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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Apparently, Trump will only visit when he's guaranteed happy waving crowds welcoming him.

It may be some time.

At least it saves London the bill for the policing and the Met can get on with their work.

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin

It'll never happen. He knows he's not going to get the cheering crowds and theres nothing that hes going to do that will change that. Besides he might not even make it through the summer

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"It'll never happen. He knows he's not going to get the cheering crowds and theres nothing that hes going to do that will change that. Besides he might not even make it through the summer "
It took years to impeach Nixon he will be there a while yet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I read about this. I personally think he's a bit embarrassed about all that shit that went down with the Mayor of London, as well.

Anyway, it's all good with me. Saves me the money I would have spent traveling down to London to protest him .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Apparently, Trump will only visit when he's guaranteed happy waving crowds welcoming him.

It may be some time.

At least it saves London the bill for the policing and the Met can get on with their work.

"

Can't they cgi them in?

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

Just the fallout of another May fuckup!

'Strong and Stable' my arse!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Both the White House and Downing street have denied this

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"Both the White House and Downing street have denied this"

I am glad they are ... because the demos are going be epic and the optics of those back in the states will look awful for him

I know people who are looking at taking some holiday specifically for this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is one demo I'm actually thinking of coming down from Scotland for.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"This is one demo I'm actually thinking of coming down from Scotland for."

I would have come down from Newcastle for it.. was also hoping he would have done one of his Scottish golf clubs as well as that would have been closer...

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"This is one demo I'm actually thinking of coming down from Scotland for.

I would have come down from Newcastle for it.. was also hoping he would have done one of his Scottish golf clubs as well as that would have been closer..."

When he confirms I'll buy my eggs...

by the time he gets here they will be well smelly...

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham


"This is one demo I'm actually thinking of coming down from Scotland for.

I would have come down from Newcastle for it.. was also hoping he would have done one of his Scottish golf clubs as well as that would have been closer...

When he confirms I'll buy my eggs...

by the time he gets here they will be well smelly...

"

Just remember that the American secret service are armed even when on UK soil.....and the Americans do have a habit of shooting first....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Both the White House and Downing street have denied this"

I hope he does come. I can't afford to go back to the US to protest, but if he comes here then it gives me the opportunity. I guess time will tell....

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"Just remember that the American secret service are armed even when on UK soil.....and the Americans do have a habit of shooting first.... "

I spent many years as a professional target for the British State...

Been shot at many times...

If one of them managed to hit me I expect that not only would done small hands be done but so would Herr May!

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

I don't think the Aluminium Lady has the political capital for Trump visit. Too many MPs with reduced majorities would be worried about facing another election from an angered electoral base.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This is one demo I'm actually thinking of coming down from Scotland for.

I would have come down from Newcastle for it.. was also hoping he would have done one of his Scottish golf clubs as well as that would have been closer..."

Trouble with those is he's more than likely to be choppered in and not see any of the demos.

On a state visit, he can't help miss them or the publicity that would surround it.

I think it will be a very long time, if ever, before he turns up for one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was all for May becoming PM but as soon as she rolled out the red carpet for Trump after so little time after he took office..... then the fucking stupid "Red, White & Blue" Brexit shite, then the rest of the bollocks that's gone on since.... in my mind she's gone from a possible strong leader like Thatcher to a bumbling fucking idiot like Gordon Brown

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

It didn't make it into the Queen's Speech.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do you think she asked him not to come? The thought of a few hundred thousand people protesting put the brakes on a bit

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

So it doesn't look like he's coming then, not for a while at least.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So it doesn't look like he's coming then, not for a while at least."

Hopefully forever.

Saves me the cost of a return airfare to London.

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

Kim Don Tump doesn't want much. Surprised he hasn't requested them teary eyed and a special fanfare to announce his low flying wig.

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

so much for free speech then, like him or not dont the british have a reputation for allowing people to speak freely or is it the new political world that we will just shout down anyone we disagree with, no fan of him but I strongly believe in his right to come and speak here, to deny this is a very slippery slope

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"Just the fallout of another May fuckup!

'Strong and Stable' my arse!"
What has it got to do with May,it is more about tradition and cementing ties.

I suppose if you have a headache it is May's fault lol get real

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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago

Wakefield


"It didn't make it into the Queen's Speech. "

Of course it is not in the Queens speech the date has not been fixed yet.

When the civil servants here and in the USA manage to line the diaries up the date will be announced.

It is exactly the same protocol as any other leaders visit has been.

No matter who the prime minister was he or she was duty bound to invite the President of the USA to visit the UK

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"so much for free speech then, like him or not dont the british have a reputation for allowing people to speak freely or is it the new political world that we will just shout down anyone we disagree with, no fan of him but I strongly believe in his right to come and speak here, to deny this is a very slippery slope"

Who has denied his "right" to come and speak here?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It didn't make it into the Queen's Speech.

