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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Here's a question.

Is this site as a whole disproportionately filled with hard right people, or is it just of the people who regularly post in the politics forum?

I'd seriously worry for society if this was a representative sample.

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By *avagliamMan
over a year ago

London


"Here's a question.

Is this site as a whole disproportionately filled with hard right people, or is it just of the people who regularly post in the politics forum?

I'd seriously worry for society if this was a representative sample. "

This is nothing compared to how it was pre and just after brexit; back then, I ignored we were that racist as a country. But there is also a bunch composed by less than 10 who love to shout and spam their beliefs, mostly xenophobic ones

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Define Hard Right?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Xenophobic views. Tending to racism. Definitely anti migrant. Anti benefits of virtually any kind. Anti NHS or any form of social support.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham


"Xenophobic views. Tending to racism. Definitely anti migrant. Anti benefits of virtually any kind. Anti NHS or any form of social support."

Thats very clear, thank you.

Anyone with all of those views tends to get shot down very quickly on here. And those views are really limited to EDL members I would have thought?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it's a minority with a loud voice. The others just have a difference of opinion so we naturally debate or argue.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados


"Here's a question.

Is this site as a whole disproportionately filled with hard right people, or is it just of the people who regularly post in the politics forum?

I'd seriously worry for society if this was a representative sample. "

I would actually say there is pretty much everyone from every place on the political spectrum on here. The one thing being that unlike your own chosen circle of friends, or the people you interact with on Facebook, Twitter, etc, there are people on here you wouldn't normally interact with.

So for me personally, I thought it too was very hard right on here. Then I realised that actually it wasn't as unbalanced as I first though, but that I'm ore used to being with people who have similar views to myself (more central / left).

But as a whole, yes the world does seem to be moving more right wing, and much of the mainstream news is controlled by right wing people, so I think there are more right-wingers on here.

-Matt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Here's a question.

Is this site as a whole disproportionately filled with hard right people, or is it just of the people who regularly post in the politics forum?

I'd seriously worry for society if this was a representative sample.

I would actually say there is pretty much everyone from every place on the political spectrum on here. The one thing being that unlike your own chosen circle of friends, or the people you interact with on Facebook, Twitter, etc, there are people on here you wouldn't normally interact with.

So for me personally, I thought it too was very hard right on here. Then I realised that actually it wasn't as unbalanced as I first though, but that I'm ore used to being with people who have similar views to myself (more central / left).

But as a whole, yes the world does seem to be moving more right wing, and much of the mainstream news is controlled by right wing people, so I think there are more right-wingers on here.

-Matt"

Virtue signallers outnumber everybody. Aren't you sweet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lol , I'd say it was a fairly Equal forum but slightly to the left

And I'm on the Right most of the time !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think people assume swingers to liberal sexually and politically. .Not true.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados


"Here's a question.

Is this site as a whole disproportionately filled with hard right people, or is it just of the people who regularly post in the politics forum?

I'd seriously worry for society if this was a representative sample.

I would actually say there is pretty much everyone from every place on the political spectrum on here. The one thing being that unlike your own chosen circle of friends, or the people you interact with on Facebook, Twitter, etc, there are people on here you wouldn't normally interact with.

So for me personally, I thought it too was very hard right on here. Then I realised that actually it wasn't as unbalanced as I first though, but that I'm ore used to being with people who have similar views to myself (more central / left).

But as a whole, yes the world does seem to be moving more right wing, and much of the mainstream news is controlled by right wing people, so I think there are more right-wingers on here.

-Matt

Virtue signallers outnumber everybody. Aren't you sweet "

I don't think 'virtue signalling' means what you think it means.

-Matt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Here's a question.

Is this site as a whole disproportionately filled with hard right people, or is it just of the people who regularly post in the politics forum?

I'd seriously worry for society if this was a representative sample.

I would actually say there is pretty much everyone from every place on the political spectrum on here. The one thing being that unlike your own chosen circle of friends, or the people you interact with on Facebook, Twitter, etc, there are people on here you wouldn't normally interact with.

So for me personally, I thought it too was very hard right on here. Then I realised that actually it wasn't as unbalanced as I first though, but that I'm ore used to being with people who have similar views to myself (more central / left).

But as a whole, yes the world does seem to be moving more right wing, and much of the mainstream news is controlled by right wing people, so I think there are more right-wingers on here.

-Matt

Virtue signallers outnumber everybody. Aren't you sweet

I don't think 'virtue signalling' means what you think it means.

-Matt"

Whatever. There might be one or two people on here who are either far left or far right but mainly it seems to be split between people who think that all problems can be solved by being soft and cuddly and that money grows on trees and people who are more realistic and take a common sense approach to things

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados


"Here's a question.

Is this site as a whole disproportionately filled with hard right people, or is it just of the people who regularly post in the politics forum?

I'd seriously worry for society if this was a representative sample.

I would actually say there is pretty much everyone from every place on the political spectrum on here. The one thing being that unlike your own chosen circle of friends, or the people you interact with on Facebook, Twitter, etc, there are people on here you wouldn't normally interact with.

So for me personally, I thought it too was very hard right on here. Then I realised that actually it wasn't as unbalanced as I first though, but that I'm ore used to being with people who have similar views to myself (more central / left).

But as a whole, yes the world does seem to be moving more right wing, and much of the mainstream news is controlled by right wing people, so I think there are more right-wingers on here.

-Matt

Virtue signallers outnumber everybody. Aren't you sweet

I don't think 'virtue signalling' means what you think it means.

-Matt

Whatever. There might be one or two people on here who are either far left or far right but mainly it seems to be split between people who think that all problems can be solved by being soft and cuddly and that money grows on trees and people who are more realistic and take a common sense approach to things"

Alas, common sense seems to be lacking in a lot of people. Both here and in the country in general.

-Matt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For many politics is a knee jerk reaction.....The less educated the more i feel you drift to the .......Oh i am not falling into this trap...am i ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Here's a question.

Is this site as a whole disproportionately filled with hard right people, or is it just of the people who regularly post in the politics forum?

I'd seriously worry for society if this was a representative sample.

I would actually say there is pretty much everyone from every place on the political spectrum on here. The one thing being that unlike your own chosen circle of friends, or the people you interact with on Facebook, Twitter, etc, there are people on here you wouldn't normally interact with.

So for me personally, I thought it too was very hard right on here. Then I realised that actually it wasn't as unbalanced as I first though, but that I'm ore used to being with people who have similar views to myself (more central / left).

But as a whole, yes the world does seem to be moving more right wing, and much of the mainstream news is controlled by right wing people, so I think there are more right-wingers on here.

-Matt

Virtue signallers outnumber everybody. Aren't you sweet

I don't think 'virtue signalling' means what you think it means.

-Matt

Whatever. There might be one or two people on here who are either far left or far right but mainly it seems to be split between people who think that all problems can be solved by being soft and cuddly and that money grows on trees and people who are more realistic and take a common sense approach to things"
Like brexit is common sense..

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

You can tell when someone's spent too much time listening to the hard right when they start using catchphrases like 'virtue signalling'

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By *utandbigMan
over a year ago

Bournemouth


"Here's a question.

Is this site as a whole disproportionately filled with hard right people, or is it just of the people who regularly post in the politics forum?

I'd seriously worry for society if this was a representative sample.

I would actually say there is pretty much everyone from every place on the political spectrum on here. The one thing being that unlike your own chosen circle of friends, or the people you interact with on Facebook, Twitter, etc, there are people on here you wouldn't normally interact with.

So for me personally, I thought it too was very hard right on here. Then I realised that actually it wasn't as unbalanced as I first though, but that I'm ore used to being with people who have similar views to myself (more central / left).

But as a whole, yes the world does seem to be moving more right wing, and much of the mainstream news is controlled by right wing people, so I think there are more right-wingers on here.

-Matt

Virtue signallers outnumber everybody. Aren't you sweet

I don't think 'virtue signalling' means what you think it means.

-Matt

Whatever. There might be one or two people on here who are either far left or far right but mainly it seems to be split between people who think that all problems can be solved by being soft and cuddly and that money grows on trees and people who are more realistic and take a common sense approach to things"

Also lots of people in here that talk a load of crap and think there never wrong

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I think the posters here are more heavily loaded to a more extreme right wing ideology. There are a few things that we know generally about such people - they have lower intelligence levels, are less empathetic and have less flexibility being more risk agrees. Also those that have tend to be less generous and to be more aggressive, often sensing anything that they might perceive as different to themselves as a threat - social generosity, equality and other traits that ate often associated with cultural well-being, such as in some Scandinavian countries.

Right winters tend to be lou, perhaps bores and selfish as friends, if you're different and labels such as the 'nasty' party get used to describe them.

Others with a more generous and liberal spirit can use their higher intelligence to quickly assimilate the futility of interacting with such caustic individuals, leaving them to slop around in the right wing pig shit that is their constant effluent, accompanied by unpleasant gaseous matter.

I don't visit this forum much but do notice consistent trends.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

A few typos, due to low battery level and dimmer screen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A few typos, due to low battery level and dimmer screen."

Bollocks. It's your intelligence level

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Here's a question.

