thank you for drawing attention to that. | |||
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"glad that's cleared up ... now we can get back to the topic in the op, about the high level of institutionalised corruption and bribery that is endemic in the conservative and other unionist parties " Whereas the labour party are never caught up in dodgy dealings, remember mandelson and also cherie blairs flat deals, just two off the top of my head , oh such a short memory some have. unfortunately power tends to make people greedy money wise or is it greedy people become power crazed to make money, a bit like the union leaders that hate the bosses but love the perks of being one themselves | |||
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"glad that's cleared up ... now we can get back to the topic in the op, about the high level of institutionalised corruption and bribery that is endemic in the conservative and other unionist parties Whereas the labour party are never caught up in dodgy dealings, remember mandelson and also cherie blairs flat deals, just two off the top of my head , oh such a short memory some have. unfortunately power tends to make people greedy money wise or is it greedy people become power crazed to make money, a bit like the union leaders that hate the bosses but love the perks of being one themselves " so you're answer is two wrongs make a right ... weak | |||
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"glad that's cleared up ... now we can get back to the topic in the op, about the high level of institutionalised corruption and bribery that is endemic in the conservative and other unionist parties " And my first point was relating to the Ops topic and stating that I thought the money for NI was justified rather than an out and out bribe. I do accept that it wouldn't have been promised without the DUP being able to put the case! | |||
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"glad that's cleared up ... now we can get back to the topic in the op, about the high level of institutionalised corruption and bribery that is endemic in the conservative and other unionist parties Whereas the labour party are never caught up in dodgy dealings, remember mandelson and also cherie blairs flat deals, just two off the top of my head , oh such a short memory some have. unfortunately power tends to make people greedy money wise or is it greedy people become power crazed to make money, a bit like the union leaders that hate the bosses but love the perks of being one themselves so you're answer is two wrongs make a right ... weak" Try reading a post properly, I said power makes people greedy thats not saying it makes it right its just stating a fact,plenty on all sides of the political divide feather their own nest, you are just blinded by hate of anything thats to the right of your political thinking to see the lefts faults, now thats weak | |||
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"No Tory supporter has ever been able to justify their own party's policies. 'Buh-buh-but Labour!' is as much as they can ever come up with. Which tells you everything you need to know." Your blindness to facts tells us all we need to know about you, are you saying that the two events I mentioned didnt take place, I can and do condem all dodgy dealings you only do so for those you hate, anything the left do is beyond reproach | |||
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"glad that's cleared up ... now we can get back to the topic in the op, about the high level of institutionalised corruption and bribery that is endemic in the conservative and other unionist parties Whereas the labour party are never caught up in dodgy dealings, remember mandelson and also cherie blairs flat deals, just two off the top of my head , oh such a short memory some have. unfortunately power tends to make people greedy money wise or is it greedy people become power crazed to make money, a bit like the union leaders that hate the bosses but love the perks of being one themselves so you're answer is two wrongs make a right ... weak Try reading a post properly, I said power makes people greedy thats not saying it makes it right its just stating a fact,plenty on all sides of the political divide feather their own nest, you are just blinded by hate of anything thats to the right of your political thinking to see the lefts faults, now thats weak " infantile post | |||
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"glad that's cleared up ... now we can get back to the topic in the op, about the high level of institutionalised corruption and bribery that is endemic in the conservative and other unionist parties Whereas the labour party are never caught up in dodgy dealings, remember mandelson and also cherie blairs flat deals, just two off the top of my head , oh such a short memory some have. unfortunately power tends to make people greedy money wise or is it greedy people become power crazed to make money, a bit like the union leaders that hate the bosses but love the perks of being one themselves so you're answer is two wrongs make a right ... weak Try reading a post properly, I said power makes people greedy thats not saying it makes it right its just stating a fact,plenty on all sides of the political divide feather their own nest, you are just blinded by hate of anything thats to the right of your political thinking to see the lefts faults, now thats weak infantile post "Pathetic excuse when you dont have an answer, you seem to be able to dish it out but cant hold a decent arguement | |||
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"now we can get back to the topic in the op, about the high level of institutionalised corruption and bribery that is endemic in the conservative and other unionist parties" The tories represent selfish attitudes and greed, and a lack of compassion or empathy. The latest being treating the emergency services badly while using the same taxpayers money to buy power. Just the latest example. Im not suprised there's the phenomenon of "closet tories" secretly voting tory as they are embarrassed to admit they are greedy, selfish and don't give a shit about others. | |||
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"now we can get back to the topic in the op, about the high level of institutionalised corruption and bribery that is endemic in the conservative and other unionist parties The tories represent selfish attitudes and greed, and a lack of compassion or empathy. The latest being treating the emergency services badly while using the same taxpayers money to buy power. Just the latest example. Im not suprised there's the phenomenon of "closet tories" secretly voting tory as they are embarrassed to admit they are greedy, selfish and don't give a shit about others. " The Tories are all about helping themselves and others. Labour are all about taking from others | |||
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"now we can get back to the topic in the op, about the high level of institutionalised corruption and bribery that is endemic in the conservative and other unionist parties The tories represent selfish attitudes and greed, and a lack of compassion or empathy. The latest being treating the emergency services badly while using the same taxpayers money to buy power. Just the latest example. Im not suprised there's the phenomenon of "closet tories" secretly voting tory as they are embarrassed to admit they are greedy, selfish and don't give a shit about others. The Tories are all about helping themselves and others. Labour are all about taking from others" The Tories are all about helping themselves anyway, the only others are their elite friends. Thats why they take food from hungry children, cut the real wages of emergency service workers and insist theres no money until theres a tax cut for the rich or a billion needed to keep themselves in power. | |||