Of course it is not in the Queens speech the date has not been fixed yet.

When the civil servants here and in the USA manage to line the diaries up the date will be announced.

It is exactly the same protocol as any other leaders visit has been.

No matter who the prime minister was he or she was duty bound to invite the President of the USA to visit the UK"

But it's not just a 'visit' is it? It's a State Visit, an entirely different matter and she's not duty bound to extend one.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"so much for free speech then, like him or not dont the british have a reputation for allowing people to speak freely or is it the new political world that we will just shout down anyone we disagree with, no fan of him but I strongly believe in his right to come and speak here, to deny this is a very slippery slope"
Lefties do not like free speech just propaganda

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin

The state visit isnt in the books anymore. White House leaked that a couple weeks back. Apparently Donnies ego couldnt stand the thought of all those people disliking him in full view of the cameras.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"so much for free speech then, like him or not dont the british have a reputation for allowing people to speak freely or is it the new political world that we will just shout down anyone we disagree with, no fan of him but I strongly believe in his right to come and speak here, to deny this is a very slippery slope"

you do know that his coming or not has sweet fa to do with you, i or the man on the Clapham omnibus..

such things are above our pay scale and yes i agree as the President he should be afforded a visit though even if i didn't it would not matter as such things are pretty much set in stone..

and no one will deny him the right to free speech which you know full well, equally the people who for so many valid reasons object to him and some of his policies and past deeds have the same right to express their right to free speech and peaceful protest..

you really think Theresa not so strong and stable in any way shape or form would dent him a visit..

has there been another referendum on him coming..

answer is no is it not..

tchh you lot on the right with your hand wringing outrage eh..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"so much for free speech then, like him or not dont the british have a reputation for allowing people to speak freely or is it the new political world that we will just shout down anyone we disagree with, no fan of him but I strongly believe in his right to come and speak here, to deny this is a very slippery slopeLefties do not like free speech just propaganda"

and the award for irony goes to your good self in posting that..

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados


"so much for free speech then, like him or not dont the british have a reputation for allowing people to speak freely or is it the new political world that we will just shout down anyone we disagree with, no fan of him but I strongly believe in his right to come and speak here, to deny this is a very slippery slope"

WTF has the Queen inviting him over for a state visit got to do with free speech?! Ffs stop being a drama llama and go back to drooling over his tweets.

-Matt

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin


"so much for free speech then, like him or not dont the british have a reputation for allowing people to speak freely or is it the new political world that we will just shout down anyone we disagree with, no fan of him but I strongly believe in his right to come and speak here, to deny this is a very slippery slope

WTF has the Queen inviting him over for a state visit got to do with free speech?! Ffs stop being a drama llama and go back to drooling over his tweets.

-Matt"

You must have missed the redefinition of free speech by the alt right.

The new definition is that left talking points are crying and whinging and the right talking points are to be heard without any counter points or dissention in appreciative silence or loud unwavering agreement.

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By *avidnsa69Man
over a year ago

Essex & Bridgend


"so much for free speech then, like him or not dont the british have a reputation for allowing people to speak freely or is it the new political world that we will just shout down anyone we disagree with, no fan of him but I strongly believe in his right to come and speak here, to deny this is a very slippery slopeLefties do not like free speech just propaganda"

What nonsense. No-one is denying him free speech. I hope he shows his orange visage here and sees and hears what people think of him

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth


"so much for free speech then, like him or not dont the british have a reputation for allowing people to speak freely or is it the new political world that we will just shout down anyone we disagree with, no fan of him but I strongly believe in his right to come and speak here, to deny this is a very slippery slope

WTF has the Queen inviting him over for a state visit got to do with free speech?! Ffs stop being a drama llama and go back to drooling over his tweets.

-Matt"

Perhaps you need to go back to school and learn to read and understand what you read. I said I am no fan of him, BUT many thousands have died to protect free speech yet here we have people threatening him with rotten eggs etc. Like it or not he is the democratically elected leader of the the most powerful country in the world, if people were just going to line the streets that would be fine and I would always argue that is totally ok, but unruly mobs shouting and baying to try and stop either his visit or any speech he makes is not on IMVHO.

To those that want his visit stopped ask yourselves how many thousand innocent kids has trump killed via bombings etc and then do the same with obama, yet I didnt hear anyone protesting against him coming here

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados


"so much for free speech then, like him or not dont the british have a reputation for allowing people to speak freely or is it the new political world that we will just shout down anyone we disagree with, no fan of him but I strongly believe in his right to come and speak here, to deny this is a very slippery slope

WTF has the Queen inviting him over for a state visit got to do with free speech?! Ffs stop being a drama llama and go back to drooling over his tweets.