Is this site as a whole disproportionately filled with hard right people, or is it just of the people who regularly post in the politics forum?

I'd seriously worry for society if this was a representative sample.

I would actually say there is pretty much everyone from every place on the political spectrum on here. The one thing being that unlike your own chosen circle of friends, or the people you interact with on Facebook, Twitter, etc, there are people on here you wouldn't normally interact with.

So for me personally, I thought it too was very hard right on here. Then I realised that actually it wasn't as unbalanced as I first though, but that I'm ore used to being with people who have similar views to myself (more central / left).

But as a whole, yes the world does seem to be moving more right wing, and much of the mainstream news is controlled by right wing people, so I think there are more right-wingers on here.

-Matt

Virtue signallers outnumber everybody. Aren't you sweet

I don't think 'virtue signalling' means what you think it means.

-Matt

Whatever. There might be one or two people on here who are either far left or far right but mainly it seems to be split between people who think that all problems can be solved by being soft and cuddly and that money grows on trees and people who are more realistic and take a common sense approach to things

Also lots of people in here that talk a load of crap and think there never wrong "

There? What are you ever wrong about?

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By *utandbigMan
over a year ago

Bournemouth


"Here's a question.

Is this site as a whole disproportionately filled with hard right people, or is it just of the people who regularly post in the politics forum?

I'd seriously worry for society if this was a representative sample.

I would actually say there is pretty much everyone from every place on the political spectrum on here. The one thing being that unlike your own chosen circle of friends, or the people you interact with on Facebook, Twitter, etc, there are people on here you wouldn't normally interact with.

So for me personally, I thought it too was very hard right on here. Then I realised that actually it wasn't as unbalanced as I first though, but that I'm ore used to being with people who have similar views to myself (more central / left).

But as a whole, yes the world does seem to be moving more right wing, and much of the mainstream news is controlled by right wing people, so I think there are more right-wingers on here.

-Matt

Virtue signallers outnumber everybody. Aren't you sweet

I don't think 'virtue signalling' means what you think it means.

-Matt

Whatever. There might be one or two people on here who are either far left or far right but mainly it seems to be split between people who think that all problems can be solved by being soft and cuddly and that money grows on trees and people who are more realistic and take a common sense approach to things

Also lots of people in here that talk a load of crap and think there never wrong

There? What are you ever wrong about?"

Problem with people like you

You have been blabbing your mouth off before the election about massive majority's for the Tories and you got it wrong

And your still talking crap afterwards

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin


"You can tell when someone's spent too much time listening to the hard right when they start using catchphrases like 'virtue signalling' "

Without knowing what it means as well.

Its so, so embarrassing watching someone think they're being clever when they're not.

Virtue signalling, for anyone not aware *cough* is talking about how moral you are purely or primarily to increase your social standing. In a mixed view forum like this virtue signalling is pointless and unusable because any expression of a viewpoint will both increase and decrease your acceptance with one side or the other.

The hard right uses the phrase virtue signalling as a way of dismissing the views of people they see as more moral than they are to alleviate their own guilt about not caring about others. If they can discount another persons view that shows empathy towards others as being fake, then they dont feel bad about not sharing that concern for others.

As humans are a social and community focused animal dismissing the hardship and needs of others directly doesnt sit well with us. Seeing others show that human side instead of pure selfishness creates cognitive dissonance. The only 2 ways to resolve it is to accept a new more humane outlook or to see the compassion as wrong in some way.

Humans also hate to be wrong, the brain will release a chemical that makes us feel bad when we're wrong about things. Usually we avoid this by making careful decisions and weighing evidence but these days people have their own echo chambers who will use false information or mis used ideas like virtue signalling to shield them from the feeling of being wrong.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Here's a question.

Is this site as a whole disproportionately filled with hard right people, or is it just of the people who regularly post in the politics forum?

I'd seriously worry for society if this was a representative sample.

I would actually say there is pretty much everyone from every place on the political spectrum on here. The one thing being that unlike your own chosen circle of friends, or the people you interact with on Facebook, Twitter, etc, there are people on here you wouldn't normally interact with.

So for me personally, I thought it too was very hard right on here. Then I realised that actually it wasn't as unbalanced as I first though, but that I'm ore used to being with people who have similar views to myself (more central / left).

But as a whole, yes the world does seem to be moving more right wing, and much of the mainstream news is controlled by right wing people, so I think there are more right-wingers on here.

-Matt

Virtue signallers outnumber everybody. Aren't you sweet

I don't think 'virtue signalling' means what you think it means.

-Matt

Whatever. There might be one or two people on here who are either far left or far right but mainly it seems to be split between people who think that all problems can be solved by being soft and cuddly and that money grows on trees and people who are more realistic and take a common sense approach to things

Also lots of people in here that talk a load of crap and think there never wrong

There? What are you ever wrong about?

Problem with people like you

You have been blabbing your mouth off before the election about massive majority's for the Tories and you got it wrong

And your still talking crap afterwards "

As I recall you were blabbing your mouth off about a Labour win.....and you got it wrong. Tell us how much money did you end up losing down the bookies after you put that bet on Labour winning?

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By *utandbigMan
over a year ago

Bournemouth


"Here's a question.

Is this site as a whole disproportionately filled with hard right people, or is it just of the people who regularly post in the politics forum?

I'd seriously worry for society if this was a representative sample.

I would actually say there is pretty much everyone from every place on the political spectrum on here. The one thing being that unlike your own chosen circle of friends, or the people you interact with on Facebook, Twitter, etc, there are people on here you wouldn't normally interact with.

So for me personally, I thought it too was very hard right on here. Then I realised that actually it wasn't as unbalanced as I first though, but that I'm ore used to being with people who have similar views to myself (more central / left).

But as a whole, yes the world does seem to be moving more right wing, and much of the mainstream news is controlled by right wing people, so I think there are more right-wingers on here.

-Matt

Virtue signallers outnumber everybody. Aren't you sweet

I don't think 'virtue signalling' means what you think it means.

-Matt

Whatever. There might be one or two people on here who are either far left or far right but mainly it seems to be split between people who think that all problems can be solved by being soft and cuddly and that money grows on trees and people who are more realistic and take a common sense approach to things

Also lots of people in here that talk a load of crap and think there never wrong

There? What are you ever wrong about?

Problem with people like you

You have been blabbing your mouth off before the election about massive majority's for the Tories and you got it wrong

And your still talking crap afterwards

As I recall you were blabbing your mouth off about a Labour win.....and you got it wrong. Tell us how much money did you end up losing down the bookies after you put that bet on Labour winning? "

Think you must have the wrong person I never blabbed off about labour winning and I certainly don't bet at all maybe once a year on the national

So don't no where you got that from mind you everything you go about is a load of rubbish so it's no suprise you have got something else wrong

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Here's a question.

Is this site as a whole disproportionately filled with hard right people, or is it just of the people who regularly post in the politics forum?

I'd seriously worry for society if this was a representative sample. "

I would say there are people who think they know everything, those who are closed minded, arrogant and opinionated. The 'your talking bollocks' keyboard warriors hiding behind their computer screens

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By *utandbigMan
over a year ago

Bournemouth


"Here's a question.

Is this site as a whole disproportionately filled with hard right people, or is it just of the people who regularly post in the politics forum?

I'd seriously worry for society if this was a representative sample.

I would say there are people who think they know everything, those who are closed minded, arrogant and opinionated. The 'your talking bollocks' keyboard warriors hiding behind their computer screens "
very true

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Here's a question.

Is this site as a whole disproportionately filled with hard right people, or is it just of the people who regularly post in the politics forum?

I'd seriously worry for society if this was a representative sample.

I would actually say there is pretty much everyone from every place on the political spectrum on here. The one thing being that unlike your own chosen circle of friends, or the people you interact with on Facebook, Twitter, etc, there are people on here you wouldn't normally interact with.

So for me personally, I thought it too was very hard right on here. Then I realised that actually it wasn't as unbalanced as I first though, but that I'm ore used to being with people who have similar views to myself (more central / left).

But as a whole, yes the world does seem to be moving more right wing, and much of the mainstream news is controlled by right wing people, so I think there are more right-wingers on here.

-Matt

Virtue signallers outnumber everybody. Aren't you sweet

I don't think 'virtue signalling' means what you think it means.

-Matt

Whatever. There might be one or two people on here who are either far left or far right but mainly it seems to be split between people who think that all problems can be solved by being soft and cuddly and that money grows on trees and people who are more realistic and take a common sense approach to things

Also lots of people in here that talk a load of crap and think there never wrong

There? What are you ever wrong about?

Problem with people like you

You have been blabbing your mouth off before the election about massive majority's for the Tories and you got it wrong

And your still talking crap afterwards "

I talked of a massive majority for the Tories to wind people like yourself up. But even though the Tories made a mess of the campaign, didn't explain their manifesto properly and Labour promised the earth to all and sundry, remind me again how many seats each party got?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You can tell when someone's spent too much time listening to the hard right when they start using catchphrases like 'virtue signalling'

Without knowing what it means as well.

Its so, so embarrassing watching someone think they're being clever when they're not.