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"now we can get back to the topic in the op, about the high level of institutionalised corruption and bribery that is endemic in the conservative and other unionist parties The tories represent selfish attitudes and greed, and a lack of compassion or empathy. The latest being treating the emergency services badly while using the same taxpayers money to buy power. Just the latest example. Im not suprised there's the phenomenon of "closet tories" secretly voting tory as they are embarrassed to admit they are greedy, selfish and don't give a shit about others. The Tories are all about helping themselves and others. Labour are all about taking from others The Tories are all about helping themselves anyway, the only others are their elite friends. Thats why they take food from hungry children, cut the real wages of emergency service workers and insist theres no money until theres a tax cut for the rich or a billion needed to keep themselves in power." Well there must be a lot of very rich people in the UK then considering they are the most popular party and have been for most of the last 100 years. Care to explain that? | |||
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" Well there must be a lot of very rich people in the UK then considering they are the most popular party and have been for most of the last 100 years. Care to explain that?" People vote against their interests all the time. Look at you for example, every week since the referendum its been pointed out to you all the drawbacks of Brexit and why its failing, yet you stubbornly refuse to acknowledge them. And yet you claim that you voted for Brexit to give a better future to your kid. Even when your economy is tanking and is hovering above recession you refuse to accept the effect Brexit has had by ignoring the facts. And your avoidance of reality, refusal to accept facts and stubborness are the exact things that lead a person to vote Tory even though they have nothing to gain because you wont accept the possibility youre wrong and wont form an opinion based on reason and fact. | |||
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" Well there must be a lot of very rich people in the UK then considering they are the most popular party and have been for most of the last 100 years. Care to explain that? People vote against their interests all the time. Look at you for example, every week since the referendum its been pointed out to you all the drawbacks of Brexit and why its failing, yet you stubbornly refuse to acknowledge them. And yet you claim that you voted for Brexit to give a better future to your kid. Even when your economy is tanking and is hovering above recession you refuse to accept the effect Brexit has had by ignoring the facts. And your avoidance of reality, refusal to accept facts and stubborness are the exact things that lead a person to vote Tory even though they have nothing to gain because you wont accept the possibility youre wrong and wont form an opinion based on reason and fact." Maybe they have looked at all the positives of voting for Brexit (and the tories) and when weighed up against voting Remain (and Labour) they feel the positives outweigh the negative drewbacks on both points. You on the opposite side refuse to acknowledge the positives of Brexit, your stubborness won't let you see the drawbacks of Remain and you avoid reality, refuse to accept facts when pointed out to you, because you won't accept the possibility you're wrong and won't form an opinion based on fact or reason. | |||
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"now we can get back to the topic in the op, about the high level of institutionalised corruption and bribery that is endemic in the conservative and other unionist parties The tories represent selfish attitudes and greed, and a lack of compassion or empathy. The latest being treating the emergency services badly while using the same taxpayers money to buy power. Just the latest example. Im not suprised there's the phenomenon of "closet tories" secretly voting tory as they are embarrassed to admit they are greedy, selfish and don't give a shit about others. The Tories are all about helping themselves and others. Labour are all about taking from others The Tories are all about helping themselves anyway, the only others are their elite friends. Thats why they take food from hungry children, cut the real wages of emergency service workers and insist theres no money until theres a tax cut for the rich or a billion needed to keep themselves in power. Well there must be a lot of very rich people in the UK then considering they are the most popular party and have been for most of the last 100 years. Care to explain that?" When you look at a break down of how people voted at the general election and the different demographics, the tories got the bulk of the working class vote. Labour are no longer the party of the working class. The tories also get most of the older vote because as we all know older people have more life experience and are wiser in the choices and decisions they make. Same can be said for Brexit it was mainly the working class and the older voter's who votes for it. | |||
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"now we can get back to the topic in the op, about the high level of institutionalised corruption and bribery that is endemic in the conservative and other unionist parties The tories represent selfish attitudes and greed, and a lack of compassion or empathy. The latest being treating the emergency services badly while using the same taxpayers money to buy power. Just the latest example. Im not suprised there's the phenomenon of "closet tories" secretly voting tory as they are embarrassed to admit they are greedy, selfish and don't give a shit about others. The Tories are all about helping themselves and others. Labour are all about taking from others The Tories are all about helping themselves anyway, the only others are their elite friends. Thats why they take food from hungry children, cut the real wages of emergency service workers and insist theres no money until theres a tax cut for the rich or a billion needed to keep themselves in power." They weren't taking food from hungry children though, this is the 2nd time I've seen you try to push this lie on different threads on here. School lunches were going to be swapped for free breakfast, that is not taking food away that is swapping one meal for another. Emergency workers have not had a pay cut, they have had a 1% increase its called a pay cap not a pay cut. | |||
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"now we can get back to the topic in the op, about the high level of institutionalised corruption and bribery that is endemic in the conservative and other unionist parties The tories represent selfish attitudes and greed, and a lack of compassion or empathy. The latest being treating the emergency services badly while using the same taxpayers money to buy power. Just the latest example. Im not suprised there's the phenomenon of "closet tories" secretly voting tory as they are embarrassed to admit they are greedy, selfish and don't give a shit about others. The Tories are all about helping themselves and others. Labour are all about taking from others The Tories are all about helping themselves anyway, the only others are their elite friends. Thats why they take food from hungry children, cut the real wages of emergency service workers and insist theres no money until theres a tax cut for the rich or a billion needed to keep themselves in power. They weren't taking food from hungry children though, this is the 2nd time I've seen you try to push this lie on different threads on here. School lunches were going to be swapped for free breakfast, that is not taking food away that is swapping one meal for another. Emergency workers have not had a pay cut, they have had a 1% increase its called a pay cap not a pay cut. "Even you mates Boris and Gove think the pay cap is nasty, yet you still seem to think it's a good thing. May labelled the Tories as the Nasty Party for a very good reason. | |||