-Matt

Perhaps you need to go back to school and learn to read and understand what you read. I said I am no fan of him, BUT many thousands have died to protect free speech yet here we have people threatening him with rotten eggs etc. Like it or not he is the democratically elected leader of the the most powerful country in the world, if people were just going to line the streets that would be fine and I would always argue that is totally ok, but unruly mobs shouting and baying to try and stop either his visit or any speech he makes is not on IMVHO.

To those that want his visit stopped ask yourselves how many thousand innocent kids has trump killed via bombings etc and then do the same with obama, yet I didnt hear anyone protesting against him coming here "

Umm... Sorry... but what?!

Let's just recap here, as you seem to be unable to read what you wrote yourself.

So you start with "so much for free speech then..." and then end with "I strongly believe in his right to come and speak here, to deny this is a very slippery slope".

As several people have pointed out on here (so it is just not my comprehension skills lacking) that not inviting him over here for a STATE VISIT has in NO way anything to do with denying him free speech.

He can come over here anytime he wants and say what he wants. People will gladly hear him. They will likely protest. The fact they CAN protest is EXACTLY what free speech is about. The fact that people can line the streets with placards and say what they mean and not be arrested or censored by the state is BECAUSE we have free speech.

No, I don't condone violence and I don't think lobbing eggs at him is a good move. And your bluster about killing kids and Obama is a great dodge of the issue, but most people here will see that is is a dodge, and see that you don't have any idea what free speech means.

-Matt

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"so much for free speech then, like him or not dont the british have a reputation for allowing people to speak freely or is it the new political world that we will just shout down anyone we disagree with, no fan of him but I strongly believe in his right to come and speak here, to deny this is a very slippery slope

WTF has the Queen inviting him over for a state visit got to do with free speech?! Ffs stop being a drama llama and go back to drooling over his tweets.

-Matt

Perhaps you need to go back to school and learn to read and understand what you read. I said I am no fan of him, BUT many thousands have died to protect free speech yet here we have people threatening him with rotten eggs etc. Like it or not he is the democratically elected leader of the the most powerful country in the world, if people were just going to line the streets that would be fine and I would always argue that is totally ok, but unruly mobs shouting and baying to try and stop either his visit or any speech he makes is not on IMVHO.

To those that want his visit stopped ask yourselves how many thousand innocent kids has trump killed via bombings etc and then do the same with obama, yet I didnt hear anyone protesting against him coming here "

But isn't peaceful demonstrations the perfect example of free speech... no one is advocating violence, they are advocating for it to be loud and vocal...

You don't have to agree... but you are beginning to sound like the snowflakes you accused other people of being

If he can't cope with loud and peaceful protests.. that's on him, not us

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"so much for free speech then, like him or not dont the british have a reputation for allowing people to speak freely or is it the new political world that we will just shout down anyone we disagree with, no fan of him but I strongly believe in his right to come and speak here, to deny this is a very slippery slope

WTF has the Queen inviting him over for a state visit got to do with free speech?! Ffs stop being a drama llama and go back to drooling over his tweets.

-Matt

Perhaps you need to go back to school and learn to read and understand what you read. I said I am no fan of him, BUT many thousands have died to protect free speech yet here we have people threatening him with rotten eggs etc. Like it or not he is the democratically elected leader of the the most powerful country in the world, if people were just going to line the streets that would be fine and I would always argue that is totally ok, but unruly mobs shouting and baying to try and stop either his visit or any speech he makes is not on IMVHO.

To those that want his visit stopped ask yourselves how many thousand innocent kids has trump killed via bombings etc and then do the same with obama, yet I didnt hear anyone protesting against him coming here

But isn't peaceful demonstrations the perfect example of free speech... no one is advocating violence, they are advocating for it to be loud and vocal...

You don't have to agree... but you are beginning to sound like the snowflakes you accused other people of being

If he can't cope with loud and peaceful protests.. that's on him, not us "
Its lost on them that protesters gave us many rights...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"so much for free speech then, like him or not dont the british have a reputation for allowing people to speak freely or is it the new political world that we will just shout down anyone we disagree with, no fan of him but I strongly believe in his right to come and speak here, to deny this is a very slippery slope

WTF has the Queen inviting him over for a state visit got to do with free speech?! Ffs stop being a drama llama and go back to drooling over his tweets.

-Matt

Perhaps you need to go back to school and learn to read and understand what you read. I said I am no fan of him, BUT many thousands have died to protect free speech yet here we have people threatening him with rotten eggs etc. Like it or not he is the democratically elected leader of the the most powerful country in the world, if people were just going to line the streets that would be fine and I would always argue that is totally ok, but unruly mobs shouting and baying to try and stop either his visit or any speech he makes is not on IMVHO.

To those that want his visit stopped ask yourselves how many thousand innocent kids has trump killed via bombings etc and then do the same with obama, yet I didnt hear anyone protesting against him coming here "
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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"

To those that want his visit stopped ask yourselves how many thousand innocent kids has trump killed via bombings etc and then do the same with obama, yet I didnt hear anyone protesting against him coming here .