Virtue signalling, for anyone not aware *cough* is talking about how moral you are purely or primarily to increase your social standing. In a mixed view forum like this virtue signalling is pointless and unusable because any expression of a viewpoint will both increase and decrease your acceptance with one side or the other.

The hard right uses the phrase virtue signalling as a way of dismissing the views of people they see as more moral than they are to alleviate their own guilt about not caring about others. If they can discount another persons view that shows empathy towards others as being fake, then they dont feel bad about not sharing that concern for others.

As humans are a social and community focused animal dismissing the hardship and needs of others directly doesnt sit well with us. Seeing others show that human side instead of pure selfishness creates cognitive dissonance. The only 2 ways to resolve it is to accept a new more humane outlook or to see the compassion as wrong in some way.

Humans also hate to be wrong, the brain will release a chemical that makes us feel bad when we're wrong about things. Usually we avoid this by making careful decisions and weighing evidence but these days people have their own echo chambers who will use false information or mis used ideas like virtue signalling to shield them from the feeling of being wrong."

Are you virtue signalling?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We all got different views, it would be boring if everyone would think the same lol.

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin


"You can tell when someone's spent too much time listening to the hard right when they start using catchphrases like 'virtue signalling'

Without knowing what it means as well.

Its so, so embarrassing watching someone think they're being clever when they're not.

Virtue signalling, for anyone not aware *cough* is talking about how moral you are purely or primarily to increase your social standing. In a mixed view forum like this virtue signalling is pointless and unusable because any expression of a viewpoint will both increase and decrease your acceptance with one side or the other.

The hard right uses the phrase virtue signalling as a way of dismissing the views of people they see as more moral than they are to alleviate their own guilt about not caring about others. If they can discount another persons view that shows empathy towards others as being fake, then they dont feel bad about not sharing that concern for others.

As humans are a social and community focused animal dismissing the hardship and needs of others directly doesnt sit well with us. Seeing others show that human side instead of pure selfishness creates cognitive dissonance. The only 2 ways to resolve it is to accept a new more humane outlook or to see the compassion as wrong in some way.

Humans also hate to be wrong, the brain will release a chemical that makes us feel bad when we're wrong about things. Usually we avoid this by making careful decisions and weighing evidence but these days people have their own echo chambers who will use false information or mis used ideas like virtue signalling to shield them from the feeling of being wrong.

Are you virtue signalling?"

Are you pretending to not understand? Because its hard to tell the difference between that and all the times you genuinely dont understand things?

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"Here's a question.

Is this site as a whole disproportionately filled with hard right people, or is it just of the people who regularly post in the politics forum?

I'd seriously worry for society if this was a representative sample. "

Good question...

It is not just this forum, but the forums here are a good approximation of what has and is happening in society. Just look here, the majority in the Lounge were so fed up with right wing dogma and the likes of me continually calling it out that we were banished to the basement of the forums!

Truth is there are a number of people with extreme right wing ideas who believe they are really moderates although much of their politics comes straight out of Mien Kampf. I am sure most of them would be mortified if they realised exactly how far they have drifted to the right, however they have been indoctrinated for over 30 years and have come to believe their own propagandists. They believe that anything slightly left of centre and socialist in outlook is really communist. As a result of this drift to the right the majority have turned their back on politics and this has accentuated the move towards the extreme as moderates abandon the Conservative party.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Here's a question.

Is this site as a whole disproportionately filled with hard right people, or is it just of the people who regularly post in the politics forum?

I'd seriously worry for society if this was a representative sample.

Good question...

It is not just this forum, but the forums here are a good approximation of what has and is happening in society. Just look here, the majority in the Lounge were so fed up with right wing dogma and the likes of me continually calling it out that we were banished to the basement of the forums!

Truth is there are a number of people with extreme right wing ideas who believe they are really moderates although much of their politics comes straight out of Mien Kampf. I am sure most of them would be mortified if they realised exactly how far they have drifted to the right, however they have been indoctrinated for over 30 years and have come to believe their own propagandists. They believe that anything slightly left of centre and socialist in outlook is really communist. As a result of this drift to the right the majority have turned their back on politics and this has accentuated the move towards the extreme as moderates abandon the Conservative party. "

The very people you support and associate with on the hard left have been behaving like Nazi fascists. Like something straight out of Mien Kampf, and the Nazi practice of burning books of ideas, ideologies and opinions they disagree with social media was awash on election day with pics of militant far left momentum Corbyn supporters buying up huge amounts of copies of the Daily Mail and The Sun and burning them just like the Nazi's used to make bonfires to burn material they disagreed with. It's about time people on the left and people like you in particular took a long hard look in the mirror.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Here's a question.

Is this site as a whole disproportionately filled with hard right people, or is it just of the people who regularly post in the politics forum?

I'd seriously worry for society if this was a representative sample.

Good question...

It is not just this forum, but the forums here are a good approximation of what has and is happening in society. Just look here, the majority in the Lounge were so fed up with right wing dogma and the likes of me continually calling it out that we were banished to the basement of the forums!

Truth is there are a number of people with extreme right wing ideas who believe they are really moderates although much of their politics comes straight out of Mien Kampf. I am sure most of them would be mortified if they realised exactly how far they have drifted to the right, however they have been indoctrinated for over 30 years and have come to believe their own propagandists. They believe that anything slightly left of centre and socialist in outlook is really communist. As a result of this drift to the right the majority have turned their back on politics and this has accentuated the move towards the extreme as moderates abandon the Conservative party.

The very people you support and associate with on the hard left have been behaving like Nazi fascists. Like something straight out of Mien Kampf, and the Nazi practice of burning books of ideas, ideologies and opinions they disagree with social media was awash on election day with pics of militant far left momentum Corbyn supporters buying up huge amounts of copies of the Daily Mail and The Sun and burning them just like the Nazi's used to make bonfires to burn material they disagreed with. It's about time people on the left and people like you in particular took a long hard look in the mirror. "
Good and Fair Point !

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin


"Here's a question.

Is this site as a whole disproportionately filled with hard right people, or is it just of the people who regularly post in the politics forum?

I'd seriously worry for society if this was a representative sample.

Good question...

It is not just this forum, but the forums here are a good approximation of what has and is happening in society. Just look here, the majority in the Lounge were so fed up with right wing dogma and the likes of me continually calling it out that we were banished to the basement of the forums!

Truth is there are a number of people with extreme right wing ideas who believe they are really moderates although much of their politics comes straight out of Mien Kampf. I am sure most of them would be mortified if they realised exactly how far they have drifted to the right, however they have been indoctrinated for over 30 years and have come to believe their own propagandists. They believe that anything slightly left of centre and socialist in outlook is really communist. As a result of this drift to the right the majority have turned their back on politics and this has accentuated the move towards the extreme as moderates abandon the Conservative party.

The very people you support and associate with on the hard left have been behaving like Nazi fascists. Like something straight out of Mien Kampf, and the Nazi practice of burning books of ideas, ideologies and opinions they disagree with social media was awash on election day with pics of militant far left momentum Corbyn supporters buying up huge amounts of copies of the Daily Mail and The Sun and burning them just like the Nazi's used to make bonfires to burn material they disagreed with. It's about time people on the left and people like you in particular took a long hard look in the mirror. "

Yes the people that bought papers to prevent others from seeing the headline were wrong.

But you are blowing it out of proportion. It was a handful of people and the most any individual bought was 13 copies. Wrong but hardly widespread or significant. Especially when compared with the amount of lies and disinformation spread by the Sun and Mail each day.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"Here's a question.

Is this site as a whole disproportionately filled with hard right people, or is it just of the people who regularly post in the politics forum?

I'd seriously worry for society if this was a representative sample.

Good question...

It is not just this forum, but the forums here are a good approximation of what has and is happening in society. Just look here, the majority in the Lounge were so fed up with right wing dogma and the likes of me continually calling it out that we were banished to the basement of the forums!

Truth is there are a number of people with extreme right wing ideas who believe they are really moderates although much of their politics comes straight out of Mien Kampf. I am sure most of them would be mortified if they realised exactly how far they have drifted to the right, however they have been indoctrinated for over 30 years and have come to believe their own propagandists. They believe that anything slightly left of centre and socialist in outlook is really communist. As a result of this drift to the right the majority have turned their back on politics and this has accentuated the move towards the extreme as moderates abandon the Conservative party.

The very people you support and associate with on the hard left have been behaving like Nazi fascists. Like something straight out of Mien Kampf, and the Nazi practice of burning books of ideas, ideologies and opinions they disagree with social media was awash on election day with pics of militant far left momentum Corbyn supporters buying up huge amounts of copies of the Daily Mail and The Sun and burning them just like the Nazi's used to make bonfires to burn material they disagreed with. It's about time people on the left and people like you in particular took a long hard look in the mirror. "

This is brilliant.

Calm down, you'll give yourself an aneurism.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados


"Here's a question.

Is this site as a whole disproportionately filled with hard right people, or is it just of the people who regularly post in the politics forum?

I'd seriously worry for society if this was a representative sample.

Good question...