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"now we can get back to the topic in the op, about the high level of institutionalised corruption and bribery that is endemic in the conservative and other unionist parties The tories represent selfish attitudes and greed, and a lack of compassion or empathy. The latest being treating the emergency services badly while using the same taxpayers money to buy power. Just the latest example. Im not suprised there's the phenomenon of "closet tories" secretly voting tory as they are embarrassed to admit they are greedy, selfish and don't give a shit about others. The Tories are all about helping themselves and others. Labour are all about taking from others The Tories are all about helping themselves anyway, the only others are their elite friends. Thats why they take food from hungry children, cut the real wages of emergency service workers and insist theres no money until theres a tax cut for the rich or a billion needed to keep themselves in power. They weren't taking food from hungry children though, this is the 2nd time I've seen you try to push this lie on different threads on here. School lunches were going to be swapped for free breakfast, that is not taking food away that is swapping one meal for another. Emergency workers have not had a pay cut, they have had a 1% increase its called a pay cap not a pay cut. "Whilst what you say is true it's also pretty disingenuous because it hides the real truth. The government has budgeted to pay about £3.00 per meal for the free lunches where as it was only going to budget £0.07 pet meal for the breakfasts. And that's not a misprint or typing error, I do actually mean 7p. | |||
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" Well there must be a lot of very rich people in the UK then considering they are the most popular party and have been for most of the last 100 years. Care to explain that? People vote against their interests all the time. Look at you for example, every week since the referendum its been pointed out to you all the drawbacks of Brexit and why its failing, yet you stubbornly refuse to acknowledge them. And yet you claim that you voted for Brexit to give a better future to your kid. Even when your economy is tanking and is hovering above recession you refuse to accept the effect Brexit has had by ignoring the facts. And your avoidance of reality, refusal to accept facts and stubborness are the exact things that lead a person to vote Tory even though they have nothing to gain because you wont accept the possibility youre wrong and wont form an opinion based on reason and fact. Maybe they have looked at all the positives of voting for Brexit (and the tories) and when weighed up against voting Remain (and Labour) they feel the positives outweigh the negative drewbacks on both points. You on the opposite side refuse to acknowledge the positives of Brexit, your stubborness won't let you see the drawbacks of Remain and you avoid reality, refuse to accept facts when pointed out to you, because you won't accept the possibility you're wrong and won't form an opinion based on fact or reason. " What positives? You could already control immigration but didnt. Losing the existing deals the EU has with the rest of the world will decrease your trade by over 20% and by making your own you'll only claw back 5%. You'll lose all MRAs and make trade more costly and delivery times longer. At best British companies will still be subject to an EU/UK court, at worst the ECJ. Inflation is rising, growth is down to 0.2% so you're at a tipping point for recession. Jobs are leaving by the thousands. Tax take is going to be down once companies leave all or part of their operations for europe. 1 in 3 manufacturers are looking to move all or part of their operations to the EU. Real wage value is down. Cost of living is higher. Consumer confidence is down. Consumer spending is down. The NHS and British business could lose tens of thousands of vital workers if theres no deal. But you ignore all these things just like you ignore the realities of Brexit negotiations where the Tories are playing a losing hand. Now the Tories are abandoning hopes of "having their cake and eating it" like Boris promised. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/02/british-officials-drop-cake-and-eat-it-approach-to-brexit-negotiations Once more the Tories lose in negotiations and the EU position is the reality. Tories lost on pre empting talks with citizen rights, lost on the "battle of the summer" on sequencing, have finally accepted a court superior to British courts and thats not to mention being taken to the cleaners by the DUP. | |||
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"now we can get back to the topic in the op, about the high level of institutionalised corruption and bribery that is endemic in the conservative and other unionist parties The tories represent selfish attitudes and greed, and a lack of compassion or empathy. The latest being treating the emergency services badly while using the same taxpayers money to buy power. Just the latest example. Im not suprised there's the phenomenon of "closet tories" secretly voting tory as they are embarrassed to admit they are greedy, selfish and don't give a shit about others. The Tories are all about helping themselves and others. Labour are all about taking from others The Tories are all about helping themselves anyway, the only others are their elite friends. Thats why they take food from hungry children, cut the real wages of emergency service workers and insist theres no money until theres a tax cut for the rich or a billion needed to keep themselves in power. They weren't taking food from hungry children though, this is the 2nd time I've seen you try to push this lie on different threads on here. School lunches were going to be swapped for free breakfast, that is not taking food away that is swapping one meal for another. Emergency workers have not had a pay cut, they have had a 1% increase its called a pay cap not a pay cut. "I said *real wages* of emergency workers. Their "increase" is below inflation so their pay is less than it was last year even though the number went up. And yes they were taking away nutritious lunches and trying to provide cheap breakfasts at 7p each. The problem for the students who need these meals is mal nutrition. Giving them a box of sugary cereal isnt going to solve that problem. | |||
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"now we can get back to the topic in the op, about the high level of institutionalised corruption and bribery that is endemic in the conservative and other unionist parties The tories represent selfish attitudes and greed, and a lack of compassion or empathy. The latest being treating the emergency services badly while using the same taxpayers money to buy power. Just the latest example. Im not suprised there's the phenomenon of "closet tories" secretly voting tory as they are embarrassed to admit they are greedy, selfish and don't give a shit about others. The Tories are all about helping themselves and others. Labour are all about taking from others The Tories are all about helping themselves anyway, the only others are their elite friends. Thats why they take food from hungry children, cut the real wages of emergency service workers and insist theres no money until theres a tax cut for the rich or a billion needed to keep themselves in power. They weren't taking food from hungry children though, this is the 2nd time I've seen you try to push this lie on different threads on here. School lunches were going to be swapped for free breakfast, that is not taking food away that is swapping one meal for another. Emergency workers have not had a pay cut, they have had a 1% increase its called a pay cap not a pay cut. "Oh wow, the 7pence each breakfasts. 1% on 20 odd k in the face of bigger fuel bills food prices and increasing transport costs. While the MPs get 1.4% increase on a 70 odd grand a year salary.. Double standards. | |||
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"I honestly feel sorry for Centaur in these threads. Has he ever come up with what he thought was an example supporting his arguments that didn't leave him with egg all over his face? Delicious egg! You could probably get a whole one for 7p if you didn't mind it coming from a battery hen that had never seen sunlight in its life...and that miserable egg would be a fair swap for a decent lunch in Centaurland, wouldn't it! "What use is a school lunch to a kid who's gone all morning with no breakfast? Which is the most important meal? | |||
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"I honestly feel sorry for Centaur in these threads. Has he ever come up with what he thought was an example supporting his arguments that didn't leave him with egg all over his face? Delicious egg! You could probably get a whole one for 7p if you didn't mind it coming from a battery hen that had never seen sunlight in its life...and that miserable egg would be a fair swap for a decent lunch in Centaurland, wouldn't it!
