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By *obka3 OP Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

Why did the green party lose a lot of votes in the election, looking through the results for my area they seem to have lost between 2 and 3% in every constituency, both the tory and labour party increased their share

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

Because the country has very deep divisions and people voted about the issues that transcended the relevance of Green Party issues.

Once the country gets back into being a normal, liberal minded and cohesive society - green issues will once again become important - to some.

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

My guess would be that in previous elections the two main parties have been offering pretty much the same, and hard to really make a choice, so a lot of people might have decided to not bother and vote for Green instead as they liked their ideals.

This year the two main parties offered very different things, and so I'm guessing that made more people chose to support one of them (either because they liked that main party, or wanted to tactically stop the other getting in).

Bristol West last year was Labour majority with 23,000 votes with Green close behind with 17,000. Cons were 4th with 9,700. So this year I think Green launched their campaign there with a view to get their 2nd MP.

But instead, due to the amazing campaign Labour ran, Labour got 47,000 votes. Cons at 9,800 and Green 9,200. So it looks like the Tories all voted the same as last time, but many of the Greens voted for Labour this time.

-Matt

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By *obka3 OP Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

-Matt"

So they liked the left wing slant

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why did the green party lose a lot of votes in the election, looking through the results for my area they seem to have lost between 2 and 3% in every constituency, both the tory and labour party increased their share"
I think the greens went back to labour in the same way ukip votes went back to the tories !

This is why we should have P R so every vote counts and you don't have to vote tactically !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bloody hell change the record

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Greens im guessing went labour in an attempt to bring about change.Not me though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Green voters would have gone to labour. Or lib dems if they were the best opposition in the area to the tories

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By *obka3 OP Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

So voters vote tactically to try and defeat a party they dont like rather than vote for the party they do like and people say politicians are cynical and turncoats

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

"So voters vote tactically to try and defeat a party they dont like rather than vote for the party they do like and people say politicians are cynical and turncoats

Well, if the AV referendum had passed then we wouldn't need to. Remember the Tories really didn't want it to pass as it was a threat to their nice cosy system. Did the Tories manage to get their Gerrymandering through last year in the end? As we still have 650 seats I guess not.

-Matt

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By *ELLONS AND CREAMWoman
over a year ago

stourbridge area

Ive got a headache ....

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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago

Barbados

"Ive got a headache ....

Damn. So I guess a shag is out of the question then

-Matt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Bloody hell change the record

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No

I can't I believe in it

Sorry

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So voters vote tactically to try and defeat a party they dont like rather than vote for the party they do like and people say politicians are cynical and turncoats

-Matt"
A V is Bollocks tho !

10 per cent of votes should equal ten per cent of power !

Simples

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

The Greens offer alternatives to the mainstream two but they aren't always very practical.

The binary vote of the EU referendum did translate itself into this GE in a lot of places.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I believe that during the 1990s until 2015 the size of the Green vote was more than those whose main concern was overwhelmingly the environment but also a considerable number wanting to vote for socialism, but with there being a dearth of socialism in any Labour manifesto for over 30 years they felt no political home there. Many genuine left wingers couldn't bring themselves to vote for New Labour.

The massive drop in the Green vote is at least in part to the genuinely progressive, and in some parts, genuinely socialist programme that Corbyn and Labour put forward this year. I know many Greens who came to Labour over the past year or two.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not that I know much about the green party but...the green party like every other party have been lying to you, their lying just came later than the others, they used to be honest but then they realised (like all the rest) you ain't gonna vote for an honest party.

So now they lie, but the lie is no different than what Corbyn says with his lies!, and he's a bigger party so who you gonna vote for?.

I don't blame the political parties anymore, the voters like them to lie to them because they can't handle the truth

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Neither labour or conservatives will do anything practical to prevent global warming.The greens are just bell ringers for the comming disaster.

The planets on the edge of catastrophe and all we care about is brexit social care and money.We deserve to die.The sooner the better

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Neither labour or conservatives will do anything practical to prevent global warming.The greens are just bell ringers for the comming disaster.

The planets on the edge of catastrophe and all we care about is brexit social care and money.We deserve to die.The sooner the better"

have you been reading the nihilist memes page on facebook again?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Neither labour or conservatives will do anything practical to prevent global warming.The greens are just bell ringers for the comming disaster.

The planets on the edge of catastrophe and all we care about is brexit social care and money.We deserve to die.The sooner the better

have you been reading the nihilist memes page on facebook again? "

its who i am

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I dunno if the green party could find maybe a few scientific studies that said reducing c02 by say 30% in the next 30 could save us from the worst of it?...

No let's actually look at what Paris said!.

No more than 2 degree rise (but preferably 1.5) this to be achieved by what the science says?????.

Now let's see what the science says.

85% c02 cut by 2035(that's 18 years not 30) to achieve the 2 degree limit (not the preferable 1.5 degrees).

Even the so called 2 degree rise is political bollocks, this was actually decided by funnily enough Economists not scientists.

Does anybody tell you what the science says... Don't go above 1 degree (yeah well that's come and gone).

Anyhow an 85% cut in c02 is impossible without radically and I mean radically and completely tearing down everything and starting again.