It is not just this forum, but the forums here are a good approximation of what has and is happening in society. Just look here, the majority in the Lounge were so fed up with right wing dogma and the likes of me continually calling it out that we were banished to the basement of the forums!

Truth is there are a number of people with extreme right wing ideas who believe they are really moderates although much of their politics comes straight out of Mien Kampf. I am sure most of them would be mortified if they realised exactly how far they have drifted to the right, however they have been indoctrinated for over 30 years and have come to believe their own propagandists. They believe that anything slightly left of centre and socialist in outlook is really communist. As a result of this drift to the right the majority have turned their back on politics and this has accentuated the move towards the extreme as moderates abandon the Conservative party.

The very people you support and associate with on the hard left have been behaving like Nazi fascists. Like something straight out of Mien Kampf, and the Nazi practice of burning books of ideas, ideologies and opinions they disagree with social media was awash on election day with pics of militant far left momentum Corbyn supporters buying up huge amounts of copies of the Daily Mail and The Sun and burning them just like the Nazi's used to make bonfires to burn material they disagreed with. It's about time people on the left and people like you in particular took a long hard look in the mirror. Good and Fair Point !"

No. It really isn't a good and fair point. As explained above. It is mainly based on exaggerating what happened last week and trying to compare the protest acts of a few people to a dictator's regime of censorship.

And this shows exactly the problem. People like Centaur are so worked up that they take anything and exaggerate it to such an extreme to make their point. Luckily as shown by the election results, more and more people are just ignoring this bullshit, and realising that most of them are just rabid right-wing nutters.

-Matt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can centaur go further right without falling off the edge into the abyss.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Here's a question.

Is this site as a whole disproportionately filled with hard right people, or is it just of the people who regularly post in the politics forum?

I'd seriously worry for society if this was a representative sample.

Good question...

It is not just this forum, but the forums here are a good approximation of what has and is happening in society. Just look here, the majority in the Lounge were so fed up with right wing dogma and the likes of me continually calling it out that we were banished to the basement of the forums!

Truth is there are a number of people with extreme right wing ideas who believe they are really moderates although much of their politics comes straight out of Mien Kampf. I am sure most of them would be mortified if they realised exactly how far they have drifted to the right, however they have been indoctrinated for over 30 years and have come to believe their own propagandists. They believe that anything slightly left of centre and socialist in outlook is really communist. As a result of this drift to the right the majority have turned their back on politics and this has accentuated the move towards the extreme as moderates abandon the Conservative party.

The very people you support and associate with on the hard left have been behaving like Nazi fascists. Like something straight out of Mien Kampf, and the Nazi practice of burning books of ideas, ideologies and opinions they disagree with social media was awash on election day with pics of militant far left momentum Corbyn supporters buying up huge amounts of copies of the Daily Mail and The Sun and burning them just like the Nazi's used to make bonfires to burn material they disagreed with. It's about time people on the left and people like you in particular took a long hard look in the mirror. Good and Fair Point !

No. It really isn't a good and fair point. As explained above. It is mainly based on exaggerating what happened last week and trying to compare the protest acts of a few people to a dictator's regime of censorship.

And this shows exactly the problem. People like Centaur are so worked up that they take anything and exaggerate it to such an extreme to make their point. Luckily as shown by the election results.....

-Matt"

The election results that saw Theresa May and the conservatives get more votes than Margaret Thatcher ever did and a higher share of the vote than Tony Blair did. 318 seats compared to Labour's 262. 42% share of the vote compared to Labours 40% share of the vote. Those results.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Here's a question.

Is this site as a whole disproportionately filled with hard right people, or is it just of the people who regularly post in the politics forum?

I'd seriously worry for society if this was a representative sample.

Good question...

It is not just this forum, but the forums here are a good approximation of what has and is happening in society. Just look here, the majority in the Lounge were so fed up with right wing dogma and the likes of me continually calling it out that we were banished to the basement of the forums!

Truth is there are a number of people with extreme right wing ideas who believe they are really moderates although much of their politics comes straight out of Mien Kampf. I am sure most of them would be mortified if they realised exactly how far they have drifted to the right, however they have been indoctrinated for over 30 years and have come to believe their own propagandists. They believe that anything slightly left of centre and socialist in outlook is really communist. As a result of this drift to the right the majority have turned their back on politics and this has accentuated the move towards the extreme as moderates abandon the Conservative party.

The very people you support and associate with on the hard left have been behaving like Nazi fascists. Like something straight out of Mien Kampf, and the Nazi practice of burning books of ideas, ideologies and opinions they disagree with social media was awash on election day with pics of militant far left momentum Corbyn supporters buying up huge amounts of copies of the Daily Mail and The Sun and burning them just like the Nazi's used to make bonfires to burn material they disagreed with. It's about time people on the left and people like you in particular took a long hard look in the mirror. Good and Fair Point !

No. It really isn't a good and fair point. As explained above. It is mainly based on exaggerating what happened last week and trying to compare the protest acts of a few people to a dictator's regime of censorship.

And this shows exactly the problem. People like Centaur are so worked up that they take anything and exaggerate it to such an extreme to make their point. Luckily as shown by the election results.....

-Matt

The election results that saw Theresa May and the conservatives get more votes than Margaret Thatcher ever did and a higher share of the vote than Tony Blair did. 318 seats compared to Labour's 262. 42% share of the vote compared to Labours 40% share of the vote. Those results. "

Some people are living in a strange parallel world

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados


"Here's a question.

Is this site as a whole disproportionately filled with hard right people, or is it just of the people who regularly post in the politics forum?

I'd seriously worry for society if this was a representative sample.

Good question...

It is not just this forum, but the forums here are a good approximation of what has and is happening in society. Just look here, the majority in the Lounge were so fed up with right wing dogma and the likes of me continually calling it out that we were banished to the basement of the forums!

Truth is there are a number of people with extreme right wing ideas who believe they are really moderates although much of their politics comes straight out of Mien Kampf. I am sure most of them would be mortified if they realised exactly how far they have drifted to the right, however they have been indoctrinated for over 30 years and have come to believe their own propagandists. They believe that anything slightly left of centre and socialist in outlook is really communist. As a result of this drift to the right the majority have turned their back on politics and this has accentuated the move towards the extreme as moderates abandon the Conservative party.

The very people you support and associate with on the hard left have been behaving like Nazi fascists. Like something straight out of Mien Kampf, and the Nazi practice of burning books of ideas, ideologies and opinions they disagree with social media was awash on election day with pics of militant far left momentum Corbyn supporters buying up huge amounts of copies of the Daily Mail and The Sun and burning them just like the Nazi's used to make bonfires to burn material they disagreed with. It's about time people on the left and people like you in particular took a long hard look in the mirror. Good and Fair Point !

No. It really isn't a good and fair point. As explained above. It is mainly based on exaggerating what happened last week and trying to compare the protest acts of a few people to a dictator's regime of censorship.

And this shows exactly the problem. People like Centaur are so worked up that they take anything and exaggerate it to such an extreme to make their point. Luckily as shown by the election results.....

-Matt

The election results that saw Theresa May and the conservatives get more votes than Margaret Thatcher ever did and a higher share of the vote than Tony Blair did. 318 seats compared to Labour's 262. 42% share of the vote compared to Labours 40% share of the vote. Those results. "

..aaaaaaand still completely fucked their 20 point lead and couldn't get a majority. Yes, those results.

-Matt

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin

Left: Things arent going well for the Tories

Right: But we won the election

Left: Yes but the majorities reduced, things are more unstab-

Right:WE WON THE ELECTION!!!11

Left: Yes we all saw, you won, but we dont look prepared for Brexit, the DUP are a worringly strong influe

Right: WHY CANT YOU ACCEPT WE WON THE ELECTION????

Left: Yes you won, but there are still other issues and the election has thrown up new ones and-

Right: YOURE ALL NAZIS!!! ACCEPT WE WON!!! WE HAVE NO PROBLEMS AND CRITICISING ANYTHING MEANS YOUR TRAITORS!!!

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By *wingtolifeCouple
over a year ago

who knows

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados


"Left: Things arent going well for the Tories

Right: But we won the election

Left: Yes but the majorities reduced, things are more unstab-

Right:WE WON THE ELECTION!!!11

Left: Yes we all saw, you won, but we dont look prepared for Brexit, the DUP are a worringly strong influe

Right: WHY CANT YOU ACCEPT WE WON THE ELECTION????

Left: Yes you won, but there are still other issues and the election has thrown up new ones and-

Right: YOURE ALL NAZIS!!! ACCEPT WE WON!!! WE HAVE NO PROBLEMS AND CRITICISING ANYTHING MEANS YOUR TRAITORS!!! "

pmsl... sounds about right.

-Matt

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"For many politics is a knee jerk reaction.....The less educated the more i feel you drift to the .......Oh i am not falling into this trap...am i ? "

I'll finish it for you.

The less educated they are the more they seem to support populist, simplistic solutions that aren't backed up by analysis, evidence or past experience. This applies equally to those on the left or the right.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Left: Things arent going well for the Tories

Right: But we won the election

Left: Yes but the majorities reduced, things are more unstab-

Right:WE WON THE ELECTION!!!11

Left: Yes we all saw, you won, but we dont look prepared for Brexit, the DUP are a worringly strong influe

Right: WHY CANT YOU ACCEPT WE WON THE ELECTION????