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"I honestly feel sorry for Centaur in these threads. Has he ever come up with what he thought was an example supporting his arguments that didn't leave him with egg all over his face? Delicious egg! You could probably get a whole one for 7p if you didn't mind it coming from a battery hen that had never seen sunlight in its life...and that miserable egg would be a fair swap for a decent lunch in Centaurland, wouldn't it!
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"If the Tories are so pro big business and all for the rich etc and the EU is so good for helping business and economic growth, why are they taking us out of the EU? Could it be that they now realise that the path to prosperity in the long term is outside the EU? Or do people on this swingers site kmow more than the people who actually make money for the country?" https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/17/business-pressure-may-hard-soft-brexit-eu-single-market Business leaders are pushing to remain in the single market and keep immigration coming. http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-londons-business-leaders-criticise-theresa-may-on-immigration-a3574016.html http://www.bbc.com/news/business-40478751 Some people on swingers sites read and can keep up with developments in politics. Others just guess at things like businesses backing Brexit and are shown up as wrong. | |||
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" Well there must be a lot of very rich people in the UK then considering they are the most popular party and have been for most of the last 100 years. Care to explain that? People vote against their interests all the time. Look at you for example, every week since the referendum its been pointed out to you all the drawbacks of Brexit and why its failing, yet you stubbornly refuse to acknowledge them. And yet you claim that you voted for Brexit to give a better future to your kid. Even when your economy is tanking and is hovering above recession you refuse to accept the effect Brexit has had by ignoring the facts. And your avoidance of reality, refusal to accept facts and stubborness are the exact things that lead a person to vote Tory even though they have nothing to gain because you wont accept the possibility youre wrong and wont form an opinion based on reason and fact. Maybe they have looked at all the positives of voting for Brexit (and the tories) and when weighed up against voting Remain (and Labour) they feel the positives outweigh the negative drewbacks on both points. You on the opposite side refuse to acknowledge the positives of Brexit, your stubborness won't let you see the drawbacks of Remain and you avoid reality, refuse to accept facts when pointed out to you, because you won't accept the possibility you're wrong and won't form an opinion based on fact or reason. What positives? You could already control immigration but didnt. Losing the existing deals the EU has with the rest of the world will decrease your trade by over 20% and by making your own you'll only claw back 5%. You'll lose all MRAs and make trade more costly and delivery times longer. At best British companies will still be subject to an EU/UK court, at worst the ECJ. Inflation is rising, growth is down to 0.2% so you're at a tipping point for recession. Jobs are leaving by the thousands. Tax take is going to be down once companies leave all or part of their operations for europe. 1 in 3 manufacturers are looking to move all or part of their operations to the EU. Real wage value is down. Cost of living is higher. Consumer confidence is down. Consumer spending is down. The NHS and British business could lose tens of thousands of vital workers if theres no deal. But you ignore all these things just like you ignore the realities of Brexit negotiations where the Tories are playing a losing hand. Now the Tories are abandoning hopes of "having their cake and eating it" like Boris promised. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/02/british-officials-drop-cake-and-eat-it-approach-to-brexit-negotiations Once more the Tories lose in negotiations and the EU position is the reality. Tories lost on pre empting talks with citizen rights, lost on the "battle of the summer" on sequencing, have finally accepted a court superior to British courts and thats not to mention being taken to the cleaners by the DUP." Taken to the cleaners by the DUP? It's a £1 billion pound deal that's about 0.04% of annual GDP in the UK, it's a great value deal which is good for all the people of Northern Ireland. There are plenty of positives to Brexit, but as I said your stubbornness makes you refuse to see them, that's why you asked what they are.... We can't control immigration from the EU as members because of EU free movement of people rules. Once we leave the EU (and the single market) we will be able to control immigration from the EU and have our own immigration policy not an EU immigration policy. Yes in the short term we will lose existing trade deals around the world that the EU already has but as we leave the EU (and the customs union) we can start to sign our own trade deals all around the world. In the long term this will be better for the UK and will lead to cheaper prices in the shops for uk consumers as we establish more and more trade deals all around the rest of the world. We will also continue to trade with the EU (either on a free trade basis if that is what they want and is in the EU's interest and favour to do so because of the trade deficit the UK is the EU'S biggest export market so it makes sense for them to do so, if they want to play hardball then it will be on WTO terms which they will have to comply with under international law (the total tariffs the UK would pay under WTO terms will be less than our current EU membership fee on balance of trade so the UK will be quids in). The drop in the value of the pound has already made our exports more competitive in the global markets and our exports will increase more once we establish those new trade deals all around the rest of the world. The UK is an island and is geared up for global trade. With new advances in technology and travel shipping times are shorter today than they have ever been and docks and shipyards are computerised. As Jacob Rees Mogg pointed out in an interview recently a shipping containers paperwork is computerised and sorted out in the time it takes for the crane to lift the container from the ship onto dry land. At best British laws will be subject to British courts and at worst a new Uk/EU court with an equal amount of UK and EU judges sitting on it. The ECJ won't get a look in and the jurisdiction of the ECJ has ended in the UK for good with Brexit. On your point about inflation and growth, inflation will come back down and growth will increase again over the long term as we establish those new trade deals with wealthy economies like the USA and high growth economies like China and India. International trade secretary Liam Fox announced on BBC question time last week he is due to start talks with the USA on a new trade deal in just a couple of weeks time. You say jobs are leaving by the thousands, but the UK Is creating jobs by the millions. The UK is the job creation centre of the EU. Those financial bankers jobs in the city really need to go anyway, as we need as a country to be less reliant on the city of London and financial services, and our economy needs to be more balanced in future moving back to a more manufacturer based economy. Yes It will be tough in the short term but we'll be much better off in the longer term, and it was reported just a couple of weeks ago uk manufacturing business leaders said they have never had their books as full as they are now the drop in the value of the pound has really boosted the UK export market. As financial jobs in the city may go more jobs in manufacturing will be created along with more jobs in the British fishing industry now the UK has signalled that EU ships will not be allowed to fish In British waters after Brexit this will allow for a new growth area in the British fishing industry. Tax take in the UK will increase as we establish more and more trade deals around the whole world and the UK economy grows more and more jobs will be