. "

And here is the kicker...

If you felt that strongly... why did you not get out there and peacefully protest yourself?

There was Nothing to stop you and you would have been within your right to!

So why are you trying to stop others having that same right

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth


"so much for free speech then, like him or not dont the british have a reputation for allowing people to speak freely or is it the new political world that we will just shout down anyone we disagree with, no fan of him but I strongly believe in his right to come and speak here, to deny this is a very slippery slope

WTF has the Queen inviting him over for a state visit got to do with free speech?! Ffs stop being a drama llama and go back to drooling over his tweets.

-Matt

Perhaps you need to go back to school and learn to read and understand what you read. I said I am no fan of him, BUT many thousands have died to protect free speech yet here we have people threatening him with rotten eggs etc. Like it or not he is the democratically elected leader of the the most powerful country in the world, if people were just going to line the streets that would be fine and I would always argue that is totally ok, but unruly mobs shouting and baying to try and stop either his visit or any speech he makes is not on IMVHO.

To those that want his visit stopped ask yourselves how many thousand innocent kids has trump killed via bombings etc and then do the same with obama, yet I didnt hear anyone protesting against him coming here

But isn't peaceful demonstrations the perfect example of free speech... no one is advocating violence, they are advocating for it to be loud and vocal...

You don't have to agree... but you are beginning to sound like the snowflakes you accused other people of being

If he can't cope with loud and peaceful protests.. that's on him, not us "

Peaceful being the word, not chucking eggs or trying to drown out any speech he makes, when this visit was first mentioned a good few wanted him banned, for what exactly ? Its a very fine line trying to balance free speech and mob rule trying to stop another person making a point, as I have said lots of times, I am no fan of trump

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin


"so much for free speech then, like him or not dont the british have a reputation for allowing people to speak freely or is it the new political world that we will just shout down anyone we disagree with, no fan of him but I strongly believe in his right to come and speak here, to deny this is a very slippery slope

WTF has the Queen inviting him over for a state visit got to do with free speech?! Ffs stop being a drama llama and go back to drooling over his tweets.

-Matt

Perhaps you need to go back to school and learn to read and understand what you read. I said I am no fan of him, BUT many thousands have died to protect free speech yet here we have people threatening him with rotten eggs etc. Like it or not he is the democratically elected leader of the the most powerful country in the world, if people were just going to line the streets that would be fine and I would always argue that is totally ok, but unruly mobs shouting and baying to try and stop either his visit or any speech he makes is not on IMVHO.

To those that want his visit stopped ask yourselves how many thousand innocent kids has trump killed via bombings etc and then do the same with obama, yet I didnt hear anyone protesting against him coming here

But isn't peaceful demonstrations the perfect example of free speech... no one is advocating violence, they are advocating for it to be loud and vocal...

You don't have to agree... but you are beginning to sound like the snowflakes you accused other people of being

If he can't cope with loud and peaceful protests.. that's on him, not us

Peaceful being the word, not chucking eggs or trying to drown out any speech he makes, when this visit was first mentioned a good few wanted him banned, for what exactly ? Its a very fine line trying to balance free speech and mob rule trying to stop another person making a point, as I have said lots of times, I am no fan of trump "

If you think that anyone would hit the president of the united states with anything given the level of security around him youve no idea how these things work. The secret service have learned a thing or two since Reagan.

Trump has not been banned. He is free to visit. He is free to make whatever speeches he wants. So what are you whining about? Some people didnt want him to come and they are free to voice that opinion. Free speech has been preserved.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

The only person who has stopped him coming is either himself or the PM.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"It'll never happen. He knows he's not going to get the cheering crowds and theres nothing that hes going to do that will change that. Besides he might not even make it through the summer It took years to impeach Nixon he will be there a while yet"

Technically Nixon wasn't impeached, he resigned. On the other hand Clinton was actually impeached in 1998 but remained in his post.

Impeachment is the process that allows a president to be legally tried. It is not a process for the removal of a president.

As point of information, after being impeached Clinton was acquitted in the trial stage.

It's rightly quite difficult to remove a sitting president.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"It didn't make it into the Queen's Speech.

Of course it is not in the Queens speech the date has not been fixed yet.

When the civil servants here and in the USA manage to line the diaries up the date will be announced.

It is exactly the same protocol as any other leaders visit has been.

No matter who the prime minister was he or she was duty bound to invite the President of the USA to visit the UK"

Actually no we're not duty bound to ask the President of the USA or anyone else to visit the UK.

Also there are visits, official visits and state visits. Obama didn't get a State Visit until 2011. He had visits and official visits before then but not a State Visit. State Visits are an honour that we can choose to grant.

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