Left: Yes you won, but there are still other issues and the election has thrown up new ones and-

Right: YOURE ALL NAZIS!!! ACCEPT WE WON!!! WE HAVE NO PROBLEMS AND CRITICISING ANYTHING MEANS YOUR TRAITORS!!! "

I thought we had already established earlier in the thread it is the left who are behaving like Nazi's burning copies of The Sun and the Daily Mail.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"Here's a question.

Is this site as a whole disproportionately filled with hard right people, or is it just of the people who regularly post in the politics forum?

I'd seriously worry for society if this was a representative sample.

I would actually say there is pretty much everyone from every place on the political spectrum on here. The one thing being that unlike your own chosen circle of friends, or the people you interact with on Facebook, Twitter, etc, there are people on here you wouldn't normally interact with.

So for me personally, I thought it too was very hard right on here. Then I realised that actually it wasn't as unbalanced as I first though, but that I'm ore used to being with people who have similar views to myself (more central / left).

But as a whole, yes the world does seem to be moving more right wing, and much of the mainstream news is controlled by right wing people, so I think there are more right-wingers on here.

-Matt

Virtue signallers outnumber everybody. Aren't you sweet

I don't think 'virtue signalling' means what you think it means.

-Matt

Whatever. There might be one or two people on here who are either far left or far right but mainly it seems to be split between people who think that all problems can be solved by being soft and cuddly and that money grows on trees and people who are more realistic and take a common sense approach to things

Also lots of people in here that talk a load of crap and think there never wrong

There? What are you ever wrong about?

Problem with people like you

You have been blabbing your mouth off before the election about massive majority's for the Tories and you got it wrong

And your still talking crap afterwards

I talked of a massive majority for the Tories to wind people like yourself up. But even though the Tories made a mess of the campaign, didn't explain their manifesto properly and Labour promised the earth to all and sundry, remind me again how many seats each party got?"

It's a bit of a shallow victory when you end up with less after the campaign than you had before you started, don't you think?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

There was a very strong correlation in all the polling between the proportion of graduates in a constituency and the percentage swing to Labour.

Also lots of previous evidence to show that higher IQ correlates with more left leaning politics.

Not stating causation, just the evidence of correlation. I'll let you all make up your own minds (might be easier for some than others)

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"We all got different views, it would be boring if everyone would think the same lol."

Unless they agree with me, in which case it would be fine.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"Here's a question.

Is this site as a whole disproportionately filled with hard right people, or is it just of the people who regularly post in the politics forum?

I'd seriously worry for society if this was a representative sample.

Good question...

It is not just this forum, but the forums here are a good approximation of what has and is happening in society. Just look here, the majority in the Lounge were so fed up with right wing dogma and the likes of me continually calling it out that we were banished to the basement of the forums!

Truth is there are a number of people with extreme right wing ideas who believe they are really moderates although much of their politics comes straight out of Mien Kampf. I am sure most of them would be mortified if they realised exactly how far they have drifted to the right, however they have been indoctrinated for over 30 years and have come to believe their own propagandists. They believe that anything slightly left of centre and socialist in outlook is really communist. As a result of this drift to the right the majority have turned their back on politics and this has accentuated the move towards the extreme as moderates abandon the Conservative party.

The very people you support and associate with on the hard left have been behaving like Nazi fascists. Like something straight out of Mien Kampf, and the Nazi practice of burning books of ideas, ideologies and opinions they disagree with social media was awash on election day with pics of militant far left momentum Corbyn supporters buying up huge amounts of copies of the Daily Mail and The Sun and burning them just like the Nazi's used to make bonfires to burn material they disagreed with. It's about time people on the left and people like you in particular took a long hard look in the mirror. "

I agree with you that many on the left, some even on here, are no better when it comes to debating with those they don't agree with than anyone else.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"There was a very strong correlation in all the polling between the proportion of graduates in a constituency and the percentage swing to Labour.

Also lots of previous evidence to show that higher IQ correlates with more left leaning politics.

Not stating causation, just the evidence of correlation. I'll let you all make up your own minds (might be easier for some than others)"

That is the inexperience of youth. Wisdom comes with age and experience and older voters tend to be more Conservative and right leaning in their views.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"There was a very strong correlation in all the polling between the proportion of graduates in a constituency and the percentage swing to Labour.

Also lots of previous evidence to show that higher IQ correlates with more left leaning politics.

Not stating causation, just the evidence of correlation. I'll let you all make up your own minds (might be easier for some than others)

That is the inexperience of youth. Wisdom comes with age and experience and older voters tend to be more Conservative and right leaning in their views. "

I think it's got more to do with Labour offering them £30,000 in student debt relief while the Conservatives offered then the right to cry "Harry, George and England". Either, if not stopped, will wreck the economy. Given that choice I might of voted Labour to.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Of course, not all who gain years really assimilate the knowledge that's accrued in a fashion that's probably perceived as attainment of wisdom

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados


"There was a very strong correlation in all the polling between the proportion of graduates in a constituency and the percentage swing to Labour.

Also lots of previous evidence to show that higher IQ correlates with more left leaning politics.

Not stating causation, just the evidence of correlation. I'll let you all make up your own minds (might be easier for some than others)

That is the inexperience of youth. Wisdom comes with age and experience and older voters tend to be more Conservative and right leaning in their views. "

Inexperience of youth? Oh yes, sorry, I forgot we kill off all graduates once they have graduated to prevent them getting any older or wiser.

-Matt

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados


"Left: Things arent going well for the Tories

Right: But we won the election

Left: Yes but the majorities reduced, things are more unstab-

Right:WE WON THE ELECTION!!!11

Left: Yes we all saw, you won, but we dont look prepared for Brexit, the DUP are a worringly strong influe

Right: WHY CANT YOU ACCEPT WE WON THE ELECTION????

Left: Yes you won, but there are still other issues and the election has thrown up new ones and-

Right: YOURE ALL NAZIS!!! ACCEPT WE WON!!! WE HAVE NO PROBLEMS AND CRITICISING ANYTHING MEANS YOUR TRAITORS!!!

I thought we had already established earlier in the thread it is the left who are behaving like Nazi's burning copies of The Sun and the Daily Mail. "

No, you claimed that. And it was counter claimed that there was a handful of people protesting those publications by burning them. That is very different to a government policy and regime of suppression of knowledge by burning books. You just tar 'the left' with that brush as you are too brainwashed and or dim to realise otherwise.

-Matt

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"Here's a question.

Is this site as a whole disproportionately filled with hard right people, or is it just of the people who regularly post in the politics forum?

I'd seriously worry for society if this was a representative sample. "
More lefties on here I reckon

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin


"Left: Things arent going well for the Tories

Right: But we won the election

Left: Yes but the majorities reduced, things are more unstab-

Right:WE WON THE ELECTION!!!11

Left: Yes we all saw, you won, but we dont look prepared for Brexit, the DUP are a worringly strong influe

Right: WHY CANT YOU ACCEPT WE WON THE ELECTION????

Left: Yes you won, but there are still other issues and the election has thrown up new ones and-

Right: YOURE ALL NAZIS!!! ACCEPT WE WON!!! WE HAVE NO PROBLEMS AND CRITICISING ANYTHING MEANS YOUR TRAITORS!!!

I thought we had already established earlier in the thread it is the left who are behaving like Nazi's burning copies of The Sun and the Daily Mail. "

No you pointed to a handful of users on social media who burned a couple dozen copies.

Then you claimed this was representative of all the left and descended into a rage about how a few people burning a couple dozen copies of a newspaper was like Nazi Germany banning and burning books by the millions, completely removing objectionable texts, persecuting dissenters and locking them up.

Why you thought this was a reasonable comparison escapes most of us, but obviously youre a type of guy who lets emotion completely overrun rationality and thats why you launch into these bizarre comparisons that make no sense.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"The very people you support and associate with on the hard left have been behaving like Nazi fascists. Like something straight out of Mien Kampf, and the Nazi practice of burning books of ideas, ideologies and opinions they disagree with social media was awash on election day with pics of militant far left momentum Corbyn supporters buying up huge amounts of copies of the Daily Mail and The Sun and burning them just like the Nazi's used to make bonfires to burn material they disagreed with. It's about time people on the left and people like you in particular took a long hard look in the mirror. "

Really?

I think you eloquently prove my point...

Burning the Vile and the Scum...

You jump to protect the disgusting rag that even after the police admitted they had lied and used press contacts to make false allegations against Liverpool supporters in order to abrogate their responsibility for the Hillsborough disaster still refused to withdraw its claims that Liverpool supports were d*unk and stole from the dead! You also jump to the defence of the Vile, a paper singled out for special mention for it's corruption by The Leveson Inquiry.

Sometimes I despair when it comes to peoples lack of objectivity when it comes to politics...

Unfortunately at the end of the day everything boils down to politics...