created in the long term. The OECD said just last week the cost of Brexit will be pretty much neutral and hardly any difference will be felt compared to how it is now (this is a vast change in attitude compared to their forecasts last year that the cost of Brexit would be catastrophic). The UK will continue to attract the brightest and the best from all around the whole world for our immigration needs but the key thing is it will be controlled after Brexit. You ignore all these things like you ignore all the realities of Brexit and all the negative aspects that come with Remain and the shit that comes with membership of the EU (it's a long list and much longer than what I've just wrote so will maybe save that for another day as this post is long enough). The only realities are that the British people voted to leave the EU in a referendum and that vote will be respected (unlike in your country where you just roll over at the whim of the EU and vote again until you give the EU the answer in wants). The article 50 vote is a reality and was passed with a huge majority in the house of commons and has now been triggered by the UK government. The EU treaty on article 50 gives a 2 year exit window so if the EU treaties are sacred and cannot be altered (no compromise on free movement of people) then I expect the EU to stick to the letter on the article 50 process and come March 2019 we will finally be free from this undemocratic, over bureaucratic, authoritarian, bullying, wasteful, poorly organised, unwieldy, wretched monstrosity called the EU. | |||
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" Taken to the cleaners by the DUP? It's a £1 billion pound deal that's about 0.04% of annual GDP in the UK, it's a great value deal which is good for all the people of Northern Ireland. There are plenty of positives to Brexit, but as I said your stubbornness makes you refuse to see them, that's why you asked what they are.... We can't control immigration from the EU as members because of EU free movement of people rules. Once we leave the EU (and the single market) we will be able to control immigration from the EU and have our own immigration policy not an EU immigration policy. Yes in the short term we will lose existing trade deals around the world that the EU already has but as we leave the EU (and the customs union) we can start to sign our own trade deals all around the world. In the long term this will be better for the UK and will lead to cheaper prices in the shops for uk consumers as we establish more and more trade deals all around the rest of the world. We will also continue to trade with the EU (either on a free trade basis if that is what they want and is in the EU's interest and favour to do so because of the trade deficit the UK is the EU'S biggest export market so it makes sense for them to do so, if they want to play hardball then it will be on WTO terms which they will have to comply with under international law (the total tariffs the UK would pay under WTO terms will be less than our current EU membership fee on balance of trade so the UK will be quids in). The drop in the value of the pound has already made our exports more competitive in the global markets and our exports will increase more once we establish those new trade deals all around the rest of the world. The UK is an island and is geared up for global trade. With new advances in technology and travel shipping times are shorter today than they have ever been and docks and shipyards are computerised. As Jacob Rees Mogg pointed out in an interview recently a shipping containers paperwork is computerised and sorted out in the time it takes for the crane to lift the container from the ship onto dry land. At best British laws will be subject to British courts and at worst a new Uk/EU court with an equal amount of UK and EU judges sitting on it. The ECJ won't get a look in and the jurisdiction of the ECJ has ended in the UK for good with Brexit. On your point about inflation and growth, inflation will come back down and growth will increase again over the long term as we establish those new trade deals with wealthy economies like the USA and high growth economies like China and India. International trade secretary Liam Fox announced on BBC question time last week he is due to start talks with the USA on a new trade deal in just a couple of weeks time. You say jobs are leaving by the thousands, but the UK Is creating jobs by the millions. The UK is the job creation centre of the EU. Those financial bankers jobs in the city really need to go anyway, as we need as a country to be less reliant on the city of London and financial services, and our economy needs to be more balanced in future moving back to a more manufacturer based economy. Yes It will be tough in the short term but we'll be much better off in the longer term, and it was reported just a couple of weeks ago uk manufacturing business leaders said they have never had their books as full as they are now the drop in the value of the pound has really boosted the UK export market. As financial jobs in the city may go more jobs in manufacturing will be created along with more jobs in the British fishing industry now the UK has signalled that EU ships will not be allowed to fish In British waters after Brexit this will allow for a new growth area in the British fishing industry. Tax take in the UK will increase as we establish more and more trade deals around the whole world and the UK economy grows more and more jobs will be created in the long term. The OECD said just last week the cost of Brexit will be pretty much neutral and hardly any difference will be felt compared to how it is now (this is a vast change in attitude compared to their forecasts last year that the cost of Brexit would be catastrophic). The UK will continue to attract the brightest and the best from all around the whole world for our immigration needs but the key thing is it will be controlled after Brexit. You ignore all these things like you ignore all the realities of Brexit and all the negative aspects that come with Remain and the shit that comes with membership of the EU (it's a long list and much longer than what I've just wrote so will maybe save that for another day as this post is long enough). The only realities are that the British people voted to leave the EU in a referendum and that vote will be respected (unlike in your country where you just roll over at the whim of the EU and vote again until you give the EU the answer in wants). The article 50 vote is a reality and was passed with a huge majority in the house of commons and has now been triggered by the UK government. The EU treaty on article 50 gives a 2 year exit window so if the EU treaties are sacred and cannot be altered (no compromise on free movement of people) then I expect the EU to stick to the letter on the article 50 process and come March 2019 we will finally be free from this undemocratic, over bureaucratic, authoritarian, bullying, wasteful, poorly organised, unwieldy, wretched monstrosity called the EU. " At £100million for each one it must be the most expensive votes in history. Not forgetting that the DUP would have sided with the Tories anyway since they dont want Corbyn and were in favour of Brexit. £1bn to vote the way they would have voted anyway. You have full control of non EU immigration and unused control of EU immigration. No government has used it because they saw it as bad for the economy and business leaders are pushing hard to keep immigration open. Little will likely change and May will continue to miss her own targets. No deal with the EU will cost the UK 30% of its global trade and deals with the AngloAmerican and BRIICS countries will only get 5% back. https://www.niesr.ac.uk/blog/will-new-trade-deals-soften-blow-hard-brexit You wont get a better deal than the EU because you have to approach it from weakness because you need deals done fast and because youre a much smaller market without the rest of the EU. Imagine going to a business supplier and saying we're only going to buy 1/8 as the other guys but we want better terms and we're in desperate need to do it quickly. Its nonsensical. Not to mention that these deals will take years and years to negotiate and implement whereas the loss of the EUs deals will happen immediately. The UK will also not be ahead on WTO terms. British business will face £6bn in tarrifs while British consumers will face £9bn. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/feb/20/no-deal-brexit-would-mean-6bn-in-extra-costs-for-uk-exporters Digitised paperwork does make things go faster. But without a deal the UK loses all its MRAs with every country in and out of the EU and this means that all containers will be subject to inspections and storage for days while inspections are completed. This means long delays, storage costs for inspections and the UK businesses needing to warehouse additonal product at home and abroad to meet demand. Manufacturing companies confidence has hit a 7 month low and the UK manufacturing sector is lagging behind growth in the EU, US and China to name but a few. In fact UK manufacturing growth is at a 3 year low. https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2017/jul/03/chinese-factories-growth-uk-us-eurozone-unemployment-business-live?page=with:block-595a04b8e4b0ed9844fe9527#block-595a04b8e4b0ed9844fe9527 And the pounds value dropping is a bandaid because its sent inflation higher and its just masking the uncertainty of Brexit, theres no chance a devaluation can cover up the losses of what no deal will bring. Not to mention that no deal will cost UK consumers £9bn so they cant afford inflation as well. The UK isnt creating millions of new jobs. Just 100,000 in feb, march and april. And growth has slowed and is forecasted to continue to slow for the rest of the year. And unemployment didnt decrease at all implying that lost jobs are keeping track with new jobs. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/uk-wages-fall-as-unemployment-holds-steady-2017-06-14 As for the fishing. Only 1.5% of fish caught in British waters is by EU boats while 62% of British catches is sold to the EU. https://amp.independent.ie/business/brexit/ireland-and-eu-allies-vow-to-fight-for-fishing-industry-as-uk-pulls-the-plug-on-agreement-35887780.html No country in the western world is moving back to a manufacturing economy. Thats ridiculous. China has already started using fully automated factories and no employee is going to be able to compete with a machine that can operate 24 hours a day and make less mistakes. The OECD said there be a drop in growth next year due to Brexit concerns but it anticipates Brexit with no deal to get even worse. Predictions are that it could wipe almost 3% off the value of the UKs gdp. https://www.ft.com/content/ceafe667-ab51-3097-81b1-1b99f3cd4989 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-theresa-may-trade-deal-european-union-oecd-a7776961.html Did I miss anything or is everything you posted been debunked? | |||
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" Well there must be a lot of very rich people in the UK then considering they are the most popular party and have been for most of the last 100 years. Care to explain that? People vote against their interests all the time. Look at you for example, every week since the referendum its been pointed out to you all the drawbacks of Brexit and why its failing, yet you stubbornly refuse to acknowledge them. And yet you claim that you voted for Brexit to give a better future to your kid. Even when your economy is tanking and is hovering above recession you refuse to accept the effect Brexit has had by ignoring the facts. And your avoidance of reality, refusal to accept facts and stubborness are the exact things that lead a person to vote Tory even though they have nothing to gain because you wont accept the possibility youre wrong and wont form an opinion based on reason and fact. Maybe they have looked at all the positives of voting for Brexit (and the tories) and when weighed up against voting Remain (and Labour) they feel the positives outweigh the negative drewbacks on both points. You on the opposite side refuse to acknowledge the positives of Brexit, your stubborness won't let you see the drawbacks of Remain and you avoid reality, refuse to accept facts when pointed out to you, because you won't accept the possibility you're wrong and won't form an opinion based on fact or reason. What positives? You could already control immigration but didnt. Losing the existing deals the EU has with the rest of the world will decrease your trade by over 20% and by making your own you'll only claw back 5%. You'll lose all MRAs and make trade more costly and delivery times longer. At best British companies will still be subject to an EU/UK court, at worst the ECJ. Inflation is rising, growth is down to 0.2% so you're at a tipping point for recession. Jobs are leaving by the thousands. Tax take is going to be down once companies leave all or part of their operations for europe. 1 in 3 manufacturers are looking to move all or part of their operations to the EU. Real wage value is down. Cost of living is higher. Consumer confidence is down. Consumer spending is down. The NHS and British business could lose tens of thousands of vital workers if theres no deal. But you ignore all these things just like you ignore the realities of Brexit negotiations where the Tories are playing a losing hand. Now the Tories are abandoning hopes of "having their cake and eating it" like Boris promised. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/02/british-officials-drop-cake-and-eat-it-approach-to-brexit-negotiations Once more the Tories lose in negotiations and the EU position is the reality. Tories lost on pre empting talks with citizen rights, lost on the "battle of the summer" on sequencing, have finally accepted a court superior to British courts and thats not to mention being taken to the cleaners by the DUP. Taken to the cleaners by the DUP? It's a £1 billion pound deal that's about 0.04% of annual GDP in the UK, it's a great value deal which is good for all the people of Northern Ireland. There are plenty of positives to Brexit, but as I said your stubbornness makes you refuse to see them, that's why you asked what they are.... We can't control immigration from the EU as members because of EU free movement of people rules. Once we leave the EU (and the single market) we will be able to control immigration from the EU and have our own immigration policy not an EU immigration policy. Yes in the short term we will lose existing trade deals around the world that the EU already has but as we leave the EU (and the customs union) we can start to sign our own trade deals all around the world. In the long term this will be better for the UK and will lead to cheaper prices in the shops for uk consumers as we establish more and more trade deals all around the rest of the world. We will also continue to trade with the EU (either on a free trade basis if that is what they want and is in the EU's interest and favour to do so because of the trade deficit the UK is the EU'S biggest export market so it makes sense for them to do so, if they want to play hardball then it will be on WTO terms which they will have to comply with under international law (the total tariffs the UK would pay under WTO terms will be less than our current EU membership fee on balance of trade so the UK will be quids in). The drop in the value of the pound has already made our exports more competitive in the global markets and our exports will increase more once we establish those new trade deals all around the rest of the world. The UK is an island and is geared up for global trade. With new advances in technology and travel shipping times are shorter today than they have ever been and docks and shipyards are computerised. As Jacob Rees Mogg pointed out in an interview recently a shipping containers paperwork is computerised and sorted out in the time it takes for the crane to lift the container from the ship onto dry land. At best British laws will be subject to British courts and at worst a new Uk/EU court with an equal amount of UK and EU judges sitting on it. The ECJ won't get a look in and the jurisdiction of the ECJ has ended in the UK for good with Brexit. On your point about inflation and growth, inflation will come back down and growth will increase again over the long term as we establish those new trade deals with wealthy economies like the USA and high growth economies like China and India. International trade secretary Liam Fox