Yeah like I say write the manifesto for that and try to get somebody to vote for you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Only two years ago there was die hard Tories on here who said they could never vote anything but Tory?.

Today there not voting Tory.

The paradigm shift occurred that they NEVER thought possible!...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm hoping the melting permafrost holds a few nasty viruses that are about to be released and nature herself and will solve the over population problem.Nature usually finds a way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm hoping the melting permafrost holds a few nasty viruses that are about to be released and nature herself and will solve the over population problem.Nature usually finds a way."
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Actually there was a few studies done into deindustrialization and depopulation sadly theres no hope there either.

Turns out the sulphate particulates created by civilisation actually give us an added lowing effect of temperature, (were like a volcanoe going off every week).

All this could have been effective 40 ,30 even 20 years ago but sadly we all rate cheap holidays and driving a new car higher as were as a species only really bothered about the near future!... Life is far more fragile than western civilisation let's us believe.

Writing a manifesto for your demise is never easy.. Far better to just fib like the rest of them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If the population was brought down to 500,000 or less the planet could be reforested and buy us more time to either get some of our species off the planet before it ends up like venus or come up with technological solutions to solve the problem.I think i might invest in a deep hole..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why did the green party lose a lot of votes in the election, looking through the results for my area they seem to have lost between 2 and 3% in every constituency, both the tory and labour party increased their share"
because without P R apart from Carroline Lucas , people know it won't count , the same with UKIP !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If the population was brought down to 500,000 or less the planet could be reforested and buy us more time to either get some of our species off the planet before it ends up like venus or come up with technological solutions to solve the problem.I think i might invest in a deep hole..

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It will reforest itself within five years of us going, the extra c02 will be very helpful for some species of fern and algae, alas 92% of plant life just like humans will go the way of the dinosaurs, practically no large life adapts to abrupt climate change as has been proven for hundreds of millions of years of past history!

I don't say this with glee, people often make that mistake, I've got nieces and nephews and children and cousins that I don't wish to see harm come to them, but wishing is different than reality based upon evidence.

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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in my area they got over 3 times as many votes as last. and yes i voted for them again.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Why did the green party lose a lot of votes in the election, looking through the results for my area they seem to have lost between 2 and 3% in every constituency, both the tory and labour party increased their share because without P R apart from Carroline Lucas , people know it won't count , the same with UKIP !"

It could be because they have bonkers policies like the period policy. The greens had it in their manifesto to provide free sanitary towels to women to be paid for by taxing all aircraft repairs and taxing the sale of new airships more. Completely bonkers you'd expect this kind of stuff in the Monster raving loony party manifesto.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The Greens offer alternatives to the mainstream two but they aren't always very practical.

The binary vote of the EU referendum did translate itself into this GE in a lot of places."

How does that work. Both main parties he'd leaving the single market, leaving the customs union and controlling immigration (see page 29 of the labour manifesto). If your theory was correct then UKIP would have won in many areas and Lib Dems in the rest!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So voters vote tactically to try and defeat a party they dont like rather than vote for the party they do like and people say politicians are cynical and turncoats

-Matt A V is Bollocks tho !

10 per cent of votes should equal ten per cent of power !

Simples

So in 2015 we would have had a Tory/UKIP coalition (as they had 52% of the total votes between them) That would equate to 338 seats to 312 between the rest. So a hard brexit, no arguments and no election this year......I assume you would have been fine with that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Despite being a fringe party supporter I've never been in favour of AV system for the exact reason that I fear some and support some, all things being equal good fringe parties should become mainstream enough to get seats if they don't it's because people don't really want them

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By *wingtolifeCouple
over a year ago

who knows

i dont know which is the best method, boundaries are redrawn to suit election voters, affordable houses not built so people wont vote labour, i think the demographics are changing alot amd normally those on power want to retain power so they keep changing legisltion to suit their gains.

av voting works for some not for others.

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By *andACouple
over a year ago

glasgow

The Greens chose to make themselves irrelevent in Scotland in this election. They've been accused of being the SNP's puppets and this was basically confirmed when they stood only 3 candidates as they didn't want to take votes away from the SNP. They had 32 candidates in 2015.

I always think of the Greens as being an internationalist movement but in Scotland they've nationalist, which seems bizarre.

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By *andACouple
over a year ago

glasgow

"The Greens chose to make themselves irrelevent in Scotland in this election. They've been accused of being the SNP's puppets and this was basically confirmed when they stood only 3 candidates as they didn't want to take votes away from the SNP. They had 32 candidates in 2015.

I always think of the Greens as being an internationalist movement but in Scotland they've nationalist, which seems bizarre."

To add to the above, a quick analysis shows the SNP would've lost a further 6 seats if they Greens had stood.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

I always think of the Greens as being an internationalist movement but in Scotland they've nationalist, which seems bizarre.

To add to the above, a quick analysis shows the SNP would've lost a further 6 seats if they Greens had stood."

Was the same in England, they didn't stand in a number of seats to help either Labour or the Lib dems.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Whilst our planet should be our top priority, for the benefit of all life upon it, we're sadly not predisposed to want to focus on longer term changes that are painful now, especially when there's a toxic explosion about to get reelected.

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