Even sex, just nip up to the Lounge and see how many 'safe sex' and 'it wrong to refuse to shag on grounds of colour' threads there are...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" More lefties on here I reckon"

Certainly are from what i've seen

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


" More lefties on here I reckon

Certainly are from what i've seen"

Define a leftie please?

Would someone who says that controls are needed to fix the economy but the poor should not have to bare the cost be a leftie?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" More lefties on here I reckon

Certainly are from what i've seen

Define a leftie please?

Would someone who says that controls are needed to fix the economy but the poor should not have to bare the cost be a leftie?"

The problem is that when people put in place the controls that you are thinking of to fix the economy ie Labours ideas/controls, then the poor do end up bearing the cost and more poor are created. When was the last time that Labour left power with fewer unemployed than when they gained power?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Here's a question.

Is this site as a whole disproportionately filled with hard right people, or is it just of the people who regularly post in the politics forum?

I'd seriously worry for society if this was a representative sample.

I would actually say there is pretty much everyone from every place on the political spectrum on here. The one thing being that unlike your own chosen circle of friends, or the people you interact with on Facebook, Twitter, etc, there are people on here you wouldn't normally interact with.

So for me personally, I thought it too was very hard right on here. Then I realised that actually it wasn't as unbalanced as I first though, but that I'm ore used to being with people who have similar views to myself (more central / left).

But as a whole, yes the world does seem to be moving more right wing, and much of the mainstream news is controlled by right wing people, so I think there are more right-wingers on here.

-Matt"

This lad nailed it. For me I don't have any friends or anyone in my social media who would be a ukip, BNP, EDL type as I would immediately tell them my opinion and remove them from my life. Same but to a lesser degree Tory voters. So over time I am friends with people of similar ideology.

I should imagine the opposite is true for righties too. Hence people like me getting the impression that Fab is a hotbed for right wingers, and yet other people think it's full of loonie lefties.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"The problem is that when people put in place the controls that you are thinking of to fix the economy ie Labours ideas/controls, then the poor do end up bearing the cost and more poor are created. When was the last time that Labour left power with fewer unemployed than when they gained power?"

Funny that...

I knew you were really quite an ignorant ultra right wing blowhard but proving it has been a little difficult till now...

The particular policy I described was called the 'Threshold Agreement' and was implemented by a CONSERVATIVE government led by Edward (Ted) Heath!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The problem is that when people put in place the controls that you are thinking of to fix the economy ie Labours ideas/controls, then the poor do end up bearing the cost and more poor are created. When was the last time that Labour left power with fewer unemployed than when they gained power?

Funny that...

I knew you were really quite an ignorant ultra right wing blowhard but proving it has been a little difficult till now...

The particular policy I described was called the 'Threshold Agreement' and was implemented by a CONSERVATIVE government led by Edward (Ted) Heath! "

I am not an ultra right wing blowhard thank you. Ok I apologise but you didn't actually describe a policy, I didn't realise you were advocating and were a fan of Conservative party policies, you need to make your mind up. I notice you didn't answer the question on unemployment though

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"Ok I apologise but you didn't actually describe a policy, I didn't realise you were advocating and were a fan of Conservative party policies, you need to make your mind up. I notice you didn't answer the question on unemployment though"

Actually I did describe a policy, but never mind...

As for your point about unemployment let me answer you directly...

Prior to Thatcher and her particular brand of Keynesianism we had nearly 100% employment. However the primary requirement for the economic model used for the last 38 years to work is to run an economy with at least 10% unemployment to drive down that particular variable economic cost.

Guess approximately how many of the working age UK population are economically inactive, and guess who benefits from that inactivity...

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


" I am not an ultra right wing blowhard thank you."

Actually you are, shame is you are so indoctrinated don't even know it.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"The problem is that when people put in place the controls that you are thinking of to fix the economy ie Labours ideas/controls, then the poor do end up bearing the cost and more poor are created. When was the last time that Labour left power with fewer unemployed than when they gained power?

Funny that...

I knew you were really quite an ignorant ultra right wing blowhard but proving it has been a little difficult till now...

The particular policy I described was called the 'Threshold Agreement' and was implemented by a CONSERVATIVE government led by Edward (Ted) Heath!

I am not an ultra right wing blowhard thank you. Ok I apologise but you didn't actually describe a policy, I didn't realise you were advocating and were a fan of Conservative party policies, you need to make your mind up. I notice you didn't answer the question on unemployment though"

It's also amazing how so many on the left despise Margaret Thatcher but they love Margaret Thatcher's creation called the EU single market and want to stay in it at any cost.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ok I apologise but you didn't actually describe a policy, I didn't realise you were advocating and were a fan of Conservative party policies, you need to make your mind up. I notice you didn't answer the question on unemployment though

Actually I did describe a policy, but never mind...

As for your point about unemployment let me answer you directly...

Prior to Thatcher and her particular brand of Keynesianism we had nearly 100% employment. However the primary requirement for the economic model used for the last 38 years to work is to run an economy with at least 10% unemployment to drive down that particular variable economic cost.

Guess approximately how many of the working age UK population are economically inactive, and guess who benefits from that inactivity..."

Nearly 100% employment? And you have the nerve to say I've been indoctrinated? You just lost any credibility you had with that statement. You either have a very poor memory or are simply lying here for some strange reason. Unemployment rose under Wilson and from 1974 - 1979 under Callaghan it rose from 976,000 to 1.4 million. Thatcher got a lot wrong but it was Labour and the unions that created her. A Corbyn government would ruin the country again and then we would be back to square one and the need for another Thatcher. Be careful what you wish for

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ok I apologise but you didn't actually describe a policy, I didn't realise you were advocating and were a fan of Conservative party policies, you need to make your mind up. I notice you didn't answer the question on unemployment though

Actually I did describe a policy, but never mind...

As for your point about unemployment let me answer you directly...

Prior to Thatcher and her particular brand of Keynesianism we had nearly 100% employment. However the primary requirement for the economic model used for the last 38 years to work is to run an economy with at least 10% unemployment to drive down that particular variable economic cost.

Guess approximately how many of the working age UK population are economically inactive, and guess who benefits from that inactivity...

Nearly 100% employment? And you have the nerve to say I've been indoctrinated? You just lost any credibility you had with that statement. You either have a very poor memory or are simply lying here for some strange reason. Unemployment rose under Wilson and from 1974 - 1979 under Callaghan it rose from 976,000 to 1.4 million. Thatcher got a lot wrong but it was Labour and the unions that created her. A Corbyn government would ruin the country again and then we would be back to square one and the need for another Thatcher. Be careful what you wish for"

It's a Thatcher, Major, Blair, Cameron and May government that created Corbyn. The same issues existed throughout the times. How many times did Blair defy his Labour leaders?

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin


" More lefties on here I reckon

Certainly are from what i've seen

Define a leftie please?

Would someone who says that controls are needed to fix the economy but the poor should not have to bare the cost be a leftie?

The problem is that when people put in place the controls that you are thinking of to fix the economy ie Labours ideas/controls, then the poor do end up bearing the cost and more poor are created. When was the last time that Labour left power with fewer unemployed than when they gained power?"

Childhood poverty increased every year since Thatcher took power until Blair took over. Childhood poverty decreased every year under Labour and then started rising again under the Tories once they took back power.

Your hollow ideas that left wing policies are bad for the poor are devoid of fact and evidence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" More lefties on here I reckon

Certainly are from what i've seen

Define a leftie please?

Would someone who says that controls are needed to fix the economy but the poor should not have to bare the cost be a leftie?

The problem is that when people put in place the controls that you are thinking of to fix the economy ie Labours ideas/controls, then the poor do end up bearing the cost and more poor are created. When was the last time that Labour left power with fewer unemployed than when they gained power?

Childhood poverty increased every year since Thatcher took power until Blair took over. Childhood poverty decreased every year under Labour and then started rising again under the Tories once they took back power.

Your hollow ideas that left wing policies are bad for the poor are devoid of fact and evidence."

Child poverty my arse

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Firstly, it's really fucking annoying to try and read through blockquotes of entire conversations... Maybe people could just quote the bit that they're responding to IDK?

I think that pigeonholing people into categories like "hard right" can be counterproductive... it might just push people towards a position they're not at already. I do think the whole anti-immigrant sentiment can be traced back to the far right, but it's slowly found its way into the mainstream. Ideological categories are pourous and can bleed into one another. In response to local BNP successes on the early 2000s, the Conservatives, led by the song of refugees fleeing Nazi-occupied Romania, had limits on immigration in its manifesto, which fell mainly on deaf ears. Fast forward to the banking crisis, BNP support grew, but not quite as much as UKIP, who are more accurately Populist Right, as opposed to Hard Right. They drew on successes of similar parties in Scandinavia, countries which have a big welfare state, using a tactic lnown as welfare chauvinism: certain groups of people are identified as a drain on the economy... people wanting an explanation for a drop in their standard of living, stagnating wages, rising costs see the correlation between that and immigration or welfare spending, and their attention can be drawn away from employers squeezing their rights... Making workers shoulder the burden of risk (which is meant to be one of the reasons why they deserve more money than everyone else, because they take the important "business decisions") through zero hours contracts, all obsessed about their taxes, but never about the profits that their bosses make out of them. Some people did enormously well out of this recession.