announced on BBC question time last week he is due to start talks with the USA on a new trade deal in just a couple of weeks time. You say jobs are leaving by the thousands, but the UK Is creating jobs by the millions. The UK is the job creation centre of the EU. Those financial bankers jobs in the city really need to go anyway, as we need as a country to be less reliant on the city of London and financial services, and our economy needs to be more balanced in future moving back to a more manufacturer based economy. Yes It will be tough in the short term but we'll be much better off in the longer term, and it was reported just a couple of weeks ago uk manufacturing business leaders said they have never had their books as full as they are now the drop in the value of the pound has really boosted the UK export market. As financial jobs in the city may go more jobs in manufacturing will be created along with more jobs in the British fishing industry now the UK has signalled that EU ships will not be allowed to fish In British waters after Brexit this will allow for a new growth area in the British fishing industry. Tax take in the UK will increase as we establish more and more trade deals around the whole world and the UK economy grows more and more jobs will be created in the long term. The OECD said just last week the cost of Brexit will be pretty much neutral and hardly any difference will be felt compared to how it is now (this is a vast change in attitude compared to their forecasts last year that the cost of Brexit would be catastrophic). The UK will continue to attract the brightest and the best from all around the whole world for our immigration needs but the key thing is it will be controlled after Brexit. You ignore all these things like you ignore all the realities of Brexit and all the negative aspects that come with Remain and the shit that comes with membership of the EU (it's a long list and much longer than what I've just wrote so will maybe save that for another day as this post is long enough). The only realities are that the British people voted to leave the EU in a referendum and that vote will be respected (unlike in your country where you just roll over at the whim of the EU and vote again until you give the EU the answer in wants). The article 50 vote is a reality and was passed with a huge majority in the house of commons and has now been triggered by the UK government. The EU treaty on article 50 gives a 2 year exit window so if the EU treaties are sacred and cannot be altered (no compromise on free movement of people) then I expect the EU to stick to the letter on the article 50 process and come March 2019 we will finally be free from this undemocratic, over bureaucratic, authoritarian, bullying, wasteful, poorly organised, unwieldy, wretched monstrosity called the EU. " The same old BREXIT lies, deception and misleading information that we always get from hard core BREXITers. I think I'm going to have to store the rebuttals to these lies on my phone so in future, whenever a BREXITer comes out with these lies, I can just cut&paste the truth in. When you say "Yes It will be tough in the short term" what do you actually mean? Do you mean people are going to loose their jobs? Do you mean people are going to loose their homes because they don't have the money to pay their mortgage or rent? Do you mean that, as people loose their jobs and companies go bust, tax receipts plummet and we have to make further, deeper cuts in health, education and social services? Is that what you mean by "it will be tough in the short term". And for what? So we can maybe do little more trade with some far-a-way country that no one knows instead of with our neighbours. So we can be told what to do by an international court that is exactly the same as the ECJ in all but name. So we can continue to not control immigration, whether from the EU or not, in exactly the same way as we haven't controlled it when we could have while in the EU? Please Centuria, please tell us what all this pain, this 'tough time' you admit we're going to have, is actually for. Tell us how any of this is actually going to make any of us actually better off? | |||
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"now we can get back to the topic in the op, about the high level of institutionalised corruption and bribery that is endemic in the conservative and other unionist parties The tories represent selfish attitudes and greed, and a lack of compassion or empathy. The latest being treating the emergency services badly while using the same taxpayers money to buy power. Just the latest example. Im not suprised there's the phenomenon of "closet tories" secretly voting tory as they are embarrassed to admit they are greedy, selfish and don't give a shit about others. The Tories are all about helping themselves and others. Labour are all about taking from others The Tories are all about helping themselves anyway, the only others are their elite friends. Thats why they take food from hungry children, cut the real wages of emergency service workers and insist theres no money until theres a tax cut for the rich or a billion needed to keep themselves in power. Well there must be a lot of very rich people in the UK then considering they are the most popular party and have been for most of the last 100 years. Care to explain that? When you look at a break down of how people voted at the general election and the different demographics, the tories got the bulk of the working class vote. Labour are no longer the party of the working class. The tories also get most of the older vote because as we all know older people have more life experience and are wiser in the choices and decisions they make. Same can be said for Brexit it was mainly the working class and the older voter's who votes for it. " The tories never have been for the working class. Show me a slum landlord, renting filthy houses with mould and wallpaper, hanging off to exploit the disadvantsged, 'care home' owners paying buttons to staff and an indignant existence for the residents, or a fat cat banker, who knows if a greedy, immoral way of exploiting others like I've mentioned snd will be bsoled out by the government with taxpayer's money.. i will show you a tory voter! | |||
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"now we can get back to the topic in the op, about the high level of institutionalised corruption and bribery that is endemic in the conservative and other unionist parties The tories represent selfish attitudes and greed, and a lack of compassion or empathy. The latest being treating the emergency services badly while using the same taxpayers money to buy power. Just the latest example. Im not suprised there's the phenomenon of "closet tories" secretly voting tory as they are embarrassed to admit they are greedy, selfish and don't give a shit about others. The Tories are all about helping themselves and others. Labour are all about taking from others The Tories are all about helping themselves anyway, the only others are their elite friends. Thats why they take food from hungry children, cut the real wages of emergency service workers and insist theres no money until theres a tax cut for the rich or a billion needed to keep themselves in power. Well there must be a lot of very rich people in the UK then considering they are the most popular party and have been for most of the last 100 years. Care to explain that? When you look at a break down of how people voted at the general election and the different demographics, the tories got the bulk of the working class vote. Labour are no longer the party of the working class. The tories also get most of the older vote because as we all know older people have more life experience and are wiser in the choices and decisions they make. Same can be said for Brexit it was mainly the working class and the older voter's who votes for it. The tories never have been for the working class. Show me a slum landlord, renting filthy houses with mould and wallpaper, hanging off to exploit the disadvantsged, 'care home' owners paying buttons to staff and an indignant existence for the residents, or a fat cat banker, who knows if a greedy, immoral way of exploiting others like I've mentioned snd will be bsoled out by the government with taxpayer's money.. i will show you a tory voter! " A slum landlord will probably be a Labour voter in the hope that as usual Labour create more unemployed and benefit dependants to exploit or a Remain voter with poor EU immigrants to exploit. Some people just don't think things through and jump on the old stereotypes | |||
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"now we can get back to the topic in the op, about the high level of institutionalised corruption and bribery that is endemic in the conservative and other unionist parties The tories represent selfish attitudes and greed, and a lack of compassion or empathy. The latest being treating the emergency services badly while using the same taxpayers money to buy power. Just the latest example. Im not suprised there's the phenomenon of "closet tories" secretly voting tory as they are embarrassed to admit they are greedy, selfish and don't give a shit about others. The Tories are all about helping themselves and others. Labour are all about taking from others The Tories are all about helping themselves anyway, the only others are their elite friends. Thats why they take food from hungry children, cut the real wages of emergency service workers and insist theres no money until theres a tax cut for the rich or a billion needed to keep themselves in power. Well there must be a lot of very rich people in the UK then considering they are the most popular party and have been for most of the last 100 years. Care to explain that? When you look at a break down of how people voted at the general election and the different demographics, the tories got the bulk of the working class vote. Labour are no longer the party of the working class. The tories also get most of the older vote because as we all know older people have more life experience and are wiser in the choices and decisions they make. Same can be said for Brexit it was mainly the working class and the older voter's who votes for it. The tories never have been for the working class. Show me a slum landlord, renting filthy houses with mould and wallpaper, hanging off to exploit the disadvantsged, 'care home' owners paying buttons to staff and an indignant existence for the residents, or a fat cat banker, who knows if a greedy, immoral way of exploiting others like I've mentioned snd will be bsoled out by the government with taxpayer's money.. i will show you a tory voter! A slum landlord will probably be a Labour voter in the hope that as usual Labour create more unemployed and benefit dependants to exploit or a Remain voter with poor EU immigrants to exploit. Some people just don't think things through and jump on the old stereotypes" How many Tory MPs voted against making rented housing habitable for human habitation? | |||
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"now we can get back to the topic in the op, about the high level of institutionalised corruption and bribery that is endemic in the conservative and other unionist parties The tories represent selfish attitudes and greed, and a lack of compassion or empathy. The latest being treating the emergency services badly while using the same taxpayers money to buy power. Just the latest example. Im not suprised there's the phenomenon of "closet tories" secretly voting tory as they are embarrassed to admit they are greedy, selfish and don't give a shit about others. The Tories are all about helping themselves and others. Labour are all about taking from others The Tories are all about helping themselves anyway, the only others are their elite friends. Thats why they take food from hungry children, cut the real wages of emergency service workers and insist theres no money until theres a tax cut for the rich or a billion needed to keep themselves in power. Well there must be a lot of very rich people in the UK then considering they are the most popular party and have been for most of the last 100 years. Care to explain that? When you look at a break down of how people voted at the general election and the different demographics, the tories got the bulk of the working class vote. Labour are no longer the party of the working class. The tories also get most of the older vote because as we all know older people have more life experience and are wiser in the choices and decisions they make. Same can be said for Brexit it was mainly the working class and the older voter's who votes for it. The tories never have been for the working class. Show me a slum landlord, renting filthy houses with mould and wallpaper, hanging off to exploit the disadvantsged, 'care home' owners paying buttons to staff and an indignant existence for the residents, or a fat cat banker, who knows if a greedy, immoral way of exploiting others like I've mentioned snd will be bsoled out by the government with taxpayer's money.. i will show you a tory voter! A slum landlord will probably be a Labour voter in the hope that as usual Labour create more unemployed and benefit dependants to exploit or a Remain voter with poor EU immigrants to exploit. Some people just don't think things through and jump on the old stereotypes How many Tory MPs voted against making rented housing habitable for human habitation? " I don't know do you? But I'm sure there is a bit more behind that question and answer. Habitable for human habitation. Interesting term | |||
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"Love reading this. Sounds so much like the fans telling the players how to play the game except the fans can actually see all that's going on. I'd say most of us only know of a fraction of what is actually involved in making any of these deal let alone the real cost in terms of giving and taking. But it's interesting reading all the same." One side is giving votes, the other is giving cash. | |||
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"now we can get back to the topic in the op, about the high level of institutionalised corruption and bribery that is endemic in the conservative and other unionist parties The tories represent selfish attitudes and greed, and a lack of compassion or empathy. The latest being treating the emergency services badly while using the same taxpayers money to buy power. Just the latest example. Im not suprised there's the phenomenon of "closet tories" secretly voting tory as they are embarrassed to admit they are greedy, selfish and don't give a shit about others. The Tories are all about helping themselves and others. Labour are all about taking from others The Tories are all about helping themselves anyway, the only others are their elite friends. Thats why they take food from hungry children, cut the real wages of emergency service workers and insist theres no money until theres a tax cut for the rich or a billion needed to keep themselves in power. Well there must be a lot of very rich people in the UK then considering they are the most popular party and have been for most of the last 100 years. Care to explain that? When you look at a break down of how people voted at the general election and the different demographics, the tories got the bulk of the working class vote. Labour are no longer the party of the working class. The tories also get most of the older vote because as we all know older people have more life experience and are wiser in the choices and decisions they make. Same can be said for Brexit it was mainly the working class and the older voter's who votes for it. The tories never have been for the working class. Show me a slum landlord, renting filthy houses with mould and wallpaper, hanging off to exploit the disadvantsged, 'care home' owners paying buttons to staff and an indignant existence for the residents, or a fat cat banker, who knows if a greedy, immoral way of exploiting others like I've mentioned snd will be bsoled out by the government with taxpayer's money.. i will show you a tory voter! A slum landlord will probably be a Labour voter in the hope that as usual Labour create more unemployed and benefit dependants to exploit or a Remain voter with poor EU immigrants to exploit. Some people just don't think things through and jump on the old stereotypes How many Tory MPs voted against making rented housing habitable for human habitation? " I think that'd be all of them. | |||
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