And then you get a PM who then addresses a lifelong Labour supporter, who's worried about the rivalry, and increased competition from foreign workers, and the effect it has on her family, who oa dismissed as a "bigoted woman". Not even sure that GB wasn't trying to loae that election on purpose... compare his lacklustre approach in that campaign to his animated, enthusiastic defence of the Union in 2014.

We are witnessing the death of liberal hegemony, which has been around really since the end of ww2, and has hitherto managed to adapt to public mood, and certainly since the end of the Cold War, has managed to convince the working class to be self-hating, and believe that their own predicament was down to not working hard enough. But whilst the sticking plasters of liberal multiculturalism and political correctness, which were only lip service to equality have peeled away quite easily, the people who this regime supposedly served have now become targets for vitriol, rather than the liberal do-gooders who devised it.

Liberals have tried to cling onto their position, citing sme kind of mystical centre ground as being what gets you elected. Michael Gove was right (not a phrase you'll hear me ue vwry often) to hghlight te cynicism people have over "experts"... who are bascally people in ivory towers who know all the theory, and try to make the world fit the theory.......

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"The problem is that when people put in place the controls that you are thinking of to fix the economy ie Labours ideas/controls, then the poor do end up bearing the cost and more poor are created. When was the last time that Labour left power with fewer unemployed than when they gained power?

Funny that...

I knew you were really quite an ignorant ultra right wing blowhard but proving it has been a little difficult till now...

The particular policy I described was called the 'Threshold Agreement' and was implemented by a CONSERVATIVE government led by Edward (Ted) Heath! "

Trust me, saying the words "Ted Heath" to a Conservative right wingerbis even more of a red rag to them than saying "Tony Blair" to a Momentum Corbynista.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Experts tell us that we will be better of staying in the EU". Who is WE exactly? The British economy, they mean, which you'd expect to translate into better living/working conditions. So, people are fed up of being talked down to by academics. This is all part of liberal hegemony. Politics starts to polarise.

The right certainly has had the upper hand, before our GE. Brexit was mostly about immigration and the panic surrounding Syrian refugees, people like Katie Hopkins chipping their oar in. FTR, I voted remain, not out of any love for the EU, but because I worried for an amplification of anti-immigrant sentiment, what would happen to EU nationals who I knew, and because I expected a Tory government to use it as a pretext for destroying protections for workers mandated by EU legislation. But Britain voted leave, which has to be respected, Trump got elected against neoliberal "expert" Clinton... which took everyone by surprise.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Trust me, saying the words "Ted Heath" to a Conservative right wingerbis even more of a red rag to them than saying "Tony Blair" to a Momentum Corbynista."

But however much Thatcher hated Heath, she kept quiet about his antics on Yacht, which I'm absolutely certain she knew about.

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin


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Child poverty my arse"

More and more Im impressed with the breadth of your knowledge, your incredible insight and now your empathy for 4 year old children going hungry.

Terrible when facts get in the way of your opinions isnt it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So WTF does anything I say have to do with the OP? Sorry, I don't like the whole TL;DR culture of modern internetting, I think it's part of tue reason we're in current predicament. A desire for soundbites, simple explanations, that can easily solve all pur problems.

I think that right wing presence on the internet has been growing, and where fash used to be grossly incompetent at internetting (like 10 years ago, far right websites were stuck in the 20th cebtury) they've benefitted enormously from their fusion with the Mens Rights' movement which has mostly grown up on the internet, and seems to be a reaction to men finding it increasingly difficult to find female partners, in the face of a third-wave feminism which encompasses eveeything from valid criticisms about how men treat women, to completely ad hominem attacks on men, citing them as the enemy. So you have a lot of men who feel alienated, who have a very sexualised view of women, and this site seems to want to cater for them. I've been in the chatrooms on here a lot, and there are a disproportionate amount of directing rooms. There are some women who get off on exhibitionism, which there is nothing wrong with, but for every one of them, there seems to be about five women who kust want to be on cam and chat, and the whole directing thing feeds a sense of entitlement, that if you tell a woman to do something, then she shpuld naturally obliged. There is zero policing of fake profiles.

As a tranny, I don't feel exactly comfortable at being grouped together with cross-dressers, not because I have anything against cross-dressers, but because I get a bit fed up of my gender being seen as a paraphilia, and people trying to engage me in conversation on that basis. They hold the assumption that straight men like vaginas, gay men lime cocks, which doean't match my experience at all. I feel like that there arw far more men on here that would fuck a tranny tham would ever let on, which makes me feel mega uncomfortable...because,well just look up "trans panic" and you'll lnow what I mean. Trabsphobia is a big part of the alt-right.

But I also see quite a lot of islamophobia and racism from gay men. And I kind of understand that, because liberal call-out culture is guilty of apologism for bigoted attitudes amongst PoC. Because it focuses on the identity of people, rather than the content of what they're saying. My frustration was with a post (previous account) where I felt like I was beong talked down to about the causes of transphobia (the person I was talking to was very assured that this was due to an influx of immigration) whilst at the same time being misgendered left right and centre. Now... The formulation "misgendering is violence" ma be a bit extreme, but there is definitely a relationship bwtween saying "transwomen are men" and actual physical viplence that is directed against us. And the suggestion that the extreme doctrine of Daesh can somehow be bound by national borders, when they, and al Quaeda have mastered the art of internet propaganda in a way that no recognised state has ever managed, is naive. It puts us all at the mercy of governments, who think that they can treat those within its territory however they see fit (something the UN and Geneva conventions were invented to counter). LGBT countries are treated like shit in whatever country not becuase the predominant ethncity or religion in that country makes them more predisposed to think that way but because THEIR GOVERNMENTS HAVE TOO MUCH POWER. In most cases the people didn't get to vote for it. When I see comments about how LGBT have better rights than in x country, I see that as tge pretext for a race to the bottom.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So, Corbyn is a breath of fresh air, he calls out shoddy, lazy journalism, he won't let the right dictate the terms of engagement, and he's defied everyone whp said the road to government was being more liberal, and the beat thing about this election has been seeing all the Blairites, the Brownites and tue Owen Joneses eating humble pie.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Child poverty my arse"

In my day, children knew what was good for them, and went sweeping chimneys if they were hungry.

Nowadays, nobody's got any chimneys cos of this whole global warming conspiracy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As per usual, I killed the thread with my longwindedness. I'm a bit d*unk. Sorry folks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Child poverty my arse

More and more Im impressed with the breadth of your knowledge, your incredible insight and now your empathy for 4 year old children going hungry.

Terrible when facts get in the way of your opinions isnt it?"

Thank you, but I'm not impressed with yours. Child poverty on the whole has remained stagnant since the end of the 70's. There have been different ways of classifying child poverty over the years but I think the one they use now is if a child lives in a household with less than half median income. Now how many more single parent households are there these days compared with in the past? This is bound to affect the numbers isn't it? Is this the fault of the Tories? Or society as a whole? Or maybe it has something to do with a Labour benefits system which penalises couples for living together?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


" More lefties on here I reckon

Certainly are from what i've seen

Define a leftie please?

Would someone who says that controls are needed to fix the economy but the poor should not have to bare the cost be a leftie?

The problem is that when people put in place the controls that you are thinking of to fix the economy ie Labours ideas/controls, then the poor do end up bearing the cost and more poor are created. When was the last time that Labour left power with fewer unemployed than when they gained power?

Childhood poverty increased every year since Thatcher took power until Blair took over. Childhood poverty decreased every year under Labour and then started rising again under the Tories once they took back power.

Your hollow ideas that left wing policies are bad for the poor are devoid of fact and evidence."

I've been trying to find some independent stats to either support or repudiate this statement. Can you provide any?

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin


"

Child poverty my arse

More and more Im impressed with the breadth of your knowledge, your incredible insight and now your empathy for 4 year old children going hungry.

Terrible when facts get in the way of your opinions isnt it?

Thank you, but I'm not impressed with yours. Child poverty on the whole has remained stagnant since the end of the 70's. There have been different ways of classifying child poverty over the years but I think the one they use now is if a child lives in a household with less than half median income. Now how many more single parent households are there these days compared with in the past? This is bound to affect the numbers isn't it? Is this the fault of the Tories? Or society as a whole? Or maybe it has something to do with a Labour benefits system which penalises couples for living together?"

https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/6738

Theres a brief article on the effects of Labours policies on different groups in poverty. I know you may be allergic to facts and probably wont read it but just go wild for once and see if the facts back up or contradict your statement.

Cracken the link above shows the decline in child poverty under labour, its well known that since 2010 child poverty has increased and this link

https://www.ifs.org.uk/fs/articles/0004a.pdf

provides the numbers from the 70s to the mid 90s, sorry its not all in one link but I couldnt find the same report that had it all in one place.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"

Child poverty my arse

More and more Im impressed with the breadth of your knowledge, your incredible insight and now your empathy for 4 year old children going hungry.

Terrible when facts get in the way of your opinions isnt it?

Thank you, but I'm not impressed with yours. Child poverty on the whole has remained stagnant since the end of the 70's. There have been different ways of classifying child poverty over the years but I think the one they use now is if a child lives in a household with less than half median income. Now how many more single parent households are there these days compared with in the past? This is bound to affect the numbers isn't it? Is this the fault of the Tories? Or society as a whole? Or maybe it has something to do with a Labour benefits system which penalises couples for living together?

https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/6738

Theres a brief article on the effects of Labours policies on different groups in poverty. I know you may be allergic to facts and probably wont read it but just go wild for once and see if the facts back up or contradict your statement.

Cracken the link above shows the decline in child poverty under labour, its well known that since 2010 child poverty has increased and this link

https://www.ifs.org.uk/fs/articles/0004a.pdf

provides the numbers from the 70s to the mid 90s, sorry its not all in one link but I couldnt find the same report that had it all in one place."

I think it's important that we have figures post 2010 to draw any meaningful conclusion. The generally excepted rule for poverty (which is a relative rule so a little problematic) is less than 60% of average household income. Child poverty is normally considered to be a child living in one of those families.

I raise this because poverty, as measured above, actually fell between 2010 and 2014, which would suggest, although not actually necessarily mean, that child poverty may have fallen over the same period to.

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin


"

Child poverty my arse

More and more Im impressed with the breadth of your knowledge, your incredible insight and now your empathy for 4 year old children going hungry.

Terrible when facts get in the way of your opinions isnt it?

Thank you, but I'm not impressed with yours. Child poverty on the whole has remained stagnant since the end of the 70's. There have been different ways of classifying child poverty over the years but I think the one they use now is if a child lives in a household with less than half median income. Now how many more single parent households are there these days compared with in the past? This is bound to affect the numbers isn't it? Is this the fault of the Tories? Or society as a whole? Or maybe it has something to do with a Labour benefits system which penalises couples for living together?

https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/6738

Theres a brief article on the effects of Labours policies on different groups in poverty. I know you may be allergic to facts and probably wont read it but just go wild for once and see if the facts back up or contradict your statement.

Cracken the link above shows the decline in child poverty under labour, its well known that since 2010 child poverty has increased and this link

https://www.ifs.org.uk/fs/articles/0004a.pdf

provides the numbers from the 70s to the mid 90s, sorry its not all in one link but I couldnt find the same report that had it all in one place.

I think it's important that we have figures post 2010 to draw any meaningful conclusion. The generally excepted rule for poverty (which is a relative rule so a little problematic) is less than 60% of average household income. Child poverty is normally considered to be a child living in one of those families.

I raise this because poverty, as measured above, actually fell between 2010 and 2014, which would suggest, although not actually necessarily mean, that child poverty may have fallen over the same period to."

Child poverty has increased since the conservatives took power in 2010 as the following shows. Its worth highlighting that the recession didnt raise child poverty levels, 2 years after the crisis child poverty levels were still decreasing but once the conservatives took over it shoots back up.

http://www.jrf.org.uk/data/child-poverty-rate-over-time

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/child-poverty-increases-low-income-families-tory-cuts-conservative-government-austerity-a7340466.html

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(16)31416-7/fulltext

Child poverty doesnt just remain at a high level under the conservatives, it gets progressively worse the longer theyre in power over a space of nearly 4 decades. The only consistent drop came when Labour were in power.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes


"

Child poverty my arse

More and more Im impressed with the breadth of your knowledge, your incredible insight and now your empathy for 4 year old children going hungry.

Terrible when facts get in the way of your opinions isnt it?

Thank you, but I'm not impressed with yours. Child poverty on the whole has remained stagnant since the end of the 70's. There have been different ways of classifying child poverty over the years but I think the one they use now is if a child lives in a household with less than half median income. Now how many more single parent households are there these days compared with in the past? This is bound to affect the numbers isn't it? Is this the fault of the Tories? Or society as a whole? Or maybe it has something to do with a Labour benefits system which penalises couples for living together?

https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/6738

Theres a brief article on the effects of Labours policies on different groups in poverty. I know you may be allergic to facts and probably wont read it but just go wild for once and see if the facts back up or contradict your statement.

Cracken the link above shows the decline in child poverty under labour, its well known that since 2010 child poverty has increased and this link

https://www.ifs.org.uk/fs/articles/0004a.pdf

provides the numbers from the 70s to the mid 90s, sorry its not all in one link but I couldnt find the same report that had it all in one place.

I think it's important that we have figures post 2010 to draw any meaningful conclusion. The generally excepted rule for poverty (which is a relative rule so a little problematic) is less than 60% of average household income. Child poverty is normally considered to be a child living in one of those families.

I raise this because poverty, as measured above, actually fell between 2010 and 2014, which would suggest, although not actually necessarily mean, that child poverty may have fallen over the same period to.

Child poverty has increased since the conservatives took power in 2010 as the following shows. Its worth highlighting that the recession didnt raise child poverty levels, 2 years after the crisis child poverty levels were still decreasing but once the conservatives took over it shoots back up.

http://www.jrf.org.uk/data/child-poverty-rate-over-time

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/child-poverty-increases-low-income-families-tory-cuts-conservative-government-austerity-a7340466.html

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(16)31416-7/fulltext

Child poverty doesnt just remain at a high level under the conservatives, it gets progressively worse the longer theyre in power over a space of nearly 4 decades. The only consistent drop came when Labour were in power."

I think it's important that we keep party politics, as much as possible, away from this discussion because, looking at the data shown in the link you provided, It's clearly not which party is in power that decides or causes child poverty but what they actually do.

Using this link:-

http://www.jrf.org.uk/data/child-poverty-rate-over-time

It clearly shows that child poverty fell significantly from 1997 to 2005, rose slightly from 2005 to 2008, fell dramatically from 2008 to 2014 and rose back again (to about the 2010 amount) from 2014 to 2016.

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin


"

Child poverty my arse

More and more Im impressed with the breadth of your knowledge, your incredible insight and now your empathy for 4 year old children going hungry.

Terrible when facts get in the way of your opinions isnt it?

Thank you, but I'm not impressed with yours. Child poverty on the whole has remained stagnant since the end of the 70's. There have been different ways of classifying child poverty over the years but I think the one they use now is if a child lives in a household with less than half median income. Now how many more single parent households are there these days compared with in the past? This is bound to affect the numbers isn't it? Is this the fault of the Tories? Or society as a whole? Or maybe it has something to do with a Labour benefits system which penalises couples for living together?

https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/6738

Theres a brief article on the effects of Labours policies on different groups in poverty. I know you may be allergic to facts and probably wont read it but just go wild for once and see if the facts back up or contradict your statement.

Cracken the link above shows the decline in child poverty under labour, its well known that since 2010 child poverty has increased and this link

https://www.ifs.org.uk/fs/articles/0004a.pdf

provides the numbers from the 70s to the mid 90s, sorry its not all in one link but I couldnt find the same report that had it all in one place.

I think it's important that we have figures post 2010 to draw any meaningful conclusion. The generally excepted rule for poverty (which is a relative rule so a little problematic) is less than 60% of average household income. Child poverty is normally considered to be a child living in one of those families.

I raise this because poverty, as measured above, actually fell between 2010 and 2014, which would suggest, although not actually necessarily mean, that child poverty may have fallen over the same period to.

Child poverty has increased since the conservatives took power in 2010 as the following shows. Its worth highlighting that the recession didnt raise child poverty levels, 2 years after the crisis child poverty levels were still decreasing but once the conservatives took over it shoots back up.

http://www.jrf.org.uk/data/child-poverty-rate-over-time

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/child-poverty-increases-low-income-families-tory-cuts-conservative-government-austerity-a7340466.html

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(16)31416-7/fulltext

Child poverty doesnt just remain at a high level under the conservatives, it gets progressively worse the longer theyre in power over a space of nearly 4 decades. The only consistent drop came when Labour were in power.

I think it's important that we keep party politics, as much as possible, away from this discussion because, looking at the data shown in the link you provided, It's clearly not which party is in power that decides or causes child poverty but what they actually do.

Using this link:-

http://www.jrf.org.uk/data/child-poverty-rate-over-time

It clearly shows that child poverty fell significantly from 1997 to 2005, rose slightly from 2005 to 2008, fell dramatically from 2008 to 2014 and rose back again (to about the 2010 amount) from 2014 to 2016.

"

Yes it would be nice to keep party politics out but an integral part of each party (or each side of the left/right divide if you prefer) is their attitude towards the social safety net.

The tories have always been about cutting benefits to fund tax breaks for the wealthy in an effort to stimulate the mythical trickle down theory. Thats true of most right wing parties that arent centre-right.

Labour and left wing parties have always been about a strong, robust safety net in an effort to break the cycle of poverty that can trap people and stimulate the economy through boosting consumer confidence and consumer spending.

When youre talking about something so fundamental to both sides its impossible to seperate party from their actions. While the poverty rate rose very slightly from 05-08 it wasnt significant and it was part of an overall dramatic decrease. And it cant be argued that under Tory leadership (for over 4 decades!!) child poverty increases because of their agenda. This isnt a leader that caused this or a particular piece of legislation this is about their agenda as a party.

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